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July 5, 2024 - The Culture War - Tim Pool
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The Culture War #71 What Is A Conservative Woman? w/ Lilly Gaddis & Rachel Wilson

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tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, I hope you're having a wonderful Fourth of July weekend.
We've got a special episode of The Culture War here for you.
We're going to be talking about, well, I don't know how to describe it so much as perhaps the paradox of traditional women and conservative women online and all of the issues surrounding this.
The debate.
You've got a lot of these guys, I don't know if you'd call them red pillars or whatever, that have whole channels dedicated to why they don't like women.
They often get into debates with other women, but the interesting conversation there is prominent conservative women who advocate for traditional values, conservatism, but at the same time are unmarried, high-profile girlbosses who make millions of dollars seems to be a paradox.
I am not saying this intending to insult those women.
I'm saying, let's have a conversation about that.
So we got a couple of guests.
Would you like to introduce yourself first, Rachel?
rachel wilson
Yeah, sure.
I'm Rachel Wilson, author, researcher, homeschooling mom of five, and glad to be back on your show, Tim.
tim pool
Right on.
Should be fun.
And we have Lily hanging out.
lilly gaddis
Hi, I'm Lily Gaddis.
I just recently came into the spotlight for saying a naughty word.
So, here we are now, yep.
tim pool
And Alex Stein's hanging out.
alex stein
Pimp on a blimp.
And, you know, I just want to say, I love women, but they just did a study in that lesbians have the highest occurrence of migraines, which proves that dating women is fucking annoying.
tim pool
So, let's get into it.
It's like putting a microphone in front of a speaker, you know what I mean?
And the women are laughing too, that proves it.
alex stein
I think so.
No, but obviously I love women, I'm not a woman hater.
That's the other space, it's like there's the anti-woman...
That's the thing is, he doesn't really make fun of them.
husband is you know had a huge boost in his career basically going on these podcasts making fun of women and people love that you know people love that content which kind of blows my mind how much people like women to be made fun of well yeah that's the thing is he doesn't really make fun of them he simply asks questions that expose the fact that they don't know why they believe what they believe and they don't know why it is that they say the things that they say and do the things that they do so yeah that's like the newest popular thing that was like women saying dumb stuff on the internet
No offense, Lily.
I'm just saying, you know what I mean?
People do love those clips of whatever podcast where a woman's like, you know, I like my OnlyFans, and then they ask about their dad, and they're like, yeah, I've never had a dad in my life, and then it's like, boom, roasted, that's why you're on OnlyFans.
tim pool
But by saying, no offense, Lily.
It's like literally intending offense.
alex stein
Well, I mean, Lily's actually smart.
I've watched a lot of her stuff.
I'm not even hating on Lily, but it's funny how like people just love to see women say something and I'm a culture jammer and like a lot of people have made fun of you, Lily, but really and truly what you did is The biggest culture jam ever.
You took black culture and you said it as like a white, young, attractive woman.
And that's why I think that it was, you know, it was like so viral, right?
Because you're taking a culture that you're not allowed to say and you said it.
And that's why it works so well.
It's like me when I said, like, I love the Fouchy Ouchy.
Give it to me.
You know, you just kind of make something.
You lampoon them saying something like the word inward.
And it looks funny because it's a white girl delivering it.
lilly gaddis
Well, there's all these, like, bubbles of things that you can't talk about or things you can't say, and I think it's everybody's responsibility to go around and pop those.
We don't need that.
Those bubbles, that's like an infringement of free speech, ultimately.
tim pool
I think it's all deeply, deeply paradoxical.
You know, when it comes to the whole, like, N-word argument stuff, it's like, I come from a generation, you know, we don't say that because we're just trying to keep decorum, I guess.
There are some people that are like, you should be able to say a word, and it's like, yeah, I agree, like, descriptive use of words is totally fine, blah blah blah, but I try to maintain decorum, and so we don't need to create confrontation.
However, that being said, I challenge any liberal to go to a skate park.
Anywhere.
15 year old kids dropping n-bombs every other word.
And these are white kids, Latino kids, black kids, all to each other.
It does not mean what the older generation think it means to these kids.
And I'm not saying that's a good thing or bad thing, I'm just saying that's the reality.
Go to a skate park and listen to these kids talk to each other.
Because it's just, it just means dude.
rachel wilson
By making it a word you can't say, the younger generation of course like memed it and turned it into a cool thing to say.
tim pool
I don't think that's what it is to them.
I think maybe to, like, millennials on the internet, they were like, ah, we're gonna do it.
You know, that's the joke.
But if you go to a skate park, the 12-year-old kid is just saying, my dude.
That's literally what he's saying.
It's like, it doesn't mean anything to them.
lilly gaddis
Yeah, it's almost like we've taken the racial aspect.
Like, it's not even a racist word anymore.
At least the way I said it was not racist.
It was just like, like you said, dude.
tim pool
Yeah.
But, you know, going back to what you were saying, Alex.
There is a, what is it referred to, a cottage industry of hating women?
alex stein
Yes.
tim pool
And I was telling my girlfriend about this.
There exist channels that have no ethos, no ideology, and you know, we'll leave, there's a bunch of them, we'll leave them unnamed.
People can guess who they are.
And it's like, you ask these hosts, these guys, some of these women, what are your politics?
And they'll just defer, be like, well I'm not, you know, I don't, I'm just saying.
Because their whole thing is, I got a bunch of angry guys who watch me, and it feels good when we blame women for why they feel bad.
rachel wilson
Do you think that's reactionary to several decades of overwhelming feminist propaganda saying that men are toxic, masculinity is bad, that you can't act in a manly sort of way, and now public school systems also treating little boys like pariahs and giving them ADHD meds so they have to sit still and be quiet like the girls and just highlight things and organize stuff, right?
Like, we've criminalized masculinity to a degree and I completely agree.
feminism front and center and made it the air we breathe.
So I think there's just a lot of reaction.
I think it's a reactionary movement like a lot of the other ones that we're dealing with right now.
tim pool
I completely agree.
I'll tell you what it was like for me when I was younger.
You know, I consider myself smart enough not to single out individuals, you know, maybe it's because where I grew up in the city or whatever.
I'm not going to blame some individual for the actions of society or the group.
We want to change society.
But it's fascinating growing up being completely broke or being homeless.
I'm homeless when I'm 18.
Nobody will hire me.
And then, so when I'm 16 and I go to all of the businesses in my neighborhood, what job can a 16-year-old guy get, right?
I don't know.
Clerk at a candy shop?
Ice cream shop?
Grocery store?
Guess what?
They don't hire guys.
They just don't.
It's overwhelmingly, at least when I was growing up, you go to a grocery store and say, hi, I'm looking for a job.
Guess what?
You find all the cashiers are girls.
There are some boys, you know, I'm not saying they don't hire at all, but it was like 75-25.
All of the shelving and the facing, 75-25 girls.
I went to Baskin Robbins and I'm like, I need a job.
Everyone there is a girl.
When I turn 18, what job can I get?
Manual labor?
Yes.
It pays nothing.
My friend's sister comes home one day, we're playing video games, it's like 11 o'clock, and she's got 200 and some odd dollars in cash.
And my friend's like, he was like, oh, how much did you make today?
And she's like, oh, like 230.
And then he was like, oh, wow.
And then I was like, you made $230 in one day?
She's a server at a pizza restaurant.
And I was just like, I just worked 11 hours.
I lifted 50,000 pounds and I got paid $40.
So, it gets really frustrating then, when all of that stuff is around you for these entry-level jobs, and then you are told it's your fault, you're the problem, and you have all the privilege in society.
That being said, you know, when you start getting older, guys start getting older, it starts to flip.
It inverts.
And, for whatever reason.
And then women start complaining about it.
So, you know, my thesis on this is, Society, because of like evolution and biology, all that, values women at young ages, obviously, because having babies.
Men have no value because they have no skills to provide, to protect or, you know, protect a family or generate value and resources.
So if you look at the scientific research, you see that a social value of men starts at the bottom and for women starts at the top.
But what happens at 28 years old?
They meet.
This is where women are going, Hey, this is BS.
My life is getting worse.
And men are going, Hey, things aren't so bad.
rachel wilson
Yeah.
alex stein
No, I agree.
You know, once I hit 30, my life did actually get better.
But, you know, I also think the, and I guess this is different than the point you're trying to make, but to what Rachel was saying, when it comes to men and women, the digitization or the digitalization, I don't know what the word for it, the dating pool, I think that's what's making it so hard to make connections because we said this last night on your show.
The dating apps are so toxic and superficial where people are just swiping and the girls get hit up way more than the guys so it kind of makes men Mad at women.
I don't know how else to describe it because they're sending all these messages and women are playing them.
These women are getting like so many more messages.
So I think like dating and this dating world that we have this modern dating world is why men are starting to hate women so much.
And I think that's why men like that content where women get lampooned.
tim pool
Yeah, I think it's a lot of what you were just saying, but also, so all of these things combine and then you'll get a guy who has got a frustration for one reason or another and then a YouTube channel pops up where they're like, did you know women be dumb?
And the guy's like, yeah, you know what I mean?
And it's like, people got to get out into the real world.
You got to, you got to go that, you know, you're talking about these dating apps and this is, this is, this is why they made Bumble.
Women on Tinder, they open their mailbox or inbox or whatever it's called and 17,000 messages and they just scroll through and look for a guy who's got an attractive picture and then hit it and see what he says and then respond.
Men swipe on every single woman.
They don't care what she looks like and cross their fingers that one of them swipes back.
rachel wilson
Yeah.
I think we do have a gynocentric social order right now, which we did not have for all of prior history.
And to have things so radically inverted in less than a century, it's not surprising to me that psychologically people don't know how to deal with that and can't keep up with it.
And it's just everything about daily life is so radically different due to this massive wave of feminist propaganda that started late 60s, The CIA funded and pushed a lot of it through the Congress for Cultural Freedom, through Operation Mockingbird.
tim pool
Were they pushed feminism through Mockingbird?
rachel wilson
Yes, they absolutely did.
Gloria Steinem was recruited out of Smith College to push the feminist agenda, and they used CIA money to fund Ms.
Magazine and a number of other pop culture phenomenons that came out of the 70s, like the Stepford Wives movie and the Mary Tyler Moore show, a lot of this kind of stuff.
It was to kind of convince suburban average American women that being at home, being a mom, having babies was like oppressive and holding you back and don't you want to go out and have a career and have an exciting life?
tim pool
What's the reason for that?
rachel wilson
So there's a bunch of reasons for that.
One is the Rockefellers had just created gender studies departments.
tim pool
Okay, why?
rachel wilson
So in an effort to liberalize the West, separate it and set it apart from the Soviet Union was a big reason why the CIA was behind it.
It was part of a larger culture creation effort from the CIA.
tim pool
To make us more communist?
rachel wilson
No, to make us more liberalized.
tim pool
So they don't... Like they're going in the direction of communism.
rachel wilson
Well, that's what ended up happening because Nelson Rockefeller chose Sandra Harding to push feminist epistemology.
Standpoint theory is what it's called.
It's kind of the root of all the critical theory stuff that permeates the universities now.
But the reason they liked it was because you can use standpoint theory, which says there is no objective truth.
There's no objective timeline of history.
We can kind of create it to be whatever we want.
So that's how you get this transgender stuff.
You get a lot of these, uh, everything is a social construct, very Marxist, but the Rockefellers liked it because you can use it in whatever direction you want.
So they don't really care about capitalism versus communism or West versus East, they care more about propaganda, mind control, and pushing public opinion in whatever direction they need to.
That's why you'll see, like, you talk all the time about how the left and right are so different now than they were even 20 years ago.
Like, the pro-war version, you know, of the liberal left is now what the right is saying, you know.
tim pool
Or the anti-war.
rachel wilson
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Former anti-war, but people moved over.
rachel wilson
Right, right.
But it just makes everything so fluid and easy to push around.
And they wanted the other really obvious reason to push feminism is you get all the women out of the home and into the workforce, you have twice as many incomes to tax.
You have kids that are in daycares and state run schools where you can give children the values and the history that you want to give them.
tim pool
I don't think the tax thing, the double taxation thing is is correct, because if you have singular income homes, the buying power you're taxing is the same.
And so it just led to rapid inflation.
It strained the workforce.
I love this.
There's this graph that lefties like to show, where it's like right around the end of the 70s, you see inflation keep going up, but wages stay the same.
And they're like, what was this all about?
This is because they were going after unions.
And it's like, no, that's when women entered the workforce.
Competition among workers doubled.
And that's going to depress wages.
Guaranteed.
rachel wilson
Why do you think suddenly in the 1970s we saw this huge number of women enter the workforce?
Like they just organically decided they loved careerism?
Or do you think it had something to do with all the propaganda telling them that you need to have an education and have your own money because if you don't you're vulnerable and your husband can abuse you?
tim pool
But we have to get a bit more reductive because while what you're saying is absolutely true, where does this come from?
And I blame men.
Weak men.
Men are weak.
Men continually grow weak.
And an element of what's going on with the feminism... I'll mention a lot of what we're seeing is really, really bad.
Like, no-fault divorce.
It just basically meant marriage is over.
It's like, you're dating now.
That's it.
You're dating with a special placard from the government, but you can just leave at any moment.
That's ridiculous.
And these are bad things.
You know, all these guys that are watching these anti-women channel, like, I, you know, I try not to be a dick to people who want to figure out how to better their lives.
Like, if I see a guy going to the gym, I'm going to tell him, like, and he's fat and he's overweight or whatever and he's struggling, I'm going to be like, bro, you got this.
You know what I mean?
So I see these guys who are watching these channels and part of me is just like, That's stupid.
But I'm not gonna hand on a guy who's actively investigating.
They may not understand completely, but they're like, why is this thing happening?
But I'll just put it this way.
Part of what we're seeing is actually good.
You know why?
Weak men will fail, and they deserve to fail.
And I will mock their failure.
alex stein
Well, what about Acolyte?
Star Wars sucks.
I mean, this does suck.
tim pool
Now watch it.
And where are the strong men to lift the burdens and the heavy rocks to make good stuff?
So here's what I'm saying.
You've got a bunch of guys that are sitting online Overweight.
And again, I'm not making fun of everybody's overweight, saying everybody's overweight is a failure.
I'm saying you've got guys who are not trying to better themselves, who are not trying to exercise, who are not cleaning the Cheetos off their mustache, who aren't... Hey, Tim.
That's right, I'm looking at you, Alex.
They're not wiping their armpits.
alex stein
You know that I do eat a lot of Cheetos and stuff, yes.
Tim knows that.
tim pool
What we're seeing right now is...
For one, we can go back 100 years, 200 years, and talk about suffrage and it was weak men across the board who kept bending the knee and could not maintain social order.
They just gave up.
But I look at today and I'm like, well, look, it's interesting.
Maybe what's happening needs to happen.
This is natural selection.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
A society has emerged because men became weaker and weaker.
They could not provide for what women wanted, and they could not provide stability in social order.
And now you have these fractured systems where young men sit around complaining on the internet, removing themselves from the dating pool, complaining they can't get in.
Meanwhile, I know dudes who are swimming in women, and they're short.
And they're wealthy.
Because these guys are like, here are the cards I'm holding in my hand, I am going to figure out how to maximize my capabilities with this.
If, you know, you look at the...
A lot of these channels like to highlight these dating apps where women, they only want the top 20th percentile of attractive men, and so that means 80% of men are just out of the dating pool.
And I look at that and I'm like, sucks for you, I guess, dude.
I don't know how many times you gotta read Jordan Peterson's book to figure out you don't just get to exist and get a woman.
Like, you know, there was one I was watching, um, I'm gonna shout him out, Homaf.
Because credit goes to him, despite the fact I'm being so... Right.
rachel wilson
I like his work, is what I'm saying.
tim pool
He shows the 10 through 1 men and women, and how women go up.
A woman who is a 1 wants a man who's a 4.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And I'm like, well, first of all, I don't think a woman who's a 1 is getting anybody.
And, like...
rachel wilson
They shockingly do.
alex stein
That's not true.
Wait, wait.
I have to cut you off, Tim.
rachel wilson
Yeah, they shockingly do.
alex stein
Well, if you've watched my- They shockingly do.
Let me make this point.
If you've ever watched my 600-lb Life, there's literally 600-lb women.
They always have a boyfriend.
unidentified
No, no, no.
alex stein
They always have a boyfriend on that show.
tim pool
No, see, a 600-lb woman is like a four.
lilly gaddis
What is it, one?
Like a burn victim?
tim pool
No, burn victims can be nines.
For real.
Like, being subjected to a horrific accident doesn't reduce your value.
lilly gaddis
Yeah, I know, but looks-wise.
rachel wilson
Yeah, we're talking about looks, aren't we?
How do you rate?
Oh, you're doing total value.
tim pool
Yeah, total marketing.
Total dating value.
So, women have babies.
That means it's very, very hard to be a one woman.
- That's true. - Right, so a one woman is like a barren, mentally deficient, limbless autist in a nursing home.
And to be fair, there are men who will abuse that poor creature, you know what I mean?
So, even in that regard, but my point to Home Math was like, men are not ranked based on appearance.
If you're a guy and you think that your number rating is based on appearance, you've not done any of the reading.
Right.
The Science of Sex documentary from a long time ago, they took pictures of 10, no, I think it was like 100 men and 100 women, and then they had people come in a lab and rate them on a scale of 1 to 10 for attractiveness.
They then took those pictures out into the streets and said, here's a picture, went to a woman and said, here's a picture of a guy.
How would you rate this guy on a scale of one to 10?
Guess what?
The tall guy in the flannel with the rugged good looks and the wavy hair, they were like, nine, 10, ooh, nine.
And then they did, they showed this frumpy, chubby guy with thin hair and glasses and, you know, ugly.
And the women were like, ooh, five, four.
Then they added biographies.
They made the guy in the flannel a manager at a theater who made $35,000 a year.
They made the fat guy a software engineer who made half a million a year.
And guess what happened?
unidentified
It flipped.
tim pool
Yeah.
It evened out.
rachel wilson
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
So now all of a sudden the frumpy ugly guy is a six or a seven.
And it's like, you gotta be kidding me.
That ugly guy, he's rich.
He can provide.
And so men get mad at women for being gold diggers.
And I'm just like, that's the stupidest thing in the world.
lilly gaddis
Well, that's like what we were designed for.
These people, they always contradict themselves with their logic.
Like, they want women to be a stay-at-home mom or whatever.
But in order to do that, you gotta have somebody who at least can bring in enough money to make that possible.
You know, like, I feel like women are mostly... Women don't really care about... I don't really care about looks so much.
You're just looking more for somebody who's competent.
You feel like, okay, you're going to be, you're somebody I can actually trust.
Like you've got your, you know, you've got it together.
You can lead the family.
And then somebody who has the ability to work or will work.
It's not really so much the money.
It's the ability.
Will you go out and work?
So I don't think throwing, I think throwing women under the bus for that is kind of stupid because it's ultimately like biology forcing them to, to choose somebody based on, you know, we think this person can allow me to stay at home and raise kids.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
A lot of guys who— If anything, it's traditional.
tim pool
Right.
A lot of guys who aren't going to do the work.
I saw this meme on 4chan.
It's a viral 4chan meme.
Green text memes, if you've ever seen them.
And it was a picture of that—was it Hamish and Andy?
I think the comedians were.
I'm not sure.
Remember that one, Alex, where they're like, are we the baddies?
Yeah, of course, yeah.
It was that picture.
And then he's like, my friend came and started complaining about this girl.
He started saying like, you know, she has been like, she's like a gold digger.
She's snooty.
She's elitist.
He asked her out and she refused.
And she's instead, she decided to date, uh, date some loser guy.
And then he was like, Oh wow.
He's like, yeah, I hear that a lot.
So he says, I decided to look up who this guy was.
And he's like, he's an athlete.
He's fit.
He's six feet tall.
He works at a charity helping children.
And then he was like, my friend is obese, lazy.
Doesn't want to go to work, won't wash himself, and he was like, I think we're the bad guys.
Like, yeah, like, evolutionary biology and psychology.
Women want to find a guy who's going to protect them from a bear.
Are you that guy?
rachel wilson
Well, I think the problem we have now is that's great if women do have, like Lily said, the intention of being moms, having kids, and they want a man to provide because they're going to have a family.
But the issue we've run into now is that that's not what most women want to do.
The average woman is having like 1.6 children now.
The average first age they have a baby is like 30 or 31.
alex stein
What's the average body count, Rachel?
You probably know.
rachel wilson
Oh, it varies so much depending on what surveys you look at.
It could be like, some of them say like eight, some of them say a lot higher.
I think it's probably higher because- It's higher.
unidentified
They're all lying.
alex stein
They lie.
rachel wilson
We all know that they lie.
So I don't know about the body count, but it's just like, if women wanted those things from men for the purpose of having a family, I think that's fine.
But sadly, they don't seem to want to do that.
So now it's, or they wait until they're like 35 and they're like, well, now I want to have a child.
And as a result the United States for the first time has a rising maternal mortality rate due to the advanced age of first pregnancy and pregnancies in general.
So it's like we're kind of at this weird impasse where if women want men for resources but you're also a career boss babe who has her own money and you got your own bag and you don't need a man for anything then You can see why dating isn't working for people.
tim pool
We should teach the history of Sparta in our homeschools.
alex stein
Or just watch the movie Idiocracy.
Have you seen that movie?
tim pool
Of course.
alex stein
At the very beginning, why everybody's getting stupid because, you know, all the idiots are just having babies and then the people that are smart and that, you know, don't want to waste their money only have one baby.
And that's literally what's happening in society today.
And it's just Venezuelan immigrants having like 10 kids to come up to the border.
And, you know, Tim and I would not have 10 kids, you know?
It's different.
tim pool
You know what they did in Sparta, right?
Do you guys know about what they did in Sparta?
rachel wilson
With the babies?
tim pool
How they would, like... Well, I don't know.
I've heard that they would leave the baby out for 24 hours, and if it died, it deserved to die.
They're like, it was not strong!
alex stein
Yeah.
tim pool
They would just, like, leave it and walk away.
But I'm not saying do that.
The only way to get a headstone on your grave, if you were a man, was to die in battle, and if you were a woman, was to die in childbirth.
And the reason I bring that up is not that we should literally follow that, but it's to show how a society valued having children.
Women were seen as heroic warriors for having children.
Men were worthless unless they died fighting to protect their families.
And then what we have now is, I blame men.
Because I think you said this last time you were on the show, that equality—you said something like, equality is the choice of men if at any point men decided—do you want to elaborate on that?
rachel wilson
Yeah, yeah.
Because men have the monopoly on force, any notion of women's rights is going to have to be enforced by men.
So any illusion we have that women have rights is men saying, yes, we'll go ahead and enforce those rights for you.
And you're right.
I mean, if you look, if you read my book, Uh it was like progressive era industrialist men who tend to be like your beta type of guys.
alex stein
Gay men is what you're trying to say.
rachel wilson
Well they just they tend to be so like think of Bill Gates right not the most alpha dude but very smart became very successful and wealthy and rich and it's kind of it becomes revenge of the nerds to a certain degree I think where it's like they For that type of guy, it's advantageous to have women's liberation because that's how those guys, at least they thought, were going to get this sex with no strings attached if we do this sexual liberation stuff.
And what they are finding out is that's not the good deal that they thought it was.
tim pool
But for a lot of guys it is.
For the top 20th percentile, they're getting free sex whenever they want with no responsibility.
And feminism has greatly benefited a lot of guys, like the top 20%.
Now, they can sit around all day doing nothing while women go work and produce value and do labor, come back, Preach about how liberated they are, give the guy free sex, and then the guy says, why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?
rachel wilson
Ironic, isn't it?
Isn't it a little ironic?
tim pool
Look at this.
I asked ChatGPT.
The average body count for a woman between 25 and 44 is 4.2, and for men it's 6.1.
And you know what that means?
Fewer guys are having more sex.
rachel wilson
Yes, absolutely.
And you have this giant bottom-of-the-pyramid group of guys, like you said at the beginning, who are feeling left out and like they're never gonna get a girl.
tim pool
And they're gonna burn the place to the ground.
rachel wilson
Yeah.
Well, the situation in general is not sustainable for like multiple reasons.
You have the conversation you guys had last week about how all these girls thinking jumping on OnlyFans and making money that way is a good thing, but it's having every girl be an Instagram model or a sex worker produces no actual value.
There's nothing of value being actually produced in the economy.
It's just money that's getting recycled from people who actually are producers.
And combined with the super low birth rates, we're already seeing like logistical problems, supply chain problems.
You have Japan and Canada, you know, euthanizing the elderly because there's more people in diapers that are old than young.
It's not a sustainable situation and the correction is gonna suck.
There's multiple ways it could happen, but none of it's gonna be fun.
alex stein
Wait, is there assisted suicide in Japan?
I didn't even realize that.
Is that big in Japan?
No, in Canada they started doing it in Japan.
Is that big too?
tim pool
I don't know about assisted suicide in Japan, but they have honorific suicide.
alex stein
Yeah, I know.
It's a big deal there.
They have the forest where they hang themselves too, right?
tim pool
Yeah, that's crazy.
alex stein
It is wild.
tim pool
You know, just imagine how wild it's going to be because Korea, South Korea's birth rate is 0.8.
Yes.
rachel wilson
0.78.
0.78.
Wow.
0.78.
So the average Korean woman isn't even replacing herself.
tim pool
That means there will come a time where you'll go to Korea and there will be abandoned cities.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because there's not going to be the labor force to maintain a system like that.
Japan, too.
alex stein
They can get as many Venezuelans as they want.
tim pool
I mean, we should just send all of them over to South Korea, you know what I mean?
Like, they occupy it anyway.
That's the one country I can pretend to be concerned about.
Because, you know, everyone's got their exception for foreign aid, so I'll choose South Korea.
But we can also send all these people to Ukraine, you know?
Have them go to war there.
alex stein
Oh gosh.
rachel wilson
Well, this kind of brings up our question about like, okay, if we're going to have women in conservative or right-wing media, like, is that a paradox?
How does that work?
And I think it is something of a paradox to have, like, you look at the TPUSA Women's Leadership Summits that they have, right?
It's all these boss babe ladies and they're having a leadership summit.
Or like, this was one of my big criticisms of Trump.
He and his daughter had this huge program to get moms back to work.
And I was like, Why?
Why do we want all the moms to be at work?
What are you doing?
And so this push to like, moms have to work and moms need to be leaders and entrepreneurs and business people.
Why are we doing that?
And especially why are we doing that on the conservative right?
That that would be my question.
I don't know what you guys think about that.
I mean, I think that's good if it's bad.
alex stein
Well this is the one thing it's like women in the workforce I do think that obviously some women just want to be a stay-at-home mom but some women want to work you know I mean I don't think it's just all feminism I mean I think that plays a big part of it right but don't some women want to do something like artists creative types like you work technically right?
rachel wilson
Yeah, now, at 43, after I already raised five kids.
unidentified
Well, I'm just saying, but you enjoy... But I stayed home to take care of the kids.
alex stein
Of course, but Rachel, I know you.
You get a lot of joy from writing books.
You get joy from doing podcasts like this.
unidentified
Sure.
alex stein
So, and this is probably, most traditional women are not doing what you're doing.
They're probably not writing books.
They're probably not putting themselves out there online.
So, it's like, it's kind of a weird situation where, of course, you just want to be tried and stay at home, but at the same time, you do get joy from grinding and working.
So...
rachel wilson
I see that's the thing I really don't the grinding stuff that's what I could be doing a lot more and everybody's like why isn't your YouTube bigger and why don't you post more and why don't you do more and I'm like because I still have two kids that are teenagers so they don't need a ton as much time as they did when they were little But there's still the priority.
And so is my husband.
Taking care of my husband is a priority.
I assist him with everything he's doing first.
And this is like my side thing that I do when I do have time.
And sometimes there will be two months where I don't have time for it.
So it just doesn't get done.
alex stein
The only reason I say that is my mom never worked and she hated working and I kind of wish my mom did work a little bit so she had some fun and did something because she just dealt with me.
rachel wilson
What is working fun?
alex stein
I don't know if you do something you love it can be fun like I love my job thank God but I'm just saying I'm not saying all women should work but I don't think that if a woman wants to have a career that is a bad thing.
rachel wilson
But my problem is moms.
Like, if you're a mom, you already have a career.
You already have a full-time job.
Raising a child is not a part-time nights and weekends gig.
You cannot do it that way.
And if you do, something's gonna take a hit at home.
alex stein
That's true.
I do agree with that.
lilly gaddis
I would say, like, the thing is, it's kind of a rock and a hard place for, like, the single people.
Like, we're not talking about moms right now.
Like, what are you supposed to do if you don't find a good guy who even wants to get married?
Because, like, My, like whenever I went to college, you first of all, you get really excited like freshman year because you're like, man I'm gonna like get a boyfriend and then I'll get a husband because that's what you're raised thinking.
You always think you're gonna find your person there and then you quickly realize that first freshman year, ooh, people don't want to date.
They don't, definitely don't want to get married.
So then, you know, you graduate, you get a job.
It's even harder, like dating apps are weird.
Like you're not gonna find anybody quality on there.
So, what are you supposed to do?
Pay and handle?
You have to work.
You have bills.
rachel wilson
This is what I think a lot of the problem is.
lilly gaddis
I don't know how to fix that.
rachel wilson
I think we raise women and we tell them, focus the first 18 years of your life on getting good grades so you can get into a good school because you have to go to college.
I was told this all the time growing up.
You're going to go to college.
You have to go to college.
You're a loser if you don't go to college.
You've got to get a degree and you've got to have a career.
And so we tell women to do that, right?
And then they go to college.
They spend four to six years.
They get an average of $40,000 in debt.
They're 22 to 24 by the time they graduate.
And then you have to establish your career.
You didn't just spend 23 years of your life to suddenly stay home.
So it's like, well, I got to establish my career.
So they spend the next five to 10 years doing that.
And then we expect them at 30, 32, 35 years old to suddenly flip a switch, hurry up and get married, and have a buzzer beater baby at the last second.
And transition to staying home.
And that's super difficult for women on multiple levels, and it leads to a low birth rate, and it leads to a lot of women never getting married.
alex stein
I gotta make this one point too, because I know you're gonna get in.
Why are buzzer beater babies bad?
Aren't they good?
rachel wilson
I know, because I've had a lot of- They're better than nothing!
unidentified
That's what I'm saying!
alex stein
Everybody's making fun of buzzer beater babies.
I'm like, isn't that good?
They beat the- a buzzer beater shot's the best shot in the game!
rachel wilson
I would, I would rather you have any babies at all over no babies.
Absolutely.
But I think we give people backwards advice.
I think women should be focusing their fertile years on building their family.
And then once you're done with that, if you want to go off and do other things and have a career, I have friends who spent time while they were, you know, raising their kids to go to school very part time so that when the kids got much older and were about to leave, mom had a degree by then.
And then if she wanted to go do something, you know, in the workplace, she could.
tim pool
I know, uh, I knew a couple people, and I'll keep the specifics for their privacy private, but these two people worked in the same career field, man and a woman, same age, they were friends, and they worked in entertainment.
The woman got pregnant and decided she wanted to have a kid in her early 20s, and the guy kept working.
10 years later, she's got a 10-year-old daughter.
Her career is exactly where it was when she got pregnant.
She had a kid.
She tried to keep up with it.
Dude was running his own company with dozens of clients, and she was salty about it.
She was jealous.
She was like, I had a kid, and now this guy is doing all these really, really amazing things.
And my response to her was just like, why are you mad?
That's what life is.
Like, there will never be Equality between men and women.
Thank you.
Legal equality?
No, no, of course, of course.
Civil equality?
No, no, no, no problem.
I still don't believe that'll happen, but that can be written down.
That's different.
But the idea that a man and a woman who are identical in every single way, and they're working at a FedEx, right?
All they gotta do is stack papers and ship them out.
Anybody can do that job.
It's a no-brainer job.
And then, both decide at 22, hey, we want to have kids.
The woman says, I must take time off of work to have kids.
The guy says, my wife's pregnant at home.
That's it.
The fact that women have kids means, even if the woman works through her entire pregnancy, and only takes off the minimal amount of time, which is what, a couple weeks?
rachel wilson
Yeah, at least.
tim pool
At least a couple weeks, yeah.
I'm saying, like, the extreme minimum.
rachel wilson
Yeah, two weeks.
tim pool
The extreme minimum that still two weeks the man does not have to take off.
rachel wilson
Right.
tim pool
Now, I do think guys should take time off to help their wife with their kids, you know what I mean?
But this imbalance means that there are a lot of women, especially now with our degenerate society, where a guy will get a woman pregnant and be like, I ain't doing nothing for you, and leave.
And the woman's gonna be like, I have to, I can't do anything, I have a kid and I'm not getting rid of it.
rachel wilson
Well, I think we should do something more like what Sparta did, at least, like, again.
tim pool
Put the babies in the woods?
rachel wilson
Not put the babies in the woods.
Maybe not you only get a headstone if you die in childbirth, OK?
Maybe not that extreme.
But, like, to venerate motherhood and hold it in as high regard and not say, because I had this happen to me.
I had people that, when I had my first child at 20, were like, oh, it's such a shame.
Rachel's life is over.
It's over for her.
She'll never recover.
She'll never be anything now.
It's such a shame.
She's so smart, and she's just going to be a mom.
And I was like, excuse me, but if I went and got some great job, they're going to replace me the day after I die.
Me having five children that I raise well is going to have a ripple effect into the future that I can't even quantify.
Why do you think that's not worthy what me having a job is?
tim pool
I think this would be a great bit for like Seamus Colligan Freedom Tunes.
It's like a woman on her deathbed, surrounded by all of her children and grandchildren.
It's this room full of people.
And she goes, I wish.
I got a better job and didn't have any of you!
unidentified
Yes, exactly.
tim pool
Like, never gonna happen.
Never gonna happen.
Chelsea Handler is gonna be crying her eyes out when she's alone in her cold, sterile hospital bed.
lilly gaddis
But, like, people are trendy, you know?
They go along with, like, you were saying, you know, my mom had five kids and people always, like, gave her shit.
Like, oh, how do you support your husband?
Like, you're almost shamed for not working, you know?
And then you're weird if you've got a lot of kids.
So, the way to fix that is you, A, Like you were saying men have to take responsibility and actually want that because a lot of guys now like definitely don't want to stay at home mom like they expect you to work you know like we got to fix that and then we also have to like fix the the culture to where it's not where it's a good thing like you were saying you have to venerate the housewife that has to be a good thing not an embarrassing shameful oh you're some like hick in the woods with ten kids.
tim pool
I got this great list here for all the feminists.
We can rag on feminists.
You guys like doing that, right?
I do.
Here are the top jobs held by women in the U.S.
ranked by the highest percentage of women in those roles.
Preschool and kindergarten teachers, 97% women.
Speech-language pathologists, 96% women.
Dental hygienists, 95%.
Childcare workers, 94%.
Medical records and technicians, 93%.
Secretaries, 92%.
unidentified
Nurses, 90%.
tim pool
Uh, vocational nurses, 89.
Elementary school teachers, 81.
Human resource specialists, 70%.
Oh, heaven help us.
Now, among men.
90% of carpenters are men.
90% of automotive service technicians, electricians, construction laborers, truck drivers, plumbers, pipefitters, steamfitters, machinists, software developers, general maintenance, and first-line supervisors of production and operating workers.
84% men.
Yes.
You can see the polarization.
Now, here's the best part.
I said list the jobs with the highest rate of mortality with a percentage of men and women in that job.
Logging workers, 135.9 deaths per 100,000, 97% men.
135.9 deaths per 100,000, 97% men.
Fishing and hunting workers, 86 deaths per 100,000, 98% men.
Aircraft pilots, 95% men.
Roofers, 99% men.
Refuse collectors, 95% men.
Drivers and truck drivers, 94%.
Farmers and ranchers, 92%.
Structural and steel workers, 99%.
Construction laborers, 96%.
Ground maintenance, 95%.
All of the top 10 jobs with the highest mortality rank, from highest mortality to lowest, only in the top 10, are all 95 plus percent male jobs.
alex stein
Yes.
Uh, I don't want a woman flying my plane.
I don't know if that's racist or not.
Or sexist.
tim pool
No, it's racist!
lilly gaddis
I flew here and I saw a woman in the cockpit and I was like, Lord help us.
alex stein
You had a female pilot?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
alex stein
I mean, I wouldn't mind if it's a transgen- She's real chatty, too, on the...
No, well, see, a male-to-female transgender pilot I would feel more comfortable with than probably just a woman.
No, I don't know.
Like, you were talking about Turning Point USA earlier, too, and I guess that was to my point where, you know, maybe it's like they're not giving the right leadership advice, but I would argue I think they are giving the right leadership advice because, I guess, different strokes for different folks.
I don't think there is one angle or one lifestyle that fits everybody.
unidentified
So that's why, I mean, that's why... Yeah, but that just sounds like mumbo-jumbo.
alex stein
Does it?
rachel wilson
Yeah, it really does.
Like, oh, just different strokes for different folks.
Yeah, to a certain degree.
But there's only one group that can have babies.
And we need women to do that.
unidentified
Like, when I say we need them to... So you think they should go up there and be like, just get pregnant, women.
alex stein
That's all you can do is have a baby.
That's all you're worth is just pooping out babies.
rachel wilson
Well, what's wrong with that?
alex stein
Pooping out babies?
rachel wilson
There's nothing worth being...
alex stein
No, I'm saying there's nothing else in life other than that.
rachel wilson
For a woman, that should be your primary objective.
Absolutely.
It should be the center of your life, and it always has been through all of history until the last 30, 40 years.
alex stein
Well, I'm not saying women shouldn't have babies.
rachel wilson
Women are the only people who can do it, right?
alex stein
I'm not saying women shouldn't have babies, but I just think that, you know... Why?
rachel wilson
Just preference?
You prefer for women to be able to do stuff?
alex stein
No, I'm just saying women, if their main goal is to be having babies, they should.
If their main goal is to be writing books or being content creators, they can do that too.
rachel wilson
Men don't have the luxury of just like, follow your goals and your dreams.
alex stein
That's what I'm trying to do.
I believe people should follow their goals.
rachel wilson
Well, Tim just pulled up what women do for jobs, and fun fact, it's almost the exact same stuff they were doing a hundred years ago, before suffrage.
It's almost the same list.
I think the CDC has a page with the top 20 careers that women had in 1920, super similar.
Some of the names of the occupations have changed a little bit, and the main thing is they swapped farm labor for HR work.
That's kind of the main trade-off.
tim pool
It's literally the same thing.
rachel wilson
It's the same thing.
So now women are doing... Laundresses.
Women are choosing to do the same things they did prior to Women's Lib only now we get to pay for daycare to have some other random lady raise our baby while we work our retail job and we get to pay income tax and we get to finance a second vehicle and pay insurance on it so like the cost of mothers working versus what they actually bring home not such a great ratio not a very smart way to do things and it has had an effect on men's wages to some degree to have like this more gynocentric economy.
Aaron Clary has a great book that he just wrote about the effect of this female-centered economy and what the ramifications are.
alex stein
So, I mean-- - It's a self-correcting force though. - Well, this is the point I guess I'm trying to make is obviously I think women, it's so important that they do get pregnant and have babies.
But in the black community, we've created a system where women get rewarded for having babies out of wedlock.
And so they're just having babies just to get more social services.
And in that sense, I don't think that's great.
I don't think that's smart.
tim pool
I don't necessarily agree with that entirely.
The highest rates of abortion are in the black community.
alex stein
Yeah, but I know that might be a stat, but I know a lot of black people, I feel like they never get abortions.
rachel wilson
But out of wedlock births and welfare spending, if you plot them on a graph from 1960 to now, they go up like this in tandem with each other.
And why do we have so many out of wedlock births?
Because feminism pushed Birth control, abortion, no-fault divorce, sex out of wedlock as liberation.
Hey ladies, you should be having sex outside of marriage because that's freeing, it's liberating, you should be like the guys, you should stack bodies.
We wouldn't have that if it wasn't for feminism.
alex stein
And that's why there's so many OnlyFans, though, is because there's not that nuclear family, and so these women have daddy issues, and so that's where they want to get their gratification by showing their boobs on there.
rachel wilson
I mean, it's daddy issues, but it's also attention.
They love the dopamine hit of the attention.
Yes, there you go.
tim pool
This is Chet GPT.
I'm a big fan.
When you said plot a graph of welfare spending and out-of-wedlock births, I said do that.
It did it since 1980 to 2015.
Take a look at that.
rachel wilson
Me vindicated again.
Look at that.
unidentified
That's wild.
alex stein
And I want to say I'm pro-life.
I'm happy all of these black single women had babies.
I'm not saying that.
But it's just there is a thing where just having babies just to get more social services or something, it seems kind of counterintuitive.
rachel wilson
But that's not what I'm advocating at all.
I'm saying venerate motherhood.
I'm saying encourage people.
Make it shameful to have out-of-wedlock babies.
unidentified
I got it.
rachel wilson
Make it shameful to get divorced just because you wanted to find yourself.
I'm on a journey.
I got to discover myself.
So sorry kids, daddy's gone.
Mommy's gonna run off with Mr. Johnson because he makes her feel sexy.
That's the shit that needs to end.
tim pool
I got an idea.
It's an award ceremony and it's called The Mommies.
rachel wilson
There you go.
tim pool
And it is categories of best moms and the moms come on stage and get awards.
rachel wilson
They kind of did that in the Soviet Union.
So in the Soviet Union, the Bolsheviks made abortion legal and paid for in state hospitals for the first time in world history.
And it got so bad that within less than 20 years, they had three abortions for every one live birth.
And Stalin came to power and said, we got to Put the brakes on this.
unidentified
Wow.
rachel wilson
They had just had a war.
They had just had a famine.
And he was like, we're going to get wiped out.
So they actually created a program to give medals to women who had more than like five babies or something like that.
You got like a presidential medal of honor for being a mother of a bunch of kids.
So we, I mean, you can do a bunch of stuff.
tim pool
You could do like, uh, the mom with the most babies, you know, every year wins.
And it's like, Cheryl has, you know, Octomom.
alex stein
Do you remember Octomom?
tim pool
Right.
No, but I mean like so it's like it could be the same mom every year because she's cranking out a baby every nine months or whatever and it's like Cheryl once again with her seventh year in a row of having babies and they're all Irish twins like just endless she's working it but no you could do stuff like the success of the children success of the community so it's like a mom who raised kids and like does soccer practice or something and helped you know
rachel wilson
He runs the homeschool co-op.
tim pool
Right, right.
And in this co-op we've seen testing rates hit the 99th percentile among all of the kids and everyone's clapping and cheering.
alex stein
I mean, I'm not trying to throw salt on this, but what a boring award show.
I mean, who wants to watch the mommies?
Women.
Would you watch the mommies?
unidentified
I would!
rachel wilson
Hell yeah!
tim pool
All women would.
You know why?
rachel wilson
I'd be in there competing.
tim pool
Because women watch what TikTok tells them to watch.
Because women are social.
Women are subjective.
Men are objective.
The focus of most men is object-oriented.
The focus of most women is subject-oriented.
My favorite example of this is... I don't want to pull it up, but...
There's the meme where a guy takes a picture of a thing, a woman takes a picture of herself in front of the thing.
rachel wilson
Right.
tim pool
Because women care about people and men care about things.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And you can call that good or bad.
I think it's neutral.
rachel wilson
Yeah.
tim pool
There's a good reason why guys are interested in solving the puzzle and accomplishing the goal.
It benefits society.
And there's a very good reason why women care about people.
You need to care about people and you make them, right?
So, you know, I think if you made the mommies and then Instagram made that a pop-up in everyone's feed, women would love it.
They would take their cues from what society deemed positive and effective.
So a good example of this is the young teenage girls who developed Tourette syndrome.
Did you guys hear this story?
rachel wilson
Yes.
tim pool
They were on Instagram watching this prominent TikTok.
She had Tourette's and so the millions of young girl followers were watching her and developed Tourette's syndrome by watching her because women are social creatures.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
More so than men.
Men are too, but...
rachel wilson
Women are very easily propagandized.
It's one of the things they kind of found out through like MKUltra when they were looking at, you know, all the data that came out of that.
Women are very easy.
There's like this top little percentage and a bottom little percentage of women that are like super easy to propagandize and like almost impossible.
But most women are in that middle group.
Where, yeah, whatever they see repeated all the time is what they believe about the world, which is why your friend felt salty and jealous of her husband having this career because she's been raised in a milieu that says, you're behind, you're a loser, you're not- You're a man.
Yeah, you need to be competing with men in order to be considered a successful woman.
lilly gaddis
Well, and I think that's where the marketing's important.
Like, the right hasn't done a great job at marketing marriage to women.
You know what I mean?
Like, there's these fringe groups of, I don't know, the red pill movement maybe?
They kind of don't make it very appealing.
Like, say you're marketing a product.
You can have the best product ever, but if you do a terrible job marketing it and advertising it to people, no matter how great the product is, nobody's going to want to buy it.
Like, if you make marriage out like, no, you just stay home and you have kids and you have no life and you just serve your man.
If you say it like that, Obviously that doesn't sound very appealing, but if you're like, this is liberating.
You get to stay at home, you get to have your babies, you get to have your life, you get to have fun with your kids.
I think that's a big deal.
Like, we're not doing a great job marketing traditional marriage to people.
And you're not going to get in a lot of, like, college girls are not going to go for that, you know?
tim pool
I do love these videos from these women who are like, I've been working for three years.
I hate this.
Work sucks.
I want to stay home.
And it's like, you did have that before.
But there was one viral video several years ago where a woman, she's like 23, and she was like, why am I at work?
Feminists, I don't know if you guys remember this video, she's like, feminism ruined everything.
We used to get to stay home with our kids and just watch TV and cook food and the guys did all of the work for us.
And it's like, used to, yeah, that's right.
And guys are pissed about it too.
Guys like going and chopping wood with high mortality rate risk.
Guys like doing it.
And then they want to come home and they want to feel comfortable and relaxed with a beautiful woman and their family.
And I can't speak for women, but I'd be willing to bet they don't want to be out chopping lumber.
That's why none of them are working that job.
rachel wilson
Exactly.
Well, the dream that feminism sells to women is that you're going to go to college and you're going to become a boss babe.
You're going to either have your corner window office where you are flying to Paris to close the deal over brunch, right?
Or you're going to be Taylor Swift or Beyonce and you're going to have an empire and be like a boss baby.
You're going to be Kylie Jenner and have this really successful cosmetic company.
And as we saw, that's not what happens for most women.
Most women end up being a retail manager.
Or, you know, an administrative clerk of some kind or something like that.
And we're supposed to think that's cool and better than being a mom.
But this is why, if we're going to talk about having conservative women or right-wing women in media, I think they should be promoting family, marriage, motherhood.
I don't think we need a women's leadership conference because I personally think men should be the leaders doing the leading, especially in politics.
I don't want female leadership in politics personally.
I don't know how you guys feel about that, but I see the TPUSA Women's Leadership Summit and I'm like, it's a bunch of pantsuit boss girls.
Most of them have no kids.
Most of them aren't married and they're going to do what for us on the right wing?
I don't know.
tim pool
I plotted a graph out of wedlock births and women in the workplace.
And obviously you do the same thing with welfare spending and women in the workplace.
You see the same thing.
rachel wilson
Yes.
And the number one correlate for low birth rates is women in higher education.
Around the world, the more you push women into university, the lower the birth rate goes.
And it doesn't matter what culture.
It doesn't matter what country.
It's just the way that it works.
You can only focus on one thing.
You can't do it all.
And that's what we tell women.
Oh, you can be educated, and you can have a career, and you can be a full-time mom.
And you just can't.
You're only one person.
And I think that's why women are so stressed out.
26% of all American women are on at least one psychiatric drug.
Higher rates of alcoholism in women than we have ever seen.
Terrible marriage rates.
Nobody's even bothering to get married anymore.
tim pool
I think it may be self-correcting.
rachel wilson
I think it is.
tim pool
It has to be.
Society will wane.
It will dip down into struggle and then weak men who... I mean, look.
If you're a guy out there and you are out of shape, because the average guy is 5'9", 200 pounds.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So if you are out of shape with no skills, there's only one thing that matters.
Will you decide today to begin improving yourself?
That's the only thing that matters.
Because if you say no, who would ever want to have children with you?
I'm not going to make myself better.
I will provide nothing.
That is the least attractive thing you could possibly be.
And so, all of these guys that refuse to do that, they ain't gonna have kids.
And then we complain, like, oh, the birth rate's so low.
Yeah, but I'll tell you what's gonna happen.
The birth rate's gonna drop down.
After a couple generations, weak people will cease to function because they're not producing.
You need to produce to survive.
You need food.
Machines may replace a lot of this, but with a low birth rate, even machines and technology will not save people who cannot save themselves.
And then strong men and strong women will start to have children again, and it will repopulate society.
I feel like that's a mathematical absolute.
Like, not literally absolute, but it's like a trend that cannot be stopped outside of some massive intervention like nuclear bombs.
And even if nuclear bombs were dropped on every corner of the earth, it would still be the strong that survive.
And it may only be 300 of them, But 300 men and, you know, 300 women in various pockets of Earth, hiding from radiation, but strong enough to survive.
Give it a couple hundred years and your population's back in the tens of thousands.
Give it a couple hundred years and you got millions of people.
lilly gaddis
Well I think we're already seeing that like since the economy's bad like people are really struggling now you know you have to work really hard to even be able to just have it like a terrible apartment so and these bad times I feel like are starting to make people wake up like the girls are starting to reject that like even how you were saying how you see a lot of these girls making videos like why am I in the workforce and whatever
You know so I think bad times do bring people together and makes people a little bit stronger so we're probably I think we are seeing a little bit of awakening at least I've noticed it for myself just because of like the bad times do create you know like you were saying strong men.
rachel wilson
Yeah I think men are male competition is going to sort things out to a degree on the men's side but I think on the women's side we used to have so I've been accused a lot online of Breaking the sisterhood, right?
Because now the sisterhood is we're all feminists, we all party and sleep around and do our boss babe thing, and if you kind of like break that, you're in trouble.
You're not part of the sisterhood.
But the sisterhood used to be, for all of history until the last few decades, hey, Look, we all have to stay somewhat chaste until marriage because that's how we get a good guy.
We're never going to get these men to, like, give us kids and a family and take care of us and provide for us if we're all out sleeping around giving away the milk for free, like Tim said.
So it used to be the women would self-police and kind of slut shame each other.
And because if three of the girls in town are going around sleeping with everybody, it ruins it for the rest of us.
We can't get husbands.
So you can't do that.
Well, now we have the opposite thing.
And I think we need to reverse that.
tim pool
I've got a new documentary called The Real Inconvenient Truth.
And that is, since women have entered the workplace, it's tracked almost one for one with rise in global temperature.
That means if we want to solve climate change, you gotta get the women out of the workplace.
You see this, Alex?
Alex is stunned.
alex stein
I am.
I am.
rachel wilson
Case closed.
alex stein
I'm blown away.
tim pool
But the funny thing about this plotting is this spurious correlation.
It's choosing, you know, if we put it by single degrees, the global temperature is going to be very low.
It's really just how you choose to do it.
But the reason I ask this is because, you know, it is a fact that women in the workplace doubled the carpet emissions.
More women driving, more women on trains, more women on buses, more women on planes.
More production, more labor means more carbon emissions.
We gotta get women out of the workplace.
rachel wilson
That's right, Tim.
tim pool
See?
Tim gets it.
We should frame it as only men should have to work.
Women shouldn't have to work at all.
lilly gaddis
Exactly.
The marketing thing.
That's a better strategy right there.
tim pool
Yeah, it's feminist.
Women shouldn't have to work at all.
They should be able to stay home and do whatever they want.
rachel wilson
Yeah.
tim pool
It's men who have to do all the labor.
unidentified
Haha!
tim pool
We win, feminists!
alex stein
Well, I don't know.
I mean, I could be wrong.
Are the women in Afghanistan happy that they have to wear burqas and not drive cars?
tim pool
They love it.
alex stein
They love it?
I don't know.
tim pool
Well, you know, out of sight, out of mind.
alex stein
What do you mean?
Because they're not on the road?
They don't know?
tim pool
No, you grow up in a society that says this is what the way things are and most people are content.
rachel wilson
Yeah.
tim pool
Harriet Tubman said, I freed many slaves.
I would have freed many more if only they knew they were slaves.
Harriet Tubman would famously go to slaves and be like, be free, and they're like, why?
She's like, don't be a slave, and they're like, huh?
Like, I don't know, whatever, I don't care.
rachel wilson
Oh yeah, the Bolsheviks had a woman named Alexandra Kolontai who was their Minister of Social Welfare under Lenin, and she ran this mass de-veiling campaign in Central Asia where the Russian Empire still ruled at the time, you know, so they went to like Kazakhstan and different places where it was majority Muslim and all the women were veiled.
And they tried to convince them to take their veils and their burqas off in the name of liberation, and it was disastrous.
It had such a massive failure rate.
The women didn't want it.
The few women who did it got, like, beaten.
Things like this.
And they shamed her out of there.
Like, they kicked her out.
They didn't want her or her silly program in their country at all.
They completely rejected it.
And she was like, "I don't understand.
"I'm helping you, I'm liberating you." And they didn't want any part of it.
Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony in their memoirs both said that the primary obstacle to suffrage was not men at all, but women.
Women were to content.
It wasn't because women liked being enslaved.
It was because they said, we already have everything we want under male suffrage.
We can be educated if we want to.
We can work if we want to.
But we're going to lose all the privileges and protections we are now enjoying if we have this women's liberation stuff.
So the women didn't want it.
It was super unpopular with women.
alex stein
I didn't realize.
I didn't realize women's suffrage for women were the ones that were combating it.
rachel wilson
Only about 4% of women who were polled in the pre-voting, where they do a referendum, only 4% of women wanted suffrage.
So actually, the National Women's Suffrage Association refused to let women vote any further on whether or not they wanted to vote.
I'll say that one more time.
The suffragists prevented women from voting on whether they wanted the vote because they always said no.
Isn't that crazy?
tim pool
Yeah, I think women should be drafted.
I think we should draft all the women right now.
They should all sign up for selective service.
And if they refuse, they lose the right to vote.
rachel wilson
That's right.
If you want to be equal, then be equal.
tim pool
That's right.
alex stein
Yeah, I know.
But see, it gets to this weird thing where, you know, we're talking about like the red pill, Manosphere.
And I mentioned this earlier where there was a video of Dana White hitting his wife and they were like drunk in Mexico.
And I tweeted, I'm like, this is disgusting.
And I got so much hate from conservatives, like equal rights, equal lefts.
And if a girl hits you first, you should hit her back.
And I think that's kind of weird that there's so I don't know.
rachel wilson
That probably wasn't conservatives.
That was probably like, you know, Gray-footed foals.
alex stein
I just saw a lot of that.
And I would just think that you would never hit a woman under any circumstance, even if she hit you in the first place.
rachel wilson
Well, I mean, there's actually more domestic violence initiated against men by women than the other way around.
It's just that men almost never report it.
tim pool
I don't agree with that, Alex.
alex stein
If, like, a six-foot-five Soviet woman hepped up on tea... If Britney Griner hit me, I still wouldn't hit Britney Griner back.
tim pool
But you're, how tall are you, 6'1"?
alex stein
I'm 6'4".
You're 6'4"?
tim pool
Oh my god.
Look, if there's some dude who's like a normal average guy, but like let's say he's a little 5'7", walking down the street with a briefcase and a suit, and some large woman comes up and just clocks him in the face, I expect him to stand up and protect himself.
rachel wilson
We saw that with the Antifa stuff.
We saw these little five-foot-tall Antifa girls in flip-flops and leggings trying to attack, like, Patriot dudes who are, like, these big guys.
tim pool
That's like chihuahuas nipping at your ankles.
unidentified
Right, right.
alex stein
But I go to protests and get stuff thrown on me all the time by women, hit by women, and I would never clock one of them.
tim pool
Yeah, but you're a big dude.
alex stein
Yeah.
tim pool
So what I'm saying is, the reason why we say men shouldn't hit women, it's because of the generality of women tend to be smaller with less muscle mass and bone density.
But if So I agree, if there's a 5'5 woman who weighs 100 pounds and she hits me in the arm, I ain't gonna cry about it.
I'm gonna be like, lady, nice try.
But if a 6'5 She-Hulk walks up to me and swings at my gut, and I'm like, oh man, we got a fight on our hands, you know what I mean?
Come on, lady, let's go down.
alex stein
Right?
tim pool
Don't you agree?
alex stein
Would you do a cage match with a woman if she agreed to it?
tim pool
But this is the real question.
It depends on the woman, right?
Like, me, no.
But my point is, self-defense in law is predicated upon the risk to your well-being.
If a guy comes up to you, and he's yelling at you, and he's swinging punches at you, that is actually considered lethal force.
If he hits you in that, you could die.
And so you can respond with lethal force, and then the left response is, but he was unarmed, what are you doing?
Dude, people die all the time from getting punched in the face one time.
rachel wilson
Yeah, the other problem is that women are more likely, statistically, to use force multipliers when they attack men.
So weapons, you know... Force multiplier, I like that.
You like that?
A crazy woman comes at you with a piece of broken glass, you're not gonna shove her?
alex stein
You're not gonna like... No, no, I'm gonna... If a big booty latina came at me with her frying pan, I still would... I would just block it and... Okay, I just gotta tell you, if a lady was swinging broken glass at me, I would run.
tim pool
Like, this is Self-Defense 101.
You don't engage in knife fights.
rachel wilson
What if you're stuck with her and you have to?
tim pool
Like if I'm in a room?
rachel wilson
Yeah, like she won't let you out.
tim pool
And she's got a broken glass?
rachel wilson
She's going down.
You see this domestic stuff where women will do that.
They'll like break something and be attacking the guy and refuse to let him leave.
And the guy will have to like physically do something to her to get out of there.
And then the guy goes to prison.
tim pool
Well, this is why, you know, men should have, they should carry a bolas at all times.
Do you know what a bolas is?
alex stein
What, now?
tim pool
Do you know what a bolas is?
It is two weighted balls with a rope in the middle.
alex stein
Oh, the thing you swing?
tim pool
You swing it and throw it, and then it wraps around her legs and she falls over.
And then you jump over her, call the police, and say, you know, we wrangled her up, but she's got a knife, so be careful.
alex stein
You could have a net gun, might be easier, and just... You ever see those net guns they use on pigeons?
I've seen the one Rob Dyrdek had in Fantasy Factory.
unidentified
Oh, really?
tim pool
He fires a net, and then it's got weight.
rachel wilson
Too bad we can't invent a gun that can shoot, like, accountability at women, and then you wouldn't be physically hurting them, but they would definitely run.
tim pool
We could.
It's like when you pull the trigger, another woman's voice comes on and criticizes her for not fitting in properly.
alex stein
Well, Rachel, you know stats.
Who are more toxic, in your opinion, men or women?
rachel wilson
Who are more toxic?
alex stein
Yeah, like who's more toxic for society overall?
rachel wilson
Women now because they're not under any sort of, there's no mechanism to control their insane behavior.
alex stein
So you think women are?
rachel wilson
I think women are now.
I think we're in an inverted social order where there was built in control mechanisms to balance the power for both sides before and what feminism did was erase that and give women incredible amounts of unearned power that they don't know what to do with.
So I think, yeah, I do think there's like toxic feminism, femininity going on.
alex stein
I agree with you on that.
What, Tim, you're looking at me like some women are toxic as hell?
tim pool
Well, I don't know.
alex stein
I just think that, you know, in this society that we live in, it's changing, that women are being toxic, and that's why men probably want to have an artificial intelligence girlfriend and just crank it to Pornhub all day.
tim pool
I feel like most guys Would probably just sit on a couch, zone out, and say, bleh.
Like, they go out, they lift heavy a thing, they come back, they sit down and go, bleh.
And then the political elements of conflict and crisis overwhelmingly come from women.
And I'm not saying that women are the cause of wars.
What I'm saying is that Women are social and men are less social.
So you're more likely going to get a woman saying, I want these things to change.
And then you're probably, I mean, this is the trope, right?
The albunny sits on the couch and the wife says, I want these things done.
And the guy goes, oh, here we go.
Like, okay, I'm going to go do it.
I have to do this.
This is my job.
I just think this, probably a better way to put it, because that might sound accusatory of women, is the driving force of society is women.
Not men.
alex stein
Well, what was it, women, where they were approved for credit cards later than men?
Isn't that how it works?
tim pool
That's the way it should be.
alex stein
Is that how it should be?
rachel wilson
Yes, we talked about that last time I was here.
You've got to be careful, Alex.
We're going to have to start calling you simp on a blimp.
alex stein
I am simp!
Have you never heard that?
I get accused of being a simp all the time.
I am a simp.
I'm a woman lover.
I guess I grew up and, uh, I don't know.
I just, I am, I'm a little bit of a simp.
I agree.
rachel wilson
Do you know why women didn't have credit cards and bank accounts until the seventies?
Do you know why?
alex stein
I don't know.
rachel wilson
I don't know.
Most people assume just the patriarchy wanted to You know, be mean to the women and control them.
alex stein
I don't know why.
rachel wilson
So the reason why is because women couldn't legally be held liable for family debts or for racking up, you know, credit charges or something.
So everything, yeah, only men could legally be held liable for the needs of the family.
alex stein
But you could buy a house before, women could buy houses before 1970.
rachel wilson
Yeah they could but as far as like providing for the family and things like that so there's this suffrage poster I always post to social media from New York from like 1912 or something where it showed privileges for women under suffrage and it said that in the state of New York prior to suffrage only men could be held liable for debt in a marriage
And even if the woman came in with money, so say you were an heiress and you married like a middle class guy, um, even if that was the case, you came in with your own money.
It was still considered your money.
And so if you owed money, so say you opened a credit account at Bloomingdale's in New York and the wife ran up charges at Bloomingdale's, she couldn't be held liable for the debt.
Only the husband could.
So that's the reason they didn't have it in their name, but they were usually authorized users on all their husband's accounts.
tim pool
I think it's simple.
I think it should be, we need to pass a law that says what we're going to do is the federal government is going to deploy individuals into the hearts of every major voting jurisdiction and they're going to ask people if they support women's suffrage We'll have a referendum on it, and if the answer is no, we do away with it.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
That's democracy, right?
But here's the funny thing.
I guarantee you, if you went door-to-door and said, would you support ending women's suffrage, you're going to get 65% yes.
Yeah.
And you know why?
Because they think it means suffering.
They don't know what it means.
So I'm not saying everyone's going to be like, yes, no voting for women.
They're going to be like, women are suffering?
We should get rid of that.
Because people have already done this.
They go to Times Square and they're like, would you help us end women's suffrage?
And they go, oh, wow, yeah, sure.
And if that's what they think it is, they shouldn't be voting.
rachel wilson
I agree.
alex stein
Well, they go to Times Square and ask them, like, the simplest questions.
Like, where's Texas on a map?
And they don't know.
tim pool
My favorite is, name a country that starts with the letter U. And people are like, uh, Utah?
Like, okay, look, you know those are edited because 90% of people are going to be like, the USA?
What's the question?
rachel wilson
When my kids don't want to do their homeschool work, I make them watch the video of Miss North Carolina trying to answer the question about maps.
Do you guys remember that?
tim pool
Yeah, what was that one?
rachel wilson
Oh, it's the pretty blonde Miss America girl.
If you put, if you Google it, she'll come right up and it's hilarious.
alex stein
There's a lot of Trump memes.
rachel wilson
I show them that and I'm like, if you don't want to be this, you better, yeah, there you go.
unidentified
Recent polls have shown a fifth of Americans can't locate the U.S.
on a world map.
Why do you think this is?
I personally believe that U.S.
Americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don't have maps and I believe that our education, like such as in South Africa and the Iraq everywhere like such us and I believe that they should our education over here in the U.S.
should help the U.S.
or should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future.
tim pool
Sounds like Joe Biden.
alex stein
That's the meme.
They're editing that clip into Joe Biden's spot on the debate.
Yeah, that meme's going around like crazy.
rachel wilson
So yeah, when my kids don't want to do their schoolwork, I'm like, hmm?
Do you want to sound like that?
alex stein
Well, I guess I am a simp because I love that.
Like, I loved every bit of that that she didn't know.
That makes me like her.
rachel wilson
She's very attractive.
alex stein
She's attractive.
She's not too smart, so she's probably easy to deal with.
No, it's like the perfect woman.
unidentified
The crazy hot matrix still is a thing.
tim pool
There was, I think it was OkCupid data from like 20 years ago.
No, it wasn't OkCupid.
This was, it might have been Science of Sex.
They showed pictures of women to men, and this one's gonna piss you guys off.
Do you know what age men consistently rated the highest?
Without knowing the age, just look at a picture of a female.
What age scored the highest in sexual attractiveness every time?
rachel wilson
I feel like it's pretty low.
20?
alex stein
20, 21?
rachel wilson
16, 17?
It's 14.
tim pool
14.
Oh, wow.
And then when they added in information on the person, it jumped to 22.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But not like bios.
It was like questionnaires.
And the research found that Men?
So, like, this is the important thing.
The average guy thinks teenage girls are the most attractive, and people don't know this, but for a long time, the models you'd see, like, you go to the mall and you see, like, the lingerie store and there's, like, a woman with her, like, bra strap coming down?
She's 15.
Yes.
unidentified
Fifteen years old.
tim pool
But something interesting happens when you ask questions, guys don't, the reason why it goes up to 22 on average is because teenagers are incapable of supporting a family.
So men want They want, predominantly, good genetics, which is seen through symmetry in the body, but if the man finds out the woman is really stupid, her attractiveness drops way down.
It really is true.
Now, there are probably a bunch of guys that are like, don't know, don't care, because I get free sex.
If the thought process for a lot of these guys is, I have zero responsibility, then they're going to be all over South Carolina.
But if you were telling a guy, You have a kid, it's your responsibility to be like, not with her!
Are you nuts?
I'm going to ask her where she put the milk and it's going to be in the cabinet under the sink.
And what are you doing?
Can't live that way.
rachel wilson
Yeah, my husband actually said that one of the things he likes best about me is that if he has to go somewhere, if he's busy, because he's very work focused and he's like a total workaholic.
But he's like, look, you're very competent, and I don't worry.
I don't worry about having to be focused on work because I know that you can handle everything and you've got it down.
So I think that's a big draw.
I think it's really helpful.
But we're training women to be competent at all the wrong things.
So we wanted to talk about the e-girls today, didn't we?
The right-wing e-girls and this phenomenon of like- The paradox.
Yeah, the paradox of, Having a girl in a bikini selling coffee or beer or being on a calendar.
alex stein
Lily just did that.
Are you making fun of Lily now?
rachel wilson
No, but Lily didn't like pre-plan this either, right?
She didn't like plot to have a career based off of this.
She had a viral moment because she said something edgy and she's beautiful.
And so the next thing is a right-wing company is going to approach and be like, would you like the sponsorship so you can sell our beer?
alex stein
And I like women in bikinis.
tim pool
I mean, I have no problem with that.
rachel wilson
I think that that's fine.
But what we shouldn't do is take those women, and I got into some trouble at the beginning of the year with a certain person who was baking a cake about this too, right?
We shouldn't take those women, push them to the front, and make them like the political mouthpieces for the right wing.
Because if you were to be like, hey, what's the Fourth Amendment?
alex stein
They're gonna be like, I want to combat this.
I hate that, because they always accuse me of that.
You bring up Josie.
Josie's not the main representative.
tim pool
She was baking a pie.
alex stein
I know, or whatever.
I mean, I'm just saying, anybody.
One conservative woman, say Lily, she's not the face of conservatism.
I mean, why do they make... Conservatives don't even like me.
What are we talking about?
I'm just saying, Rachel, one person, because they're popular in that sphere, now they're the face of an entire movement.
rachel wilson
Well, wasn't it a patriotic beer company that... Conservative Dads Ultra Right.
alex stein
Yes, of course.
She doesn't represent the entire party, is what I'm saying.
rachel wilson
What I'm saying is it's fine to have a girl be a model.
We know that models sell products.
Hot girls sell products.
That's fine.
I'm not against that.
I'm not jealous of beautiful women or any of that stuff.
I'm saying don't automatically equate them with whatever your right-wing movement is because I don't think it's actually a good look for you because they don't.
They're not even...
tim pool
My point early on about the paradox of the trad personalities, these women who are like, women should be mothers and at home and check out my company for which I'm a millionaire with a million followers.
I'm unmarried and I live in, you know, like there's a lot of, there's a lot of, it's a, it's, it's paradoxical.
It is.
I don't know what the answer is.
I don't know who's right or wrong.
I know many women who advocate for traditional values and they are single, wealthy girlbosses.
rachel wilson
Yeah, and I think this is how we end up with a conservative right wing, which by the way, because of this, I don't call myself conservative or traditional, because nobody knows what tradition, and we haven't conserved jack crap.
So I say I'm a Christian Patriarchist, which is something of a redundancy, but it lets you know what my beliefs are.
I think we end up with a right-wing Republican Party where all of the famous people are Caitlyn Jenner, Lauren Boebert, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Rick Grinnell.
We end up with women and gays and You know, all these people that you wouldn't think would be pushing traditional American conservative values because we're like, well, we have to appeal to everyone.
We have to have a big tent and we, everybody likes pretty girls and this gay guy is really cool.
So we're going to put, so it's like, what we, how are we different from the left?
It's a unit party now.
How are we different from the Democrat party?
We're just like the same social liberals, but with like a little bit less taxes or we love corporations more.
tim pool
My issue with only men voting is that half of guys are dumb as a box of rocks.
And so George Carlin famously said, think about how stupid the average person is.
Now realize half of them are stupider than that.
With greater male variability, are you familiar with?
Yes.
You guys are familiar with greater male variability?
Guys tend to vary more across the board on every subject relative to women.
Women tend to be stable, men tend to vary.
So there's more weak men, there's more strong men, women are average.
There's more stupid guys, there's more smart guys, women have a tighter bell curve.
So imagine this.
Most women, so we're talking half the country, and let's say, you know, 65-70% of them are of average intelligence, and then you have men where half are above average and half are below average, and then without universal voting, you have a large portion of women who are smarter than really dumb guys, and those dumb guys are voting.
That's still a problem.
rachel wilson
That might still be a problem, but I think everybody's probably seen the maps, the graphs that show what would happen if you took women out of the voting pool.
You'd basically never have any left-wing stuff passing ever again.
So that's a factor.
And that's because even dumb guys prefer to have the ability to take risk for more gain.
They're not as security-oriented.
They're not going to be voting for a nanny state.
They're not going to be voting for open borders, that sort of thing.
There's a lot of ways you could fix voting, I think.
But the problem is now we've told everybody that universal suffrage democracy is the American way, which Tim would tell you is not how the country was founded.
And if you say only certain people should be able to vote now, you're called like an elitist or people will say, oh, you're not.
tim pool
Oh, we got to restrict voting like crazy.
lilly gaddis
Well, I think it's good, like, if you let people... When you think about the single women that are tanking, you know, the vote, that are all voting liberal, it's because they don't have kids, they don't own property, they don't have any skid in the game, so what are they voting for?
Oh, abortion rights, you know, or, oh, they'll give me free money or they'll pay for my college.
So if you let only people who have, like, own property or have kids, they've got stake in the game.
Like, they're going to be voting for bigger problems, even though they're like, Oh, we don't like the guy, but he's going to push for initiatives that's going to help the country.
That's what I think.
I think only landowners and people with families should vote because they have a stake in the game.
It's not just, well, this guy supports abortions and I want to get my 10th abortion, so I'll just go with that guy.
alex stein
Well, I just want to say this because you're talking about the people that represent, you know, certain parties and, you know, influencers.
rachel wilson
Yeah.
alex stein
See, I'm so blackpilled where I'd believe it's a unit party where, you know, elections are basically all stolen.
It's all, you know, it's like it's all a facade.
It's literally political theater.
So that's why it's kind of hard, like a lot.
Alex Stein doesn't represent conservatives well enough.
It's kind of like, well, everything.
Conservatives don't represent themselves well enough because they all are infighting.
And so it's just all cringe politics, really.
And I cover politics like crazy.
It's cringe and gay and annoying.
And I just I don't know how to fix that because I don't have any trust in the system.
I think the government's lied about the vaccine mandate.
I mean, vaccines, all kinds of stuff.
So I guess I'm just maybe so black pilled that I don't know if we can even fix the problem.
It's so bad.
rachel wilson
I'm with you on the whole American system, and I get a ton of, you know, crap about that, too.
I think that we have like a liberal enlightenment founding that was going to end up here.
That's my personal opinion on it.
But since we have this illusion of there's a left wing and a right wing, and there is like among the actual population to a degree, there are people who believe a set of beliefs that are more progressive left wing and people who believe a set of beliefs that are more family oriented.
And I guess we would say like conservative or Christian.
And I just don't understand how Christian conservatives are being represented by people who are pushing the gay agenda, people who are pushing feminism, people who are pushing the trans agenda.
And we're going to just like wave them into TPUSA and be like, yes, have the boss babe conference, have the LGBT like big tent thing.
tim pool
It's like, yeah, it's just it's liberalism from 10 years ago.
alex stein
Should Trump have stopped Caitlyn Jenner from pooping in the women's restroom?
tim pool
Did that happen?
alex stein
Yeah, Caitlyn Jenner posted a video of them, I guess.
I don't want to get kicked off YouTube for misgendering them.
Yeah, pooped in at the Trump Tower Hotel and it was like, got millions of hits.
tim pool
Yeah, Trump was like, well, I don't care.
alex stein
Yeah, Trump's like, who cares?
rachel wilson
Well, Trump hasn't ever cared.
Like, that was, again, my other big criticism of Trump.
He was too pro-woman and he was too pro-feminist.
tim pool
He wants their votes.
rachel wilson
He was always hiring women for every position.
And look how any of them worked out.
All the women that he hires.
Oh, my God.
tim pool
You've heard the stories about how, like, he hires a woman for, like, a high-level job, and then there's, like, some stories circulating where he hired some woman, and she came into the office, and there's, like, a bunch of guys sitting around the table, and they're, like, going over paperwork, and then she's, like, here's the latest, and it's, like, you know, girl boss, and then she's, like, I'll be back later with updates.
She walks out, and the guys are, like, you hired her?
Is she good at this job?
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And he goes, no, but she looks great!
alex stein
Well, look at Alina, his attorney.
I mean, he's guilty 34 counts, but gosh, he's got a great rack.
rachel wilson
Exactly!
So, I would love if we had representation for traditional-minded Americans who are family-oriented and Christian.
That's a lot of the population.
I don't feel like we have representation right now.
Who would it be?
alex stein
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, I don't think.
tim pool
Who's representing women?
rachel wilson
Who's representing, like, traditional Christian Americans?
tim pool
Hillary Clinton.
lilly gaddis
I don't think you're going to get a representative because somebody who's truly traditional and at home working their ass off with their kids, they're not going to be on social media.
rachel wilson
I guess I mean more like official party people and politicians so yeah I mean on the Republican right where we're supposed to be catering you know when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s it was like oh you got to cater to the evangelicals you got to cater to the Christian right-wing conservatives But we don't do any of that anymore.
Now it's like our side wants, we need a woman president.
We need women senators and female, the female governors that are supposed to be conservative.
Have you taken a look at any of them lately and how they behave and what they do?
These are not, it's, but why would we be surprised?
Why would we be surprised that when we hire a woman to govern a state, that it's going to turn out that she's like a hot chick who's divorced and, you know, making out with dudes in a theater or No, you are right.
alex stein
Kristi Noem lying about her dead dog, or actually she killed the dead dog and then lied about Kim Jong Un.
That is sick.
You actually are right.
rachel wilson
Well, and she's another one that if you look at a picture of her ten years ago and now her entire face is Botox and fillers and she's gotten all this work done.
She looks like a Kardashian to me and I can't tell the difference policy-wise or PR-wise what the difference is between our right-wing conservative women And Hollywood leftist women, they seem the same to me.
They look the same, they talk the same, they act the same, they live the same kind of lifestyles.
So I'm just looking for like where's the representation for people like me that what I care about is my five kids and hopefully the dozen or so grandkids I will get from my kids if I'm lucky, lord willing, right?
I want a future for my kids and my grandkids and none of these people are helping me with that.
tim pool
What if we got all the smartest and most successful people to just abandon their companies overnight?
Maybe go to a secret location of sorts where they could only live and work together and then let society fend for themselves and come up with some name for it.
rachel wilson
Maybe... A little Jekyll Island action going down?
tim pool
Galt's Gulch or something.
Just like something that came up off the top of my head and just see how society fares.
alex stein
Well, that would be fun, but to Rachel's point, I would say, and there's this old saying, idolizing politicians and celebrities is like thinking the stripper actually likes you, you know?
So it's like, what's the point of even idolizing anybody?
I mean, I guess you can be a fan of somebody, but you got to have that with a grain of salt.
rachel wilson
I'm just saying we're supposed to have representation.
This is what we believe.
This is what we're told.
We're told that this is a representative form of government that we have.
And I don't see any representation for people like me.
I mean, Trump is the best we've had in a long time.
And even he, again, is like very socially liberal.
He's just basically an 80s Democrat.
tim pool
Yeah, he's a liberal.
rachel wilson
So, I just, and I don't think adding women and, you know, alternative lifestyle folks in an effort to bring everyone in helped anything.
It just, I just consolidated the Uniparty.
tim pool
I, you know, I kind of feel like the worst case scenario is just, we're riding the wave, the wave is going to crash violently into the shore, and the strong will survive.
Like the worst case scenario is, We sit here, we scream to the high heavens, save yourselves, the flood is coming.
We can't stop the flood, the flood is here, but we can build an ark.
rachel wilson
Yeah, that's all you can do.
All I try to do is, really the main purpose of why I'm doing everything I'm doing, my purpose for being present on social media, is because I get dozens of letters and DMs and emails every week from women who say, All I ever wanted was to be a mom and stay at home and raise my kids and everybody told me I couldn't do that.
Even my parents, you know, who are Christian conservatives said, you must go to college.
You've got to have a career first.
This is what everyone's heard for decades.
And they write me just to say, thank you for telling me and basically giving me permission to be a mom and to be a wife.
And that that's not only good enough, but that's awesome.
And it's like more, uh, Laudable than any career I was going to have.
It's more meaningful because they just don't feel like they can.
I had a woman write me and say I'm in my last year of dental school.
I'm supposed to start a dental practice and all I want to do since I met my boyfriend is get married and have kids.
That's all I want to do.
I dream about it all day.
It's all I think about.
I would rather die than go start a dental practice.
But my parents have invested all this money, and if I told them I was going to quit dental school, they would disown me.
They would not understand what do I do.
And so I'm just trying to make the case for women, because there's a lot of women who want that.
There's a lot of women who want that, and they just don't feel like it's permitted.
alex stein
I have to say, there should be more female dentists.
I don't like to go to a male dentist.
I know, I'm dead serious.
I'm not even kidding.
I don't like to go to a male dentist.
I don't like a guy having his hands in my hair.
tim pool
And their hands are all big.
alex stein
I'm not even kidding.
I went to Bravo Dental.
It's just a normal dental place in Dallas.
I was like, I want a female dentist.
tim pool
Yeah, look, they got small hands.
alex stein
I wouldn't have a male masseuse.
So we need some women to be dentists.
We need a couple women to do some of this stuff.
Maybe not all of them.
tim pool
Small hands for manipulating the fine instruments.
alex stein
I don't want some dude like... It's like, that's... No, that's not okay.
That's gay.
tim pool
But you don't want a female pilot.
alex stein
I don't want a female pilot.
And I don't want a female... I actually would like if my proctologist was a female too.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
You were saying, Lily?
lilly gaddis
I lost my train of thought.
You could throw me off with that, yeah.
alex stein
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I think it is obvious that in society, women and men have different roles.
So I agree with you on that 100%.
But I just, I guess the only thing I disagree with you is that like women shouldn't be pigeonholed.
Like if they do want to do something different, you know, they should have that opportunity.
Like I'm not, I'm not a repeal the 19th amendment guy.
I don't know if that really does.
rachel wilson
There is this common misperception that prior to the 19th, women were not allowed.
That we barred them.
That we said, you can only be a mom and that's it.
And that's completely not true.
Three chapters of my book are dedicated to debunking that as an idea.
Women have had higher literacy rates in this country since we started tracking it in 1790.
Women have always been able to work.
It was just that they tended to work like at home on the family farm or maybe in a shop.
Yeah, and they didn't want to.
And they still don't really want to.
It's just that if you tell them from the time they're an infant, and every TV show they watch, and every song they hear, and every movie they see, tells them, you must have a career.
The cool girls have jobs.
The successful women are entrepreneurs and business babes.
That's what they'll do.
tim pool
Well, let's go back in time to when the average family was just homesteading.
rachel wilson
Yeah.
tim pool
When there was no big industry, women worked, there's no question.
And so the idea of women in work or in the workplace happened as soon as men started leaving their homes for industry jobs, or industrial jobs.
So you have a farm, the guy's gonna wake up and he's gonna be like, I'm gonna go deal with the cows and the horses, and the mom's gonna be like, I'll get the eggs.
rachel wilson
Yeah, I'll make the butter.
tim pool
Yeah, turn the butter and everybody was doing work.
rachel wilson
Right.
tim pool
It's wild.
Now it's like the belief was that women never did anything.
Well, no, the issue was in industrialization.
rachel wilson
Yes.
tim pool
And these are and a lot of high mortality jobs that women still don't take.
rachel wilson
Yes, and this is why we didn't see a push for feminism until the Industrial Revolution.
That's the only thing that enabled feminism.
Before industrialization and technology, there was no concept of girl boss.
There was no feminism at all because it was a much different world where, you know, physicality mattered more and we were more attached to like our actual material reality of how food is produced, how everything is produced, right?
So now, Women think they're super cool and tough and equal with a man because they can go to their office job and they don't think about when they wake up in the morning and their alarm goes off.
A man built that.
A man created and launched the satellites that make their cell phone work.
Men keep the power lines up and the grid running.
Men made the road and the car that drive you to your job.
They work the air conditioning that keeps you cozy in your office, like all these sort of things.
It's all enabled by the world that men built, and women don't even think about that.
I've asked girls, like famously in multiple debates, asked young women, "Do you think that if the grid went down, there was some big disaster, there's a hurricane, a flood, something like this, and the power goes down, that we could get the feminists out there and they're going to get the power back on?" And they tell me yes.
They're like, oh yeah, girls could do it.
We have tools.
We have tools now.
I'm like, have you ever tried to run a jackhammer?
alex stein
I have to debate this real quick, I have to debate this.
tim pool
Open a pickle jar?
alex stein
Wait, wait, I have to say this, Rachel, and you know this, there's a lot of lesbians at Home Depot that know exactly what the hell they're doing with a drill.
I'm not saying all women, but Alex Jones knows some of these.
rachel wilson
They have the little thing where they Google it and it tells them where the pipe is.
unidentified
No, that's fine.
tim pool
Alex, I'll give you this, I'll give you this.
Let's just say every Home Depot was 50% Super intelligent, handy lesbians.
Their grip strength is still less.
alex stein
That is true.
tim pool
And so opening pickle jars is a huge challenge for women, and that's why they need men.
Because without us, I mean, the pickles will never... But in all seriousness, the grip strength correlating with the operation of a jackhammer, for instance, the weight that you need to be able to maintain for that object, It's not like we're going to make a mini jackhammer.
alex stein
You just have to make a fat lesbian.
tim pool
Look, you need a large one with large muscle mass.
The jackhammers we make are not made because it's the patriarchy and we're going to make jackhammers so big only men can wield them.
rachel wilson
Right, exactly.
tim pool
No, it's because you make a tiny jackhammer, it's not going to have enough force to break concrete.
rachel wilson
It's not going to do anything, yeah.
tim pool
This is the challenge.
alex stein
You're underestimating lesbians.
Look at the WNBA, dude.
They're dominating.
Greatest year ever.
Yeah, they're losing $50 million, but it's all we talk about.
tim pool
So here's what I've said, and I know Alex agrees.
Alex may agree with this for different reasons, but I've said...
If I am in a burning building on the third floor and I am laying on the ground and there's smoke everywhere and I'm gagging, when that door bursts open, I am hoping to God it's a six-foot-five, glistening, ripped man just flexing his muscles and he goes, Hey there, buddy.
I'm getting you out of here.
unidentified
If a woman kicked the door open, I'd be like, No, that is true.
lilly gaddis
Like, I don't know why people want to push for the equality.
Like, I used to work at the beach, and when we would do, like, the rescue training, you would have to get, like, the supervisor.
So these are, like, six-foot-four guys.
They go limp in the water.
They're in wetsuits and whatever, and you'd have to drag them, like, up the beach.
And the guys get them off the beach, no problem, because, you know, you got the tide pulling the sand out and whatever.
And then the girls, we'd be sitting here struggling for, like, 10 minutes.
Now, we could do it, and we were, like, good at it, and I was really good at my job, but still.
Even I would be like, if I'm drowning out there, I hope a dude comes and gets me.
alex stein
No, you're exactly right, because they had to lower all the requirements for the police academy for the females, for the women, because they couldn't go over the wall, they couldn't lift a thing.
tim pool
But hold on, but there's only one exception.
So, if the average guy was in a burning building, the only woman they would want to see is their mom.
Because women get that superhero strength when their children are in danger, and your mom will lift you up by one hand with her muscles snapping as she carries you to safety.
And I'm half-joking, right?
Obviously no guy wants to see his mom in a burning building.
My point is, all of the stories where the mom lifts a car off her child, Destroying her arms and muscles to save the child?
That's amazing.
But, like, you're not gonna get that from the average woman.
You get that from your mother, who will die for you.
And then guys just tend to be stronger.
But, man, these stories really are amazing, where... Like, I mean, and you've heard them, too.
Like, a car hit the kid, and then the mom lifted the car up, and then the kid got out.
That was amazing.
Those are cool stories.
alex stein
Yeah, I always hear it with grandmothers, too.
Yeah, you hear that story a lot, where they get superhuman strength.
I mean, I think we agree on most things, Rachel, but I guess when we look at the future, this is what they say is going to happen if there's no rapture, is that we will all be one race and one sex.
And that sex would be like trans, basically.
It would probably be women with a female vagina that act outwardly like men and then they just have like men semen and they just, you know, I guess artificially inseminate themselves.
That's if like we live to a million years in the future.
tim pool
The Y chromosome is dissolving.
It's getting smaller and smaller.
alex stein
That is actually happening.
tim pool
Yeah, it is happening, but there's a couple theories.
One is, in our limited understanding of the Y chromosome becoming smaller and more frail, the immediate assumption was, well, eventually it'll be nothing.
But there's actually a hypothesis that it just changes rapidly from smaller to larger, and it's really just that men evolve faster than women.
So the Y chromosomes change in shape recently is just greater male variability.
Women tend to remain stable and average.
Men change based on the circumstances required.
And it really is what women require to survive what men can provide.
And then they choose men based on that, which, you know, is what we get.
But I would not be surprised if because of microplastics and endocrine disruptors, but also technology, the future is men and women look identically.
There will be a sexual distinction between the two, but very very subtle.
I wouldn't be surprised if in like a thousand years, men and women are both on average 5'4".
Ultra frail, thin bodies, gaunt faces, no hair, and their genitals are just... Atrophied.
Yeah, and not even used, especially considering artificial womb technology, virtual reality.
This is actually a plot point of Stargate SG-1, if you guys have seen it.
What are they called, the Nordics?
No, the Asgard.
rachel wilson
Yeah, I don't remember.
unidentified
It's been a long time since I watched that.
tim pool
SG1's an amazing show, but basically they're aliens, and they're the most technologically advanced, and they've advanced beyond the point where they can sexually reproduce, so they can only reproduce by cloning, which has resulted in their genetics decaying to the point where they're on their last iteration of being able to genetically engineer themselves, or to clone themselves, because their genetics have failed.
rachel wilson
Weirdly enough, a lot of the people that, this is another thing I document a lot in my book, which is why it's called occult feminism, because a lot of the people that funded and pushed feminism were wealthy elites who had various proto-transhuman beliefs.
A lot of them were like proto-New Agers or Baha'i faith or any number of like occult-style religions that believe in a one-world religion, that everybody has to return to the monad, right?
We all have to go back to being one, and that's why we have to embrace the goddess worship stuff and everything, because they wanted a human future where men and women are basically the same and androgynous.
And we transcend sex differences because they have this fundamental idea that during the fall is when male and female became like when we became sexually dimorphic.
And then we have to go back to having like just a unisex beige blob of humanity with a one-world government and a one-world religion, and that's what they wanted.
Margaret Fuller was writing about this in the 1840s.
A very prominent early American feminist writer.
So a lot of these people did want that.
Alice Bailey, who helped create a lot of the UN programs, the early UN programs, believed this.
And so a lot of their policy was actually aimed towards enabling that.
They thought it was inevitable, but they wanted to help it along and accelerate it.
alex stein
You're exactly right.
Genesis 11, verse 9, the Tower of Babel, if you flip that, that's 9-11.
It's just weird.
You know the story about Nimrod wanting to build a tower to the kingdom of heaven and God made everybody speak different languages and they all broke up and that's what's happening today is that reverse engineering of that and I think that's like a satanic demonic rule like basically Nimrod ruling us so that is what they want they want us under one currency one you know no borders one country that rules them all so yeah I agree with you on that.
lilly gaddis
I think it's a good example, though, because the Tower of Babel just fell.
You know, it just didn't work, and then God dispersed everybody.
But, like, even when you see, like, most societies, like Rome fell.
It was really high, got really technologically advanced, much like how we are now, and then it fell apart.
Because I think It's its own destructive force.
You know like how we were even saying how with all the technology and advancement people are off the homesteads and now we're at the workforce and that's where all the problems have come from.
So all the advancement is almost its undoing in the end.
Like that ends up crashing the whole thing and then we start back from the bottom up.
alex stein
Well isn't everything useful for eating that apple though?
tim pool
Yeah, what's up with that?
Why'd you do that?
rachel wilson
Funny enough, did you guys know that Elizabeth Cady Stanton and two dozen other feminist activists from the late 1890s wrote something called the Woman's Bible?
You can still buy it on Amazon right now.
And they went through and edited the entire Bible and took all of that out.
They took out Eve being at fault.
They took out the curse in Genesis on the woman.
They just changed all the patriarchal stuff in the Bible that they didn't like.
And in the foreword, Stanton says herself, now remember, these were all supposed to be Christian women, but if you dig a little deeper, none of them were.
She said, look, if I could just eradicate the Bible from the face of the earth, I would do it.
But I can't.
It's the most popular, most influential book there's ever been, and too many people believe in it.
So instead, we will just subvert it.
We'll change the meaning.
We will do some social justice Christianity, which was very popular at the time.
And they wrote this woman's Bible, and it actually had a huge effect on a lot of the churches around the turn of the century.
And people don't even... Everybody wants to know, why are the churches so feminized?
Why is there so much feminism in churches?
alex stein
Why are there so many rainbow flags?
rachel wilson
Yeah, it has a lot to do with that.
That book was so popular that they had multiple printings in, and we're talking 1895, so this stuff is not new.
Like, this has been around for a long time, and it was intentional to, like, feminize Christianity and convince people that the Bible was written by men, and it's just a tool of the patriarchy to keep women down.
tim pool
Well, you guys all know what the rainbow means, right?
rachel wilson
You mean, like, from a biblical perspective?
God's promise never to destroy the world again?
tim pool
So I told Seamus Coghlan, you know, because he put the Irish cutout behind him a lot, I said, put a rainbow behind you.
And he's like, oh, I think that'll send the wrong message.
And I was like, you lose.
It's lost.
You're outright saying that a symbol of your religion for thousands of years, representing God's covenant to the earth to never flood it again, You've lost it.
You can no longer display a symbol of your faith because you're scared people will think it's associated with something degenerate.
Okay, you lose.
You have to reclaim it.
You can't let people take your symbols from you.
alex stein
Well, and that's a problem with the rights arm.
lilly gaddis
Like, we're even seeing that with conservatives fleeing, like, liberal states and stuff.
We're so bad at just, okay, fine, just take it, whatever.
We don't feel like the fight.
And we just kind of secede all this ground and just give them this and, like, take the losses.
And we don't even try to reclaim it.
Like, we took over WOKE.
Like, they came up with that and we took it and we reclaimed that and made it our word.
Like, we got to do the same thing with, like, the rainbow and everything else.
tim pool
Fake news and cheap fake, too.
Fake news was created by the media to attack Trump, and Trump and media were like, no, you're fake news!
And then now they're like, stop, stop calling us that.
So don't let them take the rainbow.
I say, you know, all these rainbow things that are being painted on the ground, Christians should go out there and make them symbols of Christianity and God's covenant, and then watch the left freak out and be like, that's not what it means, that's not what it means!
And they'll be like, you've painted the symbol of God's love, yay!
alex stein
Well, this point is a little out of left field, but the Bible talks about Nephilim, these giants.
And, you know, supposedly a third of the angels were casted out of heaven, came down to earth, and, you know, made it with humans, and they made these giants.
And that's supposedly, I guess, why God had to flood the earth and kill all these creatures.
You know, that's what they say.
And I kind of tend to believe that.
And the rainbow should be a pride flag that we killed a bunch of giants.
rachel wilson
Well, they were supposed to be very wicked.
alex stein
Yeah, no, I'm not saying that we shouldn't have killed him.
I'm just saying, you know, that pride flag was a really good thing, you know, and now it represents gay butt sex.
So there you go.
tim pool
Thank you for that one.
Did you guys ever see it?
alex stein
Not all of them land, you know what I mean?
tim pool
This is a Nephalem skull.
rachel wilson
Look.
tim pool
You see that?
alex stein
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
There were giants.
They're hiding the giants.
What do you think about that, Rachel?
rachel wilson
Hiding the giants?
tim pool
You've seen this?
The Nephalem skull?
rachel wilson
Is it real or is it one of those anthropological things?
tim pool
That's real.
That's a real... That's real.
Look at the teeth.
lilly gaddis
Yeah, you can't... Look at this.
rachel wilson
Because I don't believe in dinosaurs either.
alex stein
Yeah, there you go.
Smart.
tim pool
This is real.
You guys have never seen this before?
rachel wilson
No.
tim pool
Yeah, that's Nephilim.
See the gigantic singular eye socket?
rachel wilson
Oh, like a cyclops?
tim pool
Yeah, isn't that crazy?
lilly gaddis
Wait, is this backwards?
rachel wilson
I feel like you're trolling us, Tim.
tim pool
Look at the teeth.
You see the teeth right here?
This is a real skull.
This is real.
They find them all over the place in Africa.
Because they're elephant skulls.
rachel wilson
I was just gonna say, I'm waiting for the shoe to drop.
alex stein
Tim Dixie's so clever, I'm just telling you, giants were here at one point.
tim pool
No, no, it's not about being clever.
The point is, when they first found these, they thought they were cyclops skulls.
Because they didn't know, like, that's the hole up top is like the nasal passage.
rachel wilson
For the trunk.
tim pool
Right.
And then the tusks come out here and the eyes are off to the side.
And so because of, you know, humans' ocular cavities, they assumed that was a cyclops.
That's what they thought.
They didn't understand.
alex stein
Science is a lie.
tim pool
So perhaps the story of the giants was actually just they found some elephant skulls.
alex stein
No, the Smithsonian has the bones.
They're hiding them.
tim pool
They're hiding the Nephilim bones?
alex stein
You know, Nick Cage stole, what, the Declaration of Independence?
I'm gonna go steal the Nephilim bones.
tim pool
Didn't he do it like three times or something?
alex stein
I think there's three movies.
Were there three movies?
unidentified
What was that called?
alex stein
National Treasure?
unidentified
Is that right?
alex stein
And was there three of them?
unidentified
I think there was a third one announced.
tim pool
I'm definitely going to go to theaters to see that.
Like, no question.
alex stein
No, that was actually good.
tim pool
Have you guys seen the Nick Cage movie where he gets recruited?
He plays himself, recruited by the CIA to investigate the cartels?
rachel wilson
Oh, one of my friends just reviewed that movie.
tim pool
It's so good.
alex stein
It's a new movie, right?
tim pool
Yeah, and it's got Pedro Pascal in it.
There's a scene.
So he's just Nick Cage.
He's playing himself.
And he's investigating.
He gets sent to this island where a guy's a fan of his.
And he's investigating whether this guy's actually the leader of this drug ring.
And so he's snooping around one day by himself.
And he finds this secret room, this big door closed.
And he's about to open it.
And then he hears Pedro Pascal behind him being like, don't do it.
And he's like, I have to.
And he's like, if you go in that room, it will change everything between us forever.
And he's like, I'm sorry.
And he thinks, like you're opening to find all the drugs.
He opens it and it's this museum of Nick Cage.
All of his movies, all of this.
And the guy's like, yeah, he's all embarrassed.
As a total aside of the conversation, that movie's really funny.
alex stein
I loved Con Air.
That was one of my favorites.
tim pool
For the last 15 minutes of the show, we'll just talk about why we like Nick Cage.
alex stein
Nick Cage is a badass.
rachel wilson
Where's Jay Dyer when you need him to do the Nick Cage impression?
alex stein
Yeah, he loves Nick Cage.
Yeah, no, Nick Cage is a beast.
He hates the patriarchy more than anybody.
tim pool
Do you think Nick Cage hates the patriarchy?
So, you know, with all the talk of political instability, What do the next few years look like?
What do the next 20 years look like?
I mean, young people aren't having relationships?
Fertility rates in the gutter?
Do we just see population collapse?
Abandoned cities?
You know, actually, I can say this.
We're seeing all this crime, and cities falling apart.
Michigan had a population drain when the industry collapsed.
I mean, that seems to be, like, It's an image of what's to come.
rachel wilson
That's my home state.
That's where I've lived most of my life.
And I grew up in a town that was only there in existence because of a GM plant that they built there.
Everybody in town worked there.
The whole town economy was built off of that place.
And they shut it down, what, late 90s, early 2000s after NAFTA.
And the town just, like, died out.
unidentified
Yeah.
rachel wilson
And that was a huge problem in Michigan.
I mean, we've got a lot of problems.
We're run by a bunch of, like, lesbian, tyrannical, crazy people.
So that doesn't help either.
But, yeah, it's a real thing in the Midwest.
tim pool
And now, with the population decline from industry collapse, what do you think this country's going to look like when you have fertility population decline?
Everything's going to be like Michigan.
Our cities are going to be... I mean, man, it really is crazy when you look at how many buildings are abandoned.
Imagine going to New York and it's just a bunch of empty, decaying buildings.
You look at Detroit, you look at Flint, you look at Gary, Indiana, and you see these houses that are just falling apart.
Imagine a skyscraper.
In New York City.
Like not even a crazy big one, like 20 stories and it's just busted out windows.
Just abandoned.
rachel wilson
Crackheads living in it.
tim pool
Yep.
rachel wilson
Yeah.
tim pool
That's where we're going.
lilly gaddis
Well it's like South Africa.
There they have all these old penthouse buildings that are now just people live in there and they're throwing trash down the elevator chutes.
rachel wilson
They're just like squatting.
alex stein
Yeah.
lilly gaddis
So that's what we're gonna see with like migrants taking over the cities and everybody evacuating.
Like even New York City, if I went there Uh, like in 2016 or something, and it was a bustling city.
Went there a couple years later, not as many people on the streets.
Like, people are really evacuating the cities, and then it's just going to be the migrants and whoever they bring in that kind of takes over that.
alex stein
It's funny, though, you say people are evacuating the, you know, I guess, metropolitan areas, but I feel like all the small towns are dying, too.
I mean, have you got, like, you don't think so?
lilly gaddis
I feel like...
alex stein
Like, Charlestown here is doing good for a small town, but I spend a lot of time in East Texas and stuff, and I mean, I feel like a lot of those small towns, you go to their main street, or you go to like the, you know, near the courthouse, and like, only maybe half the shops are actually leased out.
So I don't know, it's hard to get a- I feel like the small towns- Because, like, everybody goes to Walmart, like, you don't- Yeah, that is true.
lilly gaddis
You don't support, like, the little companies, you know?
alex stein
That is true.
That I won't debate you on.
But it is weird though, because you would think that these towns would be bustling now when we're getting all these immigrants and all these people are changing their life and moving out.
But it's like, I just don't see it when I go to those small towns.
rachel wilson
Well, when Andrew was here, he said something like, you'll either get a revolution or you could get a renaissance.
We could have a renaissance.
If you take a look at like, Churches in the United States, the most woke churches, are dying out.
Like the mega churches, they pop up, they'll do really good for like a year or two, and then they die out because people just don't stay.
And the more traditional versions, like Orthodoxy in America, is exploding right now.
If you look at the growth from like 2014 to now in Orthodox Christianity in this country, it's huge.
It's one of the fastest growing denominations.
And we don't have abortion, we don't have birth control, and we have huge families.
Like, on average, Orthodox families are very big.
Like, some of our most prominent priests have 10, 12 kids.
alex stein
Yeah, I think Joel Osteen's like a Satanist, basically.
rachel wilson
He is.
alex stein
Any pulpit pimp is not Joel.
rachel wilson
And I think what'll happen is the only people who are gonna have kids are those kind of people, right?
The people who are homesteading, the people who are homeschooling, doing traditional Christian stuff, and rejecting the woke stuff, the girlboss stuff.
tim pool
What precipitated the Renaissance?
rachel wilson
Well, the Black Plague.
tim pool
Yeah.
rachel wilson
A massive decay.
Yeah, I think that's what will happen.
tim pool
All of the weak people were basically obliterated and only the strong survived.
rachel wilson
Yeah.
tim pool
And then you got a renaissance period.
rachel wilson
And it creates a lot of opportunity, right?
tim pool
Yeah, it wasn't just the Black Death.
I just pulled it up.
It was the Great Famine followed by the Black Death.
But there are things that are happening now that are probably going to result in people losing their lives, being unable to have kids.
So I don't know if they look back at this as the black death, like COVID, come on.
They say, oh, all these people died from COVID, and it's like, did they?
You know, look, a lot of people died from COVID.
I'm not saying that's not true, but I'm saying you had that viral video out of Illinois where it was like the Secretary of State, or no, there was a chief medical officer of Illinois saying, Our records show dying with COVID, not from COVID, so be careful you don't conflate that.
And we see a lot of the media conflating dying with and dying from.
alex stein
And comorbidities.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
But that being said, I think the bigger plague that could lead to a renaissance is going to be like microplastics in the testicles, endocrine disruptors.
People can't have kids.
alex stein
Transgender stuff.
tim pool
Sterilizing themselves.
And so this is World War III, you know what I mean?
But we have a lot of things to be concerned about that could lead to mass death.
alex stein
Yeah.
rachel wilson
Well, and just to shill for my church, Orthodox Christianity is the one worldview, the one thing that combats all of that stuff.
We didn't do the medical interventions that were recommended.
We didn't shut down most of our churches.
We don't believe in abortion or birth control really under any circumstances.
We don't believe in divorce except for we're not quite as bad as like the Roman Catholics and like you gotta stay in an abusive marriage.
We have exceptions for abandonment, abuse, insanity, things like that.
But generally we take marriage extremely seriously and it's like a sacrament of our church.
alex stein
No, and I follow Jay Dyer.
I like Jay.
But what is the heat?
Like what Orthodoxy doesn't like Roman Catholic?
What is the internal strife with Catholicism and Orthodoxy?
rachel wilson
The original great schism was between the Roman Church and the rest of the churches.
There was only one church for the first thousand years.
Rome split off and wanted to do its own thing.
alex stein
They wanted to have a... That became the Vatican and became weird and the hats and everything.
rachel wilson
Yeah, their hats are way too big.
The other people have hats that are too small or they don't have hats.
That's a problem.
Our hats are just right.
They're right in the middle.
So that's how you know it's the true church.
tim pool
I'm going to shift a little bit because we only have a few minutes left, but right now the Magic the Gathering Pro Tour Modern Horizons is on.
This is a new Magic the Gathering set that came out a couple weeks ago.
I don't really care to talk about Magic the Gathering in and of itself.
My point is, this is a massive industry, gaming, and the guys are all morbidly obese.
And I'm looking, you know, so I'm looking at these notifications, because I love Magic, and my bigger concern is a professional industry with all of these very interested guys spending millions of dollars collectively.
I mean, some of these, if you're playing like one of the older sets competitively, Vintage, a deck can cost you $100,000 to be tournament legal.
So these are guys who have money, are successful, and they're morbidly obese and unkempt.
And I'm just like, Why?
Like, why?
Come on.
You know, like, we've got to have that... You know that video where all the guys are swinging from monkey bars in the 50s and they're all like... We gotta do that.
It's crazy for me to see professional, successful men in a top league with prizes in the millions of dollars just completely not taking care of themselves.
alex stein
We need to train like the Taliban on monkey bars.
But in the gaming industry, all eSports players, aren't they all kind of fat?
tim pool
This is it.
Here's what I'm going to do.
We're going to do an eSports tournament league.
It's going to be like a weekend thing.
alex stein
You have to have a size 36 waist.
unidentified
Boom.
tim pool
You got, like, if your body fat percentage is, like, what's, like, we'll be fair and say, like, what, 22% or something, or 24%?
Like, we're gonna let you be a little chubby, that's fine.
You know, we want you to be around average.
But if you're over a certain BMI or whatever, without being fit, like, if you're a ripped bodybuilder guy, your BMI's super high, you get a pass.
We're gonna do, like, a big prize, 100 grand, $100,000 esports prize, but you have to be fit.
alex stein
Well, in Hollywood, that's usually what they do, is like, the waist, like, it'd be like, if you're over 36 waist, it doesn't matter your BMI, you're too fat.
You know, that's kind of how the waist size is a good measurement.
tim pool
Well, we gotta get men, like, we can sit here all day and be like, oh, women in the workplace, and these things happen, and I just go back to like, men.
Men need to work harder, men need to lift more, men need to assume their responsibilities, and I'm not saying it's fair, or I'm not saying there's, like, women don't have privileges, it's not gonna, I'm saying, At the very least, any guy who's upset and trying to figure this out should be in shape.
rachel wilson
That's true.
I agree with you totally, but I mean, part of what caused this, like why?
Why do men just not care anymore?
And part of it is like the same Bolsheviks I was telling you about wrote extensively about how men, we have to neutralize the men.
We have to get rid of the patriarchy.
Why?
Because that's where private property is passed down through, that's where businesses and legacies are passed down through the man.
We can't have that.
Men need to be, if they're going to do anything, it needs to be for the state, right?
And then eventually for the commune when we abolish the state.
This was their idea.
And so they said the reason we need feminism and to push all the women into the workplace and get rid of marriage, they wanted to, they actually had like no-fault divorce early on in the Bolshevik regime because Colin Tai's idea was, if men don't know who their kids are, if men can't stay married and have a family, they don't have any motivation to build empires or legacies or own private property or accumulate cross-generational wealth.
And that's how we get rid of private property ownership.
You just disincentivize the men from building anything or doing any sort of greatness, right?
Just deter men from greatness because why do men do those things?
Like, Helen of Troy, they want the wife, they want the kids, they want their personal legacy that they want to build.
And if you take that away, I guess you get, like, fat gamer guys.
tim pool
Oh, that's so sad.
rachel wilson
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, it's funny because for a long time people ragged on video games saying, like, what's the point of that?
And I'm like, what's the point of any sport?
Like, guys are competing against each other to be the best at a thing.
The problem is now, a lot of these games don't require any kind of physical mobility.
You know what I was thinking, though, too?
With, like, Magic the Gathering, I went to a card shop last week.
I've been playing since the game came out in, like, 1994.
Like, seriously.
Not, like, came out in 93.
And me and my friends have always been in shape.
It's a fun game.
It's chess and poker combined.
But always, the dedicated players are out of shape, morbidly obese.
I just want to say this, because again, it's not about magic, but if you're a strategy game player, you're an esports enthusiast, your game will improve if you get in shape.
This is not even a question.
Your brain function, your reaction time, will improve if you are in shape and you lose weight.
Like, people who sing, exercise and work out.
Yeah.
rachel wilson
Aerobic capacity, lung capacity.
tim pool
Exactly.
Lung capacity.
And when you're, like, Vocal Lessons 101, if you're going to be a singer, you're supposed to do a physical warm-up exercise for your whole body to get your blood flowing, because your vocal cords are no different.
And you need to warm up, otherwise you can injure yourself, same as anything else.
So it's just like guys need to be working out.
That's just it.
rachel wilson
Another huge thing is testosterone levels.
If testosterone levels go up, your cognitive function and your reaction time and your mental clarity all go up as well.
So does your motivation to do anything in life.
So like it's the morbid obesity stuff combined with the low T and it's a vicious cycle.
If you're fat, you're low T and if you're low T, you're fat.
It's like this.
And same thing with being sedentary.
It's like this vicious cycle and And it's going to be hard.
tim pool
It's not easy.
That's the thing.
Life's not supposed to be easy.
There's that old quote that if life is like standing on a treadmill, if you stand still, you move backwards.
If you walk, you stay in the same place.
You have to run to try and get ahead.
rachel wilson
Yeah.
alex stein
That's a good analogy or good parable.
I like that one.
tim pool
Yeah.
alex stein
Life is short too.
tim pool
So that's also... I got another one for you.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Whether you think you can or cannot do it, you are correct.
Was it Harry Truman or something?
unidentified
Probably.
tim pool
I don't remember.
Whether you believe you can or you can't, you are correct.
That's a good one, huh?
alex stein
That is pretty good and very profound.
rachel wilson
I have another good one.
I have another good one for you.
Simone de Beauvoir, the premier feminist philosopher of the 20th century, in a conversation with Betty Friedan in the 70s, they did an interview together, and de Beauvoir said, there cannot be such a choice for women as to stay home with their children.
We can't have such a choice precisely because if there is one, too many of them will choose that.
And I think she's right.
I'm betting on it.
I'm betting that if women have the choice to be mothers and stay home, that that's what they will want to do.
And we just need to make that cool again.
tim pool
But I do believe that a large component is social enforcement.
Women are looking to what other women will say about them.
And so if Instagram today only showed women videos from mommy vloggers, they'd all want to know.
If Taylor Swift announces she's having a baby and then starts writing songs about how being a mom is the greatest thing in the world, that would help.
Baby boom!
rachel wilson
It would.
tim pool
And that's why, you know, I can't stand the conservative hate for Taylor Swift, where they're always just ragging on her for some reason or another.
I'm like, what is wrong?
She's not singing WAP.
She's not singing Wet-Ass Pussy.
She's singing, like, Hannah Clare brings this up.
I don't know her songs.
I know some of the songs.
But she has one where she says, you stole my youth, like the best years of my life were taken from me by this bad relationship.
And I'm like, She's like the cheerleader dating the jock.
She is the high school prom king and queen, and all of these young girls are looking up to her.
You want Taylor Swift to succeed and get married and have babies, and then all these young women are going to follow suit.
rachel wilson
I do want that, but that's going to be tough when she has one song where she does say, F the patriarchy.
tim pool
But do you know what that song is?
See, this is the problem.
I don't know the whole context.
She's making fun of her boyfriend.
She was making fun of Jake Gyllenhaal for being a feminist.
rachel wilson
Oh really?
tim pool
I do want her to get married and have babies.
That would be huge.
is that you threw your keys at me, F the patriarchy keychain falls on the ground.
She's not literally saying F, and this is the frustrating thing.
rachel wilson
All the conservatives- - I do want her to get married and have babies.
That would be huge.
tim pool
It would be so helpful. - All these conservatives are like, "I can't believe she just yelled F the patriarchy.
And then when I saw that video, I was like, I wonder what the song's about, and I pulled it up, and she's saying her loser boyfriend, who wasted her time, she's making fun of Jake Gyllenhaal, apparently.
I don't know everything about her, so like, Hannah Clare knew this better.
Because she actually knows the stuff.
The song is from 11 years ago or something like that.
She wrote an extended version a few years ago.
She's criticizing this guy for being a male degenerate who promised her a relationship and then abandoned her, wasting her youth.
It was, quote, F the patriarchy on his keychain.
She's basically saying, you're this loser male feminist guy who acted big and then and then like treated me like shit.
And then conservatives are like, like, guys, I'm not.
And Mary Morgan Morgan shout out.
She's on pop culture crisis.
She had a response to me saying, it's not about what the song's about, all the girls at the stadium were putting up middle fingers and yelling, fuck the patriarchy, literally.
And I'm like, that may be, but that's a product of the corporate press, not Taylor Swift.
Let Taylor Swift have her babies with Travis Kelce, and then write a song called, like, Mommy Dearest, where she says things like, the greatest joy I've ever known is holding the baby here in my arms, or whatever, and then watch all these young women be like, I agree!
rachel wilson
I hope for that.
That's genuinely what I hope for her and for all of her followers.
Because she has like an insanely loyal fan base.
So if she were to do that, I would I would be a Swifty.
tim pool
Sure.
She will.
rachel wilson
If she does that, I'll.
tim pool
Well, she will do it.
unidentified
I'm a metal head and I really don't listen.
tim pool
So I'm not a big Taylor Swift fan, right?
My point is just understand the context, but also understand the strategy.
She's apparently written songs in the past couple of years about how she wants to get married and have kids.
And conservatives are attacking her.
And I'm like, dude, you've got WAP.
You've got wet-ass pussy on the TV.
You've got the dude sucking Satan's dick.
And then you've got Taylor Swift being like, I want to be a mom.
And you're like, no!
unidentified
Taylor Swift sucks!
tim pool
It's like, stop, stop.
alex stein
Well, Taylor Swift is incredibly talented, incredibly successful, but she did rig Super Bowl 58.
Total Conspiracy, Taylor Swift's favorite number is 13.
Super Bowl 58, 5 plus 8 is 13.
That proves it.
Chiefs, what, listen, Chiefs versus 49ers, what's 4 plus 9?
13.
Now, here's the big one, right?
She's dating Travis Kelce.
What's 100 minus Travis Kelce's number, 87?
13.
She rigged the Super Bowl.
unidentified
I'm sick of you rigging the Super Bowl, Taylor!
tim pool
Everybody now should start firing up the grill because it is... I love this week.
I was talking to my dad, like, what do we do for Fourth of July?
You know, do we go out to the country?
Do we go to the city?
Do we do, like, the city fireworks display?
And then I realized...
We do both.
Because there's a bunch of 4th of July celebrations, but then they're doing it Friday on the 5th as well, and on Saturday because it's a four-day week.
It's Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
So I'm like, oh, this is going to be fantastic.
So, of course, we've been off, but you guys should go enjoy time with your family and stop thinking about all the weird shenanigans and just hug your loved ones.
So we'll just, we'll wrap things up.
Rachel, do you want to shout anything out as we close out?
rachel wilson
Yeah, I'm Rachel Wilson.
You can find my book, Occult Feminism, The Secret History of Women's Liberation, on Amazon.
You can go to my YouTube channel.
It's just Rachel Wilson.
And please visit my Substack, which is rwilson.substack.com.
I have a ton of essays and articles on there about everything we've been talking about.
alex stein
And I'm primetype99 pimp on a blimp, or as... Simp on a blimp.
Yes, as you guys said, simp on a blimp, and I'll just... I'll say one quote from one of my favorite philosophers, Sir Mix-a-Lot.
I like big butts, and I cannot lie.
lilly gaddis
I'm Lily.
You can find me on... I'm on X at... under Lily, L-L-D-D-I-I-S-S.
I need to get a better handle.
And then I'm on Rumble and YouTube at The Lily Pad.
tim pool
Right on.
And, Calum, of course, pressing all the buttons.
unidentified
Yep.
Set some fireworks off where they're legal.
tim pool
Where they're legal.
Remember that.
Alright, everybody.
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You can see, we'll probably have some clips up, but we're off.
We're going to go celebrate with family.
I hope you do, too.
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