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April 19, 2024 - The Culture War - Tim Pool
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The Culture War #60 Diddy Raid, Could This Be Epstein 2.0 w/ Ian Carroll & Shane Cashman

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ian carroll
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philip labonte
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shane cashman
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tim pool
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tim pool
The question on everyone's mind.
Did Diddy do it?
And what did he do?
What didn't Diddy do?
Did Diddy do anything at all?
I couldn't resist, it had to be done, and props to South Park for making up that joke a long time ago.
But in all seriousness, Diddy may be like Epstein 2.0!
So we'll talk about that, and there's a bunch of ancillary subjects related to trafficking and global affairs that we'll get into.
We got a whole big group.
Ian, you wanna introduce yourself first?
ian carroll
Yeah, I'm Ian.
Ian Carroll on Twitter.
Cancel This Clothing Company is where I started on TikTok.
And I started in money, and I started in, like, the markets, and now here we are.
unidentified
Sweet.
Talking about Diddy.
ian carroll
In Diddy.
Yeah, I got pretty deep into the Diddy reporting for a little while, and Candace picked it up, and I was drawing connections to Michael Jackson and stuff.
I mean, there's a lot in that lawsuit, so.
unidentified
Wow.
ian carroll
Yeah, there's a lot in there.
tim pool
Phil's hanging out.
philip labonte
Hey, what's up, everybody?
My name's Phil Labonte.
I'm the singer from All That Remains.
What's going on?
What's good?
shane cashman
It's good to see you.
How you doing?
Shane Cashman, writer for Scanner.
Got a book coming out with Tim Cass about the year of the pariah.
Bunch of different stories I've written, and I'm wearing my Ye 24 shirt because Ye predicted or said about a year ago that Diddy was a fed.
Everyone laughed, but here we are.
unidentified
A fed?
tim pool
So if he's a fed, this is part of something bigger than just some dude ripping off artists and stuff like that.
shane cashman
I think there's a lot of interesting connections I'm sure Ian can get into between Epstein and Diddy.
ian carroll
I mean, let's be real.
Diddy's probably really good at wiring up whole mansions with secret cameras.
shane cashman
Exactly.
ian carroll
That's just like average rapper stuff.
shane cashman
Right.
Which is an MO that people in government have been doing for decades.
tim pool
We got Cal and President Buttons.
unidentified
Yep, that's right.
I'm in the corner, President Buttons.
Let's get started, guys.
tim pool
Okay, so was Diddy a fed?
ian carroll
I mean, it's a good question, right?
I think the main question is, what do you define as a Fed?
I think a lot of people think of Feds and CIA agents as like, I have an ID card and I did a job application and I am their employee.
But that's not how intelligence agencies work, right?
Intelligence agencies cultivate relationships, like the whole point of covert operations is plausible deniability.
tim pool
I think to answer this question, we have to go back in time to the 90s when crack was everywhere.
Wasn't the CIA doing that?
Is that what it was?
philip labonte
That's the rumor.
That's I don't think that there's been a I don't know what the what has that been actually confirmed or what has been with the story close to confirm.
Yeah, the story is that the CIA was selling drugs in the United States in order to fund arms purchases for, I think it was Nicaragua?
ian carroll
Yeah, the Nicaraguan Contras.
unidentified
That's where you get Ricky Ross freeway.
tim pool
There's a Wikipedia on this, CIA involvement in Contra cocaine trafficking.
unidentified
- Yeah, that's the exposed one. - Number of writers have alleged it.
tim pool
Yeah, and then they basically people then said the crack epidemic that was sweeping across the country was basically because of the CIA.
philip labonte
So, you know. - I think that, I personally think that's a stretch because like, honestly, like drugs have no problem getting around through populations Like people have been doing drugs forever.
So the idea that it's the CIA's fault that that drugs got into the into the system, I think is a bit of a stretch.
But I do think that I don't think I mean, it's not a stretch as to whether or not the CIA takes advantage of situations.
shane cashman
They see something popping off and they're like, well, how can we?
tim pool
interject ourselves which they do and the feds do could we just use this as cover exactly it's an easy cover and then to ian you're talking about uh what how you define a fed in my opinion i think diddy's someone who's been absorbed by the feds but that's that that's what all of it is and that's why i brought this up because it's not like the street dealers were feds yeah right but if if this was trickling through it becomes part of a bigger component obviously if diddy was involved in any kind of action he doesn't need to work for the fbi he doesn't need to work for the cia he needs
it could even be like a third degree where it's like a contractor for the cia approaches a A big financier who then goes to Diddy and says, do these things for me.
But I want to point one thing out real quick.
When we pulled up the Contra cocaine trafficking story, Gary Webb was a big reporter on that.
And of course, Webb was found dead in his Carmichael home on December 10th, 2004, with two gunshot wounds to the head.
His death was ruled a suicide.
ian carroll
Two gunshot wounds to the head.
philip labonte
That's my favorite move.
Two gunshot wounds.
ian carroll
Rip Gary.
shane cashman
That's how they do the signature.
philip labonte
The first one didn't work and he killed himself.
ian carroll
That's how you know it was suicide.
tim pool
Oh, to be fair, uh, to the head could mean jaw.
I don't know.
philip labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
So it's like, you know, it's kind of brutal to start the show with, but in the event that someone, a lot of people flinch or whatever, or they tilt their heads back and then they shoot themselves and doesn't do anything.
And some people survive gunshot wounds to the head.
That being said, it is not a good sentence.
No one is going to believe you when you're like, two gunshot wounds to the head, uh, who's that?
ian carroll
Especially when you take the rest of his story into account and like all the reporting he was doing.
philip labonte
I mean, ever since, ever since the stuff that, ever since it came out that the CIA actually had done stuff to the population, like the, what was it, Operation Northwoods or whatever.
Like, yeah, whatever the extent they were actually they were actually like doing stuff, whether you think that it was like real big, big time operation with a lot of people involved or whether it was like small time kind of thing.
The fact that those stories are have have at least a kernel truth and are spread through the population.
shane cashman
Right.
philip labonte
And then you top it off with with.
The whole COVID narrative and all the stuff that's happened in the past couple of years, people are going to be like, look, this is how I see it.
And these things make sense to me.
So this is what I believe.
shane cashman
It's always, it's always why I would defend someone like Alex Jones, when he would talk about things that sound insane to people.
I would point to something like Northwoods for those who don't know Northwoods is the joint chiefs of staff going to Kennedy saying, we have a plan to start a war by creating false flags, taking care, like taking out our own people.
Just because I know that someone watching this is going to be like, I tried telling my dad and he doesn't believe it.
He said, you're crazy.
It's made up.
Here you go.
Wikipedia, Operation Northwoods.
What was it?
tim pool
and power conceived of. - Exactly, you can't not look at anything else. - Just because I know that someone watching this is gonna be like, "I tried telling my dad, "and he doesn't piece it, you're crazy, it's made up.
"Here you go, Wikipedia, Operation Northwoods." What was it? - It made it to Wikipedia. - Lemnitzer was the general in charge JFK fired him.
shane cashman
And then the rumors are Lemnitzer got involved, I believe with NATO, which then did false flags in supposedly Italy during the years of lead, which were really bad false flags from the left and the right on each other, which then you can connect to Operation Gladio.
philip labonte
I'm going to be super annoying today.
shane cashman
Let's do it.
philip labonte
I'm going to be super annoying today.
We have to remember that Wikipedia is run by communists now, so Wikipedia is also not to be trusted.
shane cashman
Definitely not trusted.
Look up the actual documents from Northwoods, which are out there and declassified.
ian carroll
You have to read through their bias.
And when you're researching counter to Wikipedia's bias and something has still made it there, that's why you're pulling it up, right?
tim pool
It's like, oh, this is Operation Northwoods.
This is from 1962.
ian carroll
Government didn't censor that.
tim pool
Let's start from the beginning, and I will avoid saying it.
Instead, I'll say, what is Sean Combs accused of doing?
ian carroll
It's a good question.
The lawsuit itself basically just alleges that Sean Combs, the lawsuit says dating back to the 90s, specifically to the party where J-Lo was involved with the shooting is like as far back as his knowledge goes, that he has been running a sexual blackmail scheme that is promoting artists based that he has been running a sexual blackmail scheme that is promoting artists based upon them doing sexual favors, them attending these parties, just kind of tits for tats, that he has whole mansions wired up with cameras where
But the lawsuit also names Lucien Grange, the CEO of Universal Music Group.
It also names like Haberdashian, whatever, how you say her name and a couple of the music labels, like it names the whole group.
And Lucien Grange is a critical like outward connecting point.
And it says that Lucien Grange was attending these parties and funding these parties where it was apparently open knowledge that there was underage girls, They were spiking drinks.
It talks about how they spiked the drinks and how they had bottles for men and bottles for women.
And all the bottles for women were spiked.
And that was common knowledge.
All the bottles for men were regular.
And it talked about how they would do that with champagne.
They would, but then they would also do it with like mixed drinks where they would spike all the juices and not all the alcohols.
These parties were funded by the alcohol company and the music labels.
unidentified
Whoa.
ian carroll
Yeah.
It's wild.
But then So the Michael Jackson connection, that's trippy, is that his head of security, Fahim Muhammad, is named in the lawsuit.
He's not named as one of the co-conspirators, but his picture is in the lawsuit.
His name is in the lawsuit.
It talks about him.
He's their fixer.
Fahim Muhammad was Michael Jackson's head of security when Michael Jackson died.
He was like 24 at the time, 22 at the time or something.
He was one year out of college when Michael Jackson died, and he was Michael Jackson's head of security.
He had a business and marketing degree from some college.
Then one year later, he's the head of security for the King of Pop, who dies, and then immediately gets Rewarded by going and being Diddy's head of security when you're the head of security for a blackmail ring Where there's like drugs everywhere underage girls drink like the job of being head of security for that is to know where all those things Are right and we should say like with Michael Jackson that his doctor killed him supposedly did two years supposedly, right?
shane cashman
Did two years.
Did two years.
He was killed with propofol.
They call that the milk of the opiates.
unidentified
Yep.
shane cashman
And yeah, that connection is bizarre.
tim pool
We have just jumped over the mountain on this.
Like, whoa, Michael Jackson was killed.
What's going on?
shane cashman
His doctor was administering propofol, I believe to help with pain and or sleep and gave him too much.
ian carroll
Well, that's the, no one was there when he, when he died.
Like allegedly he overdosed himself or something like that.
We don't really know.
All we know is that the doctor was theoretically first on the scene.
And then Fahim Muhammad, Diddy's head of security, was second on the scene.
shane cashman
I don't think anything happened to security.
ian carroll
No, Fahim Muhammad got rewarded, as you say.
And then suddenly he's in charge of Diddy's blackmail ring and so in the lawsuit to get back to the lawsuit Fahim Muhammad is in charge of all the logistics and he's the fixer it talks about a shooting that happened in a bathroom a while back where like the cops came and they saw the bathroom that was full of blood and Diddy just told everyone say it was a drive-by out on the street just like And Fahim will make it all go away.
Like they had specific instructions that everyone that worked for Diddy, because he made them all carry drugs for him so he could just get high at any moment anywhere he is, like including the maids and stuff.
They all have little baggies of drugs.
unidentified
What?
ian carroll
Yeah, that's directly alleged.
And they have pictures of the drugs.
They like, it's a wild.
shane cashman
That's like a common thing.
A lot of rappers do talk about having like a bag carry.
Yeah.
ian carroll
And they say that if you ever even get pulled over.
tim pool
So they don't go to jail?
shane cashman
So the rappers and artists don't go to jail, yeah.
ian carroll
Exactly.
But in this case, the rapper doesn't go to jail because everyone else is holding the drugs, but then he says, if you ever get pulled over or anything happens, you call Faheem, and Faheem will make you go away.
So Faheem allegedly has like contacts with feds or with whatever.
My speculation is that Faheem is sort of a part of the outbranching to whatever contacts he has, which is probably not like, like when we say, is he a fed?
We're not saying, is the whole FBI?
shane cashman
Right.
ian carroll
And on this scheme, what we're saying is, like, are there factions within law enforcement agencies of some form that have, like, started running the side gig?
shane cashman
Yeah.
ian carroll
Because, I mean, the whole point of the FBI, CIA, is that they're all compartmentalized.
So, like, that's the whole point of running covert offices.
This one, no one knows.
That one, no one knows.
tim pool
What if this is how all of mainstream celebrity operated up until the advent of the Internet?
Everybody on TV, they had something on you because, and not the entire time, but like definitely following the Beatles.
John Lennon and Yoko Ono are like, we opposed the Vietnam War, now we're gonna use our massive public influence to get a whole generation of young people to oppose the machine.
They had to have been like, okay, we can never let this happen again.
We must own all influential people.
And then you have not just Epstein, but now we're getting the ditty stuff.
And this guy Fahim, it sounds like this is just one department.
ian carroll
That's what I would think.
tim pool
He's a middle manager, it sounds like.
ian carroll
That's what I would think.
tim pool
Oh, bad thing happened.
Call Fahim and then he calls his boss and says, yeah, here's what happened.
They're like, okay.
And so he's not even the one taking care of it.
The machine is taking care of it.
ian carroll
Well, we should talk for a little bit about Clive Davis and we should jump up the chain one rung because when Diddy came to prominence, like Tupac and Biggie are getting killed.
It's 1992, 1994 era.
And Diddy's just a dude.
He's like 21 years old.
He's a, what is he?
He's an intern at a record.
shane cashman
A&R.
ian carroll
Yeah.
And then he climbs the ladder a little bit on his own to an A&R.
And then he founds Bad Boy Records at 24.
With, I mean, basically with the money that Clive Davis gave him.
Clive Davis is like this big shot.
He's controlled like huge swaths of the music industry for ages.
People like Janis Joplin, I think the Grateful Dead, like big names all the way back.
And Clive Davis sees this young dude that's ready to party, ready to do whatever, be a total thug.
and there's a lot of allegations about diddy and you know so clive davis sees this young dude that's ready to party ready to do whatever be a total thug and he's like this 24 year old dude is the perfect dude to represent my new record label bad boy records they found that and then like the allegations in the lawsuit don't really go back to the all the way to the founding of bad boy but they go back real far and so the question is like what Was Bad Boy founded on this ethos from the start?
Have they been doing this from the very start?
tim pool
I think so.
ian carroll
I think so.
tim pool
I mean, you take a look, you listen to Public Enemy.
I'm not a big fan of a lot of the stuff they wrote.
Like they have a line in, it's funny, I'm playing Tony Hawk 2 and I'm like 15 years old and I'm just rocking on to bring the noise.
And then I hear Chucky D go, Farrakhan's a prophet that I think you ought to listen to.
What he can say to you?
And I'm just like, yeah, whatever that means.
And then my dad's like, my dad was like, that guy is not a good person.
I was like, I don't know, I'm just playing a skateboarding video game, but it is fascinating that you can take a look at early rap and the ideas and the messaging, but not even rap.
Take a look at music.
There's a meme where someone said they took rock from us because rock used to convey meaning, and now what is music today?
They have stripped it of meaning.
ian carroll
Well, it means do drugs, be a hoe, party incessantly, be a criminal.
tim pool
Or be a satanist, bang the devil.
Dad, what's that song by Sam Smith where the father is leaving the house to go to gay sex clubs?
ian carroll
Unholy.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
shane cashman
Missed that one.
ian carroll
Viral on TikTok.
tim pool
And now we'll just think about, like, what were the Beatles writing about?
I mean, they're like the pop band of pop bands.
philip labonte
Sometimes they were writing about communism for a minute there, but then John Lennon renounced some of the communist stuff that he did.
unidentified
Sure.
shane cashman
They spoke out against him in the song.
philip labonte
Yeah, because they realized what Mao was doing.
He specified Mao in a song.
He's like, hey, that ain't the way.
tim pool
Revolution.
You say you want a revolution, everybody wants to change the world, but if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you're not going to make it with anybody anyhow.
shane cashman
That's right.
tim pool
Messages!
And then it slowly started to devolve.
And now we're in this world where I turn on, I'm driving in my car, I had Tesla, and it's got like the top hits.
And I put on the 90s and there's like, when I play the 90s alternative station, a lot of these songs are about like angst and like crisis.
And just there's some meaning, not all of it, don't get me wrong.
But I mean, even look at Creed, because Creed's had this resurgence with arms wide open.
It's not about having a son.
Can you take me higher?
Then I turn on Top Hits, and the song's like, tits in ass, tits in ass, doin' weed, doin' weed.
And I'm like, wow.
unidentified
Click that, make a song, everyone.
philip labonte
I wrote a record called The Fall of Ideals in 2006, and that was what it was speaking to.
The idealistic things that people aspire to.
People stop aspiring to things.
And I think that goes hand in hand with the fact that people don't look for beautiful things or they reject beauty or the idea that even having beauty standards is bad.
It's like even saying that this is beautiful and that's not beautiful is a negative thing.
You don't want to do that.
And I think that's bad.
And having aspirational goals, the society's become so cynical.
unidentified
Yes.
philip labonte
That it's like, if you have aspirations, people look at you like you're a weirdo.
Like if you're willing to put some effort into something and really try, there's so many people that are just crabs in a bucket ready to pull you down.
And I think that that speaks to like the way that people kind of feel nihilistic nowadays.
shane cashman
I think they've been promoting nihilism and the destruction of beauty and legacy for years.
And then to briefly try to put context to two things we've been talking about, Like blackmail or counterculture music being subverted by the government.
Look at Hoover, Jagger Hoover.
Blackmailed supposedly by the mafia.
Meyer Lansky supposedly had photos of him.
Cross-dressing, he had a lot of supposed homosexual affairs with people that people saw in blue rooms.
ian carroll
I mean the original one was him and his assistant Clyde Tolson.
unidentified
Right.
ian carroll
And then that's what got him to go do the rest of that shit, right?
shane cashman
The blue room, right, which when you talk about Diddy's wiretap rooms, that's just a newer version of the blue room that Hoover was going to, right?
And then in terms of counterculture and rock music and pop culture being subverted, Weird Scenes from Laurel Canyon, we were talking about before, is a great book that talks about how in Laurel Canyon, it seems like the CIA subverted the counterculture anti-war movement, saying we got to change all this and we're going to inject our own people into it, and or subvert it by giving them drugs and whatnot.
tim pool
And you have the burning of Notre Dame.
shane cashman
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
I mean, I was thinking about that because that's wild.
philip labonte
The burning of Notre Dame, the fire that happened.
shane cashman
The arson that they don't want to say is arson.
tim pool
And all the churches that were burned in Canada and Europe and things like that.
So I know that's pretty much outside of most of what we're talking about, but that's what I think about when you're talking about the death of beauty.
It does seem like there's an assault on our cultural traditions.
And many of these are greatly rooted in tying us to our past, to our ancestors.
And it's literally being burned down.
shane cashman
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then so, so back to, to, I got to call him Puff Daddy.
I grew up in the nineties.
He was Puffy or Puff Daddy.
Um, so when was he on your radar?
Like this, like this idea of Diddy as this person.
ian carroll
Dude, it just came on my radar when the lawsuit dropped.
I wasn't even in this.
I was reporting on BlackRock and other stuff.
And then suddenly the lawsuit dropped, and I had gotten deep into the Epstein documents and read through that and done a whole bunch of stuff on Twitter with Epstein documents.
And so when this lawsuit dropped, I felt primed, and I was like, get me into this lawsuit right away.
And then that just blew up, and Candace picked it up.
I don't know.
Just kind of went from there.
shane cashman
It's funny that, you know, I said earlier about Ye calling him a fed and that was a kind of a joke to people.
They had a very public falling out.
Yeah.
During like the White Lives Matter shirt situation and everything that was going on at that time, but when he was here and around that time and Diddy said, I want to meet you in public and stuff and just started blowing up.
Ye did an interview on Drink Champs, which is where he said a lot of things about Diddy being a fed, Meek Mill, stuff like that.
They took that interview down immediately.
It was one of the greater interviews ever done, and it's still on there somewhere.
But who runs Drink Champs?
Revolt TV.
Who owns Revolt TV?
Puff Daddy.
All these things, it's interesting how they try to control the narrative.
ian carroll
This guy, Ye, like him or hate him, he's always saying things that, in my opinion, He's such a critical piece of this because like the Harley Pasternak text message that he put out, like he's such a critical sort of middle piece between like it feels like he might have climbed up by playing ball.
shane cashman
Yeah.
ian carroll
But then he certainly didn't play ball at some point.
But then he might be playing ball again.
And like, oh, yeah, I have whole problems with him now.
shane cashman
But leading up to that whole moment with the top with the Puffy Addy stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
He was calling out everything.
And he's talking about MKUltra.
He's saying they literally took my kids away.
They tried.
They literally put him in a mental asylum.
Yeah.
Gave him drugs, things he was speaking out about, which you could connect to MKUltra, to the Laurel Canyon thing I'm talking about, to blackmail stuff.
And then it all blew up.
And then he disappeared.
And Diddy seemed to, you know, get off with it.
tim pool
There was this.
shane cashman
Figuratively and literally.
tim pool
There was this viral thing that happened like 12 or 14 years ago.
Maybe actually 16 years ago.
Someone found a Facebook page, and it was this woman with very few friends, and she was posting these big, long-winded, seemingly nonsensical posts.
It was like, it just looked like some middle-aged woman, and there'd be a post where she said, Today the oatmeal spoon flew over the car, the car was driving at a high rate of speed, the speed was 75 miles an hour, and then I saw the man who was yelling at me about my grocery bag, and just thousands and thousands of these posts.
And there were a few conspiracy theories.
One, it's a crazy lady sitting in her house, locked away, just spamming.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Someone apparently claimed that she had worked intelligence for, as a contractor.
I think someone found like a, they looked up her name and they found someone who had a similar name who was working in intelligence.
And then the conspiracy theory became that she's posting these crazy things because She's actually working for intelligence and this is code where you have to like shift up a letter and look in a book to figure out how you find what it actually means and then run it through a program that translates it into the and what she's really doing is conveying intelligence from like a dead drop message like a dead drop message.
And then my favorite conspiracy theory was that she was retired from the intelligence agencies, threatened to go public, so they injected her with something to make her insane.
And then she's desperately trying to tell people, but her brain's been scrambled, so she's spamming nonsense on Facebook.
ian carroll
At this point, I wouldn't put any of that into question.
shane cashman
It's all possible, right?
And when you're looking at this stuff, like the Diddy case and all the things you're talking about, BlackRock, you have to kind of remain skeptical of your skepticism.
unidentified
100%.
ian carroll
Because you're seeing, like, Well, now BlackRock is... No, that's just kind of what I cover a lot of, is probably why you're saying that, right?
unidentified
Right, right.
shane cashman
Well, I'm just saying, looking at the network that they create, right?
ian carroll
And a conspiracy where you can be like, we know this for sure.
But really, you've got to operate in percentages of certainty.
It's like, this is likely, that's unlikely, we don't...
shane cashman
It's when you're looking at any of these giant operations that have been going on, you have to, and it's kind of becomes easy to connect it to anything, right?
Like what we were saying with Northwoods, anything happens in the world.
Now in the news, I have a skepticism bias where I'm immediately, my gut reaction is it's gotta be skepticism, you know, of the situation, but it's not always that.
Right.
But, uh, but with, with Diddy and Epstein, they're very similar.
ian carroll
They actually are connected to the CIA.
I mean, it's like the CIA actually is doing everything in the world.
tim pool
Now we're talking.
We can just take this all the way to 11 and just say, uh, and the CIA is working for aliens and the aliens.
ian carroll
Dude.
Yeah.
This is the real question mark though is like every conspiracy theory out there.
They're like, there's a wall between them and the alien conspiracy theories.
Yeah.
shane cashman
But the problem is, which aliens?
unidentified
Right?
shane cashman
Is it the greys?
ian carroll
Bro!
shane cashman
The tall ones?
The small ones?
tim pool
Have you watched the show Resident Alien?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
That show is so good.
unidentified
Is it?
tim pool
Alan Tudyk plays an alien that comes to Earth and he's trying to wipe out all humanity, but then he ends up liking pizza too much.
There's a scene where he's like, I will destroy the planet, but then there will be no pizza.
I know, I'll buy pizza first.
And I'm oversimplifying the show, but then there's other aliens on it and the greys are trying to destroy the Earth.
shane cashman
Funny.
ian carroll
I mean, I did spend the plane ride over here reading a declassified government document from like 2016 that was all about their advanced aerial vehicles recovery programs and their medical programs to deal with human injuries related to interaction with advanced aerial vehicles.
And then the way they're trying to reverse engineer what the wording they used was like trans space time dimensional technologies.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Are you talking about the guys who like got close to some type of UFO and then they were Thrown back and no, I don't know.
ian carroll
It was a, it was a government program that was called blue.
Uh, I would have to look at the blue beam.
No, no, no, not blue beam.
Blue beam is a whole other rabbit.
shane cashman
New York times is reporting on off world vehicles.
Not what did they say?
Off world vehicles, not of this earth or something was the phrasing.
ian carroll
They keep changing their phrasing and weird.
tim pool
I want to say this show embodies ADHD very well.
And it's my fault.
shane cashman
From Epstein, Diddy and aliens.
But in my mind that makes perfect sense.
Honestly, But I might also have ADHD.
ian carroll
The real question is, if true, how does it interact?
And if not, it's just such an interesting question.
And that's why every time I hear Alex Jones speak, because he's so far out in so many directions, I always want someone to just ask him, so Alex, what's the alien connection to that one?
Because he would just go off.
tim pool
Oh, I mean, he's told us though.
It's not aliens, it's interdimensional beings.
And so, that actually makes more sense in my opinion.
Based on the science, the amount of energy to travel from here to there, 100,000 light years, folding space time and traveling between dimensions makes more sense.
ian carroll
Way more sense.
tim pool
So I think Alex believes that interdimensional beings are influencing people, but we call them angels and demons or something.
ian carroll
Yeah.
shane cashman
Yeah.
unidentified
There you go.
shane cashman
Interdimensional beings and psychic vampires.
ian carroll
And Hillary is really close with some of them.
Well, I think would be the assumption there.
philip labonte
So when he says psychic vampires, if he's just talking about people that like drain the life out of you, that you're just like exhausted.
shane cashman
Yeah, not like they have fangs, although he might believe in those.
I think he means...
philip labonte
I feel like he walks the line like you can believe that he believes in fangs or you can not believe that he believes in fangs and he would probably edify both positions if you were in front of him.
shane cashman
I asked him directly for the story in the book I have coming out and he still doesn't really give me the best answer because he does walk that line.
I think like myself, I think there are demons that walk amongst us and maybe you might call them demons, you might call them monsters or just people doing bad things but Psychic vampires, in my mind, for the most part, from his perspective, is people in power who are draining, like, the innocence out of you.
tim pool
You know, it's wild that I see all these liberal, secular people saying, like, we live in a simulation.
I watched some show on it.
I think it was on Netflix or something.
Like, did you know that we live in a simulation?
Like, breaking it down.
Bunch of clips on Instagram.
And I'm like, it's just religion 101 for people who are not religious.
Like, trying to entertain the idea that someone created everything we're in.
But that, uh, the ultimate point is with, you know, Alex Jones saying things like interdimensional beings are trying to influence people, then we have the idea of angels and demons, the influence of, you know, evil and good.
It, yeah, maybe it's not so complicated as to say aliens, interdimensional beings, angels, demons.
It's, there are, there are forces beyond our comprehension trying to influence us for good or bad, and it may be And this is a big leap.
We know that there are bad people in government who are doing really messed up things because we have a journalist who shot himself twice in the head and it was a suicide.
You've got Epstein, which, yep, all that was true.
Alex was right about that.
ian carroll
Real story.
tim pool
And then there's this like spiritual or kind of like big leap component of, is there something beyond our comprehension that actually is playing a direct role that powerful people actually commune with in some way?
shane cashman
I think so.
ian carroll
I mean, those are basically the allegations.
And if you look at the whole disclosure aspect with like David Grush, that whole disclosure thing is like, I mean, take believe how much of it like, you know, percentage is a certainty.
But the allegation is that, like, we've had contact in a big way.
We have recovered crafts and reverse engineering things, and we need disclosure.
And at first, there wasn't even disclosure within the government.
Even the people that should be briefed aren't briefed.
Why not?
And then the government's answer was basically like, well, we were going to brief, but y'all can't handle the truth.
It's sort of how it sounds, right?
shane cashman
Their lack of transparency is why it makes a lot of people leap to these perceptions of aliens and control.
You name whatever silo of evil you believe is behind all of this, you know?
tim pool
What if evil is just an oversimplification, right?
The analogy I use being the chicken coop we have outside.
I don't care which chicken is in charge.
There's a packing order, there's a top girl, there's a top guy.
I don't care who is who.
ian carroll
That's a really good analogy actually.
tim pool
They right now, they care, they fight, they do their thing where they like stretch their necks out and wiggle at each other, and then we just stand and like literally don't care.
If there's a rooster that's causing problems, he's food.
ian carroll
I'm just trying to eat.
shane cashman
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, we don't care about chicken politics.
And so, you know, to remove the, I guess, more, I don't know, imaginary component, aliens, interdimensional beings, I don't even think that the CIA, the intelligence agencies, and the people controlling Diddy care about who the president is and what we do.
ian carroll
Well, as long as it serves their interest, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian carroll
Like, as in, like, the CIA has a lot, like, basically CIA is professional government overthrowers.
Like, that's their history since their founding, is go overthrow all those governments and install dictatorships that will be pro-America so that communism doesn't spread.
And then they just couldn't fucking stop.
shane cashman
Gladio.
ian carroll
They just love it.
It's just so good.
We just have to overthrow more governments, please.
And so, like, You're right.
They don't care who's who, but to them, it's more like which moves are being made and who's going to align with which interests.
It's like, if it's that guy, that guy, whatever.
tim pool
It's kind of wild.
You create this agency whose role is to operate in secret and overthrow governments.
It's like creating a virus.
ian carroll
What could possibly go wrong?
tim pool
Being surprised when it infects you.
So then you set this thing loose.
There's no stopping it.
ian carroll
I mean, let's be clear, they've never overthrown the American government.
They've never done any operations towards us, so we're good.
shane cashman
Totally safe.
ian carroll
I just want to be clear on that.
shane cashman
They wouldn't do that to us.
ian carroll
The CIA has never had any involvement in any of the American presence.
shane cashman
Northwoods was for your protection.
ian carroll
Getting hit in the head by things or anything like that.
tim pool
JFK, actually, there wasn't even a shooter at all.
ian carroll
There really wasn't.
tim pool
His head spontaneously exploded.
ian carroll
It was actually an alien with alien brain rays.
shane cashman
Man, and to tie all that back to Hoover, I mean, yeah, so Meyer Lansky's having cross-dressing photos of him being passed around, you know, the mob supposedly running things behind the scene.
They're allowed to grow without Hoover really giving him any reprimands, and he's in charge during the assassination of JFK.
The story is that he knew something might have happened and looked the other way.
You can make bells go off in people's minds.
A lot of other things that have happened in this country that are like terrorist activity.
ian carroll
I mean, if anyone doesn't, everyone should know, like audience out there, you should know that J. Edgar Hoover founded the FBI and was in charge of it for over 50 years.
50 years.
That's crazy.
And basically the whole time he was blackmailed by the mob and the mafia.
So the whole, and that's like the time, like when you think about like Tommy guns and the mafia and like, Hey, just do it for like that whole time period, the mafia grew so much, the mob grew so much because they had the FBI captured.
shane cashman
And he was blackmailing people himself.
ian carroll
Bingo.
And he was basically a mob operation.
shane cashman
Exactly.
tim pool
This is why, you know, I was having this conversation with Michael Malice about private police forces.
And I was saying, I don't agree.
I don't like the idea of private police forces.
He said it would operate like the mafia.
And when the mafia had territorial disputes, they got together and they talked about it.
The problem is what we're seeing right now in government is the mafia with no contest. 100%.
So they get rid of whoever... There's no justice when you're under mob rule.
And that's literally what's going on right now with the... It's... Everything we're seeing with them going after Trump, what we saw with Epstein, what we see with Diddy, appears to be there was only one mafia left and now they're unchecked.
ian carroll
Well, I would contend this is just my opinion, but I would contend that the CIA has been very close with the military industrial complex for a long time.
And at certain point, those interests are indistinguishable.
Them and the banking, like all of those things, they were kind of all.
And and I would I would contend that at this point, our government has like Biden is seems to be doing exactly what they would want him to do.
And it like it looks very much like we are being Led by the military industrial complex.
philip labonte
It's pretty clear that the that Joe Biden is not the actual guy running, you know, running the show calling the shots whether people think that like, you know, President Obama is, you know, making phone calls and saying this is what we should do through his surrogates and stuff or whether it's just the machine running itself because the Democrat Party generally knows where what the policy, you know, the policy positions it's looking for whether that be foreign policy or or
Domestic policy, and so it can run on automatic autopilot for the most part.
Whichever one you want to choose, they're equally as likely, I think.
tim pool
I would be more at ease if we found out that, in fact, Joe Biden was not the president and aliens are actually running things.
Because then there's at least some kind of intelligent entity that's in control.
That's kind of comforting despite terrifying.
Right now, If it is true that Joe Biden is the president, they follow this guy's orders?
philip labonte
I don't believe that.
ian carroll
Oh, there's not a chance.
tim pool
Imagine being in an F1 race or whatever.
Or I shouldn't say F1 because you've got passengers.
Let's say you're in NASCAR, stock car racing or whatever.
And Joe Biden's the driver and his eyes are half closed and he's like, and you're a passenger.
That is not a fun thing to be on.
Then you find out, no, no, no, no, the car's on a track.
It can't move.
ian carroll
Oh.
philip labonte
If he's the president, he's only, if he's the president at all, he's only the president from like six, seven in the morning until noon.
And then that's it.
Then they don't take any.
tim pool
That's generous.
I would have said, and I did say this, like last year, I thought, no, I think he's the president.
And I think the Afghanistan withdrawal and all these catastrophes are because he's a muttering moron who can't function properly anymore, and so there's no central leadership.
There's just, there's like semi-autonomy among his commanders and lieutenants, figuratively and literally.
ian carroll
Well, exactly.
tim pool
But, now, after seeing that video of him say Israel should not attack Israel, and his eyes are half-closed and he's doing Cornholio, It's the Cornholio hands that... because apparently the Cornholio thing is like a... A symptom?
Yeah, when people are demented.
I don't mean like an insult, I mean literally suffering dementia.
They Cornholio and they walk around like... And his eyes can't open and he's like, Israel shouldn't attack Israel.
philip labonte
There was the Israel shouldn't attack Israel which happened this past weekend, correct?
It's good advice though, I mean.
That is good advice.
There was the...
ian carroll
There was the Mexican border, right?
philip labonte
He mixed up Rafa and Haifa.
tim pool
That was it.
philip labonte
That was the same one.
tim pool
That was the Israel.
He said, he said Israel should stay out of Haifa.
ian carroll
Yeah.
philip labonte
Haifa or whatever.
unidentified
Yeah.
philip labonte
And so he mixed up the town.
tim pool
But it's like, is he saying they should abandon the city?
philip labonte
He also said something that I would personally endorse, which was that we're not going to lose our freedom in place of democracy or something like that.
He put freedom over democracy.
Yes, we should put freedom over democracy.
That's the point of a republic.
ian carroll
Yeah, but he didn't mean to say that.
philip labonte
No, he didn't mean to say that.
That's another thing that sucks from my position.
He says something I like and he's like, oh, you know.
tim pool
What was that other gaffe he had about the truth?
You remember this one?
Truth over facts.
philip labonte
Truth over facts!
Yeah, truth over facts!
You know, so I mean, look.
tim pool
And what I love is when he says, are you ready to like fight for freedom over democracy?
Everyone starts clapping and cheering.
And I'm like, I don't understand what they're clapping for.
ian carroll
Yeah, what's going on?
shane cashman
I think he's a metaphor for the country.
You know, like he speaks to the problems of the whole audience and the world at large.
philip labonte
It is a metaphor for, it probably is a metaphor for boomers staying in control as long as they have to.
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian carroll
And people pushing around that influence and taking the vacuum that's left of that, like, lack of cohesion.
philip labonte
I'm going to blame the millennials, too.
Gen X just kind of stayed out of it.
tim pool
I want to give a shout out to Dennis Kucinich.
We had him on TimCast IRL.
unidentified
He's 77.
tim pool
He ran up the stairs.
ian carroll
Yeah.
shane cashman
Yeah, he was sharp.
ian carroll
Yeah.
So, you know, there are some gems in the mix.
tim pool
We've had, uh, we have a lot of guests come on.
It's two flights of stairs from the green room up to the studio, which will, uh, will change.
The new studio is only one flight, but, uh, we've had people who are in their thirties who walk really slowly grabbing the rail and they're like out of shape.
And I'm like, wow, I always run up the stairs full.
So I, my legs are, I skateboard, right?
So when Dennis Kucinich comes in, he's 77, wearing a nice suit.
And I'm like, he's going to have to, you know, make it upstairs.
He skipped steps from the basement.
And I was like, he was, he was like lunging up the stairs.
And then I was like, after the show, I was like, I just want to mention you're 77.
You lunge up two flights of stairs.
He's like, Yeah.
And I was like, we have people in their thirties who struggle with with two flights of stairs.
And he's like, he's like, I'm in better shape than I've ever been.
I'm like, this guy, this guy's ready for action.
philip labonte
He looked good.
He was dressed not well.
He was dressed very well.
Looked dapper.
You know, he looked great.
ian carroll
Him for president.
shane cashman
Uh, so to your point about the military, military industrial complex, I think that obviously is absorbed into Hollywood.
There's no distinction between that.
Someone a long time ago in some books said there's no distinction between the mafia and the government.
So throw Hollywood in the corporate press in there as well.
And those are the things that are helping keep this appearance of Biden up, which is obviously deteriorating, but there's a lot of people in this country who still think they're going to vote for Biden and that he's in control.
But that makes me think of like FDR and the corporate press hiding his, his faulty legs.
philip labonte
So that was that that poll that MSNBC put out that we did talk a little bit about how Biden was was leading Trump and people were upset about it.
And I think it's that is real.
But I don't think pardon me.
I don't think that they're voting for Biden.
I think that they're voting against Republicans.
Because I think it's about abortion.
I think it's strongly about abortion.
Donald Trump doesn't give them a reason.
So they don't like Republicans, and Donald Trump doesn't bridge that gap for women. - There's a question of...
unidentified
I'm sorry, I would...
tim pool
There's a lot of people I would vote for before I would vote for Joe Biden.
It's insane.
Hillary Clinton, I mean, she's a psychotic monster.
But if it was the choice between the two of them, Joe Biden is zero.
He is zero.
You cannot vote for Joe Biden under any circumstances.
ian carroll
Actually, if you did just find someone, I would vote for Joe over Hillary.
tim pool
Let me restructure the hierarchy then.
ian carroll
What I mean to say is Joe Biden's brain doesn't function at all, and literally anyone as bad as they are, a functioning brain is less scary.
tim pool
- Fair point. - She's good at that. - So let me restructure the hierarchy then.
What I mean to say is, Joe Biden's brain doesn't function at all.
And literally anyone as bad as they are, a functioning brain is less scary.
That being said, I would take no functioning brain over evil Hillary Clinton.
philip labonte
That's fair point. - I think that's you, but I think that the people that were saying that they would not vote for Donald Trump, I think that they don't care about Joe Biden because they look at the situation now, They're not hurting enough.
This is going to get me in trouble.
There are not enough women getting punched in the face in New York to change their minds.
tim pool
Let me say this too, that was a good point, because now that I think about it, like, to analogize, being in a car with, like, which car would you rather be in?
Joe Biden falling asleep and you screaming, or Hillary Clinton intentionally running down pedestrians?
ian carroll
Exactly.
shane cashman
Like she did in Haiti.
ian carroll
Like all the crack that was coming in right we're talking about earlier like don't look into Mina, Arkansas And who was the governor of Arkansas and how the crack came in like yeah?
shane cashman
I've said on this on IRL before the Clintons single-handedly destroyed Haiti.
tim pool
Yeah, Bill did by the tariffs he did with with the rice To also point out to Phil next week We are literally going to be effectively debating how many women need to be punched in the face in New York for them to change their voting To change their voting pens.
And I'm not saying they need to be.
ian carroll
I'm gonna let you guys take that one.
tim pool
I'm saying like, have you guys ever watched Silicon Valley?
So there's the scene where, I don't know, I've only watched Show and Tidbits, but there's a viral scene where they start trying to figure out the math of how one of the dudes could jerk off an entire audience.
Because the one guy insults him and then he's like, you may as well just jerk off the audience.
How would he be able to do that?
It would take 40 minutes and they start doing the math and trying to figure out how it would be possible.
It's funny.
And then the question is, is there an equation of women times punched in the face equals vote for Trump or something?
You know what I mean?
How many face punches?
ian carroll
There totally is.
You're right.
Yeah.
There's an equation there.
tim pool
Yeah, there is, and we're going to have that conversation next week on The Culture War with some... Expand out of that, and it's just like, how many wars do you want to start?
shane cashman
I know what you're saying about the women voters and people voting against Trump for Biden, but then I'm looking at Biden.
I've got to put it in quotes.
It's like a husk of a human on TV shows.
philip labonte
They don't care about the person.
They think the system will take care of the system long enough to get past Biden and Donald Trump and Republicans will do all the things that Democrats say.
Donald Trump's going to get rid of the birth control pill.
He's going to do all the Like straight up believing the handmaidens.
shane cashman
Totally.
I see all that too.
But I also see so many people on, on, uh, the internet, which take it or leave it.
They champion Biden as being this like strong leader, you know, that look at him, look at him on, uh, Seth Meyers or on Colbert.
Well, a lot of them are paid to say that narrative building, but it's, but it's people, the audience too, you know, and like the comments and the way he's perceived they're creating like, cause it's part of the military industrial complex, this perception of him that he's, Uh, strong.
philip labonte
I don't, I don't, I don't disagree with you at all.
I don't have any kind of, like, I think I agree that people are doing that and stuff.
Um, I just think that those people are the ones that are kind of, you know, they're, they're narrative building and they're sending the message out to the people, to the women that are watching MSNBC that are like F Donald Trump.
Never, not at all.
shane cashman
They're just propaganda.
They're propaganda.
Kimmel, Seth Meyers, Colbert, obviously, all say the same thing.
They get the same speaking points.
philip labonte
I mean, the only people that step out of line is like Bill Maher.
And whether or not you're a fan of Bill Maher, whether you agree, this isn't really the point.
He is one of the people that are starting to stick their head up and say, hey, these are wrong.
Chris Cuomo.
And further left, I'm even fairly impressed with Brianna Woolley lately on Twitter.
She's been saying some really, really positive stuff.
tim pool
And getting attacked by communists.
ian carroll
These people need to get props.
philip labonte
Yeah, absolutely.
ian carroll
The best way for people to come to the middle and have real discussions as humans, not like necessarily change sides, but just like talk like adults, is to watch other people that they've idolized have that journey.
philip labonte
Exactly.
There needs to be someone that's inside these places, which is another reason why Anna Kasparian from the Young Turks is another one.
There are people inside Those communities that do believe the things that a lot of the people in the community believe and they agree with, but they're willing to stand up and say, hey, these things are actually bad, because right now the left has become such a an echo chamber.
- Right. - They're literally, like literally, when Anne Kasparian was freaking out, she was like, "Hey, they chopped a guy up, guys.
"You can't say that's okay.
tim pool
"You're gonna lose everything if you're like, "Well, it's okay that he chopped a guy up." - Didn't she also say she would have done the exact same thing as Kyle Rittenhouse? - I think she did. - I didn't see that.
philip labonte
Yes, once she actually looked at it.
But again, she had not watched the actual video.
She had been informed.
She was believing the things that she was told, and kudos to her for finally watching and changing her opinion again.
But it is not unreasonable to think that people that you're arguing with are not only misinformed, but they're intentionally informed of wrong information.
And because of the narrative building, that the right is always bad, and the right is always clowns, and the right are always evil, because of that narrative building, any stories or any perspective from the right is first disregarded.
And that was intentional by people that, the people that, whatever you want to... Actually, could I make, I would argue that it's first misrepresented, so that it is disregarded.
ian carroll
- Yes, 100%. - 'Cause first they have to misquote it, to clip it up, to take out the context, and then present it to the left.
'Cause why would the left, and this is like the same is true in the other direction, but it's like, why would you ever listen to the other side's arguments?
'Cause they're all crazy evil people.
philip labonte
So like, I'm just gonna let my guy, like Colbert, give it to me in a funny way that's way more digestible. - And all this stuff that we're talking about that we focus on, or I'm focusing on saying on the left right now, all this stuff used to be the right in the US.
It used to be the right that did this.
It used to be the right that ran the culture.
So it's not, it's not one side does it and the other doesn't.
It's who has control.
ian carroll
I think the military industrial complex realized that the collectivist party by nature, like leftists are naturally more like law and order collective, like, like regulate us, please.
Like that side is easier actually for them to achieve their means now.
Whereas it used to be the big money on the Republican side was like, Now the problem is Israel.
It's really interesting how like that's like an issue that like cuts around through both parties and suddenly like actually the base issue for like anyone's discussions is actually like kind of your stance on that if you let it be.
unidentified
Right.
ian carroll
Which is like really like that no one realized that.
shane cashman
Oh I love watching people say we should not fund war in Ukraine but then turn around and say we should fund Israel.
I'm like let's just focus on this collapsing country right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Because we're defunct.
ian carroll
And maybe like, at least have a little bit of continuity in your own opinions.
Like, just like, you know, whatever your opinion is, have your opinion.
Like, that's cool.
Respect.
But, but like, please at least make that make sense.
philip labonte
If you're going to, if you're going to make the, if you're going to make the, the geopolitical world order that we have now should be upheld argument, which is the argument that you're making for Israel and for, uh, for, for Ukraine, you probably should make them both and be consistent.
Like I get it if you're like, look, I don't think cause I, you know, I don't think the U S should be doing foreign policy or doing foreign aid and stuff.
shane cashman
I'm kind of, you don't want them funding both sides.
ian carroll
We kind of have some shit we need to deal with over here.
philip labonte
Like, And that's my opinion, and there are tons of arguments that people that want a more active foreign policy and believe the United States should be involved in shaping what other countries' policies are and doing everything we can to make sure that we get positive outcomes for the United States.
Um, they're going to make a different argument, but you can't like, I find it real hard to believe that you think we shouldn't give money to you, to Israel, but we should give money to Ukraine or vice versa.
shane cashman
There's no moral consistency.
philip labonte
No, it's all actually.
ian carroll
Can we this is a good place to tie back to what we started on in that a population that is constantly entertained and constantly filled with filth and degeneracy and sloth and like with base desires like that is a population that's so much easier to propagandize and to blackmail.
Like for example, if you fill the population at an early age with like rap and hoes and porn and just all this stuff, then when they grow up to be politicians, to be scientists, to be professors, you have this wide open space where it's like, oh, you have deep dark desires, we can blackmail.
You have greed, you have like this secret that we've already got on tape.
It's just so much more controllable of a landscape.
Plus the entertainment is a great distraction from anyone actually paying attention to politics or anyone actually learning about the financial system and how shit's really going on.
shane cashman
Meanwhile, they think they're the moral arbiters, but they've been planting the seeds of degeneracy the whole way.
Exactly.
It's so funny thinking of Diddy and then thinking of his whole problem with Ye in the beginning was the White Lives Matter shirt.
Diddy literally wore a shirt with the Clinton that said, Vote or Die.
Right?
No one had a problem with that.
That was on MTV, you know?
tim pool
And then South Park made fun of that too.
Where did he show up to people's houses?
ian carroll
South Park's really on it.
unidentified
I love South Park.
shane cashman
All the time.
But that's not a problem.
He can totally do that.
But it's because he's part of the narrative building.
He's totally accepted, you know?
And by that point in the, what was that?
The late 90s when that was happening?
Maybe early 2000s with the voter die stuff.
He was totally accepted and probably, obviously, in my opinion, absorbed into whatever he's been a part of.
ian carroll
You want to know who else is totally accepted that no one's talking about yet is Jay-Z.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
ian carroll
And Beyonce.
philip labonte
Yeah, that doesn't surprise me either.
ian carroll
I'm kind of almost like my vibe right now is like they really cut Diddy off and threw him out, right?
Like he was under protection for the longest time.
Shootings were going away, like the whole Cassie lawsuit, just like, yeah, but then suddenly they're throwing him out.
And it looks a lot to me like, don't look any further outside the rap industry.
Don't like, just take him and go.
Like don't connect him to the other, whatever else is going on.
And the moment, like Jay-Z and him have been tight for a very long time, doing a lot of the same stuff.
Except Jay-Z is way more tied to politics and way more tied to like Obama and to like Marina Abramovich and like all those other like Pizzagate-y things.
Yeah, the moment you go to Jay-Z and Beyonce, everything's wide open.
shane cashman
I totally agree.
ian carroll
Not to mention the executives above it.
shane cashman
It's just like with Epstein, when things were coming out, you know, the people want to talk about Dershowitz and stuff, totally fine, we should be talking about it, but a year ago, there were like four billionaires subpoenaed for their connections to Epstein.
No one's talking about them, and it's like the Disney guy, the Google co-founder, Big time.
- Those names aren't in like the- - Bill Gates.
- In the conversation at all, right?
Bill Gates is to a degree, but they kind of write him off and they kind of rewrote the history of Bill Gates and Epstein so they can make it seem like Epstein wasn't as involved in Microsoft as he probably was.
ian carroll
- And like he didn't meet him until a lot later in his life.
shane cashman
- Right, it makes no sense, but that's what they do.
I just keep thinking of, uh, one of the greater interviews from this year that happened was the beginning of the year, Cat Williams.
Uh, there's God's side and there's the other side and the Jay-Z stuff, in my opinion, uh, he didn't say this, but I was just me saying this and the Diddy stuff.
That's the other side, the Abramovich stuff, all that stuff, you know, and maybe it's coming to light and that's obviously great.
It's not the top of this tower.
ian carroll
I mean really what it's starting to look like is like Tim was saying earlier it feels like what we're getting is we're getting little like pools that are being exposed and like the fish of that pond gets thrown out right but like when you start to look up it's it looks more like a network that would have many more pools than that and I got on that train when I looked into um Epstein had a really close friend that was in the movie business, because Epstein was sort of more in the politics and celebrity.
He was sort of a big fish in everything.
But if you find this friend, I think her name was Patty.
She's an Oscar nominee, party host.
She's the woman that's famous for having the network of 38,000 famous people from all around the world, and she's the one that gets your movie nominated for the Oscar.
She's the one that organized Epstein's Hooray I'm Out of Prison party where Prince Andrew was invited to that Prince Andrew got in hot water for.
And then Stephanopoulos was at that same party and stuff.
She's that woman that's connected to everything.
And the moment that the Epstein thing broke, she got blacklisted hard.
Like went from being like the top dog, everyone wants to be at her parties.
Everyone wants her connection because she'll make your career to you're totally cut off.
And she was whining about how it's like, all the boys that were associated with them are still doing fine, but like me.
But really it looked like them saying, you're cut off.
No one's allowed to look into you because if they look into you like you're, she's the exact kind of person that would be leading you to all these other ponds.
shane cashman
They all have these.
ian carroll
And we don't exactly have the pond in Hollywood yet because Epstein's not really like Hollywood, right?
But Hollywood is dark.
philip labonte
Well, no, but I mean, you don't say, I kind of feel like that was a Harvey Weinstein or wine.
ian carroll
He seems like he might've been one of them, but was he doing blackmail?
I feel like Harvey Weinstein was just being a shitty human and just exploiting his influence, which is different than blackmail, right?
shane cashman
Yeah, we don't really know that yet.
tim pool
Wasn't it like for Harvey, like a bunch of the women were into the, like, not that they liked doing it, but that they knew what they were doing and intentionally decided I don't know.
philip labonte
I haven't looked into it much.
Allegedly, the rumour was that women knew that if you go to meet Harvey, it was probably going to happen, you were probably going to sleep with him, and you would get a movie part.
ian carroll
I mean, women are smart.
Women know how the world works.
unidentified
Yeah, they're not trying to condone it.
tim pool
Didn't Courtney Love say something like, if you get invited to a hotel with Harvey Weinstein, do not go?
shane cashman
Yeah, I'm not sure.
philip labonte
There was there was a lot of people that were making that was it was an open secret secret for a lot of years that Harvey Weinstein.
shane cashman
Meanwhile, they're thanking him and God on the stage at the Oscars every year.
philip labonte
Every year.
Thank you, Harvey Weinstein, for getting me in the movie.
shane cashman
Cut to his fat face smiling in the crowd.
ian carroll
I mean, there's a lot of dark stuff now that people are That people are more comfortable talking about, where the casting couch is very real.
The emancipation of minors into the music industry so they can be around drugs all day and around that whole Nickelodeon stuff that's been breaking.
shane cashman
We've been talking about Disney for years.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian carroll
Don't go.
tim pool
Don't go.
ian carroll
Diddy's gonna want to play with that virgin asshole.
You gotta tell Diddy no.
shane cashman
Dude, Diddy stuff, back to that and the sex slave stuff, like, have you looked into the, there was that guy who, this could be a crazy person, I want to preface it with- You mean the guy in prison?
Is he in prison?
The guy who shot up, uh, uh, Doral, the Doral hotels.
Yeah.
The Trump hotel.
He had the American flag and they went and interrogated him.
And he was like, I'm dirty sex slave.
And I mean, that's it.
So that was like in 2018.
Yeah.
That kind of ties into the Cassie lawsuit.
ian carroll
- Right, exactly.
shane cashman
- Into the freak offs and-- - Can you tie that, like how do you do that?
'Cause Cassie said things that were connected to that, right, years later? - Yeah, Cassie's lawsuit is so gross to read.
ian carroll
Cassie, it's like, I read it one and a half times and I don't even wanna like think about it anymore. - And that's his former girlfriend or what? - That's his former girlfriend.
And he, at first she was an artist that he picked up when she was like 20 or something.
And he was like, and he was like courting her for the first year or so.
And then the moment he got her under his hooks and got her like to come to the party and take a bunch of drugs and get drunk with her, then it was suddenly like balls rolling.
And then he just like absorbed her into his life and started to take over her world financially.
And then like more drugs, more, and then suddenly she's his girlfriend and then they're having sex.
And then it turned into like, You're my slave and I want and actually what he was most into was watching other men fucker right and he had a type and and he would like direct it like a porn director filmed and like film it all and like tell them exactly what to do and like like multiple men sometimes I think and tons of drugs.
But then it gets into explicit detail about how he would beat the shit out of her in public places, like in the hallway of the hotel, beat her so badly that he would then send her to a hotel some middle of nowhere and lock her in a hotel room for like a week or more so that she would recover out of public eye because she was so like facially broken and shit like that.
That's like the level of beating that he would give to her.
And he would sometimes beat her like that while the sex was happening or like directly after or before.
shane cashman
It was just like, and this is so funny.
Did they settle?
ian carroll
Yeah, and I can only assume that that's because of some level of threat or some level of fear.
For sure, for sure.
Yeah, she took a bunch of money and left and zipped her lips, but then other people around her kept talking about it.
shane cashman
When that story broke, I was like, this probably will be the end of Diddy.
Just because there had been rumors for a while.
I've been listening to rap forever and listening to other rappers.
ian carroll
They talk.
shane cashman
I'm not a big 50 Cent fan, but I love when he clowns on Diddy.
ian carroll
He's making a documentary.
shane cashman
Beautiful.
ian carroll
He's making a Diddy documentary.
shane cashman
Beautiful.
But he, but people in that world, like 50 or Kanye seem to know things, you know, you can't help it.
If you're in that industry, you probably hear things, whether they're true or not, but they seem to think that Diddy has been involved in those things.
And the videotaping stuff, it just sounds so much like the Epstein stuff that he was doing around the world with people.
And then, so to connect what you were just saying with the Cassie stuff to that guy I was talking about, who shot up the hotel that Trump is from, you know, he was saying a lot of those things because I guess he was a prostitute.
ian carroll
Yeah, he was one of the males that came and had sex with Cassie before Diddy.
tim pool
Do you guys think that as a mechanism of control, they give mind-altering drugs to these people which cause permanent brain damage?
ian carroll
Yes.
I think they can if they need to.
shane cashman
Yeah, it might not be everyone.
ian carroll
They don't always need to, right?
shane cashman
But I just look back at, like, where do these things kind of start?
Where they're experimenting?
I think of, like, Operation Midnight Climax into Ultra.
We're going to put these men in a room with a prostitute.
She's going to leave the room.
We're going to pump LSD into it and observe them and, in my opinion, just perfecting this drug to then Give you a drug and they control you or destroy your brain?
tim pool
I think the probability that the U.S.
military or intelligence agencies have a one-dose drug that could permanently cause schizophrenia or some kind of brain malfunction, I think it's 100%.
Absolutely.
ian carroll
You know the Harley Pasternak interview that was before the Kanye stuff broke, where he was speaking more freely about his old job?
Harley Pasternak is Kanye's, you know, his personal trainer for fitness that then is like threatening to put him away on drugs so he'll never see his kids.
Before, there's an interview on the internet you can find where Harley Pashnak is talking to a reporter about his old job with the Canadian military government special ops.
And he's like, so you were experimenting with drugs or something?
Like, what was that all about?
And he's, and I forget the exact clip, but it's basically like, oh, with drugs you've never heard of, like with special drugs.
shane cashman
I think it was Canada that had a whole like apartment building or hospital of people in comas, drug induced comas, where they're experimenting on them.
I forget the name of that experiment.
ian carroll
I believe it was Canada.
shane cashman
I believe it was Canada, but this is, I believe that was in the sixties or seventies.
ian carroll
Uh, that's wild.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
There's a documentary I saw on, on YouTube about it.
So it's all old footage.
ian carroll
Um, has anybody heard of during Ganga?
No, it's the Colombian, uh, like date rape drug that they'll use to make you like vice did a big documentary on it like 10, 20 years ago.
It's called the devil's breath, scopolamine.
Yeah.
And you're like blow it in someone's face.
And they, it's like, it makes you like drunk as fuck, but still like awake.
tim pool
They say it's like an instant roofie.
ian carroll
Exactly.
But open to suggestion.
So you'll, you'll be happy.
tim pool
You'll do whatever you're told and you won't remember it.
So check this out from the Guardian.
Toxic legacy of Canada's CIA brainwashing experiments.
They'll strip you of your soul.
shane cashman
There's footage of this place.
Everyone look it up.
It's wild.
ian carroll
Whoa.
shane cashman
This is so dark.
When was this?
philip labonte
The inspiration for the Wolverine.
tim pool
Is it really?
philip labonte
People don't know that Wolverine is Canadian.
Yeah.
That's right.
shane cashman
And Omega Red was the Russian version.
tim pool
Yeah.
shane cashman
Weapon X. Yes.
tim pool
The 10th version of the experiments to create a super weapon.
shane cashman
Yeah.
I think they had people in comas for a long period of time.
It's so insane.
But yeah, I think they've done this widespread stuff secretly for a while, and they just expanded it to all the mind control of today.
ian carroll
I mean, the official line is like, they shut down MKUltra?
Are you fucking kidding me?
No, they didn't.
shane cashman
It expanded and rebranded.
ian carroll
In the MKUltra documents from the church and Pipe committees, they have a section on, just as one example, on the scopolamine drug I was just talking about, which is obviously useful.
You'd be an idiot if you're the CIA and you don't experiment with that drug.
And their section about that drug is no use found discontinued tests.
And I made a TikTok video about that, just speculating, pure speculation about how if you take Epstein as a concept and you take that drug as a concept and you say, wouldn't that be useful for the people that like don't want to do the stuff Exactly.
tim pool
There was this funny show that I saw where I can't remember.
I can't remember what it was, but someone listening might remember.
They tell some guys invited to like a dinner or something and a bunch of people have been invited to this dinner.
I can't remember why.
But everyone's part of the production except him.
And he doesn't know this.
And what happens is they say, you know, for today's dinner we have two entree options.
We have fish and we have chicken.
You know, which one would you like?
And he says, uh, I'll have the chicken.
Like, okay.
And so what happens is, they bring him his chicken dish, everyone gets their plates, and then he takes a bite, and as soon as he does, a server walks by and bumps into him and drops something and then asks him to pick it up.
When he bends down to pick it up, the people around him grab his plate and replace it with fish with the same bite mark.
And then go back to normal.
And then he turns around and looks at his food and he, he didn't, didn't I order the chicken?
And they go, no, you ordered the fish.
Like I did?
Like, yeah, you took a bite.
And he's like, oh.
Then they changed.
He had white to red wine.
They kept moving things and everyone's in on it.
They made him think he was insane.
So the point I bring this up is you can, like this MKUltra stuff, doesn't need to be like grabbing someone, injecting them and screaming in their face.
You can shatter someone's mind by making them doubt reality because they're not gonna believe that everyone's, is this the Truman Show?
shane cashman
You just described the corporate press.
tim pool
And right.
ian carroll
Bingo.
tim pool
Now, yeah, exactly.
Imagine you're in a room with a bunch of people and they're like, we don't know each other.
We all got invited, same as you.
No one stole your wine.
No one switched your food.
You're going crazy, dude.
And you're gonna be like, I'm going crazy!
shane cashman
"What's happening to my brain?" - It's why we see people snapping, like Phil talking about Anna Kasparian seeing a video for the first time, 'cause it's challenged her concept of reality. - Yeah. - 'Cause we're all in the silos of reality whatever media diet you're on.
And when you see something that challenges that, like another good example is good people on both sides.
People started to, I can tell people all the time, like he didn't say that.
Right, or blood blast.
Dude, you name it.
And they can still sometimes watch that video in full.
tim pool
And I agree, but it takes a while. - Here's the question.
If you were in charge of a chicken coop of humans, which humans would you prefer to breed and make more?
The inquisitive ones that challenge and try and figure out what's going on, or the dumb ones who march in lockstep and do whatever they're told?
ian carroll
The ones that are fat and juicy.
But no, I get what you're saying.
tim pool
But no, that's a good point.
For a human versus a chicken, what is fat and juicy?
A fat and juicy chicken is a broiler chicken you want to eat.
ian carroll
One that consumes a lot without asking questions.
tim pool
But that's called productivity.
ian carroll
Money, money, money, money, money.
tim pool
So that means you want humans who are hard workers and don't resist, don't revolt, follow the law.
That's conservatives.
The liberals are violent.
They're filthy.
They're overweight.
Those are the bad chickens.
ian carroll
They want to continually progress ideas and change policies.
tim pool
So the thing went this way.
You are an alien, or the CIA, whatever, whatever supreme entity who controls everything, be it a cabal, an Illuminati, or the president, whatever, and you're like, we have this chicken coop, half of them are fat, lazy, entitled, don't produce anything, they're disgusting, they produce massive amounts of waste, and they're stinking up the place.
The other side, they live slightly more sustainably, they have septic systems, they make some of their own food, easier to manage, and they never protest.
Which group do you want to breed?
Well then, take a look at who they told to get abortions.
Conservatives are like, we will not get abortions!
And they're like, okay, I guess.
And the liberals are like, we must!
Who are they advocating for to end their breeding?
I gotta tell you, if I was In charge of a chicken coop.
And I had a bunch of chickens who did not lay eggs.
If they did lay an egg, they destroyed it.
They were smelly, disgusting, and kept pooping in the most inconvenient places.
I'd be like, those are gone.
Get rid of them.
We want the ones that poop in the corner, that lay the eggs, and don't resist.
shane cashman
Unless they want to bring society to the point of collapse where you're childless, alone, isolated, drugged up, plugged in, and they can control you because they're feeding off of you.
ian carroll
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
But what I, what is the purpose of a human life?
to the person running the machine, and it is labor.
The ability for you to do something for them.
If I wanna live in a rotating space station and be immortal, I need a bunch of people who are happy to work, don't resist, and produce the components required for me to live like a demigod. - But it's almost changing because labor's not so important anymore with AI and technology in a weird way, right?
ian carroll
Which is like, I agree with what you're saying, but it's almost like they're having to go through a paradigm shift, whoever's controlling that system.
tim pool
Yes.
ian carroll
Because like, what is the new labor?
tim pool
You need someone to mine the cobalt.
You need someone to run maintenance.
And entitled, fat, lazy people who don't want to work are not going to help you be your immortal demigod.
shane cashman
I agree with you.
But with the cobalt mining, what if they replace them with robots?
And then what if the machine... I mean, they don't need to replace African kids, though.
ian carroll
They'll just keep using African kids.
shane cashman
That's true.
And they don't care how many... Lots of African kids.
tim pool
Exactly.
We're talking about...
Heartless, soulless psychopaths who believe, like Yuval Harari, who, the stuff he said, right, you know, that, what did he have, like a recent quote where he was saying, like, I can't remember what it was, it was something about the elites will just protect themselves, the poor can die, or something like that.
He does not think there is a conscious entity, a soul, or anything like that.
He just wants to mechanize humanity.
It's real simple, man.
I don't think it's a secret.
I don't think it's complicated to see that the machine is begging liberals to excise themselves in the gene pool.
ian carroll
I've never considered that point where you're kind of saying that it's like, not actually a tactic designed to attack everyone, but actually a tactic that's aimed at liberals.
I've never thought of it that way before.
tim pool
Alex Jones described it as, they lay bear traps, announce where they are, and if you're too stupid to avoid it, it's your own fault.
They're creating this artificial selection.
I'll tell you this, you've got two 18-year-olds, one's a liberal, progressive, one's a conservative, and you say, I need cobalt now, start digging.
Which one is more likely to do it?
The conservatives guy is going to be like, well, if I can make an honest living, I'll get you your cobalt.
And the liberal guy is going to be like, that's wrong and exploiting the earth.
I'm going to go complain about Israel.
And they're going to be like, that one's a problem.
You should get an abortion.
And then they go, okay.
Yeah.
ian carroll
It's like an overgeneralization of the groupings.
tim pool
Think about this.
If all of my chickens If I let them out in the lawn, and they're walking around, running around, and they're pooping, guess what happens?
The grass grows greener and more lush, and then it's good for the crops.
When we had the garden, you intentionally release the chickens into the garden, they eat the grubs, and they poop everywhere, and it makes your plants grow better.
Now, what would happen if you took all of the chicken shit, Bald it up and put it in one spot.
ian carroll
It would destroy that spot.
tim pool
It would destroy that spot and it would take, what, weeks to a month of rain to wash it all away.
Now look at big cities.
Hyper concentrations of human waste and filth and lazy entitled people who don't want to work.
And then you take a look at conservative areas and what do you have?
Septic systems.
They regulate themselves to a great degree.
More likely to have their own backyard food?
More self-sustaining.
More likely to grow their own food?
More likely to want to work hard and believe in hard work?
If I was a tyrannical global elitist who wanted to have a functioning chicken coop, liberals are the problem.
Surprise, surprise!
They are demanding that liberals... liberals are screaming, please, abortions.
Please, please, please.
That's like, you teach the chickens to destroy their own eggs.
Yeah, you should get rid of your eggs!
shane cashman
They've gone beyond just abortion, now it's jumping the suicide pod.
tim pool
Oh, now they have made?
And who is the most likely to be victimized by it?
Conservatives are the least likely to engage in medical assistance in death, they're the least likely to sterilize their kid, and they're the least likely to get an abortion.
ian carroll
Well, there's a whole other side of this, too, actually, I just realized.
It's like, if there's a good quality in liberalism, I think the most obvious one is regulation of corporations and of, like, Big money, out of control pools of money, like the very things like that, like balance is so critical in all parts of life, especially in politics.
Like both sides need each other to a certain degree, the rational versions of each other, not the current versions of each other.
And what, what the liberal concept brings is like unregulated, like we were talking about earlier, anarchy leads to the strongest, just killing the weakest in metaphorical and real terms.
And liberalism brings that regulation that would put the regulation on BlackRock, that would tell Big Oil not to fucking do that.
And that is toxic as hell to all the people that Tim is talking about.
shane cashman
It's funny how that idea of reining in corporations was the progressive conservative idea at the turn of the century with like Teddy Roosevelt.
They would consider him a progressive, although he was conservative Republican to a degree.
ian carroll
And now who knows what's like, the liberals are shilling for fucking Big Pharma now.
philip labonte
Whether it be the left or the right, Both like big things or accept large things, whether it be large government or large corporations.
And the largeness of things is what tends to be the problem because you get externalities and you get the inability for large things to slow down or stop or fix problems and It makes the just largesse of whether it be corporation or government, that kind of largesse makes change really, really difficult.
ian carroll
And they can regulate themselves into a self-perpetuating cycle.
They can lobby.
shane cashman
Speaking of something that could gain too much power, my favorite speech is the Eisenhower speech about the military industrial complex.
Someone who helped bring that about and said, this has gone too far.
ian carroll
And he was going to stay aware of the CIA at that time.
Like, oh yeah, like he was, he was the one that witnessed the birth and the, the, uh, beginnings of the CIA becoming the military industrial complex is covert arm.
shane cashman
This man left.
That was his last speech in the white house before JFK went in and then look what the military military industrial complex did in my opinion, which is again, no difference between the mafia and the industrial complex.
tim pool
Former Congressman Ron Paul said the CIA killed JFK.
shane cashman
Yeah, I would agree.
ian carroll
Sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory.
shane cashman
Yeah, I think that is very likely.
It's interesting that we haven't seen those papers yet.
They were supposed to be released.
I believe Trump said if you saw them, you wouldn't know how the American public could handle it.
I forget his exact quote.
tim pool
Here's a conspiracy theory for you.
So for the longest time, you have this waning patriotism in the United States.
Conservatives, of course, march in lockstep.
They're following the conservative narrative and the conservative message of the Republican Party and all that stuff.
But younger people and liberals are going crazy.
So the conspiracy would be, bring about a Trump.
Introduce ideas to the left, because the left was very anti-US.
The left was protesting war and all that stuff.
So then, the conspiracy theory would be, the intelligence agencies say, we need to taint the left that nobody wants to be a part of it, no reasonable person.
Introduce a bunch of ideas, that's why I see around 2008 this massive spike in LexisNexis, showing wokeness, racism, white privilege and all that stuff.
Pissing off the majority population, which is white people.
Pissing off men and making the left taste like crap.
Pushing people who are moderates, rational, towards Trump to reignite this America first, make a strong America mentality.
What if the real conspiracy was that they were trying to get rid of leftist influence So they had to taint the left, make the left the enemy, make nasty Hillary Clinton, all the stupid people march in lockstep with it, then they get abortions, and then Trump wins, and Trump is supposed to win.
ian carroll
This was right after Occupy Wall Street.
Right after that sort of leftist, like, rein-in-the-corporations mentality came directly for the 1% in that line.
philip labonte
It wasn't just the leftists, though.
It was everybody.
tim pool
Right, everybody was down there, and now you have a whole bunch of people who used to be liberal, who used to be Democrats, now being like, we have to vote for Trump.
And Trump is MAGA, America first, the American flag, woohoo!
Maybe that was the game plan all along.
shane cashman
And then what?
tim pool
Trump wins, and then everyone celebrates and cheers.
They crush the left, which is anti-Israel right now, and maybe that was always the point.
And then you get Donald Trump was coming in saying he will be the most pro-Israel president ever.
ian carroll
I do get really curious about the Trump conspiracy theories of like, maybe he's more than meets the eye?
And there's versions of it that are like, he's a fucking genius that actually has all, and like, with some points.
philip labonte
I don't believe those.
unidentified
Full disclosure, I totally don't believe the genius ones.
tim pool
Think about this.
The deep state says, we have a problem.
We've got all of these college students, they've become anti, they oppose us, they're pro-war.
They didn't like what happened in Vietnam and they say, what do we do?
Well, people don't like Mitt Romney, people don't like these stodgy conservative types.
How do we get people to say rah rah hoo rah America?
A Democrat reality TV celebrity who is funny and brash, who regular people will say, yeah, I get it, but then we taint the left with wokeness so that people are, look, the left seems unsustainable in that all they do is insult people based on race and gender and things like this.
Eventually you will get more and more people being like, I don't want to be a part of a group that's insulting me based on who I am and I can't control.
Then the other side is Trump, and, you know, it's great, we're gonna make America great, we're gonna do all these good things for the country, very Bernie-esque populist policies that moderate former liberals, 9 million Obama voters voted for Trump, and then they make it seem like he's the underdog.
Obama was the underdog.
I remember when Obama was running, Everyone was saying, all my friends in Chicago, they're like, Tim, you don't understand.
We're about to win.
A black community organizer from Chicago who came out of nowhere, gained too much popularity and pushed and shut down Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton is the heir who's supposed to take over and Barack Obama upset her and we're finally gonna upend the machine.
And I'm like, wow.
So anti-war for the people, populist.
And it was a big lie.
It was a big lie.
ian carroll
If anyone doesn't know that it's a big lie, just look up Obama, Citibank, cabinet.
shane cashman
Yeah, and then maybe three bombs every hour, every day for a year.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
One of the first things he did was he signed off on a drone strike that killed a village of women and killed 23 women and children.
shane cashman
Right.
tim pool
But then the deep state says, OK, after Obama, what do we do?
People are going to want to go the other direction.
There's going to be, you know, anti-Democrat sentiment.
We want to crush the anti-war sentiment and all these things.
So maybe it's Trump.
Maybe it's one big conspiracy theory.
ian carroll
I think that you paint a good argument for it.
I think that my reservation about that version of it Is that it gives a lot of credibility to their competence, and they have a lot, like the, if you just look at the CIA and sort of associated parties, they have a long history of deep incompetence.
Sure.
That has totally bungled operations in ways that are like juvenile.
tim pool
I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying, entertain.
ian carroll
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's a- So what they do is- It's a good point.
So I've talked about this with Bitcoin.
I remember back in the end of the 2000s, you had Alex Jones being like, they're trying to create a one world currency.
Next step is the Amaro.
And there are pictures of like this united North American currency and stuff.
And then Bitcoin popped up.
ian carroll
Yep.
tim pool
And I'm like, well, they got their international single monetary transactional tool.
And how did they do it?
They targeted the anti-governmental conspiracy theorists, libertarians, and anarchists first.
They went to the people who are like, they're trying to make a one world currency to control everybody!
And they went, hey, this one world unified global currency is outside of their control.
You should buy it.
And they went, yes!
And they all did.
So if you were trying to implement a plan, You want to make sure you can break the barrier of those who are resistant first.
shane cashman
Right.
tim pool
That's what they did.
So now take a look at Trump.
Make him look like the martyr and the victim.
The Democrats target him.
Why?
Not really because they want to stop him, but because they want to play the bad guy.
So we say the Republicans are the Washington generals to the Democrats Harlem Globetrotters.
What if it's the other way around?
What if Democrats are pretending to be the villains to get everyone to move closer and closer towards pro-America?
Pro our borders, pro our country, actually strengthening this nation, its economy, and the deep state in turn.
shane cashman
The way you describe them subverting the counterculture types also made me think of how I see a lot of people who claim to be anti-authority, who are against centralization of power, but it seemed to be really cool with Elon building a one app place.
He wants everything in one place.
tim pool
Because he's the philosopher king.
shane cashman
But don't trust that either.
Elon Musk comes in.
tim pool
Saves the day.
- Right. - So Elon, this is the other thing too.
And look, I'm gonna stress this.
I'm voting for Trump.
I like Trump.
I don't think there's a conspiracy.
I think they desperately hate him.
I think he's more anti-intervention.
- Yeah, you're just playing devil's advocate. - I'm saying you always wanna entertain what this pitfalls may be.
Elon Musk comes in, saves the day, rescues the lost voices.
This is called a pressure release valve.
You allow a little bit back onto the scene before the pressure bursts and it causes something more chaotic.
So I've said, people are like, why is TimCast IRL still out on YouTube?
I'm like, pressure release.
There's a reason why they silo us to a certain degree and that we don't gain as much subscribers despite the massive audience.
So let me give you a breakdown real quick.
The general idea is pressure release.
A show like Timcast IRL is anti-establishment enough, but not super off the rails, so the people who are frustrated with the system feel like they still have a voice.
They can watch a show that speaks to them, and they don't feel like the end is nigh.
They ban a show like that, and people feel lost, and then people start acting out crazy.
So it's just enough that the steam is going, eeee, and coming out, and it doesn't blow up.
I ran an advertisement for the first time ever for TimCast IRL, simply saying, if you want to watch the best show, come watch TimCast IRL, Monday to Friday, 8pm.
First thing they do, they blocked it as an election ad.
I appealed this, they said no.
I appealed it again, they said no.
I escalated it to chat, and the chat person said, at Google Ads, you're right, nothing in this has anything to do with elections, we'll get back to you next week.
Next week they get back and they say, you know what, you are right, this has nothing to do with elections, so we're going to allow the ad.
Two days later they deleted the two episodes that were featured in the commercial, the Joe Rogan Alex Jones and the Michael Malz Alex Jones.
The two biggest episodes got deleted right after.
I think the issue for them was they like the show as a pressure release valve for a lot of people who are fresh with the system And when I bought that ad, I shattered the bubble they were trying to keep us in.
Now there's a commercial for the show, two of them running, that are intentionally designed to go outside of this sphere of political influence and specifically target people who normally don't watch.
That's going above and beyond what they would allow for a show like this.
And now they're deleting episodes.
I think they don't like that.
We're trying to break that mold.
I think this is what they're trying to do.
So back to Elon Musk.
Everyone's getting more and more frustrated.
They're getting angrier and angrier.
Tensions are rising, and they go, okay.
Elon comes in, brings some of the voices back, bringing the pressure down.
People, yeah, we're winning!
We're winning!
ian carroll
And then Elon says- But he did it a little too much, and the advertisers got pissed.
tim pool
Didn't he go to Israel?
ian carroll
He made it all right, you know, and then.
tim pool
So I'm saying in the conspiracy theory, it's that it's all part of the plan.
Elon is acting like the philosopher king.
I'm the good guy who's going to save you.
Look, I agree with you on all these opinions.
You now have a voice.
Once again, we're going to bring your voices back and then create the one app for everything where everything you say will be part of our AI integration.
You will do all your transactions through us, et cetera, et cetera.
And you can still get banned and misgendering policy still exists.
ian carroll
And he pushes the freedom of speech is not freedom of reach, which is total bullshit.
That's complete bullshit.
If you're algorithmically treating TimCast different than Joe Rogan podcast, that's censorship.
shane cashman
There's so many landmines on Twitter that I still don't, no one really knows.
You interact with someone who's supposedly a bad account behind the scenes.
tim pool
Let me stress this too.
Thinker for a Life said, no, they like your Super Chats, you're funding them.
We don't make that much in Super Chats.
That's a ridiculous notion.
The idea that a trillion dollar company is like, We need a couple hundred dollars per week in Super Chats.
ian carroll
Yeah, they get a lot of CIA funding.
They don't need no Super Chats.
tim pool
Right.
YouTube is subsidized.
If anything, they're paying us more than... The reason why Rumble has a harder time with ads is because they're not subsidized.
They have to get real customers.
YouTube, they don't play that game.
ian carroll
No.
Nope.
Nope.
tim pool
So anyway, anyway.
Long story short, I'm not saying that's true.
I'm a big fan of Elon.
I think the work he's doing with SpaceX and Starship, some of the most important things humans have ever done.
So I'm a big fan.
I'm just playing devil's advocate, always entertained.
ian carroll
Well, you bring up a really important point in today's times, is that It's so critical that everyone entertains the ideas that aren't necessarily their own, but they actually think it through from the other people's perspective, not from their own perspective.
Because you don't know what's real, and you don't know what's true, and you're not that smart.
None of us are.
And so if you're not entertaining some of these conspiracy theories just to keep your eyes on them, you're going to be totally blindsided by the ones that were true.
shane cashman
Also, like, idolize no man.
ian carroll
Exactly.
shane cashman
Even if you identify with things they say, and you agree with 90% Idolize no one.
Just think for yourself and listen to everybody.
tim pool
What if, uh, Joe Biden, you know, remember when Barack Obama said, Joe, you don't have to do this?
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Maybe what the real conversation was, as you all laugh like fools, was that Joe Biden goes to Barack Obama and says, you know, man, we need a patriotic resurgence in this country.
He's like, come on, we need people to believe in America again and secure its borders and come on, man!
And then Obama's like, well, Joe, I don't know what we do.
And then Joe says, what if I play the villain?
What if I act stupid, weak, corrupt?
We can accuse me of crimes.
I can be that man.
I can be the hero we need so that they will vote for Donald Trump.
And then Barack's like, Joe, you don't have to do this.
It'll destroy your legacy.
They'll hate you.
They will hate you.
And he's like, well, they can't hate me because that's what I can be for them.
ian carroll
It would make an epic comic book.
shane cashman
This entire conversation happened between Obama and a Ouija board.
That's how we talked to Biden.
To raise him from the dead.
Yeah, he came out like a smoke ghost and got into the White House.
tim pool
In 2016 Hillary Clinton was like, I'm going to intentionally be insufferable so that people will vote for Trump.
ian carroll
I think she had that conversation with herself in like 2002.
She's been doing that for a long time.
tim pool
And it stopped at, I'm going to be intentionally insufferable and that was it.
That was the end of the sentence.
shane cashman
Bill's like, we know.
unidentified
We know.
ian carroll
I'll just say that when Melinda Gates found out about that Bill's connections, she got the fuck out of there.
shane cashman
That's right.
unidentified
When Hillary found out about that Bill's connections... Yeah, like the Melinda Bill stuff feels like some movie.
Actually, it feels kind of like Fallout.
tim pool
Did you guys watch the new Fallout show?
ian carroll
No, no.
tim pool
Oh, I shouldn't spoil it then.
shane cashman
That's all right.
tim pool
I kind of may have already by mentioning Bill and Melinda Gates.
shane cashman
Interesting.
tim pool
But the idea is like they're a married couple and she's at like a meeting and some woman in a suit comes in and she's like, you need to know more about your husband.
And she's like, what do you mean?
He runs a computer software company.
He goes, you need to learn about what he's really doing.
And she's like, no, I've known Bill forever.
And then, you know, insert plot line.
She finds out that he's a philanderer and he's like banging a bunch of women or something.
ian carroll
Insert beer porn to split more families up.
tim pool
Or she finds documents under the bed or in the closet of Epstein and records.
And then she's like, Bill, what is this?
And he's like, what I do on that plane is none of your business, Melinda.
ian carroll
I'm raising money for philanthropy.
tim pool
Yeah, and then she's like, I can't do this anymore.
I'm leaving you.
You are not the man I married.
And he's like, I have to do it.
shane cashman
Man.
And then that, like that to me sounds, I haven't seen it, but that's just based off what they were doing to people like Martin Luther King, right?
The CIA sending him letters saying, basically you should take yourself out.
ian carroll
Oh, literally you should kill yourself because we have blackmail on you.
shane cashman
You can read that letter.
It's on Wikipedia.
Or sending out pictures of him having affairs, you know, which again, they're, They're gathering blackmail stuff to try to take out people who are rebelling.
They did the same thing to Kennedy.
unidentified
Kennedy.
shane cashman
They took out Malcolm X, in my opinion.
I think they even came out recently.
tim pool
Remember when Bill Gates was asked about Epstein?
He was like, well, he's dead now.
ian carroll
Yeah.
shane cashman
Yeah.
unidentified
Whoa.
ian carroll
So you really need to be more careful.
unidentified
Yeah.
Is that what he said?
ian carroll
I forget.
There is a better quote than that.
philip labonte
Strongly implied.
Strongly implied.
unidentified
So there's really nothing more to say about that.
tim pool
I'd be a big fan of Bill Gates.
I'd be very impressed if he went, well, he's dead now, so don't forget it.
unidentified
You cross the gates and you get what's coming to you.
tim pool
I'd be like, wow, that was amazing.
shane cashman
I respect that.
tim pool
Or in reality, I think the conspiracy theory, it's not really a conspiracy theory, but the theory that makes the most sense is they're all actually really incompetent, doing random things and failing.
We know about Diddy because they're actually not very good at what they do.
ian carroll
Well, some of them are good at what they do.
Some of them are successful, right?
tim pool
And they're facepalming when their underlings show up.
ian carroll
Yeah, exactly.
Like I think of it as like, all the other human traffickers are like, fucking Jeffrey, dude, you fucking are so shitty at this because they're all trying to run their shit and he's ruining everything.
tim pool
The cartels are like watching TV and they're like, oh, what an idiot.
ian carroll
I mean, every friend group has that friend that just like can't hold their shit together.
shane cashman
But then it depends on how you define what they see as successful.
Like sometimes I'm like, are they just agents of chaos so they can't do their other crazy shit over here?
ian carroll
Well, they're all individuals, right?
They all run their own lives and want to do their own things.
That's the thing about conspiracy theories is everyone wants there to be one, but there's literally eight and a half billion because we all have our own lives.
tim pool
So when Epstein goes down, the group chat lights up and it's like one cartel member is like, yo, are you seeing this?
And then the Clinton Foundation is like, oh man, hopefully we're isolated, but they might get us.
And then you've got Diddy is texting him being like, oh man, You know, they're all just in this group chat being like, yo, I'm watching this one.
The cartel guy calls.
ian carroll
Yo Meek, wake up, wake up.
tim pool
He calls Diddy and he's like, hey, what's going on with Epstein, dude?
It's like, don't worry, don't worry, we're fine.
We had nothing to do with him.
And now, now Diddy gets hit.
The cartel guys are like, oh man!
They're calling their friends in Thailand.
shane cashman
Can Seamus make this a cartoon?
tim pool
their group chats they have conventions they're at they're at they're at traffic con they do traffic on 2024 and it's a lot smaller and they're like well we lost funding when they got diddy and epstein i mean wasn't it interesting that diddy wasn't on the plane but diddy sent his plane over to the virgin islands yeah what's up with that no one knows what was on it i assume evidence right like something right gold like what do you think the raids were about children the raids were it was probably to get evidence
ian carroll
i was on a lot of twitter spaces with people that actually like have expertise in law enforcement and had like no more than me and they all felt like it was like they're So the civil case was the lawsuit that we've all read, but that just implies that then they have to open a criminal case.
And so then in a criminal case, they need to be airtight.
They don't prosecute.
They're not going to arrest Diddy if they can't put him down.
So they were speculating that the raids are just to accumulate evidence to get an airtight case.
There's not actually an arrest warrant for Diddy out right now.
It's not like he's on the run, even though it was a great headline to run at the time.
shane cashman
Like, do you think they're just getting evidence to then just keep out of the public eye?
Again, a lot like Epstein, there's videos that they, and like that whole filing cabin and stuff that obviously no one's seen.
That's the real question.
And if Diddy's doing all this stuff, that's perhaps what's going on.
tim pool
The real Diddy was on that plane.
unidentified
The fake Diddy stayed behind.
ian carroll
There we go.
tim pool
Here's the crazy thing, right?
It's actually not that complicated to get a body double.
ian carroll
Yeah.
unidentified
True.
tim pool
They do it all the time in movies, stunt doubles. - It's true. - And sometimes they'll be like, the actor and their stunt double, and you're like, they really do look very similar.
And then the thing is, you guys have probably been in this moment where you've seen a celebrity on the street and you don't quite know if it's them or not.
ian carroll
Because when they make movies- It looks totally different.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like makeup, it's angles.
And then you see them and you're like, is that really them?
Because I remember, I've had these moments many times in my life where I was at a restaurant once and the people, Glenn Howerton and Katie Olsen walked past the restaurant.
And it's just like, I see them and I'm like, it looks like the, was that them?
shane cashman
That's funny.
tim pool
I think that was them.
I don't know.
Because you can't really tell.
shane cashman
Right.
tim pool
So then imagine Puff Daddy.
I mean, come on, anybody who's doing anything like that, they got to have they got to have something like that, right?
ian carroll
I don't know if I would say for sure with his level, but people higher up, I would feel for sure.
tim pool
And then you do like probably you do like what you do in Star Wars.
The Phantom Menace.
The Queen is dressed up like a servant.
ian carroll
Bingo.
And then the one on the throne is just some I mean, the reality is that in the world we have today, where you can literally buy anything, if you have enough money, anything, all you need to have is enough money to buy whatever service you're referring to.
And so if your service is kids on a virgin island, you just need enough money.
If your service is a body double, you just need enough money.
That's the unfortunate truth of our world today.
philip labonte
I read stories about like Saddam Hussein having multiple body doubles and it happens more often in you know in countries that are less secure than the United States because now in the US it's like why buy a body double when you can buy the beast you know the unarmored you know limousine and have the same kind of the same kind of Armor and protection that like the literally have the military right like so I'm not saying that the u.s.
Couldn't right, but well the u.s.
Just I mean it's better for the u.s.
To throw money at companies like for the government throw money at companies They're gonna make stuff for him.
tim pool
You know Mitt Romney could have a body double in fact.
He could probably have like 80 There's no Trump body double Never gonna happen.
His like his weird hunched over back and like belly and hair like cannot be replicated.
ian carroll
He must age up barren by like 60 years because barren is like apparently a direct replica of him.
He's just taller.
Yeah you guys hear the gossip about the interview that he gave that he was like apparently super cogent and like really smart?
- Barron? - Yeah, the PBD podcast was talking about it.
I don't know, someone, Barron, like he's just turning 18 or something.
And he like did this, like, come at me interview with all sorts of people from the press and podcasters, where he was like, I'm now on the public stage.
You can ask me anything, let's go.
- Did he say he's a time traveler? - I don't know, but apparently everyone else said that he was actually like really smart and held down the conversation.
shane cashman
I wouldn't be surprised.
His mom knows like seven languages.
tim pool
And look at the world he grew up in.
I'm sure he's reading all this stuff.
The dude's probably light years ahead of where any of the other Trumps were.
ian carroll
He's light years ahead of where Hunter is.
I feel bad for the Biden family.
I feel like Joe probably just molested his kids.
Cycles of violence.
Like Hunter is definitely moving at light speed somewhere.
philip labonte
Hunter likes to party.
tim pool
It is my Hunter likes to party.
ian carroll
Hunter likes to party.
You can see Hunter party at Bidenlaptopmedia.com.
tim pool
I feel bad for the Biden family.
ian carroll
Oh, so much.
tim pool
I feel like Joe probably just molested his kids.
ian carroll
Cycles of violence.
I mean, like it's in the Ashley Biden diary.
tim pool
She asks in the diary if she was molested.
The funny thing is, this is what I love about the Ashley Biden diary.
So the diary is real.
People have been criminally charged for it.
And Snopes is like, is the passage from the diary that says she may have been molested and took inappropriate showers with her father real?
Unknown!
And then they say, while the diary is real, and the diary was obtained by this woman, and this diary has resulted in, and this taking of the diary has resulted in criminal charges for this woman and this man, and they did admit publicly in the trial that they gave the diary to Project Veritas, and Project Veritas has also been investigated in public knowledge, they gave it to National File, and National File publicly admitted they had the diary, and published a story about it, the images they published may be fake.
unidentified
Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
tim pool
If you can't believe that, you can't believe anything.
If the argument is, after all of that is public record, criminal court case, everything, national file, we know they have it, and they wrote a story about it, and then you go, yeah, but maybe they faked those images.
I'll be like, okay, if that's the case, Trump has never committed a crime ever.
If we get to that point, and then you stop and say, but you can't believe, evolution's not even true then.
ian carroll
But you know it's true because they cite their sources in places like Snopes and Politico, and you can click on their sources to see their sources, and it's Snopes and Politico is their source.
I love going to Politico on stream and just like, oh look, a source!
Click.
Politico.
Oh look, a source!
tim pool
Click.
Did Trump falsify business records in the Stormy Daniels case?
Unknown because no, the D.A.
may have fabricated those those those records.
ian carroll
I mean, how do we know?
It's like, how do we know?
I have a hard time even caring about that case because like, yeah, maybe hush money.
Cool.
Like, OK, 2020 election, you didn't need to pay hush money because the whole CIA got together to hush money your do your kids fucking laptop.
Like, yeah.
Like, bro, what am I?
What am I more concerned about?
Trump hush moneying one porn star because some sex happened or Biden's campaign hush moneying the entire intelligence apparatus about the whole laptop.
tim pool
Isn't it even that there was no sex between the porn star and she had to pay him a bunch of money because of that or something?
philip labonte
Uh, I think that that's the case.
tim pool
She owes him like 300 grand.
philip labonte
She had to pay him back money.
tim pool
She's supposed to, but she won't.
I mean, over her dead body, Trump will never get a cent from her, even though she owes him like 300 grand.
unidentified
Yeah.
philip labonte
Well, um, but then as for, um, the, the campaign paying off the, uh, the, the security, uh, intelligence apparatus, They did that gratis.
They were into it.
ian carroll
They were like, yo, we'll do it.
We'll do it.
philip labonte
We got, we got this.
They were.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian carroll
And like, if you just go, so like you can read the letter that they published the 51 intelligence agents that published that letter.
And you can look at who published it.
I mean, first off in the letter, they say, we have no evidence.
We just suspect because it has the signature of Russian disinformation.
So probably it is no evidence.
But then you just go down the list of who they were and like the number one dude on the list, he's the guy that lied to us about, no, the NSA doesn't spy on you.
Like, no way.
And then the second guy on the list is like, no, we never torture anyone anywhere in any secret prisons.
Like it's on their Wikipedia pages.
shane cashman
Autonomo is just Disneyland.
ian carroll
It's just fake, bro.
And those are their 51 intelligence agent, like experts, which have literally like Disclaimer, what intelligence agent means is professional liar.
shane cashman
Yeah.
ian carroll
For the government.
shane cashman
Yep.
Yep.
And you got to watch out for them in every institution.
Everywhere.
ian carroll
Yeah.
shane cashman
If you know about Mockingbird and the way they infiltrate news media, they are everywhere.
The war is on reality and the way you perceive it with everything.
philip labonte
And I've said this before on IRL, a lot of people think that or a lot of people talk about like payoffs and stuff like that.
Like cash exchanges almost never happen.
And there's no reason for them to happen because the thing that people really want is access to power.
The point of money Is power.
That's the whole point of having money.
Nobody likes having dollars just to have the dollars.
It's what the dollars can do.
So if you can get the same results in the real world without actually having to exchange dollars just because you have relationships, that's as good as money.
So if politicians are like, I'll be friendly to you if you write a good story about me, well of course you're going to write good stories.
tim pool
This is something that sparked up substantially with the internet, social currency.
So before social media without direct communications, it's hard to utilize notoriety.
Maybe you show up in town and you're a well-known rock star and you need a place to stay and you don't want to spend money so you go to a hotel and then your guy calls and tries to negotiate with social currency and the internet.
Occupy Wall Street, great example.
After Occupy, I didn't have a lot of money.
I was making some in donations, it was allowing me to eat, and then I wanted to go to Spain.
So I tweeted, wanna go to Spain?
Anybody able to help me out?
I get a bunch of emails.
Some people are like, we've got miles we've never used that have just stacked up from my, you know, like, oh, my husband works this company where he flies and he has 10 million miles.
It's nothing for us to get you a plane ticket.
I'm like, thank you very much.
Then someone else was like, I know somebody in Spain who has a guest bedroom.
They said, you're totally cool to stay there.
They got extra key.
You're done.
Like, no worries.
That's social currency.
I didn't have to spend a dime.
ian carroll
The game has changed forever.
tim pool
Right.
So social media allows you to do things, to find those opportunities without needing money.
philip labonte
That's another thing that makes me question when people say things are so difficult out there, right?
And I hear people saying that, and I hear a lot of people talking about the difficulties of making money, and I see the inflation numbers and stuff like that.
So I don't think they're lying.
I think that they believe they're experiencing that.
But I also wonder how How much does it actually reflect real reality, or does it reflect their preferences and what they don't wanna do?
Because if you're the kind of go-getter person that's just like, I'm a hustler.
unidentified
If you listen to old rap songs, right?
They're always talking about being hustlers.
You know what hustling is.
philip labonte
They're out there selling drugs because they want that money.
They're gonna go out there and they're gonna get that money.
Now that's not saying that everyone should do that, but if you want something, You go out and you try to get it.
So if you want a job and you want to work and you want things, people will go out and do it.
So it makes me, it does make me curious and it makes me dig around and ask people a lot of questions and stuff.
But like, are the kids that are really depressed, that are unhappy, like, is it because they don't have money?
Like they say, or is it actually other things that they think are a lack of money? - It's like misplaced depression 'cause there's no outside world to them anymore.
ian carroll
Cause I want to speak up for them a little bit in the sense that I was working restaurants for like, so I'm 31 now and I worked restaurants through most of my twenties and other jobs and stuff.
And.
for a while you could make enough money at those kinds of jobs where you could leverage it to like if you're not spending it all on weed on your fucking free time or whatever you could leverage it so that you do have the free time to side hustle and as shit's gotten worse and worse and worse it's it's less and less so like
You have less and less free time to even side hustle if you're like if you didn't get set up or set yourself up early with a job or a situation where you have extra hours or lots of like then you are people are starting to get trapped where now the economy so bad and the pay is so bad that you don't even have the money or the time and then your mental state of like your shitty health is just like Distract and your condition from school.
philip labonte
And this is happening.
This is all this has kind of become a thing in the past four or five years, right?
ian carroll
A hundred percent.
philip labonte
So it's so it's fairly new.
ian carroll
Yeah.
philip labonte
OK.
unidentified
Yeah.
philip labonte
Because it takes the and that's why I don't want to approach it and be like, oh, bullshit, like I'm like an old boomer, blah, blah, blah, because it takes time for the realities of, you know, the of the situation on the ground for people to actually occur to them enough where they're going to start talking about it.
And then they have to convince the other people that are not experiencing that.
tim pool
You mean like women getting punched in the face in New York?
philip labonte
I mean... Pretty much.
I mean, without... Yes, actually, is one of the things... I wonder if they're... No, no, no, look, look, look.
tim pool
The punching in the face, it's like, well, you voted for this crime.
Nobody wants anyone getting punched in the face.
And getting punched in the face isn't the end of the world.
But there was a guy scalding women.
He was boiling water and then going and splashing women in the face with it.
philip labonte
Insane.
tim pool
Yeah, it's getting bad.
And now there's a slasher again.
There's like slashers all the time in New York.
shane cashman
It's the 70s again in New York.
ian carroll
Dude, the destruction of manliness and the destruction of masculinity and healthy men is just so sad.
tim pool
Well, they're screaming for whatever reason.
I saw this tweet where Katie Hobbs vetoed the protecting women in sports bill.
And I'm like, women overwhelmingly vote, based on voting patterns, for policies that strip women of their protections.
Men overwhelmingly vote to protect women.
But right now the issue is, police officers in New York are screaming in the face of strong men, you will go to prison for the rest of your life and we will clap as it happens if you try to be masculine.
And then the criminals who are not masculine, just psychotic, And there's a dual message.
philip labonte
There's a conflicting message being sent consistently, right?
So you've got Daniel Perry getting arrested.
But Perry too.
unidentified
That's the Austin guy.
philip labonte
He got arrested because he won a gunfight.
If you walk up to someone's car with a gun and you got a gun out, that means you are ready for a gunfight.
If the other guy draws down on you and shoots you, you lost a gunfight.
unidentified
That's what happens.
tim pool
Specifically, this guy had the gun at low ready.
Walked up with a mob of people to this guy's car.
A mob that's part of an organization that has killed before.
So it's not just like, look, I'm walking down the street.
ian carroll
In Texas too, right?
philip labonte
Right.
tim pool
I was walking down the street.
No, we were riding our bikes.
And I see a guy with a crossbow and a bunch of bolts.
And I don't stop.
I don't think twice.
I don't care.
I'm not threatened in any way.
I see a guy walking down the street with a rifle.
I'm not threatened, he's not approaching me.
I see a group of far-left extremists who have killed, screaming horrible things, and a guy walks up to me at low ready, I'm thinking, they're coming up to me, why?
Now I'm threatened.
That's what happened in Texas.
But, back to your point about Penny.
philip labonte
Yeah, like, so you get people that are saying, you know, we're going to throw you or you get government throwing people in jail.
And then when something bad happens, you have a ton of people getting on the internet or getting a ton of media people saying, where are all the men?
Where are the men?
Where are the real men?
And I have a problem with the phrase real men, because that is just a manipulation tactic, because what a real man is, What they mean is, you're not doing the thing I think you should be doing.
That's what they're saying.
So it's just like, alright, so this arbitrary phrase used to shame me, and I'm supposed to put myself in danger, but when I put myself in danger, and I successfully protect you, then the law comes and throws me in jail?
F you.
I'm not helping anyone.
At least not in New York.
The answer is leave New York.
If I'm in Martinsburg and something goes down at Walmart, I have no problem being like, all right, I'll help.
I'll draw because I carry.
No problem.
I'm not doing that on the subway.
In New York City?
ian carroll
Was it in Florida where the guy was like, hey, we expect you to defend your home?
philip labonte
Yeah, absolutely!
tim pool
In New York, they deployed the National Guard to search people in subways.
This is not to stop crime, it's to stop vigilantes.
philip labonte
Probably.
tim pool
Look, no one expects a little old lady to go nuts and shoot someone.
They do expect a little old lady to defend herself.
That's why they frisk her.
By putting National Guard in all in all these different subway stations, they're basically saying law abiding citizens will be stopped because the criminals are going to are going to bypass it in whatever way they can.
ian carroll
They're also conditioning us to allow the military into our private spaces to control us.
philip labonte
Right.
unidentified
There's that.
Yup.
ian carroll
That's dark.
philip labonte
Wonderful thought.
ian carroll
Surveillance state incoming!
tim pool
But again, back to my earlier point, these are in big blue cities that keep voting for these things.
And it's not, look, when the lockdowns happened, we were in Jersey and we immediately planned, okay, we were planning on moving.
We're accelerating our move to the West Virginia tri-state area.
And we got out.
And so being in a suburban area, we weren't really that impacted by lockdowns because Walmart was two blocks away.
We had a backyard.
There's no real big police force around.
ian carroll
We chose a cool space for it.
tim pool
Then we said, okay, well, the big fear was shutting down bridges.
If they say we're going to shut down the bridges out of Jersey, then you're stuck on this peninsula.
I was like, we don't want to be here.
We'd rather be mainland.
So we're going to leave.
We come to West Virginia.
West Virginia had mask mandates, and they were only enforced by weirdo leftists in West Virginia, which is few and far between.
The only encounter we ever had that actually mattered was, there's a coffee shop in West Virginia that said masks required in this big huge thing, and a Starbucks was across the street, and Starbucks said no masks required.
And so I was like, Starbucks it is!
I guess.
But for the most part, we went to a bar, And there was a sign on the door that said, masks are required as per state law.
This was actually the peninsula of Maryland, but it's just north.
That's like very thin strip.
And we, and I opened the door, not a single person wearing a mask.
The bartender looks over and he just like, he just nods.
And there's a big Trump riding a tank with a machine gun.
And I'm like, we're good.
We don't got to worry about anything.
ian carroll
I was in Northwest Washington by Seattle.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
ian carroll
It was a wild time.
Dystopia?
Yeah, I lost a lot of friends.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ian carroll
But I made it through.
I mean, I made it through.
I survived.
I didn't, uh, yeah.
tim pool
When people go nuts?
ian carroll
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ian carroll
Businesses closed down.
Like, there are literally, to this day, people that drive in cars in my town with their masks on in their car in private.
tim pool
Taylor Lawrence.
ian carroll
Very common.
Like, in the grocery stores.
shane cashman
She goes to porn parties and dances in masks.
ian carroll
For years, there was masks required, signs up on businesses.
shane cashman
It's crazy.
ian carroll
Yeah.
shane cashman
That'll be a scar that will last through generations.
ian carroll
Yeah.
Despite like all the actual professionals, all the scientists coming out and like in public in front of Congress being like, yeah, that's not real.
tim pool
We didn't need to like Fauci flip flopping even.
Yeah.
You know what I loved the most during lockdowns was.
It starts with Fauci saying, you don't need to be wearing masks, that's for medical professionals.
And then all the right was like, no, everyone on the right was like, I want masks there.
But I had people mailing me masks and I was like, this is crazy.
And then there was a flip.
But the best point was when someone asked Dr. Fauci about wearing two masks arbitrarily.
It was like some TV anchor made this thing up where she's like, now wearing one mask clearly helps.
Would it be possible that wearing two masks is good?
And he goes, look, you don't need to be wearing two masks.
Okay, one mask is good enough.
And then somehow that question popped up because he says you don't need to be doing it, but obviously two masks would help.
And then all of a sudden, everyone started talking in the media about how two masks are better, and then the CDC said, yeah, two masks are better, and then people started double-masking.
I think Pelosi was double-masking?
unidentified
What?
philip labonte
A lot of people forget that, like, Fauci, they were telling, like, the official word from the government was, you don't need a mask in the beginning.
And the reason they said that was specifically because they were afraid that medical professionals were going to not have masks they needed.
So they literally, intentionally lied to the public about masks at the outset, right away.
And there's no debate about that.
They were saying that for probably the first month.
Once they realized that they had enough N95 masks that could protect where they could get them around, then they said everybody should wear them.
They were wrong about that, too!
shane cashman
Dude, they were wrong about ventilators.
philip labonte
Yeah, they were wrong about everything.
shane cashman
We were getting faulty tests from China.
ian carroll
Everything.
tim pool
My favorite element of the lockdowns was the NPR story about China taking people's DNA.
Because that's like, how do you convince someone that's happening?
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm going to pull that one up just because people probably won't even believe it.
ian carroll
You put it on NPR.
shane cashman
Yeah.
ian carroll
I mean, I was talking to a boomer who is near and dear to me the other day, and they said they didn't realize that Fauci was not the director of the CDC.
Because they were sure he was, because obviously he's Fauci.
tim pool
Take a look at this.
This is from NPR.
This one is for all of your liberal family members who are like, China's not stealing our DNA!
From NPR, China wants your data and may already have it.
They say as COVID cases began to rise, this is from 2021, a Chinese company contacted several U.S.
states and offered to set up testing labs.
As a byproduct, the Chinese firm Beijing Genomics Institute would likely gain access to the DNA of those tested.
The offer was tempting for states struggling to set up their own testing facilities for a new virus on short notice, but U.S.
national security officials urged the states to reject the offer, citing concerns about how China might use personal data collected on Americans.
As far as I know, they all turned them down.
So I tell people there was a fear that China was... I didn't say China stole it, I said there was a real fear that China was trying to get access to our DNA through COVID tests.
And I had liberal family members be like, Oh, that's not happening!
China's not trying to steal your DNA!
ian carroll
And then I'm like... Well, the moment Trump said China, everything about China is fake.
tim pool
I pull up my phone, grab NPR, and I go, here you go, read NPR.
I'm like, just read it.
And they're like, wait, what?
shane cashman
That's how they personalize weapons.
tim pool
Just like with Operation Northwoods.
I'm sure everyone's been through this.
You read what we are told is the official source, or what is the trustworthy, authoritative source, and then you're talking to a friend or family member, and you say, well, look at this crazy story, and they'll go, oh, shut up, that's crazy, that's not happening.
I was hanging out in New York with a friend of mine who's a famous comedian, and he's like a moderate guy, he's not really big into politics.
And he was asking me about, like, you know, you do a political show, like, so what's going on?
Like, people are calling you this, that, or otherwise.
It's a guy I've known for a long time.
And I was like, yeah, but it's like, in this day and age, if you are just following the truth, you're conservative.
And he was like, well, I don't know if that's true.
And I was like, no, I'll give you an example.
Abortion, right?
Democrats at the federal level were trying to codify abortion up to the point of birth.
Their argument was, if the woman's health was impacted in some way, negatively impacting the mother, she could get an abortion.
I mean, that sounds reasonable, right?
If the mother could die, then we want to preserve the life of the mother.
Okay, here's the issue.
The bill actually allows for abortion past a viability.
Meaning, if the woman is pregnant with a baby that could survive, The argument is, by having the baby, she dies, they can kill the baby.
My argument is, why not just end the pregnancy by having a c-section, the baby lives, the mother lives, and he goes, no, no, that can't be true.
And I was like, I am telling you right now, because it was a few years ago, I was like, I'm telling you right now, the Democrat bill is to allow abortions where they terminate the life of a baby that could survive on its own if it impacts the health of the mother.
And again, a lot of people don't think about what the ramifications would be.
It means it opens the door for legally, federally, everywhere, every state, for a mother at nine months, the baby could be born in a moment, and they say, well, you know, she might suffer a hemorrhaging, so let's just terminate the baby now.
ian carroll
And there are ways to legally compel women to have abortions against their will.
tim pool
So my friend, he said, I don't think this is true.
This can't be correct.
That sounds insane.
They would never allow that.
And I was like, my friend, I was like, I read this stuff all day, every day.
I pulled up the actual bill and I said, read section 13, read that right now.
And he reads and he goes, No, something's wrong.
This is not real.
unidentified
What is this?
tim pool
I was like, you're at congress.gov.
I'm like, this is the bill.
This is the bill they're voting on right now.
I'm not lying to you, dude.
And he was like, but the Democrats can't be doing this.
I mean, this can't be true.
And I'm like, this is the problem.
That there are people who live in this world of not reality, where they really do believe, just because in their heart of hearts they heard it to be true, that Democrats are good, Republicans are bad.
And no matter what you show them, they're like, no, this must be a trick.
And I'm like...
Bro, that's the bill.
Colorado has removed all restrictions.
For no reason, a woman can just terminate the life of a baby at nine months.
ian carroll
No, that's not real.
I mean, I was like that for most of my life.
I was raised Democrat.
Democrat parents.
Never really thought about it.
I just was like, I want to go skateboard and snowboard.
Like, not my deal.
And then, during Black Lives Matter, I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up.
We're burning cities now?
What is this?
Yeah, my friends were all going to Seattle to protest, and I was like, I'm going to stay, guys.
unidentified
Peace!
ian carroll
I actually don't think I need, like, I see the pallet of bricks on the livestream, and I'm like, That's weird.
tim pool
Yeah, why is that there?
ian carroll
I'm gonna stay and watch the live stream.
You guys go be safe.
shane cashman
Have fun with those Soros bricks.
ian carroll
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, the bricks thing was funny.
All of these just like pallets of bricks were lying around and everyone's like, why are those there?
And they're like, just coincidence.
ian carroll
And everyone on the left was like, no, that's fake.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian carroll
That can't be real.
They didn't do that.
That didn't happen.
tim pool
The funny thing is, I mean, in a lot of East Coast cities where they use brick sidewalks or have old brick sidewalks, the left just pulls the bricks out of the ground.
ian carroll
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
They don't need that.
ian carroll
They just don't have that in Seattle because it's a shithole.
tim pool
Man, you saw that video out of Seattle, that woman killing that other woman?
ian carroll
No, I try not to watch that shit.
tim pool
Uh, there's two women, uh, and one's got a gun and she's marching to the woman who's crying.
shane cashman
I can see this, yeah.
tim pool
Marches her out the door and then shoves her.
The other woman falls down and starts crying.
The woman with the gun walks back in, walks halfway up the stairs, stops, turns around, walks out the door, walks up to her, and then just shoots her and kills her.
It's wild.
Just like, why?
shane cashman
This is a stairwell one.
tim pool
Yeah.
shane cashman
Where she says, I want to be at your funeral or something.
tim pool
I don't know.
All I know is she says, hit you dead.
unidentified
You dead.
tim pool
And that's what's kicking her.
ian carroll
Yeah.
tim pool
And then someone else, you hear someone talking and then she looks over and then shoots at them.
Seattle.
Wow.
shane cashman
Hubs of nihilism and violence and despair.
ian carroll
I mean, at what point are we considering MKUltra to take away our gun rights?
Like, I'm not saying that I think that I'm just saying, like, at what point do we ask the question of like, because we know that they can, you know, make people go insane to some degree.
We know that like, there's no better, there's no better push for taking away guns.
Then look how dangerous guns are when they're in the hands of people with poor mental health that we have nothing to do with.
unidentified
Dave Deranged us.
tim pool
We're running up about five minutes left, so I'll just go as crazy as we can get.
Question for the panel.
If it turned out that there was a galactic federation of aliens that lived a predominantly classical liberal type of galactic federation society, And massively advanced technologies, and they desperately want to induct the Earth into the Galactic Federation and then grant us, you know, trans-dimensional technologies for traveling the star and colonizing new planets.
But they can't until we have a unified global governance, because a planet can't be admitted.
Would you then agree with globalism?
shane cashman
No.
unidentified
Ooh.
shane cashman
Nope.
ian carroll
Yeah, no.
shane cashman
I'm revolting against that.
ian carroll
I mean, we're a part of that moment in history, regardless of which side we take.
So like, we're already a part of how crazy that is.
So yeah, no.
shane cashman
There's no global harmony.
There's human nature and people should do what they want from wherever they're from, but the global situation can't withhold, it can't maintain itself.
tim pool
Think of it this way, right?
ian carroll
Revolution.
tim pool
There's a, let's say there's a country that is moderately successful developing Moderately educated.
Their GDP is around 17-18,000 per capita.
And so, you know, they're getting there.
And they say, we'd like to be admitted into, formally recognized by the UN, but there are 17 warring tribes.
No, no, no.
But in this country, there are 17 warring tribes.
And they're all demanding they get the seat at the table at the UN meeting.
And the UN says, which one of these people do we actually bring to vote on behalf of your country?
None of them can agree on who's in charge of this country.
Yeah, there's a bunch of beautiful things.
They all recognize the borders.
How are we supposed to induct them?
ian carroll
That is how it works.
tim pool
So imagine you've got gray aliens.
They're not trying to kill us or take over the planet.
They did turn off all our nuclear weapons in the 70s to prevent World War III.
And that's the most they're like, look, we're not gonna let you do this.
And then when the when the US government, China, Russia are in communications, they're like, look, man, if we say the US is the voice of Earth, Russia's firing nukes and then we have to intervene?
We can't do that.
We will not intervene and decide for humanity who will speak for humanity.
You need to unify your planet before you can join the Galactic Federation.
ian carroll
And that, honestly, it's a fair question because it gives, it lends an explanation to how these people could do such evil things on behalf of this globalist agenda and still see themselves as being in the right.
See themselves like, I'm part of a bigger thing than these little people could understand and it's a hard job that someone has to do.
shane cashman
It's like my favorite movie, one of them is Tombstone.
Those guys you think are the good guys, but they take everyone's guns away.
They're not really the good guys.
Love that movie.
Val Kilmer is the best in that movie.
tim pool
I'm your Huckleberry.
shane cashman
It's the best.
tim pool
I love it when he shoots the guy in the head and he goes, I believe the strain was too much for him to bear.
shane cashman
But they're also kind of the bad guys, right?
Cause they took away everyone's ability to arm themselves.
So anyone comes and says, you should not, you know, they'll turn off my way to defend myself.
Screw you.
I don't want anything to do with it.
tim pool
That's such a great line.
The strain was too much for him to bear after he shot him in the head.
Like, you think?
shane cashman
He's so good.
He was so good in that movie.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I love that line.
philip labonte
It's great.
tim pool
But yeah.
So, so the reason I ask that is the simple thing is, If evidence of aliens emerged, and this is why I think it's silly, it's not true, there's no Galactic Federation, right?
Obviously, there's no evidence to suggest there is, it's just a fun sci-fi thought.
shane cashman
Tomorrow they show up.
tim pool
No, but here's the thing, if the powers that be in these countries really wanted to unify the planet, they would fake a Galactic Federation.
Because that would actually convince a lot of people.
shane cashman
You're right.
tim pool
They'd say, your grandmother's cancer?
Cured.
Your father's Alzheimer's?
Cured.
But we don't get the technology until we're in the Galactic Federation.
unidentified
You are correct.
tim pool
So we have to form a unified global governing body so that we can send an envoy to the Galactic Federation on behalf of all of Earth.
And then people would be like, really?
Like, you'll live forever.
You'll be young again.
You could fly, teleport, all of these things are available, these technologies in the Galactic Federation, so long as you give us your power and your voice.
shane cashman
Let us control it all.
What you're describing is like an evolved version of the Project Bluebeam idea, where they, you know, a hologram in the sky to kind of create a world, a global unity behind it.
ian carroll
That one's fear-based and that one's hope-based, right?
unidentified
Right, right.
shane cashman
But it could be a fear base at first that turns into hope, you know, because like behind the fears is paradise.
tim pool
What if an alien Like, an alien ship came above Earth, and everyone's all shocked, and then the aliens come out, and they're humanoid, gray aliens, and they communicate in English, and they wheel in, like, three dying, like, cancer patients, and then they walk over, and then they take a device and go over the person, and the person stands up and says, I feel good.
And the doctor's like, his cancer is gone!
And the alien's like, all you have to do is submit and this can be yours.
shane cashman
Don't trust it.
It's like someone telling me to take Neuralink.
tim pool
Actually, you ever see the show Invincible?
shane cashman
No.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, uh, I like that show.
It's on Amazon.
It's like their third most popular show right now, or whatever, after, like, Fallout and some other show.
But it's basically, uh, there's a guy, so it's a superhero show.
There's a guy called Omni-Man.
Turns out he's an alien called a Viltrumite, who is an advanced force scout sent to Earth to basically learn how it operates, learn their defenses, figure out if they could resist, and then prepare the planet for invasion.
The Viltrumites believe, so the alien planet, was it Viltrum or whatever?
I don't know.
They lived in a brutal society where they would fight each other intentionally, killing intentionally everyone in the fight so that only the strongest would ever survive, ultimately creating Superman, a race of people who are all able to fly.
They're not invincible.
They live for hundreds of years.
And then there's a scene in the recent one where a cruise ship is about to be destroyed.
The hero, Invincible, he's half of Ultramite, so he's like Superman, basically.
And the alien comes and says, if it were not, like, he's like, I have to go and save these people, and she follows him.
He struggles.
There's a sea monster destroying the vessel.
He struggles.
She saves the ship, killing the monster instantly.
Boom!
And then she says, we are more advanced.
We are more capable.
The wealthy and the elite of your planet are sucking this resources dry and poisoning and killing your people.
If we come in, everyone will live prosperous lives.
Everything will be better.
Why don't you allow us to do it?
And he's like, I don't know.
I'm like, it's kind of weak writing 'cause I can certainly, he's like, we may not be perfect, but it's our choice or whatever. - Because there's no one definition.
shane cashman
There's no one definition for what prosperous means.
ian carroll
Yeah, right.
shane cashman
That's what the problem is.
tim pool
My response is quite simple in that the The planet is unworthy to join a galactic federation if it cannot overcome its own problems itself.
If you come in and you take the people and you form them into what you want them to be, then they may just be a plague on any kind of galactic federation.
But the general idea is, not to get into sci-fi stuff, the idea is, if there's a powerful elite group that feels they should be in charge because they can save lives, it's a devil's bargain.
It's not worth it.
You're going to end up with... You're going to end up like a...
Domesticated animal.
ian carroll
It's tyrannical.
tim pool
The tyranny begets a society that is unable to adapt and survive.
Humans have to overcome these things on their own.
If they do not, and someone does it for them, domesticated animals, what happens if you let the cows go?
They'll just all die.
Let the chickens out, they'll just all die.
They are domesticated and can no longer adapt and survive on their own.
Maybe after most of them die, some of them survive and some of them adapt and some of them evolved after the fact.
ian carroll
Another argument is homogeny is deadly.
The diversity of the planet, of humans in all these different pockets, with all the different religions, all the different beliefs, that's what keeps us growing, that's what keeps us thinking, that's what keeps us alive.
philip labonte
Too much homogeneity means that a single vector can destroy an entire species.
tim pool
Well, it is about that time, so I want to say thank you to everybody who hung out and watched the show.
It's a lot of fun.
Make sure you subscribe to Tenet Media.
Smash that like button.
We'll be back over at TimCastIRL tonight.
YouTube.com slash TimCastIRL.
Do you guys want to get any last words and then shoutouts before we wrap up?
ian carroll
Yeah, I just appreciate being here.
It was a great talk.
Thanks, man.
Looking forward to our talk later.
What's your social media?
I'm CancelCloCo on X and CancelThisClothingCompany.com has links to all my other socials.
Most of you guys probably know me from TikTok and you can find CancelThisClothingCompany on all the short form apps.
shane cashman
Right on.
philip labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
You can follow us on Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, Amazon Music, YouTube, you know, the Internet.
shane cashman
I am Shane Cashman everywhere, and Ian, Kellen, and I are taking over Pop Culture Crisis today.
So subscribe over to that YouTube channel.
That's a three, right?
tim pool
PopCultureCrisis.com.
ian carroll
Yeah, we're going to go deep on a lot of the ditty stuff we just talked about, a lot of the other- Yeah, we're going to go crazy.
Yeah, we're going to go real into it.
shane cashman
There'll be another few hours of us just going nuts.
Thanks for having me, guys.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
Yeah, I'll just second that.
At Pop Culture Crisis on YouTube at 3pm we're going to continue this conversation, sprinkle in a little bit of that Hollywood nonsense, but yeah, it's going to be a good time.
tim pool
Alright everybody, thanks for hanging out.
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