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Nov. 24, 2023 - The Culture War - Tim Pool

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The Culture War #39 - Wokeness In Skateboarding, Males Competing In Women's Sports

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to this special pre-recorded episode of the Culture War podcast.
		Everybody is out having fun Thanksgiving with the family, so we recorded this one early for you.
		But we got some interesting stuff to talk about.
		In the Culture War, a couple big issues revolve around popular culture.
		Prominent individuals who are not speaking up or allowing culture to be taken over by illiberal forces and people who are not a part of your culture.
		And of course, I'm talking about skateboarding specifically.
		And we also, of course, have the issue of male athletes competing in female sports.
		So we've got a lot to talk about as it pertains to skateboarding.
		Most of you know I've been skateboarding, man, most of my life since I was late 13 years old.
		is when I started, traveled around the country skating to a certain degree, always skateboarding, even to this day filming a lot of skate videos.
		And one of the things that I noticed that was particularly interesting over the past several years is the "wokification" of skateboarding.
		And I don't know how this happens.
		You end up seeing ads, right?
		And so for those that don't skate, just put this in the context of any other major sport, you end up with advertisements promoting brands where they're not doing any kind of athletic feat.
		Individuals who are doing what we would describe as rudimentary or basic tricks, but because the advertisement fits some kind of woke diversity quota, they think that's going to sell product.
		But then you end up with these weird circumstances where there's no energy because What people want in competitive sports, they want to see the boundaries be pushed.
		They want to see something new and creative.
		But with the, I guess, the diversity version of skateboarding, it's, can we all hold hands and have fun and smile because we're all different?
		And you end up with people being praised, not for skill or creativity, but for their identity.
		Now, I don't know how that persists, but we're certainly more fans of, hey man, do what you want, skateboarding can be punk rock, you can be whoever you want, but we like doing tricks, we like seeing good skateboarding stuff, so we're gonna talk about that.
		And we got a bunch of really awesome people, so I'll just throw it to you guys to introduce yourselves.
		First, we got this guy over here who looks like some kind of weird rock star.
unidentified		I am Richie Jackson, and I am of the controversial opinion that we can all get along.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That is very controversial, because I'm not so sure.
unidentified		Well, we'll see how we go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Uh, to add to that, I'm only half joking.
		I was having a conversation with a friend last night and it's like my friend from the city who I grew up with.
		It's just, I don't see how we get along.
		No, that's a fair, this is a fair point.
		Cause we are still friends, but man, our moral lines are so different, but we'll talk about that.
		And, uh, Richie, who are you?
unidentified		What do you do?
		I play the skateboard.
		It's as simple as that.
		And you should let your friend know that he is invited to skate here at our indoor facility.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Richie's actually, for those that aren't familiar in the skateboarding world, I don't know, a street magician?
unidentified		Let's go with sorcerer.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sorcerer is better.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sorcerer implies that you have an innate talent and an ability to tap into the magical ether of skateboarding.
unidentified		I'm glad it looks that way on camera.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, Richie's super well known for, you have these incredibly unique combinations of unique skills and creativity in skateboarding, which has led to a prominent following as a pro skateboarder.
unidentified		Well, I appreciate that very much, man.
unidentified		Thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And we'll maybe play some clips and we'll talk about this, but just real quick for those that are wondering how you came to be here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Richie, how did you come to be here?
unidentified		I was provided an excellent opportunity Tim has provided a, well, we can't say too much about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have a mutual friend.
unidentified		This is true.
unidentified		Miss Southern, yes, it was Miss Southern that kind of hooked it all up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Lauren Southern was like, I know this pro skater guy, Richie Jackson.
		I was like, are you kidding?
		You know Richie Jackson?
		And she was like, yeah, I'll connect you guys.
		And then you posted a photo with her and everyone got mad at you.
unidentified		Well, no, the next step was she showed me the facility that you have under construction and I'm not sure how much we can say about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Say whatever you want.
unidentified		Well, think the Betterics.
unidentified		We just designed an indoor and outdoor park.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Super esoteric.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The average person's like, I have no idea what he just said.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So there's a big skate park.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The biggest, I think, most prominent media outlet for skateboarding is the Barracks.
unidentified		At one time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
		I mean, I think it still is.
		I think it still is.
		But we are working on a major facility.
		We've talked about it quite a bit, an indoor and outdoor facility, massive 40-foot building.
		So Lauren Southern introduced us, and Richie is a man who likes to skateboard.
		And there were interesting things that happened around this pertaining to woke backlash.
		And I think it's mostly overhyped, mostly overblown, and that's the big thing I want to get to today.
		So we'll get into all that.
unidentified		That leads us perfectly into our other guest today.
		That's right, Taylor Silverman. - What's up guys, I'm Taylor Silverman.
		I've been out here at TimCast ever since I accidentally went viral on the internet last year talking about placing second in a women's skate contest to a male skateboarder.
		Tim saw the story, gave me a call, invited me out.
		At the time I had no idea that he wanted me to come and stay, but I came out as a guest and I never left.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so yeah, and that story is, when Taylor competed in, it was multiple contests.
unidentified		Yeah, it happened three different times, and it was the third time that I'd finally had enough, and I was like, I gotta say something about this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Taylor would have won first place in all of them, or one of them, or how many?
unidentified		Two of them and then the first time it happened was like way back in 2018 and at that time like that was one of the first times I'd traveled out of the state to go compete in a contest and I didn't even make it through the qualifier and I think that the the guy didn't make it through the qualifier either and So that was like my first time seeing it and actually, you know, happening right in front of me.
		I'd heard about it happening in MMA, but that was about the only context I'd seen of that kind of stuff.
		So I thought, well, people are going to realize this is ridiculous.
		It's not going to continue.
		And then a couple of years later, I placed second in a contest to male skateboarder.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You lost like, I think it was like 1500 bucks?
unidentified		That was in the third contest.
		Yeah, it was a Red Bull contest.
		They did like a best in the Midwest circuit where you had to qualify in one of the qualifying contests.
		So I went to one out in Detroit, Michigan, because I was living in Kalamazoo at the time.
		Placed first, got invited to these finals, and had no idea until I got there that that was what was going to unfold that day.
		So I had to like decide an hour before what I'm going to do.
		I was like, I can walk away, leave completely empty-handed after spending money out of my own pocket to even be there, or I can compete for second place today and try to talk to him about it afterwards.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what we did was, we wrote a check for the difference of what you were supposed to have won as the first place female contestant.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then we made a fake check and handed it to you on camera.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, uh, we also have a professional skate filmer here with us, uh, the Skate Rat himself from Star of Judge J- Star of One Episode of Judge Joe Brown.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Would you like to introduce yourself, sir?
unidentified		Dennis Williford, uh, Chum Media.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Get a little- get a little closer to the mic.
unidentified		Dennis Williford, Chum Media, Multimedia Productions, um... You've had a- you've had a bunch of, uh, so you've- you've filmed skateboarding professionally.
		Yeah, I mean, I lived in New York for the better part of 10 years.
		You've got all kinds of stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You've got a bunch of clips and pro videos.
		So you've been entrenched in this for a while.
		And I think it'll be interesting to see your perspective as kind of, you know, you've got Richie, who is this very forward facing individual with a lot of pressure from like a massive fan base.
unidentified		Well, I gotta touch on that point.
		As somebody who's always been pro-LGBTQ and aligned with that community, I was quite shocked at the immediate backlash for a crime as simple as being seen with Ms.
		Silverman.
		I took a picture with Taylor, which sparked a massive backlash.
		And I was like, well, what was I supposed to do?
		Kick her in the shins and walk away?
		She asked me for a picture.
		I warned you!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You did warn me!
unidentified		I told you they'll come after you.
		But it just seemed crazy to me that, like, all my years of support and alignment meant nothing with one picture.
		I was told to issue an apology for being seen with you.
		Wow!
		So that's where I went, no, I know how this works.
		Are you sorry?
		No, I went, I know how this works.
		You do the public apology, they don't accept it, and then they just tread on you more.
		So I was like, eh, I'm gonna go see Tim Pool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They tread on you more.
		So here's a funny thing about that.
		Richie Jackson.
		How many followers do you have on Instagram?
		I think three hundred and five K. And you go to a skate park and aside from, I mean, we look at your clothes and everyone's like, OK, this when when we're at a bar, people walk up to Richie and they're like, are you a rock star?
		Like, you must be famous because of the way you've dressed.
		But you have people who come up to you and they're excited to meet you.
		When you meet these individuals, do you say, hold on there a minute, sir.
		Can you explain to me your entire political background?
unidentified		No, and here's the other thing.
		I've never had, not once in my life, has anybody come up and had a negative interaction with me.
		Not once.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Even after all this?
unidentified		Even after all this, not one.
		Same here.
		Yeah.
		All the negativity has been online.
		Nobody's ever said anything to my face.
		That seems to be how it works.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think any of these people are real, to be honest.
		Like, I know that some of them are real, but this is the crazy thing, right?
		So, you have someone come and say, oh wow, you're Richie Jackson, you're a pro skateboarder, can I get a picture with you?
		You say, sure.
		Next thing you know, they're like, why didn't you know that the person you took a picture with was Persona Non Grata?
unidentified		I'm 100% done with this guilt by association stuff, I just can't do it anymore.
unidentified		People are who they are, they think what they think, and they're allowed to, and that's the end of the story.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Also, I think you can be supportive of, like, the LGBT community without thinking that what's happening in women's sports is okay.
		I mean... I think a lot of people are.
		Not only do I not have to say anything, I don't even have to think anything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You don't, but I'm wondering if, like, what are the political or what are the career ramifications, I guess?
		Everyone's kind of worried that, let me slow down, I'll put it this way.
		There's a lot of people who, you know, I tell this story quite a bit, but it happened again, hanging out in Reston, Virginia, which is a suburb of D.C.
		It's Loudoun County, I'm pretty sure it's Loudoun County, and this is where all the big fighting in the schools is happening about males using female bathrooms or whatever.
		And I get a guy come up to me saying like, hey, you're probably not going to hear this from anybody in Reston, but I'm a big fan.
		And I was like, you're like the fourth guy to walk up to me and say that to me.
unidentified		I see it all the time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just the other day, same thing happened.
		And even people who are working in the area at the restaurants we're going to, they're just like, oh yeah, I watch your stuff, man.
		It's really great.
		And so I'm just like, I think people...
		I think there's a boogeyman that doesn't exist.
unidentified		Exactly, there 100% is.
		And we should talk about the Martinsburg DIY scenario, because the boogeyman there was allegedly you.
		There were kids talking saying, not only did Tim buy the park, he's thinking about destroying it.
		I spoke to somebody who thought that you were going to go in and bulldoze it.
		Now, if that's not a boogeyman, I don't know what is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, so there are a lot of people who are prominent musicians, celebrities, or just regular people who work in an office, and they believe that if they say something, they're going to get fired, they're going to get in trouble, they're going to lose money, they're going to get ostracized.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think that's somewhat true, but I think it's mostly a boogeyman.
unidentified		Yeah, but see, cancel culture is real.
		They'll kind of gaslight you and go, oh, there is no cancel culture.
		Well, if there isn't, why are people afraid of it?
		You can lose your job, you can absolutely lose your employment for saying the wrong thing, and I think the majority of people have had enough.
		You know, I'm a pretty middle-of-the-road guy, but I've certainly had enough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But maybe that's it.
		Maybe it's in the more recent years, especially with what we're seeing with Bud Light, Target, the Marvels.
		People are just at this point ready to be like, don't know, don't care.
		If it's some kind of woke, I'm not interested.
unidentified		People are fed up.
		But people, I get why people are scared of the cancel culture stuff.
		I was terrified to speak up at first.
		In fact, I waited till I was out of the country to speak up because I was scared that if I did it in America, there'd be people like with pitchforks outside my house.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, you had people with pitchforks in your comments, and that was crazy.
		And this is another huge component, too, because this is the weirdest thing.
		The people who started attacking you were like, you're a Jew.
unidentified		Yeah, there were more comments like that than there were about what I was actually saying.
		And that's not, like, new.
		I would get comments or messages like that occasionally.
		It was just so much of it and so in your face that it couldn't be ignored.
		And it showed, like, these people are not about inclusivity, they're not about diversity, they're not about accepting people for who they are.
		They will come after you for whatever they think is the worst thing that they can do even if it is like blatantly anti-semitic or racist or whatever it may be, and show their true colors just because they want to scare you, they want to shut you up, they want to make you feel like you're cancelled essentially.
		I did find that unusual that your alleged transphobia was a green light for anti-semitism.
		Yeah.
		They're like, off we go, we can do that now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I don't want to, I don't want to, I want to be careful.
		I understand like Israel-Palestine, what a crazy issue right now.
		The left and the right are all fighting each other.
		But no, no, no, no.
		When she says anti-Semitism, we're like, it was the weirdest thing for me to look at.
		I'm like, I could understand if leftists were going to Taylor's comments and being like, you're a bigot, you're a transphobe.
		But I go to the comments and it's just a bunch of heavy slurs about being Jewish.
unidentified		And I'm like, what does this have to do with anything?
unidentified		I think it indicates that, you know, underneath it all they might just be bullies that think they've found a route in which they can get away with it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Why, you know, it really bums me out.
		Skateboarding is supposed to be punk rock.
		And I remember when I was, man, I'm like 14 or 15, I watched this interview.
		I think it was an On Skate magazine video.
		So for those that don't know, we gotta break down the esoteric nature that is skateboarding for many of you.
		But there used to be VHS, like video magazines you'd get every month.
		So I think 411 for the most part was like it.
		But then there were specials like I think On was one of them.
		And then companies would release periodic tapes that you could order and then you'd watch people skate.
		And I remember watching one where this dude's like skateboarding so great because when I go out there, you know, there's a there's a there's a Mexican guy, there's an Asian guy, there's a black dude.
		We're all hanging out.
		We don't care about people's race.
		We all get along.
unidentified		It's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We all ride together.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And nowadays it's just like it used to be that way.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now you've got like I'm just, I'm sorry man, look, I watched this video probably 10 years ago of an Israeli and a Palestinian skateboarder, a guy from Palestine, from Gaza, who comes to the United States, a guy from Israel, comes to the United States, and they were skating a skate park together, and the whole point of it was that, outside of that context, they were friends, they didn't want to fight, they wanted to skate together.
unidentified		Skateboarding is the commonality.
		Well, I think it's the same thing as like what we were talking about before with the boogeyman and it being online.
		In real life, I don't have an issue with anybody at the skate park.
		I don't see anybody like excluding anyone.
		It's online that you see that stuff being pushed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But then it manifests in the real world.
unidentified		People say... A little bit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They say Twitter's not real life, and I used to agree with that until somehow it became real life.
		You know?
		It's crazy.
		People... Let's talk about what happened in Washington, D.C.
		So, a couple things happened.
		First, there was a pro skateboarder who was in town, and his crew was with him, and I went to Washington, what is it, Freedom Plaza in Washington, D.C.
unidentified		Yeah, you texted me that morning at like 7.30, like, wanna go skate?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we were going to D.C.
unidentified		I was like, not right now, I'm sleeping.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I see this guy that I passively know.
		Everybody knows this pro skateboarder who was there.
		I don't wanna, I'm not gonna, I won't include him as his own private business, but he's a cool dude, he's chill, he's like, I don't care.
		And there's another guy there who I know, an acquaintance, and so I'm like talking to him and I'm like, he's hanging out with this pro.
		This caused this weird backlash Freedom Plaza of all places.
		community, supposedly, where they were like, "These people are friends with Tim Pool.
		"He's a bigot, blah, blah, blah." They started threatening and harassing people.
		People were like, I think, I don't wanna get too much into it, but I think some people might've lost their jobs just because I was there. - And this is "Freedom Plaza" of all places. - Of all places. - A public park, I might add. - You know, part of me desperately wants to get just straight into the esoteric nature of all this.
		So I'm gonna try and explain everything 'cause, You know, it's easy if you're a football fan and someone starts talking about all the football players and everything.
unidentified		Skateboarding's a tiny subculture, and we forget that.
		We forget how small it is.
		It just seems so idiotic to divide it when it's already this small.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But, so, let's start here, and I'll throw it to everybody, and when did you guys start noticing the changes in skateboarding, where it went from, dude, punk rockers used to, like, Sid Vicious wore a swastika.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, here's a dude who was doing something specifically just to make you angry.
unidentified		Did you notice that in Sid and Nancy, they changed the swastika to a hammer and sickle?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wait, what?
unidentified		Yeah, as if that was, like, not as bad.
unidentified		It's probably every bit as bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like in the fictionalized movie?
unidentified		In the fictionalized movie, they changed the swastika.
		They went, hmm, let's dial it down a bit.
		Hammer and sickle.
		Wow.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But, uh, but skateboarders used to be super punk rock, super edgy, still posting videos.
		I really hate these videos, by the way, where people are fighting security guards.
		I'm like, what are you doing, man?
		It's not even, it's not even about don't fight the security guard.
		Like you shouldn't, but you are blowing up the spot.
		That's what it's called.
		So, we're gonna break this down and bring you all into the skateboard fold.
		So, actually, can you pull up this clip, Kellen?
		So this is a skate spot, and this is a video of Richie Jackson doing a skateboard trick.
		This spot, my understanding is, is not made for skateboarding.
		Correct.
unidentified		That would be correct.
		This is... What is it made for?
		It's a playground?
		It's a playground.
		It was in Brooklyn, right?
		Where were we in Brooklyn here, Dennis?
		Crown Heights.
		Crown Heights, yeah.
		I remember... I used to live there.
		It's near there.
		Dennis knows the area well.
		I remember a guy came down.
		He was kind of sussing us out whether he's gonna beat us up or rob us or not.
		And he's like, yo, give me a cigarette.
		And Dennis had the cig, gave it to him.
		Like, you knew the rules.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a rough and tumble place.
		Alright, so let's explain a skate spot.
		This place is a playground designed for who knows what.
		Skateboarders are like, hey, I can apply my skateboard to the things that are here that were built and make something unique.
		So if you go to a lot... Skateboarders like to go to public buildings where there's handrails going downstairs, jump down the stairs, slide down the railings, all that stuff.
		If security guards come out and they say, you have to stop.
		The appropriate thing skateboarders do... Bribe.
		Well, sure.
		But typically it's, hey man, one more try.
		Let me get one more, one more.
		And the guy, security guards usually, because they know we can avoid conflict, they'll say, okay, just one more and then you gotta go.
		Because if they fight you then, but so then they'll say fine.
		Then the person like, it's the best when they get the trick on that last try, they know the pressure's on, and then they leave.
		And they wave the security guard and that's the end of it.
		Blowing up a spot is when people tell the security guard to F off.
		Crash into him, shove him or her and fight him.
		And there's even an instance where a security guard died and a skater went to prison.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		And there's another guy that's brain dead from an altercation in San Francisco.
		Um, yeah, don't do that for all the kids out there.
		If you're skating a spot, yeah, don't attack the security guard.
		There's other ways to get around it.
		Like I said, produce some money and, you know, be businessmen about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, and I will clarify, too.
		We were filming a music video.
		I should clarify.
		I will add to that.
		We're filming a music video yesterday for one of the songs that we're doing.
		And we were doing the scene where we're getting ice cream.
		That's like... I don't want to give away too much.
		But when we go to the door...
		The guy walks right, as we're walking up the door, he walks up and he puts a closed on it.
		And I'm like, they're supposed to be open till 10 p.m.
		It was 540.
		I'm like, it's not, 540's not even a time to close.
		And I walk up, he opens it like, sorry man, we're just, we're closing up.
		And I was like, bro, you're supposed to be open.
		He's like, I'm the only one working here.
		And I was like, I will give you money to stay open.
		And he was like, what?
		And I was like, I'll give you a hundred bucks.
		And he was like, how long?
		And I was like, I don't know, give me a half an hour.
		We got to film this thing.
		That's the thing.
		The guy said yes.
		So in many of the circumstances, it's not a bribe.
		If you're saying like, I will pay you to rent your facility, to use this facility with your permission, that's quite literally how you do it!
unidentified		Right.
		Okay, so bribe would be if law enforcement is involved.
		A security guard is not law enforcement, right?
		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So here's my point.
		This is skateboarding.
		There's a brain-dead security guard, there are cops who are injured, there are skateboarders in prison, over there, screw you man, I'll do what I want.
		But all of a sudden, all of a sudden, we start seeing this emergence of woke skateboarders.
		Look, I don't care what your politics are, but when they start threatening people, and this is what happens.
		So after that Washington D.C.
		thing goes down, where they're attacking this guy, this company, and other people in the periphery, I'm like, dude, I went with my girlfriend to D.C., and we were skating in a public plaza, and they started attacking people unrelated to me.
		I don't work with this guy.
		I barely know the guy.
		I talk, but they don't care.
		They want to terrorize.
		So then, I say, you know what?
		F these people.
		We're gonna come down next week, and we're gonna bring everybody, invite everybody.
		Guess what happened when we showed up a hundred deep?
		Nothing.
unidentified		Well, to be fair, you did go very early in the day, and none of those guys had gotten up yet, because skaters tend to wake up around, oh, I don't know, 3 p.m.?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I would say fair point, but we were there at, like, noon.
unidentified		Yeah, I was just messing with you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And the locals were there, and you know what the locals said to me?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They fist-bumped me!
unidentified		Of course, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so I'm like, when I was skating there the first time, here's the weird thing.
		The woke people, they're not good at skateboarding.
		And I'm not trying to be a dick, okay?
		But, I don't, I'm like, how is it happening where we have seen the release of professional athletic advertisements of a person doing, you know, to translate this in layman terms, imagine looking at an ad of a top tier pro athlete doing like, um, a jumping jack.
		And you're just like, well, I mean, that's cool.
		Like if the shot of what it was like, it was like a Steph Curry, you know, shooting from the three-point line, you see the ball flying through the air, you understand what he's doing.
		That's good.
		If it was like LeBron dunking, you'd be like, wow, that's great.
		Imagine looking at it out of a basketball player and he's doing jumping jacks.
unidentified		So you're saying remove the basketball from the Jordan logo?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Take it out.
unidentified		Take it out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		These people have no skills.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but how does it happen that You know, the ads we're showing are typically of something good.
		It's not always the greatest.
		There's a combination of things that can make something good.
		Style, you know, the obstacle itself.
		Maybe they're just jumping down a big set of stairs or something.
		But now we're seeing the emergence of advertising and skateboarding where these companies think, I know what will sell skateboards.
unidentified		Pantyhose.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Pantyhose?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Sure, but like... I think it's more, like, it's more unusual that they come at you as the bogeyman, and what you are is an independent, self-made journalist, right?
unidentified		And these same people that come at you are happily endorsing Nike, which I believe uses child slave labor?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Used to.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll be fair here, we'll be fair.
unidentified		All I'm saying is, like, they tow the corporate line, they're like, yes, yes, we'll do that, but Tim Pool, bad guy.
		It doesn't make sense to me.
		Weren't they, like, posting that you were a white supremacist?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course, of course.
		But here's the most offensive thing, and here's what I'm getting to.
		I open a magazine, like, anybody reads magazines anymore, and I see a dude Well, I see a diverse person, a gender diverse person, I'll just keep it vague as possible, and they're doing like a slappy, okay?
		For people who don't, we gotta translate.
		A slappy is when you just ride your board up onto a curb so the trucks are grinding against the concrete.
		And it is... I don't know.
		I mean, if you're a little kid who just started skating, you might be able to get that in, what, a week or so?
		Or not even?
		I don't know.
		It's one of the first things you might even try learning, just riding your board up onto a curb and getting a little grind before you can even jump or do any of these tricks.
		And I'm like, how is this an ad in a magazine for a professional skateboard company?
		It used to be like you'd see some 19-year-old kid jumping off a building.
		And now it's like they'd rather have a diverse person doing literally nothing, and that is going to sell more product.
unidentified		Here's where my distrust comes in on that.
		These same publications used to absolutely tear people apart for being trans or homosexual.
		That was something they'd go after them for.
		Same with the mainstream media.
		There was a guy He was a popular guy Norman Gunston and I remember in the 80s They had Boy George on the show and the whole point of it was to humiliate him for being gay That was like what they were driving at and he walked off the show that same channel will now humiliate you if you possibly said something homophobic I don't trust the media one bit because it's like hang on a second ten years ago.
		You were the guys No, I mean, I agree.
		I'll tell you what's really crazy.
		for potentially insulting it.
		Like I don't trust the media, put it that way.
		You know what I'm saying? - Yeah.
		- Does that sound insane?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, - No, I mean, I agree.
		I'll tell you what's really crazy.
		I used to skate in Chicago at a park under, I think it's under 95, the Logan Square skate park.
		It's pretty trash.
		I haven't been there in a decade, so I don't know.
		Longer than that, actually.
		But it was, like, built super improperly.
		It resulted in a guy getting seriously injured.
		For those who skate, they built a bowl section, but they did not know how to build a bowl section.
		So it was basically just quarter pipes with, like, I don't even know how to describe the transition.
		It was so fast, you could not carve.
		from one quarter pipe wall to the other.
		And so this dude, this old guy, did not know that and assumed it was probably gonna be a regular bowl.
		And so he threw his board down the first time he was there charged in, and he tried to carve around a bowl.
		So imagine a bowl shape for those that know skating, but he slammed into the wall because there wasn't actually a real transition, hit his head and just went out.
		Was bleeding and they had to call 911.
		Very improperly built skate park.
		I digress.
		You have the graffiti all over the place there, Seth.
unidentified		Oh, I bet I know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was penises.
		It was slurs.
		It was homophobic slurs and racial slurs just everywhere.
		And I was like, these kids are giving a middle finger to the machine, to the establishment.
		They're doing whatever they want.
		They're saying, F you, that's the point of graffiti.
		And then a year ago, we went to a skate park out here and the spray paint was Black Lives Matter.
unidentified		Pendulum always swings, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But this is the funny thing.
		The Black Lives Matter is a corporate...
		Corporate slogan used by Amazon and Walmart and I and I see these kids sitting underneath it I started laughing and I'm like which one of you guys spray-painted Amazon's corporate slogan on a ramp like How is it punk rock and anti-establishment to be like we're for the machine What has happened to skateboarding?
unidentified		I'm an old man and I am angry Do you remember when Nike was trying to get in and they couldn't do it?
		They had a company called Save Your Footwear, which there but it was secretly Nike.
		It was Nike in disguise.
		Do you remember Dennis?
		I remember the shoes.
		I didn't, I forgot it was Nike.
		That was Nike.
		And then they're like, okay, blast.
		That one didn't work.
		And then they got it, I think the third time.
		And then they got everything.
		That's why every skate shoe company has, remember everybody remembers DC, Fallen, you know, Vans is still there.
		I've got a story about shoe companies.
		Go ahead.
		So one of my friends, he rides for a famous, or I don't think he does anymore, but famous shoe company.
		And about a year ago, he was like, They don't care about me.
		If I put on a dress, I'd be the hottest new thing on the scene.
		Like, I would be making so much more money.
		They would put my ads out again and all this stuff.
		And he was right because yesterday I showed Richie an ad from that same shoe company of somebody pushing down the street in a dress and not doing much of anything.
		And I'm sorry, my friend is better and deserves that credit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is the thing.
		I'm like, the future of wokeness in culture is going to be like, merit is meaningless.
		Pushing the boundaries is meaningless.
		All that matters is you're a quote-unquote diverse person.
unidentified		I think the worst thing about it is actually, there seems to be an undercurrent of wanting people to not only fail, but lose money, lose their jobs, and I've never wished that upon anybody.
		Like, I've noticed this in skateboarding, if you're making a lot of money, they hate you.
		If you're not, they also hate you.
		If you're not making money, it's, you loser, look at him, look at him struggling, circling the bowl, what a loser.
		And if you're making money, like, well, well, well, what a piece of...
		You know that's how it goes and I've realized that it's an unwinnable game like if you fail they hate you if you win they hate you so hate away I guess at this point I feel like I'm tossing them food like here like Hate me.
		Go ahead.
		You know, I don't know.
		It's the strangest thing.
		You never can please everybody.
		Well, but is that a form of sadomasochism?
		That I'm like, I know you guys want to hate me.
		So here, take this.
		Here's me and Lauren Southern.
		Hate away.
		Because I think that gives them a pleasure.
		You like it.
		That's why you posted the picture.
		No, they like it.
		I think they like it.
		You like that they like it.
		People think, oh, I'm going to go leave a bunch of nasty comments and boost his algorithm.
		That's a bad thing.
		Facilitating.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I wanna warn these lunatics, okay?
		Skateboarders, Richie in particular, are fairly F-you kind of people.
		And so part of me thinks that here's innocent old Richie Jackson who just wants to skate around and jump down some stairs and ride his little stick board and have a good time.
		And then he meets someone and he's like, oh, this person also likes stick board.
		So they attack you, and then you're like, now I'm going to make you pay for... you insult me, how dare you?
unidentified		Well, the other thing about me is it's not a good idea to tell me to not do something.
		So when people told me not to come out here and meet Tympool, yeah, that's... It's like, the first thing he does is like, can we go to... can we go to Tympool's house?
		Yeah, that's pretty much how it works.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, they think they can... they think they can control you, but I have to wonder if...
		Skateboarding is one of the bigger mistakes they made.
		I said this like... seven years ago.
		When we started seeing... I can't remember exactly what we were watching.
		It was um...
		Probably gamer stuff, post-Gamergate stuff with diversity in sports.
		No, no, no, it wasn't.
		Yeah, it was like gamer stuff and comic stuff, and I said, it's going to be absolutely hilarious when they try bringing all of this woke stuff into major league sports.
		I kid you not, we will see a point where there's going to be calls for diverse basketball teams where they say, hear me out, hear me out, because I got an argument for you.
		All the woke leftists out there, they can hear this one.
		How come basketball teams are all male?
		Are all men?
		There's no rule saying women can't be on the team.
		It's because when it comes to trouts, and it comes to scoring frequency, etc., dunking, women don't do as well as the men.
		You know what that means?
		Well, if the rules of basketball were made up by us and arbitrary, why don't we just say the rule is the team has to be half male, half female?
		We made the rule about how many steps you can take while carrying the ball until you're traveling.
		Why not make a rule that says teams gotta be at least three females on the court at all times?
unidentified		I got a better idea.
		Cancel team sports entirely.
		That's the Globetrotters.
		Yeah, I'm on that Globetrotter train.
		They got a few girls, they got like little people, it's awesome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well the Globetrotters are fun though, that's a WWE basketball team.
unidentified		Exactly, WWE basketball.
		But those girls are good though, a lot of them are really good ball handlers and they hold their own.
		So Globetrotters already got it.
		But in like an actual, they wouldn't be in the NBA.
		Right.
		No way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is my point.
		We're actually at this point in skateboarding.
		And, you know, so obviously I don't think they go after the big dogs first, like football.
		But now you have, with like Taylor and your experience, you have males competing against females, and they're like, this male is allowed to compete because they're wearing a dress.
		Skateboarding, correct me if I'm wrong, it may be changing, but my understanding is the contest you were in did not have like testosterone limits or anything.
		They quite literally said if you're a woman, if you say you're a woman, you are.
unidentified		Well, all the information that I was given, like they email you and stuff and tell you where it's gonna be and when you need to get there because I'm traveling to go to this stuff.
		All the Red Bull stuff said female.
		So even if there was any confusion between someone about, like, how you define woman, which to me is simple, that's an adult human female, but to some people it's pretty complicated, I guess.
		But they all said female.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To long people.
unidentified		Yeah, to crazy people.
unidentified		I didn't even see it coming because it said female.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's time for lawsuits.
unidentified		I think it's time to eliminate competitions entirely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I like contests.
unidentified		No, skateboarding's art.
		Let's just all be in the streets together.
		There doesn't need to be a competition.
		Contests are what push the limits.
		That's when people are going the hardest is that during the heat of the contest, you know?
		I think they're really a positive thing.
		It gives people opportunities too.
		Someone who isn't sponsored could go make money, do really well in a contest, get some coverage over it in the skateboarding world, and that's awesome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And also, I think, let the market decide.
		You know, Richie, you don't like contests.
		You make this artistic form of skateboarding.
		Skateboarding is very unique and creative, and it blends skill and creativity in probably the best way in skateboarding.
		And then you have people who like to just do the most basic, rigid...
		Gray box tricks.
unidentified		Let's not be so hasty there.
		I have a theory about that.
		I think I know what that kind of skateboarding is, particularly the handrail skating.
		I truly believe it's a placeholder for hunting.
		I think that now it's true.
		Think about it.
		Now that food is available at the supermarket, right?
		We've taken out the hunting drive because you just go to the supermarket, buy your steak.
		So what the young dudes do instead, they get a gang of guys together.
		They get in the car.
		The handrail is a placeholder for the woolly mammoth.
		I agree.
		And the footage is the thing and if you slay the handrail, you slay the mammoth, you go home and potentially you eat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You are 100% correct.
		I completely agree.
		The male object-oriented drive of conquering the beast.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So in skateboarding, as we mentioned, there are many spots.
		So Hollywood High is a really great example of one of the most famous locations to skateboarders.
		It is a high school In Hollywood, and that's it.
		It's very simple.
		Hollywood High School.
		There is, uh, in the front of the school, there are two sets of stairs because the ground goes downhill.
		One side, I believe, is 10 stairs?
unidentified		I think it's 12 and 16.
unidentified		It's gonna be a 12 and a 16.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		12 and a 16.
		See, these guys know their stuff.
		Now, how many of you Know how many stairs an obscure high school on this side of the country has.
		Skateboarders know these things.
		And it has turned into a wonder of the skateboarding world in that it is a famous location.
		16 stairs.
		That means there are 16 steps going up the stairs into the school and there's a railing going down it.
		It is particularly large.
		Not the biggest, but it's big.
		And so what happens is, one day a skateboarder says, wow, look how big this railing is, I bet I can slide down it.
		So they jump up on their board, land on the rail, slide down it, and ride away.
		Let's say they do what's called a board slide.
		That's where you just jump up, put your board on the rail, you go down.
		Relatively easy, relatively simple, I should say.
		Down a massive set of stairs, it's a big deal.
		But guess what?
		NBD, we say, never been done.
		And so these young guys pull up in their car to go hunting, as Richie says, and they're like, the boardslide has already been slain.
		If I were to bring back a boardslide to my tribe, they would say, who cares?
		John did that last week.
		You do not impress us, sir.
		So they try a more difficult trick.
		Now they're gonna...
		Kickflip into the boardside.
		So now they're jumping in the air, the board flips one time under their feet, and then hits the rail.
		And now it's, whoa!
		That was even crazier.
		Every time Escape Warder ups the ante, they're bringing back a bigger, bigger woolly mammoth.
unidentified		Precisely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I completely agree with that.
		And it's funny because that's what a lot of competitive skateboarding is, and it's also what's being stripped and removed.
		So one of the things about having males compete against females is it's taking that away.
		Even among females, there is this component.
		Humans are humans, whether they're male or female.
		Males probably are driven more to this than females.
		Taylor, you compete, and you compete because you want to slay the beast in much the same way, and be the best skateboarder there, skate as good as you can, and show, I took home this gigantic, you know, woolly mammoth.
		But now what they're saying is, none of that matters, because it's not about the woolly mammoth you caught, it's about the diversity of the person going on the hunt.
unidentified		Yeah, decent point.
		Okay, well if you're doing Hollywood, let's do Wilshire.
		How many stairs up and down?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was that 15?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was 15 on the one side.
unidentified		10 and 15.
		10 and 15.
		There we go, alright.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that's gone, isn't it?
unidentified		No, it is still there.
		What's knobbed?
		It's blind bumped.
		See, I have a... Right.
		I have a theory about this.
		For those of you unfamiliar with skateboarding, one of the main things that stops us is strips in front of the stairs that are essentially braille for blind people.
		So I think it's a double whammy.
		I think they're kind of doing it for blind people and kind of doing it to stop us skating.
		But in the future, when we cure blindness, those will have to go away.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Elon Musk, once no one's ever blind, then skateboarding will have free reign to do whatever they want.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		We got to get rid of those strips because people just be ripping them out all by themselves.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I guess Part of me feels like it's completely obvious, right?
		That what we're seeing with what happened to you is the breakdown of the masculine energy of competition and the... It's like... It's just the weirdest thing.
		We see this across the board.
		All that matters is, are you a diverse person?
		It doesn't matter... Like, competition, done.
unidentified		Dead.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're trying to get rid of that.
unidentified		I think another thing people forget, like, since I came out here, this is one of the most diverse crews that I've ever worked with.
		Armenian and Jewish and Iranian isn't diverse enough, Richie.
		Right.
		What about the Korean over here?
		Doesn't count?
		Oh yeah, I forget.
		You got a bit of Korean.
		Hey, I'm an ethnic Ukrainian, but nobody cares about that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But diversity doesn't mean actual, like, difference.
		Diversity means This is the funny thing.
		When they say diversity, they mean homogenized opinions.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're like, is it diverse?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What they're really saying is, does everyone agree with the cult?
unidentified		Who do you think is more, um, like susceptible to this stuff?
unidentified		Because what I've seen is women are far more likely to go along with it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Which is crazy to me because we're the ones who get impacted the worst by it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I just, it is the weirdest thing to me where like, You have lesbians that adamantly and fervently Demand the right of males to be at lesbian events.
		And I'm just like, whoa, hold on.
		You don't have to hate the person.
		I'm not saying hate them.
		I'm saying you created a space for a particular group because you would like to meet more people like you.
		I think that's fine.
unidentified		Careful now, I'm like Larry David.
unidentified		I am friend-o-lesbian.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I've got no issue.
unidentified		My point is... We're talking about male lesbians.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we are.
unidentified		Actually, the Red Bull guy was a lesbian.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wow, well look, look, so my point is this.
		Hey man, I don't care if you're a lesbian, I don't care if you're gay, I don't care if you're trans or whatever, you do your thing, you have a good time, you do what you wanna do, but you make your space, you build your space, have a good time.
		So, what's weird to me is, you have females, okay, lesbian is traditionally defined as a female attracted to females.
unidentified		No, no, no, it's a person from the island of Lesbos.
unidentified		Didn't they change that to a non-man?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes!
unidentified		Attracted to a non-man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was an organization that claimed lesbian means non-man, attracted to non-man, and it's like, but that means you could have two non-binary males and call them lesbians.
		So what is the purpose of the word but to define a thing so people can understand?
		So my point is this.
		There are, there's a group called, what is it called?
		Get the L out?
		Is that what it is?
		No, no, no.
		I forgot what it's called, but there's... I think it's Get the L Out.
		There's a group of lesbians in the UK that believe that LGBT doesn't make sense because LGB defines something specifically, but trans is something totally different.
		And so you have groups like LGB Alliance, which is lesbian, gay, and bisexual.
		They removed trans from it.
		But you have females, attracted to females.
		Are you talking about the Shishi Lounge?
		Wait a minute.
		with fervor defend.
		If you ask them, you'll say, if a biological male showed up to a lesbian bar that said, you know, it's for lesbians, but they were clearly male with a beard, and they said they were women, yes, they're allowed in.
unidentified		- Are you talking about the she, she lounge?
		- Wait a minute. - There's something strange about this place.
		This lesbian bar doesn't have a fire exit.
		- Enjoy your death trap, ladies.
		- This guy watches, watched too much Simpsons. - I've been at a Simpsons table read and seen Dan Castellaneta do Homer Simpson.
		He tucks his top lip and I never forgot it.
		- Wow.
		- He tucks it like this.
		- On the other hand though, you see like- - As an aside.
		There are a lot of lesbians who speak out about this stuff, like Ariel Scarcella.
		She was one of the first shows that I went on when I first spoke up.
		She reached out to me and I was like, oh my gosh, it's Ariel, because I used to watch her show all the time.
		I still do now, but like before all this.
		But it's crazy, like, at this contest, after I speak up, even some of the girls who were in the contest, there were some who were speaking up behind the scenes and I'd heard about it through mutual friends before I finally posted, but some of them started going after me.
		Like, as if I had done something wrong and they were really supportive of this person.
		And I'm thinking, well, first off, you guys weren't placed in any way.
		You weren't impacted.
		But, second off, like, don't you care enough about other women who are passionate about the same thing as you to want them to have equality?
		And for yourself to have equality?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look, I feel for you, Taylor, but part of me is just like, okay, no more women skateboarding.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have a nice day.
unidentified		You know what?
		I'm 28 years old.
		Shut it down!
		Shut it down!
		I'm getting married and getting ready to have a baby hopefully in the next couple years, so if women really want to deal with this stuff, I can't hold their hands and fix it for them.
		It's their problem.
		But I will keep speaking up about it because I want to have kids, and I don't want my daughters to not have the same opportunities that I had in sports.
		And it impacts every sport, not just skateboarding.
		I don't care what sport my future hopeful daughter loves one day, I want her to be able to succeed in that if she works hard at it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, she's gotta skate.
unidentified		I hope she skates.
unidentified		If she doesn't skate, I'm gonna be really sad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It'll be up to you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You gotta buy a skateboard for your daughter.
unidentified		Well, we'll see.
unidentified		I don't know how many kids I'm gonna have or if they're gonna be boys or girls or what, but they're gonna be surrounded by skateboarding.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do we often see when it comes to males competing in female sports?
		These are guys who did not rank that well.
		After they transition, are now ranking very high among female athletes.
		So if this is what persists, there will just be no female sports.
unidentified		I'm just bummed I get no credit for, I've been a cross dresser this whole time.
unidentified		I only wear women's clothing, but I'm not claiming anything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Identify as a woman.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can just say you are and then you can compete in women's sports.
unidentified		I identify as a lot of things.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's the end result.
		If it's not going in the direction, we don't see biological females competing against males.
		In fact, I'm going to go for it.
		I'm going to go for it.
		I'm going to, I'm going to, you guys want to be controversial?
unidentified		I think in, like, local, like, smaller contests, you see that sometimes.
		Maybe.
		Let's be controversial.
		Like, when I first started competing, there weren't women's divisions.
		So there'd just be, like, an open division, and it was, like, a local thing in Michigan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How angry do you guys want to make the skateboard community?
unidentified		Oh, let's make them pissed.
unidentified		Well, they're already as angry as they can get.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, why did Leo Baker, formerly Lacey Baker, who I've met and skated with on a few occasions, Identify as a male and trans and then keep continuing to compete against females.
unidentified		I don't know.
		All I remember is being at a party with Lacey and Lacey needed cigarettes and couldn't find cigarettes.
		Didn't they like not or she or he or whatever?
		I don't know what it is now.
		I think that it's like not he anymore and now they're non-binary.
		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look, man, it's not personal, but you will not be able to come to me and say, do not criticize someone's bad behavior because of their identity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
unidentified		Didn't Baker not go forward with competing?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Baker was trans and did compete against females.
		And my question is... Was it Street League or what?
		X Games, I think.
		Okay, Lacey Baker, biological female.
		Very good skateboarder.
		I mean, one of the best females in the world.
unidentified		But, like, didn't go forward with Olympics or something.
unidentified		Did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, Lacey Baker... At one point... Okay.
unidentified		Not talking about Olympics, though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, what happens is, Lacey Baker, female, competes against females.
		Wins.
		Does very well.
		More power to Lacey, now Leo.
		At one point, Lacey says publicly, I am trans, and I am Leo.
		But continues to skate against females.
		Later on says, you know what?
		I'm actually not a trans man.
		I'm non-binary actually.
		And so I'm calling shenanigans on that.
unidentified		Why do you think that is, Tim?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look, why are we not?
unidentified		Is it possible because there are biological differences between male and female?
		Impossible!
		We are not at the same level athletically.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Would not qualify for the male X Games.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No question.
		I do not believe there is a sport so obviously depicting the differences between males and females then skateboarding is the apex of we can discernibly say men and women have different capabilities.
		Males and females are at different levels when it comes to sporting events.
		No question.
unidentified		I agree.
		I have a lot of people tell me, too, like, oh, well, in a sport like skateboarding, it's it's about creativity and skill.
		And it's like, have you ever watched a skateboarding contest where there's a male and a female division?
		Because just watching it, it's so blatantly obvious.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Unquestionable.
unidentified		The huge difference.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Leticia Buffoni, the best female skateboarder in the world, probably is incredibly good.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Incredibly good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She is better than ninety nine percent of men.
unidentified		99% of men haven't parachuted out of a plane from a feeble grind.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, so to break it down, she was in a cargo plane and she jumped on her board with a parachute on, jumped on and slid across a rail and then out of the plane.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She's great.
unidentified		You know what?
		I am gonna go in on the woke losers.
		Woke losers saw that video and said how irresponsible her board could have hit somebody in the head on the ground.
		So you know what?
		You absolute sniveling... But if you're comparing her to male skateboarders, though, you have to consider that she is at the elite level of female skateboarders.
		You're not comparing her to average dudes.
		Right.
		You have to compare her to the best of the best of the guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		So if you take someone like Leticia Buffoni and you bring her to any skate park, she is going to be in the top 5% of the skateboards at that park.
		However, I think it's fair to say Your average local ripper, we would call it, is probably better than her.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Hard no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nah, I'm sorry.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look, we go up to like Hagerstown Skatepark.
unidentified		I don't know about that, but- I go to Estonia with Leticia and I've seen it in person.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know she's good.
unidentified		If you got a bunch of really good dudes who are pro together, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, but I'm saying like, I'm saying every city has their rippers, their top crew, sponsored.
		She's not better than these guys.
		Sorry.
		Like, look.
		Dude, I'm not talking about a local crew of, like, a few teenagers.
		I'm talking about the guys who have been sponsored by the local skate shop for several years, who are Flo or Am for a bunch of these companies, and they will skate around and sometimes go on tours or whatever.
		I'm talking about when you go to your local skate park, and then you're like, oh man, it's, you know, insert company name, Team has just showed up.
unidentified		I guess the point I'm making is Leticia being where she is is not an accident.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		She's one of the best skateboarders in the world outright, regardless of her gender.
		But my point is, Letizia is not going to qualify for the X Games, men.
		It's just not going to happen.
		Look, I've seen her do awesome stuff.
		And there is that one young girl who did, what did she do?
		She did like the kickflip front blunt or whatever, or she did like the blunt bigspin.
		What did she do?
		Kickflip front blunt bigspin at the barracks?
unidentified		Yeah, I think so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm like... Brazilian.
unidentified		That's crazy!
		All these women are Brazilian, by the way.
		Can I just point that out real quick?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy, yes.
		But anyway, what they try to do is they try to say that we should set a testosterone standard for sports.
		I think skateboarding debunks that notion instantly.
unidentified		Well, I think in any sport that's silly because being female is a lot more than your hormone levels.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Like, there's so much more that goes into it.
		There's bone density.
		There's lung capacity.
		There's the size of your heart.
		There's, um, your, like, how fast you react.
		Your reaction time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Center of gravity.
unidentified		Your center of gravity.
		Your hips.
		Your hips are shaped completely differently.
		Also, it's unfair.
		If they're measuring by testosterone, I'm just gonna win every time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right, and they're gonna say, another one is gonna say, Richie, actually your testosterone's too high!
unidentified		It's too high.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're out, you're out!
unidentified		That's the main reason they won't let me compete.
		Check it out.
		The point is there's so many different factors physically that make it different for men and women in athletics, not just skateboarding, but especially something like skateboarding.
		And testosterone is not the end-all be-all of that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They do this thing with a standard of If you have not gone through male puberty, or your testosterone is below a certain level, and that is wrong.
		And skateboarding debunks this idea, and I'll tell you exactly why.
		How old was the person who did the first 1080 in skateboarding?
		That is three complete rotations on a skateboard while in the air.
		How old is this person?
unidentified		Like 9 or 10.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it was like 13.
unidentified		No, he was either 10 or 80.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He was either 10 or 80.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was it Mitchie Brusco or was it Contra?
unidentified		Brusco did the 1260.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Brusco did?
unidentified		Brusco went one better.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Extra rotation.
unidentified		Shout out to Mitchie Brusco, by the way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But he was like in his 20s when he did that.
		So Tony Hawk famously landed the Nine.
		The famous trick, the 900 it was called.
		It's, he goes up on a vert ramp, spins two and a half times around, and comes back down.
		And it was, it was, it took decades of people trying, it was, it was unbelievable.
		Some people thought it wasn't even possible, and then he finally did it.
		And it was the biggest event.
		It created the initial skateboard boom.
unidentified		It did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is what got me into skateboarding.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tony Hawk landing that.
unidentified		Really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how many people our age, Tony Hawk lands the 900.
		The game was already in the works.
		But ask yourself why, you know, Sean, was it Sean Palmer's pro snowboarder?
		Did not do nearly as well.
		Tony Hawk's landing this long side after trick the 900 was a major press event.
		Plus the game.
		Made this major, like, boom.
		A 1080 is an extra rotation.
		So it was a- I think 12 years old is the age of- I think it was Mitchie, maybe, who did it.
		And, uh, 12 years old, landing the first 1080, defeating- was it- Tony Hawk was 30?
		He was in his 30s.
		He was at the peak of his career, trying this trick for decades.
		The Birdman, they called him.
		And it was a little boy who landed the fir- a bigger trick than Tony Hawk.
unidentified		Why do they call Tony Hawk the Birdman?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because he's lanky.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's tall and skinny.
unidentified		No, it's because his last name's Hawk, you moron!
unidentified		Sure, sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A combination of these things.
		But here's my point.
		How is it that a prepubescent boy did one of the greatest tricks, setting a standard, making history in skateboarding?
		Where is any 12-year-old girl doing anything comparable?
		So I am not saying girls shouldn't skate or girls are bad.
		There are many young... Sky Adams, I think.
		Is that her name right?
unidentified		Sky Brown.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sky Brown, sorry.
unidentified		All the women that won the Olympics were like 13-year-old girls.
		That's right.
		Brazil and Japan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they're doing well, but they are not setting historic standards in skateboarding.
		So, you've also had the first ever 1080 on a vert ramp, I think, was Guy Curie?
		Was he nine?
		Nine years old?
		Something like that?
unidentified		I think, listen, it's a smaller object, so it spins faster.
		It's as simple as that.
		But it doesn't have the weight for the inertia.
		Are we going to get into Galilean physics right here?
		Yes.
		Absolutely not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, the first 1080 ever done was done on what's called a mega ramp.
		It's massive.
		You have a 70-foot launch, And you're going like what, what do they go like 50 miles an hour when they're doing it?
		And then you go up a 20 foot wall so you have a lot of time to get that spin.
		The first ever done on a standard half pipe, which is like probably 12 to 13 feet, was done by a 9 year old boy.
		How is it that pre-bubescent boys are at a massive skill level above setting standards well above their female counterparts?
		Because males and females are different in skateboarding.
unidentified		That doesn't mean there's not- They're different even at younger ages, even as children.
		That's my point.
		There's different stages of puberty that kids go through before, like, the main puberty.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And, but more importantly, prenatal testosterone plays a role in this.
unidentified		Yeah, that's- A nine-year-old boy- Thank you for putting the right words to it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Nine-year-old boy has more collagen, more bone density, more muscle mass, even before puberty.
		And so there are- A nine-year-old boy and a nine-year-old girl are skating at different levels.
		That doesn't mean you will not have- I mean, uh, I don't know that young girl's name who's doing the kickflip front blunt big spin out.
		If the only thing you need to take away from that is the verbose nature of that name will help you understand that it is a complicated... If I said, person did kickflip.
		Single word.
		If I say, kickflip, front blunt, big spin, out.
		Like, a lot of words just basically could mean, wow, that's crazy.
		It's a very good trick.
unidentified		I forgot who we're talking to.
		Your audience at this moment, like, when I see them comment on your skating, they go, wow, like, I don't know.
		Well, they say I can't believe he has legs, first of all.
		That seems to be the main thing.
		They're like, I've only seen him from the waist up.
		Right.
		And the other thing was like, yeah, I used to play the video game Go Tim.
		So I don't know how many skaters are watching.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are a lot, actually.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And there are a lot of people who used to skate.
unidentified		Right, right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so there are a lot of people who understand this.
		Being somebody who's, I've been skating since I was 13.
		I'm going on 25 years, basically, of skateboarding.
		I've seen some-ish in my day, and when I see this stuff happening with males competing against females, I'm like, dude, they are just basically taking away the option for women to compete.
		If this persists, and we move forward in this way, it may not be the end of female competition, but it will be the decimation of.
		When you look at the Olympics, let's go back to the Soviet Union.
		Remember that big scandal?
		The females competing in the Olympics from the Soviet Union were all super ripped and hopped up on hormones and drugs because they were like, it's gonna make, you know, hey, if it's just gotta be female, then we'll give them a bunch of drugs.
		Do you not think North Korea or any of these countries that wants to win will not care?
		There's not gonna be some kind of like scruples or threat to their honor.
		North Korea and other communist China, they're not going to say like, well, hold on, hold on.
		We want to be fair to the spirit of the competition.
		They're going to say, how do we win?
		Well, if we have a male athlete at the top level who says they're a female and fits these criteria, then we're allowed to do it.
		And they're like, okay, well, on average, we see these, they're going to do better and we're going to win.
		Okay, let's do that.
		So how will you have, this is what it's going to trickle down to.
		The Olympics, I think, was very bad for skateboarding.
		I don't like the Olympics.
		What happens is, once there is an opportunity to compete in the Olympic level, it mechanizes it.
unidentified		I think so, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, I know gymnasts.
		What were their lives?
		The moment they were born, they said, this person will be in the Olympics.
		As a toddler, they're being made to watch the Olympics.
		They're doing very little, like, very light.
		As they get older, they're teaching them something like, you know, rolling on the ground and do cartwheels.
		By the time they're five, they're doing all of these Olympics.
		Like, I should say, gymnastics.
		And then, everyday training, non-stop, strict diets.
		Holy crap.
		I had a friend who was like, I could not eat anything.
		Like I would be pulled out of lunch for school and made to eat a strict special diet to make sure there's no chemicals, that it's organic, that it's the right protein balance.
		They get their blood tested.
		They say, okay, here's what your body needs.
		Your blood is at this levels because we are talking about the top tier.
		Ain't nobody gonna let a kid eat a ho-ho or Twinkie.
unidentified		At the same time, who was that ice skating chick that took out her opponent's kneecaps?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That wasn't Olympic though.
unidentified		That was Tanya Harding?
		Yeah, Tonya Harding.
		Like, do you think people are gonna start getting like that?
		Oof.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that.
unidentified		But what I can say is... Well, did she do it, or was it like her... She put her cronies up to it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was it her... No, I think she did it.
unidentified		Husband or ex or something?
		It was some weird guys that she hired to do it.
		I think it was, like, the guy she was with, but... I mean, that would disappoint me.
		That hasn't happened in skating yet, but if somebody starts slipping stuff into drinks, or maybe, like...
		Feminizing my country.
		I think it might be a bit of a mystery whether she was behind it or not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Her ex-husband.
unidentified		There we go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When her ex-husband, Jeff Gillooly, orchestrated an attack on her fellow Nancy Kerrigan.
unidentified		Yeah, that's right.
unidentified		Kerrigan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Poor girl.
unidentified		She just got kneecapped.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Banned for life.
unidentified		Crazy story.
		Well, I mean, she hasn't had anything like that.
		She went on to become a professional boxer.
		Oh, yeah.
		I saw the movie about that with Margot Robbie.
		Wait, was it Margot Robbie who played her?
		Yeah, yeah, that was it's been a while there also hasn't been an assassination in skateboarding.
		So if anybody's looking to do the first I Don't know but let's be real.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that that's true.
unidentified		Oh, you think there might have been?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, they're just unknown unknowns a lot of people assassinating themselves But also also like assassination typically refers to someone of political merit, you know what I mean?
unidentified		So skaters have a lot of political Richie.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry if someone killed you it would just be murder.
		Oh I don't know though.
		I mean, considering now entering the fray with politics in this space, I think assassin... So yeah, typically the word assassin implies some kind of significant political relevance.
		So...
		I think if Taylor was killed, it would be an assassination.
unidentified		Oh, great.
unidentified		That makes me feel so important.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying it's gonna happen, guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Calm down.
unidentified		Do you know what it's called if you murder somebody that's part of the royal family?
unidentified		The monarch?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A regicide.
unidentified		Regicide!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a Simpsons joke.
unidentified		That is.
		When we went skating in D.C.
		one time, Tim was like, do you want a vest?
		And I was like, no, I don't want a vest.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was when we publicly announced we were going to be in this location weeks in advance and told everyone to come.
		And I said, it would be kind of funny if we were skating in bulletproof vests.
		And then we decided not to do it.
		It's like nothing's going to happen.
unidentified		Well, they're pretty heavy.
unidentified		It's hard to skate in a bulletproof vest.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it would be fun to, like, you know, skate around.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're heavy.
unidentified		We should go skate in D.C.
		again, though.
		Bring the crew out.
		That was fun.
		It was cold then, though.
		We've got to do it once it's warm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So here's the funny thing about What happened with Washington D.C.
		and these people who are like, oh no, it's Tim Pool.
		Yo, these, these, these, these, two of these individuals were following me around the plaza.
		It's the weirdest thing.
		So it's like I'm sitting down, they sit down 10 feet away, and then start posting messages insulting me and claiming I'm working with people I met one time.
		So I move to the side of the park, they move too.
		I start skating a different area, they start skating the same area.
		I'm like, what are these people doing?
unidentified		Did they actually approach you or say anything?
unidentified		Yeah, figures.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They just hovered around me.
		I think I feel like a lot of these people, the reality is, they're... Man, if you suck at skateboarding, you try as hard as you can and you can't get it, maybe your path towards some kind of prominence is the easiest thing is victimization in politics.
		It's like sour grapes combined with politics.
unidentified		Don't drop the J word, but here it comes.
unidentified		It's just plain old jealousy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jealousy.
unidentified		I think that's a big reason people come after you.
		They're like, how did he do it?
		How did he become successful?
		Why not me?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is my favorite part of this whole thing, is that when I was skating in Washington DC, you showed me this Richie actually, they were claiming I could not do a pop shove it.
		Now hold on, hold on.
		A lot of people are like, I have no idea what that means.
		It is When you are standing on your board, you jump, the board spins halfway around, like it spins around one time, or it's a 180 degree spin, and then you land back on it.
		I learned that when I was 13.
		In fact, it was the first thing I learned how to do because ollies were hard.
		So, to be fair, I could do an ollie is when you jump.
		I could ollie like a couple inches when I first got it, but standing in the grass and jumping to make your board spin is a different motion, and I learned that very quickly.
		Why would they lie?
		Why would they lie about my skill level when I was skating in front of everybody and I'm gonna, without explaining any of the tricks, good luck figuring these out, you can Google them.
		One of the first things I did when I rolled up was a nollie gazelle, nollie backside gazelle, I did a fakie 540 big flip, and then they go online and say Tim Pool could not do a pop shove it.
unidentified		It's happened to me.
		I've read similar stuff, like, that guy showed up to the skate park, tried to do a tre flip for eight hours, couldn't do it, and went home crying!
		I'd say, well, it never happened, but that doesn't seem to matter to you.
		That's happened to me before.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But this is- It's odd, isn't it?
unidentified		Here's the thing, I've never done that!
		I've never gone like, you know, I saw Dennis Wilford at the park today, I was hiding in the bushes, this guy was hanging out for at least ten hours, couldn't land a thing, it's just weird to do.
		Well, it's the same reason they lie about everything.
		They want to, like, decredit you somehow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, but this is my point.
		They cannot allow someone like me to be good at skateboarding because they're trying to take culture over.
		So, this is why they do ads where a person is doing something trash.
		It's like, oh, it's a slappy.
		Like, well, let's make an advertisement for it.
		It's like, what?
		Like, that, like, you see that every five seconds.
		Like, little kids do that.
		Why make a magazine?
		Why spend 20 grand on that?
		They want to control the culture.
		They want to take away.
		And so if someone like me, who is not a pro skateboarder, says, Hey, here's what I think about politics and who you should vote for, blah, blah, blah.
		Also, also, by the way, like here's a video of me doing, uh, an NBD, never been done.
		I'm pretty sure I'm the first person ever to do a hang 10 hard flip late flip.
		And we got it on.
		I did it like eight years ago, but now we've got one on camera that I just did the other day.
		And.
		Uh oh, there are going to be young people who want to learn how to skate are going to go, holy crap, wow, that trick was crazy.
		That gives me some kind of like if the merit that is still a part of sports, that's a threat to them that I'm better than them at skateboarding and may command more influence.
unidentified		They need to control the machine and control the narrative and lie about whether or not Well, I mean, I'll be honest, I think, um, I don't like any vicious attack on anybody's skill level or style.
		I agree.
		And that, uh, seemed to be- the floodgates were open on that.
		Like, you're an excellent skateboarder.
		Some of the stuff they're saying about you, these people that go, you know, I'm all about tolerance, inclusivity, and we're all here for a good time, and- SCREW TIMPOOL, THIS IS DISGUSTING.
		And same with you, Taylor, they're like, this is garbage, and it's like, hold on a minute, a second ago you were preaching inclusivity, and it's all fair, and everybody's having a good shot, and everybody's enjoying themselves, except for you!
		And I find that odd.
		One thing, they hate on that I like freestyle skating, but freestyle is like the history of skateboarding.
		I think it's awesome, and I think a lot of the stuff that I do freestyle, they can't do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course.
unidentified		Like, people hatin' on, like, the Primo Slide video.
unidentified		They can't Primo Slide.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This person who was talking smack couldn't do a big spin.
		And I'm just like, well, hold on, hold on.
		Like, I'm sitting here minding my own business.
		I don't know you.
		I don't care about you.
		Leave me alone.
		I've never met you before.
		I have no issue with you.
		I don't care.
		Following me around the park, trying to do a big spin.
		To clarify, big spins are a little bit more advanced than the shove-it, but still pretty easy for anybody.
		And I'm like, why is this person posting pictures of me, taking secret pictures of me and my girlfriend, posting, watch out, a white supremacist is here, going online and trying to get people fired.
unidentified		It's odd.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Chasing me around, unable to do one of the most basic and easy tricks.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They could not do it.
unidentified		I guess something I've noticed is people that tend to be able to do it are not going to comment like that.
		I can't imagine Rodney Mullen sitting down and going, well, that was quite terrible execution.
		Never come to the spot again, Tony Hawk's not saying that and this is the one word I hate the most is people go Irrelevant irrelevant irrelevant.
		Have you noticed that relevant people don't use the word irrelevant?
		Yeah, they simply it's not in their vernacular.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's sour grapes Yeah, I think here you have someone who is bad at skateboarding who wishes they were better.
		They see someone like me and they're like I'm angry this person is better than me.
		They shouldn't be.
		What can I do to hurt them?
unidentified		Which is odd.
unidentified		It seems antithetical to the spirit of skateboarding.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Agreed.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There is, and this is, I know we're very much like in the skateboarding track, but this is everything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You name it, video games, card games, movies, comics, basketball, you know?
unidentified		So why is everybody turning evil?
unidentified		Why can't we all just get along?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're not turning evil, they've always been evil.
unidentified		They're just getting really comfortable doing it publicly.
unidentified		So you think this is the core of human nature rearing its ugly head and showing itself now that it's permissible?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I think it's a small percentage of people, but good people do nothing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And all that is required for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
unidentified		That's almost the worst problem.
		Like, if people just sit back and let shit happen, it doesn't get resolved.
		And then it creates this illusion that everybody actually agrees with the bad stuff that's happening.
		So what you're saying is the answer is violence.
		No, no, but it's people like having a, having a spine.
		But what harm is having a spine?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kathy Newman, that was your, that was your Kathy Newman.
		Remember when she was interviewing Jordan Peterson and he's just like, you know, some people are mean.
		And then she's like, so what you're saying is you hate women.
unidentified		He's like, what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I didn't say that at all!
unidentified		You do a pretty good Jordan Peterson.
		No, it's my day off.
		Leave me alone.
		I met Jordan Peterson in DC, ran into him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's cool.
unidentified		He was like, oh, you work for Timcast.
		It's a very dangerous company.
		Also, shout out to Mr. Peterson for backing skateboarders all the way.
		Oh yeah, he's a fan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what'd he say?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Don't bother kids when they're skateboarding?
unidentified		Don't bother kids when they're skateboarding, man!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's one of his rules for life.
unidentified		He was, uh, he was, like, bummed that they were kicking kids out from skating handrails.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Look, man, I own a business.
		I totally get it.
		And that's why the security guard stuff and skateboarding pisses me off.
		And I'm just like, dude, you have like when I see skateboarders fight with security guards, it's it's so bad for skateboarding and it's so bad for the business.
		And I'm just like all around the worst thing you can do.
unidentified		I'm going to say something controversial.
unidentified		I think Go Skateboarding Day is a terrible idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why do you say that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's June 21st.
unidentified		Yeah, because you release a horde of teenagers in the streets who are going to destroy everything in sight.
		I know what it was like to be that age.
		You want to just tear everything apart.
		And they do.
		And this is the message we're putting out there.
		Like, if you allow us to assemble en masse, we will destroy the city.
		Go Skate Day is fun.
		You stop.
		I know!
		But man, don't you think people are paying attention going like, well, okay, you should get out of our way.
		Yeah.
		All right.
		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you, I'll tell you guys one thing, right?
		So you have a teenager skating a stair set or a handrail at a building.
		Security guard says, you got to leave.
		Kid says, no.
		Everyone tries to play this game of, oh, I would never sue, man.
		I accept responsibility.
		It doesn't matter.
		There have been a bunch of instances.
		I had a friend who was at another friend's house, skating in his driveway.
		Okay, two teenagers.
		Teenager A. Let's just call him Bill.
		Let's call the other guy Rick.
		Bill goes to Rick's house.
		Bill falls down in the driveway and breaks his arm.
		Bill says, I'll take care of it.
		He's like 16.
		Bill goes home.
		Bill's parents sue Rick's family.
		Rick's family loses.
		And the kids are like, dude, why are your parents doing this?
		Doesn't matter.
		The parents decided.
		The parents said, they should not have allowed you to do it.
		Their driveway was bad.
		You got her on their property.
		They're responsible.
		They have to pay for it.
		Rick's family says, we didn't even know he was doing it!
		We didn't tell him he could do it.
		He came over to hang out.
		So this is what happens with businesses.
		Some kid will be like, I'm gonna skate here.
		The kid falls and gets hurts.
		The parents file a lawsuit against the business.
		The business has to pay for it.
unidentified		Is this a math equation?
unidentified		How many bills does Bill end up with?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, how about... That's right.
unidentified		How many cases can you actually find that somebody really sued a business for skateboarding?
unidentified		Because I wager a few.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Probably too many.
		And the other issue is it's not even about suing, it's about the business may have its insurance revoked if the security guard did not... I'm willing to bet the only reason, like, I'm willing to bet there's probably in the hundreds of circumstances where a business had a security guard, the guy said one more time, security guard said, okay, that security guard got fired.
		No question.
		Like, business insurance is so incredibly difficult to get, and you have crazy rules and contractual obligations to maintain it, that if a security guard says yes, the insurance company is gonna say, you have to fire that security guard, otherwise we're cancelling your insurance.
		They'll say, okay.
		They'll say, hey, you're fired, you let him skate.
		And so, that's why a lot of security guards will be like, no way, and they'll actually get in front of the skater and try and stop him.
		I'm also willing to bet there are many businesses who had their insurance revoked because they didn't have a security guard trying to stop the skaters.
		So, people don't understand business insurance is nuts, and in some instances, it's even legally required.
		This is why security guards are like, you can't do it.
		It's like, the machine is a crazy beast.
unidentified		They're just trying to do their jobs.
		They're not trying to ruin your day.
		But... Some of them are, dude.
		I've gotten hurt before skating at spots, like, as a teenager, and then I get home and all that happens is my dad grounds me.
		He doesn't try to, like, sue a business.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it's like...
		What's the percentage?
		Does it require a lawsuit?
		And will the insurance company pull their support, like, pull the insurance of the company over it?
		So, uh, a couple things can happen too.
		Let's say you have a, uh, not every skate spot.
		is a massive multinational corporate building.
		It could actually be a small business where the building's worth a couple hundred thousand dollars and it's a mom-and-pop shop.
		Some kids are skating a stair set in front.
		Some kid falls and hits his head.
		Parents don't sue.
		Insurance company finds out and they say, because you're not maintaining security of the premises, we're revoking your insurance.
		Now they're like, we can't, that's it, we're screwed.
		We're out of business.
		So this is why typically they're like, stay off my property.
unidentified		So you think a big danger to mom-and-pop stores going out of business is people skateboarding and them losing their insurance as a result?
unidentified		I'd say the bigger danger was COVID!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, for sure.
		But my point is, don't be surprised when they're like, stop what you're doing.
		And then these skateboards are like, who cares, man?
		It's like, what do you care?
unidentified		I think it is different with a mom-and-pop though, because you might actually respect them when it's like a bank and some asshole security guard who literally wants to fight you off rip.
unidentified		It's like, come get it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Except you don't know what a mom-and-pop looks like.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dude.
unidentified		It's not the security guard.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People are making assumptions that all mom-and-pops are gonna be like some little rinky-dink corner store.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No way, dude.
unidentified		It's a Bank of America.
unidentified		That's mom-and-pop, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but Burger King could be.
unidentified		It is?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Burger King's a franchise.
unidentified		That's a monarchy!
unidentified		It's run by the king.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Burger King's a franchise.
		So in Oakland, for instance, there's a Burger King.
		This has been, you know, eight years since I've been there.
		It's a Burger King with a big sign in the window saying, please do not hurt us.
		This is owned by a family.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because a guy says, like, I don't want to work for the men anymore.
		So you contact the Burger King Franchise Corporation, they say for $10,000 we'll give you the starter kit.
		He invests his life savings, puts his house up as collateral, gets a loan, and opens a single Burger King restaurant.
		And then a bunch of crackpot extremist leftists show up and say, Burger King's a corporate store!
		And they smash the window out.
		These people don't get it.
		And so there's also, it could be a storefront in a very large building.
		Let's say it's a strip mall.
		And it is a rental spot where they're responsible for the sidewalk in front of the store, which includes the stairs.
		And when they rent the property, they say you will maintain the property, including the walkway in front of your location.
		In Chicago, actually, this is funny, you are legally required to, uh, you are legally liable for the sidewalk in front of your home, despite the fact the sidewalk is owned by the city.
		So if you don't shovel the snow and someone slips and falls, your fault.
		Mom and Pop, let's say they're in their 40s, say we're going to open our very first arts and crafts store.
		They're in a strip mall.
		The strip mall has a small set of stairs and a railing in front of it.
		And a kid goes and starts skating it, falls and hits his head.
		The strip mall owner says, you broke your contract.
		You are not maintaining the property.
		You are responsible for these kids in front of it.
		I know we put up no skateboarding signs, but you should have stopped them.
		We're not going to renew your lease.
		Things like that.
unidentified		Right on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying it's ubiquitous.
		I think 99% of the time skateboarders going out skating is going to result in nothing.
		And people are mostly going to be like, this stuff doesn't happen.
		But my point is simply that.
unidentified		I've done terrible things.
		Yeah man so one time we were in Barcelona right and there's this perfect essentially a swimming pool but it's out the front of a defunct restaurant and I put all these foam pads on there so I could do the Jesus lizard and run across the water with my board in my hand And I was so close and I was getting away with it, but then a guy came down.
		I didn't know, but I was peeing against the building and he noticed me, but he looked like a tycoon.
		Like he had a cigar and a very nice suit and white hair.
		Cowboy hair?
		No, he was like a, how would you describe him?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He was... A baron?
unidentified		Yeah, like a baron, but a Spanish baron.
		And yeah, I was like, I had a moment of like, wait, what am I doing?
		Look at what I've got set up all these things across here.
		You know it was just an absurd moment, and he was like you need to leave I'm trying to reopen my restaurant.
		I'm like you're probably right like I should pack up and go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know we had we've had instances where People, I've talked about when I was working as a manager for a band, I'm at a venue, and I want to go backstage.
		Now, here's the thing.
		I was managing a band, and the organizers did not give the band all access passes, which was personally insulting to us, as we needed to use the backstage area.
		Nope!
		Supervised entry and exit, you can play your set and get out.
		And I'm like, no, no, no, hold on.
		All of the bands, they get to hang out, eat fruit, and have drinks.
		Why are we getting the shaft?
		So I went backstage.
		I walked backstage.
		I said, you know, and what I did was, first thing I did, I just tried walking past a security guard.
		Here's my thing.
		Unless someone says my name, they ain't talking to me.
		So, he's by the stairs, I walk right past him, and he goes, yo, hey, yo!
		And I just keep walking.
		And then he goes, hey, man!
		And then he runs up the stairs.
		It was only like five stairs in the curve, so he turns around, goes up a couple, and then says, yo, dude!
		And I'm like, okay, he got me, he got me.
		And I'm like, what?
		And he was like, where's your pass?
		And I was like, dude, I'm working!
		Come on!
		And he's like, no, bro, no pass.
		You can't come.
		Come on, come down.
		And I'm like...
		So I walk down, immediately start walking through the crowd, and I see a guy with a camera, and I was like, hey bro, you wanna go backstage?
		And he goes, sure, come with me.
		This is like a minute later, we then walk past him again, and he goes, bro, I said no!
		And I was like, dude, I'm working!
		And I point to the camera guy, and he goes, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, dude.
unidentified		Right, right, right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Then I go backstage, one of the guys from the other band, I tell him, these MFers didn't give my band any of the passes, they gave us wristbands, which were family room access, and he goes, oh, and he hands me a pass.
unidentified		Of course.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Me telling that story is very different from, we've had people try sneaking onto our property, into events, and I'm like, that's a good way to get seriously hurt.
		Because there are people who think, I hate so much as, what is it, they say it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission?
		Not with me, dude!
		No, no way.
		Like, not when we're swatted 15 times, when we have death threats.
		You think, like, I'm gonna come on this property and then ask for forgiveness later?
		I mean, maybe your parents can ask for forgiveness after a security guard seriously injures you or something and you're in the hospital.
		If you- if you commit burglary coming into the property thinking, like, I'll just ask for forgiveness later, it's like, well, after my security guard intercepts you and applies, you know, their legal right to defend the property.
		So my point here is just...
		You gotta know the circumstances, man.
		Not everything is just, I can do what I want.
		Skateboarders have this very much fight with security guards mentality.
		I see these videos on Instagram, and I'm like, how does Instagram allow these?
		It's one thing when it's minor, and it's a guy arguing with a security guard, and then he throws his board down, hits the stairs, and they go, yay, and then they leave.
		Still kind of bad.
		But there's videos of people, like, shoving security guards and stuff, and I'm just like, dude, this is so bad.
unidentified		One thing I will say that I really didn't enjoy was, like, Scooter Slam Sundays, and it was scooters getting annihilated and skateboarders just celebrating it in the comments, almost like the fact that they're on a different wheeled vehicle makes them not as much of a human.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe skateboarders are just bad people.
unidentified		Well, I think so.
		I mean, I'm sitting right here.
		But that was, it was evident to me that I'm like, oh my God, because they're on a scooter, you actually think they're not feeling real pain.
		And I'm like, this is so strange.
		By the way, I want to make massive inroads with our new project towards the scooter community.
		I believe that the elitism that's been separating scooters, rollerbladers, people of different wheeled devices has to come to an end.
		And I think we got to come together because elitism isn't working anymore.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We need equity in action sports.
unidentified		I think so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Diversity, equity, and inclusivity.
unidentified		I mean, it's the old Animal Farm, right?
		Four wheels good, two wheels bad, you know?
		Like, that's what we're dealing with and I think we got to get past that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's like four is the only acceptable number.
unidentified		Precisely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bikes, bikes no good, rollerblades, they got too many.
		They got eight.
		It's insane.
		The middle wheels and now they got four, but that doesn't count.
unidentified		If any extraterrestrial observer saw this, they would go, like, you're fighting over what?
		The amount of wheels on your device?
		Like, it just wouldn't make any sense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People need bigotry, I guess.
unidentified		Yeah, there's wheeled bigotry, no doubt.
		That is the good thing about the project we're working on, which we haven't even mentioned, is called The Boonies.
		We're going to have our Betarix situation going on.
		Precisely.
		And what does set it apart, though, is that it will have more than skateboarding.
		Like, the scooter homies going down the 17 stair rails.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who's that crazy scooter guy?
unidentified		Jussie Carter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, he's like the Ritchie Jackson of scooters.
unidentified		He most certainly is.
		He's a good buddy.
		We're gonna have him out here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		His videos are awesome.
unidentified		They're incredible.
		I called him the Andy Anderson of scootering when I saw the video.
		Andy Anderson, you're also invited.
		Come on.
		I'm also gonna take this opportunity to plug my new podcast called The Ritchie Jackson Agenda, which is also on the Boonies YouTube, and you can watch it right here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We are investing massively.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, let's talk about Martinsburg a little bit.
unidentified		Yeah, what happened there?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, so, we're building these, it was a recent idea, the anti-Times Square in Martinsburg.
		Martinsburg, West Virginia.
		It's one of the bigger towns in West Virginia, but it's not very big at all.
		And it's been on the decline for varying reasons, economically.
		So, uh, we like the place.
		We like West Virginia.
		It's in the Panhandle.
		It's close to a bunch of major urban metros, and it's a great opportunity for investing if you are not particularly wealthy.
		So if, you know what's really funny?
		Let me just, for people who don't run their own businesses, how much do you guys think a car dealership makes per month?
		Just like a run-of-the-mill car dealership, a single car dealership location.
unidentified		A million.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You are correct.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One million dollars is like a good number for a car dealership.
unidentified		How about that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I win.
		That's kind of surprising.
		You're like, wait, wait, hold on.
		You mean to tell me that car dealership's got two or three million dollars in the bank?
		I don't expect that.
		Yeah, of course, of course.
		And they pay their staff with it and they do all those things.
		So a million bucks is not a lot of money to your local car dealership.
		And I'm not even talking about the assets of the cars themselves.
		I mean, those are worth another million or whatever.
		They generate a million bucks in revenue.
		That's not profit.
		So when you're looking at even as successful as TimGas has been, we still want to find a place that is in need of economic development where we can get lower cost property and things like this.
		And so, we've been looking to buy property to build a skate park, and to, you know, expand.
		And, uh, there was, there is a DIY skate park.
		That means do-it-yourself.
		Although, that is an incorrect, uh, uh, uh, incorrect phrasing.
		I, I have only recently discovered.
		A flyer was being passed around the community, among skateboarders, for which one was passed to me.
		And, uh, basically outlining, Martinsburg DIY.
		Come skate.
		No official organization, no owned property, no nothing.
		It was like a local crew doing a thing.
		So I was like, hey, we're going to throw out a bunch of money.
unidentified		Well, well, as I made the mistake of trying to add to the prize pool, which was unforgivable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's the mistake made by me.
		It is not a DIY.
		The actual circumstance was that this is private property.
		That was uh we had been actually looking at because but we couldn't find the the it's an interesting story but I'll keep I should keep the I want to keep some privacy for the for the people involved so but uh we wanted to buy this we were looking at other property And so I assumed it was derelict and some dudes just came and built the thing.
		Turns out the way they viewed it, these people from Frederick and from Martinsburg, Frederick is 50 miles away, Frederick, Maryland, is that it was a private park they owned and no one else had permission to be a part of without their explicit permission.
		Once I discovered that, I said, okay, we're not going to be involved.
		But we were actively trying to buy the property.
		Why?
		It's four and a half acres of concrete-covered property.
		That concrete is probably worth millions of dollars.
		It was derelict, and so we were like, if the city has already allowed a park to be there, it means we basically are grandfathered in.
		They can't then try and tell us we can't... They can try and block us, but basically, we buy this property.
		We leave their DIY whatever alone.
		Do your thing.
		But we can build a park on the other side where there's already concrete, saving a lot of money, and the precedent has been set.
		The city allows people to come here to skate.
		They would have a harder time trying to challenge us to make it stop happening.
		And so this resulted in people making up a bunch of fake stories and lies.
unidentified		Well, they shut the event down due to concerns for our safety.
		It's a complete lie!
		You only did good things.
		You threw money, you said I'm gonna buy the thing so that you can own it, and then they just shut the event down.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, this is the crazy thing about the cult, right?
		Let's talk about the woke cult and, you know, let skateboarding just be a specific example for this one.
		These are people who were putting on an event that was not on property they owned.
		It was not officially labeled as a private park.
		It was said to be a do-it-yourself public event with random groups.
		Meaning, if someone said, come to State Street, you know, downtown, you'd be like, okay, like clearly that's just public property.
		I can do what I, you know, I can do the same in the public as anybody else.
		For them to then say we know the owner and we have private permission to do this and it's private property You're not allowed to be here.
		I was like, oh, I had no idea.
		Okay, I'm out.
unidentified		Hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So here's what happens We were I was I was with Allison my girlfriend were in Martinsburg looking at a lot which is 3,000 square feet and We wanted to buy and clean.
		It was a derelict lot, and I said we could lay concrete, put some trees here, we can make the city a little better.
		We want to build an anti-Times Square, we want to bring economic development to these generational businesses, protect them, and expand the area and create a space for ourselves.
		A dude walks up while I'm talking to the agent, screaming in my face, and I'm like, I don't even know what he's talking about.
		I barely knew anything about their spot or, like, the event or anything.
		Then another guy pulls up his car, jumps out, starts screaming in our face, telling us we're not welcome here.
		Here's the crazy thing.
		The actual sponsors for the event were from Frederick, Maryland, 50 miles away, and our building that we own right now, where we're putting a skate shop, is two blocks away.
		But the issue is you get these woke people.
		They don't care about skateboarding.
		They care about their cult, I guess.
unidentified		It reminds me of a Buddhist parable that I'll share with you if I may.
		A man once traveled far and wide to see the Buddha for the purpose of spitting upon him.
		Man spits on the Buddha and people go, I disagree.
		Are you mad?
		Are you mad?
		This man just spat on you?
		And he said, no, I feel no anger at all for he did not spit on me.
		He spat on who he thought I was.
		I think that's what happened.
		I think they had an idea about who you are and they went into it guns blazing.
		You disagree? - I disagree.
		So you're not the Buddha?
		Alright, alright, let's not get too big of a head.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nope, you're giving me too much credit.
unidentified		You're not an immortal being, alright?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think two things.
		I think a lot of these people, not every single one, some people maybe just wanted to skate, but why were rumors spread that I was going to tear down their skate park?
		Why would a skateboarder of two and a half decades say, I'm going to destroy a skate park?
		That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
		If anything, I'm like, I'm going to expand your skate park and preserve your right to skate here!
		This is crazy, right?
		Why would they spread these lies?
unidentified		Plot twist, we had a private meeting and we are thinking about demolishing the whole thing.
unidentified		Unless you acquiesce to our agreement.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Unless you fly Gadsden flags and vote for Trump.
unidentified		It seems like we are going to need blackjack and hookers.
unidentified		Skateboarder buying the park's the best thing that could happen to it, so that way it doesn't somehow get removed or torn down for any other reason.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		So we want to build a park.
		We want to expand.
		And so when we were looking at properties, there were like three properties we were looking at.
		We were looking at this one.
unidentified		Why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a park there already.
		If we want to spend half a million dollars on building a big public park that will attract people from all over the tri-state, we can do it.
		And we're like, this property is derelict.
		Like, it's just, who owns it?
		I want to preserve the privacy of the people involved, but let's just say the data was incorrect on ownership.
		And so I'm like, so this is derelict, right?
unidentified		Not only were they lying about owning the park, they were saying that they would forcibly remove you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, this is another crazy thing.
unidentified		Getting forcibly removed from the property you own?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so it's an abandoned property.
		Look, I don't know if the previous owners might get mad.
		It was derelict.
unidentified		Take a hike, boss.
unidentified		I'm running things now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was derelict and the only challenge in purchasing was locating the actual record holder because the data was incorrect.
		Derelict is maybe too mean.
		I'm trying to be nice.
		They did not care about it.
unidentified		It's more dereleaked.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dereleaked.
		And so these dudes who are there, here's what I think.
		These people were like, so long as the people who own it don't care, we own it.
		We can do whatever we want, we're in charge, it's effectively our property.
		We can build whatever we want, do whatever we want, it's ours.
		So when I step in and say, I'd like to expand, what's actually happening is, uh-oh, our pseudo-ownership is being taken from us.
		That was a big component of it.
		They didn't own the property, They had street ownership of the property in terms of the city hates them, they've told me this, and it's their like, so long as the owner doesn't care, they can do whatever they want.
unidentified		Has anybody thanked you after the fact?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, and here's the thing.
		When they say, you're not from here, you can't be here, and it turns out that several of these people are from 50 miles away, what do I discover?
		Well, the people that they're working with Are part of a skate shop that flies progress pride flags and has these kinds of events and is clearly aligned left politically.
		So me just being like, we're gonna build a skate park.
		They're like, it can't happen.
		We cannot allow Tim Pool to build a half a million dollar skate park or more on this property.
unidentified		It's sad because it'd be good for the economy in Martinsburg in general, people will travel to come skate, they'll grab lunch afterwards, they'll hit up the corner store, they'll get gas, like it'll bring people from all over the state, well multiple states.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what I end up seeing is, Much like, why are they lying about my ability to skateboard?
		Why are they saying I suck at skateboarding?
		So this is why I started posting a bunch more skate videos.
		I'm like, no, no, I'm gonna make sure you know I'm better than you at skateboarding and you do not get to take this culture over.
		It was basically like, watching wokeness in skateboarding was so offensive to me as a skateboarder that I finally was like, I'm gonna start posting videos and we're gonna start building and investing here.
		So basically what I think it is, These people have a weird political cult mentality.
		They're not good skateboarders.
		They skateboard.
		And that's fine.
		You don't need to be the most talented or best skateboarder in the world to be a skateboarder and have fun.
		But when they start trying to assert politics in the space, which excise people from the space.
		They said they would physically remove me from the property if I tried to skate there.
		And I'm like, you don't own the property!
		It's the craziest thing to me.
		Understand this.
		As we're talking about skateboarders who trespass every day and fight with security guards to skate, that other skateboarders would say, we will physically remove you if you try to come to property we don't own.
unidentified		It's crazier than that.
unidentified		I've had people, old friends, hit me up and just terminate the friendship because of my association with you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Out of the blue, they'll go like- They were never your friends.
unidentified		That's what I'm saying, but they actually were to me, you know, they still are to me, they're welcome to come back and be my friend.
		But I've explained to them multiple times, they're like, but, but, but, Republicans!
		And I went, are you working under the assumption that Republicans aren't people?
		Do you think they don't love their children?
		Pet their animals?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Drink water.
unidentified		Like, what do you think is going on?
		You know, that's where I stand, and I know this, nobody's gonna like this, but it is the United States, and it's meant to be shared.
		The idea that Republicans are just all not people, conservatives are all not people, is a left idea, and I don't see it particularly coming the other way.
		Yeah, the right is, like, embarrassed by the left, but nobody's saying, like, you are impermissible, and the left seems to think that anyone on the right is just an impermissible person.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is what we're gonna do.
		I think right now, politically, it's getting bad.
		Like, I've had conversations with people who I do consider friends, who are very opposed to political, and I'm just like, to me, and I'm like, wow.
		I do not understand the mirror image of morality.
		It is absolutely insane to me.
		When, you know, I had a friend recently say, a baby gestated at nine months, is not life and has no human rights.
		And I'm like, wait, wait, wait.
		And I was told it is the woman's choice whether to kill that baby or not, because it's not a baby and it doesn't matter.
		So long as the baby is in the woman, it can be killed.
		And I'm like, you see, I'm actually traditionally pro-choice.
		I don't understand why you would kill the baby.
		If the woman wants to end the pregnancy, by all means end it.
		But if the baby can survive on its own, why kill it?
		And she said explicitly, who cares?
		It's the mother's choice to kill it.
		Maybe she doesn't want to be a mom.
		Maybe she doesn't want the baby to exist.
		And I'm like, holy!
unidentified		Wow!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Our morals will never come together.
		That's an impossibility.
		And it's a scary one, too, because the moral line is getting so intense.
		Like, to me, she's talking about outright killing a baby.
		I understand pro-lifers think even at, you know, one day's conception.
		But for me, as, like, I'm like, you're talking about a nine-month-old.
		They don't care.
		I'm like, when I see something like that, I'm just like, dude, here's what I want to do.
		One of the reasons why I want to own this skate park, I want them to skate there.
		I want these lefty cultists to skate there, but guess what?
unidentified		They're invited!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're gonna have to skate there with all the conservatives, too.
unidentified		I think that's fantastic!
		I think we're seeing more and more that, like, people on the left don't even want to sit and have a conversation.
		They shut it down.
		They shut you down.
		And, like, you and I, like, we disagree on the, um, like, abortion issue.
		I'm pro-life.
		You're traditionally pro-choice.
		We can skate and hang out and get along and have a conversation about it just fine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it's almost like, man, even though we disagree, we are still substantially closer to each other in the argument than the left is.
unidentified		Definitely, yeah.
		Like you don't have some crazy extreme viewpoint on it.
		To me, I think that life is life and all life is valuable and I think that it is everyone's right to have life and that includes babies who are in the womb.
		But, like, you and I could have a reasonable conversation and not get upset about it, not shut each other down, not, like, block each other on social media, and I can't talk to most leftists about that.
		They wouldn't even hear my point of view.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're Nazis.
		You know, I- I- I- I- I- I- Too many people who are aligned with the libertarian, post-liberal, and conservative views are, like, scared to use these phrases.
		Like, dude, no.
		You'll say, like, the left are the real fascists, they're the real Nazis, and then they'll say, haha, you're so dumb, no, I don't care what they think, okay?
		They're eugenicists, they're authoritarian, they march in lockstep with corporations and government, the lucrative merger of corporation and state.
		They want to control and own property.
		They want to own and control you.
		They want to restrict your thoughts.
		They want command economies.
		I'm like, dude, there is so little difference between them and Nazis.
		They hate Jews.
		Okay, we're so close to it being the same thing, I'm gonna call them Nazis.
		Sorry, when you have BLM Chicago posting the paragliders, Bro, man, look, somebody wants to come to me and say, I'm very concerned about Israel's military actions.
		Say, oh yeah, tell me more, tell me more.
		And then they say, you know, I think there's a question over how we deal with Palestine and these Palestinians are suffering.
		I'm like, oh, I'm very interested in hearing more about this.
		Then you post a picture of a paraglider who went and murdered a bunch of people at a music festival, and I'm like, dude, I don't think the question is you're concerned about innocent civilians dying.
		I think the concern is that you don't like the people who are currently there, if you know what I mean.
		So, without getting into all of that, let me just say, They want to own the property.
		They want to tell you who's allowed to be there.
		They want to tell you what you are allowed to believe, what you're allowed to say.
		You add all those things together, they support the lucrative merger of corporation and state.
		It is fascistic.
		It is not Nazism.
		And then you add in the fact that you have these, not every single one of them, but large groups of them supporting Hamas.
		And I'm just like, they're so close to what the Nazis were.
		By all means, adding, the Nazis were not progressive.
		One of the big differences between the rise of Nazism and Communism is traditional versus progressive.
		The Communists wanted to erase all culture, Nazis wanted to enforce culture.
		I'm just looking at them like, there are differences, but if they get 8 out of 10, I'm just gonna call them Nazis.
unidentified		There's a good, um, I have a good example of a DIY, uh, like a woke DIY exclusion, uh, scenario in New York.
		There was a DIY and there was an event for LGBT.
		And, of course, I've always rocked with it.
		Like, if you skate, I don't care.
		Like, no one's gonna talk shit to you at the skate park.
		Like, it doesn't really, you know what I mean?
		For the most part.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do think.
unidentified		And, but they have an event and the flyer's like, no cis people, no allies.
		We don't want allies.
		I'm like, you don't want allies.
		Like you don't want us to like you what do you mean like everyone you everybody who wants to come and skate with you You're saying you can't because the inclusion is inverted to exclusion.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's simple.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is the next step of join the cult or else Yeah, because now well, no, they wouldn't let us they wouldn't hang out and be cool with that You're incorrect.
unidentified		All you have to do is say you're trans Have you guys noticed like what's happening with not just women's skate contests but like women's meetups and events in general?
		Oh yeah!
		You will not see a flyer on the internet because like you'll see this stuff on Instagram at different skate parks and it'll be for like a meetup.
		And you will not see one for women.
		You will only see for women and LGBTQWXYZ+++.
		And I used to do this girls meetup group in Kalamazoo.
		I called it Galamazoo because I thought it was really cute, the gals of Kalamazoo.
		And it'd be like once a month we would go to Skate Zoo.
		Girls would pay half price and there would be me and a few other girls who were like the older girls.
		Some were quad skaters, some were skateboarders.
		And we would just advertise it that if you are new to skateboarding, if you already skateboard and you just want to come hang out, have something to look forward to every month where you get to see friends, or if you're a parent who has a daughter who wants to learn to skate, we'll be available to give lessons like pretty much for free.
		And I started getting, like, criticism from people in the community, like, well, is this, like, LGBTQ friendly?
		Like, why doesn't it say women and queer?
		And I was like, well, first off, I'm not the skate park police.
		Anybody can come to a public skate park while I am holding a meetup there, and you're more than welcome to.
		Guys would come, and they would help out and, like, help girls who are learning.
		And it was a very positive thing until it became like everyone was attacking me because I didn't want to put LGBTQ on the flyer.
		And I said, I'm not going to do that because really the main group that I'm focused on here is young girls who are in the same position that I was in when I was a teenager going to the skate park for the first time, feeling very intimidated, not knowing anybody, not seeing any other girls there.
		I want them to come and feel comfortable and know that they're welcome there.
		And be able to actually learn and progress and be excited about going to go for the next event.
		And, like, it had to be all about that.
		And then I started getting girls who were hitting me up saying, oh, well, there's a, like, a trans-identified, like, female who identifies as a man who was, like, violent towards me and I don't want them there and I'm scared to go.
		And I was like, again, not the skate park police.
		I cannot tell anybody not to come.
		Like, you should definitely do whatever you need to do and report that if somebody actually did something.
		But, like, why can't we just have a nice thing for girls to meet up at the skate park?
		Why does it have to be like this?
		It's insane.
		And I've talked to a lot of girls who have noticed this happening in their communities.
		And it's been years since I've ever seen a flyer that was just for girls.
		Now it's girls and non-binary and trans.
		We are not all the same group.
		Girls can have their own stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is the end result of this?
		That's why I'm like Nazis.
		Because if the end result is that males can be in female spaces, females get pushed out of those spaces.
		Which in turn creates a bunch of male spaces.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a return to the traditional world of women are going to be out of the workforce, out of competitions.
unidentified		Women out of the workforce, I'm cool with.
		I'm cool with staying home and raising babies.
		But no, I'm just playing.
		But like, it does create a space where you don't even want to be a part of it.
		Like, I don't want to go to a contest and be made a mockery of, have some dude mop the floor with me, and get to compete for second or third place.
		Like, that's not fun, and it's not... Like, in a space that is supposedly created for women to feel excluded from that, it's a slap in the face.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man.
unidentified		These are crazy days.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A lot of it has to do with the law, too.
		The reason why a lot of companies don't fight back is because... They want that good score.
		No, a lot of states have the law saying you can't discriminate on the basis of identity.
		So New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, California, obviously.
unidentified		But where does it become discrimination on the basis of identity towards women?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the issue, uh, never.
		The issue is interesting because the left is using this argument.
		Back in the day, during racial segregation, the people who were in favor of racial segregation argued that black and white people were different.
		And so it just made sense.
		They were like, oh, you know, black people tend to be taller or whatever.
		And so the left is now using that same argument where they're like, There are short men and there are tall men.
		There are gay women and there are straight women.
		How does it make sense?
		What's your argument for a male not using a woman's bathroom?
		Because you're saying that they might attack the woman?
		Well, a man can go in the bathroom anyway.
		So it's just a space.
		Who cares what bathroom they use?
		The argument then becomes, why bother having two different bathrooms at all?
		And where they will take it is the end of gender segregation entirely, so there will no longer be men's and women's changing rooms or, you know, males and females separated spaces, which in turn creates one very simple and obvious thing.
		Females will stop using these spaces.
		It will push females out of the public spaces entirely.
		I think that's their intention.
unidentified		Well, there are countries that are kind of like that already.
unidentified		And then you're going to have women who are going to be like... It's not going to be a nice society for women to live in.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What happens when there are, and it won't be every female, but a lot of them, are gonna be like, I don't feel safe going into a bathroom with a bunch of males for whatever reason.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they were raped, maybe they were traumatized, or maybe there's in general like, I'm smaller and I can't defend myself because now I'm not allowed to have guns either.
unidentified		Also, there are religious women who, for other reasons, aren't going to be sharing a space like that.
unidentified		Isn't that discrimination on basis of religion?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I use the blackjack analogy.
		Blackjack has 50.5% for the house to win, the casino, and 49.5% for you to win.
		Meaning, I mean, as far as you're concerned, you're flipping a coin, right?
		Doesn't matter for the casino.
		Over the long enough period of time, they make money because they have that small edge.
		That's how it works.
		What's gonna happen with...
		males in female spaces.
		If the if this creates an edge where 49% of 51% of females or 50.1% of females don't feel comfortable going in these spaces over a long enough period of time, it will start becoming more and more lopsided where you will get substantially more males in public events, politics, etc, substantially less females.
		If Women are already at, you know, physical sporting disadvantages compared to males based on like collagen and bone density and muscle mass, etc.
		What is it going to be like when half the women don't feel comfortable even being in the building because there's no bathroom for them?
		Because there's males who use the same bathroom, and then, oh, call them bigots, call them whatever you want.
		I don't care if you think the women are right or wrong.
		I'm saying there are women who will not do this.
		So, let's say there's an Olympic event.
		And they're like, okay, males can compete on the female team, females on the male team, but females don't compete on the male team.
		And then if you want, if you do want to come and compete, okay, athletes all come into the changing room.
		Doesn't matter what your, there's no gender segregation.
		Females get naked in front of the males.
		Okay, now there's your bathroom.
		Take a shower and use a toilet in front of each other.
		Dudes are gonna be like, I'll do whatever it takes to win, and there'll be a lot of women who are like, I don't want to be here.
		That's going to create a negative pressure on females, and what'll end up happening is, what is already heavily male, like 3 to 1, it's gonna become 9 to 1.
		Because you're gonna be just pushing out a large amount, whatever the number is, of females from these spaces.
unidentified		I don't think it's anything to do with gender or bathrooms.
		You know, it's to do with me.
		People are uncomfortable when I'm in any room.
		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's fair.
unidentified		This is true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so, how about then, women have the option whether or not to be in the same space with people like you?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Bad, bad men.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bad, bad men.
unidentified		Hey, weren't you on Judge Joe Brown?
		Can we pull that up?
		What of it?
		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why were you on Judge Joe Brown?
unidentified		Because skate rats bring down the house.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, you destroyed this house?
unidentified		Allegedly.
		I thought you were the one who didn't destroy the house.
		I was the plaintiff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You were the plaintiff.
unidentified		When I first met Dennis, this is what he showed me.
		So this was my introduction.
		People are told to over here party and this is like a party house or something, you know.
		I tried to clean it and keep everything, you know, somewhat nice.
		The place was a piece of s*** anyway.
		Remember, you stayed there for a year.
		Yeah, but it was cheap, man.
		It was cheap.
		Well, if it was cheap, you'd stay there for a year.
		I got more time to clean stuff and pick stuff up than I do money, so... Well... It worked out.
		You're the one that's in the situation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, wait, hold on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, you sued this guy?
unidentified		It was, um... Well, I was suing for a fair share of percentage of damages, um... Yeah, for the place.
		So, like, it wasn't me suing him.
		It was like, we all gotta pay for the damages, so... Oh, and he was refusing to contribute to the... Yeah, I mean, you know, I was the only one on the lease with, like, at a skate house.
		So, it was like, you know...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ah, so you guys destroyed this house and had to pay for it.
unidentified		Over the course of like three generations of skaters, you know what I mean?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, skateboards are bad people, I guess the conclusion is, huh?
unidentified		No, the Slumlord was bad.
unidentified		We won.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You won against the Slumlord?
unidentified		I mean, more or less.
		Go to where he wins.
		I mean... Well, we all win.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that it right here?
unidentified		What's this?
		Oh, that's a spike.
		It is a spike.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, whoa, that got a reaction.
unidentified		American flag that covered that.
		Ripped it down and just started laying off in the wall like a jackhammer, man.
		I got scared and ran to my room.
		Okay.
		They're fascinating.
		What was that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You see, this is what skateboarders do, man.
unidentified		- I'm gonna be a animal after a few, one too many.
unidentified		- Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		- Band skateboarding.
unidentified		- How it was around there often.
		- Notice how clean the kitchen is though.
		- Once.
		I don't know.
		And this is one of the kids' rooms.
		- Yes, that's one of the things. - This is how skateboarders work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, this is so perfect.
unidentified		That was the closet and it was basically falling off the back of the building.
unidentified		He's just got a twin bed in the closet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is such a great example.
		For those that are listening and can't see, the walls are filthy, covered in graffiti.
		There's a box TV.
		What year was this?
unidentified		Like, 2010.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, a TV from, like, 1999.
		Yes.
		You know, you gotta do what you gotta do.
		And the closet's falling off the building.
		This is how skateboarders live.
unidentified		This does not apply to me.
unidentified		Many of us women skateboarders do not live this way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But, right, this is the point, right?
unidentified		You live much worse.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For the skate rat dudes who want to live this way, and then you, like, should...
		Let the skateboarders have separate spaces, you know what I'm saying?
		Like if women don't wanna be in a house like this, or if this is what skateboarders do, and they do a lot, and it's mostly young guys, there's a clear difference.
		Sometimes there are women there, but in my experience, like 99.9% of the time, women are not living in these skate houses.
unidentified		When he moved out, a woman moved into his room though, so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it happens, it happens.
unidentified		More importantly, the judge ruled in your favor.
		Yes.
		Let's see that.
		Big Daddy Joe.
		Wait, doesn't it show some more pictures of evidence?
		Yeah, the next evidence is probably better.
		The pictures are good.
		I mean, this is one of the kids' rooms.
		Yes, that's one of the things... What year?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, 2010 you said.
unidentified		...that I'm upset about is the artwork put on the walls.
		Every wall.
		And that's, it's like, looks like beer cans and ashes.
		Not cigarette ashes, there's too many of them.
		I don't know what they said on fire.
		That old sneaky dustpan caught something on fire.
		Listen, listen, this is the best part, look.
		Oh, he said that's Jamal's.
		He just pinned it on him.
		And he goes, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But so the result is the judge says they're equally responsible.
unidentified		Yeah, he says, you're all, you know, he's like, my friend's like, oh, well, Dennis owes.
		And he's like, well, you all owe.
		And that was it.
		I mean, that's what it was for.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But so I think it's a good example to see like the squalor of skate rats.
		I've talked about this quite a bit.
		Skateboarders are people who will work minimum wage jobs and share a one bedroom with like seven people to cut their costs down so they can just go skate.
unidentified		Yeah, totally.
unidentified		But that's tight.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		I mean, yeah, live, live your life, be free and do your thing.
		But how do you How do you force people like this into the box of wokeness?
unidentified		Yeah, I don't think they're going to stay there very long, especially when we have opportunities here that they can come and join at any point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is the big point I'll make right now.
		I had a conversation with some industry leaders, you know, big company guys, and They were like, hey, look, man, we're hearing about, you know, the D.C.
		thing and the controversy and the Martinsburg thing.
		And like, we don't we don't know a whole lot about all that stuff, but it is kind of crazy to hear.
		And, you know, these older guys are like, you know, F these people don't care about this stuff.
		But, you know, we're just wondering what's going on.
		I said, look, man, here's what we're doing.
		I meet a pro skateboarder and they say, I asked them, why aren't you speaking up about, you know, some of these things affecting the skateboard community, women's sports.
		And they're like, I don't want to lose my sponsors, man.
		Like, you don't understand.
		Like, I don't make that much money.
		If I lose one sponsor, I might not be able to pay my rent.
		And so it's scary.
		I said, okay, here's what we're going to do.
		We are going to build up industry so that pro skateboarder, let's say their name, John Doe is like, look, dude, I agree with you on all of these things.
		I've got three sponsors.
		If I lose one of them, I'm in serious trouble.
		I say, okay, we'll sponsor you.
		And we're gonna pay you triple what any one of these sponsors pays you.
		Now you can go to each and every one of them and tell them to go f themselves.
		You can say whatever you want.
unidentified		Well, I think that fundamentally goes against the do-it-yourself nature of skateboarding.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What does?
unidentified		Let's do it ourselves.
unidentified		If the industry's not gonna make it happen, let's make our own industry.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree.
		I agree.
		I think- I understand people being like, bro, my company- my sponsorship has a morality clause.
		Like, outright says if I do something controversial, I'm out.
		So I just- I don't- I don't say these things.
unidentified		Additionally, there's no retirement plan for any of these pro skateboarders who sacrifice their bodies.
		I've seen stuff that's broken my heart.
		I won't name him, but an extremely talented pro who gave so much, he posted and then redacted a suicide note because he decided not to do it.
		And I'm like, how can he end up in a position like that after giving so much?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A multi-billion dollar industry, skateboarding.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And there he is going like, all right guys, this is it.
		It's been a good run.
		See you later.
		And then deletes it and decided to live.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, man, people like that need There's an argument for the Olympics in that the corporatization will create an alternative world of skateboarding, which can provide something like this.
		But, you know, it just depends on what you care about in terms of core skateboarding.
		I think it's bad for a lot of reasons, but if in the end you can still just do your thing and mind your own business, it's probably fine.
unidentified		I just think it's a tragedy that people see what we're doing and decide, yeah, but you're all persona non grata, so no.
unidentified		This is stupid.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is what I'm saying, man.
		You know, I'm talking to this industry guy, and when I mentioned this, he was like, you have our support 100%.
		Because two reasons.
		One, he's like, if you're telling me you're going to be investing millions of dollars into expanding the culture, inspiring young people, this means that we are going to get run off from this money.
		When we sell more boards, we sell more shoes, we sell more shirts because you're telling people to keep skating and to be free and it makes things better.
		If you're telling pro skateboarders they're secure in their jobs and you're gonna expand that, we're gonna sell more product, this is a good thing for skateboarding.
		The worst thing for skateboarding, and pro sports in general, is wokeness.
		It terrifies people, it scares money away, and it destroys the industry.
		What young person, I mean there's very few of them, are gonna be like, I wanna be like corporate sponsored Walmart!
		Some people.
		Some people do.
		But kids like to rebel.
		They like to be punk rock.
		They like to live with cigarettes, ashtrays, and pentagrams and skate and do their own thing.
		And they're being told now to get in the box or shut up.
		You're out.
		And I think this is going to push people away.
		There's going to be young people who are like, I want to skate.
		They're going to go to the skate park.
		They're going to get berated, insulted, and called racist and sexist.
		And they're going to say, that was scary.
		I don't want to do that again.
unidentified		I will say this, obviously politics is a hot tamale when it comes to skateboarding.
unidentified		This is no diss on Tony Hawk, but he did briefly post an anti-Trump takedown Instagram post.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He took it down?
unidentified		That thing disappeared within five minutes of him realizing that he had split his fanbase.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		It went zip, went away, and I'm like, I saw it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, look man, I think Tony Hawk is a great skateboarder.
		I have to always correct everybody.
		Because I'll be skating and they'll be like, Tony Hawk, he's like the best, right?
		And I'll be like, no.
		Tony Hawk is the best vert skater for his generation.
		He is one of the most influential skateboarders and one of the best.
		But anybody who knows anything knows Rodney Mullen is the godfather of modern skateboarding.
unidentified		I think Tony Hawk, like, broke the barrier of skateboarding, though, that you didn't have to skateboard to know who he was.
		Of course, but he's the ambassador.
		He's the global ambassador.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And that's fair.
		But you ask anybody, like, well, Tony Hawk invented a bunch of tricks, a lot of tricks.
		And it's like grabs, invert, and things like that.
		Rodney Mullen revolutionized skateboarding to the point where every single person today who skates is skating in a derivative style of Rodney Mullen.
unidentified		Well, Rodney Mullen is an astrophysicist savant.
		Yeah.
		But I think that, like, in the past few years, we, like, reached a point that people were, like, hating on freestyle.
		Which is crazy to me.
		They'll be like, Rodney Mullen's the best, but Taylor Silverman can't do that shit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Don't do those tricks, they're dumb!
unidentified		Like, I love Rodney Mullen.
		But I like the, like, combination of freestyle with transition with street skating.
		Like, um... Oh, I mean, yeah, when Rodney Mullen... Like Falcon.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When Rodney transitioned into street skating and started mixing these things together.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what's up.
unidentified		So he said he had a rough time.
		He was at the premiere.
		It was questionable.
		And it's the one where he skates to Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong.
		And he said that his part started up and it was just crickets.
		And he's like, oh my God, I've blown it.
		Like, nobody's feeling this.
		This is not working out.
		I shouldn't have ever started skating street with these guys.
		And he like went through this spiral of, oh, it's all terrible.
		And then the part ended and there was like a millisecond of silence and then just... Just a roar.
		Yeah, he's like, oh, I'm in.
		I've done it.
		And thank you, Rodney.
		Thank you so much.
		We do owe it all to you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we'll give you some skateboard history.
		Alan Ollie Gelfand invented the Ollie, which is the basic jump on a skateboard.
		Your feet are not attached to the board, but many of you have probably seen that someone could stand on a skateboard and somehow the board sticks to their feet.
		That was technically, only technically, invented by Alan Gelfand.
		He was in a pool and he scooped the back tail, allowing him to keep the board on his feet as he turned around and came back down.
unidentified		Without grabbing.
		Prior to that, Tony Alva and his ilk were grabbing.
		He was the first guy to do it without a grab.
		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So they would hold their board to their feet so it wouldn't disconnect.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The actual flat ground ollie was invented by Rodney Mullin.
unidentified		He's a Floridian teenager who only had a flat piece of concrete and his mind to occupy him.
unidentified		And as a savant, he saw that frontside no-handed aerial and thought, how can I apply it to flat ground?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then he did.
unidentified		Figured out the mechanism of it, figured out the leverage.
		And yeah, this goes way back.
		We want to get into skate history.
		So Stacy Peralta is his mentor, right?
		Yeah.
		So Stacy said to him, now he's done the kickflip as an add on to the ollie.
		And Stacy said to him, I bet you can't flip it around the other axis.
		That would be impossible.
		And if you do it, I'm going to call it the impossible.
		So puts Rodney to task on it.
		Rodney works on it for, I don't know how long, but he eventually figured out there was a way around it to wrap the board around his foot.
		And he ends up doing it and that trick now today is called the impossible.
		Do you remember I did one first try the other day?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I take issue with this.
unidentified		Go on.
unidentified		Me landing it or what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, hold on.
		You did it bad.
		Just for the people who, you know, I'll give you the basics of history and Ronnie Mullen.
		When you see a skateboarder running down the street and he does a kickflip, which is, he jumps in the air, the board flips one time under the feet, and then feet back on it, and lands it.
		Rodney Mullen invented it.
		If it flips the other way, where the foot goes forward with the heel, heelflip, Rodney Mullen invented it.
		If it spins and flips, Rodney Mullen invented it.
		Trayflip.
		Trayflip, yeah.
		Rodney Mullen just basically invented everything all modern skateboarders do, and everyone is a derivative of him, for the most part.
		There's other influential skateboarders, Natas Kapis, Mark Gonzales, Antoniok, of course, Chris Miller, there's a bunch of tricks named after these guys, Mike Smith, the inventor of the Smith Grind, these, uh, you know.
unidentified		Well, I feel like I threw Tony Alva under the bus earlier.
		I would like to point out that he invented the kick turn.
		He was the first to go up a ramp, turn around, and come back down.
		Wow.
		Yeah, that's crazy.
		That's why it's Tony Alva, T-A, turn around.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now, I'd like to comment on Ronnie Mullen's Impossible.
unidentified		Go on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ronnie Mullen never actually completed the challenge.
unidentified		Oh my goodness, blasphemy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No.
		So, Peralta said, I bet you can't make it flip on the other axis.
		So I hold up this little skateboard, right here, my hand's right.
		Kickflip goes like this.
		It flips around very easily like that.
		What Peralta wanted to see was this.
		Like the board, how do I get this on camera?
		The board doing a backflip.
unidentified		Oh!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What Rodney Mullen did was he wrapped it around his foot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Technically.
unidentified		Means to an end.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Completing the challenge.
unidentified		However!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		However, wrapping your foot technically makes the board flip end over end, but this has turned- it is not a- it is not a board flip.
		It is- it is using your foot to- so here's the issue.
		The reason he thought it was impossible was that if you flip it end over end, the axis would make it flip.
		The other way as well, so it would never complete a full end-over-end rotation, it would flip on both axes.
		Is that the issue?
		That is the issue with an end-over-end flip.
		Aside from the fact of the size of the board, the issue is when you smack it, it will try to rotate on both axes.
		By putting your foot on it, it prevents one axis from spinning while the other maintains.
		That being said, The impossible flip, or the zero flip, as some people have called it, has since been accomplished, in which the board snaps down and flips clean, end over end, without any contact, and is landed.
		Who did it?
		It's all over Instagram.
unidentified		Seems like a good way to credit card yourself.
		Yeah, totally.
		Popsicle.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see if I can... Oh, I searched for zero flips and weird comes up.
unidentified		This is all so niche that nobody cares.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You guys don't understand the, uh... Let's see, where do we go?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nah, the problem is when you search for zero, it just brings up zero skateboarding.
unidentified		That's a problem?
unidentified		Let's try, uh... When you're not looking for zero skateboarding.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Some people call it the impossible flip.
		Uh...
		Let's see if this short has it.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		That was a dusty hard flip.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's hard because Zero is the name of a company.
unidentified		Let's talk about that.
		The history of Zero.
		Anybody see Toy Story?
		Yeah.
		Anybody remember Sid's shirt?
		Sid the Bad Kid?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wait, I think I might have found it.
		Nope, nope, nope.
		Uh, that was just video game stupid nonsense.
unidentified		There you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is a really crappy video of it.
unidentified		You're giving this kid the credit?
unidentified		Hey, Blake Tech, shout out!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's called the Zero Flip, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, this video sucks, but you can see- Okay, no, I'll give it to him.
unidentified		It flips completely on the- It's like a tray flip that doesn't flip.
		Alright.
		It flips on the back- What was his name, Blake Tech?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Blake Tech.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Back axis.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh, let's try Impossible Flip.
unidentified		Imagine he's watching this right now.
unidentified		He is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Impossible Late Flip.
		It's hard to search for.
		Skateboard technology is crazy.
		I mean skateboard terminology is crazy.
unidentified		The technology is not that crazy.
		Impossible without wrapping the back foot.
		Is this Reddit?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		Good luck.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Anyway, I found a clip and that's a really old one.
		So, but there are way better ones on Instagram.
		I watch skateboarding on Instagram all the time.
		There are people who they call zero flip and it flips completely end over end.
unidentified		Cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they land.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So.
unidentified		Not to take away from Rodney Mullen though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, of course.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, inventing all of these things is crazy, but yeah, just, just, you know.
unidentified		I've got some Rodney stories if anybody's interested.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just real quick, one final thought before we get into it.
		The reason I take issue is because I learned how to do the nollie endo flip because I was trying to do a nollie zero flip.
		We called it impossible flip.
		Impossible is the name of a trick where your foot wraps around the back of the board and it goes end over end.
		An impossible flip would be just flipping end over end.
		And so I was at the Wilson Skate Park in Chicago and I said, I bet... Oh, that's a fun skate park.
		Yeah.
		I said, I bet I can nollie, that means nose ollie, off the nose and make it flip end over end and land it if I go as fast as possible.
		So I went as fast as I could, went up the bank and slammed it!
		And it went straight up, and just didn't go all the way around, and so then, eventually, I just kicked it to make it go the other half, so it's a half-end-over-half-flip, and that's how I invented it.
unidentified		You get naming rights when you invent it.
		Actually, fun fact, Wilson Skate Park is where I got second place to a man for the first time.
		Oh, really?
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But so anyway, having personally been like, I will get the end over end flip and could not get it.
		To have people be like, Rodney did it.
		I'm like, well, he wrapped his foot.
		I want the, and then some kid did it.
		Zero flip.
		It's been done.
unidentified		True.
		All right.
		I got a wild one.
		I was in Culver City at a random dive bar and I see a very strange looking man standing out the front.
		I walked past and he says in a very, what I would call an English accent, he goes, excuse me, are you Richie Jackson?
		I'm like, I don't know if I've told you this one, Tim.
		I'm like, yeah, yeah, I am.
		He said, I would love to buy you a beer.
		I'm a big fan.
		I'm like, okay, yeah, sure.
		I would never say no to a beer.
		So we go inside, we sit down at the bar, and I start thinking, this guy's definitely crazy.
		He's saying crazy stuff.
		Like, as he's ordering the beer, he goes, did you know that Tony Hawk and the Bones Brigade came to my house in 1985?
		Yeah, they were all there.
		It was amazing.
		I'm like, all right, you nut job.
		Like, I'm kind of backing off a little.
		And then we get the drink, and then he's just saying all this crazy stuff.
		And then he eventually says, oh, excuse me, barkeep, could you change the channel to Jay Leno?
		I'm about to be on.
		I go, oh, he's definitely nuts.
		I changed the channel.
		There he is on Leno.
		It's Danny Harrison.
		It's George Harrison's son.
		And he was not lying at any point.
		And then he goes, yeah, I know all of them.
		Would you like to meet Rodney?
		So I met Rodney through Danny Harrison.
		He, uh, called me one day.
		He said, Rodney's at the office.
		Should I send a car?
		And like a SUV secret service style thing pulls up, whisks me off to his office.
		And there's Rodney Mullen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this guy calls it a monster flip.
unidentified		Oh, there you go.
		Yeah, there it is.
		Yep, that's pretty dope.
		So, the moral of the story is never turn down a beer.
		Never.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To be fair, the people who posted also put zero flip in it.
		So, I don't think, I've never heard it called a monster flip.
		Boom.
		The board flips.
unidentified		Yeah, okay, there it is.
unidentified		Pretty sick.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no rep.
		He just stabilizes it with the proper technique.
		Yeah, that is legit.
unidentified		Okay, what's this guy's name?
unidentified		We gotta shout him out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I, uh, I don't know if it says.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh, Jerulian?
unidentified		Ja-rulian.
unidentified		Great name.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jerulian?
		Ja-rulian.
		Yeah, man.
		Well, I think- That is sick!
		It's amazing.
		I think we do need to go skate ourselves right now.
		So, uh, this has been a pretty fun conversation.
unidentified		Well, hold on before we go.
unidentified		We gotta make sure we drive traffic to the boonies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You gotta do it.
unidentified		Okay, guys.
		I want you to click the link below and check out our new YouTube channel where we have a lot more of me talking absolute trash.
		And a lot of skateboarding featuring Taylor and Tim and Richie and our guests.
		Exactly.
		These are the days of skateboarding.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's the Instagram?
unidentified		It's been in the works for a while.
		The Instagram is boonieshq.
		Boonieshq.
		B-O-O-N-I-E-S-H-Q.
		My man.
		Right on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What else?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		YouTube?
unidentified		I don't have the URL on deck, but... Well, we'll go film some stuff today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we'll put some stuff up, talk to locals, and maybe I'll throw money at kids to do tricks and stuff and be like... There's a thing we call Tips for Tricks, where you go to a skate park and you say, like, who's got the hard flip?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And if someone does it, you give them five bucks, you know?
unidentified		That does always work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's fun.
		It's fun.
		It's like little mini contests.
unidentified		Precisely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		Okay, everybody.
		Well, look, this is a special episode of The Culture War.
unidentified		Why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because it's currently Black Friday, which means we recorded this in advance, and we are going to spend time with our families.
		But I thought it would be prudent to have something up, and I've wanted to hang out with Richie, Taylor, and Dennis on the show and talk about skateboarding, because it is near and dear to my heart.
		Wokeness has tried to plague it, but we are going to make it free, fun, and we are going to make it inclusive in the real way.
unidentified		And we're gonna hang out with our families, huh?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're gonna hang out with our families.
unidentified		What if we ain't got no family?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You gotta make one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I fully expect a bunch of volleyballs with painted faces on them when we return.
unidentified		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, we're gonna wrap it up there.
		It's been a blast.
		Taylor, Richie, Dennis, thanks for hanging out.
		We're gonna go skate.
		We're gonna make some skate content.
		We're gonna win the culture war.
unidentified		Worst episode ever!
unidentified		Hope everybody had a good Thanksgiving.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Probably not the worst, but definitely in the bottom.
		No, I'm just kidding.
		Thanks for hanging out.

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