The Culture War #43 - Civil War, World War 3, National Security With Erik Prince
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the Culture War Podcast.
This is our, uh, not our last show of the year.
We actually have another show next week, but that will, that's a pre-record.
So this one is going to be live, and we're going to be talking about Civil War, World War III, foreign policy, national security, and there's a lot of stuff going on in the world, especially right now with, this is really funny, I did a search, because you know I love to, for Civil War, and one of the top stories was Donald Trump removed from ballot in Colorado.
Nothing in that story referenced in any way Civil War, but apparently... What's up?
Well, born and raised in Michigan, Navy vet, I was in the SEAL teams for a few years, built a business called Blackwater, a private military contractor, sold that in 2010, moved to the Middle East, worked on a project that ended Somali piracy, and I've done some investing in frontier markets since then, and now I've developed a new phone.
I don't know if I'm an expert, but I have a lot of scars and I have a lot of experience and I've seen what worked and the many things that governments try that do not work consistently.
The easy buzz topic is, you know, with Donald Trump's removal from the ballot in Colorado, now there's discussions in California to remove him.
They've already had numerous efforts.
There is, once again, and this has happened quite a bit, especially, you know, we talk about it, Civil War trending on Twitter, or Axe, or whatever, and a lot of people asking this question, especially with, I don't know if you saw the trailer for this new film that's coming out next year, Civil War.
You know, not to say that you would be an expert on what's happening in the United States and predicting the future, but you certainly have experience in foreign countries, and I'm curious, just kicking off this conversation, do you see any kind of analogs, correlations, or is there something you've seen overseas in military conflict that relates to what we're seeing now in the United States?
Well, in 1860, ten Democrat slave-holding states removed Lincoln from the ballot, which then resulted in a civil war when they seceded from the Union, which didn't want to threaten slavery.
So, it's a really bad practice for the Dems to try to do this.
It is, for all their claims of trying to protect democracy in the Republic, it's quite antithetical to it.
What I would say from a Civil War corollary, I have friends in What was Yugoslavia?
Which kind of blew up as a country in 91.
Serbia versus Croatia and Slovenia and Bosnia.
And their experience was, it was shocking how quickly it went tribal.
And everything that people had expected to be normal, stopped.
And the reason was, they feared it would be the end of slavery for them.
You had, I think it was, there were four candidates.
Abraham Lincoln's position was, no new slavery.
But, officially, he wasn't saying he wanted to end slavery at all.
He was just saying, in the new territories, as they become states, we will not allow this.
There were other candidates, there was one candidate, I forget their names, but he's just like, nah, I'm not gonna address the issue at all, we're gonna ignore this one.
There was one candidate, uh, I believe the Democrat actually, was like, we should allow it in the new territories.
Abraham Lincoln was actually more of the, like, somewhat neutral.
Those who have it can keep it.
For the new territories, we won't do it.
The fear, of course, was he's full of it.
The moment he gets in, it's going to be full-scale banning of slavery.
So, of course, they removed him.
And then before he even took office after the election, I believe it was seven states seceded.
And so this is before he was even president.
So, as much as I agree there's a solution there, there is still that fear historically that, you know, Donald Trump gets elected in November, and then I don't know about secession, because I think that was a particularly unique circumstance in terms of history, but I fear that come November, no matter what happens, we will not have a resolution to the election process.
In 1913, I don't think we've grown Congress, the number of legislators, of congressmen, still 435.
That's the same it's been since 1913 when the country was less than half the size.
So if we want a representative congress, and as much as I hate to say it, we actually should add more congressional people.
Maybe keep their staff size the same, but let them, instead of representing every six or seven hundred, eight hundred thousand people, Make it 400,000.
So they're actually much more responsive to smaller.
And that would, when you look at the electoral map of who voted for which party, rural and normal America obviously votes one direction.
And in that, in the more concentrated these positions become in cities, less represented rural America is.
Yeah, you were mentioning in Yugoslavia for instance that it happened so suddenly it went tribal.
I don't know, you're talking about these are your friends, but did you have any direct experience personally with like nations that have fallen in this way?
Where that's like flipped overnight or turned into like mass chaos?
The general premise is A biological weapon is released.
It's been a long time, so forgive me all the Deep Division fans.
A biological weapon is released.
You are in New York.
You are part of a clandestine government cell called the Division that is activated after the President invokes Directive 51.
Are you familiar with Directive 51?
Deep lore for you.
So, in 2008, George W. Bush, I think it was 08, it might have been 07, signed a National Security Directive, was it National Security Presidential Directive 51, which states that if there is a massive loss of life, or economic damage, or something to disrupt the continuity of government in the United States, the President basically pulls in a National Continuity Coordinator, who would then seize control.
Create some kind of single branch government to try and maintain continuity of government or something like that.
So that's the premise of the game.
You are one of these agents.
One of the components of the game is there are four factions you fight as you're in this New York post-apocalyptic, plague-ridden place.
And it's kind of silly, but there's like gang members, which makes sense, I guess, but then there's like firefighters, like people who are in the fire department all of a sudden just like start taking over parts of the city.
I don't get that.
But there's a private military contractor.
And so these are guys with military gear, you know, camo, high-powered weapons, APCs, etc.
And the general premise of the story is they were contractors for the government, but once everything collapses, they just go autonomous.
So, pure fiction, I suppose it's an exploration of what might happen.
But the reason I bring this up is to go back to, you know, we're talking about Yugoslavia, we're talking about everyone's got civil war on the mind.
I'm curious what do you think would happen with, and I don't necessarily like to say this of your organization or anything, do you think there is a reality where like a private military contractor, not to try and stage a coup or something, but would just become autonomous and start securing certain areas, securing resources?
The thing about the way the US government hires PMC support is it's for overseas security, protecting embassies, diplomats, key government facilities.
The idea of some standing garrison of PMCs in the United States doesn't really exist because there's not a place where all these guys live.
They live All across America.
They are veterans that are either prior military or prior law enforcement that have skill sets and they go and do it on a part-time basis working overseas just like an oil field worker as a roughneck goes and works on a rig for 60 days and then he takes 30 days home to tend his farm and then go back to the rig.
That's how the rotation is.
So There's an enormous pool of veterans out there and a lot of people with skill sets.
It would take an extraordinary budget to try to hire them as a PMC.
So I suppose this view of, you know, in the video game you have trucks and all these guys and they're in formation and you're securing a part of New York.
It's not the reality simply because when you guys contract it's like you call somebody who might be in St.
There is a, you know, when people say the name Blackwater, there's scandals and people think of only the worst things imaginable, I guess.
Most people probably don't know about the standard day-to-day operations or basic security stuff that you provided simply because of the news and, you know, you know what I mean?
So, like, I don't know, I find it interesting to hear that Yes, Katrina's really bad, but I wonder, was it relatively routine having guys come in to security?
I know it's extreme circumstances, but I don't know how to describe it other than, yeah, was like that mission for you guys, was it routine?
So again, the people that were rescued off their roofs and protected from, I mean, look, when our guys got to the French Quarter first on and got there before the Louisiana National Guard, there was bodies in the streets, not from the storm, but from the looters that had rampaged through the area.
So when you first arrive, you're saying you're coming in to provide security and rescue people, and there were already people who had been killed by, what would you call them?
If you look back, uh even at the videos you'll see people looting stores yeah and you'll see cops following them in looting as well yo this is so wild so you see but you see the apocalyptic you know videos of of things that spin out of control Stuff like that happens.
What movie was it recently where, um, what was it?
It's, there's like, it's a post-apocalyptic scenario.
I think it would have been The Last of Us, the show.
The guy's going in, maybe it wasn't, he goes into the pharmacy, he needs to get some medicine for his kid, he sees a cop walk in and he gets scared and the cop looks at him and just runs, starts looting and then runs out.
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Oh yes, not 28 Days Later, no.
It might be one of the new remakes of the Day of the Dead or Dawn of the Dead, one of those, but I know exactly the scene you're talking about.
And you're 100% right!
The thing is like, In a situation where you have the breakdown of your society or basically of law and order of authority, the police are going to take care of their families.
Like, if it gets into, like, you know... It gets tribal.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, and so you've seen... Have you actually been on the ground when, like, countries have, like, fallen apart or is it more like... Been really close.
Okay, so the... When you look at the United States and you see the political climate, like, we talk about this kind of stuff all the time, but It's also a little bit of a, you know, it's a theoretical exercise, I guess, or whatever, but I can, I often say I don't see an exit ramp because people keep making, I think the incentives are aligned against making things better in the U.S.
and do you see a similar scenario or do you see the kind of strife building here that you've seen in other countries or what's your take on it, I guess?
I think that's the point that's why we talk about it so much here is because of the I mean it's one thing to say I like my Amazon deliveries right which is everyone likes the modern world but it's totally different to look at Gaza and be like That is what you're talking about.
When you hear people talk about the Second Amendment and then they say, oh, well, you know, when the president says you would need an F-15 to defeat the United States, what he's talking about is turning neighborhoods into Gaza because men own rifles.
That's what he's talking about.
And that kind of talk coming from politicians is every bit as inflammatory as talk coming from podcasters or anything about, you know, or even right-wing nutjobs or whatever you want to call talking volatile conversations.
Or that you can mail a package from A to B. Or that you can even go to the store without having to be gunned up in a three-vehicle convoy just to get groceries.
That's the alternative that we're talking about.
When a high-trust society collapses into that level of mayhem, that's exceedingly ugly.
I think it's probably true that a large component of liberal voters come from safe, high-trust, affluent areas, or at least on the higher end.
In 2016, Vox.com said that the Democrats had become the party of the wealthy.
And I think that's fair to say because these people don't quite understand what you're saying about how bad it really is.
Michael Malice brings this up.
He's like, even the stuff we talk about isn't as bad as it could be when you look to history and authoritarianism, dictatorship, civil wars, war, conflict, and things like that.
Everybody knows I grew up in Chicago, a slightly lower trust area on the south side.
And it's funny because I certainly would never say that it was anything like war or conflict that you've seen.
But we understand, at least you had that lottery... I don't even call it a lottery tickets chance.
You maybe even had like a .5% chance.
Or maybe that's not fair.
No, actually, maybe .3.
That you could be shot at, at the very least, when you go to the store.
So, I would say, on the south side of Chicago, Uh, going to sleep, you'd hear gunshots.
For me, where I was, a couple times a year, close to where your house was, in a dense urban area, bang, bang, bang in the middle of the night, and you're just like, I wonder what's going on.
And, uh, I've had friends who'd seen bodies being dragged through the alley.
I don't want to make it seem like, you know, every day you go outside, you're running from bullets.
But we certainly had, everybody had their story of someone pointing a gun at them, or of someone running on the street after being in a gunfight.
Things like that, you know, put me in a more moderate position in terms of policing and security.
But then I look to a lot of these, you know, more affluent liberal types, and they're like, abolish the police, we don't need it.
I know, and I'm thinking like, your wealthy white suburb will be the first to be conquered by barbarians when you no longer have security.
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Southern Connecticut has a problem.
That's always what I think of when you talk about that kind of stuff.
It's like Calabasas and just Greenwich in Connecticut.
I feel like Naperville, Illinois will be conquered in two seconds.
Gangs from Chicago are in a bit.
There's a lot of money, a lot of people, and they do not own guns.
And then, very quickly, if things were to fall apart.
unidentified
Yeah.
So I wanted to ask your opinion on the Ukraine war.
It's my opinion that there was never really a possibility without NATO interference that Ukraine would retain the borders that it had before Russia invaded.
I think the people that are talking about going, you know, getting Crimea back and stuff are clowns.
And I think that the idea that Without the United States, that Ukraine could stop Russia from taking the whole country.
I think that's a joke as well.
I feel like the best option that we have is to convince Ukraine to not surrender, but to negotiate with Russia and convince Russia to negotiate as well.
But I also think that there's so much money laundering going on over there that there's not an incentive for the feds to actually put that kind of pressure on the active players.
First, trying to out conventional war the Russian army is a bad idea.
Especially when you just don't have the manpower that they do.
Second, if the Ukrainians had been given and they were able to fully function with all the equipment early on, There's a chance they could have broken through and done some kind of maneuver warfare campaign.
Because the Russians know exactly the axis of approach that they're going to come.
The Russians build the same kind of defenses that they would have done just north In the Battle of Kursk, the summer of 43 was the biggest tank battle in military history.
And there was a there was a bulge in the line of the Soviets and the Germans were trying to break through from the north and south around the city of Kursk.
But because the the allies had broken the Enigma code, they knew what the Germans were planning down to unit position everything else and the Russians found out and they built Three and five layers of defenses, which just ate all the the German attacks, and it was the last offensive action the Germans took on the Eastern Front.
That's exactly what the Russian army did to the Ukrainians this last summer.
They knew they were coming, and wherever they attacked, they just ate it.
Between, I mean, doing high-end maneuver warfare is really hard.
The Russians do electronic warfare quite effectively.
And if they did have a breakthrough, they're able to so minefields via rockets, artillery, and even from aircraft from helicopters.
So Demographically, Ukraine needs to make a deal, because at this point, all they're doing is chewing up their next generation of manpower, of manhood.
bias that our equipment is so spectacular that it will defeat any and all.
And I think what Our kamikaze drones, loitering munitions, all this techno wizardry stuff, which was designed to work against ISIS, not designed to work against the nation-state with massive levels of electronic warfare, meaning jammers,
Localization so that if you so much as emit, turn a radio on and transmit in unfriendly territory, you're DF'd, direction found, and getting smashed with artillery rounds within minutes.
This is, I believe, more commonly known today as the Zap Brannigan strategy.
It's a Futurama.
So in the show Futurama, there is a doofus military leader named Zap Brannigan who says he defeated the Killbots by sending wave after wave of his own men until the Killbot count limit was maxed and they shut down automatically.
So, but the idea that the Russians were just like... I mean, famously they built... One more into the breach.
It was crappy tanks, it was crappy guns, but a lot of them, and they just said, flood the zone.
provided And I don't take away from any vet that fought in World War Two, they went through hell in the Western Front as well.
But it was American industry that made it possible for Zhukov to go from Moscow all the way to Berlin.
Because you think about that, even back then, the German army was almost 50% still in horses, like using horses dragging wagons for support of the battlefield, not vehicles.
And I think especially what we're seeing nowadays.
So this is interesting too because, you know, growing up with more liberal friends, punk rock, anarchists.
Oh, they say the the Korean War, Vietnam, these were all big mistakes.
And I think it's easy to say in hindsight, you know, like growing up being like, oh, here are the failures.
It was a mistake.
But I'm wondering now looking at, you know, it was a very different picture back then that I wasn't alive for.
I'm wondering if The fears that people have today over communism and the Marxist sentiments that are emerging in the United States among the left and universities.
I'm wondering if, is that what the military leaders saw with the Soviet expansion?
This communist force was going to dominate global resources and then become this international dictatorship?
I'm just wondering, was there a legitimate fear of the spread of communism that, you know, the view that I'm told when I'm growing up is...
Military contractors, the military-industrial complex, they want to make money, they want to maximize profits and revenue, and they see war as a means of driving that vehicle.
So, whenever there's an opportunity, okay, we gotta invade, be it, like, the Gulf of Tonkin for a false flag.
The general view I have, that I'm told about from activists on the left, is there's no legitimate military reason to oppose the communist forces rising in other parts of the world.
Is there actually an argument for this, or was it just foolishness?
Ho Chi Minh, what screwed us up in Vietnam was the French.
Because Ho Chi Minh as a young man actually had a Statue of Liberty model in his backyard when he lived in France.
And it was because France wanted to be able to retain Vietnam as a colony that they got into it with the then Viet Minh.
You've heard of the Battle of Dien Bien Phu when the French were surrounded and they they had to surrender and that really led to the French collapse.
Now that caused a partition of kind of the communist area in the north and some kind of a southern free Vietnam, but When, when the US got dragged in to backing up a very corrupt South Vietnamese government, yeah, we didn't want the whole place to fall and let all of Indochina become communist.
But, you know, America, whether it's supporting Diem, or supporting Karzai, or Ashraf Ghani in Afghanistan, we have a bad habit of picking really idiot leaders to back.
What should have happened after 9-11 is what happened in the first six months was, I would say, more like a Roman punitive raid, right?
In the Roman Empire, when something on the empire did something bad, they'd send the hammer and bring it down.
And that's, you know, the Taliban, Al Qaeda were truly running for their lives for the first six months after 9-11.
That worked.
A few hundred SAF backed by airpower smashed the hell out of the Taliban.
It's when the conventional forces arrived, big military industrial complex.
And it's not just the industry, it's all the generals in the Pentagon, because we have way too many of them, all want to get there to the war zone to get their promotion stars.
When we allowed that, we basically went sideways for the next 19 and a half years.
And for whatever improvements in society that were made, and there were a lot, it was all flushed.
And we were defeated by, you know, illiterate goat herders that were using weapons that have been designed 70 years before.
What an embarrassment.
That is not how a superpower conducts itself.
I tried to give Trump a, an off ramp to let the Afghan government stay in place, let the US forces leave, it would have cost less than 5% of what the US spend was.
And yes, it did involve using contractors.
But it's the same way that the East India Company used built capacity in India.
And it used contractors attached to each Afghan battalion, living with, training with, fighting with, a little bit of air support, and to control their logistics supply, it would have kept the Afghan forces intact, it would have kept the Taliban at bay, and as a society they could have functioned and it would not be, trust me, we've not heard the last of Afghanistan.
As much as we want to ignore it, there's a lot of shitheads showing up there and a lot of other badness fomenting.
I mean, I'd given... Steve Bannon asked me to write an op-ed in the spring of 2017, right as we're about to have this policy discussion, laying out a different path.
Trump reads the editorial, circles it, At the Oval Office desk, calls the National Security Advisor saying, I don't like your plan.
I like this one.
Do this.
Now, that National Security Advisor was a three-star general, an armor officer from the Pentagon who wanted his fourth star, and he's not going to do anything counter to what the Pentagon wants.
That was a problem for Trump.
He never really controlled his security apparatus.
I think that was a, can we wait this out and hope someone else gets in so we can keep our plan going.
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Yeah, but also like if it's from the brass of the Pentagon, then they're thinking, you know, hey, how can I, you know, help this massage my career because I want to be able to make general or get another star or what, you know, get a whatever kind of promotion or whatever.
So instead of drilling oil that was inside Afghanistan and producing it, taking care of it all, and empowering the entire country, instead it was trucked across Afghanistan.
And no general ever called bullshit on this to say, Stop.
You've got what appears to be a military apparatus that acts as though it's a chicken with its head cut off.
So, the only thing I see is just everyone's sort of looking around at each other, shrugging, and trying to get as much money out of the system as possible before it all goes belly up.
Some dude can spend 20 hours building a house of cards and you can flick a pebble and the whole thing comes crashing down.
That's what it feels like.
That's what I feel like we're watching, especially going into 2024 with all this stuff.
You've got No one, you know, bless her heart, we had Marianne Williamson on the show last night.
She's a very nice woman.
She's very lovely.
She's a liberal.
And in that, her core principles we very much agree with.
But with all due respect, I believe that she is very misinformed or uninformed on some of the top issues.
You know, she wants to talk policy.
She wanted to talk about, you know, what do we do with abortion?
What do we do with this?
And we talk about topical news on TimCast IRL.
In her view, it's like, these aren't things that the political debates are about when you're running for office.
And I'm like, this is the headline news story for, say, like, the New York Times, or this is culturally what people are wired into, and there are too many people in this country.
The reason I use her as an example, again, not to be disrespectful, we think she's very lovely.
There are too many people in this country who are just absolutely not paying attention and it seems like there's nobody driving this ship and we're gonna crash.
It's probably time for people to tune out of Sunday Afternoon and Monday Night Football and pay attention to what's happening in their crumbling country.
unidentified
The point that we were talking, I think we both discussed earlier, or both of you mentioned earlier, was talking about like your local fire departments and people focusing on their local areas and being involved in their communities.
I don't know how to inspire people, especially when you've got urban areas where People are stacked on top of each other.
I understand that it becomes less personal the more people you have around as the anonymity that crowds allow you.
But when it comes to more suburban and rural areas, what do you think What do you think would inspire people to take more ownership of their own community?
Because that's really how you get people to have the most positive effect on their own lives and also the people around.
The community that you live in should be where your focus is.
The president doesn't matter a whole lot when it comes to your day-to-day life.
Everything not specifically delegated to the federal government remains the sole purview of the states.
And I think COVID and the nonsense around that was a great reminder, a great wake-up call that local governments matter.
Your mayor, your county commissioner, your school board, That matters.
And so yeah, you start to see some of that wake up and people paid more attention to that local community.
But always the centers of community have always been houses of worship and schools and people being more involved there and doing charity through that is super important.
That's what ties communities together.
But the more that communities and then states can flex up and say no to Washington, even saying to Washington, fuck off.
We're not doing this, this, and this because this is not in your mandate and on these things we will push back hard.
I feel like people don't even know who their neighbors are anymore.
You know, churches used to be where people would gather and they would see their neighbors and they would talk, but we live in this digitized social order now.
People don't talk to their neighbor, they're not coordinated, they're not organized, they never meet, and now everyone lives online.
I think this is a huge component in why it seems like everything is falling apart.
Because people are finding community and culture with people they don't live anywhere near.
And then in the immediate, in where they live, you look at the big cities.
Homelessness, feces in the streets, drug abuse.
But instead of being focused on the things outside your door, people are on the internet focused on things unrelated to the streets right in front of their houses.
I'm saying this is like, the news that people care about is someone else deal with the hardship and the problems.
I don't want to think about the homelessness, I don't want to think about the crime, but then you actually have, for tribal reasons, you've got people on the internet, prominent left-wing commentators arguing it's not really happening, the crime isn't happening, they're lying about it, the mass migration crisis is not happening, it's almost like...
Not only are there people who don't care about what's happening outside their doors, there are people who care about maintaining lies with other people on the internet, which actually substantially makes the problem worse.
unidentified
That brings up a question that I want to ask.
Do you see behind closed doors with the people that you know in the government and Contracting and stuff.
Do you see any very little interaction with the government anymore?
No.
Okay.
All right.
Well your old context because you have to see I mean, I'm sure you're aware of the the you know, the way that the the Pentagon has been Jumping into social, uh, social issues and, and things like the, a lot, a lot of, a lot of really crazy things.
And I'm wondering if you see, if you see that, if you, if you do see that kind of like the, the social craziness, Seeping into the military, and if you know of anyone in the military that has said anything about, you know, no people actually do know this is crazy and there's actually things being done about it.
Because I really feel like the military no longer has lost its focus on what its job was.
I just, I'm imagining, you know, you're a private military contractor, you get a call, say, we've got this serious crisis, there's looters, there's murder, there's shooting, we need the best of the best to come and help secure this, and then you go- So we need to borrow your HR department.
Well, no, no, but then I'm imagining a woke PMC being like, we could get the best guys, but there's too many white ones.
So let's go ask these guys over here.
And then you just get wiped out by bandits.
These guys, you know, I, I, I, that one seems obvious meritocracy matters, but a lot of people don't care at the lower level of, of the, like, you know, national security people, they don't underestimate the importance of security, but you know, like if they're going to hire a journalist, They'll be like, ah, who cares?
Well, how do you determine who's meritocratic in journalism?
So they'll go for the diversity hires.
But if you're talking about life and death and warfare and recruiting is becoming a component of recruiting is now, are you the right race or identity?
What's going to happen when our very diverse, 90 pound soaking wet, you know, otherly abled individuals meet the Russian forces on the front line?
How many elites sitting in Washington today have sons or daughters serving in any capacity?
No.
So that's a, we have a complete divorce of elites making the decisions versus people living with those consequences.
And so, you know, but what did Rome do when they had that kind of loss at the Battle of Cannae?
They sent Scipio Africanus Who wiped out, he said, Carthage must be destroyed.
You want to see what a proper ruler would do to the Houthis gathering in the streets, having shut off the straits, saying, and what they're saying, death to America, death to Israel, victory over Islam.
And then everyone will blame Biden and Trump will get reelected.
That's the end result of all of it.
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I was more thinking about the people that are going to say, oh, it's bad to use military action to prevent the Houthis from stopping trade.
If you mess with global trade, it's not... People don't get it, man.
People so quickly go and say, well, you know, it's the capitalists and they start blaming capitalism and saying that it's rich people that are being hurt, blah, blah, blah.
But really what happens is the fact that we have The trade routes that we do and international trade that we do means that poor people can get the things they need to survive.
Economics translates into lives saved and there are too many people that hate capitalism that love to go ahead and start attacking capitalism because of these kind of things.
One, they coordinate information, meaning they receive information and they pass information.
And two, they release energy.
You move the ship from here to there, march that formation from over there, or fire that weapon.
The problem in America is our cost of energy of those weapons has gotten crazy expensive.
That's been exposed very clearly in the Ukraine war.
All these weapons systems might be spectacular on the drill field, but way too expensive and not very reliable, and now very clear in the straits of the Bab el-Mandab as well.
And I don't think these people who have been supporting the funding and the war in Ukraine know anything about supply chain, economics, fuel costs, energy costs, energy return on energy invested.
I don't think they understand any of these things.
I don't think they understand food requirements.
You know, when Joe Biden famously said, you know, what was he talking about, like a civil war or whatever, and said, you're going to need an F-16 and nukes to go up against the United States.
And I'm like, tell that to the Taliban, to the Viet Cong.
I mean, come on.
But at the same time, when you see these memes talking about, and I don't mean to bring it back to domestic stuff and civil war, but I just mean military conflict in general, Ukraine, for instance, food.
If men are not eating, they are not fighting.
And your multi-million dollar rocket systems may as well be a brick sitting in the middle of the field.
Yeah.
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So you talk about Magic the Gathering, I used to play too, and one of the, so they, you know, they made novels that go along with the stories in like the Urza Saga stuff.
Like all the novels were about building the artifacts.
It was all about logistics, all about mining and blah blah blah, because they, you know, they want to tie in the land and the artifacts and stuff.
The Everyone thinks about the guys that are on the ground that are getting into the gunfights.
That's what the military is when they think about it.
And really what, what the military kind of modern military is, is bringing modernity with you.
Just like you'd said earlier is like the, the, the concept of just drill where you are, get the oil that's there out, refine it there and make the fuel that you need.
Like that's something that your average person would never think about.
Like they don't think about that.
That kind of logistics, that type of infrastructure being built on the fly.
You know, it's funny when we talk about, say, the Civil War, Gettysburg.
I've got a Union Civil War rifled musket right over there that I got from an antique store.
And I was watching a documentary on the Battles of Gettysburg when I was in Gettysburg, it's only 40 minutes away, and it was really fascinating to hear about the Confederates' use of breech-loading rifled muskets versus the Union at the time.
They had begun using The Confederates were using muzzle loaders, and the Union started using breech loaders, which rapidly increased their speed.
And we're all so fascinated by it.
Wow!
The Confederates never saw it coming.
The Union soldiers had these paper cartridges they could breech load, and very, very quickly, relative to the muzzle loading, And then no one ever talks about how did any of these guys eat food because that's substantially more important when you've got... How many soldiers?
It's fascinating that people grossly underestimate the most powerful weapons in war.
They assume it's weapons and bombs.
And I love giving, I've been watching this Dr. Stone, it's an anime, manga, but there's a really great line in it where the story is simple, restarting civilization from scratch, oversimplified.
And there's a conflict between two tribes.
But they have modern... One guy has modern scientific understanding because it's a post-apocalyptic kind of scenario.
He says, we're gonna build the most powerful weapon mankind has ever created.
And the other guy goes, don't tell me.
You're gonna make nuclear weapons.
And he goes, no.
Radio.
He's got a cell phone.
I think it's silly, but he builds a radio.
And he's like, once we have the ability to communicate at the speed of light, we will outflank and defeat our enemy and engage in information warfare and control them outright.
And people don't realize these things.
They assume it's like, yeah, well, he's got an F-16 and nuclear weapons.
You can't win.
China is sending TikTok over here to turn your children into a bunch of morons.
A lot of people want to define war as only when the actual shooting starts.
The reality is, it is a spectrum of conflict that goes from disagreement on an issue to all the steps, all the continuum of leverage that someone can apply, whether it's soft power, sanctions, economic leverage, etc.
It's more than just territory, it's more than just... And I say Judeo-Christian, I mean a republic government with...
Magna Carta, U.S.
Constitution, that kind of society where the man's role in the state is defined that an individual has rights and the government has limited power to affect that person.
That philosophy is very much in conflict with the Chinese Communist Party, which wants to rule everything and make it and re and reimagine not remake the societies in their image.
It used to be, I believe, 55 miles an hour was the most efficient speed to maintain based on, like, gear ratio or whatever, but I don't think that's true today.
We're supposed to have an executive and a legislative and judicial, but we have a permanent, unelected, unaccountable, Bureaucracy that does whatever the hell they want and they must be brought to heel.
Early on, before the civil service, it was the paradigm that civil service were above politics and would never tilt towards one party or the other.
That's kind of the rules that made it so that civil service can't be fired.
Andrew Jackson, before that, said, well, if a government's elected, they should be responsible for everybody that's in the government and should be able to hire and fire anybody from bottom to top.
Look at how much money and how much capital has been redirected by the ESG crowd to literally trying to remake the entire energy industry into doing green stuff with no economic basis, just off a feeling.
Horrific.
I think the pendulum is starting to swing back, but it needs to swing back harder and faster.
You know, typically what we hear from these activists is lies about it, and I think this shows that one of the problems we have, particularly, you know, again, to single out your default liberal, They don't want a solution.
They want a problem that they can monetize.
So that you will give them money, so the government will give them money, and then they can live in penthouses in big cities.
Sadly, there's an entire NGO industry that has grown up around government as a...
Second layer of lobbying right you have lobbyists that are paid and they declare I'm lobbying for this industry But then you have NGOs which basically serve as staffing agencies for political parties To feed back into the Washington system and and advocate broader, and it's just it's just corruption again this all comes back to unlimited ability to print money Washington would be less stupid if it didn't have as much money to spend.
And so we have 33 trillion in debt.
We need to go on a diet.
We need some hard economic realities and cuts.
We need to do, someone like Millet needs to do that to the U.S.
Three days or three minutes without air You know, maybe maybe maybe unfortunately I hate to say it but there's got to be some kind of reset I am NOT advocating for shutting down all energy or anything, but I'm saying people have become so fat and happy and complacent and ignorant to the requirements of human beings survive that there are people who you know, I love this meme where it's a man and a woman standing on there it's a cliff and
And there's a beautiful city and they're standing on it, they're hugging, and below it is a bunch of soldiers holding it up.
I don't think these people in cities, when they say things like abolish the police, they don't know what life is like without security.
Like you mentioned, having to get an armed convoy to go to the store to pick up groceries or something.
I mean, I don't know, do you want to explain what it's like living in a zero-trust society or in a conflict?
Venezuela already sits on more hydrocarbons, more oil than anywhere else on the planet, even more than Saudi Arabia.
Their little neighbor, Guyana, a former British colony to the east, made a huge discovery with Exxon four years ago, and they've now brought it into production.
Guyana is the fastest growing economy in the world.
Venezuela has gone well off the cliff of socialism.
They went through their Chavez revolution, pure socialism, now this clown Maduro is in charge, and it's very much a gang of... and interestingly, they're supposed to have an election next fall.
Now, the Biden administration relaxed sanctions against Guyana in exchange for them having this election.
Maduro is doing his best to block anyone from running against him and getting him removed from the ballot.
The woman who's running against him, Maria Karina Machado, great libertarian candidate, he actively blocks everything she tries to do.
If she goes to a hotel, the hotel is closed the next day by the tax authorities.
If she goes to a restaurant, closed the next day by the regulatory authorities.
So what Maduro is doing to Machado is very much similar to what Biden is doing to Trump nationwide.
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I was just going to say that it sounds like a more extreme version of what the Democrat Democrat establishment would like to do to political dissidents here.
Yep, for sure.
I'm sure you've heard of Media Matters and the lawsuit that's being brought against them because they really are just an entire organization dedicated to writing political hit pieces.
So After this woman, Maria Carina, wins the primary to run against Maduro, the Venezuelans get spooked, the Maduro cloud, and they roll out a 130-some-year-old property dispute claiming That all this, about 70% of Guyana actually belongs to Venezuela.
It turns out that's where all the oil and gas is.
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Yeah, but they made that claim like before though, isn't it?
But because of the sanctions and other screw-ups, it's fallen.
So them taking a huge chunk of Guyana is good math for them.
If they did that, it would bump up the Venezuelan economy by like 25%.
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But it would be temporary because as soon as...
The government of Venezuela gets in charge of that area, the same thing that happened to Venezuela is going to happen to that area.
Oh, yeah.
Oil will just stop.
Yeah.
I mean, that's part of the problem they're having now is, I mean, they have, like Eric said, they have plenty of resources for themselves.
They can't get out of the ground because the people that know how to get it out of the ground either got out of there or they killed or, you know, they stole.
Yeah, they stole the infrastructure from ExxonMobil who built it in the first place, and the people that are running it don't know how to get oil out of the ground.
So that problem is only going to be the same problem in the new area they occupy.
They can defend their their oil fields Guyana has money they can spend money on buying defense capacity from wherever they need To defend their territory.
It's not something you have to send US troops to be involved in that's the best but there's plenty of capacity that they can buy or they can rent and they need to do something soon and Yeah, I mean, it's kind of fascinating.
How do you actually find that specific Assequibo dispute?
They say it's going back to the 15th century.
I don't know, I suppose...
Yeah, I just, I don't want Venezuela to move in.
I have concerns about, you know, what we can talk about World War III.
You know, what really frustrates me is, when I say something like civil war, people immediately think 1861, and they don't think Bolshevik Revolution, they don't think Weimar Germany, they don't think Spain, or Syria.
Other civil wars have happened, and they're very, very different to what happened here in the United States.
And when we talk about World War III, they assume it means the US versus Russia, or something.
And I'm like, no, no, no.
World War could be Venezuela is in full-scale war in South America.
The invasion of Guyana triggers some kind of territorial dispute.
Brazil is on the borders there as well.
Tensions are escalating.
Then you've got Middle East.
You've got Iran.
You've got the Red Sea conflict.
Now you've got Eastern Europe.
And then China invades Taiwan.
There is hot conflict happening in every region of the globe.
You have a world war.
I'm wondering if, like, what is the likelihood of either that version or a full-scale, like, hot conflict between U.S.
I gotta think about who the provocateurs are behind Venezuela doing this.
Cuba had attached itself as a client state, like a tick, onto the Soviet Union and they received huge aid from them until 91 when the Soviet Union collapsed.
Then Cuba was kind of on its own and they drifted and they attached themselves to Venezuela.
First with doctors, then with military intelligence advisors, but there is significant Cuban presence and muscle inside Venezuela.
There's significant Russian and Iranian capacity there now as well.
Cuba could take it for themselves and then they're feeding all of Cuba with with Guyana oil.
Hezbollah, the Lebanese proxy force.
Look, when the Lebanese civil war happened in the 70s, you had a huge amount of talented people, a lot of Lebanese Christians and Sunnis that fled All over the world, and they settled in a lot of different small spots.
And they built really good trading networks.
And Hezbollah, as a terror organization, has built on those trading networks, especially for drugs and arms trafficking now all through South America, and getting very established in Venezuela.
And look, the reason Venezuela was called the City of Gold, or El Dorado, is because there's a ton Gold and oil and resources in the country it is a that is a place to be pillaged in their mind and they're doing it now What do you think the chances of the United States invoking the Monroe Doctrine and and Becoming Well, the interesting the interesting thing about the vote.
I think it was a double fuck you to America and Is that Venezuela declared this vote on the 200th anniversary to the day of the Monroe Doctrine, of the announcement.
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And that probably, I imagine that was not an accident.
For anyone that is listening and doesn't know the Monroe Doctrine is basically the United States saying any countries from the Eastern Hemisphere have no business meddling in the affairs in the Western Hemisphere and we will get or the United States will get cranky about it and by cranky I mean drop bombs.
No, but I mean, I don't I don't know what you know, Trump would do should there should Trump win look this this speaks to The need for American foreign policy and I agree with you.
We have too many military interventions Way too many but when you think about the getting we talked about what is what is war?
It's a continuum of conflict.
Mm-hmm You think about the continuum of options you have to deal with that.
You have diplomats and embassies, conferences, okay?
Diplomats for that.
And then you have, on the other end, you have aircraft carriers and tank divisions and big weapons.
The middle, the 80% of the middle, is the intelligence community.
With covert action that can be done to shape those outcomes so that the big, big green machine never has to get involved.
When after 9-11 happened, when the president went to Camp David to say, what the hell do we do?
The Pentagon, while its headquarters was still smoldering.
Said, we want to do a mechanized invasion of Afghanistan from Pakistan with 45,000 man unit.
But we're not going to do that until the following April.
That's the best the Pentagon came with.
It was the CIA that said, money, authorities, and in three weeks, the flies will be walking on the eyeballs of our enemies.
It was Kofor Black, the head of the Counterterrorism Center, and that worked.
They took less than 100 agency and special operations guys backed by air power and smashed the Taliban.
In the 80s.
And so I can give you lots of examples of small, impotent application of force that affects the battlefield.
In the 80s, the Sandinistas, you had a communist government in Nicaragua, actively cooperating with the Cubans and the Soviets, and they were pushing all kinds of weapons and problems into El Salvador.
So the agency modified one boat, basically a big scarab, put a one-inch chaingun, a 25-millimeter chaingun in the bow of it, and one little bird with rockets.
Smashed the ability of the enemy to resupply.
No big DoD involvement at all.
Small footprint.
Works almost every time.
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This is, what you're outlining here, it's reminiscent of the kind of operation that Schenck was talking about wanting to see in Gaza, which is, you know, special forces kind of idea.
Now, I don't know that the application would work.
Texas understands drilling and horizontal drilling technology has gone a long ways where it can go miles and miles and miles and hit a one meter target for for exploration or for for telecom or whatever.
And There was some articles printed, but I think they are now flooding the tunnels with seawater.
As any building where you have a busted pipe, water is a pretty unstoppable force.
There's a lot of people think that there are going to be riots upon the actual announcement of whatever the announcement will be after the 4th of November.
I think that there's going to be problems leading up to it.
So there was a hundred-plus far-left extremists who stormed into the government property through the fences.
I believe they firebombed some construction equipment.
And now 60-plus are being charged with state-level, very serious charges.
The federal government doesn't seem to care at all.
But, if we're coming into 2024, and you see, you know, Brian Kemp says, security corridor, we're locking this down, we're gonna defend, we're gonna have police, the far leftists are gonna use that.
I'm not saying you don't do it, I'm just saying...
There's a component in which the far left then says, see, everything we told you was correct, and uses it as a recruiting tool.
The fear I have with this is, it's like, it's a tower that's wobbling left and right, and the more we try to stabilize it, the more it just grows and starts wobbling further and faster and faster.
I think the challenge is, there is no central force in this country.
There is no, perhaps seven years ago, I'm having these conversations about the fear of civil war with the rising tensions.
We saw people fighting in the streets.
I'm at the Trump rallies in 2015 when they're beating elderly people.
And then we start seeing these articles pop up, people talking about it.
I was told over and over again by these conservative influencers, it's impossible for there to be a civil war in this country because the central state, the federal government powers, security apparatus would never allow tribal faction fights to escalate.
The only problem now is the federal government is a component of the tribalism.
The targeting of Trump supporters and the ignoring of the far left extremists.
So, if you look at January 6th, for instance, we were talking to Marianne Williams the other night.
I ask about the J6ers who are being criminally charged, and Marianne's response is, generally, well, the jury's decided.
If this person should go to prison, they should.
That's how the system works.
And then I ask about the May 29th insurrection, to which she says, what was that?
When they firebombed the White House, forced the President into the emergency bunker, set fire to St.
John's Church, 70-plus police officers are injured.
She said, I don't know anything about it.
How can we have stability when you have far-left extremists... I mean, I gotta be completely honest, the threat of violence from the far-left outweighs the right to such a psychotic and extreme degree, but that is not the perspective of your default liberal, or even a presidential candidate, because the only thing they hear in the press is the far-right is bad.
It was stupid, but it was not insurrection because it would be the first insurrection in history to show up unarmed in a country with like 300 million personally owned firearms.
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The idea of it being insurrection is just for political usefulness.
But on the far left, we've had four occupations and those are large scale.
What people don't even include in the occupations in Portland, roving bands of armed far-left extremists have been taking over street corners, aiming rifles at trucks.
There was a famous, I shouldn't say famous, but there was a well-known story where a truck driver got out and aimed his 9mm at a far-left extremist who had a 5.56.
And I'm like, that's happening on the streets of this country.
The media, it's not a pressing issue.
That going into 2024?
Oh boy.
If you've got far-left extremists that are willing to firebomb police vehicles, the White House, they firebombed a federal building in Portland for 90 plus days and only a small handful of people ever get charged for this.
So again, the people that are in positions of, the people that have sworn an oath in positions of responsibility, those chiefs of police, State police, governors, have to do their job.
I do think there needs to be a security play in place, but here's my fear.
I can't say at what probability this would be, but what do we know right now about how the media operates in this country alongside the escalation of political tribal tensions?
If the far-right farts, it is headline New York Times, the end is nigh.
If a far-leftist murders someone in cold blood, nobody touches the story.
David Dorn shot and killed during the Summer of Love riots, and they say the far-right is dangerous.
In fact, Kamala Harris solicits donations, Joe Biden's staff pays donations to get these people out of jail.
When I would say, oh, these are Bernie guys that were mercilessly beating people in the streets.
And how did you know that?
Oh, the guy was wearing a Bernie shirt.
What do you want me to say?
A twenty-something year old man with a Bernie shirt punched another guy in the face.
What else can you want me to say?
My fear would be this.
Uh, local police are instructed, guys, we're having a political, uh, it's a primary night, and Donald Trump is doing this thing or otherwise, uh, we need to be on high alert.
Police go out.
Far-left extremists throws a brick at a cop's face.
Fight breaks out.
Far-left extremists gets, you know, in the scuffle, beaten, and arrested.
The media then reports, police mercilessly beat peace activists unprovoked.
Something to this effect.
The media will lie, they will cover it up, they will blame the cops when a far leftist does something psychotic or extreme.
The body camera footage didn't come out fast enough, and it should have because it changed a lot of the context.
I still think there's issues there for sure, but during Occupy Wall Street, I'm live-streaming.
Or actually, this is a common occurrence with Occupy Wall Street.
I'm out live-streaming a protest.
It is all raw, real-time, from start to finish.
Activists and I would say corporate press activists, I don't want to call them journalists, We'll say nothing about my broadcast.
The moment a far-left extremist chucks a bottle at a cop, they say nothing.
When the cop responds, they instantly tweet, police are now beating protesters.
They then say, look, he's been live the whole time.
This is a live stream of the police, unprovoked, beating protesters.
Even though you could have watched the whole thing raw, in real time, they wait until only the police are reacting and then blame the police for doing it.
Now, that being said, police have instigated some of these fights of the rights I've been.
I'm not saying it's not the case, but what you'll get is...
There's a viral video, Occupy Wall Street, their media activists put out, where it shows a cop swinging his baton violently, just striking protesters who are holding their hands up.
What did they cut from the video?
The protesters first hitting the cops and ripping the barricades down and shoving the police, to which a cop in panic starts swinging wildly and blindly.
A text without a context is a pretext for trouble.
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It's the same thing that Hamas—well, maybe not Hamas.
Well, Hamas does definitely, but I've seen a lot of that kind of stuff.
People that attack Israeli soldiers in Israel, they'll show the part where the Israeli soldier is fighting back or is kicking someone, but they don't show that the person just tried to knife them or whatever.
And that kind of stuff you see coming out of Israel frequently.
And you see the same tactics with the left here, and it's frustrating as hell to me.
For one, I don't think we'll see proper security throughout the next year.
January 6th, it's laughable that, you know, Media Matters wrote a story claiming that it is likely to implode for knowledge of January 6th because I had said in September of 2020 something like, the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and these Trump supporters are going to storm the White House in November.
What I was talking about was, no one will accept Trump not winning the election.
Of course, nobody stormed the White House in November, but on January 6th, there was the Capitol thing, and they're arguing that was the same thing.
The reality was, I read the news, and I heard what they were reporting and said, wow, these people are angry, and if this happens, they're gonna go to DC.
How is it that I was able to see that, and law enforcement and the U.S.
government was not?
I think the reality is they were able to see it, and they ignored it.
Or, depending on how deep you want to go down a rabbit hole, wanted it to happen or facilitated it.
Blue states will allow the violence and the rioting and completely ignore it, and their allies and media will act like it's not happening, like we saw in the Summer of Love.
And then when red states do respond properly to deal with the riots, the corporate press will say, Trump-supporting maggots, that's what they call them, are going full fascist and mercilessly beating peace protesters, rallying people in blue states, Either because there is a social pressure, a monetary incentive, or an ideological drive to do so.
One thing that, um, What I've been working on the last three and a half years, really since the nonsense around the last election and seeing big tech throw people off of platforms and silencing and censoring, I said we need to build a phone that does not have, that's uncancellable.
And so we've done that.
This is a new phone.
It's our hardware, our operating system, completely independent of the Google and Apple universe.
But that's also a, it's the first phone with an actual firewall, which you can hard off any of those, any of those endpoints so that you control them and no one else can.
The actual physical disconnect for the battery is an absolute.
After Occupy Wall Street, my phones could not be turned off.
Yes, I had two phones, I had an Apple and an Android.
The Apple, the iPhone, you can't remove the battery, the Android you could.
After Occupy Wall Street, I was heavily featured in, you know, a bunch of magazine stuff, I was getting a bunch of followers, getting asked to speak everywhere, and my phones would not turn off.
I would turn them off, instantly they would both turn back on.
So there was a phone that I got a few years ago called, I forget what it was called, the something McLaren.
It has a mechanical front-facing camera.
That stores itself in the phone, and when you want to use it, it goes, slides out.
The funny thing about it, my girlfriend was browsing the web, and she would notice it would pop up, and then go down.
Why?
Because the websites had code on them to activate the front-facing camera, take a picture, and send it to them.
So for everybody who is listening, when you're browsing those websites, and you know which ones I'm talking about, they could have a picture of your face.
That's why I asked about an indicator.
So, uh, I don't know if the, uh, I don't know if, uh, I don't.
And you can test that when you want to quick catch a, you know, a picture at a sporting event and you try to get to the camera, like camera is off per privacy settings.
A lot of people will just put tape over their front facing cameras, but now they have a picture of your face.
Yeah.
The cool thing about it though, I will say, there's, there's, there's, there's, and, and you have the option, but, uh, the security features that I have for my phone, for instance, is if you try to open it and you don't have the right fingerprint or your code is wrong, it takes a picture of your face, sends it to my email.
Yeah, look, phones have become basically a digital billboard.
And the big guys collect and resell your data to the tune of about $180 a year.
They know where you go, what you buy, who you call, and what you browse, before even the apps that you put on your phone do more of the same of harvesting and selling that data.
I've talked to so many people and they say, man, I was talking to my wife about needing a new mattress in our bedroom and the next day they're getting advertising for mattresses whoa talking about it means their phone is listening this phone does not listen to you it's incapable of it the argument that i hear people make when they're when you're talking about stuff like that that phenomenon that everyone is kind of familiar with i was talking about this thing and then i saw advertisements um i hear it explained as you
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you're out the algorithms get so good at predicting your your behaviors and stuff and and using the uh using those predictions to select advertisement to go into your feed or whatever that you notice when you talk about something and And you see an ad, but there's so many ads that go by that you don't notice because you haven't said anything.
So I don't know if it's, you know, I don't know for sure.
You sold me with the mechanical battery, the physical battery thing.
Yeah, because, you know, we've talked with people about making secure phones, and it's always, yeah, you know, But it's still, it's still, how do you trust it completely?
You don't, but buying a phone with better security is better than nothing.
It runs on T-Mobile, AT&T, Patriot Mobile, and we'll have a global data roaming sim by the time the next 10,000 arrive.
If you're gonna talk to your buddy, talk to your buddy about getting it to talk to Starlink too, because Ah, well, it'll connect to any Starlink at anybody's Wi-Fi and you can stay off it completely.
The issue was that we were trying to order We wanted to do a review of it, and I said, we can't do a review if we accept a phone from you, because then we're getting a Potemkin phone, basically.
We have to order it through the normal process, and it has to be ordered to someone who's not us, and the waitlist was too long, and we were never able to actually get it.
The idea is, if we're going to do a legitimate review, It's gotta be a name they don't know who orders the phone and gets it, then we get it.
I'm like, if you give us a phone, I mean, come on, it's not a real review.
It's like, fair enough, you know?
So, but, uh, you know, for this, I ordered it because I want it.
You sold me on the, you can disconnect the battery contacts from it.
I'm like, oh, okay, wow, great.
Off means off.
I remember back in the day my paranoid hacker buddies throwing their phones, taking the batteries out and throwing it in the freezer and then closing it, or turning water on and putting their phone next to it, things like that.
Though I don't believe that is as effective as they think it is.
And I spent my seventh birthday in East Berlin in 1976.
- 1984.
And I spent my seventh birthday in East Berlin in 1976.
And seeing the guns and the dogs and the minefields and everything, literally holding people in East Germany, not letting them leave a national prison colony.
I thought, what the hell?
This is not, this, this Bolshevik thing is not, not it.
I will say it's going to be, uh, what's the right word?
I would say funny, but the circumstances of conflict aren't funny, but you know, funny may be the right word when in 2024, all the far leftists and all the right-wingers are all using your phones.
Cause it's like, it doesn't matter if you're left, right, up, down, whatever.
It's a secure phone and that's what we have to use.
But they tell you this too, like when you open private tabs or whatever, it's like, this won't record in your computer, but they are still spying on you.
Eric, you know as well as I do that they're not going to do that because all they have to do is subpoena the data that Google collects and then the government, and Google does the job the government wishes that it could do, and if they subpoena that information, they get the information.
So you know, Google is just another part of the military-industrial complex.
You are correct, they could, but the reason why Google will not be broken up It's not that.
Although it is very useful for the security state and the bureaucratic state to utilize Google as a weapon for themselves.
The real issue is that any, the moment any politician stands up and says, we need to break up Google, Google presses a button and every default search turns into politician is pedophile.
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Yeah.
Either that or the guy from the CIA comes with a picture of JFK.
