C-SPAN’s Washington Journal Open Phones explores President Trump’s ICE withdrawal from Minnesota after two fatal shootings, amid protests and Democratic threats to block $60B Homeland Security funding unless reforms—like independent investigations—are included. Callers clash: Laura (AZ) accuses ICE of targeting non-criminals, while Peter (FL) claims protests are funded by illegal voters, citing Somali daycare operations. A Minnesota judge, Kate Menendez, questions the legality of Operation Metro Surge’s 3,000-agent deployment, and the White House defends DHS Secretary Christy Noam despite Trump’s shifting tone. The debate reveals deepening polarization over enforcement tactics, with shutdown risks looming by midnight Saturday, exposing immigration policy as a battleground for political power and public trust. [Automatically generated summary]
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After two fatal shootings and days of protests in Minnesota, President Trump has signaled ICE agents will begin leaving the state today.
According to the Washington Post, polls and sinking support has changed the White House's tone.
This morning, we want to know from you, has the Trump administration's immigration crackdown gone too far?
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The Minneapolis Star Tribune with the headline about what will happen in Minnesota today.
According to the Mayor, Jacob Fry, after a phone call with President Trump, federal agents will start leaving today.
The president spoke to the Minneapolis mayor as well as the Governor Tim Walz yesterday, and both sides said it was a productive phone call.
Also from the newspapers this morning, The Hill, with the headline that Caroline Levitt at her briefing yesterday distancing President Trump from rhetoric by the Homeland Security Secretary Christy Noam and the president's top aide, Stephen Miller, on the killing of Alex Predty.
The New York Times is reporting this morning that President Trump met in the Oval yesterday with the Homeland Security Secretary along with her top aide, Corey Lewandowski, for two hours after Ms. Noam requested the meeting with the president.
From the briefing yesterday, Caroline Levitt, when she's asked about the rhetoric from Christy Noam on Alex Predty, calling him a domestic terrorist.
Take a listen.
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To follow on Gabe's question, Secretary Noam said Alex Predty committed an act of domestic terrorism.
Caroline Lovett at the White House yesterday when asked about the rhetoric on the killing of Alex Predi this morning.
Has the Trump administration's immigration crackdown gone too far?
Take a look at a YouGov poll that was done on January 25th based on what you know.
Was the shooting of the man in Minneapolis justified or not justified?
The 20% of people polled said it was justified.
48% said it was not justified.
While 32% said they were not sure.
That is a YouGov poll conducted after the shooting.
We're asking about the immigration crackdown.
Has it gone too far?
Your thoughts on that.
Also happening in Minnesota today, the president has sent Tom Homan, the border czar, to Minnesota to be the lead there.
From Punch Bowl News, they report that the federal agents will begin to party Minnesota today after Trump's sudden dramatic gear shift on immigration.
And among them will be Border Patrol Chief Greg Bovino, whose days strutting blue city streets in his faux military coat seem to be over.
His boss, DH Secretary Christy Noam, has also been sidelined.
And a new sheriff, Border Czar Tom Homan, is headed to Minneapolis today for clear-the-air meetings with Democratic leaders.
For Noam, it's nothing short of a public humiliation pushed aside from her department's highest profile operation following the fatal shooting of Alex Predty and following her ill-judged response.
Laura in Tucson, Arizona, Democratic caller, we'll begin with you this morning.
When they're waiting in court to pick up people who have been following the law and who have been here for years and years and are productive citizens already, no, they're not following the law.
An independent in Florida says this is a mistake for President Trump to change his tone and his actions in Minnesota.
The national papers this morning using the word retreat on the president's decision to begin removing ICE from Minnesota today.
The Wall Street Journal Editorial Board on the Trump administration's deportation policy, they write this this morning, that it started out at the beginning of 2025.
87% of ICE arrests were immigrants with either a prior conviction or a criminal charge pending, according to ICE data obtained by the Department Data Project.
Only 13% of those arrested at the beginning of 2025 didn't have either a conviction or a pending charge.
But the criminal share of apprehensions has declined as the months have gone on.
By October of 2025, the percentage of arrested immigrants with a prior conviction or criminal charge had fallen to 55%.
Since October, 73% taken into ICE custody had no criminal conviction, and only 5% had a violent criminal conviction, according to a Cato Institute review of ICE data.
That's the Wall Street Journal's editorial this morning.
Mass deportation by the numbers.
ICE arrests aren't growing, but fewer are growing, but fewer have a criminal history.
I'd like to know when Trump abdicated the presidency to Stephen Miller.
And it is ridiculous.
It went way too far from the beginning with the ICE, with the masked ICE agents.
They look like ISIS or Hamas militants running around this country.
Of course, everybody is scared.
And when you get eight or ten of them around your vehicle, like Ms. Good did, and one says, get the F out of the car, heck yes, I'd be taken off too.
I'd be driving away.
Even in Colorado, we are told if you are stopped and you do not know who it is, you are allowed to go on because we have had police officers impersonated out here.
So yes, I think she was justified in what she did in trying to get away from it.
They are not properly trained and they lack restraint.
With that said, please don't show up at these protests with firearms.
Even if you have a license to carry, and it's your right, it's poor judgment to do so with these goons and how aggressive they've been with the protesters.
I believe Mr. Predty would still be alive today had he not carried a weapon into those protests.
Will Washington Post headline as polls show sinking support.
White House changes tone on ICE tactics.
Trump initially responded combatively to Predty's death by calling him a gunman and posting a phone photo of the licensed pistol.
But he did not go as far as Noam or Miller, and he sounded more equivocal Sunday when he told the Wall Street Journal, I don't like any shooting.
I don't like it.
Senator Ted Cruz and Governor Greg Abbott of Texas urged the White House to change its tone on immigration enforcement, while other Senate Republicans, including Jerry Moran of Kansas and John Curtis of Utah, called for independent investigations.
Senate Homeland Security Committee Chair Rand Paul said Monday that the heads of immigration and customs enforcement, customs and border protection, and U.S. citizenship and immigration services should testify before the panel.
That's the Wall Street Journal this morning.
Listen to California Democratic Senator Alex Padilla, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, and Border Safety, speaking out against further funding for Homeland Security and ICE.
They talk so much about the dangerous violent criminals they claim to be going after.
There's actually agreements with state and local law enforcement in Minnesota for those that are in detention, but that's not where they're going.
They're going into communities.
They're rounding up people who may be undocumented, but don't have a criminal history.
Clearly, they're rounding people up who are lawfully present.
They're not just shooting, they're killing United States citizens.
And what's the administration's response?
Oh, you have complete immunity.
No, that is not how we do things here in the United States.
We have laws.
We have a constitution.
We need to have justice.
We need to have accountability.
And that's what this budget fight is.
It's not just a matter of money.
How can in good conscience continue funding a department without the guardrails and protections?
We need independent investigations.
Anybody who's been in government for more than a year knows this.
It happens at the local level, happens at the state level.
If there's an officer involved shooting, you need an independent review of what happened for purposes of accountability.
Short of an independent administrative review, you bring in the Department of Justice, but we don't have that under Trump.
We have, you know, from Secretary Noam on down, people just saying yes, sir, whatever he wants.
A formally independent Department of Justice has been weaponized, and so people need other resources, and this is one of ours, to leverage their funding for some of these reforms.
California Democratic Senator Alex Padilla yesterday saying Democrats in the Senate are going to refuse to support a measure that would fund the Homeland Security Department.
Now, the Immigration, Customs, and Enforcement ICE is under the Homeland Security Department.
Washington Times with the headline this morning, ICE fight starts another shutdown showdown with Democrats demanding reworking of the Homeland Security funding bill.
You'll recall it was approved by the House last week.
It now is before the Senate.
And today, the Senate returns to Washington to begin debating what to do next on funding this Homeland Security measure.
Democratic senators appear united that they will not support the legislation to fund the Homeland Security Department unless it is reworked.
Now, the Wall Street Journal this morning says that this threat would be a partial government shutdown.
It's now more likely.
And they write, Congress is running out of time to pass a sprawling appropriations package before funding for much of the federal government expires at 1201 Eastern on Saturday.
Senate Democrats say they won't support the bill without changes to the provisions regarding homeland, raising the risk of a partial shutdown this weekend.
And you also have this headline from the New York Times: Democrats embrace a shutdown fight they had hoped to avoid.
Has the Trump administration's immigration crackdown gone too far?
Now, in each city, each state, they have warrants.
Says like to me that I should be able to get warrants for certain people that they're going in certain states to look for.
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First, start off with the criminals, start off with the criminals, and then work your way down to the people that overstayed the visas that I hear, and then work your way up to people that are following the law.
Get rid of the criminals first and then go for the other ones that's been lacking, not reporting in, overstayed their visas illegally here or whatever.
Well, Melvin, let me jump in because Tim Walz, who's the governor of Minnesota, Democrat, writes today in the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journals: federal officials are lying.
My state's corrections department honors all immigration detainees.
And this is what he writes: There is not a single documented case of the departments releasing someone from state prison without offering to ensure a smooth transfer of custody.
Some of the administration's claims are ridiculous on their face, he writes.
For example, it claims that 1,360 non-U.S. citizens are in Minnesota prisons.
The truth, our total state prison population is roughly 8,000, and only 207 of them are non-citizens.
You can read more in the Wall Street Journal this morning from the Minnesota governor.
Yeah, I think what we've forgotten is that the Democrats were the ones that created this whole situation by allowing millions of people illegally to cross into our country, which makes them lawbreakers.
And Chuck in Pittsburgh, a Republican with his thoughts this morning.
CBS News with the headline, Republican Chris Medell exits Minnesota governor's race, calls federal retribution on the state unconstitutional.
Republican Chris Medell is ending his campaign for governor of Minnesota, saying that he cannot support the national members of his party and their retribution on the citizens of our state.
Number one, I cannot support the National Republican stated retribution on the citizens of our state, nor can I count myself a member of a party that would do so.
I support the originally stated goals of immigration's and customs enforcement's Operation MetroSurge in locating and deporting the worst of the worst from our state.
And I've seen many examples of ICE arresting non-U.S. citizens in Minnesota convicted of serious crimes, including murder, rape, and child sexual assault.
No reasonable person should want these people here, and I am glad that they are gone.
But Operation MetroSurge has expanded far beyond its stated focus on true public safety threats.
United States citizens, particularly those of color, live in fear.
United States citizens are carrying papers to prove their citizenship.
That's wrong.
ICE has authorized its agents to raid homes using a civil warrant that need only be signed by a border patrol agent.
That's unconstitutional, and it's wrong.
Weaponizing criminal investigations against political opponents is unconstitutional, regardless of who is in power.
Republicans and Democrats alike have engaged in this misconduct, and both must be held to the same standard.
The Republican nominee candidate for governor in Minnesota dropping out of the race over what is happening in his state.
John in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, an independent.
What do you say?
Has the Trump administration's immigration crackdown gone too far?
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First off, I take offense with C-SPAN and your verbiage, how you call it a crackdown.
It is the federal government following legally passed and constitutionally passed laws of the United States of America, of which I've been a citizen for 62 years.
It is an governmental enforcement of the laws that are written and currently on the books, and there's nothing illegal about it, in my mind.
Now, if I was to protest and go out and stand on a street corner with a sign and with a bullhorn and a whistle and whatever else, that's perfectly acceptable under the First Amendment and the rights to free speech.
Okay, the minute I step off the curb or take my vehicle or in any other way, fashion, or form, try to impede a law enforcement agent, whether it's a federal agent or a state or local agent, I am now a criminal, just like the people they are trying to apprehend and deport from the country.
I grew up in a family who has many law enforcement people that were employed in my small city and even other parts of the state of Wisconsin.
And when you interfere, you know, it's the law.
You're no longer a peaceful protester when you're, you know, and the mask, the mask thing, Greta.
Two American citizens have been killed in Minneapolis.
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You know, where have the Democrats been for the last five years when there's hundreds of people every single year, thousands of people, Americans, getting shot by other Americans in the streets of these Democratic-run cities, sanctuary cities, and they don't enforce the laws that they have there.
I mean, the whole thing is just, it's absurd to me, Greta.
He said he would go after the worst of the worst, and he ended up sending his agents, his rogue agents, to snatch people off the streets, stuff them into unmarked vehicles with no due process, no warrants, nothing.
And here we are, and I'm standing on the stage with my opponent, Congressman Krishnamurthy, who, as they started to attack the city of Chicago last summer, went onto the House floor in Washington, D.C. and voted to thank ICE.
And unlike many of you, I've actually done the hard work of trying to hold ICE accountable.
I'm the only candidate on this stage that's been evicted by the CPD when we performed inspections of ICE facilities.
I'm the only candidate on the stage that actually inspected an ICE facility itself.
And what I learned there was shocking: that they not only target people with convictions, they go after people who are merely charged and who are collaterally present.
That means innocent civilians.
Look, I believe we have to abolish Trump's ICE.
In light of what happened with Alex Pretty and with Renee Good, what we're seeing now cannot continue.
So, this is what these are the legislative reforms that have to happen.
One, not a single dollar more for ICE or DHS.
That's the way I voted last week, and that's the way the Senate should vote.
Secondly, impeach Noam.
And I join Robin Kelly in that motion.
Third, we have to make sure they unmask ICE, wear identification, and finally have an inspector general within ICE to make sure they abide by the rules and regulations of the land.
We need to impeach Christy Noam, and we need to build an agency that people can trust.
The Department of Homeland Security is too big, too unwieldy, and not accountable.
And we need to do all this in the guise of immigration reform.
It can't be one thing or another.
We have to look at Border Patrol.
We have to look at USCIS that oversees asylums.
We have to land the plane on the DREAMers and make them American citizens.
We have to find a pathway for the over 11 million undocumented that are contributing to this city of Chicago, this state of Illinois, and to the United States.
That's all a part of dismantling, building back, impeaching Christy Noam, which we're on our way to doing, and making an agency that everyone can trust again.
That is from the Illinois Democratic primary last night.
Two members of Congress and Lieutenant Governor running for Senator Dick Durbin's seat.
Mr. Durbin is retiring after decades in the Senate.
You can watch it in its entirety if you go to c-span.org.
You heard Congresswoman Robin Kelly talking about impeaching Christy Noam.
She has brought forward articles of impeachment on the Homeland Security Secretary.
NBC News with the headline: Democrats' calls for Christy Noam to resign or face impeachment grow louder.
Eight more Democrats have joined a resolution to impeach the Homeland Security Secretary after the latest fatal shooting by a federal agent.
The articles of impeachment against Secretary Noam say obstruction of Congress for instances in which members of Congress were denied entry into DHS facilities and for withholding congressionally appropriated disaster relief funds.
They also claim a violation of public trust for allegedly denying ICE detainees due process and violating First and Fourth Amendments and self-dealing over reports that Noam awarded $220 million in contracts to a firm run by her top spokesperson's husband.
Those are the articles of impeachment against the Homeland Security Secretary.
Jim in Wisconsin, Democratic caller, thanks for joining us this morning.
Jim in Wisconsin, Democratic caller, on the demand for voter rolls.
New York Times reports: What is behind the Trump administration's call for Minnesota voter rolls?
Nearly every state has a public version of its voter roll that includes basic information like first and last names.
Some of these roles include addresses.
But the complete unredacted voter file includes personal identifying information like driver's license numbers and social security numbers.
This list is kept private and is maintained by top election officials in each state.
Traditionally, no one can obtain it through public records requests, not even the Justice Department.
So why does the Justice Department want these files?
New York Times says Ms. Bondi has said that the Trump administration is trying to keep elections secure.
But President Trump and his allies, who tried to overturn the 2020 election and continue to deny its legitimacy, have long pushed unsubstantiated claims about undocumented immigrants voting illegally.
And last year, the Justice Department began to try to build the largest set of national voter roll data it has ever collected, raising concerns that the data could be used to cast doubt on future election results.
From the New York Times reporting, why is the Trump administration demanding Minnesota voter rolls?
James in Waterport, New York, Republican.
Good morning to you, James.
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Good morning.
Two books: The Invisible Coup by Peter Schweitzer, number one, New York Times bestseller: How America elites and foreign powers use immigration as a weapon, just released.
I don't understand a lot of what's going on because when I researched myself, I found out that Minnesota law states that you cannot protest in the street.
But once you impede traffic and get in the street, then you've broken the law.
So Minneapolis police should have gone down and started either arresting people and removing them from the street because the public safety man came out the very first day with Governor Walsh and said, Minnesota law says you cannot protest in the street.
So I wonder why all these people got to protest in the street when other citizens couldn't do it.
I'm not a fan of ICE, but the problem is we have too many people that think they can take over the city and tell the police and the government what to do.
Doug, a Republican in Virginia, with his thoughts.
The Democrats in the Senate now this week turned their attention to the funding measure for the Homeland Security Department after it was approved by the House.
However, following the fatal shooting of Alex Predi, Senate Democrats are now united in opposing the Homeland Security funding bill.
Listen to Appropriations Committee Chair, Republican Susan Collins, on the Senate floor yesterday, acknowledging the fatal shooting, but asking her Democratic colleagues to support the full funding package, including the Homeland Security funding.
Let me say, Madam President, that the tragic death of Alex Petri has refocused attention on the Homeland Security Bill, and I recognize that and share the concerns.
I do want to point out to my colleagues that there are many safeguards that have been put in this bill that I would encourage them to review, and that the vast majority of the funding in this bill, more than 80%, is for non-immigration and non-border security functions.
It includes, for example, funding for FEMA.
We've just gone through a horrific storm that has caused a lot of damage.
And FEMA is very important.
It includes funding for TSA.
Those of us who travel back and forth through our home states every weekend are well aware of the work of TSA in keeping us safe.
It includes funding for cybersecurity and physical infrastructure protection.
And important to the states of the presiding officer in the state of Maine, it includes funding for the U.S. Coast Guard.
So, Madam President, I know that there will be many more speeches and discussions of all of the bills that are included in this package.
But let me just say that I hope we can come together in a constructive way to get this done and to ensure that we do not lurch into a dangerous and detrimental government shutdown.
The Appropriations Committee Chair Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, on the floor of the Senate yesterday, encouraging, urging her fellow senators to vote for a spending package and avoid a government shutdown this Saturday at 1201 a.m.
Democrats in the Senate appear united after that fatal shooting of Alex Predi in Minnesota in opposition to the Homeland Security bill.
This morning, we're asking all of you, has the Trump administration's immigration crackdown gone too far?
John in Ava Maria, Florida, an Independent, we'll hear from you, John.
It's a money grab because this money's getting filtered back.
I mean, this is common sense.
And once the rest of America wakes up to this, and they will, they will, everyone's going to get behind Trump on what he's doing because what he's doing is correct.
We know that red states have the most and that the Trump administration isn't going after them there because they're all in each other's pockets.
Regardless of the Democratic issue, a Republican issue, I consider myself an independent, but yes, I will sound more like a liberal at this point in time because the overreach is astronomical.
So a judge in Minnesota yesterday asked similar questioning.
Take a look at the New York Times.
Judge Way's arguments on legality of ICE surge.
Minnesota, along with the cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul, filed a lawsuit two weeks ago claiming that the Trump administration's campaign called Operation Metro Surge violates state sovereignty under the 10th Amendment and should be blocked.
The surge has brought some 3,000 federal agents to Minnesota, resulting in thousands of arrests, three shootings, and tense protests.
Judge Menendez, who was nominated to the bench by former President Joseph Biden, did not rule from the bench on Monday and did not provide a timeline for issuing a written decision.
She indicated that she would move quickly.
She did, though, push back on Minnesota officials' need for immediate action.
She had pointed questions about the state government's request that she issue a sweeping order to block the surge.
And she also asked where the line should be and wondered whether or not there were possible ulterior motives.
So this from a hearing in Minnesota yesterday with Judge Kate Menendez, who will rule on whether or not to block this ICE surge.
Has the Trump administration's immigration crackdown gone too far?
That is our question this morning.
Those are the lines for dialing in.
Take a look at the national papers this morning in the headlines.
President Trump signals ICE pullout from Minnesota chaos.
That's the Washington Times this morning.
USA Today, police improved community relations after George Floyd.
Is ICE a setback?
You also have from the Wall Street Journal, the 48 hours that convinced President Trump to change course in Minnesota.
And then you have the Washington Post.
Trump softens tone on Minneapolis violence amid calls for accountability.
And finally, the New York Times.
Trump under pressure retreats from smears in Minneapolis killing.
The change in rhetoric and actions coming from the White House and yesterday at the White House briefing, Caroline Levitt was asked if the president agrees with the rhetoric from the Homeland Security Secretary and others in the administration and how they framed the shooting of Alex Predi.
The White House Press Secretary yesterday was also asked about rhetoric coming out of the White House in the immediate aftermath of the fatal shooting.
Regarding Minnesota, on Saturday, the Department of Homeland Security posted that Predty looks like he wanted to do maximum damage to massacre law enforcement.
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Stephen Miller on Saturday posted that, or called Predi a would-be assassin.
With regards to the deployment of Tom Holman to Minneapolis, should the deployment of Mr. Homan to Minneapolis be seen as a sign that the president is dissatisfied with how the officials on the ground had handled the incident?
No, Mr. Holman is doing an exceptional job, and he has been working with Secretary Noam and President Trump over the course of the last year.
Secretary Noam still has the utmost confidence and trust of the President of the United States, and she's continuing to oversee the entire Department of Homeland Security and all of the immigration enforcement that's taking place across the whole entire country.
Of course, Secretary Noam is also in charge of FEMA, and we are in the wake of a brutal winter storm where hundreds of thousands of Americans have been impacted by that.
So Borders Art Holman is in a unique position to drop everything and go to Minnesota to continue having these productive conversations with state and local officials.
And I know that he's catching a plane in just a few hours to do just that at the request of the president.
The White House Press Secretary at yesterday's briefing, the Washington Post editorial board has a to-do list for Tom Holman when he arrives in Minneapolis.
And they say that it starts with refocusing deportation operations on criminal targets instead of five-year-olds with pending cases in immigration court.
Sanctuary jurisdictions like Minneapolis' Hennepin County could help keep ICE out of their communities by directly handing over criminals in their custody to immigration enforcement officers.
The next step is to rebuild trust with the public.
And you do that with transparency.
DHS is reviewing body camera footage from agents who were on the scene when Predi was fatally shot.
To help restore credibility, authorities would be wise to release a complete version of the video.
Congressional Republicans are signaling that they plan to conduct more rigorous oversight.
Senate Judiciary Committee Chair Chuck Gressley of Iowa announced Monday that Noam has agreed to testify on March 3rd.
Other GOP chairmen are demanding various DHS leaders appear before their own committees before that.
The Washington Post this morning with Tom Homan's to-do list.
Punch Bowl News reporting about Tom Homan being sent to Minnesota.
And Punch Bowl News says that federal agents will begin departing Minnesota today after Trump's sudden dramatic gear shift on immigration.
And among them will be the Border Patrol Chief Greg Bovino, whose days strutting Blue City streets in his faux military coat seem to be over.
His boss, DHS Secretary Christy Noam, has also been sidelined.
And a new sheriff, Border Star Tom Homan, is headed to Minneapolis for clear-the-air meetings with local Democratic leaders.
That's happening today.
Yesterday at the White House, according to the New York Times, Christine Noam called for a meeting with President Trump, and she got one along with her top aide, Corey Lewandowski.
I work in law enforcement, and this process that we're talking about is happening right now as we speak all over the country.
And it's done in an organized fashion.
Every week where I work, ICE picks up orderly about three times a week.
During the Biden administration, maybe once every four months did they pick up illegal immigrants that we stop, whether they didn't have a driver's license, whether they were speeding, whether they were drunk driving.
And it works systematically and methodically like it should.
During the Biden administration, I never saw a Chiron across your screen that said, did the Biden administration go too far in their border invasion, which is what it was.
The guy that got shot the other day did not have ID, did not have his permit with him, and had 30 extra rounds on him.
I mean, this whole thing is being set up to turn your eyes away from the fraud and the corruption and all the money that's being led out of Minneapolis.
And, Greg, on that point, I'll just say to you and others that there have been a few hearings on Capitol Hill about the fraud, the alleged fraud in Minnesota, and you can find those hearings if you go to our website, c-span.org.
Felix, in Fayetteville, North Carolina, Democratic caller, let's hear from you.
This could be a rooted problem of how they're acting.
You have a gentleman, the president of the Heritage Foundation named Eric Roberts, I believe this name, somewhere circa July 2024, he was on the Steve Bannon show, indicated that there's a second revolution coming and it will be bloodless as long as the Democrat, or excuse me, as long as the left will allow it.
I want to know if that's part of the problem there.
Second of all, the President Trump, to me, he's just like what Bill Clinton was whenever the Ken Starr said he was just a president is just an ordinary person temporarily occupying a seat of power at the pleasure of we the people.
We are going to take a break later on on the Washington Journal.
Bradford Fitch, former CEO of the Congressional Management Foundation and author of the quote, Citizens Handbook for Influencing Elected Officials, joins us and we'll talk about practical and effective strategies to get through to your elected officials.
But first, after the break, affordability is one of the main themes for this year's midterm elections.
We'll take a closer look at the Trump administration's records so far on that front with Natalie Baker of the Center for American Progress and Brittany Madney from the Economic Policy Innovation Center.
conversation coming up on The Washington Journal.
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