The Culture War #61 Feminism Has Become Anti Female, Going Woke, Protecting Males w/Katherine Krozonouski & Natasha Biase
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We realized that our male viewership was too high, and so we're going to give the women what they want, and we're going to talk about Taylor Swift for two hours.
Well, I'm sure Taylor Swift will come up, actually, because Taylor Swift actually somehow made her way into politics without saying anything.
Everybody was just really concerned she was going to scream Joe Biden's name at a concert or something.
But the interesting thing is, I think the core of a lot of this, I actually pulled up a bunch of stats, The culture war could break down in a bunch of different ways, but one of the ways it could break down is male versus female.
Women vote Democrat, men vote Republican.
It's kind of weird.
And then you have, in deep blue cities, overwhelmingly Democrat and the results of that.
So, I don't know, do you guys want to introduce, do you ladies want to introduce yourselves?
unidentified
I'm Natasha Biazzi.
We are the co-hosts of The Shallow End.
I also write for The Publica, I do some videos with them, and I also do some videos with Redux Magazine.
Oh my god, the conversation is actually going to Taylor Swift.
unidentified
Look, if you want to talk about politics with Taylor Swift, But she actually is, I think, a really interesting person when it comes to conservative politics.
There's a guy on Twitter named Edmund Smirk, he writes a lot, and he's kind of coined this term, Swiftian normality is what the right needs to embrace in order to win.
Swiftian normality, exactly, because she represents everything that conservatism kind of Is supposed to be, um, gender wars aside, you know, she's, she's moderately conservative.
She's feminine.
She doesn't have any tattoos.
She doesn't do drugs.
She's pretty, you know, inoffensive.
And I think that that's something that like more women should embrace in conservative politics.
And also, and also you've seen a lot of men kind of criticizing her lately for her relationship with Travis Kelsey too.
Um, so it's just like, she's like, I don't know.
They're like the American dream.
And I think that there's something that we need to go back to, to preserve normality.
Yeah.
As opposed to like idolizing someone like Ice Spice or, or the, I don't know who sings that song WAP, but I think it's Nicki Minaj.
Like I didn't know that term and I Googled it and I was like, that's disgusting.
And that's like, so if we're going to be like conservatives and criticize pop culture, like why don't we, maybe it's just cause it's such low hanging fruit that we don't like her.
That's so gross.
Like children are listening to this music as opposed to just like criticizing Taylor Swift for being like unmarried.
It's like, okay.
Do you think conservatives have a tendency to be anti all pop culture?
Yes.
Because I have this theory that, you know, pop culture is going to exist no matter what.
Somebody is going to be the pop icon and conservatives should really pick their heroes who they're going to back rather than saying all of them are bad.
Yeah, there's a lot of generosity in Hollywood.
On the other hand, it's not going away anytime soon.
Absolutely.
Right.
And unless you're calling it out, like people are going to be led by what's happening in Hollywood and in the media.
Yeah.
And that's what we kind of talk about on our show.
Yeah.
We we think it's important for conservatives to embrace culture, but like steer it in a direction that's going to be more wholesome instead of just like rejecting it altogether, because that's not how you're going to influence young people.
They're not going to win people over that way either.
I'm wondering why it is, and we can start, I suppose we'll just go all the way back and start from the most broad and crazy question.
Why do women tend to vote left?
Like the polls show it, the voting patterns show it, the midterms in 2022 showed it.
Men vote Republican, women vote Democrat.
What's that all about?
Is it abortion?
Women just want to get abortions?
unidentified
I hope that's not the reason.
I think I saw someone on Twitter say something that I found really interesting.
He said something like, women have kind of forgotten how life used to be before all of these protections were in place for women.
Like just in Canada, I just googled it the other day, but in 1983, marital rape became illegal.
So that's like, what, 40 years ago?
It's recently that we've enjoyed all of these protections from the law, and I feel like, as a woman, I feel safe walking down the street in a major city, where in parts of the world you don't have... Still?
Mostly.
Like, mostly.
And in so many parts of the world you don't have that at all, and I think women have forgotten what it was like, because in my generation we've always had those protections and we've always felt so safe.
It's like you forget how safe you are.
So you start voting like as if that's just the natural state of the world.
But the state of the world is rape.
Like it is.
Like that's how it is in so many cultures where you don't have these protections.
And I think we need to remember like we voted these things in.
So one of the stories that I love to tell is when I did hostile environment training for conflict reporting.
And this is where real life clashes with diversity requirements at corporations and the threat of lawsuits.
So, let's just be real.
To anybody who understands, like, news reporting in the Middle East, if you're a woman, you will be probably raped and murdered or enslaved.
And if you're a man, you will just be murdered.
Or, whether you're a man or a woman, they might try to, well, if you're a guy, they might kidnap you to sell.
If you're a woman, they will kidnap you, rape you, and then sell you.
And doing this hostile environment trainings, they did give us a training where, so they do these scenarios, these role-playing things where they had us driving in these SUVs, a bunch of guys jump out with guns pointed at us.
Then they take all the women from the vehicle, bring them into a big barn, and then all the women start screaming.
And so the women who were screaming are being told by these guys to play a game.
Hey, now start screaming.
But the guys are all outside on the ground with guns pointed at their heads while they're hearing the women scream.
The women didn't get that experience at all.
So they didn't do the inverse where the men get brought into the barn and scream because that's... They were kind of in on it the whole time.
And then they pull us out of the car, throw the men on the ground, put us on our backs, hand behind your backs, guns to our head, bring the women into the barn.
And then the people running the program are like, okay, ladies, now we're going to play a game.
All of you start screaming to scare your friends.
unidentified
But it's like more real for the men in that scenario.
We know we're going to a scenario, and the actors are laughing or whatever.
There was no inverted scenario.
There was no moment where they pulled the car over, grabbed the men, put the women on the ground and brought the men into the barn, and then started having, okay men, now scream you're being raped.
That's not gonna happen.
But the funny thing that happened was, back at the HQ after the scenario, the guy doing the training asks, he's like, so what did you learn from this?
And someone asked, Is it only women who go through this?
And, well, legally, you can't really say things like that.
I mean, like, yes, you know, certainly, but come on, man.
In Egypt, during that revolution, like, there was a Dutch reporter, a 26-year-old woman, and all the journalists were very critical of her.
She went to the Tahrir Square and she got raped by thousands of men grabbing and ripping her clothes off.
Yeah.
If you're a guy and you walk in there, they're just like, I don't care about you.
A woman walks in and it's like all these guys are like, we can do whatever we want.
That's the state of the world.
So then you have Western society, which has enacted laws and given guns to a lot of people and things like that.
And now, to your point, A lot of people have forgotten that we built a safe and secure system that allows it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
And when people acknowledge that men get raped, typically in the West, it's in prison, which a lot of anti-women's violence crusaders will say, well, oh, that's a different environment.
It doesn't matter.
But it actually speaks to the brutality that men can have, which is, again, why the West created protections for women, right?
Like, we don't want to default to a culture where any woman walking down the street could potentially be attacked and raped.
And I think that inherently acknowledges the differences between men and women.
And that's why it is so bizarre to me that there has been such a divide between men and women in terms of the way they vote.
I mean, when women pick liberal causes, I ultimately feel as though it's because they've been sold a bad ideology.
They are often told that men are the problem when really, especially in the Western culture, we have progressed to the point where Male political leaders are often part of the reasons that we are able to enjoy freedoms in a way that women who are in more conservative, more religious countries cannot.
Well, it's definitely some cognitive dissonance for sure, I think.
But there are still men voting Democrats, specifically unmarried men, who at least affiliate with the Democratic slash independent parties or just non-Republican.
They make up like 76 percent of voters.
Yeah.
So it's like why... Unmarried men.
Yeah, exactly.
So my issue is like, why aren't the men who are, you know, talking about women who vote Democrat not going after and trying to reach those men?
Like you talked about the gender war before, like it's so tricky right now because women are online seeing all these men talk about how it's funny to be punched in the face in New York or how much... Not just me.
No, yeah, but you know what I mean?
But like some of the... Everyone got mad.
But a lot of the comments in that were kind of jarring.
I understand what you said, sort of, because it's like, OK, this is definitely the result of certain voting patterns.
But it's like, why are these men attacking women for the reason Republicans are losing, rather than addressing their own kind?
So in actually going through this, one of the stories, which is actually quite horrifying is a guy was scalding people.
He was taking boiling water and splashing in their faces.
What did the media report?
Man who scalds several women arrested.
He scalded everybody.
There were men who were victimized as well.
And I think the media was like, a story about a man punching a woman is going to get a lot of traffic.
Then you find out the guy was actually just walking up to random people and punching them.
It's hard to know for sure.
It feels like There was a couple guys who were specifically attacking women, for sure, but some of the attackers that people were talking about were attacking literally everybody, but the media was just reporting that as women.
So the issue, I suppose, with the guys who vote Democrat, I suppose the view that many guys have of those men is, of course they're voting against the interests of women.
They are not genuine men, and they are bringing about destruction.
So it's like, it's, it's, it's, you know, I guess in frog culture it's different because the female lays the eggs and then the male sprays them.
But the woman will be, the female frog will be coming to the loud, attractive peeper, and then the low value, they're called sneaky fuckers, hiding there, jumps on her, latches his arms around her, and then's like, I got ya!
And then you have the guys who are like lifting and minding their own business and they're like, vote Republican.
But the, so that I get, and I do agree, like these guys should be criticized all the same.
It's like, it's not, I don't think it's solely the concept of voting Democrat, but typically that Democrat policies are high crime.
You know, it's causing a lot of issues right now, inflation.
But then you have, I think, we have this story, 68% of unmarried women voted Democrat.
And then there was one poll from Pew several years ago that around 70% of millennial women identify as Democrats.
And that is disproportionate.
So what causes that?
And the issue with the women getting attacked in New York is, It has been a decade, you know, of these policies and so now you have a new generation of female voters and they all still keep voting for the same thing.
My thing with the, uh, saying that I think it's funny is it's ironic in its purest sense.
They vote for these things, they get what they voted for, but there's a few other ways to put it.
Maybe they're not even mad about it.
Like, if I vote for gun rights, and then some guy's walking down the street with a gun, I'm not gonna cry.
I'm not gonna be like, oh no, I voted for the guy to be walking around with a gun, so I get that.
And that's New York.
I suppose the issue is, though, why are so many of these people in New York who do vote this way, then complain about it, and then vote the same way again?
unidentified
I think most people don't understand politics at all.
Like I think, like I live in Toronto but I live in like a pretty, it's sort of like just outside of the city so there are a lot of families.
I think a lot of those people are just too busy to actually pay attention to what's happening past reading a headline or hearing what their friend says at dinner, you know.
I just don't think people have the time to actually sit down and invest in who they're going to vote for.
But then why are left-leaning parties, so in the U.S.
it's Democrats, but why are they able to capture that sort of non-attention?
Why do the people know, well, I'm going to default to this position?
I think it's like the politically correct choice.
Like, I think it's just like, if you're a conservative in Toronto, you're shunned.
It's probably the same in New York.
Like, I think it's like social suicide in L.A., someone once said, if you come out publicly as a Republican.
So are women more susceptible to that social pressure?
I think men are too, though.
Yeah, perhaps like caring more about what people think.
I think women are more collectivist in general.
Yeah, like the wine moms.
Taylor Swift sings about the wine moms in her song, like they're so judgmental.
Yeah.
But then why is it that the wine moms are lining up on the side of the parties that are actually encouraging crime in cities?
I don't think, I said, like I said before, I think it's cognitive dissonance.
I don't think people see the connect yet.
I don't think it's gotten bad enough maybe yet where people are like, okay, this is actually why these are happening, like why these things are happening, why these attacks are happening, why my taxes are so high.
I think that there's this liberal view of the world that's just kind of like flawed where they're like, well, if we treat people nicely, then everything will be fine.
And it's like, not really.
You actually have to like stomp on some skulls sometimes to like enforce laws.
And it's like, I'm not trying to be like a bootlicker, but it's like there has to be law and order.
And I think women have this idealism where it's like, but people are nice at the end of the day.
People are nice.
So if we give them freedom and we just let them live, it's like, That is true in a sense, but then there's also maniacs, like the guy walking around punching people in the face.
Like, are we just going to let that guy go?
And it's like, they think that if they just like, and I do believe in like, um, Oh, I can't think of the word right now.
Instead of like, like, uh, rehabilitation, but it's like, are we actually rehabilitating people or are we just locking them in a cage and then hoping that they get better somehow?
They're not even staying in those cages.
They're being like released from prison.
Exactly.
That's the thing.
Like there's no bail thing.
It's like, we're doing that in Canada as well.
And it's like, is that how, how is they, they think that's a nice thing to do, but it's not really rehabilitation.
It's just like unlocking the door, hoping for the best.
And I think women have this like nice, like, like it's nice.
Women are nice, right?
We want it to be agreeable.
Exactly.
We are agreeable.
We want things to be nice and safe, but it's like, that's not how the world works, girl.
So is part of it that women and maybe some, you know, Democrat or left-leaning men unable to see the long-term consequences of the policies that they're voting for?
Are they short-term thinkers?
Yeah, I think a lot of people are in general.
Yeah.
I think a lot of people aren't informed in general, women and men.
There's so much noise.
In Canada, our media is state-sponsored, so everything is a lie unless you're smart enough to go read the publica or Redux.
Nobody has any idea because everything is just CBC, we love Trudeau, get your COVID booster.
It's propaganda.
It's overwhelming too, especially with that Facebook thing where you can't see the news in Canada.
I think I just retweeted something that someone posted about this.
Let me see if I can find it.
unidentified
So does this mean that long-term, if women are looking to be collective and they're short-term thinkers, that the party just has to message for right now?
Who decides that they're going to move past, oh, I just want to be with this team or whatever else?
Why do we get people who break away from that mentality?
Well I think the issue right now I think it's obviously this is a new issue but we're chronically online I feel like all of us are chronically online and maybe other people aren't but just like when you're a woman and you're online and you're seeing all this like rhetoric about hating women and stuff like that and you have the rise of like red pillars like Andrew Tate like he's actually reaching young boys like I didn't realize this but he actually has influence apparently.
I think that like everyone's always so upset with women about voting Democrat and because we're so emotional, but no one's trying to appeal to our emotions.
So I think one of the mistakes too, especially with like the Andrew Tate stuff, they don't understand him.
And so the older generation is getting this media lens of what Andrew Tate is.
And then if you actually watch his content, you're like, okay, like he's actually a really funny guy.
So for instance, one video we had was, He's like, I just, I just bought 10 more Bugattis because when you're like me, you're going to have money.
And then the camera pans down, he's on a scooter.
And then he starts scooting away.
And he's this like ripped, you know, kickboxer riding.
It's, it's, it's, it's like a, it's like a gag.
It's, it's, it's satirical.
And then I wonder like, you know, he has that post the other day where he's like, if you don't have at least five kids by 40, you're gay.
I don't think he's serious.
I think he's baiting and I think it puts his name in the press.
I think he's making a bigger point.
The point he's been making is, you know, he said something like white men won't have babies because they can't control their women and stuff.
I feel like he's intentionally saying things over the top.
unidentified
I think a lot of people do that.
Oh, for sure.
Regardless, he's still influencing people, and I think that's why we took issue with your tweet about women being punched in New York, because you have a huge following.
You're influential, and whether you like it or not, people listen to you, and I think it's a little scary.
We read a lot of the comments, and it was just jarring, because you were joking, perhaps, but people actually think this and believe that this is funny.
I was sitting here and I was scrolling through the news and it's like some woman posted a video and she's like, she's, she's just like, I was walking down the street and a guy punched me in the face.
How could this have possibly happened?
And I laughed.
And then I was just like, how could this have possibly happened?
Like what's going on?
And then I saw more and I was like, It's ironic.
It's decades of these voting patterns of these women who virtue signal and make these videos.
It is, but it's like the bad guys who don't care about women and are trying to exploit them, the male feminist types, we get it.
They're bad.
It's also, those guys aren't worried about getting punched in the face.
So these women are angrily often posting about, you know, Donald Trump is bad, we should do this, we should do that, and then things get worse and worse and worse.
And it's like, for me, I'm 38.
And I'm like, man, I remember when I was 24 and we were talking about the problems of crime against women, and now there are still women after all of this time, they don't care.
I mean, Megan Rapinoe, this is the question I have on all this.
Megan Rapinoe coming out and saying, males should be allowed to compete in female sports.
And I'm like, but she- She's out of a job.
She's already out of a job.
I know, yeah, but- Or Katie Hobbs vetoing the bill that would keep males out of female sports.
I'm like, why do women vote against themselves?
And this is part of where the irony and the humor comes from.
I don't like that women are getting punched in the face.
I think it's a bad thing.
It shouldn't be happening.
But I'm like, at a certain point, I just watch it and I'm like, You know, why do women continually vote against themselves?
And I get that men are voting against women too, but like, duh, there are a lot of bad guys out there, they're misogynists, they want to exploit women, or they're just, they're just nasty guys.
But like, the millennial and younger generation of women overwhelmingly vote against themselves.
I just don't understand.
unidentified
No, I totally see where you're coming from.
And I think what we had issue with is we understood that and you had context for it, but a lot of people are stupid and they just see the words.
I think it's funny that women are getting punched in the face in New York and they're just like, yeah, that is funny.
And they don't understand this, this greater picture that you're painting or that you understand in your mind.
And I also think women are going to be the victims of these things more than the guys who have bad intentions and they vote.
They're not going to be the victims of these crimes, but women are.
And I totally understand why.
I don't really know why women are voting against our best interests.
It doesn't make sense to me as a woman who has only ever voted conservative.
But it does make sense, sort of, because like I said before, I think women feel like they don't have a place in conservative politics because it is kind of a boys' club.
And then when you're online and you see someone say, Oh yeah punch them lol.
Is that how you feel because you said you're conservative like you feel like you don't have a place in politics?
I feel like this year has been tricky to navigate as a conservative because I still identify with those policies and with those values but I feel like Everyone, everything online just is so much vitriol and hate against women.
It's just shocking.
I'm like, wait, I thought we were on the same team and like a house that's divided will not stand, right?
Like, so it's just, I feel like, I don't know.
It's almost like it's a psyop to divide conservatives or something.
Maybe, but I just want to say like, there is a major industry right now in just hating women.
unidentified
Exactly.
It's lucrative, you can make a lot of money doing it.
Especially on Twitter or X now, like yeah.
But the other thing is like women, like we're talking about these women in New York, as far as I can tell from the reporting, none of them are carrying pepper spray, none of them are carrying a gun.
That's illegal.
Fine, but like they are choosing to live in a place where they also don't have a way to defend themselves.
Like at a certain point, in addition to the way they vote, in addition to the way they choose to live, It is sort of laughable that they would be shocked that they are victims of violence when they put themselves in dangerous situations.
And mansions done in West Virginia, but it's constitutional carry.
So if a woman was walking down the street and a guy started walking up to her, she's just going to pull her shirt back and put her hand in a gun and be like, can I help you?
unidentified
Right.
But what about someone like Nat and I, like we both have our gun licenses in Canada and we can't carry our, we can't even, You live in a communist country.
And I've only ever voted conservative my whole life.
Yeah.
Same.
Do I deserve to get punched too?
Because I live in a place that can be dangerous and I can't have a gun on my hip.
Especially because in Canada, it's not like we live in Toronto, near Toronto.
There's nowhere better.
Like it's just as expensive no matter where you go.
Everyone's liberal, even in the country.
Like it doesn't, there's no safe space for like a woman to go out and just feel completely safe and not risk being punched by some homeless person or crazy.
I'm a crazy person.
But then why did you vote for this guy?
I mean, you guys didn't.
You're so young, but like, why is this the way Canada trended?
That's a tough question.
All the women in my life outside of Nat are all liberal.
Every single one of them.
Well, yeah, different groups.
But my friends are like, oh, you listen to Jordan Peterson?
Isn't he a Nazi?
That is the level of ignorance that we're talking about.
They like me still somehow, but the gap is so wide between us.
We've lived in the same place.
We've had the same experiences.
I don't, I don't know, other than my theory that I heard from that guy on Twitter about like we live in this safe, protected society and we don't really, we take it for granted.
Outside of that, I really don't know why women always vote outside of our favor, like outside of our interest.
Well I think Trudeau won because people wanted weed legalized.
Like, I 100% believe that is why he won.
And the name, people are like, again, it's like another... He has a historic legacy.
And there's two parking lots and like a strip of just like mulch and one side's apartments and the other side's apartments and it's like, yeah, it says do not cross.
unidentified
No, I used to live in British Columbia, that's where I'm from, and we used to live on the border and it was like in a little farming area and I'd go for runs there and you could literally just run across the field.
So I'm a British citizen, a US citizen, and a Canadian citizen, but because my parents immigrated here and they were able to apply for citizenship because at the time they were like, well, you're here, we have green cards, but also we don't know if we're ever going to need to move back to family or whatever.
Part of my complaint though, having similar experience to you, is that I have lots of Canadian relatives who are all liberal, which is that they look down on America.
When they talk about Donald Trump, they're like, he's just so ridiculous and whatever else.
Meanwhile, you guys have mass immigration, there's high crime in Canada.
Canada is not a utopia to look down upon.
And in fact, I think under Donald Trump, we're doing a lot better than Canada.
At the same time, they're still able to maintain this cognitive dissonance, and I almost feel like it's more intense among women.
Is that because women lie to themselves?
Like, what's going on?
I find it with both, though.
Like, I know people in my life, men, older, like, boomer men, who are just like, oh, that, like, America sucks, and like, they're just...
I sat next to a boomer at a dinner party once and he told me, anyone who voted for Donald Trump is mentally retarded.
Those were his words.
And I'm like, I didn't vote because I'm not American, but I'm just like, I just have to keep my mouth shut.
I had an email at a big company I worked for and they said, don't talk politics, don't talk religion in the workplace.
But everyone was sending Donald Trump, Orange Man, bad memes around all day.
But it's like, that's fine.
It's just fine to have this culture where it's like, Americans are stupid, Donald Trump is stupid, but it's like, can I speak up or am I going to get slapped in the face?
It's such a weird thing.
I was even in an Uber the other day.
I rarely take Ubers, but I was in an Uber and I was talking with my Uber driver because I'm a chatty gal.
He was talking to me about politics and I was like, Oh, he's kind of based.
Yeah.
And then I was like, yeah, I would really love to move to the United States.
And he was like, Oh my gosh, why would you want to do that?
I was like, well, cause they have civil liberties there that we don't have.
He's like, he was like, but what about abortion?
I was like, Excuse me?
Like, I was sitting there with my husband, like, what do you mean?
But I would say it's healthcare.
Right.
America's healthcare is so bad.
But like, I have known from relatives that they've had to wait six months for really critical MRIs before.
I mean, Canada says they have it better, but I don't think they do.
And then you go to the United States, and what a lot of these lefty Americans understand is they're like, why is my medical bill $40,000 if I was in Canada?
Yeah, if you're in Canada, they didn't have it at all.
unidentified
Well, they'd actually suggest you just go get medical assistance in dying.
To be fair, our country has a moderate resistance to it, but the same things are happening.
unidentified
Do you think it has to do with the fact that America has more of a religious presence than Canada does?
I feel like Canada is much more secular.
I think this is God's country, as Blake Shelton would say.
There's also I heard Tucker Carlson speak once at an event and he was talking about how like historically colder climates are more collective because like back in the day if you were outside of the community you'd starve and die and freeze to death.
So it's like you kind of have to take on more of a collective attitude because you're like I need I need to survive.
I need to trade my cheese and my guns or whatever.
So it's like, we live in the southernmost part of Canada.
So we don't, it's like, what's the problem?
It's very balmy for like half the year there.
But most of Canada is not in that balmy area.
So you will freeze to death.
If you don't get along with your neighbor, you might actually die.
This woman appears to understand how it goes when you're an activist, you get arrested.
The other woman is like, she's shocked.
What is happening?
Oh, heavens me.
unidentified
And then she's like, I can't breathe.
Like you're going to be the next George Floyd.
Like maybe that's why she would do it because she thinks like, oh, maybe this will create social change.
If they see an old woman get her face bashed in but it's like why are you fighting them?
See I think it's female privilege.
I think she thought I'm an older woman and there's no way cops would do this to me, right?
I mean I think she is expecting, despite the fact that she probably identifies as a feminist, she is expecting the world to actually adhere to the uh to the privileges that western cultures and especially more traditional cultures afford women yeah uh and i think that's kind of the lunacy of a lot of feminism that's that's how they are often able to say like oh but i'm a girl so we can't do this but also you should treat me equally and we should have all our same privileges have have y'all ever seen those uh reality shows where they put men and women on different islands
Well, my question is, do you think these are real?
Like, are the producers saying like, people are gonna love to watch this, the women will fail and then we'll get ratings, or is the reason there's like, there's like three of these videos, is it because women organize differently and?
unidentified
Well, the one that I can think of is actually, it was, they gave, I think it was like 10 or 12 young children, I think they were all around the age of 11, a house.
And so they did all boys the first time, then they did all girls.
And the boys, as you can imagine, The first 60 minutes that they're there, they're writing on the walls because they have food, they have whatever.
There's an adult who's nearby but doesn't interact with them.
And the boys are in anarchy, right?
They're coloring, they're throwing the furniture.
It's very Lord of the Flies, but it's mostly sort of destructive and they're all kind of in it.
Whereas the girls, initially they were like making dinner and they're sort of whatever.
And then there's like a immediate stratification of the social hierarchy.
And the most responsible one is like having a miserable time.
She leaves the experiment early.
And there's like a clicky girl who's sort of semi-torturing everyone and being loud and disruptive and the girls drop- there were more girls from what I remember who dropped out of this experiment than there were boys.
And part of it was the social, like they were in tears, they didn't like it, they didn't like being around all these women.
There's like an urban myth.
these young girls could not be left to be a social collective, whereas the boys sort of bash their heads against the walls and maybe they would have actually hurt themselves if there weren't cameras.
But like it didn't have the same sort of social bomb explosion effect that the other one did.
It may be real that men in basic training will all fight with each other early on They'll rib on each other.
They'll, you know, bully.
By the end of it, they're all friends.
They're in working order.
They know who's good at what.
And the women are the other way around.
When they first start, they're all really nice to each other.
But by the end, they formed cliques and they're all attacking each other.
unidentified
It's called The Bachelor.
Oh, there you go.
That is true.
I went to an all-girls school, so I always say, oh, I was never bullied in school, but then someone was like, you were the bully.
I really don't think I was, but bullying girls due to each other is mostly just like speaking behind your back, giving you an eating disorder.
It's much more emotionally manipulative and destructive.
I've read, I'm not totally sure on this, but I have read that actually eating disorders among high school girls who attend all girls schools can be higher than if they attend co-ed.
We all had eating disorders.
Which people say, oh, it's like, well, they're trying to be skinny and good looking for the boys.
No, they're competing against each other.
And it's so much worse.
I think single sex education is one of the most interesting ways to study the difference between men and women.
Part of it is in America, you know, anecdotally I know from a couple different admissions officers that boys tend to be more conservative generally.
They're either not political because they're young or whatever.
Girls line up behind, especially at the time when I was when I was talking about this, Hillary Clinton.
They were all for, all in, can't be Trump, has to be Hillary.
They felt this to their core.
I worked at an all-girls school at one point and I remember I wasn't there during the election and I remember the teacher telling us Well, we had canceled classes already because we thought we'd be celebrating, but we all had counselors out.
Like, there was this very strange difference, but at the same time, they say when you separate girls in middle school from boys peers, they do better in science, everything else.
Like, the effect of men on women's behavior is documented, whereas men, it's less so, right?
They do have maybe, as they're going through puberty, sort of the competitive sexual aspect of it.
Girls' emotional, political, and psychological behavior changes when men are there.
And when they're with women, especially when it comes to eating disorder, it gets worse, which is interesting.
But so, uh, because I follow them, uh, it sends me other comedians in my, in my, my, in like the algorithm or whatever.
And so, you know, Ryan Long has, and Danny have that famous SJ dealt like social justice and racist video where they're actually the same views.
And typically when I get a male comedian, it sometimes could be about relationships, but it's typically about some issue, like something in life.
It could be, what's the deal with airline food?
Like airline food issues.
I would say every single female comedian is talking about having sex with a guy.
And so, for real, it's like, maybe it's just what the algorithm does because guys... Maybe it's because you're a man and they think this will be appropriate to you.
Guys, it's because Instagram's like, you're a guy, and so a guy wants a woman to... I can't stand it.
I find it annoying.
It's not funny.
It's like, I get it.
You dated a guy.
Like, whatever.
And, um...
But I've mentioned this, many other people have mentioned similarly that Amy Schumer, for instance, her comedy was all about like, she had that one bit she was like, at the end of the day, my underwear looks like I blew my nose in it.
It's like, that's what she would do.
That's her comedy.
That's like her special.
Very heavily sex oriented.
And I'm like, You know, the trope was always that, you know, guys only want one thing and it's disgusting.
And I think the issue might be, because we're talking about what the boys do versus what the girls do, I actually think women are probably more focused on sex than men.
But when men are with women, it's only sex, you know what I mean?
So it's like, to the female perspective, she meets a guy and the guy's like, sex and nothing else.
But it's because when the guy's with other guys, he's like, football!
Hockey!
unidentified
Women talk about sex a lot more in detail with other women.
There was a great bit I saw, and I forget the comedian's name, and it was a good, family-friendly bit, so I apologize for forgetting your name, but he's like, so he's like, I had a friend who had been through a divorce, and I had seen him for a little while, and so I told my wife, we're gonna go golfing.
And then he's like, so we went out, we golfed, I came back, and she's like, so how's he doing?
And he went, I don't know.
And she was like, what do you mean you don't know?
But I can tell you his opinion on the fall of the Roman Empire.
unidentified
Exactly.
I feel like when men get together, they do activities.
So it's like they're focused on that.
Like my husband, he has like a chef friend and they just get together and they cook and I just sit and drink wine and watch.
So I feel like they don't, they're so fixated on what they're doing.
Whereas women, all we do is sit together and drink.
We love Avini.
I always cite this book, but men are from Mars, women are from Venus.
John Gray talks about the fact that men, if they go to lunch, it's typically to be like, we're discussing an issue and we're coming up with a solution, whereas women can go to lunch and just be there.
And it's a good skill.
I don't think this is bad.
We shouldn't bash women for it.
but they're like figuring out what's going on in the community.
Like who is hanging out with who and who's doing this and where are you going, whatever else.
It's modern day gossip, but also at the same time, like if you don't know what's going on in your social community, like that's not great.
That's not an evolutionary advantage.
Exactly.
There must be an evolutionary reason for women being the way that they are.
It's not just like, oh, women are dumb and emotional.
It's like, there's a reason for that.
Like we were created that way.
But this is also one of the reasons that I think marketing, I mean, left-wing parties, I'm going to say for the U.S., the Democrats have done a really good job of capitalizing on the collective hive mind of women, which is like if one of them perceives a threat, the other ones are likely, especially if it's a trusted woman, So as soon as it became, well, Republicans are trying to lock you up and, you know, send you back to the kitchen or, Whatever, like, horrible theoretical threat men are trying to do, it became, you cannot vote for this other party because you're voting against all other women.
And I think that's how women, like, in my generation, my liberal friends feel.
They're like, why would you want to vote for being barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen?
Sounds fun though, you know?
I mean, I don't mind.
I wear slippers when I cook because I don't like grime on my feet, but I'm pregnant and cooking.
But I think that there's that mentality that we're like, well, that's not how it is.
But then today it kind of is like, if you're not like Nat was saying before, like the red pill movement has sort of come down on women so hard where it's like, if you're not baking sourdough with a bow in your hair, being like, I'm a submissive, like I'll have sex with my husband whenever he wants.
It's like, you're a femme, you're a rad femme.
We have been called Radical feminist.
All the things, like, especially in our reply, like that video that we posted about you, people, men were in the comments being like, you ladies are the reason they're taking my gun.
And I'm like, no wonder you're unmarried.
We love guns.
I am married.
Yeah, you guys hate men.
You don't need men.
We're like, we're both married.
I love men.
Men are the best.
And we have guns.
Like, come on.
Like, what are you talking about?
Another funny one was when you reposted our AI skit, a lot of like, sort of people were like, what, what's wrong with being an incel?
Sir, I was like, to one of the guys, I responded, like, it's up to you to not be a creep, man.
Like, if you want to date a robot, like, that's on you, but let us know.
I am not saying to intentionally be like, I wonder how big AI girls tits are.
I'm saying-- - Tim did it for research. - Yeah, yeah. - I am saying that when the New York Post wrote about this and I looked up the website, I went, holy crap, these are massive tits on these women.
I think that's also why I was a little shocked by some of the comments in our AI skit.
It's like there's clearly an issue here where like this is going to take over.
Like men are like seriously considering this as an option for a girlfriend and a relationship.
Like I think that that's like a huge issue that needs to be addressed.
Why?
Why do you think they think this is the way to go?
I think there's a loneliness epidemic and a lot of these people don't think they can get a real girl because they either hate them or they just aren't working on themselves either.
It's like, because women are all bitches and sluts.
Exactly.
Why not just download one?
The problem is they're going to run into is like, oh, she can't really touch you.
There's some guy who's posting videos of a machine that he made that connects to an AI woman's voice and says all of these things while the dude, you know, uses this weird device.
unidentified
So it's basically like Her, the movie Her, where he hires almost like a surrogate while the AI voice kind of just does like a narration over them.
Each and every guy who's listening to something like this, I want you to imagine this, when you go to, right now on the, it's candy.ai, this website, you're gonna pull it up again, so see all these women?
I want you to imagine that behind each and every one of these photos is a demon tentacle hand controlling them, connected to one gigantic, disgusting, wart-covered monster.
unidentified
And you're going like, well, look at her, I bet she would be fun to talk to.
I also feel like if it was a guy using this service, he'd want the girl to be talking about weird sex stuff and the woman would want the guy to say more like... Close your day.
I'll dye my whole head a different color and come home and my husband's like, hey, I'm like, hello?
And he's like, you look exactly the same as you did before.
I'm like, I'm a redhead.
You smell good though.
Men are weird, you guys.
God bless them.
Men and women are very different, and I think for women it is much more about the emotional and psychological support that men offer, whereas for men it's obviously more physical.
It's one of the reasons that, like, women have smut novels, but men have, like, video porn.
Like she's... But that's also kind of funny because men always talk about how, you know, wearing yoga pants means you're a whore and all these things, yet this is what single men are looking at.
You guys are hypocrites.
It's the same guys, too.
It's the same guys, exactly.
They're calling you a whore for wearing yoga pants running and then they're like, but Brianna gets me.
Guys are divided where you'll hear the conservative guys being like yoga pants make you a whore and then the degenerate guys are like buying it on OnlyFans.
So it's like a divide or something because I don't think traditional conservative men There's actually going to be an overlap, for sure, for whatever reason.
Oh, you can call them on the phone?
But like, a lot of the guys who are on, say, Axe, and they're saying things like, women shouldn't wear yoga pants, probably not using the service.
And then the guys who are using the service are probably male feminists.
unidentified
Maybe they're programming the service.
It's like Andrew Tate's type of guys who are like, oh, yoga pants make you a whore.
And I've seen another girl say since then, like, I, what do you mean what are my hobbies?
Like, don't you realize I get my nails done every week?
I remember like my hobby is maintaining myself, which like costs money and time.
It is.
I think that the way that men and women's brains work are so different that it is difficult to say, like, our hobbies are the same thing.
You know, a man who is like, I'm going to go golfing for three hours, like maybe there's a social component.
You go with your friend, you never hear about his divorce or like anything else.
But if a girl is like, I'm going to go to lunch with my friend, that doesn't seem like a hobby.
On the other hand, like maintaining her social life is sort of her part-time side thing.
My husband would rather be upstairs playing guitar, like by himself than doing anything else.
It's insane.
Yeah.
I mean, that's what he wants to do.
I think one of the challenges with, uh, like the, the anti-woman energy is that there is a very serious disconnect between the understanding of like what women are interested in.
And a lot of times it's not the same thing as men, but that doesn't mean you can't be common, like have commonality or, uh, otherwise marriages wouldn't work.
Right.
And we know that they do.
Uh, one of, just to jump back to the yoga pants thing, I think there are a lot of, um, conservative men or just men in general who are saying like, no, no, I wouldn't.
I want a wife who acts this way and has this standard for herself who are ultimately sucked into watching a lot of porn or who to seek this stuff out because it's sort of like it's a separate thing.
They're able to separate it and feel less guilty or detached from it in a weird way.
And that becomes one of the issues.
If you're living your life publicly one way and you're doing something else privately, that cognitive dissonance is present in men as well.
And I think it encourages women to sort of Try to turn a blind eye to things that they wouldn't necessarily.
If you had a boyfriend who was like, oh yeah, I love you, but I just want to have sex with this other girl sometimes, you wouldn't be okay with that.
And again, being able to be like, I'm going to look for sexual gratification in one place, but also I still want you to behave a certain way.
It's just sort of separating out something that our culture, because we didn't have this widespread access to pornography, used to keep consolidated in one place, the marriage.
So, Pearl Davis is a great example of this very women-critical space.
I'm being very generous as I describe it that way.
But I'm wondering if...
You've got a predominantly male audience on these social platforms that are watching news.
So many of them, especially now with the trends we're seeing in dating where younger men have no relationships, have never met women, struggle to meet women, have not had sex at all.
I think like virginity under 30 is like a 30% or something.
Seamus Coghlan who was just here.
I brought that stat up, and he goes, based.
Because he's a conservative Catholic, and I was like, not based.
20-year-old men should be married, and they shouldn't be virgins, right?
I mean, if that's your worldview, you should be actually upset that 30-year-olds are, and he's like, oh, right, actually, yeah, good point.
And I'm like, right, you shouldn't have a 30-year-old virgin even in a traditional conservative society.
So I feel like then with all these young men, who clearly have desires, can't attain them, then see these posts from these red pillars and these, you know, quote unquote, women critical spaces, and it generates a ton of money.
There's anger and animosity and large male audiences.
I feel like you're not gonna be able to go to a bunch of, you're not gonna be able to go to like a makeup channel and be like, women suck.
Women are bad.
They just want to divorce their husbands.
No woman is gonna want to watch that.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's like that old saying, like, in news, if it bleeds, it leads.
It's sort of like the modern version of that.
So if I, like, we've talked about this all the time where we're like, you know, the best way for us to make money on X is to, like, just rage bait, just be total assholes.
Yeah.
And just be like, women should just be making bread and shut the fuck up and all that.
Like, we would get way more traction than us being like, actually, there's nuance here.
And I don't like, even though I'm a conservative Christian female, I still think that I should have rights and Not be raped at my husband's whim.
Like that's not as cool and fun and popular on the internet as just being like, fuck those bitches.
Like, sorry to be so crass, but it's like, that's, it's, it's, we know that we rage baiting is such a real thing and engagement farming.
And it's just like, I love Twitter.
Like I'm on it nonstop.
And I think Elon Musk has done a great job with the free speech angle, but making people get paid for engagement, I think is a big mistake.
The big question is, we have a lot of people who come on Tim Cast IRL, females, it's never the guy, and they say repeal the 19th amendment, which, do you guys know what that one is?
Or I guess it's literally that you cannot restrict vote based on sex.
So I don't think voting is a right in this country.
I'm not entirely sure.
It might be a privilege.
I don't know.
But there are many people who have now started to move into the women-shouldn't-vote-at-all space.
unidentified
I think we should be allowed to vote personally for many, many reasons, including but not limited to the fact that we have free will.
We're Christians, so We believe God gave us free will, so why would he create men, give them free will, and then not just make us sex automatons if that was how the world should play itself out?
And there's a million other reasons, but talk about male vegans.
Why did they get to vote?
An unmarried male vegan gets to vote, but I don't as a Christian conservative.
If we're going to start picking and choosing based on how we think it's going to end up, like, well, yeah, like even my husband was saying, well, if women don't vote, then there'll be more like conservative outcomes.
And I'm like, but you don't get to base who gets to vote based on how you want the end result to be.
That's just not democratic at all in its essence.
So it's like, I don't want people who drive big trucks on the highway behind me swerving in and out without signaling.
I don't want them to vote.
Who's to say your vote even really means anything that much anymore?
I'm shocked that Trudeau is going on like 10 years in Canada.
His approval rating is quite low.
Every time you talk to someone in Canada or even in Toronto, everyone hates the guy, yet he somehow manages to secure the government.
Well that's why there's a lot of people saying women shouldn't vote because women overwhelmingly are voting for these liberal left policies without paying attention to the news.
unidentified
So we need to make them pay attention.
We need to like earn that vote.
And it's not fruitful to yell at women and scream at them about it and yeah and threaten to take away their right to vote or not right I guess but you know.
I think the issue for the United States is not that women have the right to vote but that women gained the right to vote without equal civic responsibility.
And then we stripped civic responsibility from voting entirely.
So, you know, if you look at 2020, I think Donald Trump won the argument and lost the election.
The Republicans and the Trump supporters thought, we're going to go tell people that the economy is booming under Trump and there will be war under Joe Biden.
And sure, that's a great argument.
And then Democrats were like, what does that have to do with collecting signatures?
They went around and collected more pieces of paper about harvesting, nursing homes, all that stuff.
And they got what they needed to get in order to win.
If you go back to suffrage, the main argument why there were many women who didn't want the right to vote is because voting was tied to the draft and fire brigade and things like that.
And there were women who were like, no way are you going to force me to join the fire brigade.
Are you nuts?
And so then finally the compromise was, okay, okay, how about this?
Women can vote and they don't have to do anything.
unidentified
- But men don't have those responsibilities, like you said. - Anymore. - Anymore, yeah. - And so that's the big issue.
So I actually think, I don't care if women, I don't care for the arguments to repeal the 19th.
We need a 28th amendment, which says, there has to be some civic responsibility.
One potential solution, in the United States at least, I was talking to Vivek Ramaswamy a year ago about this, was in order to vote you have to sign up for the Selective Service.
Because at first we were like, service guarantees citizenship, so you have to do, you know, two years of some kind of civil service.
I didn't mean military.
Yeah, there's plenty of jobs for women in the You could be working at a community center, you could do a soup kitchen, you could do roadside cleanup, you could teach a soccer team or something.
It has to be civic duty to your community.
And then the problem is, it's pretty heavy, two years, right?
And I think this was Vake's idea, he said, and I don't think he's on board with this anymore, at the time he proposed it, once you sign up for selective service, which is in essence the draft, you get a voter ID.
The reason why the narrative of making dinner came to women was because men went and fought in wars, and then the women did the support roles.
But that's just it.
I think it's a great idea.
It's relatively simple.
And then what happens is all the feminists, all the people who hate this country, instantly are not voting anymore.
And there's nothing stopping them from doing it.
unidentified
Because I think ultimately you want people to have stake in the game, so to speak, right?
You want them to be engaged.
Like I used to say, and I don't, I still feel this way, like I am open to repealing the women's right to vote provided that we make it just married men who own property.
Like I would want it to be something that we're changing it so that the base voting bloc represents a It's a modicum of society that I want to see grow.
I want to see more families in the country.
I want people to have their own children.
And if we made it so that there was something that you felt invested, like if you're signed up for the draft, you know, even if it's really small, you could potentially be called to serve.
If you are voting knowing that ultimately you are representing your whole family and their future, like I think that That emotional psychological pressure is important.
I think people need to have more than just like, well, I'm here, so I should get a say.
No, you should be participating in the culture and society you're creating.
I think the messaging is the issue, though, because when you see someone screaming repeal the 19th on Twitter, people are confused.
And when you put it the way you just put it, it makes more sense.
And I think it's a marketing issue, which is honestly the root of all the problems with conservatives in general.
We're just really bad at marketing, really.
Like the right needs a rebrand.
Well, and I think part of like You know, some of it is like, you guys were alluding to this, that shock sells.
And so if you're able to say, especially in Twitter, with Twitter, if they're rewarding you for engagement, if you're able to get people to come fight in your comments, you want to say the edgiest thing you can.
And maybe you have a secondary platform where you could explain what you mean, but also you don't have to, right?
And I think that's, One of the challenges with marketing online right now, like the things that, uh, you might draw conservatives who are, if you were to say like, yeah, I think everyone should, should get married and, and, you know, divorce should be illegal or something.
There might be people who are like, I can't believe you'd say that.
It'll get engagement though.
You can't tell if they're saying it with good intention or not.
And I, I mean, that's obviously a very shocking statement to read, but you have no idea the intent behind it.
And a lot of people are just being careless with the words that they're using on Twitter.
Because you get privileges, like you get paid for being careless on Twitter.
Exactly.
But on the other hand, it is advancing the conversation, right?
I think so often conservative issues, conservatives don't lead the conversation.
It's always responding to something that the left has done.
They're always playing catch.
Catch up, yeah.
And I don't think, like, when I say, like, I don't like how people are being rage-baity and stuff, I'm certainly not saying I want that to be shut down or ban- like, I don't think any idea should be banned.
I think you should be able to say the most heinous, disgusting thing you can possibly say on the internet.
I just don't like how people are getting paid for it, and I think it just makes the whole problem worse.
It's like, if we're just sharing ideas for the sake of sharing ideas, I almost think that X was better before it was monetized.
Maybe that's because I make no money.
Yeah, that's also because I make no money.
But also like, I don't want to, we've again, we've talked about this, like I don't want to do the things that I would need to do to make money on X. Like if I posted more selfies and had more shit takes, I'd make more money, but I'm not willing to do that.
The problem I have with the monetization of X is that now whenever I troll someone, they accuse me of grifting for money.
And I'm like, the two grand I make, you know, like a thousand bucks a week, I get about a thousand bucks a week on X. Like, that is not a motivator for me to post pictures of Donald Trump super ripped.
unidentified
But for a lot of people, it is a motivator.
It's like, it's life changing money for a lot of people.
Anybody with millions of followers is probably making a lot more money doing other things.
So it's cool that monetization is there, and I look forward to them improving upon it.
Some people, however, without saying their names, are getting, were getting, I don't know if they're still getting like 30 grand a month from their engagement with substantially less followers.
unidentified
Look, Tim, I told you not to tell people that.
Well, congratulations.
Dinner on you.
I'm like barely alive on X. No, I mean, it is interesting that it is a system that rewards shock content or hateful content.
On the other hand, I do think that It is, it has been motivating for me in some way to see people say sort of bold and brash things.
Like, I know it is, you know, when Tim tweets, like, I, it's funny to see these women get punched.
Like, yeah, obviously you don't want anyone to be advocating violence against women.
On the other hand, it is interesting to see that this is something that makes people come out.
You know, if you're just saying nice things.
If you get the conversation started.
Right.
There's something to it.
Yeah.
Yeah, and you have to fight bad ideas with good ideas.
So it's like, if you say something that I disagree with, I'm not going to be like, you shouldn't be allowed to say that.
And I think I should be allowed to just be like, I'm going to call you out on that.
Even if I get less engagement, it's not really the point.
It's just like, I like how it's a public square and I really like how free it's become.
Because you need the bad idea to be out so you can fight it.
I want to stress this to the people in the chat who are like 40k a year is not trivial.
No, I understand that.
But the only way to get 40k a year is to have millions of followers and people with millions of followers who are generating the kind of engagement to get that kind of money off X. X is not their main source of revenue.
So the idea that I'm posting things on X because I'm like, oh boy, 40,000 a year, when I could literally just post a link being like, buy a shirt and make $40,000 in a month, like the Twitter X revenue is trivial and not a motivator for a lot of people.
However, there are some people who Have nothing else.
unidentified
Someone like Anna Pearl Davis.
Yeah, they abuse it.
She probably doesn't have a lot of other income sources.
Do you think the issue... I saw someone say this of her, and I'm not intentionally... This is not my opinion.
Someone said, Pearl is a woman who is insecure, has said she's insecure, feels like she's unattractive, and struggles with men, and found a path towards having a bunch of men now like, respect, and watch her content.
unidentified
Yes, 100%.
Yeah, of course.
We call it a pick me.
Pick me, yeah.
She's 100% a pick me.
I'm not like other girls.
I hate drama.
Girls are stupid, not like me.
I'm smart though.
I was one of those when I was 16 years old.
It's something you grow out of because when you're young you want to be like, hey, I skateboard.
I'm like a cool girl, but it's like actually I'm going to break my ankle.
I'm bad at skateboarding.
I only ever pick up my skateboard when a boy whose attention I want is in the room.
And the people that I love the most are women, outside of my husband and stuff.
It's true, ultimately most women care more about what other women think about them, for sure.
Yeah, that's the thing we were talking about, guys not knowing anything about their friends' relationships or whatever, and you were saying guys do things.
We have a skate park here.
When the guys show up, I literally have no idea where they live.
I don't even know their phone numbers.
They show up and I'm like, Hey, what's up man?
Fist bump.
And then, you know, he does a kickflip backside five out on the ledge.
So I think, you know, obviously for women, it is more about the social, interpersonal, and for the men, it's the object.
Actually, there's a really good example of this.
Men rag on women for this all the time, and it is always really... I've always wanted to be kind of dumb that...
There's a meme where when a guy buys something and takes a picture of it, women take a picture of themselves holding it.
It's about them.
And I was like, it's funny because for a while, men online ragged on women for doing this.
And they were like, ha ha, look how stupid women are.
And then they just love themselves.
They're so vapid and vain.
And then there was this story on Reddit where a guy says that him and his brother were sitting with their grandma and she was showing them a photo album of all the things she had done.
And then she was like, and here's where we were at the Grand Canyon.
And it was a picture of just the Grand Canyon.
And then the grandma was like, why do I have a picture of the Grand Canyon?
I don't care about the Grand Canyon.
I care about your father and your uncle.
And then he realized, wow.
And from that point on, every photo he ever took when he went out always had him and whoever was with him in the photo.
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You don't look back and like, oh wow, this blurry picture of the Grand Canyon.
It's like to see these young guys on social media be like, oh, look how dumb women are taking pictures of themselves.
And then it's like, yeah, you're going to be an old man and you're going to wish you had pictures of yourself and your friends.
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Especially if you're trying to date online.
Have you seen the state of those?
I'm on Reddit, like the Tinder subreddit.
Oh, it's so tragic.
Like it's very entertaining for me, but a lot of it is men who are like, I don't know what pictures to post because they don't have any pictures of themselves.
But it's a fine line because when a woman sees a man who is You know, with his shirt off and he's holding a baby and there's a burning building.
In, I don't know, I don't know much about modern dating, but I know that like in the, in the late 2000s and 2010s women, there were articles written about this by feminists.
Women would often say, if you've got a picture of yourself with no shirt on pass, don't bother.
And then, and then they found overwhelmingly women skew heavily towards men who are shirtless with abs.
So even though they'd say not interested, they'd lean over and be like, well, I'm going to tell my single friends to change their ways.
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I think it's one of those, like I can change him.
There are situations where it's like I want him to be hot for sure and I don't want him to be a douchebag but I want him to change for me.
It's also tricky on dating apps because you don't really understand someone's worldview and a lot of people you don't understand their intention so it's really hard to grasp from first swipe if you're aligned or if this is just a hookup.
But it's just like, imagine how brutal it is for someone to be like, what did you do to yourself?
Like, I aged, I aged 20 years.
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I went in and asked someone to do this to my face because I thought it would be good.
I mean, to be fair, Kylie Jenner built a whole lip kit industry by telling people when she was a teenager.
Overlining her lips.
Overlining her lips with makeup when actually she definitely 100% had lip filler.
She should be held accountable for that.
That's a crime.
That's assault.
But what's scary about people like her is that she is young and a lot of her fans grew up with her and now they are also getting a lot of those same procedures that she has.
And it looks weird.
And they look weird and they're gonna age quicker and they don't have endless money to reverse their BBLs and all that like the Kardashians do.
- Come on, Tim, you gotta be up on these things. - It's the news. - But they also don't have access to the plastic surgeons that these celebrities have who are very good They're very meticulous.
Like someone is just flying down to some Caribbean island for 10 grand and hoping it works out.
It's one of the few places where it's inverted and the wealthy live on the shore and the poor live in the hills, because usually it's the other way around.
And my Brazilian friend, he said, as part of the pacification and reformation policy for the favelas, they went with guns, they killed a bunch of people, they purged all the gangs, and the government took over from these poor areas, but they built chairlifts.
They built these big gondolas so that you can easily get to and from.
It's actually really cool.
You can go from the top of a favela to another favela.
And he was like, man, but the thing is, they're getting rid of our major export men, the butts.
And he explained that for a long time, the women would have to walk with their groceries up these hills and their legs and butts would get massive from it.
And now that they're all riding the gondolas, their butts are getting small.
I was watching Fox News the other day and a commercial came on for Botox.
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And they're calling it baby Botox too now for people in their 20s and even younger teenagers are getting it.
Have you heard of Sephora Kids?
Kids are basically going into Sephora and using some of those skincare products that are anti-aging, which is going to ruin your skin barrier and basically make you look like an old hag.
But they're convinced they need it.
That's what's so interesting is like, if I don't do it while everyone else is, if it's just a little bit, like with all of these things, you know, it's, it's the indulgence in material and the consumerism that comes with it.
And it's shocking because Sephora is a very expensive store.
Like it's crazy that kids, parents are even letting them go and giving them money to spend on these products.
It's like just like it helps you get little tiny needles, but they're really small if I do it at home and I just roll it on my face and it's supposed to like bring blood to the surface.
Like you don't see blood.
It's not like that.
It's to improve circulation and to make the collagen production.
There was, uh, Seamus was talking about this, he, uh, there was this video he made, it's really funny, about the pyramid of conspiracies made by some liberal reporter, and one of, one of the anti-semitic conspiracies, because, like, the first one was not so bad, the second tier is, like, now you're getting danger zone, and the top one was the anti-semitic point of no return, and one of the conspiracies was baby foreskin facials, and Seamus is just, like, That's real.
A serum clone from the circumcised foreskins of South Korean babies.
This is why they want you to circumcise your kids.
They need those.
They need them.
No, I mean, it's super weird.
This is a huge industry, right?
And obviously like beauty is a big part of, you know, both women judge other women by it, but also women want to, you know, preserve their youth.
They want to be attractive to men and their husbands or whatever else.
Like, I don't want to spite this in and of its face.
Like if you are getting some sort of facial treatment, that's okay.
It's just that we have pushed the boundaries of beauty to be like, this is obviously ridiculous, but you now feel insecure without your super bloated lip.
That's weird.
Especially because skincare in general is kind of a psyop.
Like it doesn't actually work.
Women spend hundreds of maybe thousands of dollars on these facial creams that don't actually work better than drugstore products.
But yet we've been convinced that we have to go to Sephora and spend $300 on a cream.
And often the product is owned by the same company that owns the drugstore product.
Yeah, it's usually Xin something, but it's not Xinjiang.
But all you got to do is find a manufacturer for one of the core ingredients.
Ask the company.
So it's this mass-producing company.
They make a low-quality drugstore lotion that costs a dollar.
You're going to sell it for $100, put it in a small bottle, and then you're going to be like, I want to know where all of the ingredients from this are sourced.
What you do is source the garbage ingredients and then open a bottling plant in Trois Rivieres in Canada.
But don't say Canada.
Just say Trois Rivieres produced rare ingredients and that's why it's expensive.
The crazy thing that I learned a long time ago, I have friends who are very rich and there's the rich market and the poor market and the rich market is exactly that.
So people who are like, Oh, I make $500,000 a year.
It's like doing what?
I do white label products for a handful of clients.
Like, so I know someone who comes from a rich family and they basically say, yeah, all the kids are these ultra rich families.
They buy only our white label products and they're really expensive.
It's meaningless to them.
They're not going to buy Jergens, but basically what's the same thing for a hundred dollars.
They don't care.
A hundred dollars a dollar.
They're millionaire families.
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There was a video I saw recently of, so like Kim Kardashian has a shared TikTok channel with her oldest daughter North.
And they were doing some video, like they're, you know, doing a dance or whatever.
And you can see in the background a shower that has products on the shelf.
And the person was like, let's talk about what's in the shower.
And they know it's probably Northwest's room.
And so they're going through and they're like, oh, so this is a $95 shampoo.
And this is a middle school age girl, right?
She's 10.
part of the inception of the Sephora kids because yeah she's an influencer yes she posted a tiktok of her doing her skincare routine and it included like silicone like those gel things that you put under your eyes which are very expensive like you're 12 yeah you don't have wrinkles under your eyes and she's apparently launching her own uh skincare line as well i think Kim Kardashian trademarked Well, this is the model that Kylie started, right?
Like, create a hype around a product, make young girls think they need something, put a face to it that they're already following, and then make a billion dollars.
Yeah, it's genius.
And again, there are things that, you know, it's easy to talk to people in the industry and be like, women spend crazy amounts of money on all this stuff.
There are all kinds of things that men get excited about and spend tons of money on too.
The thing is, this just changes so rapidly and it's always, it's an insatiable desire to constantly be like, but maybe if I get a vampire face or this thing that I feel insecure about will go away.
I mean, you can understand why incel men are like, it's easier to have a robot girlfriend because it's too hard to understand women because they're constantly emotional and changing their mind.
I don't think that's a good response.
I think that's a very one-sided, selfish relationship.
We talked about this, I think, last week on the show about how Dating is really tricky right now too because women can do everything themselves.
They can go to a sperm bank and make a baby by themselves.
They are financially stable.
Some of them are more successful than men.
They own property.
So I think it's very confusing for men in that situation because women are like, I actually don't need you anymore.
I can do it all by myself.
Exactly.
It's very tricky.
Where women are like, I don't need you.
And it's like, we, we do though.
We need each other.
On one hand, you have these incel men who are not doing anything fruitful for themselves or society.
And then on one hand, you have women who are also contributing to this issue by fem strong, independent women.
Yes.
Fem cells.
Sure.
Yeah.
They're not creepy though.
And I think we over-marketed independence to women.
I blame feminism for this.
But, you know, as a country, yes, we wanted independence from the British.
It's a good thing.
And I think being capable and, you know, able to take care of yourself is not a bad thing.
I think what it became is like, you should reject everyone around you.
I mean, the same women that are like, I'm a strong, independent woman are often the ones that are like, you know, They don't want to participate in social activities.
There is sort of a withdrawing from everything.
a lot of this ends at the devotion to work and job and seeking affirmation through professional accomplishments.
But it's not a long-term rewarding mentality to have, right?
Like people are drawn together for a reason.
And they're like, you said your husband likes to spend all day playing guitar, but he still got married.
Like he still like obviously dated you.
He wants to be with you.
Humans are designed to come together.
And instead we're sort of replacing these in weird extreme ways, right?
And yet somehow everyone's miserable.
Right.
You could have a million followers on Instagram, but also never go out to dinner with a friend and never have any meaningful conversation.
But you're strong and independent and you're making lots of money, but you're completely lonely and isolated.
Where we're headed is living in the pods and eating the bugs.
But I'll start from where we are.
I remember being on Facebook when it first started, and seeing photos of the other people in my peer group, and they've got these cool photos where they're looking at the camera, and they're in the city, and there's lights on a rooftop, and I'm like, man, what am I doing sitting in my computer room?
Remember computer rooms, by the way?
And the reality was, highlight reels.
And people that brought it up, they were like, dude, you realize You go hang out with my friends, and most of the day it's like sitting around waiting.
Then we go up to the rooftop bar, we have a drink and we leave in 20 minutes.
But that photo!
And it looks so cool!
And so now we're at the point where, and this has been going on for a decade, now it's getting worse, people would make fake photos.
They wouldn't, like, influencers would intentionally, they're buying, they're renting private jets so they can board the jet, look around, and then leave right away, not really being on the jet.
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It's the same as going on vacation.
These women who seem to be chronically traveling, these influencers, they're actually going to one destination, bringing a million outfits, and just taking them at different spots in Mexico.
The creepy thing is, like, watching the advent of AI content, on Instagram, you can actually see the early, like, crappy AI, and you're like, well, that's clearly AI.
But you see comments on it, and there are boomer guys being like, you're so beautiful, I love you, and I'm like, they don't even realize what they're looking at.
The creepy thing is, there's some, like, There's either, I can be insulting and say it's a fat dude with sweaty armpits and mustard stains being, you know, posting these photos being like, ho, how are you doing?
The reality is it's a guy in a suit with a bunch of employees and he's like, I want to see engagement up 7%.
Are you responding to these guys?
Say that you want to bang them or something like that.
Let's get those numbers up, everybody.
Let's go!
Imagine an office, and you know they exist, where there's a guy in a suit, he walks in, and there's 12 guys at computers, and they're each running 15 different profiles of fake women, sexting guys, and other weird, creepy stuff.
I've heard that a lot of the time when there is a real woman doing cam stuff, that there's a man doing the chat, because the man knows what a man wants to hear more than a girl.
We had Ari Jacob on and she was talking about seeing these influencers and how they operate, and there will be like a female influencer on Instagram, or OnlyFans, but before OnlyFans, Instagram.
She walks in, she poses for the photo and leaves, and then the staff takes care of everything else.
Responding to comments, messaging people, and it's all a team of guys.
Fraud would, like, if I tell people I've got a youth serum and I'm going to, you know, if you drink it, you'll get younger, but really it's doing nothing, I'm defrauding you.
The guy who's pouring the stuff in the bottle in the factory has no idea what's going on.
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So the fraud would be the person- It's false advertising, to your point.
False advertising would be like, if you, I don't know how you get to false advertising on OnlyFans.
False advertising is when, like, the picture of the cheeseburger doesn't match the product.
Sure.
Fraud would be more like, you spend $10 to come into the building, it's my... Actually, no.
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She's saying like, spend $10 and you get to talk to me for... Tricking you into giving me your money, you're talking to some guy.
I mean, that is like... OnlyFans is super interesting though, because the whole thing would be completely eradicated if men stopped paying for it.
Yeah.
I think there are men who would find out it's a man they're talking to and like, shove it down and keep going, because that created a fantasy about this girl.
So the funny thing is, this would be a great skit for Seamus or something.
Or us.
Or you guys, yeah, there you go.
A guy on OnlyFans, and then he reads a news report that's like, he's following a woman, we'll call her like, you know, Candy Sarah or whatever, and he's like, yeah, she's great, and she's texting him, she's like, you're so awesome, I love you, you're so sexy, like, blah blah blah, and he's like, yeah.
Like if the guys are willing to talk to robots, I really don't think they're going to care if it's a guy talking to them either.
They just want the fantasy.
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Isn't it sort of the same thing as like what we started talking about, but why women are voting in these policies that are so detrimental to them.
It's the same sort of thing.
It's just like cognitive dissidents.
Can't say that word.
Dissidents.
Dissidents where you're like, I know this is bad for me, but it's part of this fantasy where it's like, I don't really care.
Like I'm living in my own little fantasy world here and I'm fine with it.
About how it makes them feel, too.
It's like temporary satisfaction for a permanent problem.
Exactly.
It's the same thing.
Yeah.
With guys, it's like, oh, well, in my mind, it's just a girl who's really attractive, so I'm going to pretend it's not a man, and I'm going to continue to feel like she wants me, and, you know, it's going to build my ego.
With women voting for policies that, even though they are paying the price and the consequences for them, they're like, but I'm a good person.
I'm voting for, Like, I'm voting for hope.
I'm voting for change.
I'm with her.
And that's good to be with people.
Like, they are sold these slogans and it makes them feel as though they are, they are the victors.
They are part of something.
Right.
And like, it's the same thing.
It reminds me of when people like talk about, um, getting vaccinated, right.
And being like, oh, well, I wouldn't let my, my in-laws meet the baby until they insured me they were vaccinated.
Like, because I'm so good and I'm so protective and whatever else it's preying on an instinct that women naturally have.
And some of the anxieties and neuroses that women naturally occur to.
But taking them to a really warped, terrible perspective and telling them to ignore the fact that there are consequences.
Because they don't want to be wrong.
No one wants to be wrong in these scenarios.
And it's the same.
It's preying on someone's manipulating them and preying on their emotion.
Men get manipulated.
Through their dicks.
And their ego, right?
If you think the hot OnlyFans chick, like, oh, well, her staff is talking to everybody else, but she's talking to me for sure.
But that also happened in the movie Her with Joaquin Phoenix, where he discovers that the AI girlfriend that he has is actually talking and in love, allegedly in love, with multiple other partners.
But I think part of it is that people don't want to have to accept that other people have false flaws in their own thoughts and opinions.
Part of this on-demand culture, or like, I want it this way, is it makes it easier to say, like, with women, it's fault-finding, and I know a lot of girls who, you know, maybe they should, maybe they shouldn't, but every single guy they date, they're like, but he doesn't do this thing, and I actually want someone who wants this.
And, you know, you should be discerning, you should be critical, but if you're going to think ultimately every man is a failure for any tiny flaw, you're going to be alone.
And with men, if you aren't willing to sort of do the emotional labor of connecting with a woman, then you're never really going to experience that type of love and commitment.
You can't just have it be like, well, I want her to be a man, except also have boobs.
Like at that point, either you need the AI or you just want to date a man.
Well, it's like dating apps make dating way too easy.
So you have, you think you have every option.
We've talked about this too.
It's like, it sounds bad.
It's like, you need to lower your standards a little bit and realize like you are flawed.
They're flawed.
And one thing we always address is like, if you're in a relationship, someone is choosing you too, but everyone always thinks that, oh no, I'm choosing you, but no, you're being chosen as well.
And I think that that's something that's been lost in dating culture.
I think for a lot of guys, they just need to... Actually, I'll put it this way.
There's a really funny 4chan green text meme.
Do you guys know what green texts are?
Nope.
So basically, it's just a point-by-point story, and one guy is like, be fat neat, meaning not in employment, education, or training.
They're like lazy, lay about, live with parents, decide one day to start going for walks, start feeling better, getting in shape, decide to find a job, find a job, go to the gym, meet a bunch of guys who start encouraging me and helping me, start lifting weights, getting fit.
They asked me to go out to grab drinks with them later, meet a girl, have a girlfriend.
Holy crap, this was so easy.
You guys lied to me.
Have you guys seen the viral video of the guy who's just like a day in the life?
And it's like, I wake up, I go to work, and then they're attacking him for it.
Do you think Batman's happily married with a big boobie lady and 20 kids?
And making babies?
Yeah, no.
Well, and I think that there was a time when a lot of people were like, I don't want what my parents have.
Like, I don't want to live in the suburbs.
I'm going to be edgy.
I'm going to be cool.
I'm going to live in these artsy ways and do whatever.
And it's like, so what?
You're broke and miserable and have five roommates?
Like, I'm sorry.
I would just rather be married in a suburb with kids and be able to do cool things and travel and have someone who I feel like I really understand and connect with than be like, I'm just not like my parents, like, get over your childhood trauma.
I think it, I don't, yeah, it's, she's completely inoffensive and I, like I said earlier, Swiftian normality.
We need to embrace her.
She's, and it's funny because we've talked about this on our show a lot, but everyone is going crazy for Sydney Sweeney and they're like, Oh, you know, wokeism is over.
She has tits.
But it's like, It's like, okay, well, tits have always been around, guys, but, but it's like, we're destroying the woke mind with the tits.
But it's like, meanwhile, they're mad at Taylor Swift for being unmarried despite wanting to and wanting to have children.
If you listen to her new album, she's clearly, she wants to have babies.
She wants to just be a normal girl, you know, within reason.
One of her lines in her songs about the loss of my life is like, you talked me under the table, talking rings and talking cradles.
Because she was in this six-year relationship with a guy who was slightly younger than her.
He made her a forever girlfriend.
Leaving me at the altar.
And this is a reality for women.
Yes.
Any guy could do this to you, but that also is a responsibility of men, like get into relationships with intention, don't just like hang out and be like, well, that is the worst.
Which is obviously a side effect of hookup culture, right?
Because everyone thinks they have endless time.
You can get all kinds of emotional support and sexual gratification from the internet.
What I think is going to happen is, around the age where millennial, it's already happening for millennial women, I don't know that they're going to start turning conservative, but I think the younger generation, these women are going to have, they're going to be on dating apps, they're going to be like 31 or 32, and they're going to be like, I need to start, I need to have a family if I'm going to have a family now.
They're going to meet a guy who's the same age, and he's going to say, oh I voted for Trump, I voted for Trump Jr., and I'm voting for Barron or whatever, however long this is.
You know, it's going to be like 20 years from now.
If they say, yeah, no, I'm not a conservative.
I'm not interested.
Have a nice day.
The guy's going to be like, bye.
And they're going to be like, crap, crap, crap.
All of these guys are conservative leaning and they're going to have to settle.
But the thing is, that guy is not going to have to settle.
The guy's going to be like, look, I'm not interested in being with a progressive.
Thank you and have a nice day.
So these women are going to either pretend or be forced to shift and be like, no, I'm totally fine with Trump.
He was cool.
Because they have a time constraint that the men don't.
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Or they just live in their fantasy to the grave.
They're just like, no, no, I don't need it.
I hear what you're saying.
But there's some women that are going to be so stubborn.
Women are surprisingly stubborn.
I think the real metric for what you're saying would be when men defect from the Democratic Party.
When even more men start to become conservative.
Like you're saying, we're starting to see those younger generations.
It's definitely happening among men.
Because Women do go where the men are, but in this case, I think a lot of people believe the reason that there are so many male feminists is because they're ultimately trying to get a girl.
And when they stop identifying that way, that's the sign that they're like, actually, if we just hold strong to conservative values, they'll come to us.
And then she said, like, I fell to the ground and screamed and groaned.
I will never be a mother.
I'm like, that's terrible.
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This is why I raised the question of short term versus long term thinking, right?
Like women are constantly told like, and men too, but in this case, it's women being like, well, if you just freeze your eggs right now in the future, you can deal with it and it'll be fine.
But IBS is not a guarantee.
It's incredibly expensive, extremely taxing on the body.
And even then you don't know for sure what's going to happen.
And that's why, again, at the top of the show, I asked, like, do you think women are short-term or long-term thinkers?
I think women do think long-term in parts because they biologically bear children, right?
So they have to think about like, What am I going to have for dinner tonight when these kids come home?
Also, where are we going to send them to school?
And also, they're thinking longer down the road.
In a culture where you encourage women to not have children and not think about the future, why wouldn't they become short-term thinkers?
Why wouldn't they think about the immediate, like, well, I'll just defer this problem.
I'll freeze my eggs, and I'll meet a man later, and I'll work my career.
Especially because it's so mainstream.
And you hear every celebrity is talking about IVF, and they're publicizing it.
And doctors will lie to your face.
Of course they will.
Because it's a very lucrative industry.
We just talked about a woman who lost like $164,000.
undergoing like IVF to try to have a baby on her own and she kept losing the baby and now she's childless but she's in the hole $200,000.
But even in the article she said, I never really thought about having a long-term partner but I always knew I wanted to be a parent.
It's like, problem.
Yeah.
Well, you shouldn't be bringing a child into the world without a father.
Right there.
Like, what do you think you can just play God and cheat and do a Frankenstein?
And what is your resistance to long-term commitment?
Like, why are we so afraid of things that are stable and solid forever?
What is this?
And again, we've talked about a little bit today, but like, the idea that there's always another product, that there's always another swipe on the dating app, there's always something else.
Like, that mindset is so toxic, I think, to women.
But it does make them want to rally around these institutions that say, no, no, Just think about now, just think about self-indulgence.
And that's where I think they are drawn to left-leaning political parties that sell them now as opposed to forever.
Yeah.
But it's because that is the cool thing in the media.
Like you're told you don't need to think about a family.
You can defer, defer, defer, but you don't like, so that's why we need culture.
And we talked about this a million times, like conservatives need to rebrand and get in on the culture war and like have a, have a cool presence to be like, Hey, it's actually.
Cause how else are you going to win women over?
You do have a biological clock.
It's not the But not by screaming at them and yelling at them and telling them they're stupid.
Bake some sourdough, bitch.
Don't wear leggings.
You have to bake it fun and cool and appeal to their emotions.
It's like, make baby showers great again.
Women are in isolation when they have kids, but make celebrating having kids fun.
This is the tragic truth about freezing your eggs from Evie.
And the story actually goes back to 2018 and 2015.
On the cover of Bloomberg Businessweek, freeze your eggs, free your career.
Bridget Adams, this woman, freed her career, froze her eggs, and they all failed.
And they said in the story that she screamed like a wild animal when she realized.
I just want to say, like, I can't imagine the gut-wrenching pain of you thinking, you're like, I want to have a family, I want to have kids, I can postpone it if I freeze my eggs, and then finding out at 45 it will never happen.
So sad.
You're sitting there thinking for like 10 years, yeah, as soon as I'm ready, I will.
And then they're like, okay, let's unfreeze your eggs.
That's the other thing too about the internet and you're saying don't be mean to people.
There are a lot of people online who will tweet at women saying, have kids, why aren't you having kids?
And I'm sure a portion of those women aren't gonna publicly say that they're unable to have kids, but man, it must be getting stabbed in the heart every time someone says that to you.
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Yeah, exactly.
You gotta be careful.
Or a woman, like my hairdresser, she adopted her children because she could have children, but her husband couldn't.
She's not gonna leave him and find someone new.
She didn't wanna go sperm donor route.
Exactly.
So she's like, this is what we're doing.
Yeah, I think it's hard.
And I understand that there is an economic pressure for women to work, right?
Like this is the reality, especially in America.
Especially if you live in Canada.
Yeah, Canada's even worse.
But on the other hand, I think You don't have to only prioritize your career.
This is, and I think men and women are guilty of this.
And again, it creates this permanent adolescence, right?
If you, especially when you have these generations, like times are tough, but you have more free income than you did when you were younger, and you just kind of hang out, like why not only think about the now as opposed to like, well, Like, I just had a conversation with a friend who told me, you know, she's in a serious relationship, they're talking about getting married and stuff, and she said, well, I'm nervous to become a mom, but I know I definitely want to be done having kids in the next 10 years.
And when you start to work backwards, like, oh, well, if you want to have multiple children, you probably want to start by now, and if you want to be married for a year before you, like, there are ways to start thinking, like, These things are in your actionable future as opposed to something we just defer forever.
And that's what's sad about this freer career thing.
Also, when I was growing up, my dad was like, have you ever thought about being a nurse?
Have you ever thought about being a nurse?
I don't have.
It's not for me.
But His point was basically like you could be a nurse for a while, you get married, you can have some kids, and then nurses have all kinds of different work environments.
You could work 12-hour shifts at a time, you could work at a school, you could do this.
They make great moms too.
They make great moms, you know a lot of stuff, it's applicable.
There are careers that allow you to be a family and you can work for companies that are supportive of you having families instead of it being like Just pretend you're functionally a man, freeze your eggs and push, push, push, push, push.
And then when you're 40, 45, 50, you think about having kids.
Like that's not natural and that's not actually a fulfilling life.
No.
And then there's the whole pay gap thing where it's like, obviously there's the lie part of it where they're like, Oh, women make 75 cents to the dollar, whatever.
But then it's like, okay, if you look at top earners, how many of the women had to stop in their tracks at 30 something to have kids, raise those kids, come back.
Where their male colleagues were being promoted in the meantime, did you think that wasn't going to happen?
I have girlfriends who are upset about that.
It's like, well, my male colleague makes more than me.
It's like, but you took a year off to have a kid.
That's such a beautiful thing to do, but you're not calculating that in your income.
They feel as though they have been gypped by society when it's like saying, don't you think that time that you spent with your kid is valuable?
Don't you think the fact that you can do that?
And he never could.
That man could never carry a child.
So if hopefully he meets a lady and hopefully you don't have any problems, whereas like you get to do this thing that so many people want.
I think they look at it as a burden when it's actually something very cool and powerful.
Yeah, there are costs, but like, so that's true for everything.
And if you're going to look at it as a burden, don't do it.
I'm not the kind of woman or Christian who thinks everyone should have kids.
Because if you don't want to, you're going to be bad at it and your kids are going to be messed up.
So if you want to be girl boss and do the corporate thing, you should focus on that.
Because if you try to do everything badly, it's going to be spread too thin.
