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All the leaders here for all you have done and all you will do.
And let us continue to fight for the opportunity and the dignity of all people.
May God bless you, and may God bless the United States of America.
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We will start in Durango, Colorado.
This is Todd, Independent.
Go ahead.
Yeah, hi.
That was Colin regarding a lot of the issues regarding building a border wall.
It seems like most of the focus when we discuss immigration, et cetera, doesn't focus on the impacts of a border wall on major wildlife corridors along some very wild places on the U.S.-Mexico border.
And it's kind of frightening to think about what drill baby drill means also from an environmental perspective and deregulating the energy industry.
It's a very scary thought.
And just wanted to see what people thought about that.
I mean, the mainstream media doesn't cover this issue very well at all.
And they never really bring up the aspects of the impacts on wildlife.
That's Todd in Colorado.
This is James in Bad Axe, Michigan.
Democrat, good morning.
There are two things that I'm interested in.
A president who's been indicted and convicted.
His interest in law enforcement.
And the second thing that I'm interested in is his dragging Krishner relatives into this country without following normal immigrant procedures.
Thank you.
John is in California Republican.
It's our open forum.
What's on your mind, John?
Hey, good morning.
Yeah, a couple things.
There was one of the callers that was worried about the environmental impacts.
Well, I work in the Port of Los Angeles.
And when you deal with environmentalists, they claim that their interest is the environment and regulating certain machinery that puts off certain emissions.
But all that's really doing is taking away American jobs.
We have a port that is being built in Los Angeles where it's basically autonomous.
It's manless, and they're taking the jobs.
And what I think the Republicans need to do is regulate foreign companies from coming over and taking American union jobs.
The blue jean working class, middle American, working class man is now more leaning to the right, not to the left.
So the rank and file and all the unions across the nation that are listening to this, the upper brass, you need to pull your heads out of your ass and start voting with the rank and file and not your own self-interest.
Thank you very much.
That's John.
This is Yvette in Florida, Line for Democrats.
Good morning.
Good morning.
One of your previous callers mentioned chain migration and that's how Melania Trump's parents became citizens.
Well, her father was a card-carrying communist, apparently.
And I wondered, well, how does a card-carrying communist become an American citizen?
And when I looked that up, it said that if you have not been a card-carrying communist for 10 years, then it's okay.
You can become an American citizen.
So I thought that was kind of interesting.
Yvette, where did you look that up?
Where do you go for immigration information and citizenship information?
I Googled it.
I Googled it.
I just, you know, I wanted to know about her parents, I guess, is what I was doing.
And I found out that he was a card-carrying communist.
And, you know, and then I looked a little further and found out what the situation is there.
So I have never heard anybody talk about that before.
So I thought I'd call in and throw that out there.
That's Yvette in Florida.
Here's a story back in 2018 when Melania Trump citizens became parents, when Melania Trump's parents became citizens of this country.
The NPR story on it from August the 10th, 2018, First Lady's parents become U.S. citizens thanks to chain migration is the headline.
If you want to read it, that's the date, NPR.org.
This is Peter in New York, Republican.
Good morning.
Yeah, good morning, John.
I wanted to address your birthright citizenship.
They're not going to change the Constitution.
There are not enough people in this country who want to change it.
And I do agree with President Trump that if you're a dreamer and you basically spent the majority of your life here, you should be given preference as far as citizenship is concerned.
But the only thing that they possibly can do are change the laws regarding chain migration because I'm not sure of the exact figure, but I believe it is that every immigrant who comes in and becomes a citizen brings in about approximately 30 more people into the country through chain migration.
So that's one way they could change it.
And also regarding children who are born here from illegal parents, they can change the law saying that if a child is under the age of maturity, They don't lose their citizenship.
But if their parents leave the country and they have to go with their parents, Tom Holman said that.
When they reach the age of maturity, if they want to come back and live in the United States, they can do that.
So there's a few ways that they can get around the citizenship law in the Constitution, but the Congress has to have the will to do it.
Peter, another one that there's at least some effort, executive order, perhaps, perhaps another route, is to tighten rules about women coming to this country to have children, the birth tourism issue that several callers have brought up, that while not changing birthright citizenship, there's ways to prevent that from happening perhaps as much as it's happening now.
Yes, I agree, John.
If you are coming to the United States on a visa, a tourist visa, and you are pregnant, then they could say, no, you cannot come into the country under those circumstances until you give birth.
Now, I granted the left in this country will fight it in court, and they may win and they may not win, but that is another area where you can put restrictions.
Ambassadors, ambassadors who live in the United States, who have their families here, if their children are born in the United States, they are not automatically American citizens.
So there are ways of getting around this.
But as far as changing the Constitution, that's not going to happen, John.
They're not going to change the 14th Amendment.
Thank you, John.
Peter, thanks for the call.
This is Amy down in Florida, Independent.
Good morning.
Hi, good morning.
I know this might be a little bit off topic, but I'm concerned about the large amounts of foreign buy-up in the United States because of like the steel mill in Pittsburgh.
Also, China is buying large swaths of land around military bases.
I'm very concerned about that as well.
You know, what is their strategic, why are they doing it type thing?
Also, you have Russia buying large swaths of property in coal mines and infrastructure in Kentucky.
Those are the things that I'm concerned about because when we go to conflict with these countries, they could cut us off from buying steel in Pennsylvania.
They're looking on our military bases to see what we're doing because now they own that property right next door.
You know, you start buying into where, you know, Russia owns large-scale corporate operations.
So, Amy, you know, those are the things I'm concerned about.
On that topic, and you mentioned steel specifically, this story getting a lot of attention recently.
Japan's Nippon Steel is committed to a $15 billion acquisition of U.S. steel, and according to Reuters, is confident of completing that deal by the end of the year, despite strong U.S. opposition, including from President-elect Donald Trump.
We will not give up on the deal.
There is no global strategy without the U.S., said Nippon Steel's vice chairman to Reuters after returning from an eighth visit to the United States.
The U.S. steel with U.S. steel, Nippon Steel, aims to raise its global steel production capacity to 85 million metric tons per year from 65 million tons now, and the assets is core to its goal of lifting production capacity to more than 100 million tons long term.
Nippon Steel might be one of the stories you've been hearing about in the news.
This is Michael in Pensacola.
Democrat, good morning.
Yes, I'm talking in reference to the media events that President-elect Trump creates.
This is the latest thing, verified citizenship.
Crystal Walker said, are you going to do this through executive order?
He said, yes, I'm going to try it through executive order.
Of course, he knows that's not possible.
You cited the circumstances of terms that the Constitution being reformed has had two-thirds of the Congress, House, and Senate, as well as the Congressional Baron, in reference to that.
He creates media events that really have no substance.
And that's similar to the circumstance in reference to the dog people eating the dogs and cats, him dressing in the McDonald's uniform, the sanitation uniforms.
Again, this is all show.
He's a promulga.
There's very little substance to his whereabouts.
Thank you.
That's Michael in Florida.
About 30 minutes left in our open forum.
Any public policy issue that you want to talk about, the phone lines are yours to do so.
We can also talk foreign policy.
This is the lead story of USA Today and pretty much every major newspaper.
Assad flees to Russia, chemical weapons in Syria, a top-tier priority for the United States and the United Nations.
The rebel forces seizing the capital of Damascus in Syria.
And it was President Biden yesterday from the White House pledging support to Syria and its neighbors after the collapse of the Assad regime.
This is about a minute and a half of President Biden yesterday.
We now see new opportunities opening up for the people of Syria and for the entire region.
Looking ahead, the United States will do the following.
First, we'll support Syria's neighbors, including Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, and Israel, should any threat arise from Syria during this period of transition.
I will speak with leaders of the region in the coming days.
I had long discussions with all of our people earlier this morning.
And I'll send senior officials from my administration to the region as well.
Second, we will help stability, ensure stability in eastern Syria, protecting any personnel, our personnel, against any threats.
And remain our mission against ISIS will be maintained, including the security of detention facilities where ISIS fighters are being held as prisoners.
We're cleared-eyed about the fact that ISIS will try to take advantage of any vacuum to reestablish its capabilities and to create a safe haven.
We will not let that happen.
In fact, just today, U.S. forces conducted a dozen of precision strikes, airstrikes within Syria, targeting ISIS camps and ISIS operatives.
Third, we will engage with all Syrian groups, including within the process led by the United Nations, to establish a transition away from the Assad regime toward independent, sovereign, and independent, independent, I might say it again, sovereign Syria with a new constitution, a new government that serves all Syrians.
This process will be determined by the Syrian people themselves.
The United States will do whatever we can to support them, including through humanitarian relief, to help restore Syria after more than a decade of war.
That was President Biden from the White House yesterday.
On Saturday, it was President-elect Trump who put out his thoughts on Syria in a long post on Truth Social.
It ends by saying this, there was never much of a benefit in Syria for Russia other than to make Obama look really stupid.
In any event, Syria is a mess, the president-elect writes, but is not our friend, and the United States should have nothing to do with it.
In all caps, this is not our fight.
Let it play out.
Do not get involved.
This is Howard out of Ohio Republican.
Good morning.
You're next.
Good morning.
Are you there?
Yes, sir.
Yeah.
If people want their government, a true American government, you have to stop all the donations, all the lobbying.
The elites are running this country.
You should make it to where take away all lobbying.
Take away all that crap.
And what you do is you make them go out and you make them beat the roads and get votes that way.
If you want to donate, make it to where you can donate $500 per household.
That way the corporates can't give all their employees money to donate to their candidate so they can run the country.
Get all the corporate crap out of the country and let the American people run the country.
Enough is enough.
A billion dollars Harris Bilt spent on her campaign and she still owes a couple of million.
How ridiculous is this?
And what does all that money go for?
Just ads?
It's stupid.
It's crazy.
And half the ads are lies.
You don't know what side to believe.
And that's the other thing.
The news needs to quit putting their opinion in and put the news, not their opinions, the news.
Howard, on the lobbying aspect, Howard, when folks who work in the lobbying industry have come on this program and talk about what they do, they will say that what they do is protected by the First Amendment, that it's in the First Amendment, that you have a right to petition your government for a redress of grievances, and that that's what lobbyists do.
They're petitioning members of the government for a redress of grievances.
What do you think of that, that lobbying is a First Amendment right?
Petitioning something is different than buying them off.
Come on, if we was all rich, we could buy off a lot of things.
It's crazy.
They are running the country.
And until us American citizens figure it out and stop it, they're going to keep on running this country.
Howard, one more question.
Reports on just how much money Elon Musk spent on campaign 2020 in efforts to support Donald Trump.
Over $250 million is the number that's being cited now.
I'm a Trumper.
I don't care.
It needs to stop all the way around.
It needs to stop it.
And as far as like your congressmen and all them, they vote their own selves in a raise.
Come on, where have you ever worked at a job where you can vote your own raise in?
They haven't done that in a while, Howard, voting themselves a raise.
Oh, so how do they get the raises?
They haven't gotten the raise.
They haven't gotten a raise in a while.
Oh, well, at $170,000 a year plus all these expenses, what do they need one for?
What do they do?
Here, And when Congress and them go into session, half the time they walk in, they do their little stance with the little poll thingy, and then they say something, and then they have a prayer, then they dismiss it, then they dismiss it for the day.
It's Howard in Ohio.
You can watch the House when it comes in today.
It's noon Eastern.
The Senate comes in at 3 p.m. Eastern.
That's over on C-SPAN too, of course.
Nat is in Decatur, Georgia, Independent.
Good morning.
Gee, gee, the Congress won't be until noon.
I wonder why C-SPAN is not going to stay on until then.
But that's not why I called.
I called to ask you to please, the way you do it sometimes is so impressive, instantaneously get on the screen the view of Congresswoman from North Carolina telling the representative of the free press to shut up.
I want to introduce my topic by sharing with the audience that aren't we all, don't we all listen to C-SPAN because we care deeply about important stuff?
Don't we agree that C-SPAN offers an opportunity for people to hear some really important stuff if you can get through on the line?
I didn't call to be a part of a discussion.
I called to make a statement.
If you callers would please follow the instructions of the screener and mute your television, then we have callers who have something worth hearing to say will not be denied an opportunity because their time was used up by the host begging the caller to mute their television.
So, oh, and do you have Virginia Fox on the screen telling the journalists to shut up?
Have you not noticed, people, that's what's going on around the world?
But the Washington Journey's answer to that situation is to let's tie up the line saying good morning to each other.
That's insanely impro, what do you call it, unacceptable, C-SPAN?
Now, let's hurry up and go say good morning to the next caller and then interview somebody that knows nothing about anything and ask them a bunch of 20-word questions that don't make sense.
I gotta go.
I don't want to die on the phone over this.
I just want you to start doing right.
Pretty please.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
That's Nat in Georgia.
This is the Hill newspaper on that incident that Nat refers to.
House Republican tells reporters to shut up for asking Speaker Johnson about overturning the 2020 election, that happening back towards the end of the election cycle back in October.
You can watch it on c-span.org.
That's a headline on it.
This is David in Idaho.
Democrat, good morning.
Good morning.
Thanks for taking my call.
I wanted to touch on the 14th Amendment section.
More of a question.
I'd love to get a legal scholar's opinion on it.
But it reads, all persons born are naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
And my question is this: if someone comes from a different country into the U.S., are they not still under the jurisdiction of their original country?
And we could just deport them if they do something wrong.
So I think there might be some legal play to make a change there.
Just throwing it out there.
Thanks.
That's David in Idaho.
This is Kelly in Denison, Ohio.
Republican, good morning.
Hey, John.
Hey, I'd like to bring up a couple of things.
One is we can't forget our hostages over in Israel or with Hamas.
We got to get those guys back.
And I want to go to the caller who was talking about China buying our farmland and putting it in places.
John, I don't know if you know about Jim Jongping, but the man, his person that he looks up to is Chairman Mao.
This man is totally dangerous, and he plays the long game.
Now, President Biden is not the smartest or the sharpest tool in the shed, John.
I'm telling you what, Xi Jongping knows how to play Biden.
I am totally worried about whenever Clinton was being charged with her, with his Monica Lewinsky, we let Osama bin Laden go.
I'm worried about the Chinese.
They play a good game, and Biden is in their pocket.
I'm really worried about this, John.
You got anything to say about that?
I was going to point you to a segment on the Washington Journal in which we discussed with the director of a new frontline documentary about Xi Jinping, the rise of Xi Jinping in China.
You can find that at c-span.org.
It was just, it was last week or the week before on the Washington Journal, but the director speaking about making that documentary about trying to dig into the life of Xi Jinping.
And there it is.
There it is there.
Martin Smith is his name.
He was on this program.
This is Dave in New Jersey, Independent.
Good morning.
Yeah, I was wondering if anybody's really curious about the drones flying over in the Chinese subs off our coast.
And don't forget the aliens, right?
They're coming too.
You know how to fight them?
Telepathically.
All right.
This is David in Illinois, Democrat.
Good morning.
Good morning.
I'm trying not to get emotional.
We are really, really heading towards a civil war.
This is what Donald Trump's going to do, and people need to listen, especially African Americans and people of color.
Donald Trump is going to, one, part of the January 6th Committee.
First thing: this is all legal.
January 6th, people get part.
Two, he's going to deputize them to make them his deputies.
So now they can become deputized.
So they can go into minority and also people of color communities and say they're deputized to do whatever they need to do because then Trump is going to give police immunity, which he said everything he's getting ready to do within the first 100 days, he's going to do.
And January 6th Committee, people pardon the complete community immunity, going to attack the minority community.
And the people of Springfield, Ohio need to get out of Springfield, Ohio, because the January 6th is just, this is part of history.
All right.
That's David in Illinois.
You mentioned January 6th.
This is the headline from the Washington Post about the January 6th committee, Donald Trump's comments about the members of that congressional committee in that NBC News Meet the Press interview yesterday, saying in part, everybody on that committee for what they did, honestly, yeah, they should go to jail, Trump said.
The committee, which shuddered when Republicans took back the House in January 2023, consisted of seven Democrats and two Republicans, Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois.
This is Edward in Jersey City, New Jersey, Independent.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Thank you so much.
Mr. John, happy holidays to you.
The last time I called was before the presidential election.
I was telling you all that, you know, I'm assigned as a poll worker where I live.
I'm excited.
You know, I just want to do the best that I can do, you know, serving the people there and everything.
And then, like, it all happened.
And, you know, obviously I was shocked.
You know, and now where we are just after your last segment with the birthright citizenship question, you just never know when to call in because you only have one chance every 30 days.
But I'm like, I'll call in for an open forum.
So it doesn't matter, like any like I disagree with Trump, right, and his whole vision for our country and usually like the Republican Party.
But even if this, like, if something is horrible, it's like they take away certain people's birthright citizenship.
If it passes through Congress and if the Supreme Court reaffirms it, it still doesn't make it just.
It still doesn't make it just.
I just, I just, there's so much that I disagree with them on.
Edward, it would likely have to be a constitutional amendment, the birthright citizenship stemming from the 14th Amendment, which says all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
And a constitutional amendment, which takes three-fourths of both houses, right?
Like in order for that to pass.
Two-thirds of the House, two-thirds of the Senate, and then ratified by three-quarters of the state assemblies.
It doesn't legislative bodies.
It doesn't matter.
Our history is proven to us that we fail.
Like, you know, generations have failed us in the past.
You know, like this, this pendulum that swings in my view, like back and forth in our country, you have in the 18th century, Black Lives Don't Matter.
19th century, you know, it's the in this, this is ridiculous.
Like, I just, we need to enshrine like our rights in, you know, into our Constitution once and for all.
And Akola called in and said that.
Like, I feel like our system, in a sense, is outdated too.
You know, like it's not, it's not getting to, it's, it's just, we, we can definitely update our system.
And I just, I had to call in and to share that.
Edward, are you going to be a, are you going to be a poll worker again in two years, four years?
Oh, heck yeah.
I'm in New Jersey.
And although this was the presidential election this year, just next year, we have our primary in June for our state governor's race.
And then my local city, my township, we have our mayor's race as well.
So next year is important on the local level.
And although I'm independent, I caucus more with Democrats because Democrats are, in a sense, more progressive in a policy view.
But I'm telling you, like the National Democrat Party, they failed us.
They are not progressive enough.
People are not responding.
And I'll stop.
I'll stop here.
Thank you so much.
That's Edward in New Jersey to the show me state.
This is Homer, Democrat.
Good morning.
Wow, John.
Good morning, and good luck hurting the cats.
Here's what I have to say.
The last colour, he's part of the problem.
I'm a blue dog, a blue dog.
I'm a Jimmy Carville Democrat.
And our hope is with Fetterman, I believe.
But I will say.
What does a blue dog believe for folks who may not be familiar?
Well, we're working class Democrats.
You know, we're not elitist.
We're union people.
You know, we got dirt under our fingernails.
And sadly, we've been diminished to campaign.
Can be just like it's a litmus test.
She finished 20 out of 20.
And I still believe that Biden, I mean, Biden did a good job.
I mean, they're building bridges around here, too.
Though Sam Graves takes credit for it, he did not vote for it.
But the thing is, it was just too much, too much rainbow.
We got to get back to our roots.
What does too much rainbow mean, Homer?
Well, it's, you know, men in girls' bathrooms, men competing in women's sports, you know, that kind of thing.
They just didn't fly here, man.
It just does not work.
And we got to get back to the basics, man.
And it'll be a guy like Fedderman who has to bring it back.
And you know what, John?
I wish I had a dollar for every Republican that called in on the independent line.
And you have a great day, John.
That's Homer in Missouri.
About 10 minutes left in open forum.
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202-748-8000 for Democrats.
And Independents, it's 202-748-8002.
This is Brock in New Jersey, Independent.
Good morning.
Yeah, good morning.
I just want to say protect our troops, home and abroad.
Thank them for their service and whatnot.
We're coming to the end of a tumultuous year.
I've lost a lot.
I've learned a lot.
I've been blessed a lot.
I guess my biggest point is, you know, we all have a lot to say and a lot to add.
And I think that is very important that, again, we keep C-STAN and productions like this to make sure all our voices are continuously heard.
What I feel like is that with the money interest, and, you know, we're all on a time scale.
Like, you never know where you're going to go.
So the best thing you want to do is, you know, depending on how you're brought up, you know, whether you care about more other people or it can have like a based on a life experience where you just start caring more about yourself, and that starts to be your concern.
But we have too many soft targets in this country, I believe.
And I mean, I think that that should be something that we all agree on and work on as Americans, safeguarding.
The fact that the border wasn't as secure as it should have been, and the fact that our immigration system has been abused over the years.
The fact that, you know, again, I just heard about in Hoboken, there was a cyber attack.
You know, I heard in my city of New York, there was a cyber attack one back a couple years or whatever, and we had to pay the ransom.
And again, these are things that normal citizens don't know about what's going on in their communities, and it has an effect on the community, but it's almost like it doesn't get talked about.
So people really don't get to address those issues.
You have people in places of power that don't know when to relinquish power or when to get new ideas.
And because, for instance, like I understand that we had to deal with the crime issue, and so that precipitated why businesses didn't spend.
But, you know, knowing that things are going to change and have that forward thinking, that forward view, having that insight from other points of view, you know, have people think forward.
And so, you know, we can't be caught dropping the ball.
I think with Biden, what happened was the Afghanistan thing.
So even if he knew that he was going to have to get out, he should have had a plan to do it as soundly and securely.
But, you know, I hope Trump, I feel like Trump is under the gun right now, you know, metaphorically speaking.
And so he definitely, I feel like if we just make sure that he does the best job, make sure we have the best health care, make sure we have the best food, you know, the greatest type of jobs.
And I think that we should also let AI do what AI needs to do today.
Brock, we'll take the points.
This is Bob Logan, Utah, Democrat.
Good morning.
Good morning.
What I'm talking about, I'm a little concerned about this drill baby drill.
They talk about drilling on public lands, federal lands.
And the easiest way to do that is to let the oil companies buy the land or the billionaires.
And, you know, Trump's pretty easy to read.
And I just have a feeling that might be what's going on.
I guess that's all I needed to say.
Bob, you're saying buy the land as opposed to lease the land out?
You think the idea is to give away federal land?
Or to sell off federal land, I should say?
I have a feeling that's what they're talking about because right now, right now, they're talking about they will have all the oil we need that they're drilling.
So I'm just concerned.
That's what makes the West great.
And, you know, we own this property, all of us, from New York to Los Angeles.
All this public land.
And I'd hate to lose it.
America, please keep your eye on what's going.
And if something like this happens, call your senators.
It may not do any good.
I'm a guy that does this all the time.
I guess that's, you know, I can't hear you.
No, Bob, I'll take your point.
I was just looking up the numbers, Bob, from Utah, in a state where roughly 68% of the land is federally managed, some 37.4 million acres of federal land in the state of Utah, one of those states with a whole lot of federal land, mostly by the Bureau of Land Management, but other, including the National Park Service, other branches of the federal government controlling land out there as well.
This is David Crab Orchard, West Virginia, an independent.
Good morning.
Yeah, so there's exceptions to the 14th Amendment about born citizenship.
Diplomats, foreign soldiers serving in the United States family, they are not citizens if they have birth in America.
Military and diplomats overseas are citizens, even though they wasn't born in America.
I didn't hear anybody discuss that.
And remember, John McCain was born in Cuba, I believe.
And he was an American citizen because his father was.
I think it was Panama, David, right?
Wasn't it?
The Panama Zone?
Yeah, Panama.
Yeah, Panama, yes.
So nobody covered that, but there's exceptions.
So why can't they do other exceptions?
Like they were talking about the people being brought here for birth and then take off and get citizenship.
So they can be more exceptions.
Have a nice day.
It's David in West Virginia.
This is Janet in Ohio, Portsmouth, Ohio, Democrat.