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mimi geerges
Welcome to today's Washington Journal.
Let's take a look at what President Trump said yesterday in the Oval Office regarding providing that military equipment to Ukraine.
donald j trump
And we make the best equipment, the best missiles, the best of everything.
donald j trump [ai]
The European nations know that.
donald j trump
And we made a deal today, and I'm going to have Mark speak about it, but we've made a deal today where we are going to be sending them weapons and they're going to be paying for them.
The United States will not be having any payment made.
We're not buying it, but we will manufacture it and they're going to be paying for it.
Our last meeting of a month ago was very successful in that they agreed to 5%, which is more than a trillion dollars a year, so they have a lot of money.
And these are wealthy nations.
They have a lot of money and they want to do it.
They feel very strongly about it.
And we feel strongly about it too.
But we're in for a lot of money and we just don't want to do it anymore.
And we can.
But we make the best and we're going to be sending the best to NATO and in some cases to maybe at Mark's suggestion if we go to Germany where they're going to send early on missiles and they'll be replaced and NATO is going to take care of it.
It's going to be coordinated by NATO and they're going to work very much with Matt Whitaker who's right here as a great ambassador and Matt's going to be coordinating.
You better do a good job, Matt.
unidentified
I will.
donald j trump
But Matt's going to coordinate.
He's a very talented guy.
He's going to coordinate everything.
So in a nutshell, we're going to make top-of-the-line weapons and they'll be sent to NATO.
NATO may choose to have certain of them sent to other countries where we can get a little additional speed, where the country will release something and it'll be mostly in the form of a replacement.
mimi geerges
And here is the headline in CNBC.
Trump threatens 100% tariffs on Russian export buyers unless Ukraine peace deal is reached by September.
We're getting your thoughts on that and the announcement yesterday by President Trump in the Oval Office.
Here is Tom, a Democrat in Maryland.
Good morning, Tom.
unidentified
Good morning.
I'm kind of a 78-year-old news nerd.
And if I remember correctly, a couple months ago, there was a deal between Ukraine and the United States to turn over half of their rare earth minerals to the United States.
And in return, they'd get aid from the United States military aid.
Now, that seems to have all disappeared because the deal yesterday has nothing to do with rare earth or the Ukraine who's already going to be paying for everything.
It seems that NATO is now going to get the weapons and they're going to give them to Ukraine and then they're going to pay the United States back.
What happened to the deal before where they were going to get Ukraine's rare earth minerals?
Thank you.
mimi geerges
It's a good question, Tom, and I don't see anything reported about that.
But if I do see something or if we're able to find something, we'll definitely share that with you.
This is Politico announcing that Congress is ready to move on Russia sanctions.
According to Johnson and Thun, it says backing from both top GOP leaders come after President Donald Trump expressed frustration with the ongoing war in Ukraine.
Here's how the article starts.
Both top Republican congressional leaders said Wednesday they are prepared to move forward with new sanctions targeting Russia this month after President Donald Trump signaled he is willing to pressure Moscow to end the war in Ukraine.
That's in Politico.
And this is CNN talking about the Patriot missiles.
These are the defensive missile defense from CNN.
It says, what are Patriot missiles and why does Ukraine need them so badly?
So here's some information about that.
It says that the Patriots are the U.S. Army's key missile defense system.
They most recently proved their last worth when they helped shoot down 13 out of 14 incoming Iranian missiles that were launched at the U.S. Air Force's El Udaid Air Force Base, Air Base in Qatar.
The latest versions of Patriot interceptors are capable of engaging incoming short-range ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and drones at altitudes up to 15 kilometers and distances up to 35 kilometers.
So that analysts say that that gives one single Patriot battery the ability to cover 100 to 200 square kilometers of area, depending on how many launchers are in the battery.
So that's some information about the Patriots from CNN.
And Horace, Philadelphia, Line for Democrats.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning, my dear.
I don't believe that Donald Trump is doing this thing from his heart.
Everything has a dollar value to this man because at one time he couldn't stand Ukraine's President Lezhensky.
Now all of a sudden he wants to send weapons over to him and about these turtles.
It's insane.
He has no idea of what he's doing.
mimi geerges
So Horace, he says the reason is because he's become frustrated with Putin.
What do you think of that?
Horace, maybe he's gone.
Well, here is more from President Trump in the Oval Office yesterday talking about the deadline that he set for Russia.
donald j trump
And one of the reasons that you're here today is to hear that we are very unhappy, I am, with Russia, but we'll discuss that maybe a different day.
But we're very, very unhappy with them, and we're going to be doing very severe tariffs if we don't have a deal in 50 days.
Tariffs at about 100%.
You'd call them secondary tariffs.
You know what that means.
But today we're going to talk about something else.
And as you know, we've spent $350 billion approximately on this war with Russia and Ukraine and would like to see it end.
It wasn't my war.
It was Biden's war.
It's not my war.
I'm trying to get you out of it.
And we want to see it end.
And I'm disappointed in President Putin because I thought we would have had a deal two months ago, but it doesn't seem to get there.
So, based on that, we're going to be doing secondary tariffs.
If we don't have a deal in 50 days, it's very simple.
And they'll be at 100%.
And that's the way it is.
That couldn't be more simple.
It's just the way it is.
unidentified
I hope we don't have to do it.
mimi geerges
And here is a text from Don in Floyd, Virginia, an independent who says, seems like he's doing everything possible to not do anything to Russia.
I believe they control him by blackmail.
And this is Dan on Facebook.
I think it's a roost to buy time for Russia and preempt Congress from passing S-1241, a bipartisan sanctions bill, with enough support to beat his veto pen.
And Anthony on X says this asinine and disastrous war was provoked by American officials like Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Chris Murphy, and Victoria Newland.
The right thing to do would be to disarm Ukraine and to defund and exit NATO altogether.
Wonder what you think.
Let's talk to Iris, who's in South Lyon, Michigan, Independent Line.
unidentified
Well, hi there.
How are you doing today?
mimi geerges
Good.
unidentified
I just have something good.
I just have something to say about weapons.
They destroy the earth.
It kills more of the earth than it does of people, and we can't replace the earth.
So I don't know what this whole deal is about.
What are we at war with?
It seems like we're all going nuts.
So, no.
Mind your own business and take care of our country.
mimi geerges
So, Iris, what do you want to be going to?
What do you think of defensive weapons for Ukraine so that they can defend themselves against Russia?
What are your thoughts on that?
unidentified
I say we got plenty of problems here.
Take care of America.
That's what they're hired for.
We can't oversee the entire planet.
They're not our problems.
I think they're doing this to bring us into things to destroy America.
You need land to live on.
We destroy land.
Don't you get it, folks?
Land.
We need land.
We can't live on the air.
We don't float.
mimi geerges
All right, get that, Iris.
John in Maryland, line for Democrats.
Good morning.
John, are you there in Maryland?
unidentified
Oh, yes.
How are you this morning?
mimi geerges
Good.
Go right ahead.
unidentified
I just have one statement.
Donald Trump doesn't know what he's doing.
He's an idiot.
And that's all I've got to say about this.
His policies are totally antithetical to anything that is worthwhile.
That's it.
Thank you very much.
mimi geerges
And Josephine in Livingston, New Jersey, Independent Line.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
Sadly, we're going to wait another 50 days before you're going to put a tariff.
Yet our closest ally, Canada, you slap the tariff on in two seconds.
Another tariff on Mexico, two seconds.
Really?
To me, he looks like he's an ally of Putin.
I'll give you 50 more days.
Do what you can up to the Ukraine.
He's a disgrace.
He's a disgrace to this country.
He's screwing NATO.
He's screwing everybody.
And all for the mighty dollar.
Thank you.
mimi geerges
And we are taking your calls for the next 20 minutes on this topic.
We'll go to open forum afterwards.
And these are the numbers.
Democrats are on 202-748-8000.
Republicans 202-748-8001.
And Independents 202-748-8002.
And here is Mark Ruta.
He's the NATO Secretary General.
And he was in the Oval Office yesterday.
And this is him reacting to the President's announcement.
unidentified
And this is building on the tremendous success of the NATO summit.
mark rutte
The 5%, but also the decision to keep Ukraine strong and the decision to increase our defense industrial production.
unidentified
So, based on that, this is that was Europe stepping up.
mark rutte
This is again Europeans stepping up.
unidentified
So, I've been in contact with many countries.
I can tell you that at this moment, Germany, massively, but also Finland and Denmark and Sweden and Norway, the African Kingdom, the Netherlands, Canada, they all want to be part of this.
And this is only the first wave.
There will be more.
So, what we will do is work through the NATO systems to make sure that we know what Ukrainians need so that we can make packages.
mark rutte
Of course, in a way, we discussed it this morning, as Pete Hack said, at the Pentagon, in a way that, of course, the U.S. will own its stockpiles necessary to defend this country.
unidentified
That's absolutely clear.
But it will mean that Ukraine can get its hands on really massive numbers of military equipment, both for air defense but also missiles, ammunition, etc., etc.
mark rutte
So, if I was Vladimir Putin today and hear you speaking about what you were planning to do in 50 days and this announcement, I would reconsider whether I should not take negotiations about Ukraine more seriously than I was doing at the moment, if I was Vladimir Putin.
unidentified
But when I'm Ukraine, I think this is really great news for them.
That's right.
mimi geerges
And we have that full White House Oval Office meeting on our website at c-span.org.
If you'd like to see the full meeting there between those two leaders, this is on X from the House Armed Services Committee, the GOP House Armed Services Committee, and they said this on X: Today's decision to send additional weapons to Ukraine, financed by our NATO allies, is a major turning point.
It puts real pressure on Putin to come to the table and demonstrates the strength of the NATO alliance.
It's also a direct result of President Trump's leadership.
He has made NATO stronger by demanding that all our allies step up, and now they are.
President Trump has made clear he is determined to end the bloodshed in Ukraine and secure a strong and lasting peace.
But Putin has lied, delayed, and negotiated in bad faith at every turn.
Putin has been given every opportunity to choose peace, but instead, the Russian dictator continues bombing innocent civilians.
Thanks to the stronger NATO that President Trump has helped build and today's decision, we're in a better position to bring this war to an end and deter future Russian aggression.
That's from the House Armed Services Committee Chairman.
And here is Kay, East Lansing, Michigan, Democrat.
Good morning, Kay.
unidentified
Good morning.
I'm calling because I believe this is just another attempt by Trump to avoid any confrontation with Putin.
He's actually, I believe Trump would like the peace prize, the Nobel Peace Prize.
But doesn't NATO defensive organization, and I don't really understand the role that they would play except as middlemen.
So my opinion is it's just an effort by Trump to gain, well, not any enmity with Putin, but certainly to stay on talking terms with him.
Thank you.
mimi geerges
Let's talk to Jeff, Heightsville, Maryland, Independent Line.
Good morning, Jeff.
unidentified
Good morning.
You know, this is real fascinating.
I'm fascinated by the fact that the American people, or I'm going to say a portion of the American people, is fascinated by Trump's ability to stand before a crowd and just tell one lie after the other.
And they sit there and clap and take notes and ask questions.
mimi geerges
So what in this case, in this announcement, what are you referring to as a lie?
unidentified
The numbers he put out.
And if we're being honest, if we can be honest, you know that 99% of what he says is not true.
And let's just talk about this thing with Ukraine.
He literally disrespected Zelensky, the president of Ukraine.
He would never have done that to Putin.
And only when it seems like it's going in his favor is when he appears to be supporting you.
Like he said, this would never happen to me.
No, it's easy to talk tough when the responsibility is not on your plate.
But see, all the news media knows this, but because they don't want to lose their licenses, they're scared Trump's going to threaten them.
So they acquiesce.
And the American people are left with this.
And our kids are left with this.
He's cutting federal workers.
He's doing things that are truly...
mimi geerges
We will talk about federal workers later in the program, Jeff.
This is thehill.com.
Voters say Trump hasn't been tough enough on Putin.
This is a poll by a Harvard Harris poll.
It was released yesterday.
And it said 60% of those surveyed, of surveyed voters, say they do not believe President Trump has been tough enough on Russian President Vladimir Putin.
And here it is by party.
So it is 58% of Independents, 73% Democrats, and 48% Republicans say that President Trump has not been tough enough on Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Wonder what you think about that.
If you were answering that poll, here is Kenneth in Stella, North Carolina, Republican.
unidentified
Hello.
mimi geerges
Hi, Kenneth.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
I just want to state that President Trump is the best president, the smartest president we ever had.
He does not lie.
He tells the truth.
He just, and God saved him for us.
mimi geerges
And Kenneth, do you believe regarding this topic, do you believe, do you support the president's actions on sending more military equipment to Ukraine to possibly sanction or tariff Russia?
What are you thinking on that?
unidentified
He's in a sticky situation, and he's going to do the best he can.
But I want to state one thing to the whole United States.
When the people were Biden for three or four years got up there and said that the border is secure, and then you could see the people following across the border.
mimi geerges
So, Kenneth, we can talk about that certainly during open forum.
Here is Hakeem Jeffries.
He's the House Minority Leader reacting to the president's announcement yesterday.
Take a look.
hakeem jeffries
Vladimir Putin has spent the entire year punking Donald Trump and the Trump administration.
Donald Trump promised many things to the American people and continues to betray the American people and break promise after promise after promise in a whole lot of areas, including Donald Trump's promise that there would be peace in Ukraine on day one of his presidency.
How is that working out?
Donald Trump has spent the first six months of his presidency playing footsee with Vladimir Putin.
And the response from Vladimir Putin, a sworn enemy of the United States of America, has been to unleash terror on Ukrainian children, communities, and civilians.
Donald Trump has zero credibility in this area.
Is he just now figuring out that Ukraine is a friend to the United States of America and Russia is an enemy?
Is he just now figuring out that the United States should always stand on the side of democracy, freedom, and truth, which is standing with Ukraine as opposed to standing on the side of authoritarianism, tyranny, and propaganda, which is what he's been doing by standing with Russia and Vladimir Putin?
Is he just now figuring this out?
Congress has to act independently in this area, and we should sanction Russia and continue to keep the pressure on Vladimir Putin and Russia, a sworn enemy of this country, until the Ukrainian people are able to achieve victory for themselves, our NATO allies in Europe, and the free world.
mimi geerges
Henry in Michigan, Line for Democrats.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
There is an article in the Atlantic that you need to bring up this morning for the people to see.
The United States government is about to incinerate tons of food from U.S. aid that was supposed to go out to starving children.
The Atlantic.
Look that up.
Donald Trump is a Russian asset.
Donald Trump is stalling for Putin.
You notice how he cleverly weaves in this was Biden's war.
I'm just trying to end it for you.
Trump is a liar.
Trump is a Russian agent.
He has been doing Vladimir Putin's bidding since he got into office.
He knows what he's doing.
He and Vladimir have been having conversations.
But look up that food aid.
They are about to incinerate food instead of sending it to starving children.
mimi geerges
Got it, Henry.
And this is Representative Joe Wilson, a Republican on X, who says, Grateful that President Trump will send weapons to Ukraine.
This is a wise and great decision from a wise and great president.
Ukraine wants peace, but Russia wants forever war.
I told you Trump would fix it.
And Barb in Longrove, Illinois says the selling of U.S. weapons to NATO for supply to Ukraine is a good idea at this time.
The threatened stronger tariffs against Russia should be imposed sooner, however, since strong attacks on Ukraine are happening on a daily basis.
Angie is a Republican in Sterling, Virginia.
Hi, Angie.
unidentified
Hi, good morning.
mimi geerges
Morning.
Go right ahead, Angie.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
What I haven't heard regarding the Ukraine and Russia, Russia's northern ports are frozen in winter.
He needs Crimea.
People look at a map.
Crimea has access to the Med and other parts of the world where his ships can moor in the winter months.
Also, Syria has a $10 billion oil pipeline running north through the Ukraine, use Burizma as its name, but it covers all of Europe.
All those European countries depend on that oil, as does Russia and China.
This is money to Putin.
And they talk about everything else, democracy, blah, blah, blah.
We want to take it over.
But they never say why.
Putin is not going to give up unless he gets those southern ports and access to that oil, what makes him wealthy.
Thank you.
mimi geerges
Crystal, Democrat, in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania.
unidentified
Yes, good morning to everybody.
But I just want to say that Putin is putting his middle finger up to Trump, and the world is laughing because you're talking about putting tariffs on Russia.
What does Russia give to us?
The tariffs are only going to hurt Americans.
What is Trump talking about?
I believe everything that most people have said this morning.
Trump is a fool.
The world is laughing at us.
Trump is not doing anything to Russia.
Terror has only hurt Americans.
Russia is laughing at Trump, and the world is also laughing at Trump.
Trump is a fool.
That's just how I see this clown.
Have a good day.
mimi geerges
Joe in Carrollton, Kentucky, Democrat, good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
This is Joe Gilbert.
I just want to, my opinion is, I believe that the president has been made a fool by Putin.
And then wait 50 days for doing tariffs against the other means for their economic engine to keep this war going is put the tariffs on today.
I do believe that the Senate and the House do have a bill to start this and get this bill going.
Putin will not stop until his objectives are done.
He doesn't care about Putin.
Putin does not care about Trump.
Period.
Thank you.
mimi geerges
Sid in Upper Marlborough, Maryland, Independent Line.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
My name is Sid.
To deal with Putin, you have to use diplomacy, and that's exactly what President Trump is doing.
He's waiting 50 days on tariffs, and I do not support putting tariffs on India and China who's buying oil from Russia, because that is just going to collapse the trade deal with China and India.
India has not even signed the trade deal yet.
So with Russia, you have to think about there's other factors involved.
You just can't go ahead and do this and do that and mess the whole situation up, which is already messed up.
mimi geerges
Hold on, but Sid, the secondary tariffs means that President Trump would tariff countries that do business with Russia, that buy Russian oil or Russian energy.
So are you saying you're against that?
unidentified
Yes, I'm against that.
mimi geerges
Why?
unidentified
It's got nothing.
Because that's only going to hurt us.
You think India and China is going to sign a trade deal with us or support that if you're going ahead, if you're going to go and hurt them too?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
We are not in a position to dictate terms to other countries anymore.
That's only going to hurt us.
That is my point of view.
mimi geerges
All right.
And this is from Forbes.
This is contributor Natasha Lindstedt who says this about the topic.
She says, while not a game changer in the war in Ukraine, the delivery of Patriot surface-to-air missile systems is by far the most powerful tool Ukraine has to protect its skies from Russian aerial attacks.
Without Patriot missile defense systems, Russia can continue its devastating aerial bombardments, not only on major Ukrainian cities, but on vital infrastructure, including weapons factories and power plants.
That's in Forbes.
Bob, North Carolina, Democrat.
Good morning, Bob.
unidentified
Good morning.
I have to say one thing, too, because I'm just as old as a Trump.
And this is the East Coast.
For the people that don't know the East Coast and Northeast Coast, that live out west and down south and all that, they don't know what he does.
But Trump is not the president.
It is Steve Miller that's making it all that.
Trump can come out and say some queer things, talking about it's a beautiful beer.
It's with this, this, and that.
He's not saying anything.
He's talking loud and not saying anything at all.
mimi geerges
So, Bob, related to the announcement about weapons to Ukraine.
unidentified
It should have.
Trump is not giving weapons to Ukraine like he's supposed to.
If anybody looks go back to 2015 and that pageant they had over there, what Trump did to that 15-year-old girl and all that, that is what Trump is holding, Putin is holding over Trump.
That's why Trump is treasonous.
mimi geerges
All right.
And this is what Senator Chris Kuhn says on X. I'm heartened that Trump is realizing that Putin is the only obstacle to peace in Ukraine.
Today's announcement should help ensure that Ukrainians fighting for freedom have the weapons they need to defend themselves so they can be better positioned to secure a lasting peace.
And this is Representative Ilhan Omar, Democrat.
It's way past time we stop writing blank checks for endless wars to appease warmongers.
I introduced five amendments to bring us in line with a more just defense budget, one that centers the needs of the American people and addresses past harms.
And Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania, Democrat, this is the right call.
Ukraine deserves our absolute support in their fight for democracy and against tyranny.
Israel, Ukraine, Taiwan.
Our struggles are the same, only the names are different.
unidentified
Mike said before, I happened to listen to him, he was on C-SPAN one.
That's a big upgrade, right?
But I've read about it in the history books.
I've seen the C-SPAN footage.
If it's a really good idea, present it in public view on C-SPAN.
rachel maddow
Every single time I tuned in on TikTok or C-SPAN or YouTube or anything, there were tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people watching.
unidentified
I went home after the speech and I turned on C-SPAN.
I was on C-SPAN just this week.
patty murray
To the American people, now is the time to tune in to C-SPAN.
unidentified
They had something $2.50 a gallon.
I saw on television a little while ago in between my watching my great friends on C-SPAN.
C-SPAN is televising this right now live.
mimi geerges
So we are not just speaking to Los Angeles.
unidentified
We are speaking to the country.
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