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May 31, 2024 - The Culture War - Tim Pool
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The Culture War #66 Deep State Corruption, Trump Conviction Press Conference w/M.I.A & Shane Cashman

Host: Tim Pool Guests: M.I.A @MIAuniverse (X) | Ohmni.com Shane Cashman @ShaneCashman (everywhere) Producers:  Lisa Elizabeth @LisaElizabeth (X) Kellen Leeson @KellenPDL (X) Connect with TENET Media: https://twitter.com/watchTENETnow https://www.facebook.com/watchTENET https://www.instagram.com/watchtenet/ https://www.tiktok.com/@watchtenet https://www.youtube.com/@watchTENET https://rumble.com/c/c-5080150 https://www.tenetmedia.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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tim pool
It's the morning after.
Donald Trump was found guilty on 34 counts.
You've got one side of the aisle gloating and laughing, saying this is the rule of law.
The other side, of course, is saying something dark has happened to our country.
And it's wild because there have been many dark things happening in this country for a very long time.
But I suppose targeting your political rival with criminal prosecution in numerous ways to stop him from winning an election is particularly dark because it's the end of the system.
It's fascinating to me, though, that so many Americans don't care about or tolerate murder, kidnapping, military rendition, extrajudicial assassinations because it doesn't affect our system.
It reminds me of The Joker and Dark Knight.
When he says, if I told the press that like a busload of soldiers will be blown up or a gangbanger will get shot, nobody cares.
It's all part of the plan.
But when he says one mayor will die, everyone loses their mind.
I certainly think it's a bit more extreme seeing the frontrunner for the 2024 presidential election being threatened with prison, convicted.
It's particularly extreme, and I understand why people are shocked.
But there is a lot of stuff going on that needs to be broken down.
And so I can just say...
First, we are going to — we don't normally do this, but it's such tremendous historical news — at 11, when Trump gives his press conference, we will pull it up.
It is going to be in line with our conversation.
I just want to say, though, you know, I wake up feeling relief that Trump was found guilty, because now it means that we can go after Barack Obama for the extrajudicial assassination of Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki, who was 16 years old and killed in a drone strike that he signed off on.
I know.
I wish I was kidding.
I'm sorry.
I wish I was kidding about that, but the reality is I'm kidding about him actually going to jail for it.
The first ever prosecution, felony charge of a former president was not for the extrajudicial assassinations, the illegal wars, the stealing of money, funneling off our resources, destroying the American—all of these things.
All of these things.
It was because improper filing of documents.
That's the game they play.
unidentified
Oh well.
tim pool
So we're going to talk about government corruption, we're going to talk about a whole bunch of stuff.
We're hanging out today on The Culture War with Maya, also known as MIA.
Singer, rapper, what do you go by?
Musician?
m i a
Musician.
Artist is good.
Yeah, artist.
tim pool
Right on.
And you've got anti-EMF clothing.
m i a
I have a clothing brand launching today.
It's called Omniwear.
And yeah, I wanted to come on your podcast to talk about that because it is all about data and privacy and things like that.
tim pool
Right on.
And we'll talk a lot about it.
Shane's joining us.
shane cashman
I'm excited to be here.
unidentified
Hi.
shane cashman
I'm excited to talk about all the dissent that we should be doing with someone who's been a dissenter and one of the rare actual dissenters in pop culture.
Well, let's knock on wood, Maya.
m i a
Let's knock on wood.
But here's some of the protective wear that limits some of that.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, I definitely, I'm really excited to talk about that because it's like chic tinfoil hat, right?
m i a
It is.
So like, you know, over the last past, I would say, what, four years, I got branded as a conspiracy theorist.
It's a label.
So I decided to make a label.
And the first thing I'm launching is a tinfoil hat.
And so... What's the website?
unidentified
Omniware?
tim pool
It's omni.com.
shane cashman
Can you say what started the rumors of you being a conspiracy theorist?
What did you do?
tim pool
How do you spell Omni?
m i a
I guess it was O-H-M-N-I.
And if you go to Omni.com, it will be, I don't know if it's live right now, but it's going live today.
Okay, so just keep refreshing it.
But I bought a hat.
I bought also some other, this one has a hat that we can talk about.
So there is a bucket hat, which is reversible, so you can wear it black, and you can also wear it silver if you want.
And this is good for Virginia, 'cause it's a sun hat.
- Oh, cool. - And all the hats are lined with silver, copper.
- Silver! - And yeah, so this, what I'm wearing, is silver.
unidentified
Wow.
m i a
It's real silver.
So you don't get BO either.
When the stock market goes up and down on silver, our products kind of might get affected.
We're still figuring it out because this is our first collection.
tim pool
It's also antibacterial.
Silver and copper.
m i a
Yeah, so this is detachable.
You can, you know, limit the amount of protection you need.
But yeah, so I made some hats and I made an entire clothing range.
I was like, why stop there?
And it's really good for like pregnancy.
And so we made like maternity dresses and things like that.
tim pool
Why did you make it?
m i a
I made it after Yul Harari said all humans are hackable.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The World Economic Forum guy.
m i a
I was like, hmm, that's a really great thing to work off and this is just giving you a choice.
You know, like if you want your heartbeat measured every time you go down the high street in a smart city, you don't have to wear Omni, but if you don't want that, you know, today you wanna own your own data and your own biometrics and your own stuff, then you can just put on Omni and today you wanna own your own data and your own biometrics and your own stuff, then you can just
And like, I have a do-rag and this is a mesh, which is metal, and you put it on and you can choose when your Neuralink is operational.
So that's really what it is.
shane cashman
But you wouldn't get the Neuralink, would you?
m i a
Huh?
shane cashman
You wouldn't get the Neuralink, would you?
m i a
I wouldn't get it.
I don't need it.
But, you know, hopefully it is what they're saying it's for, which is to make people who need it in a medical way.
tim pool
That's how it starts.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
That's how it starts.
You don't need it now, but you'll need it in 10 years.
m i a
What's going to happen is... Well, we're going to be told we need it.
tim pool
It's going to be like a cell phone now.
You're going to be working on your latest album or whatever, and they're going to say, this is fantastic.
We definitely want to do a big deal with you.
Can you give us your Neuralink username?
And you're going to say, I don't have Neuralink.
And they're going to go, well, how do we get in touch with you?
And you're going to say, just call me on my phone.
No one here has a phone.
And then they're going to be like, is there someone else we can reach out to?
And they're going to say, look, sorry, if you want to work here, you want to work with us, we need to be able to contact you.
That's how it is.
I mean, could you imagine if someone was like, I don't have the internet?
They'd be like, what?
m i a
Well, that's why there's a phone that gets you off grid.
Yeah.
tim pool
Can I see it?
It'll turn my phone off.
m i a
Yeah.
You can put it and then you can try to call and it will turn it off.
tim pool
It's nice material too.
m i a
So inside it's lined.
shane cashman
You said you were in Dubai for the apocalyptic storm.
Were you wearing your Omni in all that fake rain?
m i a
I actually was.
unidentified
And?
m i a
Because I was there for Omni and I was, you know, and I kind of sleep in this stuff too.
Um, So I did think, wow, something's going on because everybody's like, this is a force majeure, it's an act of God.
And, you know, you're here in the apocalypse.
And I was like, wow, like God really hates me.
Of all places and all times, I've never been to Dubai.
And here I am, first day, boom, the apocalypse.
And I was like, how?
But then it was also the crazy week where Iran and Israel were fighting.
And that thing was going on.
And so the clouds were kind of coming from the Iranian side as well, because we're on the coast.
So I didn't really know what was going on.
It's like, is this somebody getting trigger happy on the weather machine?
shane cashman
I think it's that.
m i a
Is it coming from Iran because some cloud was generated to block something and then someone went crazy on it?
And, you know, or is this Israel testing some weather machine?
Or is this like, you know, you don't know because you're right there in the center of where it's coming.
And the floods kind of went from Dubai and then I think it went to Afghanistan.
You know, it moved in a direction away from Iran.
Yeah.
So I was there and this stuff, you know, it's really interesting in a city like that because they are super modern.
They are going on turbo in terms of smart cities and things like that.
And so it's perfect for that.
shane cashman
Yeah.
m i a
You know, it's just it's just going to be part of it.
The fabric of modern life.
shane cashman
Were they receptive to this type of fashion?
m i a
They don't know yet what Omni the brand is.
This is the first time I'm actually going on air talking about it.
Oh wow.
I did go on Gwyneth's goop show in terms of the maternity dress.
And I think she was interested in it and she had a lot of flack for talking about it on her show.
She got cancelled.
shane cashman
Because she's now considered a conspiracy theorist.
m i a
Oh look, there it is.
It's live.
tim pool
Yeah, we got it.
unidentified
Woo!
tim pool
Silver Skelton.
m i a
Wow, that's the first time I'm seeing it live.
tim pool
Yo, you gotta, have you talked to Alex Jones?
m i a
Not yet!
tim pool
You gotta, I feel like... He owes me a career.
m i a
Yeah.
He owes me my music career back.
He is the guy that my last record was cancelled over.
Why?
unidentified
What happened?
m i a
The day I said that tweet was, happens to be the day that my record was going to be released to the world.
What was the tweet?
It was about lies, lies on the internet, you know?
And I said, people can't be fined a billion dollars for lying because so many people lie.
Like I can think of like 25 people that needs to be fined a billion dollars right now.
shane cashman
Every president we've had.
m i a
That has been detrimental to humanity, you know?
Not just the emotional suffering of families that were Part of this incident, but lies that have changed the course of humanity.
shane cashman
Yeah.
They engineer the narrative of life.
unidentified
Yeah.
m i a
So I was kind of like, wow, this is amazing.
I was actually thinking of it in a positive way.
I wasn't defending him.
I was like, yo, if we're going to find people for lying, this is a great thing.
Let's go and make that list, you know, and let's, let's go and find people.
tim pool
What happened to your record?
m i a
And they pulled my record, I got cancelled.
When was this?
That was four years ago?
No, this was 22, October 2022.
unidentified
So wait, who was they though?
I'm walking out.
m i a
Who are they?
tim pool
Who are they?
The record label?
m i a
The record label, yes.
tim pool
They cancelled your album?
m i a
Yes.
shane cashman
Is this Jay-Z?
m i a
Can we get into that?
I was on Island.
shane cashman
Okay.
m i a
Yeah.
I was on Island.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
That's wild.
unidentified
Has the music come out or what's going on with it?
m i a
That was it.
It got cancelled and I got dropped off all the magazine covers, you know, like GQ dropped my cover.
I think people from Vogue and stuff like that.
There was loads of press lined up and everybody cancelled it.
shane cashman
It's worth noting this is not the first time you've pissed off entire portions of the world.
m i a
No, it happens on a regular basis.
shane cashman
When was the first?
What would you say would be the first time you did something that gave you all that pushback?
m i a
I think the first would be when I released my first song, Sun Showers, and I said, like, PLO, I don't surrender.
And then I had loads of people turn up to my shows and write into the government and stuff and say, this person should not be touring in America.
And this was 2005.
This was 2005, and so that's when I started having issues with the visa.
So before 2005, I've been to America many times and it was just smooth, you know, everything was cool.
And I was traveling with Elastica band and I went to every single state, like there was no problems.
But when I released that song, people would write in to, you know, the FBI and stuff like that and be like, she's saying this and da, da, da, da, da.
shane cashman
They called you a terrorist sympathizer?
m i a
That was it.
So that was the beginning.
shane cashman
So it's weird to me that you can mention PLO in a pop song, however many years, 10 years ago, and now it's 20 years ago.
I'm stuck obviously in the 90s.
And then now it's like a glamorous thing in pop culture, like the Hadids can come out and say all this stuff, and it's like glamorized.
tim pool
What is PLO for those that don't know?
m i a
A Palestinian liberation organization.
And my, my dad was part of the revolution in Sri Lanka.
And, um, so when he started, uh, his movement was called Eros.
And, uh, when he started Eros was trained by the PLO in the seventies.
Um, And so they were kind of connected to the Tamil cause but they were connected to, I think, every single cause in the 70s because there were revolutions popping up all over the world.
And that was a very normal thing that you, you basically train with a pillow.
tim pool
I just saw the boxers and I'm like, Yo.
m i a
Yes.
These allow you to have generations.
I'm like, have generations.
This is pro humanity.
You know, this is so people can deal with the fact that, um, you know, the, the, it's good.
shane cashman
This is important.
m i a
This is important stuff.
It's going to, it's going to allow people to have babies.
tim pool
Yeah, as soon as I saw, I'm like looking at all the shirts and I'm like, I get it, you know, and then I saw that and I was like, oh, now I really get it.
unidentified
Yeah.
m i a
It means you can put your laptop on your lap and not going to fry your nuts.
And it's not going to fry you.
And these tracksuit bottoms I'm wearing is the same.
So half of this is got silver lining and this is normal.
Um, but you can put your laptop on that and your room is protected or you're, you know, saving humanity.
shane cashman
So I was going to say, it's weird to me that you get so much flack all that 20 years ago for saying that, but now it's, it's glamorous, but now it's glamorous to, to be a activist, you know, whereas, Oh yeah.
tim pool
I think you're going to sell every single one of these.
I think it's going to sell.
m i a
Tim four hat.
tim pool
I know that's it.
m i a
I'm like reversible.
shane cashman
Fred Durst needs one of these on tour right now.
m i a
And Joe Rogan needs that.
He's got a big head.
He's got a lot of surface area to attack.
tim pool
I feel like all of this stuff is going to sell out instantly.
m i a
So that's my son modeling it.
Oh, wow.
shane cashman
That's awesome.
m i a
And he's named the iKid.
shane cashman
That's awesome.
m i a
So, I thought, what's better to bring this into the world than iKid, who's very, you know, came out the same year iPhones did.
shane cashman
The poncho, is that the poncho you're talking about?
m i a
That's the poncho, the anti-drone poncho.
tim pool
This one right here?
m i a
Yeah.
shane cashman
That's great.
unidentified
Wow.
m i a
Yeah, it's anti-surveillance and anti-drone.
But, you know, we'll...
shane cashman
Are these going to help root out the NSO groups?
Hopefully if you wear these it will help negate the Pegasus spyware getting into your phones.
m i a
I don't know, I'm trying.
I'm not an expert.
I'm just beginning.
shane cashman
I think we need it.
tim pool
I think the underwear sells out instantly.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
There's going to be a bunch of women who are going to buy this for their boyfriends or husbands or whatever.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
And they're going to be like, we're having kids and they're going to put it on.
m i a
I think if you're interested in having families, this is the brand for you.
shane cashman
Yep.
m i a
You know, it's like, also like for my son, he's a teenager and I have to make something that's cool enough that he's been to those jeans.
So you can see that it's 50% silver.
Yeah.
And 50% denim.
tim pool
Do you make him wear it all?
m i a
Well, it's all new to him, you know, because I didn't get into the U.S.
for the last six months, and so I made this outside of the U.S.
shane cashman
Right.
m i a
And then I just got my visa, and so then I was like, da-da-da-da-da, like, I just wanted to make it a surprise, and we made this, you know, happen in that time I was away.
shane cashman
Wow.
tim pool
I'm a bit disappointed you didn't call it a fanny pack, though.
You called it a waste bag.
m i a
Okay, I will change it.
tim pool
I'm kidding.
You guys say fanny pack in the UK?
m i a
We say bum bag.
tim pool
Yeah, because in the US, fanny means butt.
But in the UK, fanny means something else.
m i a
But bum means butt, too.
tim pool
Yeah.
m i a
Funny.
tim pool
But, like, if you were to say fanny pack in the UK, it would mean something very different.
m i a
Yes, true.
We don't say that at all there.
tim pool
Fanny bag?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Or what is it?
unidentified
Yeah.
m i a
But that's also, like, it gives you a pocket inside where you could go off grid, and it's an option.
If you want your friends to call you, you could put it in one compartment.
If you want to go completely off grid, you put it in a different compartment.
shane cashman
Was it hearing that he could hack our bodies?
That set off you looking into all these different things?
Or were you already on a path of like, we're being poisoned at every possible front?
m i a
Well, I just think that, um, uh, I think it's an interesting time.
We're not going to stop the fact that people are going to build smart cities, you know, and, and during COVID, um, it was just like such an aggressive sell of that thing.
And I went into a mall and it was a shop, a Chinese shop called Uniqlo, and they bought this new technology where you could just grab whatever you want in the store and you put it into this bucket And the bucket just tells you what you got.
unidentified
You don't check out anymore?
m i a
You don't check out and you don't even have to put it neatly, you know, so it's like, I've got ADD.
And then you stuff it into this thing and this thing says, oh, you got 10 items and this is how much it is.
And then you just swipe and go.
And it's not tagged, you know?
So I was like, wow, that's incredible.
Um, but this is such a powerful technology.
Uh, then I realized that the entire shop was the bucket, you know, so you walk in and the shop is looking at what the last song I listened to, you know, what the video I watched and what colors I like, and it's using AI to analyze my phone and everything, and then doing my facial recognition and looking at my reactions and my eye movements that Certain clothing.
And it's so sophisticated.
And I was like, wow, this is like, the shop is a box.
And then I stepped out of the shop and I was like, whoa, the street is a box.
You know?
shane cashman
Earth is a box.
m i a
And then I was like, whoa, the whole city is a box.
And then it was like, we're not going to stop that.
It's like the traffic lights are doing that and the CCTV.
So in England, you're like, We're the most surveillance country in the world, you know, and we have all of this technology constantly bombarding us.
And I thought I was going to move to a farm, but I didn't.
And I carried on living in a city.
And then I was like, OK, there has to be something that then helps me.
If I can't take my son and live on a farm off grid and running around in a field, grounding myself, then I have to bring that to the city.
And what are you going to do?
You know, and it's like, am I going to grow vegetables on my roof?
Am I going to, you know, plant a tree in my house?
Like, what am I doing?
And this is one of the things that I feel like I can merge a 15 year old fashion conscious mind right now.
He's really into it.
Into health.
tim pool
Think about what the future's going to be like.
You walk into the store.
Amazon did this.
I remember when Amazon launched their market.
You walk in, grab whatever you want, you walk out.
And then it just tracks everything you're doing.
m i a
Apparently that was a lie.
tim pool
So, it worked, but I easily exploited it.
So as soon as it opened, I went there and I filmed myself taking whatever I wanted without paying for it.
Very easily.
It was paid for.
We just used an exploit.
I'm not going to explain because it still works today.
But I was able to go in, fill up a thing, walk out.
We did pay for everything.
I called Amazon right away and let them know that I had done it.
I was able to walk out without paying, but we made sure everyone was paid for.
And I filmed a time-lapse doing it.
But my concern is, yeah, and their response to me was basically like, oh, we don't care.
The amount of money that we save by not having employees covers the cost of loss.
Literally don't care at all.
It's meaningless to us.
I'm like, okay, it's kind of weird.
People are going to steal, and they're like, yeah, don't care.
Here's a funny thing.
They got rid of it, and they're getting rid of self-checkout because everyone's stealing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But here's what the future is going to be like.
You walk into the store with these 15-minute cities, these smart cities.
You walk into the clothing store and you go, ooh, this shirt looks good.
There's no tag on it.
You put it in your basket.
Oh, I need a pair of socks.
I need some underwear.
You throw it in your basket.
No tags on any of it.
You walk out.
You check your app, you've been deducted $326 because of inflation, right?
Your T-shirt's gonna be expensive.
But where does that money come from?
What does money mean?
It's all gonna be social credit score.
As we're moving into the AI world, automation, the calls for UBI and all this stuff, how will you get money to be able to go in and grab those clothes?
You're gonna be a good model citizen.
You're gonna be high social credit score.
And then if you have a high social credit score, they're gonna say, you've got an extra 2,000 allotted to you this month for having a score over 800.
And then you can walk in, take whatever you want, you walk into the McDonald's or whatever, and you just press cheeseburger, and then, just, boop, pops right up for you, and you don't even gotta transact anything, it's all tracking you, it's looking at your eyes, looking at your face, the machine is watching you everywhere you go, judging you, you crumple up your wrappers, and you accidentally throw one in the wrong one, oh no, that was recycling!
Such a great score goes down, and you go, oh crap, so you jump in, you grab it, pull it out, you wave to the camera, and you put it in the recycling, and say, no, no, no, no, no, no, I did it, I did it!
And then boop boop boop boop goes back up.
shane cashman
I would say China already has that to a degree.
tim pool
Yep.
shane cashman
I remember seeing people locked out during lockdowns of their houses and apartments and they couldn't use like the hand devices to get in.
They were like have to sleep outside in the parks.
Whoa.
And UK is really bad with surveillance.
Aren't there people right now taking down those cameras?
tim pool
Smashing them.
m i a
Yeah, they're called Blade Runners.
unidentified
What?
shane cashman
Sick name.
m i a
Yeah, so that's cool that they're incentivized to do that.
This is not good if the London mayor's listening to this, but that's nice when people take matters into their hands to slow down what's going on because in the UK, it's not a social credit system.
It's just too...
It just like grinds society to a halt.
You know, this is another thing we're talking about creativity and artistic expression and how some of these things are really important to society and artists think, you know, we need some space to think.
It's not easy to think in a box, you know, and I think with all the monitoring systems that's in place, And they have apparently the most sophisticated camera on street cameras.
So when they, you know, if you're speeding, when they do the speeding ticket, like it's this incredible, sophisticated camera that scans you in 3D and sees the inside of the car.
And, you know, like it can see if you're texting while you're driving.
And you're like, wow, this, I can't make music videos with this kind of technology, you know, without it being such a crazy thing.
But we have it on a speeding ticket.
tim pool
They've had devices for decades that shoots a laser.
And when the laser hits glass, it can translate the vibrations in the glass into audio.
So if you're in a room talking, they point it at the window and then they get a low resolution audio and they can hear you talking.
That's been for like 30 years.
shane cashman
We've been under global surveillance for decades.
I mean the UK is in the Five Eyes program with us and Australia and New Zealand.
I forget who the other one might be in that.
m i a
Canada.
tim pool
Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand and US.
m i a
See this is what makes me get more spiritual.
shane cashman
Demons?
m i a
- How's that? - Demons. - Well, I wrote a book about this on Omni, and it got taken down.
It was called Omni 9 and it was about the universe and how it is coded in mathematics and God codes all this stuff and then the demons use their own understanding of maths to decode it.
And surveillance and monitoring and all of this stuff is done to monitor human beings because the belief of human beings matters, you know, which side they empower.
So when humans believe in God, gods are strengthened and, you know, the angels are strengthened and when they're confused and they get tricked or let down, you know, Confusion route, then demons are empowered.
So the only way to do that is through technology.
So that was the book.
tim pool
But you recently became Christian?
m i a
I became Christian, yeah.
I got baptized.
tim pool
When was that?
m i a
I got baptized in 2022, but I became a Christian in, I guess, 2017.
tim pool
What sparked that awakening?
m i a
My real name is Ma Dengi, right?
And it's the goddess of music and spoken word.
tim pool
Really?
m i a
Wow.
Yeah, in Hinduism, which I didn't know.
So I grew up an atheist, even when I came out as MIA, I was an atheist.
And my dad always said religion is used as a tool for social control.
And he was raised Catholic though.
And so then, I guess after I made the Maya album, is when I found out what my name meant.
After I got cancelled for saying connected to Google, connected to the government.
And that was the opening of the record and then obviously WikiLeaks and everything came out in 2010, 2011, around that time.
But this record came out just before it and so then, you know, it just kind of It was about technology because the iPhone came out and it was, the reason why that happened is because of my observation to do with the Tamil genocide, like what, what kind of happened during 2009.
And I didn't really think too much about the wider scope of how things were going to be in the world.
Um, then everyone canceled me.
And when I was cancelled I went to India for a bit and then that's when I discovered what my name meant.
And it was kind of a cool thing because in Hinduism you had a concept of a goddess who was the goddess of music and also the goddess of the untouchables so it's about giving voice to the voiceless.
And she was a goddess of spoken word, which was kind of like rapping.
So when the record labels were like, why are you political?
Because you'd be better making pop records.
I brought back this story and I said, look, 5,000 years ago, They'd already written a concept where it was possible to be a musician and stick up for people and talk about pollution of information and, you know, fight for something.
Like, it's okay to have these things kind of cross over.
And so it was very useful having this Hindu understanding, so I became a Hindu.
And so then I went down the path of Hinduism and studied it and tried to understand it a lot.
And then suddenly, out of nowhere, five years into it, I had a vision of Jesus.
Yeah, while I was awake.
shane cashman
Can you describe that?
m i a
So I just made the Borders video.
Great video.
Yeah, so that was the last thing I did as a Hindu.
And it was about, again, humanity.
And I thought that creatively, because Matangi is the goddess of creativity as well.
So I really felt that I had to make this to understand This was it?
Yeah.
And, you know, the whole time I had the strength to make this video on my own.
So I directed it and we kind of did the whole thing in 20 days.
Again, there was a storm.
I was going on holiday and there was a storm where I was going.
So I landed in Chennai and then we were we were stuck there because of the storm.
And we thought, OK, let's just make a video.
And we started and finished it from scratch within 20 days, you know and and that that I thought was like divine.
shane cashman
It's a huge production.
m i a
It's huge.
There's a lot of people People and we had a crew of 200 it was massive So to do that very quickly, it's like you had to believe in something to get through and what the message was.
And, you know, so I was feeling very comfortable in Hinduism.
But the funny thing we did during this video is we kept going to like markets in India and buying really badly spelled shirts and we were going to put it in the video as a joke.
Because Indians always make these motivational shirts, but they spell it all wrong.
So one of the ones on route to this day, like this specific day, I think this was like day two or three, we had one where I was walking on water and that's because all my stuntmen let me down.
So we had to kind of improvise a shot.
So they were like, you know, we don't have the ramps that we're going to Shoot the speedboat into the air, but we can make you a ramp where you can stand in the water.
And I was like, okay.
But that day we found a t-shirt that said, Jesus sad, instead of Jesus said, I am the way.
So we thought it was funny and I put on this Jesus sad t-shirt.
And so it was kind of weird that we had this shot and, um, but I didn't really think about it.
And then straight after I made this video, um, Something else happened in the Hindu realm, and then I had a vision of Jesus, because I don't know why, but it happened.
And Matangi, or Matangi the goddess, it was always about freedom of speech.
And to protect freedom of speech and speech is super important.
And it's the articulation of inner thought into external sound.
And she resides in the throat in between your brain sending the signal and being turned into words.
And so it was always about truth, you know, and So when I was cancelled, and in between those two albums, I was cancelled like 50 other times for all different other reasons.
shane cashman
Super Bowl.
m i a
Super Bowl, you know, there's the stuff about when I said Obama should give back his Nobel Peace Prize, like there was many, many things, and then Julian Assange.
You know meeting him and then I made the WikiLeaks album and it was all like a million other things.
But then I thought you know truth is an important thing and when I had the vision of Jesus, it's not like I could lie about it, or pretend I didn't have it.
You know, I still have to be truthful, because even in the context of the thing I'd followed before, which was Martinguy, the concept of this deity, it stood for truth.
And it was part of my journey and exploration to find out what that meant.
And once you take truth serious, then you get revealed this other truth.
And then you're like, Whoa, that's crazy.
Like what if this all was supposed to be up to this point, you know, and maybe there's something else that's going to come after.
I don't know, you know, but at this point that is a truth and can't lie about it.
And so then I was like, why did that happen?
Um, cause my life was pretty, I was quite comfortable in Hinduism.
And then I guess when 2020 came along, it sort of made more sense.
You know, it really did feel like things were changing.
And even though the Borders song was all of those things where I was saying, we do need a reset.
I said it.
No other artist said that.
You know, the opening of this song literally says, we need a new rhythm, we need a reset.
And then you throw all these things into the air, like what does values mean?
What does your family mean?
What does your belief mean?
Yeah, politics mean or the borders or everything, you know, as large topics and issues.
What do they all mean?
Once you begin to, uh, A tear at the fabric of society where meanings are given to things and, you know, and we override that, you know?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
m i a
And so of course all of those things are going to start breaking, you know, if you remove the foundation.
So I was already there in 2016 asking these questions because, yes, I saw the change, you know, and and I guess it was written before Trump came into power.
And so then.
I was.
After you asked those questions, you just kind of like, well, what do you do now?
You know, and then I had the vision And I don't know why, and I don't understand what the reason, what was the reason for it.
And then when 2020 happened, I see it on like a bigger level to be like, okay, this is, you know, certain things happen because they have to happen.
And, um, you know, It's it's I guess we're still living through that time.
shane cashman
I had a very similar experience where I was an atheist Christ offered me the only structure and joy to chaos That this world gives you and it was happening up and up into lockdowns as you're also noticing like we're talking about technology and like this totalitarian techno world we're in They're trying to become God, and they're trying to be omniscient.
m i a
Yes.
shane cashman
Whereas, like, there's an ancient omniscience that I was now believing in because it's the only way to push back against this fake omniscience in the world.
m i a
Exactly.
tim pool
You also recently got baptized.
shane cashman
Last summer, yeah.
tim pool
Last summer.
A lot of people.
shane cashman
We're in a revival, Tim.
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, we have a lot of people come into this studio who are, oh yeah, you know, I found Christ and things like that, or more specifically that Well, it makes sense.
m i a
It makes sense.
It gives you peace now because I don't know where else to find it.
I mean, even Hinduism, I have a lot of people around me who are.
It's chaotic, you know, and therapy doesn't have the answer, science doesn't really have the answer, and, you know, science is a study to me, but it's not the answer, you know.
And I was very, very, very judgmental.
My mum was a Christian for as long as she is, and I was very judgmental and always felt like You know, I'm an intellectual and I look down at Christians as something as it, you know, like naive people followed because they had nothing else, you know.
But I don't think that anymore.
tim pool
The weirdest thing to me is that people will lie and claim I'm an atheist.
I don't understand it.
shane cashman
You've said, I mean I've heard you say it hundreds of times that you're not an atheist.
tim pool
There's never been an instance where we've done a show where I have ever said I'm atheist or I don't believe in God.
shane cashman
I think you've even said the story many times of like going to a skater's house and seeing the painting of Jesus and asking him like what's up with that and like him giving you that nuance that perhaps we don't all have.
m i a
There are atheists who do The right thing, as well, sometimes.
Oh yeah, absolutely, for sure.
And they don't know why they do what they do, but that's okay.
Like, for example, Julian Assange, I would say he's like that, you know, he's like my dad.
He's an atheist.
He's an atheist.
tim pool
You gotta talk to him, he's wrong.
m i a
Yeah.
shane cashman
A lot of smart people are wrong.
m i a
It doesn't mean, you know, he's also not willed by a certain power that, you know, that is Because people find the drive and the will and the energy from somewhere to do what they do.
And, you know, he went up against things that is a very selfless cause.
You know, it's like he doesn't benefit from what he did.
You know, he was trying to speak about pointless deaths of some journalists, which will affect many, many journalists.
But doesn't really, you know, he had no gain.
It's not like he was going to end up with a billion-dollar tech company at the end of it, you know.
And a lot of people in that time did.
Like, loads of people became billionaires off tech companies, yet this man didn't, you know.
So he was willed from something.
shane cashman
Those people who became billionaires ended up working in tandem with the government.
m i a
Yes.
shane cashman
And letting them censor all of us.
unidentified
Yes.
shane cashman
During lockdowns.
m i a
And we got, you know, we got That tech became used to go after every single person in humanity and, you know, whatever your Harari is talking about now, whether humans are hackable or whatever, however that is done, you know, is through all of these technologies that
shane cashman
Yeah, so I'd also say Christ is like the greatest subverter of evil and so to be Christ-like is trying to subvert evil and what Assange did is subverting evil and that's why I think a lot of the evil people in government hate that transparency because they're like, oh he's exposing well what he really did of You know above just showing us the videos of all this horrible murders of civilians is he exposed the unit party because at one point
Hillary Clinton is on TV saying he's the worst person ever, and then there's people on Fox News calling for his murder.
Like, they're saying, I know it's illegal, but if you see him, you know, take care of him.
So it was like, two people on both sides.
Oh yeah.
tim pool
And then you had the famous line, Hillary Clinton asking, can we just drone this guy?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But, you know what it is, is Julian Assange was sharing the truth.
m i a
Yeah, and also like, there's many people, it's not even, I get it, because you'd say, oh, he's an outsider, he's not American, therefore he's evil.
You know, and he's anti-American.
But there's many people in America who say, for example, when we talk about RFK and he's talking about poisonous food in the system, someone like Julian doesn't have to Because you could go to the supermarket and there's enough things in there that harms Americans.
You know, you don't have to, you don't have to drone Americans because Americans are selling Americans bad food, you know, and that, you know, and medical care, like their medical care is so expensive.
A lot of them are not interested in health like they should be, or, you know, like there's, there's loads of, there's loads of, Um, things that American companies do themselves to hurt Americans.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
m i a
And I think 2020 was like the first time you really saw that.
Like, you saw how American government didn't care about the American people.
Like, it's the first time American people saw that.
tim pool
Realized it.
m i a
Yeah.
tim pool
Because if you're not paying attention to the news, And this is what I was talking about when I opened the show, like, everyone's shocked now, and it's wild to see all of these tweets from people who are not Trump supporters, after the guilty verdict, being like, holy crap, this country's blowing up.
And I'm like, man, I felt that way when I was hearing about the drone strikes.
Obama killed, I think, like four.
I don't know how many American citizens, it was like four.
The two most notable are Anwar and Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki.
American citizens, no charge, no trial, Obama blew them up.
shane cashman
He was also terrible to journalists.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
m i a
So when I had heard... Yes, the internet, the net neutrality thing.
tim pool
Oh, the espionage.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
m i a
But there was... For normal public, you know, our internet.
At that time, in 2009, we were like, hey, you know, To understand the Internet, like the government wasn't, I mean, maybe I was naive thinking that, but I felt like, oh, they hadn't quite processed how big the Internet is and what it means to, you know, to regulate it.
But instead of it being regulated for the people, it got regulated for the tech companies to become billionaires, you know?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
m i a
And that's the game they play.
That was the thing that was done between Well, it was Obama's years, you know.
tim pool
Yeah, when the National Defense Authorization Act, I think this was 2012, was signed, this was the one with the indefinite detention provision in it, they actually said, for the National Defense Authorization, the President will have the right to basically rendition anybody.
Show up to your house, middle of the night, black bag you, drag you off to a barge somewhere and hold you, and they're allowed to do it.
And Congress signs this.
I thought when that happened, I was like, wow, this country is done.
Obama killed American citizens, and I'm like, this is the worst president this country's ever seen, and everyone's outside cheering and screaming and celebrating, and I'm just like, this is horrifying.
shane cashman
You could slow jam the news with Jimmy Fallon.
tim pool
He puts on a tan suit, blows people up, and then nobody cares.
He puts on a tan suit and everyone's making, oh, easily distracted.
unidentified
It's okay.
shane cashman
We both like Kendrick Lamar, so I guess it's okay when it comes to him.
It's funny and not funny.
I think one of our biggest problems is our short-term memory, because this is just cyclical.
Like the Trump thing is a new unprecedented situation, but thinking of Assange and what they're doing to him, I mean the Pentagon Papers came out during Vietnam.
Ellsberg was that guy who released him.
There was a manhunt for him.
Nixon shut down New York Times for 15 days, I think it was.
You know, like there's constantly whistleblowers during wartime that the government just doesn't want you exposed because I think about this a lot yesterday, 'cause like with Assange, I'll say, oh, well he hurt national security.
Who is security?
The elites.
The elite security, not ours.
tim pool
He helped us.
unidentified
Right.
m i a
Julian Assange helped us.
And also like Snowden, he was American.
shane cashman
Right.
m i a
So there's the difference, you know, like then you then because of that, then you have somebody like Snowden come up after who was like, OK, well, I'm an American.
And I'm going to do this for American people, you know, and because he I don't know, I guess he's on his own.
They were able to say, well, he's a Russian asset or something and sort of build that.
But again, I think he was he was genuinely doing it for the American people.
tim pool
And then you get Donald Trump, and now here's the current iteration, and he is certainly an imperfect avatar of a lot of the anger people have.
But, you know, Edward Snowden is witnessing all of the lies, the corruption.
You've got, was it Brennan?
Lied to Congress?
shane cashman
Yeah, Clapper too.
tim pool
Clapper, was it Clapper?
shane cashman
When he said we weren't.
tim pool
Yeah, that's what I meant, not Brennan.
We're not collecting data, and then Snowden's like, I'm gonna just slide this over here to a couple of journalists.
The one challenge, the one problem I see with Snowden was he didn't actually read what he leaked.
He knew some of it, and then he grabbed a big trove of documents, just dumped them out there, and I'm like, yeah, okay, it's good that we exposed X-Key Score and these other spying programs, but he actually got called out, rightfully so, and he acknowledged this.
That some of the stuff he released was not properly redacted.
He gave the stuff to journalists, the journalists published it, and it actually put people at risk.
And he owned up, he said, yep, you're right, I shouldn't have done that.
But I gotta say, like, the net positive in the end, where we are today, knowing what they're doing, is good.
I will also then say, but has any of it stopped?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Nope.
No reform, no stopping.
m i a
And that's why Omni...
shane cashman
Another thing that's cyclical, I mean Five Eyes, like we were talking about earlier, was born out of stuff like Project Shamrock, Project Minaret, Project Echelon, where that's just global surveillance, constantly.
And they're getting, you know, RCA to, the government's infiltrating RCA and all radio stations and telegrams.
That's in the 40s, that's happening.
You know, they obviously didn't stop.
Now we're on the collective consciousness of Twitter, where they can just pick, you know, pick it right out.
And they're watching you, not just on your phones, they're watching you with Lockheed Martin satellites in the sky.
tim pool
That's why they got so mad when Elon bought Twitter and turned it into X. Yeah.
Because this is basically their mass surveillance and manipulation program.
And it looks like convenience to us.
It's addicting.
People need to be on it.
m i a
See, then you have to get back to the spirituality thing, because What is the point of studying humans, you know, and what is the point of all that?
It's like you want to make them buy more things to become rich.
Okay.
Then you become rich.
What do you do with all that money?
Like right now, say the military industrial complex or whoever you're talking about, they have so much money or Blackrock.
What do you do with that money?
Um, you control humans.
What do you do with that control?
You know, why do you want to control the humans?
So it just keeps going round and round in this circle of questions.
You're like, why do we do that?
shane cashman
We're constantly experimenting on ourselves.
m i a
Yeah, so why are you trying to control them to spend money so you make money and you make them spend?
Like, that seems so pointless.
Like, especially digital currency, you could just think of a number and put it in there.
Like, you know, BlackRock could just already be doing that saying, we have 50 trillion dollars today.
tim pool
They get loans from the Federal Reserve.
They get loans directly from the central banks.
m i a
It doesn't even have to be a loan.
You can literally just digitize, put in whatever number that the computer can hold.
tim pool
And that's literally how they do it.
When money is created upon the issuance of debt.
So when BlackRock says, hey, we're going to buy this house, they just type in a number on a computer, press enter.
And now the money exists in the account of the person who sold the property.
m i a
Yeah.
And that's the time we're living in.
Even money It's like, you know, what is the value?
tim pool
This is why people like Bitcoin, because it is decentralized and they can't control it.
They can put blocks in, they can put in law and things like this, but ultimately it's too big.
It's too big for them.
m i a
Yeah.
So then you're like, okay, it must be, uh, It must be some sort of spiritual warfare.
You know, because everything can be...
Dismantled and remantled at such a speed, you know, nowadays, then the purpose of why that's happening has to be something else.
And I think most of, you know, or the religion of choice for the coming world is supposed to be Buddhism, right?
And Hinduism, I guess, because Hinduism is tolerant towards everything in a cosmic way, which is why I think it's Hinduism, and you might say it's something else.
tim pool
I'm not a big fan of tolerance, though.
I think that you have to be balanced.
You know, this country was predominantly Christian for its history, and now, because Christians are a tolerant people, and maybe turn the other cheek, literally, they've allowed evil To continually step beyond the boundary and enter their threshold.
m i a
Yeah, the thing about Hinduism is this, is that it's a very, very, very, very old religion, right?
Or philosophy or science, whatever you want to call it.
But it has enough information for scientists today or people that are interested in religion and spirituality today.
But over the, whatever, 6,000 years, it's been super corrupted, you know?
So you've got layers and layers and layers and layers and layers of stuff going on.
And Hinduism itself does have a concept of good and evil, you know, but that has been kind of removed.
People, when they, I know Hindus today who talk about Hinduism, but they never talk about the evil spirit in Hinduism, you know, or the demonic entities in Hinduism.
There's many, like, you know, the Hindu gods, there's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Hindu gods.
They fought demons.
So there's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and thousands of demons too.
You know, each Hindu God fights a demon.
And even like Shiva, his snake, the reason why he's blue and he has a snake around his neck is because a snake bit him and he was poisoned, which is why he turned blue.
And he took the snake and he subdued the snake and he wears it around his neck because he conquered it.
You know, he conquered the demon that came to kill him.
And, but now everyone wears a snake as a symbol of Hinduism.
And, and you have gurus that make snake sounds when they enter the room and you have to make snake sounds when they exit the room and stuff.
And it becomes a thing.
Yeah.
So you, you're like, When did, and there is a snake aspect to Hinduism where Vishnu is a god that sits on a snake on the sea and it's protecting him and it's creating an umbrella for gods to chill under and stuff and you can have enlightened You know, they've been like subdued by the gods and have been made into enlightened snakes and then they come and help the gods.
But so we have this thing, you know, but in the modern day Hinduism and the way Hindus are today, It's very chaotic and the way people follow Hinduism today, it's used in ways that I don't agree with and I don't like, where it is coming from a, you know, I feel like when society is broken,
You know, and you're traumatized and I can say that because I did suffer a lot of trauma as a kid, living through the war and this and that, but I'm always aware of not inflicting and putting that on people, you know, and that you have to be a vessel to put in negative information and turn it into positive and put it back out as a positive information.
But Hinduism, it has a way you can learn the magic, no matter who you are.
Because mantra is magic.
And you can learn the mantra without working on yourself, without being a positive thing.
With all your negativity and trauma and all of that, if you put If you arm yourself with that power, you can inflict a lot of negativity, you know, and affect things in a bad way.
And this is what I don't like about Hinduism, is that it is tolerant to everybody and it gives everyone the power to learn this magic, you know, and people use it wrong.
And then you have the chaos.
tim pool
Is it weird that the snake here, it's a double helix?
m i a
I see a lot of the information, this is what I'm talking about, a lot of the information of our world that we live in comes from Hinduism.
And so this would be ancient Babylonia information that the Abrahamic religions come from.
This is why I should be on Joe Rogan.
Abraham, right, God told Abraham to come out of his father's house and then I'm going to give you a new religion.
And Abraham birthed Islam, you know, and the Christian religion, right?
Abraham's two sons are the ones warring in Israel right now.
You have Palestine and you've got Israel warring over this temple and it's both Abraham's kids, right?
But Abraham came out of his father's house and his father came from a town called Ur, yeah?
And in the West they pronounce it Ur, but it's actually you are Ur.
And Ur in Tamil means town.
So you can Google the word, like you can Google South India and everywhere in South India where Tamils come from, and I'm a Tamil, Every town ends with the word Ur, because it's that old and ancient.
So, you know, it'd be like saying, um, uh, Charles Town Ur.
unidentified
Right.
m i a
You know, instead of saying town, it would be Charles Ur.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
And, um, We have Charles Town and Charles Tin, which basically are the exact same thing, but one's just... It's like West Virginia and Western Virginia.
Yeah, exactly.
m i a
I love that.
tim pool
Yep.
Charles Tin was literally just because Tin is a corruption of town, and they would say it really fast.
Weirdest thing.
m i a
Yeah, so Ur is a Tamil word, so I think Tamil was present, yeah, in that time.
tim pool
I just mean that when you look at this, it's called the, what, the caduceus?
The symbol is, it's two snakes spiraling up a staff, forming a double helix, like DNA, and it says snakes are seen as holders of knowledge, strength, and renewal.
Quite literally, DNA is the holder of knowledge and Yes, true.
m i a
And also, so in Hinduism, the snake is representative of how the energy moves through your body, through your chakras.
And then it gets up to your, the wings.
So the symbol that you saw there had wings at the top and then it had the, a bulb at the top, which is the third eye or your pineal gland, which is your wisdom.
shane cashman
Interesting.
How did you look at the snake after becoming Christian?
Did it change if you look back at like, you know, Genesis and Adam and Eve?
m i a
Well, no, actually, because I do think that it represents the beginning and the end and it's kind of the cycle thing as well.
And yeah, I think about that, 'cause also the Pope's auditorium is a snake, Is it really?
Yeah.
shane cashman
Oh, like the architecture?
Yeah.
I think I've seen that.
Yeah, that's crazy.
m i a
Yeah, so the snake is there.
I mean, like, you don't spend billions of dollars building that thing.
shane cashman
I need a snake.
m i a
Over years and not know that it was a snake.
tim pool
I just wonder if, you know, people knew things back then, or how did this symbol, you know, it's just kind of, it's interesting that it resembles DNA.
shane cashman
I think people knew things.
tim pool
Or someone explained to them what DNA was, and so, like the cargo cults.
The cargo cults, for people that don't know, these are uncontacted Pacific islands that saw planes flying overhead during, I think, World War II, and didn't know what they were seeing, so they built effigies of the planes and then began to worship them, hoping they would come back.
And so I'm wondering if this is something similar.
Someone explained DNA to ancient people, and they didn't quite understand what was being explained, so they drew this picture.
m i a
Imagine someone being... Well, actually, that... The ancient... Is it Ancient Apocalypse?
The Graham Hancock thing?
tim pool
Oh, right.
m i a
And he goes back to the first ever town in Turkey, and they have a snake on the side of their building, the first monolith that was built.
And then in the Mayan civilization, like Chichen Itza, the pyramid, that Chichen Itza means the flying snake.
Yeah.
And it's snakes with wings.
And so it is there in every ancient society.
The snake is there as a symbol.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
So we do have the press conference will be starting at any moment.
Right now there's just placeholder music so we'll pull it up as soon as it does.
shane cashman
Did religion play a major part in the genocide in Sri Lanka or was it more of like political issues?
m i a
It was political but that's what I'm saying it's now beginning to play more of a role because people feel very hopeless and you know Religion or Hinduism definitely is giving them an identity because it's not a religious, it's an ethnic war.
So Tamils were there in Sri Lanka for a long time.
And this can be debated because the pure Tamil is called Senthamal and that comes from Sri Lanka and then the Indian Tamil is like a dialect from that.
So it's not the other way around.
So this is a bit that only a real Tamil knows.
And so even the Indian Tamils will tell you that the Sri Lankan Tamil is like the pure Tamil.
shane cashman
Wow.
m i a
So how does a pure Tamil come from a tiny island and then spread to the mainland when history always told us that it's the other way around?
So Tamils have already been on this island for a very long time.
And so, and the Sinhalese are sort of people that were made from people that travel from the North, North Indians, around Bangladesh area, near Thailand.
So there's a document called Mya Vamsa, which goes back a very long time that says Sinhalese came from a mixture of Maybe people from Kerala mixed with people near Bangladesh and Thailand, and that's why it also carries Buddhism as the main religion.
But the Tamils were already always associated to South Indians.
tim pool
I like the ancient apocalypse stuff.
shane cashman
Oh, yeah, Hancock.
tim pool
Because, not that I think there's a high probability of being true or anything, but when you look at stuff like, you know, what is that little airplane they found?
Some people say, just a fish.
shane cashman
The drawing of one yourself?
tim pool
No, no, the little models of airplanes.
shane cashman
Oh, I don't know.
tim pool
And then many people just say, all they did was make a brass fish.
It's an artistic representation of a fish with fins.
There's no tail or whatever.
But you think about what would happen if there was some kind of advanced civilization.
And technology was destroyed, lost as apocalypse.
The people who know the technology, trying to explain it without books or references or computers to their kid, what would their kid take away from it and how would that be corrupted?
So you look at like the serpents coiling around the staff representing, you know, strength, life, rebirth, or whatever.
And then you have civilizations collapse, there's a dude wearing a bunch of rags, his kid is born, 10 years go by, the kid's now 10 years old, it's been 15 years since the apocalypse, and he's like, so DNA, deoxyribonucleic acid, that's what we called it, and he's like, I don't know what that word is.
He's like, no, no, no, it's like two strands that spiral up, called a double helix, he draws a picture of it.
And the kid's like, uh-huh.
And now when that kid, having no idea what it means, is older, he goes, it's like two snakes spinning.
You know, and that's where the strength comes from.
That's how the knowledge breaks down without record.
shane cashman
That's one of the weird things about the genocide, like already people don't talk about the Sri Lanka, what happened to the Tamils, but then the other thing I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, Jaffna, the library, they burned down like hundreds and thousands, hundreds of thousands of old manuscripts, right?
m i a
Old, old books.
shane cashman
So you lost a lot of them.
m i a
It's also like the Tamils in Sri Lanka are important.
We fought for, our revolution was fighting for a place called Elam.
We named our land Elam.
So, my dad's organization, EROS, is ELAM, Revolutionary Organization of Students.
And what is ELAM?
Where did they get that name from?
And ELAM and Elamites are going back to Ur, back in Mesopotamia.
That's where it is.
unidentified
Sorry, Trump's walking in.
tim pool
Let's grab the press conference.
shane cashman
I was out of Tama and Jaffna.
m i a
Tama, Jaffna, Elam, and Elamites.
unidentified
Thank you very much, everybody.
donald j trump
Thank you, everybody.
This is a case where, if they can do this to me, they can do this to anyone.
These are bad people.
These are, in many cases, I believe, sick people.
When you look at our country, what's happening, where millions and millions of people are flowing in from all parts of the world, not just South America, from Africa, from Asia, from the Middle East.
And they're coming in from jails and prisons, and they're coming in from mental institutions and insane asylums.
They're coming in from all over the world into our country.
And we have a president and a group of fascists that don't want to do anything about it.
Because they could right now, today, he could stop it.
But he's not.
They're destroying our country.
Our country is in very bad shape.
They're very much against me saying these things.
They want to raise your taxes by four times.
They want to stop you from having cars with their ridiculous mandates that make it impossible for you to get a car or afford a car.
Make it very possible for China to build all of our cars.
It's a very serious problem that we have.
We just went through one of many experiences Where we had a conflicted judge, highly conflicted.
There's never been a more conflicted judge.
Now, I'm under a gag order, which nobody's ever been under.
No presidential candidate's ever been under a gag order before.
I'm under a gag order, nasty gag order, where I've had to pay thousands of dollars in penalties and fines, and was threatened with jail.
Think of it, I'm the leading candidate.
I'm leading Biden by a lot, and I'm leading The Republicans to the point where that's over.
So I'm the leading person for president and I'm under a gag order by a man that can't put two sentences together, given by a court.
And they are in total conjunction with the White House and the DOJ, just so you understand.
This is all done by Biden and his people.
Maybe his people more importantly.
I don't know if Biden knows too much about it.
Because I don't know if he knows about anything.
But he's nevertheless the president, so we have to use his name.
And this is done by Washington, and nobody's ever seen anything like it.
So we have a judge who's highly conflicted.
You know what the confliction is.
Nobody wants to write about it, and I'm not allowed to talk about it.
If I do, he said, I get put in jail.
So we'll play that game a little bit longer.
We won't talk about it, but you're allowed to talk about it.
I hope you do.
Because there's never been anybody so conflicted as this.
As far as the trial itself, it was very unfair.
We weren't allowed to use our election expert.
Under any circumstances.
You saw what happened to some of the witnesses that were on our side.
They were literally crucified by this man, who looks like an angel, but he's really a devil.
He looks so nice and soft.
People say, oh, he seems like such a nice man.
No, unless you saw him in action.
And you saw that with a certain witness that went through hell.
And when we wanted to do things, he wouldn't let us do those things.
But when the government wanted something, they got everything.
They got everything they wanted.
It was a rigged trial.
We wanted a venue change where we could have a fair trial.
We didn't get it.
We wanted a judge change.
We wanted a judge that wasn't conflicted.
And obviously, he didn't do that.
Nobody's ever seen anything like it.
We had a D.A.
who was a failed D.A.
Crime is rampant in New York.
Violent crime.
That's what he's really supposed to be looking at.
Crime is rampant in New York.
Yesterday in McDonald's you had a man hitting him up with machetes.
A machete.
Whoever can imagine even a machete being wielded in a store, in a place where they're eating, and he's going rampant.
And Bragg is down watching a trial on what they call crimes.
Crimes.
They're falsifying business records.
That sounds so bad.
To me it sounds very bad.
You know, it's only a misdemeanor, but to me it sounds so bad when they say falsifying business.
That's a bad thing for me.
I've never had that before.
I'm falsifying.
You know what falsifying business records is?
In the first degree.
They say falsifying business records.
Sounds so good, right?
It means that legal expense, I paid a lawyer, totally legal, I paid a lawyer a legal expense, and a bookkeeper without any knowledge from me correctly marked it down in the books, a very professional woman, highly respected, she testified, marked it down in the books as a legal expense.
So a legal expense Paid a lawyer is a legal expense in the books.
It's not sheetrock, construction, or any other thing.
It's a legal expense.
Think of that.
This is what the falsification of business records were.
And I said, what else are you going to call it?
What else are you gonna call it?
Now, I would have testified.
I wanted to testify.
The theory is you never testify, because as soon as you testify, anybody, if it were George Washington, don't testify, because he'll get you on something that you said slightly wrong, and then they sue you for perjury.
But I didn't care about that.
I wanted to.
But the judge allowed them to go into everything that I was ever involved in, not this case, everything that I was ever involved in, which is a first.
In other words, you could go into every single thing That I ever did.
Was he a bad boy here?
Was he a bad boy there?
And my lawyer said, what do you need to go through?
And all you wanted to do is testify simply on this case.
Because I would have loved to have testified.
To this day, I would have liked to have testified.
But you would have been — you would have said something out of whack, like it was a beautiful, sunny day and it was actually raining out.
And I very much appreciate the big crowd of people outside.
That's incredible what's happening.
The level of support has been incredible.
So the whole thing is legal expense was marked down as legal expense.
Think of it.
This is the crime that I committed, that I'm supposed to go to jail for 187 years for, when you have violent crime all over this city at levels that nobody's ever seen before, where you have businesses leaving.
And businesses are leaving because of this, because heads of businesses say, man, We don't want to get involved with that.
I could go through the books of any business person in this city and I could find things that in theory, I guess, let's indict him, let's destroy his life.
But I'm out there and I don't mind being out there because I'm doing something for this country and I'm doing something for our Constitution.
It's very important.
Far beyond me.
And this can't be allowed to happen to other presidents.
It should never be allowed to happen In the future.
But this is far beyond me.
This is bigger than Trump.
This is bigger than me.
This is bigger than my presidency.
And the people understand it because I just see a poll just came out, the Daily Mail.
That was the first one came out.
It was done last night right after the verdict, where I'm up six points.
Six points from what we already were.
We were leading fairly substantially.
We're up 6 points in the Daily Mail poll.
Now maybe other polls come out and it says something differently.
But a lot of people have predicted it because the public understands and they understand what's going on.
This is a scam.
This is a rigged trial.
It shouldn't have been in that venue.
We shouldn't have had that judge.
He should have allowed us to have an election expert.
We had the best Expert, most respected expert, head of the Federal Elections Commission.
He was all set to testify.
He was waiting for two days.
And when it was his turn, Bragg's people protested.
And the judge knocked him out, said, you can't testify.
He actually said, you can't testify for anything having to do with the trial.
You can say what the federal elections is.
Well, that doesn't help.
Everybody knows that.
But you can't testify.
So, essentially, he wasn't able to testify.
Other people weren't able to testify.
But with these people, they were able to use people salacious.
By the way, and nothing ever happened.
There was no anything.
Nothing ever happened, and they know it.
But they were as salacious as they could be.
And it had nothing to do with the case.
But it had to do with politics.
And do you notice the timing?
The timing was perfect.
This case was dead.
It was dropped by every agency, every governmental board.
It was dropped by the highly respected Southern District.
They said, no, there's no case here.
It was dropped by federal election.
And that's what this is about.
This is about a federal election, not a state election.
You're not even allowed to look at it.
They took the state and the city and they went into a federal election.
They're not allowed.
The people from federal elections, Southern District, and Washington dropped the case.
Everybody dropped the case.
There was no case.
Cy Vance dropped the case.
And when Brad came in, he said, this is the most ridiculous case I've ever seen.
And who would have a certain person, again, gag order, who would have a certain person like this ever testify?
He said, this is essentially one of the worst people I've ever seen, ever, to testify.
He said, the craziest case I've ever seen.
This is brag.
Then when they announced I was running for president, a long time later, they decided to revive this case.
And they got a judge, Judge Marshan, who was Responsible for another case that was also brought.
It destroyed the life of a very good man, by the way.
Destroyed the life of a very good man.
Who went to prison once, and then they just put him in prison again because they said he lied.
He didn't lie!
I looked at the statements he made.
In fact, he didn't remember something and they put him in jail.
Again.
They've destroyed him.
With me for many years.
He was an honorable person.
He was an honest man.
And if you look at what he did, supposedly, it never happened.
There's never been anything like this.
Over the education of his grandchildren.
Over, he didn't report that he had a car, or two cars, on his income.
I don't know.
I wonder how many people here have cars.
I wonder how many people said, oh gee, I have a car that's worth X dollars.
How do you even figure it?
And I guess you do have to report it.
I would say probably almost nobody does.
Nobody even thinks about it.
They put this man, they destroyed this man.
But they put him in jail again because they didn't want him to testify.
They didn't want him to testify.
That's why he went to jail.
They put him in jail twice.
He's 77 years old.
Now normally I'd say that's an old guy.
But I don't feel 77.
Nobody ever says that about me.
I'd like them to say, gee, we have to have a little sorrow for this man.
Because they just don't say that about me.
But maybe I'm better off that way.
I think I'm probably better off that way.
But they put him in jail.
Twice.
And you have to see what they put him in jail.
And he was threatened by the judge.
This man was told, you're going to get 15 years in jail if you don't give up Trump.
And he was told that.
You're going to get 15 years in jail.
And he made a plea deal because he didn't want to spend the rest of his life, and he was told that viciously.
We're living in a fascist state.
He was told that viciously.
So you can go to jail for four months, five months, or you can get 15 years in jail.
So do a plea.
Almost who wouldn't do that plea?
Everyone does those pleas.
It's a horrible thing.
There's a whole group of lawyers that fight that.
It's so unfair.
It's so unfair.
But they destroyed his life.
So many other things.
You look at Southern District didn't want to bring the case.
Nobody wanted to bring the case.
And then you know who didn't want to bring the case?
Most of all is Bragg.
Bragg didn't want to bring it.
But then he brought it.
And they tried to make it a different case.
They didn't say legal expense equal legal expense.
Again, if I wrote down and paid a lawyer... And by the way, this was a highly qualified lawyer.
Now, I'm not allowed to use his name because of the gag order.
But you know, he's a sleazebag.
Everybody knows that.
Took me a while to find out.
But he was effective.
He did work.
But he wasn't a fixer, he was a lawyer.
You know, they like to use the word fixer.
He wasn't a fixer, he was a lawyer.
At the time, he was a...
A fully accredited lawyer.
Now, he got into trouble not because of me.
He got into trouble because he made outside deals and he had something to do with taxicabs and medallions and he borrowed money.
And that's why he went.
And then he pled to three election violations.
And as soon as I saw that, I said, I wonder why he did that.
He pled.
He took a deal.
Now, he took a deal because he wanted to get off.
In other words, I'll take a plea deal and I want to get off.
And he wanted to make a deal with the Southern District.
And they wrote the worst report I think I've ever seen on any human being, other than the report that was written on James Comey by the Inspector General.
A very great Inspector General, actually.
Wrote a report that was so bad.
This one was possibly worse.
The Southern District.
The judge didn't let us use it.
He said, it's hearsay.
I said, it's not hearsay.
Wouldn't let us use it.
This is about the man.
But he got in trouble for a very simple reason.
Because he was involved with borrowing a lot of money and he did something with the banks.
I don't know if it defrauded the banks, but something happened.
You guys know what it is.
And then in addition to that, he gave up on three things where he wasn't guilty.
In fact, they were going to testify on that.
Head of the FEC the Brad Smith the election expert number one Rated in the country was going to testify He took a plea on three things He just added them in because that gave him more bargaining power with respect to me but the three things that he pled on having to do with the election and Having to do essentially a little bit with me They weren't crimes They weren't crimes nor is Paying money under an NDA.
So we have an NDA.
Non-disclosure agreement.
It's a big deal, a non-disclosure agreement.
Totally honorable, totally good, totally accepted.
Everybody has them.
Every company has non-disclosure agreements.
But the press called it slush fund and all sorts of other things.
Hush money?
Hush money.
It's not hush money.
It's called the non-disclosure agreement.
And most of the people in this room have a non-disclosure agreement with their company.
It's a disgrace.
So it's not hush money.
It's a non-disclosure agreement.
Totally legal.
Totally common.
Everyone has it.
And what happened is He signed a non-disclosure agreement with this person, I guess other people, but it's totally honest.
You're allowed to make the payment.
You don't have to make it.
You can make it any way you want.
It's a non-disclosure agreement.
And he signed that.
And there was nothing wrong with signing it.
And this should have been a non-case.
And everybody said it was a non-case, including Bragg.
Bragg said, until I ran for office.
And then they saw the polls.
I was leading the Republicans.
I was leading the Democrats.
I was leading everybody.
And all of a sudden, they brought it back.
It's a very sad thing that's happening in our country.
And it's a...
It's a thing that I'm honored.
In a way, I'm honored.
It's not that it's pleasant.
It's very bad for family.
It's very bad for friends and businesses.
But I'm honored to be involved in it because somebody has to do it, and I might as well keep going and be the one.
But I'm very honored to be involved because we're fighting for our Constitution.
The money that was paid was paid legally.
There was nothing illegal.
In fact, the lawyer in creating the NDA, because at that time, he was a fully accredited lawyer.
He wasn't a fixer.
I never thought of him as a fixer.
The media called him a fixer, or the prosecutors called him a fixer.
He was a lawyer.
And he was fairly good.
Later on, I didn't like what he did.
I didn't like, for instance, I didn't like that when I became president, he went around and made deals with companies.
When I heard that, he was gone.
He was gone.
And he had payments coming to him, and a lot of this involved things that are very simple.
There was nothing wrong.
These were standard.
This was standard stuff.
All standard stuff.
Everything involved was standard.
There was no crime here.
In fact, I just watched a couple of the reports.
You watched Jonathan Turley, Andy McCarthy, Greg Jarrett.
You look at all of these people.
Mark Levin.
All very talented people.
Great people.
Many more.
Many more.
And they don't know me, essentially.
They don't know me.
They're legal scholars and experts.
But I look at them, I watched Charlie this morning saying, there's no crime here.
Everybody says there's no crime here.
Except for this DA that's got the city out of control with crime.
It's absolutely out of control.
So we have an NDA that was signed.
We have legal expenses.
And here's the thing on legal expenses.
You have 100 where they say they do a charge.
I just recorded this out.
Falsification of business records.
In the first degree, it sounds so bad.
I said, wow.
And even my own lawyers, I get very upset with them because they don't say what it is.
They say, well, falsification of legal records is only a felony.
Well, that's a lot.
It's only a, they say, misdemeanor.
But they try and bring it up to a felony if there's two crimes.
They have all these different things.
The other thing is they miss the statute of limitations by a lot.
Because this was very old, they could have brought this seven years ago instead of bringing it right in the middle of the election.
So they missed the statute of limitations, they did everything.
Now let me give you the good news.
The good news is, last night, we just got a report this morning, in the history of politics, I believe, maybe I'm wrong, somebody will find that I'm wrong, maybe, but I don't think so, they raised with small money donors Meaning like $21, $42, $53, $38, a record $39 million in about a 10-hour period.
Wow.
No, think of it.
Their previous press release was 34.8.
$38.
A record $39 million in about a 10-hour period.
unidentified
Wow.
No, think of that.
tim pool
Their previous press release was $34.8.
donald j trump
I like those people.
Because so far, I guess it's backfired.
Now, I don't know.
I'd rather not have it happen.
I don't want to have it backfiring.
I want to win this thing legitimately, not because they were stupid and did things that they shouldn't be doing.
They shouldn't have brought this case.
They were saying it this morning.
This is a case that should not have been brought.
I watched Andy McCarthy say, this is a case that should not have been brought.
And that was this morning.
But they all say that.
Every legal scholar has said it.
And these are great people.
They really understand the law.
The other thing, a poll just came out.
The first poll.
I don't know, maybe others will be bad.
But a poll just came out a little while ago.
The Daily Mail.
Does anybody read the Daily Mail?
It's very good.
They have a good poll.
At least I like it today.
And the Daily Mail just came out with a poll, and it has Trump up six points in the last Twelve hours.
Six points.
Six points since this happened.
Who thought this could happen?
Because the people of our country know it's a hoax.
They know it's a hoax.
They get it.
You know, they're really smart, and it's really something.
So we're going to be appealing this scam.
We're going to be appealing it on many different things.
He wouldn't allow us to have witnesses.
He wouldn't allow us to talk.
He wouldn't allow us to do anything.
The judge was a tyrant.
And you got to see that with Bob Costello.
A fine man.
I've never seen anything like it.
And neither has anybody that was in that courthouse where he demanded that the courthouse be cleared.
Now, the good news is most of the people in the courthouse were the media.
And anybody that was in the media, if you're fair, you'll say, wow.
That was anger.
That was crazed.
He was crazed.
And the reason that Bob Costello acted a little bit upset, which I think he has a right to, was that every question he was being asked was Being objected to by the other side and sustained by the judge.
Sustained, sustained, sustained.
I think he did it many times.
I don't know what the number, many times.
Even I was sitting there saying, and these were basic questions.
And he, I never saw anybody treated that way by a judge.
And I've been treated very badly by two other judges also, because it's all the same thing.
And it all comes out of the White House.
Crooked Joe Biden, the worst president in the history of our country.
He's the worst president In the history of our country, the most incompetent, he's the dumbest president we've ever had.
He's the dumbest president, most incompetent president, and he's the most dishonest president we've ever had.
And so many of the, he's a Manchurian candidate.
You take a look at the way he treats China, Russia, so many others.
You know, I ended the Russian pipeline.
It was dead.
He comes in and he approves it.
And he gets three and a half million, meaning three and a half million is paid to the family, his family, from the mayor of Moscow's wife.
And I said, where did that come from?
Nobody wants to talk about it.
But he's a very big danger to our country.
And the only way they think they can win this election is by doing exactly what they're doing right now, win it in the courts because they can't win it at the ballot box.
So we're going to show them that Oh, we're gonna fight.
It's actually, I don't know, it's something where I'm wired in such a way that a lot of people would have gone away a long time ago.
They would have gone away after impeachment hoax number one.
That was a total hoax.
I had great support from the Republican Party, though.
Then you had impeachment hoax number two.
And then they formed the committee.
How about they formed the committee of thugs?
The J6 committee of thugs.
And they took their records, and they destroyed all of the records after the committee was abandoned.
Because those records were great for us.
Now, can you imagine if Republicans did that?
Everybody would have been in jail by now.
The, think of the, the unselect, I call it the unselect, they call it select committee, I call it the unselect committee of thugs.
It's 100% Democrat and two past Republicans that are no longer Republicans, that are no longer in business anymore.
Thank you.
But it was all Democrats and two wayward Republicans.
Liz Cheney and crying Adam Kinzinger.
He cries every time he goes on television.
He's the most emotional human being I think I've ever seen.
And that was our representatives.
These two people were our representatives.
So they had all this stuff that they're leaking.
unidentified
Just cry a lot.
donald j trump
And then when it came time to look at the records, like where the police said and the Capitol Guard said, that I supplied, think of it, that I recommended, as many soldiers or National Guard as you want. 10,000.
If you had 500, you wouldn't have had a problem.
There wouldn't have been a J6.
But Nancy Pelosi and the group didn't want it.
Anyway, so they have testimony to all of that, that I did not attack the Secret Service agent in the front of a car.
You know, these are strong people.
And I supposedly went to the driver, and I grabbed him around the neck.
And he rebuffed me.
And then I went to the other guy, who I think is a black belt in karate, and he's slightly younger than me.
Maybe 35 years, 40 years, 50 years.
And I grabbed him around the neck and said, he's a black belt in karate.
They know how to get somebody from around their neck.
They would have gone like this, and that would be the end of that.
Actually, I had a friend that said, you shouldn't dispute that.
That makes you look like the toughest cookie we've ever seen.
You should have let that go on.
But the fact is, it never happened.
It was all made up.
And that was proven to be made up.
It proved to be a false story.
tim pool
I'm torn.
I mean, we're looking at the historical first conviction of a president.
But with all due respect, he's now just going into past grievances.
I don't know if we should keep it going or... Because I'm like, this is the first time a president's ever been convicted.
He's addressing it directly.
shane cashman
He should be wearing an Omni suit.
Did you make one of those yet?
unidentified
He should be wearing an Omni hat.
shane cashman
It's crazy.
What do you think when you see this?
What do you think about this guy?
m i a
I just think free Julian Assange.
Because this is another cyclical moment where he shouldn't have had a trial.
That's what he's saying at the base of this.
And it's true, like, Julian's also in a kangaroo court having a trial that shouldn't happen.
And he should have pardoned him.
shane cashman
And his government wasn't the best.
m i a
And he didn't.
And now he's going through the same thing, and that's how things work.
tim pool
He should have arrested these people.
He shouldn't have hired a lot of these people.
And I think he underestimated exactly the lengths they were willing to go to stop him.
shane cashman
It's just another example of him collaborating with bad people.
He was with Pompeo, who was horrible.
His CIA was bad.
Assange.
m i a
Yeah, but see, it's decisions.
Very important, because they come back or they create a chain of events, you know, which will come back to you in some other way.
So in that sense, yeah, yeah, it's like he made that decision to Ignore that point, you know, and he made a choice for the country, and like you said, Pompeo's... I asked him, is he going to pardon Julian Assange?
tim pool
He said they're giving it very real consideration.
I think they might.
I think they want something from him, but I don't think he can just come outright and say yes on something as big as that.
Everyone wants him to, but he can't.
shane cashman
What was your takeaway from talking to him, him telling you he was going to address Assange at that speech we were at, and then he didn't.
He talked about Russ Albrecht.
Do you think he confused him, or do you think he just decided not to bring it up?
tim pool
No, I think he intended to talk about Assange, but I think someone wrote him a script, and then he stayed on prompter.
Yeah, he just read the teleprompter and it was a mistake.
We should jump back to the press.
I don't want to take away from this.
It's really tough because with this show we want to have a longer conversation.
m i a
It's a historical event.
Omni just launched today.
Trump's getting arrested.
This is a crazy show.
We didn't even think it was going to be like this.
I thought I was going to come and talk about fashion, but here we are.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know if there's ever been a moment like this, so we'll jump back to Espresso.
donald j trump
I said, what's going on?
It looks like they're building an army right in our country.
Now, I don't think that would happen, right?
We're losing our country.
And I really think that this is an event, what took place yesterday with this judge.
Conflicted, but he's a crooked judge, and you'll understand that.
And I say that knowing that it's very dangerous for me to say that, and I don't mind, because I'm willing to do whatever I have to do to save our country and to save our Constitution.
I don't mind.
unidentified
So, thank you.
donald j trump
So we will continue the fight.
We're going to make America great again.
Very simple.
When people fight MAGA, they say, we're going to fight.
I watch Biden.
We're going to fight MAGA.
We're going to stop MAGA.
It's make America great again.
That's all it is.
MAGA.
Make America great again.
Our country is in serious trouble.
We owe $36 trillion.
We were going to be.
We were energy independent for the first time ever.
And now we're begging Venezuela for oil.
One statistic you have to hear.
Venezuela was crime-ridden.
Caracas, their cities.
Crime-ridden.
Two years ago, three years ago.
They just reported a 72% drop in crime in the last year.
Because all of their criminals, most of them, and the rest are coming in now.
The ones that didn't come in.
In Venezuela, their prisons have been emptied into the United States.
Their criminals and drug dealers have been taken out of the cities and brought into the United States.
And that's true with many other countries.
The Congo has just released a lot of people from jail.
Congo, Africa, just released a lot of people, a lot of people, from their prisons and jails and brought them into the United States of America.
This is what's happening to our country.
And it's not sustainable by anyone.
Little things like our kids can't have a Little League game anymore because you have tents and you have migrants living on the fields.
That's the least of it.
People are taking over our luxury hotels, migrants.
And yet our veterans, our great veterans, are living on the streets.
Like dogs, they're living on the streets.
But migrants are living in luxury hotels in cities all over our country, run by Democrats.
So, it's my honor to be doing this.
It really is.
It's a very unpleasant thing, to be honest.
But it's a great, great honor.
We're going to do what I have to do.
I'm going to do it.
And the support has been — that's why I mentioned the number of $39 million.
That's why I mentioned we're up six points.
And we went up a lot over the last month, because everybody said it was a rigged deal, it was a rigged trial.
But we're going to make America great again.
We're going to make it better than ever before.
November 5th.
Remember, November 5th is the most important day in the history of our country.
Thank you very much.
shane cashman
Remember, remember the 5th of November.
tim pool
That's a crazy day for this to come, isn't it?
m i a
The Guy Fawkes day.
That's crazy.
V for Vendetta.
tim pool
So I'll just say real quick, you know, I do apologize for jumping in in the middle of Trump.
I just want to clarify.
m i a
He said a lot.
I mean, you've got an immigrant right here.
shane cashman
How do you feel when he talks about immigration compared to what happened to you as an actual refugee?
m i a
Yeah, this is a really interesting thing because it's everybody's political, like, talking point, you know, in America right now.
But, like, it's, um, This is also why I'm counseled by the left sometimes is because, not sometimes, but have been the last few years because they're like, you're supposed to be having the immigrants back.
And you know, I, I applied to get this visa in a legit way.
I had like four lawyers, like did everything I could to get in the right way.
And I couldn't.
Yeah.
shane cashman
Right.
You could have just went to the border.
m i a
And everybody was saying, why don't you just go to the border and walk over?
unidentified
Because you're MIA, because you're too famous.
m i a
Yeah, they'll just put me in jail and then I'll never be able to see my kid.
Elon Musk is making a big thing about it and everybody's making a big thing and then obviously On the Biden side, they are letting all these immigrants in, but I couldn't get a visa.
shane cashman
Right.
m i a
You know, so I was in this really like weird situation with American immigration.
And in the end, I met someone who randomly knew the Clintons.
shane cashman
Uh oh.
m i a
Mm hmm.
And I got a call from the Clinton office, one of their assistants, and he listened to my problem.
And then they got Biden to expedite the visa.
unidentified
Wow.
shane cashman
They were like, how can we use MIA?
unidentified
Yeah.
m i a
So then I was going to come on podcasts and be like, look, maybe there's a silver lining.
shane cashman
Right.
m i a
Another advert for Omni.
shane cashman
There's no silver lining.
unidentified
She's evil.
m i a
But then I went to Julian Assange.
The week after and I said, you're never going to believe this.
It's like a miracle.
I got my visa approved within one week after hiring four lawyers and trying for, you know, 10 months or whatever.
I got it in a week.
unidentified
Wow.
m i a
Because I got a call from the Clinton office and I said, maybe they're human, you know, like maybe they understand, like, That there's certain things, you know, like I was trying to see my son as a mother.
shane cashman
I appreciate the positive spin, but all I see is them saying, how can we manipulate someone with a large voice to maybe say something nice about us?
m i a
Well, that's what he said.
He was like, maybe they gave it to you because you're supposed to start saying nice things about them.
shane cashman
You don't have to.
unidentified
He'll take it away though.
m i a
I was so confused.
I was like, wow, I believe in miracles, you know, and I was like, maybe you are going to be free after all.
And you, he will be free.
I do think he's going to be released.
shane cashman
How long were you not allowed in the States?
m i a
I was out from June to April.
So maybe like nine, 10 months.
shane cashman
Okay.
When they took the visa away.
m i a
I actually built it into my logo.
tim pool
The visa?
m i a
So the logo of Omni, it's like, it's like a sentence, you know, and it's like, these are all months I spent outside.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
m i a
Yeah.
And that's where it comes from.
And it's also, Oms is how you measure electricity.
But I tried to turn it into the months it took for me to make this brand.
shane cashman
Wow, that's cool.
m i a
It's the months I spent outside of the US trying to get a visa.
unidentified
Wow.
shane cashman
I also say though, you as a immigrant, when you left Sri Lanka, you were leaving- I was a refugee.
Yeah, you were a refugee.
m i a
First of all, there's the difference between refugees and immigrants.
shane cashman
Right.
Tell people what you were, like, what were you leaving?
It was crazy.
m i a
I was in a war zone, but I was in, I was in an extra, A bit of war zone because my father was the leader of a group called Eros and they when they found that out I drew we were my family was like a magnet even though we didn't see him we were a magnet for the government so wherever we went The government would turn up in trucks and arrest every guy between the age of like 15 to 40 and beat them up and torture them and put them in jail.
So no village wanted us.
You know, we were like, we had the plague or something and everyone would be like, please don't come here, please don't come here.
And we would just sort of, In the end, the town put all their jewellery together and bought us the plane ticket, you know?
Wow.
Because we didn't even have money to buy food and stuff, and people would not really... We were very, like, ostracised and stuff.
And, um, and my dad didn't know any of this because he couldn't even come near us because we'd be dead if he did.
And so we lived like that.
And, you know, we lived in hiding and stuff like that.
And, um, and we got refugee status and we came.
shane cashman
Were you there for the Black July in 83?
m i a
Yeah, I was there in 83.
shane cashman
That's when, I mean, there were just mass graves.
m i a
Yeah, and all of my family, all the men were arrested and everyone was being tortured all the time.
It was a common thing.
And I'd already seen so many dead people by the time I was 10.
And it was like, I don't know, at that time, I was thinking about this the other day, like when you're talking about...
You know, I did a show in Bakersfield last week, and everyone's on this weird drug, you know?
shane cashman
What, the Crocodile or?
m i a
I don't know what it is.
It's the Trank thing.
shane cashman
Oh, you're talking about like the weight loss drug?
m i a
No, no, no.
The one where that makes you like bend over and walk like a zombie.
Like, loads of people are on drugs just walking around like zombies, you know?
And I was like, wow.
Like, by the time I was 10, I'd seen so many people Dead, right?
And killed by the government on the way out, trying to make it out from Sri Lanka out to the airport in the capital, which was Colombo.
That journey alone took us like three, four months.
Really?
In hindsight, if you look on Google Maps, it would take like three days to walk or something, I don't know.
But for us to get out in the 80s, it took, because buses would just be stopped on the way and burnt and bombed, you know, like, there were just dead people everywhere on that route, but it took us months to get there.
And then I'd never seen a drug addict in my life.
Until I got to Colombo, that was the first time I saw one.
And I found that more shocking than seeing dead people burn out in buses and stuff.
shane cashman
Because that's the world you inherited, was mass death.
m i a
Yeah, so it was kind of weird.
I was thinking that about my brain.
I was like, wow, I'm more triggered when I see somebody walking like a zombie on drugs than seeing someone shot in the head.
shane cashman
Were you aware at that young age that the government was perpetrating the genocide?
unidentified
Because that was clear when you were there at that age.
m i a
It was just, I think the Tigers weren't like a big thing then.
And my dad's movement was very like intellectual.
They weren't like violent in that sense.
They were very smart and it was full of students.
And it, it was generally like an intellectual thing.
They were very bookie.
And, um, and I, I, I, I'd lived in India and, um, Eros were being trained by the Indian government at the time.
shane cashman
Right.
m i a
And my dad would be like known because he studied in Russia, which is like, ooh, triggering for Americans right now.
But my dad went to Russia because Yuri Gagarin went to space and came back and decided he wanted to advocate for world peace.
And the first place he came to was Sri Lanka.
Which also has the Adam's Peak, when you look it up.
Adam's Peak, which is a biblical thing, is in Sri Lanka.
We don't know why.
I don't know that yet.
So anyway, he comes and advocates for world peace and he set up Scientific industries, yeah.
So they decided to get people into engineering and do production and things like that.
And they were going to school people into becoming engineers.
And my dad got chosen as like a kid at 16 to study space engineering or something.
And yeah, he went on the first commercial flight that was launched between Sri Lanka to Moscow.
At 16, and he chose a university in his school, thinking it was Paris, thinking he's going to France, but it was Patrice and it was the Congolese president who was assassinated by the CIA.
unidentified
Wow.
m i a
Or the opposition party of the Congolese government at the time were backed by the CIA.
Wow.
And so Russia built a university named after him and opened this first university to teach people.
unidentified
Wow.
m i a
Yeah.
And it was, it was a mad like chain of events.
So my dad accidentally ended up in Moscow.
Right.
shane cashman
And, uh, ended up in Moscow.
That's a crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
m i a
He accidentally ended up in Moscow.
And then, uh, cause he read the thing as a 16 year old, he was like, yeah, France is going to be amazing.
And, um, ended up in Russia.
And then he trained in engineering and then so he he made weapons when he joined the revolution because he he's the only one who had an engineering background and half of his movement was killed by the Tigers because there was internal fighting and So in India, they were hiding and everything because they were also hiding from the tigers because the tigers were just coming up.
And yeah, then that July happened.
And, um, you know, this is the thing about the revolution.
There's always internal fighting and everybody knows and It's like things are not so clear cut, you know, and the Tamil Tigers became the face of it and they did something which brought them into the bracket of, they were labeled terrorists by, I think, Canada and America First.
And once they were branded as that, you know, it's very difficult to do anything.
And regardless of, I don't know, trying to, um, Liberate the Tamils themselves.
You know, regardless of what the outcome were, everyone just sees it as we are defeating terrorism, you know?
shane cashman
It's weird that it's been like 40 years, right?
unidentified
The struggle, yeah.
shane cashman
And I believe the government has tried, they put out a report called Mass Graves and Failed Exhumations.
So they're kind of looking into it.
I don't want to say they're taking accountability.
But they've done something, but it hasn't turned out well from what I've seen from like family members who've believed they've got people in those mass graves.
It's weird, like has there been any country to say, hey, this is a genocide?
Because we hear about Rwanda a lot.
Obviously now we're talking about Israel and Gaza a lot.
We talk about the Red Guard.
m i a
Yeah, it sort of falls between the cracks because, like I said, I guess it's because it was the first year of smartphones.
And you know the government was filming the genocide and putting it on YouTube and bragging about it because you can when you're fighting terrorism you can be like look at all these terrorists were killing and they were killing loads of civilians you know they they pushed 450,000 people onto a strip of beach and bombed them and
450,000 people did not belong to the Tigers, you know, and the argument was some of them are the Tigers, maybe 15,000 soldiers or something.
I don't know what the last days, you know, the amount of soldiers who were part of the Tigers, what the numbers were exactly, but 450,000 people were bombed on that strip of beach and I think
In the end they took in about, I don't know what the number is, but into the camps maybe, they said they took in all 450,000 people but it wasn't true, you know, and then from the camps they removed Generations of people that they thought might come up and rise up again.
So they removed all the 15 to 45 year olds and killed them.
You know, they're all unaccounted for.
And ironically, you know, everyone goes down as M.I.A.
It's like you had, you know, on video you have them assassinating the 12-year-old son of the leader of Bahrain, which is like the saddest thing to watch, you know.
And all of the labels they used against the Tigers to label them a terrorist organization was that they were using child soldiers.
Yet, during the end of that war, they were just massacring children.
You know, like, when they do it, it's fine.
shane cashman
It's like Obama, you know, droning the 16-year-old boy.
m i a
Yes.
And so there's this, like, hypocrisy.
It's just actually just hatred.
shane cashman
Were you told when you hit up, like, the upper echelons of pop culture and you started talking about this stuff, were there people behind the scenes being like, you should stop talking about this?
m i a
Yeah, of course it wasn't cool then to be an activist and everyone saw it as, yes, why are you concerned?
Music is...
Music can be a very spiritual thing, you know, and it shouldn't concern itself with social problems, is what I was told.
And then I was like, well, actually, some musicians are social.
Like if you take John Lennon or Bob Dylan, if you remove the social out of it, they're nothing.
shane cashman
System of a Down.
m i a
Yeah.
So I was like, you know, that's not a thing, which is why I think the name kind of made sense later on.
tim pool
I wonder why that is.
Some bands, particularly System of a Down, seem to completely get away with the activism.
One of their music videos is just international protests against the Iraq War.
A bunch of their songs are outright, I mean, I think most of them, outright activist declarations, totally acceptable.
Rage Against the Machine, totally acceptable in every way.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Maybe because Rage Against the Machine was always raging on behalf of the machine?
shane cashman
Rage always wore the red star of communism.
tim pool
Yeah.
shane cashman
They're always Marxist chumps, although I love their music.
But System is different, for some reason, because they talk more about, like, the prison system and maybe things that we could... Well, now we can't do it.
It's not even a choice.
Some are.
Some are.
tim pool
I mean, System's still huge.
They're like one of the biggest bands in the world.
shane cashman
They're also weird because their drummer is, from what I know, a Trump guy.
tim pool
Yeah.
shane cashman
Surge, the singer, is definitely not a Trump guy.
tim pool
He's not a Trump guy?
shane cashman
Surge is not, from last I heard, not a Trump guy.
tim pool
That's unfortunate.
They're great.
shane cashman
Oh yeah, I still love them.
They're great.
tim pool
Well, I mean, I'll put it this way.
You don't have to be a Trump guy for sure.
I'm just saying, my assumption is he's an anti-Trump guy.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
And then there's artists, and I don't know if you can agree or not agree, that I believe you've done it authentically because you do it even though you get hate for it.
And then there's other artists who co-opt it, and they do it, like, I'll say Beyonce or Jay-Z.
I don't know how you feel about that.
m i a
I can't go there.
shane cashman
You don't have to go there, but I think, well, other than him being... You can go there.
I'll go there.
Other than him being overrated, I think Beyonce takes things from other people.
m i a
Yeah, she became a billionaire off the back of that.
That's all I'm gonna say.
shane cashman
Off the back of what?
m i a
Activism.
shane cashman
Right, because she's not really.
They just pretend to be.
tim pool
I think Serge is an RFK guy.
shane cashman
Well, that makes sense.
m i a
I accept it.
unidentified
That makes sense.
tim pool
I'm totally fine.
Okay, good.
m i a
That makes sense.
shane cashman
RFK became... RFK to me became like the easy choice for people who want to be rebellious.
m i a
No, but he does make sense.
tim pool
I love a lot of what he says.
m i a
And also, RFK has got this wake of Dead Kennedys behind him.
There's actually a band called the Dead Kennedys.
shane cashman
Oh, of course.
tim pool
Yeah.
The drummer of System is a Trump guy, apparently.
shane cashman
From what I've heard.
tim pool
And assuming he's still friends with Serge?
Yeah.
Okay, all I'm worried about is Trump derangement symptoms.
m i a
Even Trump said it.
It's about if you want to truly make America great again and you have to believe in the Constitution and all of that.
RFK does have very amazing historical knowledge, you know, from a personal perspective of that.
Like, if you really want to redefine that, he's got the knowledge to do that.
tim pool
A lot of the Trump supporters are attacking RFK, saying he's a nutjob and all that stuff, and I'm like, I kind of feel like Trump should have a cabinet position for RFK Jr.
because, you know, we interviewed him and it's very obvious RFK's core issue, the reason why he's running, is toxic environmental pollutants and things like this.
m i a
Yeah, but Trump doesn't care about any of those things.
tim pool
It's true, and that's why there's a lot of people who wouldn't vote for Trump, but if Trump says, You know, look, let's say in a few months RFK is clearly out of the running or whatever.
Trump goes to RFK and says environmental cabinet level position, then I think a lot of people would be like, okay, totally.
m i a
By the time my dad left politics, his last thing was that he wrote a massive theory on how there should be a central government with all parties, you know, for it to work.
And 25 years ago, My dad said to me, you know, this idea of democracy when every individual on the planet, like this thing that everyone's fighting so hard for, you know, If every individual on the planet is given a say, there will be chaos.
And I was like, what's he talking about?
You know, in between me watching some random soaps or whatever.
And it's just like, he's talking in the corner and you're like, what is he talking about?
Fast forward, you know, 30 years or whatever, here I am.
And it's true, if every single person and every single platform and every TikTok and every Instagram and every everything and every Twitter has got a say, there is chaos.
Okay, and right now we're living through that.
And not one party is going to be perfect for Satisfying all of these voices and maybe eventually my dad's right about that too that there would be a party that involves all of these party representatives that then can cater to every voice.
tim pool
I don't I don't know that it's possible.
Right now?
shane cashman
No.
tim pool
But just not even outside of like right now.
m i a
This is what we're talking about like RFK He saddles between Democrats and Republicans in this sense.
tim pool
But there's an overlap enough to where when RFK comes out and says plastics, like so we've got the glass bottles that I mentioned, it's like we have plastic water bottles here, some people don't care, but we also have the filtered water and glass bottles recycled.
Better for the environment?
No plastics in your body.
There's an overlap there.
The Trump administration could say like, We want to put you as a health advisor, and so you can talk about plastics and chemicals and forever chemicals and microplastics, all that stuff, and people on the right will absolutely support it.
But there are some, like, there's no position for Joe Biden in the Trump administration, right?
Joe Biden is the antithesis.
If Trump were to win and then say, I want to give Hillary Clinton a shot, people would absolutely not.
She represents nothing that could benefit this country.
There are people who would march in lockstep behind Hillary Clinton, I gotta be honest.
I kinda feel like the only people who are supporting Biden and Democrats are people who have no idea what's going on.
And the people who are supporting Trump are a mix of some who don't really know, and some who know too much.
shane cashman
I would say that if they do know what's going on, they like the destruction.
tim pool
Right, right.
I agree with that.
They're nihilists.
This has been a very interesting episode of The Culture War considering, so I want to stress this.
m i a
I mean, yes, I am coming from culture and you have the president is almost like a rapper right now.
tim pool
He's hilarious.
But there are people saying, like, what is this?
Look, we did not know that Donald Trump would give a historic press conference after he was found guilty when we were setting up a conversation around, you know, Julian Assange, M.I.A.' 's work, immigration.
m i a
And silver.
tim pool
Silver and all this stuff.
m i a
Because, you know, Trump is saying, hey, I want to move manufacturing to the United States and da-da-da-da-da-da.
Tate Blackrock, who basically Whoever the World Bank who now took post-war in Sri Lanka all of the gold reserves from Sri Lanka and I guess silver too.
So during the economic crash, they took it and now it's in the World Bank, right?
And this reserve is not then utilized in the United States of America to make this fabric.
I have to go to China to get it.
unidentified
Wow.
m i a
Yes.
So it's exclusive to Chinese factories.
And so you can be like, oh, why do you produce in China?
I have to because Even though America's holding all the metals and the precious metal reserves, like Black Rock, they're not using it.
tim pool
You know, it's really fascinating.
You know the old song, make new friends but keep the old.
One is silver, the other is gold.
For all the people watching, your old friend, the golden-haired president, and now we have the silver-clothed singer.
And so there we go, but we're gonna start winding things down.
I just wanted to stress that You know, normally this show is about just talking about deep cultural issues, but when you have a press conference from a president, you can't not play it.
So I just want to make sure everybody understands, you know, how the format of the show went.
But subscribe to Tenet Media, smash the like button.
Maya, also known as M.I.A., is there anything else you want to shout out?
You've got Omni, is there anything else you want to say before we wrap up?
m i a
Oh, I don't know.
It's a lot to say.
No, I think that's it.
Omni's come out today.
It went live today.
Thank you for having me.
tim pool
Would you go on Alex Jones's show?
m i a
I would actually.
I would.
I would go on Joe Rogan and Alex Jones's show.
Because you know why?
He owes me.
He owes me.
Because I think it would be interesting to talk to Alex Jones about this stuff because I think he's talked about it.
tim pool
I think he'd buy a bunch of it.
shane cashman
He also loves music.
He's a huge music nerd.
m i a
You know, I didn't know anything about him until the media blew it up and went Myers-Alex Jones.
unidentified
That's what they do.
shane cashman
They Barbra Streisand effect everything.
m i a
I have to get to know who he is and then by the time I found him and started like Looking at what he does.
shane cashman
He was already off air like no already take they'd already taken him off well He's been he's been doing it just On his own, and he's kind of a little harder to find.
tim pool
So, the website is ohmni.com.
It's up.
m i a
And, uh... Ohms is... Ohm is... George Ohm is a German guy who invented resistance.
That electricity has a resistance.
shane cashman
That's awesome.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And so it's named after him.
Right on.
Thank you so much for hanging out with us.
m i a
Thank you.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Shane, did you want to mention anything before we go?
shane cashman
That was awesome.
We're going to hit up Alex Jones right after this.
unidentified
We are.
shane cashman
That's definitely happening.
tim pool
That's why I asked.
shane cashman
I'm like, I want to text him.
unidentified
I can't wait.
m i a
Well, they call me a tinfoil hatter, and I have the tinfoil hat.
And I think, you know... Like the best tinfoil hat.
...next step is for us to make the beanie that Tim is wearing.
shane cashman
Perfect.
m i a
And yeah.
shane cashman
I want some too, and yeah, you can find me online at Shane Cashman.
I got Inverted World Live on Sundays at 6 p.m.
Eastern.
This Sunday I have Ian Carroll coming on to talk about a lot of crazy stuff, so join us there.
tim pool
Fun show, ghost stories and everything at Inverted World.
All right, everybody, we're back tonight at 8 p.m.
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