The Culture War #78 Is Trump Winning Over Black Voters Or Will It Be Kamala Harris w/ Ja'Mal Green & Xaviaer DuRosseau
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Tim Pool
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Ja'Mal Green @JaymalGreen (X)
Xaviaer DuRousseau @XAVIAERD (X)
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So last night, Kamala Harris gave her speech, and it's pure tribalism.
You know, you get Jonathan Chaid over at, I think it's New York Mag, saying, this is the greatest speech I have ever heard!
And, you know, we watched it last night, fairly unenthused.
You know, she was wishy-washy.
The big deal, of course, was Israel.
Seemed like she was going to defend Israel, but then she defends Palestine, Gaza as well.
And it's like, okay, you know, she's just, it's vanilla yogurt, I guess.
I don't think it was all that great.
The question is, how is this going to impact the voters?
Is she going to see it go up?
Are her polls going to go up?
Are they going to go down?
I don't know, but the other question too is, one of the big, I suppose, political attack vectors was Donald Trump, of course, said that she was she was running this line, that she was Asian, South Asian for a long time.
Then all of a sudden, one day she was the first black candidate.
And then the media attacked J.D.
Vance and Trump saying, oh, how dare you say she's not black?
And so that became some kind of weird talking point.
But there's a real question as to whether or not Trump is winning over black voters.
So we've brought in some black political commentators.
Not that I honestly think it matters, but, you know, we're here to see what you guys think and see if it's true or not.
Would you like to introduce yourself first, Jamal?
unidentified
Sure.
Jamal Green from the city of Chicago, former mayoral candidate.
I'm Xavier DeRusso, a personality over at PragerU, and frequent contributor on Fox News, Newsmax, and Piers Morgan, and from Chicago, but live in Los Angeles.
And that was the best thing, because for the past 10 minutes, we were just all laughing together about being from Chicago, and how the Chicago Tavern pizza is the best, nothing else matters, nobody knows what Giardiniera is, we have the best pizza, the best hot dogs, everybody else is wrong.
They were, because the DNC is in Chicago, it's actually kind of funny, because Fox and Friends, they were eating hot dogs, and they were like, so this is a Chicago hot dog, and I'm like, what is that?
Is it relish and celery salt and all that good stuff?
So anyway, Chicago's fun, but what do you guys think?
Kamala's speech, yay, nay?
unidentified
I think that, I'll be honest, I fell asleep during Kamala's speech.
I'll be honest maybe I was tired maybe it was a speech I don't know but I think that I don't see it really moving the needle how it should have especially when you you just talked about the conflict with Palestine and Israel I mean I think You had the Palestinians outside where they were uncommitted because they wanted Kamala to say that she was for ceasefire and she was for a weapons embargo.
And then you have folks on the other side.
So I think she was trying to cut the middle.
And that's not going to help her, right?
Because both sides still feel like she's not doing enough.
And, you know, Palestinians are saying we wanted a weapons embargo, but she on stage said, we're going to make sure they have anything that they need.
And so I think that I saw a lot of folks crying, a lot of folks in the Palestinian movement on Twitter saying that they'll never vote.
And it really depressed them.
Um, and I don't think it was a super powerful speech.
Um, and I thought that, um, them faking like Beyonce was coming.
I think, I think, um, you know, to get everybody to watch and not get Beyonce, man, you know, that could have hurt them too.
Even outside of what you think about her speech, the fact that they had to pull a stunt like that says even they don't think she's gonna have a big impact with her speech, and they were concerned people were gonna drop off.
But the funny thing about the Israel-Palestine stuff, I think the reason she says both, she's like, the Palestinians are dying and we gotta save these lives or whatever, it's because the clips.
They want someone to just pull a one minute clip, share it to all the pro-Israel people, one minute clip, pro-Gaza people, and then talking out both sides of their mouth.
I mean, that was the whole approach to her speech.
She was playing it very safe and trying to tiptoe in the water so she doesn't piss anybody off.
Because right now, like, that could have been her moment to have this iconic speech that's really just a cornerstone moment of her entire career.
But she didn't come out and say anything groundbreaking.
She still really hasn't talked about policy.
All she did was go out there and try to have this feel-good approach where it's everybody talking about joy.
You see every single Like news station now is just saying how much joy they have because of Kamala Harris and it's like still that feel-good statement But it's like joy isn't going to build us a border joy isn't going to end the wars that are overseas It's like there's nothing that's actually substantial coming out of this Kamala Harris speech But as far as like how I think it went overall if I was someone who didn't pay attention to politics I would have thought it was decent.
I mean, she's a decent speaker when she has a teleprompter in front of her Otherwise she goes into her word salad moments, but when she has a teleprompter like she tells a story like I was in there not I'm like, wow, your mom's a powerful woman.
Um, I did not I did not so neither are black We black But, you know, I'm independent, right?
And so, you know, my family has always voted for Democrats and everyone around me.
And I became independent.
I actually was a surrogate for Bernie Sanders when he first ran for president, right?
So I was far left.
Uh, on a lot of different, different things at the time, but also still as a business owner, still, you know, conservative in that way.
But, uh, I like Bernie because he actually stood on what he was talking about, right?
Like he wasn't scared to say, Hey, uh, I'm going to make it to where, uh, um, medicine can be imported from Canada, you know, and, and mess up big pharma.
I'm going to, he was very intentional about what he said and, and, and he stood on it and he never backed away from it.
Is that 16 or 20?
I never seen a politician do that, which is the reason why I support him at that time. - Was that 16 or 20? - Both.
Both.
And I think that then after that, he kind of sold out to Biden.
And that's a different story.
- Yeah, I agree. - But he stood on what he was saying.
And that's what we want to see from Kamala, right?
Is come out here and actually stand on something.
And four years ago, you were saying that you were for Medicare for All, you're for Green New Deal, you're for a lot of these different things, but we can't even debate you on policy because you won't stand on any.
And I think what she's doing, I'm going to tell you the truth.
I've studied Obama for many years, especially because, you know, I ran for mayor of Chicago and been in politics.
So, you know, that was Obama's speechwriters yesterday.
Obama's speechwriters wrote her speech.
She never had spoken like that and really tied into her family stories like that before in length and tying it into hope and change.
That was an Obama speech, which, remember, she went and got his crew to help her.
And that's what this is about, is trying to run an Obama-like campaign.
The difference is, is that people are not looking for symbolism as much as they was then, and they saw that that change didn't come after Obama, so now, is it gonna work?
I mean, I feel like people don't clock it enough, but Kamala Harris has social anxiety.
Like, if you watch her mannerisms, if you look at the way she busts out laughing for no reason, like, that is her coping with social anxiety.
And if you look at, like, you've seen, I'm sure, her wild numbers when it comes to her staff turnover.
If you look at the stories that a lot of her former staff have said, it's how she is so insecure about her own capabilities, and how she's constantly in a panic, and if there was a big event, or if there was a room she had to walk into with a lot of powerful people, she would make them rehearse, like, okay, you pretend to be this prominent person, and I'm gonna walk in and talk to you, and then they would do it over and over again, and she would freak out.
Kamala Harris doesn't even want to be in this position.
And honestly, I feel like if it wasn't for Barack Obama's influence and the fact that he would really be the president if she were to get elected, I don't even think Kamala would be running right now.
She doesn't want that position.
She just wants the title of that position and to allow Obama to do the work.
Is it then, do you think that she doesn't want to be in this position, but Biden comes to her and says, we need a woman of color for the diversity point, so be my VP.
unidentified
I don't think this was Biden's.
None of this was about Biden.
I think Biden wanted to stay in this position.
Biden's ego and his family's ego, they didn't want to give up this power.
The problem with Kamala Harris being black and people talking about this is that she never was shooting with us in the gym, right?
And I think that's the biggest problem.
If you ask folks in the communities why Kamala isn't black, they'll say, well, she never really identified with us.
She came around us to act like I'm black and then when she ran for office it was I'm the first Indian American and first one of Asian descent when she was running for office.
So just because she went to a HBCU, Rachel Dolezal did too, the point is you can go to a HBCU or join a sorority.
But people look at how you identify and people look at what you have been doing with black people over the years.
And if you ain't been with us shooting in the gym, why you want to shoot it with us now?
It's just the way she selectively bounces back and forth with the races.
It's like, can you blame her though at the same time?
It's like, in a world where identity politics is so important, I can't blame her necessarily for picking and choosing what she's going to identify with which heritage, but is it annoying?
Is it weird?
It is, for sure.
unidentified
But I mean, why do we want to be... So the question is, are you black, right?
So then we've got to talk about what's the definition of black in America?
What is the definition of a black American?
And the reality is, is that she does not fit the definition of a black American.
A black American, where black was giving to Americans who were dropped over here,
uh... and and and and basically we had our ancestors were in slavery right so those that that lineage is the ones who got the black title uh... not jamaicans uh... not any other ethnic group because if you ask a jamaican they'll say hello i'm black i'm jamaican if you ask a haitian i'm black i'm haitian people that have pride in where they're from and so for her to say i'm black
It's a slap in the face to a lot of black Americans because black Americans who actually had descendants from slavery know that Kamala doesn't, and that was the title that was given to them when they were dropped over here.
Well, that's actually the line I've heard from a lot of people on the left about the white versus black thing, where you get this criticism from people Or white who say, how come you can't say white pride but you can say black, asian, latino, whatever?
And the left argues it's because you could say irish pride, you could say british, you could say italian, you have these countries, you have these ethnic backgrounds where you come from and you know your ancestry and you're proud of the culture of that country.
Black represents a group of people who are ripped from their ancestral culture.
So they don't actually know, necessarily, where they came from.
So they have that one unifier.
unidentified
Right, which is why they're emotional when people say that they're black because the struggle and the pain that actually comes with the fact that we were stripped from where we came from and we don't know where we're from.
You know, most black folks, what we can trace is down south.
That's the farthest we can trace, right?
We can't trace over to Africa and the tribe of Cherokee and we from Zimbabwe.
We can't trace that, right?
And that's why they created Ancestry and all these different things.
So we were giving the black title because we didn't know where we're from.
So that's why they're emotional about when people use it.
I mean, I consider myself fully black, but my dad's... No, no, I'm saying...
unidentified
Okay, but your mom's side, she's a descendant.
So you have the lineage, right?
Half of you, right?
And I think now it becomes on where do you identify?
Because if you identify as a Haitian man, Then you're not really with the culture in America.
You get what I'm saying?
So both of those things matter.
The lineage and how do you really identify?
Do you walk around and you operate as I'm Haitian or do you walk around like I'm a black man and you, you know, in a black community with your black friends, you know?
So I think that black people look at both of those things and I think what you've had is you've had celebrities.
Really shooting with us in the gym, that they like, oh, she black, you get what I'm saying?
Kind of giving her a black card, basically, or him a black card, rather than having a full lineage.
But I think it does get to the point, too, that Your identity is largely your community, and Kamala Harris isn't a part of that.
So the media, I think it's actually Democrats, everything is surface level, they don't get it.
And then when you actually look at a video like this, you understand that people are somewhat talking about skin color, like are you experiencing the same prejudices or whatever we might experience, but largely it's Do you have the same life experience in terms of where we come from, what we grew up with, and Kamala does not have that.
unidentified
And because that's important.
Why?
It's because we look at that because we know if you have, then you have more passion to actually do something about it when you have power.
So when you look at someone and you see that they haven't experienced the things that you've experienced, but they're out there saying, I'm black, You know, it's kind of a slap in the face to us because they won't have the passion to change the things that we've actually experienced in our community.
So that life experience, we look at that, right?
Because we know if you, somebody like, like Barack, right?
Barack was raised white.
Okay.
He wasn't raised in the hood and the streets and had the prejudice, you know, he didn't experience all the things that I've experienced in my life.
Right.
So his, his passion is a little bit different, um, and power or how he viewed things.
Um, and so that, that life experience, matters a lot. - See, I'm not gonna lie though, I do kinda hate that sentiment, where it's like you have to be from the struggle, you had to come from have a deadbeat dad, or be in the hood, or go through all these different struggles, or deal with racism your entire life in order to identify with your blackness.
Like I don't equate blackness with struggle, or with urban culture, or with-- - And I'm not either.
And I'm not saying you are, but it's like a lot of people do.
And it's like when I was watching, I think that video's called Odd One Out with Jubilee, and I remember watching that and it's like they're all thinking that he's black just because he's been through all these struggles.
There are so many white people who deal with those exact same struggles, but then it's like if these white people identified and said that they identify with black culture, then they're going to be ripped.
To shreds, basically.
So it's like, I don't think that we should equate blackness with all these different negative connotations if we want to elevate the community.
unidentified
Here's the difference.
The difference is, the piece that matters is the word that he just used, which is prejudice, right?
Like, if you are a black person raised in privilege, Or raised in a white family that, you know, you don't have to experience what it feels like to go in a bank and get denied, right?
That's the red line in your community.
Like you don't know what it feels like to really go into the community and get profiled by a police officer.
Because, you know, if you if you raise with a certain level of privilege, you are not going to be able to experience some of the things of just what being black feels like in certain spaces, too.
Right.
So it's not so much of the struggle in the hood.
But but what does it feels like feel like to be a black man in America, wherever you go, whether it be in finance, whether it be with the systems that play.
And if you have not experienced those things either, then it's hard for us to know that you'll go in and change those things.
Right.
Because if my white mama, you know, always can cosign or get me into certain places, you know, like, you can't experience that real experience of being a black man, you know?
But I wonder though, are you just talking socioeconomic privilege?
So if you're talking about just like being wealthy, I don't, again, like I don't think being wealthy and coming from a silver spoon means that you are any less black.
You just don't have that urban touch, I guess you could say, necessarily.
Which, again, I don't think is always a bad thing.
If we want to see more black people be prosperous and to come up and to...
We always talk about we want to close the racial wealth gap.
We want to see more black homeowners.
We want to see black people thriving.
I know you do.
Would you say that that makes them less black?
unidentified
I'm not saying that don't make you less black.
I'm not saying that makes you less black.
My kids are growing up privileged, right?
I did, right?
They have everything that I didn't have, right?
They're supposed to.
That's not what I'm saying, though.
What I'm saying is that when we are electing people in power, right?
And this is more about folks who are getting elected positions, right?
What black people look at is their experiences and how, if we can judge to see if they would actually be passionate about these problems when they get in office, right?
They don't.
If they come from a level of privilege, then how can we make sure that we're around them enough to move forward a plan that they'll adopt so that these decisions can be made?
Because what's happening is Kamala don't have policy, right?
So if Kamala doesn't have policy, then now we judging by if she black or not, you know?
Because it'd be different if it was Michelle Obama, for example, right?
Black folks, they wouldn't question her blackness because they know she from Cabrini-Green, right?
To be clear, I mean, you know, if it was Michelle Obama, black people wouldn't be sad.
Michelle Obama can win this race without saying a policy.
Why?
It's because black people would feel that she's black enough for them, that she's experienced the struggle enough that she would care about it when she get in office.
And so you had the media come out like, oh, look at that.
See, she's not black.
She doesn't even know.
She's not from here.
She grew up privileged.
And it's fascinating to me that the liberal corporate media piles on to this because she didn't know to say all the time, and that shows that she grew up privileged, but Kamala Harris, because she's aligned in their tribe, total past, she's always been black, media says it's fine, how dare you ask?
unidentified
Right, but that's the media we're talking about, right?
We're talking about the media that has given her vast majority good coverage, and vast majority bad coverage for Donald Trump.
So we know what's at play, and it's the power holders and the media that are trying to make sure that Trump, you know, don't get back in.
So, you know, folks will say that I say things that are right-leaning, and I say things that are left-leaning.
You know, I think that I think that as black people, we shouldn't be with any party.
We've been on a Democrat plantation for so long and being promised so many different things and having gotten anything that we should be right down the middle.
And I wish we had our own party because, you know, but that will require unification because neither party represents our interests like they represent other groups interests.
Chicago's only Democrat is Democrat for a hundred years.
And so I think you and I probably agree on a lot of things politically.
They call me milquetoast fence-sitter, kind of middle of the road.
But my view is I grew up in a city where Democrats have run everything and they've run it into the ground.
And there's never been an alternative.
And so it's not that I'm conservative.
I can just see like, hey, they keep doing the same thing over and over.
It doesn't work and we need something else.
unidentified
Yes.
No, you're exactly correct.
I mean, look at the reign of Mike Madigan for 51 years, 50 plus years, and Ed Burke for 50.
You know, Chicago, people don't understand, when you grow up in Chicago, you are growing up in the most corrupt state and city in the country.
Every year, they rate us the most corrupt.
People think that there's other cities that can match us.
There isn't.
And the amount of corruption that Chicago has with its politics, law firms, taxes, how all of the politicians tie all that in so that they can make millions of dollars off of our backs, is utterly insane.
And the power that they have to control all of politics in Illinois.
So, that we've seen that so many years, of course we're like, hey, we gotta get away from this, yeah.
And it's not... John Burge ain't the biggest one on this.
He's one of the biggest because he has a lot of cases.
There are a lot of other police officers just like John Burge who have, you know, used a home and square facility to torture people into confessions and We pay millions of dollars out still to this day of people who are just being exonerated and getting out of jail.
A lot of police officers back in the day, you know, they used to make people confess to crimes that they didn't commit and they'll sit in jail for 20 years and then now we got to pay them 20 million dollars.
One thing I think is particularly important for a lot of people in this country, particularly on the right to understand, is in Chicago, you guys obviously know about blockbusting and redlining.
It's illegal, but now it's a wink-wink and a nudge-nudge.
So for those that aren't familiar, blockbusting, holy And this still goes on today.
Let me tell you a story.
I was in New York.
This is 2014.
I'm hanging out with this woke Hispanic woman.
Super woke.
Her parents were immigrants.
She was born here.
And her dad succeeded, got wealthy.
He bought a garage in New York and he gave it to her.
It was entrusted to her or whatever.
I think it was worth half a million dollars.
And so she's talking about all this racist stuff in the country and we got to talking about blockbusting, which for those who aren't familiar, let me just tell you the story and then I'll help you understand.
And so I said, if a black family moved next door to your garage, would you sell?
And she went, oh yeah.
And I was like, yo, isn't that racist?
I was like, and she was like, yeah, but the property value will go down.
Then they'd knock on the doors and say, you see who just moved in?
You better sell now, otherwise it's too late.
They'd convince these families to sell at a discount.
Look, your house may be worth $100,000.
We'll buy it for $95,000 now.
If you wait, it's going to be $80,000 because black people are moving in.
They sell the properties.
Then the real estate companies evict the black family, own all the properties, and sell them all to white families at a premium for like $100,000, $110,000 to make a profit.
They made it illegal.
It still does happen, it's just a wink-wink and a nudge-nudge.
And that redlining, of course, that's named after Chicago's South Side, the redline, that real estate companies colluded to specifically make sure black people could only move into certain areas of the city.
The important thing to understand is that only legally ended in the 80s.
So that's when they officially like, hey, maybe it should be illegal for companies to do this to these people.
A lot of people grew up with, or if you're like a millennial, you grew up at the tail end of it, but still, your parents and the place you grew up was a product of these policies, and so you're naturally like, I don't trust this system, there have been bad things that have happened to my family, and only now are we starting to see the younger generations may have some kind of legal protection from it, but that means that your grandparents, your parents, are telling you this happened to us, and this is a bad thing.
My problem with the woke is then they come up with this insane segregationist policy where they're like, we're going to have two different library rooms where only black people and white people can go.
And I'm like, that's exactly what I'm pissed off about.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think, uh, I want you to Google, uh, Jamar Green, Chase Bank, ban from Chase Bank because this red lining is important.
Put in Chase Bank, Jamal Green.
And so I'm banned from every Chase Bank in America because I fought Chase Bank just a few years ago on their redlining.
They actually still, to this day, still redline folks.
So we fought Chase Bank, and we got them to give back a billion dollars to the city a few years ago, right?
And Chase Bank, you know, we got the numbers back from all of the banks that were lending to urban neighborhoods.
Chase were only lending to urban neighborhoods 1.9% of the time.
Remember, Chicago is the most segregated city, okay?
Wherever you go, if you see black people, it's a black neighborhood.
You see white people, it's white.
That's how it is.
There's not a lot of diverse neighborhoods in our city, okay?
And so Chase Bank, when you looked at the numbers on the south and west sides, they were only lending 1.9% of the time.
So even in neighborhoods like Chatham, which the median income folks actually are making some money, they were given a million dollars over six years and the same, a billion dollars to Lincoln Park in that same time period.
So you can see that they're giving away two or three loans in a prestigious black neighborhood where they were given hundreds of loans And so we fought them, we start shutting down branches, and what we start doing is we start going in every branch, Chase branch, putting everybody out, making them shut down a branch every single day and say, look, if y'all don't want to lend and if y'all want to redline urban neighborhoods, then you need to get these branches out of our communities.
And it's supposed to be illegal, but the CRA Act still allows them to have loopholes, still got loopholes for them to have where they are still doing this legally and there's no repercussions for it.
And then when you look at the city and you look at the politicians, Chase Bank's still sponsoring everything, but y'all are not holding them accountable for the fact that they aren't giving loans to black people in the city of Chicago.
I'm just wondering, because I didn't know about blockbusting, and then with the redlining, does that have anything to do with credit and income?
Is there a proportionality difference there?
unidentified
So here's the thing, when you're talking about a very small, I'll just say 1.9% of the time, right?
So for that to matter, that means that you would be saying that the majority of black people don't have good credit or don't have no job, which is incorrect, right?
I'm not saying the majority, but can't you say that it skews lower?
unidentified
No, no, what I'm saying is there are a lot of, think of our parents, right?
My mom been at the post office 35 years.
That generation all were given government jobs, they all had decent jobs, especially in Chicago where they were working for CTA, post office, things of that sort, right?
So a lot of them always had the income, they didn't have the education, and they had decent enough credit They didn't have the education.
So if credit matters, of course, but when you look at the numbers, there's no way they can justify hundreds of thousands of black Chicagoans and you're not giving 1% of them loans.
If it were that, there's a lot of areas of Chicago that are all black, and there's a lot of areas that are all Latino, because people do like to live near people that speak the same language, that experience the same things, that I get.
But if that were true, it would be more of a gradient.
You'd see someone being like, well I'd like to live near this neighborhood, the best house I could find is a couple blocks south, and then you'd see a mix of people of different backgrounds.
It's literally, you cross the street.
And it was notorious in our neighborhood, Police would stop you if you were not black and crossed over, and then they would accuse you of trying to buy drugs.
As if going to this working class black neighborhood meant you were looking for drugs.
That's just how it was.
And I had kids in my neighborhood who might have known some of the guys over there, they'd cross the street and the cops would be like, get in, we're driving you back.
And look, by all means, interpret that however you want.
I don't know, I'm just saying, that was my experience growing up on the South Side, where you actually had these weird, you crossed the street and the race, the entire race.
unidentified
It's still like that today.
I mean, if you come to Chicago, I implore everyone in the chat, come to Chicago, come to the actual neighborhoods.
You go downtown, that's what everyone do.
Come and actually come to the neighborhoods.
You will see, when you go into a certain neighborhood, you'll see what everyone looks like.
You'll go into a different neighborhood, you'll see what everyone looks like.
It's still like that today.
And so when we talked about the redlining, the numbers showed even the neighborhoods where the median income for black people is $75,000, $80,000, the neighborhoods where people actually have decent income or decent credit, They still were not getting the same loans.
So that's why Chase, what they did is they came to the table and said, J. Marr was right and we're going to give a billion dollars back to Chicago after I shut down their branches and I got banned and they banned me from every Chase in America.
But they knew that they were wrong.
Because what was happening is they were intentionally, then they'll say, oh what about, maybe it's the values, they're not going to make money off the values.
We showed, the numbers showed, and this was a great reporter, her name was Linda Ludden, she literally did a whole investigation to show the other side to what everyone would be saying.
Even the default ratings, the default ratings were the same in black communities than it was in the white community.
So everything showed that Chase intentionally were redlining our south and west side, Chicago, and that's why Chase gave back a billion dollars.
Obviously, there's a lot of people whose sentiment is, you know, we're concerned about crime rates, we're concerned about poverty, we're concerned about these things, and well, my immediate response is, you know, Tommy Robinson said this on the show the other week, that he does not like the extremist Islamic ideology, but when you get to, you know, targeting a single person because they have this religion, now you've got a problem, because everybody's different, everybody's an individual, and this is the issue.
A guy who's not, by any means, racist will engage in something that is detrimental to a community of people because he's concerned other people might be racist.
It's this weird, self-fulfilling market problem.
Yeah, I don't know ultimately how you solve a problem like this, because in Chicago, these things they tried enacting just made more racism.
I was talking about this with, we've talked about it on the show, when it comes to reparations.
I'm like, if in my neighborhood growing up in Chicago, where it's largely like, it was Polish immigrants, it was white people, and some Latinos, you cross north of 47th, everyone's black.
If the government came in and said, we're going to cut a check to this neighborhood just north of you, all the gangbangers from my side would have gone over there and just robbed everybody.
And then you're going to hear news reports of white and Mexican guys robbing black people.
I'm like, giving people money based on race specifically isn't going to solve it.
That's why I've always been more of a, yes, I recognize these things are problems, but maybe socioeconomic factors are the thing that should be targeted instead.
unidentified
Well, you know, and like you say, you talked about violence.
What we're talking about, redlining, plays into violence.
People don't understand that going to the neighborhoods that have the lowest rate of violence in Chicago, the majority of those folks own their homes.
75 plus percent in Lincoln Park, 77 percent, right?
Going to the neighborhoods where the lowest home ownership is you will have the most violence so you can look at the numbers and see that if you have a neighborhood where you have a lot of vacancies and you have a lot of Majority of people don't own anything you will have the most violence and so redlining plays a part in that because if we make neighborhoods full of homeowners who give a damn about their blocks and Right?
Who care about what's going on in their communities.
You'll have them holding accountable their politicians and holding accountable each other to say, hey, this is not happening over here because I own this and I'm raising my kids here and I want this school to be a certain way.
We have to make sure that we empower people economically because that's the only way we can take control of our neighborhoods and not be waiting on a politician.
I mean, that kind of leans into the whole thing of when they're dumbing down their rhetoric when they're around black people.
Let's say someone like Kamala Harris does it.
That's Kamala Harris trying to show that she's black.
It's like we were saying earlier, it's like a lot of people view you as not black enough if you don't come from the struggle.
So for her to sound like she's from the struggle, she has to dumb down her rhetoric.
So that's one of the many circular issues that's happening here.
And then like looking at that video from like Date Right Stuff and the reaction to it,
It's one of those things where it first of all I hate that they associate black with criminality and it's the definition of I hate how a small percentage of the black community ruins the reputation for the rest of us because so many people try to just associate us with crime they associate us with lowering the value of everything because we're destroying communities when most black people are not doing that so it's like I'm I have so Don't you think it's a tad of racism there?
unidentified
Not just, you know, the folks that are, you know, the small percentage.
There's a tad of racism there for them to say, just like you said, automatically just associate black people with criminals.
At the same time, it's identifying patterns and stereotypes, and it's like black people are disproportionately doing a lot of these crimes, so that's why we get the allegations.
Yeah, alright, so if you look at crime, crime is proximity.
Proximity violence.
You go into a white neighborhood where everyone's poor, white people are committing lots of crimes too, okay?
And if you look at numbers, white people commit a majority of a lot of different crimes, and then people will say, well there's more white people than black people and all this, but the point is, is that every group of people commit crimes depending on their environment.
So, it is not true to say that black people are committing a disproportionate amount of crimes.
In their neighborhoods, proximity-wise, yes, because they're in impoverished neighborhoods with other impoverished black people, so they're committing crimes against each other.
I just want to say, I blame white liberals for most of this stuff.
So, I'll give you an example.
There's this video going viral right now where a group of young black teenagers are following some 60-year-old guy.
They attack him.
The guy flees.
They start beating him up.
And so the response from a lot of conservatives is, if it was the other way around, you'd have a national story, you'd have everyone kneeling at these events, and I'm like, that's not an issue of your average black person, because you go to any sane, rational black person, they're gonna condemn this, they're gonna say this is nuts.
And so the issue is white liberals propping up narratives of racism for black people instead.
So when people complain like, hey, how come we're not getting a conversation about the hate crime committed here?
It's like, well, the corporate press is a bunch of white liberals that don't care and they want to prop up the inverse narrative.
But again, I stress like both you guys here would easily be like, oh, that's messed up.
It's so profitable pretending to be combating an issue.
It's like when it comes to crime in Chicago, people don't realize crime is a billion dollar industry in Chicago.
There's a reason why they're not doing anything to crack down on these crimes.
In fact, I'm working on a whole mini doc right now about how gang violence is affecting these young children and how these soft on crime policies have led to so many kids dying.
Like drive-bys and a four-year-old's getting his hair cut and he gets shot in the head.
Like these type of things are happening and they know who's committing the crimes.
They know what's happening there.
But then more often than not, they don't want to do anything about it because, again, it's more profitable to pretend like you're fighting the issue.
Same thing in Los Angeles.
Homelessness.
They've put $5 billion, over $5 billion in five years pretending to fight homelessness in L.A.
And there are more crackheads and methheads on the street than ever before.
It's like a methhead safe haven out there because they're pretending to fight these issues.
They have these different temporary shelters.
And I know this is a slightly different topic, but it's like they have these temporary shelters that are as much as $130,000 per bed, $700,000 per house in prime real estate.
Why?
Because they're pretending to fight homelessness because they make more money pretending to than actually Let's get into the politics of it.
That's politics.
- Yep, for sure.
- And I mean, that's what's happening here.
These white liberals are pushing these narratives because they act like they're fighting racism.
They act like they're doing such good work.
And that's how they get back into their positions of power by pretending.
That was like the biggest story in like 2022, right?
Wow.
They were saying that black people weren't capable of getting IDs and now that's even why, wasn't it like the MLB championships, they even moved, something like that.
It was some huge sport event that would have brought billions of dollars to a black area in Georgia where all these black businesses would have benefited.
But they're like, oh, well, they're trying to have voter IDs, so we're going to move it to a predominantly white area so these black people don't get the profit at their businesses.
So this is a video Daily Wire's got up, Ami Horowitz.
This is one of the most famous videos.
It's been reposted millions of times.
It probably has tens of millions of views where Ami goes to Berkeley and he asks these young progressives, Yeah, is voter ID racist?
And they say, yeah, and he asks them why, and they say, oh, you know, black people don't know where the DMV is, and they don't have the internet, so they can't get IDs.
Then he goes, I think he goes to the Bronx or Harlem, and one of my favorite moments, that basically goes viral because not a single black person was like, I can't get an ID.
They're all like, what?
Like, what kind of question is that?
Of course I know.
My favorite point is when So one of these Berkeley liberals is like, they don't know where the DMV is, it's really hard.
And so then he asks a guy, he's like, hey, I got a question for you, do you know where the DMV is?
And the guy goes, yeah, you just go up here, you make a left on 25th Street, it'll be around the corner.
As if he thought he was being asked for directions, not it was like some kind of interview.
But this is one of the big, like this is in line exactly with liberals presenting themselves as less competent.
They create this narrative for each other.
Not for black people, not for minorities, it's for each other.
So they can act like they're noble and righteous.
The funny thing about it is, Conservatives, it's weird, there are people like right now in the chat saying, you know, we don't want to live around high crime areas, so we don't want to live around black people, and I'm like, it's racist to assume that you're going to get that.
I recognize they're talking about, you know, patterns or whatever it is, they're looking at a crime stat, but it's funny that On the left, they will not.
There's that famous tweet from the riots during the Summer of Love where the guy in Beverly Hills is cheering on the riots, and then his tweet's like, yeah, get him, get him, and then a few hours later it's like, stay away from my house!
What are you doing?
Help me, help me, no!
They don't want to live near black people.
They want to pretend like they actually care.
And so they have this, like, weird, we are so noble and just kind of racism, and then you have on the right people being like, no, they have their own agency, they can do whatever they want, and it's kind of weird that conservatives have this, I will treat you as I would treat anybody else, and for certain reasons I don't want to be near you, and the liberals Yeah.
I mean, they're two sides of the same coin.
unidentified
I mean, even when you look at the folks coming across the border, we say, look, we have no space for them.
Get them a room in your house.
They're like, no, we ain't got no room in our house.
You know, so they're always definitely hypocritical.
They'll be out there fighting for them, but they won't actually want to live next to them, or then let a shelter come up in their neighborhood, or an apartment building in their neighborhood full of them.
Then they're going to be at the Alderman office like, oh, heck no.
There's too much going on, you know?
So I definitely, you know, feel where you're coming from.
But I think they both have their own, you know, they both are similar in their own ways.
One just hides it, and one's just upfront with it.
Yeah, it's like, one is almost like, right, honest about, hey man, look, you do your thing, they're going to talk to you like they talk to anybody else, and then they're going to tell you exactly like, look, I look at these crime stats, I don't want to live in this neighborhood, I don't want to live in a neighborhood with you.
Liberals are like, oh, you're so oppressed, that's so nice.
Yeah, but you can't live near me.
It's virtue signaling.
But so, let's jump to the big question that I suppose.
Is Trump actually winning over—they say it every year, right?
Oh, the Republicans are gaining among black voters, and there are some conservative commentators who are just like, shut up.
It's real, but a lot of those people don't vote, right?
So you got both sides, right?
You got the sentiment, which is actually true in the neighborhoods, but those people ain't never voted before.
So they won't make the impact that, you know, we're talking about because they really probably not gonna vote.
But the sentiment is true for sure.
When you look at what has happened over the last 16 years, you know, Democrats have had it for 12, right?
People are in a tough position right now.
So it's kind of hard for Uh Kamala to to sit there and tell them that things are going well when they know that it isn't right and Trump you know he had the four years um that he had and he had a couple years after COVID where you know a lot of folks were making a lot of money from PPPs and SBA loans and money was flowing As we should know, right?
In the neighborhoods, like never before.
And so, then you had Joe Biden, where groceries are high, gas is high, and everyone's been broke, even if you had some money for the last few years.
So, people are going back to thinking about the time where they just, the last time they had some money, and the last time they had some money was when Trump was in his office, because after COVID, they had all those government resources.
So, that sentiment is still in the neighborhoods, because throughout Joe Biden's term, Everybody been broke.
I mean you hit the nail on the head We're also just tired of our faces being played in it's like you can only lie to us so many times you can only pretend like you're going to help us so many times because in 2020 I had just become a Trump supporter like pretty much right before the election essentially and got red-pilled that whole year and I
I remember so vividly because I used to support BLM and Joe Biden talking so much about how he wanted to bring all this racial justice and then next year comes around and he won't answer a phone call, he won't talk to anybody, he's not doing anything in the black community and black people remember that and you can only Try to win our votes over through culture and through rappers so many times before we start to see through it.
Having Meg Thee Stallion twerk is not going to bring no new votes.
I mean, it's like, yeah, we'll watch, we'll entertain it.
Like, it's fun.
It's like, I would love to go have mimosas with Kamala Harris.
she seems like she has a great personality, but it's like, that doesn't mean I'm being sarcastic there, but she is funny though.
I feel like we definitely would laugh.
If we're gonna do anything, we're gonna laugh.
Even if that's nothing.
But it's like, you can't keep doing that and not actually talking about policies or change or action We want to see action.
And one thing about Trump, he's going to get things done.
And whether you like what he says, you like his rhetoric or not, at least you know what's coming.
Because it's like, I would rather have someone I was a little ignorant, maybe says some things here and there that might rub me the wrong way, but at least I know how you feel.
I'd rather see you coming and see a wolf coming rather than a wolf in sheep's clothing like a lot of these leftists who are actually racist but pretend not to be.
Because the thing is, it's, if we're gonna have no tax for, if we're gonna take, okay, first, let me go back.
So if tips are a significant portion of your income, why are you not having to pay taxes on a significant portion of your income?
And I still do.
So my thing is, is you're going to be dropping the tax on tips.
You should be just dropping the income taxes on everybody.
I'm also not the biggest fan of the police immunity policy.
I do feel like there needs to be a system, they need to restructure that whole thing where police officers are able to do their job because right now police officers literally have their hands tied in a lot of these major cities where they can't do their job.
unidentified
And I don't think he has a policy on that really because police already technically have immunity and then when they ask him about it he's like well there's going to be a commission that looks at certain cases and you don't even know what he's talking about on that so I definitely think that him So here's where I disagree with the tax on tips thing.
His bills were immediately affected because that was his last shift.
I hope you enjoyed that tip.
But you know something that's interesting too that you were talking about earlier is you feel like black people should be independent.
I will say I can understand why black people have so many issues, especially in a city like Chicago with both sides of the aisle.
And I feel like while there are, and going back to your original question too, while there are a lot more black people who are supporting Trump now, I do think a lot of them are supporting Trump in theory because they like what he has to say more, but I don't think that they're turning up to the polls as much as they should be.
And honestly, I've been saying for a while, if Republicans really want to try to win, what they should do is stop trying to get... I mean, they should keep trying, so let me correct that rhetoric, but I feel like a more realistic goal for Republicans is not to get black people to vote Republican, it's to get black people just not to vote for Democrats.
Because a lot of these black people are just like, okay, well, I definitely don't like the Democrats, so I'm just not going to vote.
Because then we can say everybody should vote, every single person.
However, there's going to be a lot of people, and this is the problem I see, they're handed a universal mail-in ballot and they're like, I have no idea who any of these people are.
And they go, just pick the one we want you to pick.
And then it's not about the people who know what they want to fight for fighting for it, it's about the individual going door-to-door Effectively getting more votes for himself.
unidentified
But then there becomes a problem because we got a money problem.
So unless we're going to overturn Citizens United and publicly fund campaigns, you're still going to have a problem because that means whoever's richer is going to get more votes because they'll have the money to get to more people.
Whoever's got the money is going to get the votes.
They can go on commercials, they can buy billboards.
I think by taking names off the ballot, at the very least, Activists doing door campaigns with their friends and through a grassroots effort will have a better chance of winning.
unidentified
Not in cities like Chicago.
You know what I'm saying?
So the problem is, as somebody who ran for mayor, you have to, one, have 12,500 signatures to even get on the ballot.
That means you gotta have at least three times or you're gonna get kicked off, right?
So I was the youngest person to ever make the ballot in the city because of how hard it was and I got two challenges that I had to beat.
And so, you know, you will get, in a city like Chicago, money rules everything.
And so if you're running for office in Chicago and you don't have millions of dollars, you are going to lose it.
When you're talking about grassroots in a very short period of time, if you don't have the money and infrastructure to get enough people to post, because you've got to remember, Chicago is a money town.
Everybody's working in politics because of money.
So if the people with money are hiring all the people that actually want to do something in politics, then the grassroots people who don't have money is going to be at a disadvantage.
I will say, if we were to actually issue blank ballots, where it's like, fill this out and send it back in, there's no names on it, your average congressional candidate would probably get like 3,000 votes.
unidentified
Oh for sure.
Most people wouldn't vote.
They wouldn't know who to vote for so that would stop them from voting.
But I think that if you're going to do something like that, regardless if you do something like that or not, we need public financing of campaigns.
Because when you have, it was crazy to me that the Democrats at the DNC the other day had Bernie Sanders come out and talk about how billionaires shouldn't be able to buy elections, then they have my governor come out right after him.
You get ten people, we're talking twenty-five, of a hundred people want to run, where cities dump in two hundred and fifty million.
unidentified
But it's not going to happen because they're not going to be able to meet the requirements.
If we have the same requirements, it is very hard to meet those, which is why you only have so many meet the requirements.
So those people who meet the requirements, say for example you have, you know, usually in Chicago you have five to nine people running for mayor, because You have to have infrastructure, a name, money.
You have to have something to get that many signatures in 90 days, right?
And so you meet those requirements, so you got five to nine people, they got a couple million dollars apiece.
I mean, hey, everyone is on the same level playing for you.
It's impossible to stop someone from spending money in a way to benefit themselves.
You can say, you can't spend more than, let's say you've got a guy who's worth $200 million.
And we're going to give everybody $2.5 million.
This is the only money that can be spent for your campaigns, for ads.
They go, okay, super PAC.
Then we go, okay, no, no, no, no.
We're going to make Super PACs illegal.
Super PACs can't exist.
Then you're going to get someone in Indiana who's going to be like, okay, in Indiana we will run commercials that bleed into Chicago and we're going to make sure everybody, you know, in East Chicago or Gary or whatever is going to see this because we know you're still going to have someone.
You know what we're going to do?
We're going to fly airplanes over Chicago.
unidentified
I would rather have that.
than to have a situation where in nine people in a race, you only got a couple people with a few million, and everybody else is broke.
If everyone at least was lifted to a certain standard, it's about how they spend their money now.
Because if they got a couple million dollars, and they spend a little on TV, they hire people in the neighborhood, people still won't know their name.
So we see this whenever a government does funding, like Kamala Harris is talking about this $25,000 grant, instantly I see all these influencers, there's a couple guys that I follow who are real estate developers and financial guys, not political at all, they put out these emergency videos being like, With this declaration, the moment she wins, prices are going to go way up.
Yeah, see, people have got to understand the terms here.
She talked about first-generation homeowners.
We've got to know that it's more folks who come from an immigrant family that will apply to that first-generation title than the folks who didn't have a mom or dad own a property in these communities.
The immigrant families will get the majority share of that money, and that's my problem with Democrat policies.
My problem with Democrat policies is that they always try to be, you know, say everyone can get access to a certain amount of funds, and then the folks at the bottom usually get the crumbs of it all.
And then you have the Black Shields, like Roland Martin, say, look y'all, this is for Black people!
And it really ain't for Black people, you get what I'm saying?
So, you know, that that is what kills me.
And then black people think that these policies are going to really help them.
When you look at the numbers, they don't.
Right.
And black voters are the ones who put Democrats over the top.
So I think that, you know, Kamala, what people are saying in the black community is we want a black agenda.
You get what I'm saying?
We need something for us.
Every group of people get it.
And when the Asian community was getting hate after COVID, they got an anti-Asian hate bill.
When the Jewish lobby is the most powerful lobby, Palestinians, I'm sure Kamala gonna start to move over to their side a little bit to try to convince the Palestinian community.
Black people give their vote away for symbolism and feelings each and every time.
We gotta stop doing that.
What are you getting?
That's why when they ask someone in the community, What's a Kamala policy?
I think Blair White said it best that their whole platform now is saying that the, or making up all these lies about the Republican platform and then turning them into these villains that they're coming to fight because they're the hero of their own Disney fairy tale.
In the white neighborhoods, it was fairly mixed, but two white guys on top.
Hispanic neighborhoods, two Hispanic guys on top.
People were just voting based on race.
unidentified
They were voting based off race outside of Brandon Johnson because what the white liberal community in Chicago does is they find someone that can meet the identity, right, of the rest of the South and West sides and, you know, they find their guy that they can move their agenda through.
He ends up pulling ahead largely because one neighborhood deviates and it's the white liberals near Loyola who, it's a mostly white neighborhood, voted for Brandon Johnson.
unidentified
Yeah, because Brandon didn't get a black vote to get to the runoff.
Black people didn't vote for Brandon Johnson to get to the runoff.
They didn't know who he was.
But once he got to the runoff with the white guy, it became black and white.
And so all black people went for Brandon, and the white people went for Paul, and the black communities had the white liberals to side with them, and that's how they beat Paul Valens.
Well, you had the teachers union, and you had the unions all come together to, you know, put their money behind Brandon Johnson.
And when you have all of that money at play, and the unions saying, no, we want Brandon, and then he gets to the runoff, then that's what you have, right?
So once the union make their decision on who they're going to back, because Brandon was working for the teachers union, and the real mayor is Stacy Davis Gates.
I went and visited family over the holidays, and it's all anybody's talking about.
Schools being taken over, parks being taken over, and it was wild to see the black community in Chicago saying, we are being replaced.
And I'm like, I thought that was racist, you can't say that.
unidentified
It's the truth!
Listen, we know that there's an agenda at stake, right?
And when you have Chicago neighborhoods, right?
Let's look at the black communities.
Just 10 years ago, Rahm shut down 51 schools, remember?
You know, all at one time.
And he sent all of our kids to different rival communities, different schools to go to because he said that they couldn't afford to keep these 50 schools open.
He shut all of those schools down, left them vacant for many years, right?
We've had a couple mayors since then.
So now the community has been asking, we want these school buildings to be community centers, manufacturing hubs.
Let's do something with these school buildings that are sitting here vacant in our community.
Because what they do is they don't invest in our communities.
They leave these buildings, you know, to go to shreds and they don't really care.
They don't come and maintenance them.
They don't never come back to them.
And so the migrant crisis happens.
And the first thing that they do is go to them schools that we shut down 10 years ago and let's rebuild these schools and make them shelters and and child care centers and uh for the mic so people see like oh whoa This school, we've been asking to do something for this school for all these years, and you're going to give it to them?
And then they look and see, they're giving them childcare, transportation every day.
They're feeding them $125 million just to feed them.
Because these people are like, black people vote for us anyway.
unidentified
Right.
That's the problem.
They take our vote for granted and what they're trying to do is they think that they're gonna build this base, right, of people by doing this, when really it's just gonna bite them in the rear in the end because they're usually more conservative.
The whole goal for the DNC was to clean up downtown, clean up graffiti, remove all the homeless people, take all of the tens of thousands of migrants we're taking care of, and put them all in different neighborhoods and hide them for a week, so that when people come in, they don't have to see them.
I feel like the migrant crisis really is one of the main things that's getting a lot of black people to stop supporting the left because it is wildly out of control.
New York is insane.
You know, 20% of their hotels and most of them, the luxury ones, are just full of migrants.
They're causing all this chaos on the street.
My friend Emily was just doing a news hit out there, and she was trying to walk to our hotel.
A police officer came up and told her, you realize pretty much everybody in this entire block, because there was hundreds of people just walking around out there, all illegal immigrants who were just trying to figure out either where they were staying or getting their resources.
They come in busloads and just get out of the car.
And it's not even just the major cities.
It's like these small rural towns, too.
So my parents live in this really small town in Illinois, and my mom, she's always been super, super far left.
And she told me she's at the point that she's about to get a shovel and build the wall herself.
There are a lot of black people who just will not say they're voting for Trump.
Because my auntie told me, I would never tell anybody, but I'm voting for Trump.
So there is a lot of black people who just don't want to be shamed for voting for Trump.
But the reality is, is because they're watching what's going on with this crisis right now.
You got veterans that are homeless.
We got 20,000 homeless young people in Chicago.
We got thousands of people.
We got the The highest unemployment rate of any metro area with an urban population right now is 6.4%.
Over 100,000 people don't have jobs, but we're spending millions of dollars each day, six months of free rent for them, right?
The state has spent over $50 million in the last 18 months just to pay for their rent.
We're feeding them each and every day.
Child care, transportation, the county is giving them free health care.
When they see the incentives they're getting, they're getting stipends, okay?
They're getting stipends each and every month.
When you see the incentives that they're getting and you look at our communities that have been suffering and say, God damn, there's no team to enhance our lives.
So what's going to happen is Black voters and Trump voters are going to come together complaining about how all these non-citizens are getting money, and the Democrats are going to be like, well, maybe we shouldn't be giving money to these non-citizens.
Let's compromise and do reparations.
And then you're going to get all the Americans being like, I would rather American citizens get this money and investment than non-citizens.
unidentified
That's a good, that's a good, hey, if that happens, that's good.
We might as well have got reparations instead of, you know, spending these billions of dollars.
Well, the Bureau of Land Management owns how many tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, or millions, I think it's hundreds of millions of acres or whatever, how many, what the number is.
Yeah, just take it off from the federal government, give it to, I would rather that we pay reparations in giving 40 acres from BLM, the governmental BLM, to BLM, you know what I'm saying?
I would rather American citizens, even if it is based on race, I'm not a fan of doing it that way, but if it takes it from the federal government, I'm fine with it.
So you would rather give reparations to the lineage of folks who have descendants of slavery in this country than to pay the money for illegal immigrants?
See, what I don't like about today Doing reparations is that things have changed to a certain degree where you've got people of different racial backgrounds, and I think there's a risk of racial animosity if you are like, it's going to be race-based.
If you said something like, it'll be based on the descendants of those who are enslaved, There's going to be some white, blonde-haired, blue-eyed guy who's going to be like, actually, I do have a great-great-great-grandmother.
You know, 2% black or whatever, 1%.
And it's just like, I don't know.
unidentified
But it needs to be that way.
The truth of the matter is that if you didn't have ancestors who actually have suffered, then how can you get reparations?
Look at what happened with the Japanese.
You go to Japan, it's beautiful out there.
Who paid those reparations?
Let's be serious.
So we have to understand that Every group of community that have actually been tortured and hurt in some way got repaired.
But I'll tell you this, just outside of any of that argument, If right now we had the option to basically take all the land from the Bureau of Land Management, which why does the federal government just seize this property anyway?
And then we sit here and talk about, oh, let's not get rid of student loan debt or medical debt or all these different things where the majority of black people have debt, but we can expend billions of dollars each day on this crisis, but we just don't want to get rid of debt.
I gotta be honest, I'm sorry, just real quick, I can certainly understand a moral issue someone might have with giving out resources from the government based on race and things like this, but I really don't see very many negatives to the positives for even someone who's particularly racist when you look at how much land the federal government owns and controls and does nothing with.
To just be like, it's better off in the hands of private American citizens, and if it's the compromise, Just do it.
It weakens federal government, which is overbearing and much too powerful as it is.
It may not result in grand flourishing cities or whoever, but I don't care.
Because there are so many different protocols that put black people in a position of privilege.
I mean, look at the way that... Like what?
Like when it comes to the education system, when it comes to higher education, you have black women who are outpacing pretty much every demographic now when it comes to graduation rates and increasing the increase in getting degrees.
But there are more black people who are more prosperous, but it's like, you have to look at so many other factors because there's so many opportunities that are out there to be successful.
But what separates those individuals from the collective is the choices they make.
unidentified
No, that's incorrect.
We gotta understand that there are success stories.
I'm one of them, right?
And I'm one who can live in a procedures community and give my kids privilege.
That's not everyone.
Everyone didn't have the opportunities, and everyone didn't have the resources, and the network, and the people that I had, right?
And I took advantage of those things to get to where I am.
And the thing is, is we can't look at those few people like, oh, well, we got somebody in the NBA, and they made millions, and look at that as a way to make that an overarching message over the community that everyone can do it.
Because we know everybody can make the NBA, everybody can make the NFL, everybody can make a million dollars.
The problem we're talking about is really repairing the damage that has been done to these communities.
And what's happened is you have so many folks in our communities that are still, to this day, experiencing the effects of slavery.
And that's just the truth.
Whether it's been all of the difference from slavery and the policies after it.
Okay, we can go on down the line from Jim Crow to the war on drugs to, I mean, let's go down the line on the different policies that came after slavery that they instituted, mass incarceration.
And so they're still experiencing, look at when they talk about weed, right?
Now states legalize it and now they want to decriminalize it, but there are still so many black men right now today who are still Who still have backgrounds of marijuana on them while white people are making billions of dollars on this drug.
Now, Kamala Harris put a lot of those guys in prison.
unidentified
Yeah, she did.
She was a part of it and she was against the legalization of cannabis.
We gotta start talking about this.
We can't just act like...
Oh, the damage is done!
No, you have millions of families that were destroyed because of weed, and now billions of dollars are being made by white people and black people ain't making a billion dollars.
So, we gotta understand, so that's the same with slavery.
Damage was done, there's no repair.
See, I just don't think that's true anymore.
was done, there's no repair.
Mass incarceration, damage was done, there's no repair.
And then now you have so many folks out here, they can't get jobs, can't get middle class jobs, they can't get to where they, just because of all the policies that were moved forward.
We can't act like these things didn't happen because they did.
I do think there's still, of course, there's always going to be a ripple effect because at the end of the day, it's a very critical part of our history and we're still a relatively young nation in the grand scheme of things.
So are things perfect?
No.
I think reparations would have made sense a long time ago.
But like now, we're at the point now where I just think identity politics are so unnecessary.
Because Just because something benefits a white person doesn't mean it won't benefit me.
I think that we need to take the identity politics out and just figure out what is better for the greater good of society and for Americans across the board.
unidentified
I'm not understanding where did reparations... You said that you were for reparations when?
You said you've worked so hard to get to where you are.
And it's like, okay, you said you had other resources and connections of that nature, and that's great.
But the thing is, is there are opportunities out there.
You might have to work a little harder to get to it, but it's a socioeconomic thing at this point.
It's not just a racial thing.
Yes, there are more people of color who are disproportionately in the lower working class when it comes to finances, but there are ways to work your ass off and get out of that now.
What I think you have is you're looking at success stories and you're looking at more black people in higher powers and you're looking at, because those are the people that they choose, select.
If you look at the black people that are more successful today than they were back then, that still does not translate to the actual numbers of these communities when you look at the racial wealth gap.
And if you're also, so if you're a descendant of a Union soldier who fought to end slavery, but a slave owner cancels it out, but if you're the descendant of a Union soldier who fought to end slavery, then you are entitled as well.
And if you're the descendant of a Union soldier who died fighting, you should get some kind of veteran benefits for that conflict, right?
I feel like that's so divisive, though, because it's like we're so far beyond the Civil War.
It's like I'm not about to sit here and hate on the Confederacy, like as far as the people who fought in the Confederacy, because There were many other issues that were going along with that.
The problem now is the exponential growth of the descendants of those slaves.
So if it was, we're gonna give 40 acres to one person, now it's how many descendants has that one person created? 700?
unidentified
You're talking about the growth in the population and the family sizes, right?
But I mean, I think that there's a structure, there's many folks who have put together great structures on how it needs to be done, and we've studied it and put together these structures, you know, so many different times.
I mean, this is a lot of untouched land that is prime for development that the United States has that is not developing on.
There's long, beautiful summers.
It's not an icy, barren wasteland.
The winters are dark and they're cold, but the summers are long and the fruit grows massive.
You've got a lot of land up there.
Jack Posobiec and Daniel Turner talking about Occupy Alaska, like we should invade Alaska, our own country, stop going to these foreign wars.
How about we give portions of Alaska in reparations and actually start developing the land we have where we can get oil, we can have more fuel for our country, and we can actually create new urban centers, new jobs, and new industry in areas that we should be utilizing and aren't.
unidentified
I mean, or would you rather keep giving billions to Israel, Ukraine, migrants?
If my choice was hundreds of billions to Ukraine, hundreds of billions to Israel, or reparations, I'd choose reparations every day of the week.
unidentified
Yeah!
I mean, come on.
We need to pour into, and this is...
You know, this is why I'm with American First on this, right?
We gotta pour into America and American citizens.
And what I do know is that if you pour into its citizens, they're gonna make something out of it.
They're gonna build.
They're going to create businesses.
They're going to create tax revenue.
And if we spent more money here and investing in each other and looked at Tim and said, man, we love what you're doing.
We need you to expand this.
I want to pay for the expansion because we know what it'll do if you expand.
We look at this landscape where we look at this business owner.
We want to expand.
We have to invest in its people.
And if that means, hey, let's utilize the resources that we have and use it as a form of reparations to folks in America so that they can grow our economy, I'm for it all day.
However, that being said, if my only options were give $200 billion to a country 8,000 or whatever miles away that is invading Russia and putting us on the brink of World War III, or we give $200 billion to descendants of slaves to invest in land and build businesses, I'm like, well, I think there will be a lot of negatives that come with that in terms of racial animosity, that's true, but I gotta tell ya, we would be better off compared to what they're doing with that money.
Now, in a perfect world, I think we solve these problems in other ways.
We don't go to war, we don't do this overt reparations thing, but if you're gonna tell me that we're giving hundreds of billions of dollars to Israel, to Ukraine, and illegal immigrants, I'd rather American citizens have it, in whatever circumstance that may be.
So, it really is like a big ask.
It's a rock and a hard place.
I don't think either are the ideal utopian outcome, but certainly one is better than the other.
If there was a vote right now and it said every black American will vote for Donald Trump, 100% of them, and Trump's promising to end the spending in Ukraine, end foreign intervention, bring our troops back, cut all of our spending to Israel, But the black voters are like, but we do want a portion of that as reparations.
Is that an acceptable compromise?
Donald Trump would win.
And so this is what I'm saying.
In politics, you wish you could get everything you've asked for and more.
But if someone came to me and said, you have two choices.
We're funding Ukraine, who invaded the Kursk region.
130,000 Russian civilians have been evacuated.
Russia has already threatened nuclear weapons on numerous occasions.
And we're not talking about ICBMs blowing up New York.
We're talking about nuclear artillery and low-yield bombs creating the first nuclear war.
I mean, I understand World War II had nuclear bombs.
It was two.
It was the end of it.
This will be the first full-scale ongoing nuclear conflict.
Lord help us, we have to do everything to stop this.
If someone told me Trump's going to offer up that money that we sent to Ukraine to buy people for reparations and end the war overnight, de-escalate the conflict, and he's going to win 100% of the black vote, I'd be like, send it in.
Trump win.
Take that money back.
Give it to American citizens.
It's not my ideal outcome.
It's not what I would choose or plan for, but it is certainly the better of the two options.
unidentified
You know another thing that Trump needs to do, since we brought up Trump, he needs to embrace re-entry citizens.
He needs to embrace ex-felons.
I think the problem, he needs to understand this because the Democrats have this message in wrong.
Especially knowing that the majority of black people vote Democrat.
They are out here loosely using the word felon.
Basically using it like if you're a felon, you're just nobody now.
You have committed a life's atrocity and you're going to be nothing for the rest of your life.
And that's how they're using it in their messaging with Trump, knowing that a third of black men have felonies and the majority of their voters are black.
If Trump embraced ex-felons, Right?
And, you know, he said, hey, they should have their right to vote and we should be pouring, putting jobs, making sure that they can have jobs so that the recidivism rate can decrease.
If he creates a policy around that, He will secure another percentage of the black voters.
You know, Trump would also, if Trump said he was going to cut all funding to Israel, just not even Ukraine, just Israel, he'd win over all these lefties.
They'd just be like, I don't like Trump at all, but okay.
unidentified
I'm telling you, the Palestinians yesterday said they ain't voting now.
They said today, I seen some crying ones saying, I've never been so, I mean I seen one crying, I've never been so sad in my life.
I think the Israel and the Ukraine situations are very different.
I think we are sending an excessive amount of money to Israel and we need to be more like, we need to be auditing what this money is actually going to but I do think we have a Huge stake in the game of what's happening in Israel right now, compared to Ukraine.
But I'm really happy you went there about the whole felon situation, because I was noticing that too.
The entire DNC, they just kept being like, this felon, especially Elizabeth Warren.
She's like, this felon.
unidentified
You see, neither Obama used the word once, because they know.
We talk so much about personality, we talk so much about charisma and likability, and it really started with the Obama era, because Obama was like your first celebrity-style politician.
Because I'll never forget being a kid and seeing him hanging out with Beyonce and Jay-Z.
I thought he was the coolest person in the world.
Didn't know a single thing about his policies.
I just knew he was a black man and he hung out with Beyonce and Jay-Z.
I was like, I like that.
unidentified
Inspired us all.
I won first place in a world tour competition with his speech when I was a kid.
Really?
In Chicago, yep.
And then he hates me now.
Obama.
Well, I mean, listen, you know, I was Rahm's biggest critic.
You know, he gave us Rahm Emanuel.
Rahm Emanuel was his chief of staff in the White House.
And so I was Rahm's biggest critic and, you know, led all the protests at his house and things of that sort.
But anyway, the point is... You were beefing with Obama.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I did a press conference in front of Obama's house and said, come get your roach.
You know, let's talk about Rahm Emanuel.
And, you know, I was saying if you got rid of Rahm, he's the head roach in charge and the rest of the roach will go with him.
But anyway, so the point is... So he doesn't like you?
So yeah, he banned me from his events.
But, you know...
The reality is, is that, you know, I don't play into the whole symbolism.
You inspired us with the hope and change when, you know, just like you say, you voted for him.
But we got nothing.
And then, you know what he said when he got out of office?
He said, well, now that I'm out of office, I can do more.
And he has yet to come to Chicago and say, how can I support Chicagoans?
How can I talk about, make things better for impoverished neighborhoods and lower violence or youth.
He's yet to do that.
The only thing that he's done is he's building this Obama Center that he didn't sign a community benefits agreement for that majority of the folks that he claimed that he was gonna make sure black people had a piece of the billion dollar construction budget, and they don't, right?
So, you know, all he's doing is saying, well, I'm giving y'all a presidential library.
But he ain't coming back to Chicago to do anything, and he's going to be a billionaire, first president that's a billionaire, and all he's doing is working on his Netflix and book deals.
That is literally a recycled list that's just a compilation, basically, that Heritage put together that has been out there since the beginning of time.
It's basically just like, if you were to have the most conservative nation ever, this is what the guidelines would look like.
unidentified
And the reason why I agree with that is not based on, because they talk about his friends being on it.
The reason why I agree with the fact that he's saying that he's not pushing Project 2025 It's because I look at the four years of him being president.
And the four years of him being president, he was very moderate.
He was not as radical, right, as Project 2025.
We gotta be honest about that.
They wanna act like we didn't have four years of Trump.
Four years of Trump was not, I'm a dictator and I am radically right.
And he actually governed very moderate on a lot of issues.
Some of the commentary I heard was that people liked how Trump wasn't pandering to this group of black professionals by trying to, oh, you're so right, I'm so sorry.
He actually was like, well, that was a rude question.
Dude, I loved it when he was talking and he said he's asked about black jobs and he's like, many of the people in here may have black jobs or something like that.
But I mean, here's the thing, this is what's funny though.
What's funny is, let's remove this stuff about, oh, it's black jobs, he shouldn't have said that because he white.
Let's be real, okay?
Black jobs is what he's talking about.
People who, I just said, a third of people have felonies.
Right?
Black men have felonies.
A third of black men have felonies.
If we know that, you know, these jobs in these communities are these essential jobs, and he's talking about them coming over the border to get those jobs, we know what he's talking about.
And so we just got to be honest and stop playing into the, oh, he shouldn't be saying that.
You know, because if Kamala said it, Y'all wouldn't have been mad.
So I tweeted, if Trump promised to cut all funding to Ukraine and Israel and foreign interventions, but he would use the money to pay reparations to descendants of slaves, would you support this?
As of right now, with 2,349 votes, 55% said fund war, no reparations.
My thing is, I think if reparations, a payment structure would generate animosity, it would make people angry with each other, it would inflame racial tensions.
I think there's other ways to go about it.
I think socioeconomic You look at the income chart that I pulled up, for whatever reason anybody wants to say that Asians are on top, then white, then Hispanic, then black, and then Native American.
Black and Native American are relatively comparable in their average income.
If we did things by socioeconomic, this should satisfy the left.
Because then you're targeting disproportionately black and Native American individuals with projects to revitalize neighborhoods, bring schools, whatever it may be.
And then for the right, you're not doing it by race.
It's not a race-based thing.
It's gonna help anybody, even if you are white, so it shouldn't be that crazy.
But that being said, I'm like, between the two, man, like, end war.
But there's, I guess, that's wild to me that people would say fund war.
unidentified
Because people, listen.
There's a lot of white folks that want to give black folks no money now, okay?
We just got to be honest here.
There's a little bit of racism there, and there's a little bit of white people feeling like black people are not going to be responsible with the money, right?
They have this view of how black people are in America, and that's what they base it off of.
If it was prior to October 7th when they were just like, and the war is just like exploding, then I would say that... But we were already giving Israel money then too.
And we were giving too much.
I agree.
I can agree on that.
unidentified
This is an increase of money because of the war, but we've always been giving Israel money.
But this is why I ask, because you're not in favor of reparations to begin with.
And so, right, so in terms of the poll, there's a lot of people who are like, well I don't like reparations at all and I do want to fund Israel, so of course they're gonna say fund the war and, you know, not reparations.
unidentified
But I mean, any war, I mean, what about Ukraine?
What about, I mean... Ukraine's out of business.
I mean, let's be serious.
We fund everything.
Talk about the military budget, okay?
We got a thousand, you know, a thousand countries that we sitting in.
We spend a trillion dollars a year.
I mean, let's be serious.
If you're talking about Would you rather gut the military budget to give what we're talking about?
I would have to look deeper into what they're actually putting in that military budget, but I will say that whichever side you're looking at, our spending is out of control.
It's like $29 trillion in debt.
I really think that we need to be auditing the entire government.
They're sitting here worried about our Venmo payments.
I'm still not over that.
They want to just mismanage trillions of dollars at a time when I do think that they should be reinvesting in communities.
Like, don't get me wrong, like, I'm not for reparations, but I am for elevating a lot of these communities.
These socio-economically challenged communities, not based on race, but just based on we should not have people living in a third world country in America.
I think we need financial literacy, we need to, I mean, crime needs to be addressed, because one of the big issues starts with- How do we bridge the racial wealth gap?
unidentified
I mean, a lot of it- These are two separate things.
I'm getting there, though, because when it comes to the, part of the racial wealth gap comes from we have so much crime in some areas- That's incorrect.
When you start with crime, you run opportunities out of the area, and then when you don't have opportunities... Where there are poor people, there is crime, and that is white, black, and others.
unidentified
It's a circular issue.
So what I'm saying is, how do you bridge the racial wealth gap?
Because if you bridge the racial wealth gap, you will have less crime in these black communities.
So this is why I don't think reparations... Opportunity too.
Opportunity, but you need cultural investment.
We can see this in any culture in the world.
We can see it with lottery winners.
If someone comes in with big money, they lose it right away.
They say wealth lasts three generations.
Some guy, he's poor, he works really hard, he gets rich.
He has a kid, that kid grows up rich, and learns lessons from his father about working hard, and maintains a little bit.
Third kid, his dad never worked hard to build anything, so they can't maintain it properly, and then after three generations, the wall starts to dwindle.
We can't just go to a community of people based on race or whatever reason and be like, here's money, here's this, here's whatever.
unidentified
Yeah, but that's totally different.
We're talking about two different things.
You can make that argument for reparations, but we're talking about bridging racial wealth gap.
Right, so this is why my solution is we need to go into areas that are dealing with crime and we need to stop the crime, which is going to mean more funding for cops.
What we have to do is we have to make it, one, we gotta hold these banks accountable.
That's number one, because the banks who have branches all through these communities and the majority of the lion's share are money from these communities, they're not investing back into these communities.
We gotta hold banks accountable and make sure that they are actually investing in these communities.
We have to give incentives to folks so that they can own homes en masse.
We have to develop in mass as well.
We have to develop, when people see development, right?
Trust and believe.
If you see, if I build a brand new house on a block in an impoverished community, people know that something is happening.
There is going to be a shift there. - So, but here's what, there's a lot of challenges here.
Somebody who lives in an area where their house costs a hundred grand and they're paying, you know, $1,300, $1,400 a year in taxes, you start putting in developments, the property value goes up and now they gotta pay They don't have it.
unidentified
But the services get better, one, and actually it will even out at the end because you'll have more people paying taxes.
Right, but the person who's making $25,000, $30,000 a year and struggling to get by cannot afford to pay the taxes on the property they own, and so they have no choice but to sell and then go to another low-income area.
These things...
It's like a whack-a-mole.
A rising tide lifts all ships.
We can't just go for developments.
I think one of the first things we need is stability.
That's why I say funding for police.
I think we get more cops and we bring in... We have more cops.
Number one, you need somebody who really understands the cities, right?
And really can go into the trenches and create different programs that actually invest in people and grab these young people and make sure the next generation of young people are growing up.
That's another thing, is you gotta make sure that the next generation of young people don't grow up to be like the young people that are committing the crimes, right?
And I think what we do is we target these people and be like, police, go and arrest them!
Go and arrest them, but then you got another generation that's going to come up and be the same way because we're not attacking the real problems.
Our education system, the environment that they're in, we're not giving, there's no trade in schools in Chicago, we're not giving them skills, we're not giving, so all you're doing is creating another breed because like you said, crime pays and it's a billion dollar industry when violence is high and that's why they leave it this way and keep having the perpetrators.
It doesn't matter what your race is, it doesn't matter what your wealth is, it matters what the people around you are striving towards and what they believe in.
And one dude was like, I don't know, he was 13, so the older guys in the gang said, go kill this guy and then you're in the gang and you have no choice, you have to join the gang.
I think gang culture is really misunderstood, too, because a lot of people assume that you joined a gang because you're a bad person, but a lot of times it's one, like, they don't trust the police officers in that area, so who is protecting their community?
local gang that's there.
They don't have enough opportunities that are in the area, so they don't have the vision of what they actually can be.
So the two ways to make money, you can sell drugs, and to sell drugs you're gonna need protection, which is the gangs, or if you're a girl, you go be a stripper. - But see, man, first thing I'll say is, Chicago's notorious for this.
There's neighborhoods that are controlled by gangs where you have no choice.
You're in the gang or else.
And so these 12-year-old boys are walking around and the gang walks up and says, all right, you're 12.
You're in the gang now.
And you have to go shoot somebody.
You have to do it or else.
You can't live here unless you're in the gang.
They'll beat you up.
They'll mess with your house.
Everybody joins.
It's a dynamic.
It's that culture.
It's a system.
It's how they function.
It's how they make money.
However, I always tell the story because I love it so much because there was a dude in my neighborhood who was selling pot.
And there was this other black dude and he was like, we were hanging out at the park and he's just like, he's like, you selling dope, man?
And he's like, you gotta make money, you know?
And he's like, there's easier ways to make money than doing that.
And he's like, what do you mean?
He's like, you know, he was making pretty good money selling pot.
And then this dude told him how he went to, he called up the local, he looked at all the local venues to see what bands were playing.
And then he'd get in contact with the bands and ask them if they had merch.
And most of them did not.
So he said, here's what I'll do.
I'm going to make merch for you guys.
I'm going to come and I'm going to sell it.
I'm going to give you 20% of everything I sell.
And then these bands were like, whoa, this is a great deal for us.
Free money.
And he was like, I make like a thousand, two thousand bucks a week, working two days.
And he's like, and then you want to tell me the couple hundred bucks you're making slinging dope and you're going to go to jail when they catch you.
He's like, have you even considered selling socks on the freeways?
Like, get out of here.
That's stupid.
It's culture.
People, they're surrounded by this and They don't know how to do any of this stuff.
And so some guy comes up to them and says, hey man, you got a bunch of dudes who smoke weed.
You'll make a lot of money if you do this.
And it's like, well, I do need money.
If only someone came up and said, here's how you sell t-shirts instead.
And you won't go to jail for it.
unidentified
You have to rebuild the culture.
And I think in black communities, a culture foundation is key.
But again, that's why you must have leaders that are actually from the culture that have a connection with the culture.
Because a lot of politicians, like in Chicago, Brandon isn't from Chicago.
Lori wasn't from Chicago.
When you have individuals who don't understand these communities and not from them, or never have lived there or never even been there, Brandon hasn't even been in the majority of Chicago communities, there's no way to really connect with these people and those people don't look at you as a leader for them, right?
And so we got to have more people that are elected in positions throughout cities that can go into these neighborhoods and start to help rebuild the cultural foundation and say, all right, hey, this is what we can do.
Hey, I need you to know the different individuals who have actual leadership in these communities and utilize them.
And I got some very radical policies that I'm not going to say, but the point is, is that we got to have some radical policies, but you only could do it if you really know these neighborhoods.
So for a guy who was selling t-shirts and said, don't do drugs, don't do this, he called weed dope.
That was always how it was.
And then everyone who smoked weed called heroin dope.
So I don't think I'm going to get anywhere near solving any of these problems in the long run, but it is interesting what we're seeing dynamically with Trump.
So if you want to give me your final thoughts before we wrap up and then shout something out?
unidentified
Yeah, no, my final thoughts is, number one is we gotta have some unity in America, and I think that a campaign season brings a lot of divisiveness.
That's why I like standing in the middle.
I got Republican friends, I got Democrat friends, I got people on every side of the aisle.
And I think what brings us together is actually when we sit down and have conversations about life, because everyone comes from different experiences.
Everyone, you know, I come from a totally different experience than probably all of you, right?
Which is why I see things differently.
And I've experienced different things that you have, which is why I would want to do things differently.
And if we sat down and understood each other and really talked and see, why do I like Trump?
Why do I like Kamala?
Without vilifying each other, and come into an agreement on what needs to happen, then I think we all can go down a better pathway.
So I spend my life each and every day making sure folks can create generational wealth with my company, Generational Green, and helping them become homeowners, helping them become business owners, giving them incentives, pouring back into the neighborhood and empowering them Because I know when I see someone own a home, they look at things differently.
Because I know when I bought my first home in a prestigious community, I knew when people was throwing trash on the street, I was like, whoa, whoa, hey, grab that.
Make sure you clean up your dog poop, you know?
Hey, I start coming outside on the porch to see what's going on in my community.
And I like to see that mindset shift.
When people are empowered and actually have something.
Well, to keep it brief, I feel like one of the best things that's happening right now in the political discussions is, even though we're still not talking enough about policy, people are finally becoming more comfortable asking questions and not being told what to think, especially in the black community, because for far too long, we were told that you have to think this way, you have to view things in this perspective.
And now we're finally starting to realize we have a lot more to add to this conversation.
So it's really important for us to be having these conversations.
Someone might be left.
I might be right.
But we are not enemies.
We are ultimately trying to look for the greater good of America.
So that's what I hope things really come down to in this election and in the next coming years.
But you can find me at Xavier.
It's a regular spelling.
It's X-A-V-I-A-E-R.
That's on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, and on Twitter.
