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Jan. 6, 2025 11:28-11:54 - CSPAN
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justin trudeau
Doing the job that Canadians elected us to do in 2021, which is fight for their interests, stand up for their well-being, and make sure that they are good and that Canadians are protected and strong.
There will be a leadership process, and the rules will unfold over the coming weeks.
But I can assure you that the tools and the need to stand up for Canadians, to protect Canadians in their interests and continue to fight for the economy, is something that everyone in this government will be singularly focused on.
unidentified
I'd just like to point out that the rules of any leadership race will be something we'll be discussing over the next few weeks.
But the elected government, the government that was elected to protect Canadians in a very complex world and most recently elected in 2021, our government will continue to be focused on what's in the best interests of Canadians while the Liberal Party is doing what it needs to do to organize leadership race.
Thank you very much for being here in such great Ottawa Day.
And there you have it, Justin Trudeau.
Can we take you back now to more of this morning's Washington Journal?
kamala harris
This duty is a sacred obligation, one I will uphold, guided by love of country, loyalty to our Constitution, and my unwavering faith in the American people.
As we have seen, our democracy can be fragile.
And it is up to then, each one of us, to stand up for our most cherished principles and to make sure that in America, our government always remains of the people, by the people, and for the people.
May God bless you, and may God bless the United States of America.
john mcardle
A video message from the Vice President being released about 25 minutes ago this morning ahead of her duties today in that joint session of Congress, the joint session will take place at 1 p.m. Eastern Time.
And you can, of course, watch it here on C-SPAN.
John is in the Granite State Independent.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
A couple of things.
When you were talking about January 6th, as you're talking about January 6th, some of the stuff that never was talked about during the made-up here, and I say made-up, it was totally a Hollywood show, and we all know that.
I mean, they even hired people from Hollywood to put it on, which was totally ridiculous.
john mcardle
But you think the entire riot was staged?
unidentified
No, that's not what I said.
The whole committee thing was staged.
john mcardle
Gotcha.
unidentified
This was put on by Hollywood.
The riot happened, absolutely happened.
Whether it was pushed on by the 25 people from the FBI that were in the crowd that were never talked about during the hearing, that was one of the things.
How come they never talked about those people?
What were those people doing?
We still don't know.
No one's talking about those people.
They were in the crowd.
We know they worked for the FBI, but we don't have a clue what they did.
They also didn't call the chief of police.
Stephen Sun.
He was the chief of police at the time.
Why did he get called?
Why wasn't he answering questions?
john mcardle
Did you read Stephen Son's book?
unidentified
Yes, I have.
john mcardle
What did you?
unidentified
Yes, I have.
What did you take from the book?
He said it was a riot.
It wasn't an insurrection.
That's what he said.
He said they were out of control.
He had asked previously for help.
Nobody wanted to give him help.
Where was the national guard?
He asked for it.
Trump asked for it.
Who denied it?
That never came out in the hearing.
john mcardle
Have you read other books about January 6th?
There have been plenty from officers who were there, from the former chief of police, from other writers.
One recent one focusing on Ashley Babbitt and women who were part of the crowd that went into the Capitol.
Have you read any of the other ones?
unidentified
Well, I've read stories from Ashley Babbitt's husband of who she was and what she was doing there.
So, no, I haven't read other books because I don't want to see the propaganda.
Again, we never heard from Nancy Pelosi.
We never saw her emails from that day.
We never saw her text from that day.
Why?
Why?
She was the head of security.
What happened there?
So that's unbelievable.
Not to say anything about the bomber.
They had the bomber on the phone.
How did we not know who that person is?
john mcardle
That's John in New Hampshire on books on January the 6th.
Here's another one that we covered on C-SPAN's book TV.
Journalist Jack Cashel talked about Air Force veteran Ashley Babbitt, the other women who participated in the riot at the Capitol.
The event took place back in July at Next Chapter Bookstore in New York.
And you can watch it at c-span.org on book TV.
This is Tiffany, New York, Republican.
Good morning.
It's open forum.
unidentified
Hello.
Good morning.
john mcardle
Go ahead.
unidentified
Hey, my question is not about what happened with the riots or anything.
My question is about what is going on today.
They're doing the final count today for the president.
What happens if the count is the count shows that Harris wins by a margin and not Trump because they're saying things are so close?
Do we really know who's going to come out winner?
john mcardle
Tiffany, do you think that there will be different counts submitted from states today?
unidentified
No, I'm saying I don't know.
john mcardle
I'll tell you what, Tiffany.
unidentified
I'm saying I don't know.
Just hypothetically.
Hypothetically.
john mcardle
So Tiffany, stick around.
Actually, it would be great for you to watch Kevin Kosar.
He's coming up in about 20 minutes, and we're going to dive into this whole process: where the ballots that are counted and certified, where they come from, how they're handled in the state process before they get up here to Capitol Hill, what it means to count and certify them, and everything that you'll be seeing today that takes place at 1 p.m. Eastern.
Kevin Kosar will do that a lot better than I could for you right now.
So stick around.
We'll get into all of that in about 20 minutes.
This is Jonathan in Minneapolis.
Democrat, good morning.
unidentified
Morning, John.
First off, I appreciate the opportunity to speak.
I just wanted to say it's cold in Minneapolis.
It's snowing everywhere.
And let me explain to you what's going to happen next.
What is going to happen is that they're going to say, because of all the people that are coming there for the women's march, because of the people that are coming there for all the rallies or pro-rallies for Trump, there's going to be too much disaster-ness going on between everybody.
And they're going to say, oh, well, we can't have it outside because there's snow everywhere.
We're going to have it inside so Trump can feel good about the crowd sizes.
So there's that.
And there's also been drones and there's all this other stuff.
john mcardle
Jonathan, you're talking about inauguration on the 20th.
You think it's going to be moved inside?
unidentified
Absolutely.
Freaking lutely, because he, that man, I will never say his name.
He is not my president.
And what is about to occur today is the debacle of the American Justice Department and also the debacle of American human rights.
grant in minnesota
And for anybody that voted for him, voted against everyone of them than themselves.
unidentified
And they should be ashamed of themselves and what they've done to this country.
If they have issues, emotional issues, mental health issues, whatever it may be, your Social Security is gone.
Health coverage is gone.
Anything that you need from now on, there's a new virus going around in downtown or anywhere else in the country.
Anyone say anything about it yet?
Not yet.
john mcardle
That's Jonathan in Minneapolis.
He said it was a cold and snowy Minneapolis.
It's a cold and snowy Washington, D.C. today.
The snow's been coming down since late last night and is expected to be pretty steady throughout today until this evening.
The electoral vote certification process will happen.
Mike Johnson saying, despite the weather, despite any weather, this will happen today at 1 p.m. Eastern, and you can watch it here on C-SPAN.
This is Victor in St. Petersburg, Florida, Independent.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning, John.
Good to talk to you again.
I'll tell you, it really feels like we're grasping the low-hanging fruit today.
But that being said, January 6th was a riot.
That's all it was.
It was not a coup.
I mean, if there were criminals that broke windows and breaking and entering, whatever it is, put them in jail.
That's fine.
That's what we do, unless you're a BLM member.
But there were no weapons, none of that.
john mcardle
I mean, as far as a few people that said, some weapons were found on people at January 6th.
When you say put them in jail, who do you think should stay in jail?
Because President-elect Donald Trump has talked about pardoning some people.
According to the latest counts, 14 people have been convicted and sentenced of seditious conspiracy.
379 charged or convicted of assaulting police officers and the media.
287 on felonies of rioting, property destruction, theft, firearms counts, those weapons that were found.
And then 869 have been charged with misdemeanors related to January the 6th.
If you're going to pardon anyone or all of them, who would you pardon?
unidentified
Who would I pardon?
john mcardle
That's the question, Victor.
What do you think?
unidentified
I'm sorry.
We broke up there for a second.
Who would I pardon?
I would pardon the people that certainly didn't have those weapons.
That's what I was talking about.
You didn't actually mention what weapon.
What are we talking about?
Are we talking about flagpoles and whatnot?
I don't know.
john mcardle
So there's been people convicted of firearms counts related to January 6th.
Victor, those were some of those various felonies, some 287 felonies of people who have been charged and convicted.
unidentified
Are we allowed to carry concealed weapons in this country?
john mcardle
I think you can in Florida, right?
unidentified
You're damn right.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I just have a problem with some of the things that I'm hearing on here.
I love the comments about Trump spending 80 minutes watching TV.
I mean, he sent three emails.
I think two to the D.C. mayor and one to Nancy Pelosi saying, hey, we're hearing some chatter over the airways about there being a riot.
Can you do anything about that?
But she did nothing.
And I believe Pelosi was in charge of the Capitol Police.
She did nothing.
The extrift, extra presence, nothing was done.
I mean, she did this.
This was a plan.
She let it go and then she said, hey, we'll use it against them.
And that really didn't work.
I think, you know, part of the problem in this country is the Democrats.
I honestly don't think they understand the meaning of the words they use.
I mean, women have penises, men have babies, the borders closed.
Republicans are fascists.
Yes.
Biden's at the top of his game.
They need to crack the damn spine on a dictionary and take a peek.
john mcardle
That's Victor in Florida.
This is Malcolm, Houston, Texas, Republican.
Good morning.
unidentified
Hello.
john mcardle
Go ahead, Malcolm.
unidentified
Yes.
Lily, I couldn't get the Democratic number.
I'm a Democrat.
john mcardle
Well, I'll tell you what, Malcolm, we want to keep you calling on the phone lines that you identify with because it just makes it fair for folks calling in.
A lot of people waiting to call in on the Republican line, too.
So call back on the line for Democrats if you're a Democrat.
This is April in Pennsylvania.
On that line for Democrats, go ahead.
unidentified
Hi, thanks for taking my call.
I feel like I am in some kind of bizarre universe watching some crazy movie.
How are we still arguing about what happened on January 6th?
If we walk into any federal government building, I mean, usually it's like we have to be orderly, respectful, we probably get searched.
I'm like, it was a riot.
It was, how do we not see what happened?
We need to stop listening to soundbites and propaganda, go back to critical thinking, and use our actual eyes and see more than one point of view.
I just can't believe we're still having this discussion that January 6th was not an insurrection.
I'm sad.
I'm nervous.
I'm scared for our country.
I wish people would be talking more about why Trump, why would Trump want to hold a victory rally the day before the inauguration when the inauguration is his victory rally, right?
I'm like, shouldn't we be looking at history?
What happened in history that would be similar to what would be this victory rally?
Just like how he had that Madison Square Garden rally.
I'm like, it's eerily similar to Nazis.
And I'm just, I'm terrified, I'm scared, and I just don't know how we as a country can come together.
Instead of arguing and fighting one another, we really need to come together as a nation and just heal and actually learn real history and stop listening to propaganda.
john mcardle
That's April in Pennsylvania.
Matt is in Baton Rouge, Independent.
Good morning.
unidentified
Hi, thank you.
Good morning.
Thank you.
I have two points to make.
January 6th was not an insurrection.
It was a riot.
To call it an insurrection, whenever we had cities that were walled off from the police during the riots of the summer and call those protests and what happened on January 6th an insurrection, that's a foul.
That is.
That's insulting.
Those riots were something else.
Cities were burning.
But that was a peaceful protest, according to the press.
And that leads to my second point.
The press and the media and the news that people have distrust with is because of misleading people for a long time now.
If the press would start talking about the truth, exposing some of the corruption in Congress on a regular basis rather than covering it up or just ignoring it, you might get some more followers and some believers and some integrity back in journalism.
john mcardle
Matt, when was the last time that you trusted the press?
unidentified
I trust the local press more than national press at this point because I can see what's happening in my town and how it's publicized.
As far as national coverage, you have to take that with a grain of salt these days because there's so much corruption there.
john mcardle
Did you ever trust it?
unidentified
Yes.
john mcardle
When?
unidentified
That's been decades.
john mcardle
What was it?
unidentified
And that follows with this whole peaceful transfer of power.
When did that become a catchphrase whenever we've had an election for a new president?
When did that start?
john mcardle
You don't think we should have a peaceful transfer of power?
unidentified
No, I do.
I do.
But when did that become a catchphrase as part of the process?
john mcardle
You think that's a new thing?
unidentified
Absolutely.
That is.
I say recent and I say new, I mean like in the last 10, 20 years.
I've been voting for 40 years now, and I don't remember that ever being part of the process of making that a statement and making it a statement more than once in a single speech like they do now.
john mcardle
What's Matt in Louisiana?
This is John in Houston, Texas, Independent.
Good morning.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
I've been listening to your show for quite a while.
And, you know, everyone has their opinion, but as you pointed out to a few, it just seems as though ignorance of what's going on in the country is rampant, that some of these people are making this crap up as they go along.
And it's just a terrible indictment.
It's the people that are voting.
If any of these people voted at all, it just seems as though they follow Trump, Trump, Trump, that he's going to unite the country.
He's going to divide the country, even more so than it is.
That's all I really had to say on the subject.
john mcardle
That's John in Houston, Texas, from the White House Historical Society on the peaceful transfer of power.
The White House is a stage for a peaceful transfer of power from one administration to the next and exhibits online discover how the transfer from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson back in the very early 1800s featured set this precedent of a peaceful transfer of power.
Senior historian Matthew Costello speaking for the White House Historical Association.
You can learn about the long history of that, whitehousehistory.org.
This is Charlotte, Pikeville, North Carolina.
Democrat, good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
Thank you for having me and letting me speak, sir.
I don't look in the past or anything, and I know there was an insurrection, you know, say four years ago or whatever, but we need to be looking into the future.
Donald Trump and the Project 2025 debunking public education is what I'm really concerned about.
You know, what are the citizens supposed to do in getting their children educated if they debunk public education?
john mcardle
That's Charlotte in the Tar Hill State to the Hoosier State.
This is Mary, Republican.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Good morning.
Thank you for allowing me to speak this morning.
A couple of things.
I think the lady just said on the call before about public education, I think there's too much government involved in everything.
Put it back to the state.
Now, for January 6th, that was a riot.
It was no different than Black Lives Matter burning down the state.
I think the media itself feeds untrustful Smith in this country.
They need to get back on being truthful and stop being one-sided.
john mcardle
That's Mary, a Republican.
This is Linda, an independent, back in North Carolina.
unidentified
All right.
You know, one thing that nobody has ever mentioned when everybody's trying to figure out who's to blame for January 6th, you know, and whatever you want to call it that happened, they said they tried every day.
They called the police.
They called the National Guard.
And the one thing they did not try, which worked, when President Trump finally walked down and said, okay, guys, go home, everybody turned around and left.
Now, is that a clue to who's responsible for this thing?
john mcardle
Linda, in North Carolina, about five minutes left in open forum.
I've been showing you pictures from around the United States Capitol today.
Security is high today.
We'll continue to be through the inauguration.
It was yesterday, Senator Amy Klobuchar, the Democrat from Minnesota, spoke about security on Capitol Hill, comparing it to four years ago.
This was on CNN's Day of the Union.
amy klobuchar
And what we found out last January 6th, and this could have been any event, but this one is etched in our minds forever with the police officers dying, so many people hurt.
We literally had cops that couldn't get at their riot gear.
It was locked on a bus.
A four-hour delay to call in the National Guard because of some rule that had been in place that created a phone tree.
Our architect of the Capitol, who's kind of the boss of a bunch of the employees, wasn't even there.
So these were dramatic changes we made.
103 recommendations.
And my job as chair of the rules committee was to make sure they got done.
We have, as you know, a new police chief, increased morale, many hundreds of more officers, and we have a plan and a strategy in place.
That's not to say there aren't threats all the time on members of Congress or on the Capitol.
But I feel very strongly that we have made major shifts.
What happened last time where an officer's words haunt me forever on the police line said, does anyone have a plan?
Does anyone have a plan?
And the answer from the leadership back then was no.
Now we have clear leadership in place.
john mcardle
Senator Amy Klobuchar, the chair in the 118th Congress of the Senate Rules and Administration Committee, as it's known, the administration part of that, the administration of the various agencies on Capitol Hill, oversight of the Capitol Police Department, the architect of the Capitol, the government printing office, and others.
Those are some of the scenes that you're seeing on your screen of a snowy morning on Capitol Hill.
Time for a few more of your phone calls.
It's open forum.
This is Paul in New York, a Democrat.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
I just want to speak about the incoming administration and how everybody thinks that Donald Trump won't be doing any more to divide this nation that he already has.
You know, if I'm to take the man at his word, when he was on a campaign trail, he literally campaigned on retaliation for those that, quote unquote, dare go against him or spread lies.
We just had one case ended where a journalist who made a statement about Donald Trump settled for several millions of dollars, and that might be more evidence of what's to come in the next four years of Trump campaign, Trump's second presidency.
I don't have much faith in Republicans who swear to allegiance to the man as opposed to the nation, which is what I've mostly been seeing over the last couple of weeks in this past-going congressional term.
And the next congressional term probably won't fare much better.
john mcardle
That's Paula, New York.
Carl, last caller in Open Forum, Republican from Florida.
unidentified
Go ahead.
Hello?
john mcardle
Go ahead, Carl.
unidentified
Yeah, so frankly, I'm sick of this insurrection talk.
You know, the problem with the Democrats is they've tried to create a narrative of something that was more than it was.
It was a freaking riot.
Okay, it's nothing but lies.
And the press, you, in particular, being a Washington Post individual, you've done nothing but help support this lie, printing things like the insurrection.
We all watched what happened.
We all saw that it was nothing more than a riot and much less of a riot than what we saw in Minneapolis and other places.
You know, people are fed up with lies.
I think, you know, people can say what they want to about Trump.
The press will say he's lying.
He's giving you the truth, right, most of the time.
And it's just ridiculous.
It really is.
And people are fed up.
And I want him to get retribution, frankly.
I want him to go after these people that have done nothing but lies and create this narrative that is totally false.
john mcardle
What do you want to see, Carl?
unidentified
I'm sorry?
john mcardle
When you mean retribution, or when you say retribution, what do you mean?
unidentified
I want him to go after and investigate it.
And if they've done wrong, they need to be put in jail.
And these poor people and sitting in the Washington, D.C. jail that have not had due process and been sitting there for years, what a travesty.
You let these people that burn down Minneapolis off with nothing.
And these people have been sitting in jail for years, not even had a trial.
That's not America at all.
john mcardle
Carl, what do you think of the people who have gone on trial and have been convicted of various crimes?
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