Bride Of Charlie: Dr. Jerri & Mrs. Hyde | Episode 2
Erica Kirk’s alleged ties to occult-linked figures like Aleister Crowley and Barbara Bush’s disputed parentage spark claims of elite psychological manipulation through MKUltra, Operation Paperclip, and Quaker Oats’ radioactive oatmeal trials. Her father, Kent Francfey, married at 14 under a falsified birth certificate, later marrying military general Kenneth Himsel while working in child psychology during MKUltra’s peak (1970s). By 1983, she ran Radford University’s gender clinic, accused of fraudulent research with family members, and later influenced the controversial Tesseract School—linked to Bushes, Waltons, and Monsanto’s John Goli—before its 2000 closure. Phil Bliss’s LSD counseling and a 1996 school shooting, plus Dr. Jerry Franz Fay’s role in Money’s unethical gender experiments, deepen suspicions of systemic elite control, with Turning Point USA’s $10M financial mystery and CIA/occult rumors looming over her connections. [Automatically generated summary]
Now, I know a lot of American grandparents woke up a little bit confused this morning, wondering why their grandchildren are suddenly referring to them as far far and more far.
I'm proud of us.
We classed up, America.
We're now, we're taking that.
We're taking that from Sweden.
This series is maybe dedicated to all the far fars and more fars out there.
I was actually speaking to one of Erica's exes, and he told me a pretty interesting story.
I thought it was very interesting.
Aside from offering the standard, I do not recognize who this human is at all anymore.
I don't recognize the person that she is pretending to be.
She's very different when we dated.
Everyone says that across the board when you ask them about the relationships with Erica.
But he did tell me another interesting little tidbit, a little neckdote.
One morning, he would often, I guess, speak to Erica about how close he was with his grandfather.
His grandfather had already passed, and he's dating Erica, and she's getting to know him and his life and the things that matter to him.
And he says that one morning, Erica wakes up and she tells him that his grandfather, who has passed and who he adored, came to her in a dream with a message.
And he just thought that was quite odd.
I thought that was an interesting story.
It tells us a little bit about Erica because that is a psychology of sorts.
It kind of reminds me of when Megan Markle would spray Diana's perfume on to sort of attract Harry.
We're learning a lot more about Erica and her psychological profile, and we are going to discuss more of that in depth today.
So on background, I don't know how far down various rabbit holes you have gone, but if you are a regular viewer of the show, then you are very familiar with the name Alistair Crowley.
If you are not, please, in your spare time, hit Wikipedia, read maybe Hollywood Babylon, Chaos.
Look, the short and the thick of it is the elites practice occult sex magic.
You just got to accept that that is a circumstance at the top.
They've been doing that for a long time.
They get together and they have these satanic sex parties where they try to summon various demons.
That sounds crazy, I know, but it's real.
It's right there in your face if you just look into history a tiny bit.
And Aleister Crowley, who was once termed the world's wickedest man, would host these parties all across the world.
And he even created his own religion around it.
Science of Thelema, Black Magic.
There are so many stories out there regarding Aleister Crowley attempting to summon various demons.
In France, he tried to summon Pan, I think in Paris.
And many times people would end up in the hospital.
But probably the one story that ranks supreme is something that happened in 1923 in Sicily with one of his acolytes.
Aleister Crowley was sort of grooming a young Oxford student to become his magical heir.
He saw this young Oxford student and said, you've got it.
You're amazing.
Come down to Sicily and let's try to do some spells together.
This was a 23-year-old student, okay?
Aleister Crowley thinks he has the it factor.
They go down to Sicily and the kid ends up dead.
I'm actually going to bring on my producer, Ashley, to explain to you a little further what happened when they were working on an invisibility charm.
Take a listen.
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Yeah, so basically, Aleister Crowley was convinced that he was able to make himself invisible, and he was trying to bestow that power upon his little magical heir, Raul Loveday.
This was during one of his infamous ceremonies at his abbey in Sicily.
But during the experiment, they both got really sick.
Aleister survived.
He was fine.
But the nurse that was helping them said that Raoul became slowly fainter and fainter until he just completely disappeared.
And so Aleister buried him in a quote-unquote empty coffin.
Like there was absolutely nothing in it.
And later, Raoul's wife, who was there, she was present for all of this.
She blames Aleister Crowley for this or Crowley for this.
But just a few years later, in 1929, they came out and said, oh, no, actually, he just died from inflammation of the intestines.
So I'll tell you why this is important, why Aleister Crowley is so significant to the things that are happening today, okay?
What ended up happening was Mussolini, the evil fascist, kicked him out of the country for being a Satanist.
Fortunately for Aleister Crowley, this didn't actually matter because he was friends with the elites all over the world, including, and this is just a historical fact, a woman by the name of Pauline Robinson, who would eventually, after spending time with her friend Aleister Crowley, eight and a half months later, she gives birth to Barbara Bush.
Okay.
This is just, again, a little over eight and a half months after hanging out with Aleister Crowley.
Obviously, you know who Barbara Bush is, the mother of George Bush.
Now, this is the source of the rumors that Barbara Bush is actually the child of Aleister Crowley.
Now, why am I telling you that?
Why am I starting this episode speaking about these occult rituals and the idea that the elites are practicing occult magic?
It's because it's important that as we begin to connect dots throughout this series, that you fully digest, as I told you yesterday, that Operation Paperclip was not about rescuing brilliant Jewish scientists who were being persecuted from Germany.
It was about rescuing wealthy occult perverts like Sigmund Freud and his boys, referring to them as scientists, saying that they had scientific breakthroughs so they could go on doing perverted things and go on being the elites.
The same families have been in power for a very long time.
Everything else is just an illusion, okay?
I don't know how some people don't recognize that.
Just looking around at who they keep trying to tell us is a genius.
How is it always the rich people?
Do you guys really think that every offensively wealthy kid who makes his butler do his homework grows up and becomes a tech genius?
That's just the story that we keep being told.
Jack Parsons, unbelievably wealthy kid who created the jet propulsion laboratory.
That's the precursor to NASA's Apollo program.
Oh, he was such a genius.
He was trying to literally summon demons.
He was Aleister Crowley's protege.
He was doing the exact same thing that Aleister Crowley was doing, throwing elite sex parties, saying we're going to create a moon child, everyone, sex drugs.
Look, Elon Musk seems like a nice guy, but do I believe he's running 17 trillionaire dollar companies at the same time while also having 49 baby mamas?
No, I don't.
I don't accept that.
Bill Gates, that one bothers me the most.
Oh my God, shocker.
He's in the Epstein files.
Look at him, people.
Look at him.
Look at his face.
Of course, he's in the Epstein files.
You really think this guy is just a genius?
He went from computers to pharmaceuticals to poisoning African kids.
He's just so genius.
Yeah, I'm troubled the most by people who ever bought that that man was smart.
Poor and middle-class people, no, we just can never go on to become geniuses.
It doesn't work like that.
Now, I want kind of want everyone to just wake up from this occult spell of thinking that these people are smarter than you.
They are not natural geniuses, which do exist, like Charlie Kirk.
You get to, you have to either play ball with the elites, meaning hand over whatever it is that you have built to fulfill our ends.
Let us be in control of the message.
What you're doing is big.
We want, we want in.
Or if you say no, you wind up dead.
That's how, that's how the world works.
And the military is responsible for keeping particular families in power.
It's pretty much eugenics at the top and social engineering at the bottom.
And we have proven over and over again as a society that we are subject to psychology.
Our minds are malleable.
They've trained us via marketing to poison ourselves so that we can't have more offspring, aggressive marketing campaigns, propaganda, repeat promises of scientific breakthroughs, scientific breakthrough.
Oh my God, we had no idea it caused cancer.
What do you mean she can't get pregnant?
We're so shocked.
This is what the military does best, okay?
Psychological operations.
You've seen it in this entire lead up to Erica Kirk.
It is part of the reason I believe, I don't know if you've thought about this a lot like I have.
Why did the military choose to have us all watch Charlie's execution?
Think about that.
They could have just like poisoned his drink or something, done their standard, you know, mess with the brakes and get into a car accident.
I don't know.
But no, they wanted us to watch it.
They wanted to make sure that we all watched it and we had an emotional reaction and that they could sort of harness our emotions to get behind Erica, right?
Erica, that was where it was supposed to go.
You watched it.
She's the widow.
That's why they just keep saying the thing.
She's the grieving widow.
She's a grieving widow.
Never mind everything that she's doing right now.
Never mind the lack of concern that she seems to have for this investigation.
Me sitting down with her and her speaking about Charlie and never is emotion coming up.
And she's like, Yeah, I just, I like to work.
But then when I see the first trace of emotion, it's about her mother who's alive.
Charlie's dead.
Charlie's dead.
Everyone recognized something was off about that.
The way that they are defending her is crazy.
I've never seen anything like it.
I could do 27,000 series, like I said, about Hillary Clinton.
They wouldn't care.
They wouldn't care at all.
But Erica, my goodness, that you can, there is something there.
You cannot touch or speak about it because, well, they cast a spell.
What's wrong with you guys?
Well, anyway, let's quickly recap the military connections that we've already established in the Erica Kirk story, right?
So we learned that Erica was born at the Good Samaritan Hospital on either the 20th or the 22nd of November of 1988.
It depends on who's telling the story.
Is it Erica?
Is it Lori?
Is it Erica's dad?
A hospital graciously gifted by the Marine Corps after they were kind of caught experimenting on human brains.
Because who among us hasn't been caught experimenting on human brains unethically?
Youth, I guess, is wasted on the young.
You should also know that more far or far, far, Carl Kenneth was himself a military man.
He served in the Army Corps of Engineers.
And I have to tell you, having looked through so many people's stories, I do believe that the Army Corps of Engineers is not always engineering, you know, planes.
I think sometimes they're just engineering society.
Social engineering is what they're into.
I'm not speaking about Carl Kennedy specifically, but that's very obviously one element of our military.
Now, Erica's father and her mother, Lori and Kent Franc Fay, as we learned, were married in Marblehead, Massachusetts.
We still cannot find a single shred of proof regarding that union having taken place, but we do acknowledge that it is the birthplace of the Marine Corps Aviation.
Although whether that marriage took place in the 80s, whether that marriage took place in the 90s, or whether that marriage took place at all, we will see if we can discover throughout this series.
But today, I would like to discuss with you guys Kent Francfey's first wife.
This woman is very important.
The woman that he married before Lori, in my opinion, is one of the more compelling characters in this story because she's very powerful, she's very connected, and she has quite a peculiar background.
And ultimately, her life, despite the fact that she married Kent first, is going to plug right into Erica's life.
This woman's name was, she died two years ago, Dr. Jerry Francfey.
Look at Dr. Jerry Francfey.
I'm going to tell you about Dr. Jerry Francfei.
She keeps her name.
She also dies in Arizona there.
Oh, everybody's in Arizona.
You would have no idea that these people were exes and they seem to get along quite well.
They keep doing business together.
Well, Dr. Jerry was born Jerry Pitts in 1943.
She was born into a very strict Mormon household.
Yeah, fun fact.
Erica's father was at first married to a Mormon before he got together with Lori.
Jerry's Mormon family is from Arizona, a very powerful Mormon family, but she herself was raised in Indianapolis, Indiana.
Jerry also happens to be a victim of child rape.
Okay, now she's going to tell the story in a different way.
She's almost going to, when she retells this story, make it sound like a love story.
It's weird to me.
I don't think a person should be trying to normalize child rape.
Or if they do, they probably shouldn't hold any future positions of power over children, wouldn't you agree?
Well, I'll let Jerry tell it.
Let's read a bit of this article from 1981 where she recounts her own history.
It tells us that at 14, she ran away from a strict Mormon upbringing in Indianapolis to get married.
She says, quote, I was a straight A student and was about to get the worst mark of my life, a C in algebra, Français said in an interview.
I couldn't face my parents.
I loved my boyfriend.
We saw an opportunity and we took it.
I lied about my age.
I altered my birth certificate.
I then smeared it with clairosol to make it look older.
Six months later, we asked to come home and we were welcomed.
She was a mother before her peers graduated high school and divorced before she was old enough to vote.
Okay, so just to recap, she gets married at 14, not mentioning the fact that she's already pregnant.
Okay.
She then runs away for six months to the other, just the other side of Indianapolis, uses Claricell so she can get married at 14, has this little shotgun wedding.
She gets married to a guy named Carl Pan Girl.
Carl Pan Girl, spelled P-A-N-G-E-R-L, is five or six years her senior.
Look, she's already telling us she's forging Doc, so he could be five or six years her senior.
And just so you know, he's going to go on to become a bishop in the Mormon church because marrying a child is apparently not a disqualifier.
In fact, she tells us her parents welcome them back into the home.
Okay.
Okay, I guess.
Let's keep going.
They divorce, and then Jerry somehow becomes a bookkeeper.
She gets into accounting.
So it doesn't matter that she got knocked up at 14, that she's married and divorced before she turns 18.
She's still somehow able to just get a good job and begin a career.
She becomes a bookie.
She learns clerical machines.
And I would love to know who exactly it was that she was bookkeeping for because I think it probably was somebody pretty important.
Because Jerry then suddenly marries some top rass in the military.
Her second husband, and we're not going to get it, just going to give the facts about him.
He's a man named Kenneth Himsel, and he's a captain in the Indiana National Guard.
He goes on to become a general, a major general.
They get hitched in 1965.
Jerry's now got connections.
She gets a bachelor's degree in psychology.
That same year, psychology is what?
She is about to become an expert.
That's going to be her career path in.
She just gets psychology, particularly the psychology of children.
It's now 1970.
She's 27 and she becomes a social worker in Indiana.
And instantly in my mind, and I get it, I'm a conspiracy theorist, but I'm pretty obsessed with MKUltra.
I don't love anybody that was a psychologist in the 70s, especially one that's connected to the military, especially someone that's connected to the military in Indiana who happens to be a victim of child rape herself.
I'm not loving it.
A lot of red flags here.
It's immediately suspicious because MKUltra was in full swing.
And if you did not know, Indiana was a major hub for MKUltra action.
The universities in Indiana were factually involved in experimentation.
In fact, Indiana was actually the place that the government manufactured the LSD to drug people with for their experiments.
You can thank Indiana for the hippies movement.
Thank you, Indiana.
Anyway, suddenly Jerry's big time.
Okay.
In 1971, she heads out to Chicago and she begins working for Quaker Oates for three years.
Now, if you're like me, I was like, well, at least Quaker Oats, we know, hired a psychologist for what?
She says she was helping them with marketing.
What kind of marketing?
Okay, the official story, I don't know, help us sell these oats.
And if you're like me, I was literally thinking in my head, well, at least Quaker Oats was never involved in any weird MKUltra type experimentation or anything.
Except for that one time when Quaker Oates was actually going into mental institutions and force-feeding a bunch of radioactive oats to little boys.
Look at this article.
This is our, this is our government.
A spoonful of sugar helps the radioactive oatmeal go down.
Yes, Quaker Oates was conducting experiments on unsuspecting young boys.
Yeah, I don't know what to say.
Anyway, the Atomic Energy Commission teamed up with Quaker Oats to experiment on children.
Now, how long did that go on for?
Did Jerry Franca herself play a part in any experimentation on children with Quaker Oats?
Was this even related to MKUltra?
We're never going to know any of those answers.
Put it out of your minds because in 1975, the military orders the destruction of all of the files related to MKUltra.
So what we have today, which is already terrifying, is just a skeleton of just how far-reaching that CIA program was.
But I can say confidently, I've always believed that MKUltra was tasked with creating Mentorian candidates.
I believe a lot of people in politics today went through weird psychology programs.
It's my personal opinion.
This is my podcast.
I am entitled to it.
Jerry meets and marries Kent France Fay, jumping back into her timeline.
Okay, she meets and marries Kent France Fay while she's working for Quaker Oates.
And she's a few years older than him.
She continues to climb the ranks as a psychologist, gets a master's degree, a doctorate.
Now she's going by Dr. Franz Fay.
And her and Kent Franz Fay move down to Paradise Valley, Arizona, before deciding to divorce.
Okay.
Supposed to believe that, okay, well, they're divorced.
Never going to see each other again.
Maybe.
Should know that once she becomes a doctor, she has arrived.
She is now going to work for the biggest and most powerful families in the world.
Okay.
This is where it's going to get really fun because she begins working for, I mean, not even just one of the most powerful families in the world, but it also happens to be a French family.
Ah, France.
I could never do a series where you're not there, France.
The DuPonts.
I kid you not.
She starts working for the DuPont family, becoming the director of employee relations for DuPont because she's so good at psychology.
She gets into organizational psychology.
She is tasked effectively, I would say, with finding the psychopaths that should head up the corporations that are run by the elite bloodlines.
She goes into partnership working for the DuPonts.
Now, in case you forgot, they're also just mass poisoning people.
That's what they've done for a very long time.
If the lawsuits are telling us anything about it, they have innumerable lawsuits related to them poisoning the population, giving people cancer.
Jerry's apparently a good fit.
In 1983, DuPont completes the largest merger in corporate history with Conoco Oil, and they're able to do this thanks to Reagan and George Bush being in office, deregulating things, making it easier for private corporations to go in and do bigger deals.
Of course, we know DuPont then moves those headquarters to Wilmington, Delaware.
I just loved looking into her and just seeing that she's the DuPont woman because I like to pause and reflect on past episodes when I don't know why everybody's freaking out about things.
And I just like to consider how terrified they must have been when I'm looking into the Charlie Egyptian planes and I'm like, what's going on in Wilmington, Delaware?
And I instantly hit the DuPont family.
And then Erica's out there nervously at Amfest cracking like not funny jokes about Egyptian planes.
She's like, no, nobody who Egyptian planes are here.
Tell you something, her jokes are going to become less and less funny as we get deeper into this series.
Now back to Dr. Jerry.
She is then somehow awarded an entire clinic, a research center, pardon me, at Radford University in 1983, a gender clinic of all things.
She's a feminist and she's awarded a denner clinic and they begin giving lessons to the military.
My question is on what?
Gender?
Why do we need a research facility?
Oh, I know why.
The reason, and so you need to understand how the world works.
The reason why companies might be interested in having people that will come up with BS research for them is because government and corporations have to produce completely fictitious academic reports and studies to justify the psychopathic things that they're doing to us worldwide.
You got to have the psychopathic experts that will produce the reports so that people in power can just unilaterally force things across the population.
Like the COVID vaccine.
Oh, well, Dr. So-and-so.
Oh, Dr. Franfei maybe says that if you don't get the vaccine, it's because you're a psychopath.
If you don't line up and get the shot, it's because you're crazy and she's an expert.
That sort of a thing, you know, just giving you an example.
She wasn't involved in the COVID thing, to my knowledge, but that's the purpose, right?
And Dr. Jerry Franfei becomes that sort of an expert with ties to the most powerful families in America and France.
She also, by the way, happens to be a total and complete fraud.
I am confident that Jerry Francfey is a fraud, okay?
Fraud, capital F fraud.
How do I know?
Look no further than this report that came out of Radford University that Jerry Francfey produces pertaining to Native Americans and the Appalachian map.
I'm just going to show you the cover of this report really quickly.
So it says that who's putting together this report, the Center for Gender Studies, and it lists five names, Marjorie Whaland, George Bourne, Richard Castor, Susan Friedman, Jerry Francfey.
Well, not what she doesn't communicate in this report is that that's her family.
Marjorie Whayland is her mom.
Richard Castor is her nephew, her sister's son.
This is why they just get married so much because, and I didn't even look into the other two.
I just couldn't, when I, once I realized that the two of these people were her family and they're going to produce a report, I just went, oh, she's like a whole fraud.
That's just effectively Mormon mafia, right?
We've done a report.
I guess we can go into Native American.
They need feminism or something.
We can go right onto the reservation.
These women want to be free, something like that.
But I want you to sear that into your mind.
Mormons conducting research.
Students conducting research.
Again, this is a background episode, but that's going to become very relevant as we examine Erica Kirk's ties to Eastern Europe because Jerry Franfé gets involved in Eastern Europe, especially in Eastern Europe.
What is going on, by the way, with all these Mormon missions?
Tyler Boyer, I'm kind of speaking to you, my friend.
I know about your time in Romania.
I've got the receipts.
Now, we'll dig into that.
But the reason that I wanted to give you the background of Jerry Franz Fay is because after this, heading into the 90s, the next thing she does in life is she gets involved with charter schools.
She gets into the charter school business, particularly helping them to develop psychological methods with students.
Yeah, you know where this is going.
Dr. Jerry Franz Fay is going to be the person that helps develop the Tesseract way.
Tesseract schools.
The school that Erica went to that is exceedingly problematic.
And I'm going to tell you a little bit more about that after a quick break.
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I mean, it is just not an exaggeration whatsoever for me to suggest that the Tesserac School, when you look at the people that are involved very much, you can view it as almost a child psychological experiment.
I'm going to introduce those individuals to you.
Let's just recap Tesserac School in general.
We've already informed you, Erica will be there from 1993 to 1999.
We showed you this photo of her in the first grade.
We also then showed you this photo of Erica in the second grade.
Erica, by the way, I should note, because we got some comments about this, she has spoken about how her mother chopped her hair off.
So that is a known thing because she didn't know how to do her hair.
I'm actually inclined to think that it was because her dad was taking care of her at that time.
I'm not positive about that, but that would definitely make sense because these are going to be the years that she has a stay-at-home dad.
Third grade photo we have here with Erica in this school.
This is without question a school that is being designed by the elites.
It is backed by the Bushes and the Waltons.
They, among other elite families, they are again kind of getting into government money in a way, pioneering charter schools.
You give us the tax dollars and we'll show you a better way to use them.
Government schools are failing, right?
We're always in that right versus left false dialectic, but the same families are benefiting from it.
We're going to use this government money, okay?
Now, of course, you're going to do all that.
You need to have your elite psychologists on board to help develop these children, how you're going to test them, how this is going to be a different model.
And that is why it makes perfect sense that Dr. Jerry Francfey, who conveniently is her entire Mormon family, is from Arizona.
Her and Kent had a home together in Arizona, in Paradise Valley, which is exactly where this particular school was.
This was the first school, and this one is going to fail very quickly.
But yeah, of course, she's going to help them draft those psychological models at the School of Erica attends.
Now, Erica might not know this woman.
She may not have met her.
I would definitely be shocked if she didn't know about Dr. Franz Fay.
She just doing the models.
Did she sit down with the kids?
I don't know, but this is going to be how they handle these students is going to be described as the Tesseract way.
Now, I want you to know who else is involved with this school.
Because if you think Dr. Jerry Franz Fay is problematic, well, I told you already that John T. Goli is the CEO of Tesseract.
He does that announcement about it with Jeb Bush, who is supporting charter schools.
Well, I told you John T. Goli, he was working with Roundup Monsanto on their launch.
So I guess him and Jerry, Jerry's with DuPont.
That's a natural alliance, poisoning the population and getting away with it.
But there's some other key players here.
Really want you to know about this guy named Phil Bliss who joins the board of Tesseract.
Okay.
Phil Bliss here over there in the corner.
Phil Bliss, the board member, was involved with Stanford University in the 70s.
I'm not going to say, yes, I am MK Ultra, MKUltra.
Okay.
He was known widely during that time as a drug counselor.
You know, okay, everyone's taking LSD.
You got the drug counselors and he is also working with Stanford's Hospital for Addiction Research, right?
He then co-founds a school in Palo Alto, which is called Mid-Peninsula High School.
He installs himself as the principal of that school, and that school then has a shooting in 1996.
It turns out that the student that committed the shooting had been working with Philip Bliss through his depression.
Okay, fantastic candidate.
I don't know.
I just, I got a lot of questions about these psychologists.
As I said in the first episode, when you look at all these things that are happening, school shootings, behind everything is a psychologist and a prescription counter, truly.
He also on that same campus, by the way, he was on the board of a French-American school.
So he also has French connections, but that's just kind of implied now in my life.
The person who is going to be running the school as the executive director is a woman named Jill Kessler.
She's the executive director, and she says that she moved to Arizona for her husband's job.
And he is a pediatric, developmental, behavioral, pediatrician, whatever that means.
He specializes in children and behavior, essentially.
So she is well suited.
Above her is Susan B. Silverstein, who is the vice president of development.
I have a very strong indication of who Susan B. Silverstein is, but unless I'm certain, I'm not going to show the face and tell you the backgrounds.
But yeah, we're just going to pause on that.
But we had a strong suspicion about who Susan B. Silverstein is.
But like I said, they have done a very good job of wiping anything and everything about this particular Tesseract in Paradise Valley, which eventually shuttered in 2000 from history.
I mean, even books.
They're like, this book, this person wrote a book on the collapse of it.
The book is just gone.
You cannot find this book anywhere.
I told you already that John Walton, obviously the son of Walmart founder Sam Walton, is a major investor and he also sits on the board.
And my viewpoint is that it is fair to suggest that the school in and of itself was a psychological experiment and the school completely falls apart.
There's accusations of financial impropriety, as well as the method which they used to track the success of the students.
People said this is a complete scam.
The way that you're doing the studies doesn't have any control.
There's no control.
And that would track with anything Dr. Jerry Franz Fay had her hands in because she's a whole fraud.
She's just, you can't just have your mommy do an experiment to be like, come on, man.
You can't do this.
You just can't do that.
I also want to say this, and this I'm going to say without any names here, but the family that I received these yearbooks from, they had a child, multiple children actually at the school.
And obviously the child is an adult today and has always maintained that he was sexually abused by very specific people at the top of this school.
Obviously, I'm not going to name those people.
I have no evidence of this, but I was very compelled to listen and also to believe that individual because, well, child abuse and psychology go hand in hand.
So even if I didn't have his account, I would not have doubted it.
Dr. Jerry Franzfey herself, by the way, was friends and colleagues with Dr. John Money, the notorious psychologist who like was one of the fathers of transgenderism, who then it turned out notoriously abused children.
You guys, if you guys don't know who I'm speaking about, as soon as Jerry Franz Fay opens the gender clinic at Radford University or heads up the gender research center at Radford University, she brings over Dr. John Money.
I am telling you, all of the psychologists are perverted.
They are, I mean, I'm not saying like every psychologist that you know is averted, but these people with the power and that are within close proximity to the elites.
Any incursion into history, any incursion into what happened and what went wrong into America begins and ends with these scientists, quote unquote scientists that we rescued from Germany.
And a lot of what we know and heard about World War II, obviously, is a lie and many things have been covered up.
The fact that we still celebrate these people in school, like Sigmund Freud, is your biggest clue that something is wrong.
Something's very wrong and rotten at the top.
I want to add this across the board.
Everyone that I have spoken to says that Lori, Erica's mother, is exceedingly problematic, exceedingly problematic.
They acknowledge that Erica lies about a lot of details.
And obviously, on the basis of just the divorce documents that we went through yesterday, I can see that Lori might do some things that would not be described as honest.
Okay, I don't think she is likely an honest dealer.
But what people have said to me is she is the person, has always been the person in Erica's ear.
She's this type A person that tells her who to go after in each and every room.
She knows who those people are, who Erica should instantly transform into, what she has to say.
I mean, one of her exes was very clear.
He said to me, I was warned by another person in Beauty Pageant World that that girl will do anything to get to the top and her mother will do anything to help her get to the top.
Her mother herself, Lori was a model, actually, at one point.
So that hunger for Erica to get to the top, there is a connection just based on discussions I have had with multiple people to her mother.
And I know that's an untouchable subject because there was all, there's always this, well, she's sick now.
You can't talk about her mother at all.
But to get into the Erica story, you have to know who Lori Francfe is and you have to know who this cast of character is around her.
And Erica is, without question, a climber.
Okay.
She is also without question willing to lie to make her mother look better.
I mean, to say I grew up with a single mother is not true.
So why is she saying it?
Well, people suspect probably Lori is the person in her ear getting her to say that because it makes Lori look good.
She wanted Erica to be famous, but let's not remove Erica from this.
Erica desperately wanted to be famous.
No one can deny that.
Tomorrow, when we now begin in earnest to go through Erica's life, you will see she's never dated a normal guy.
She's never dated a guy with a nine to five job.
And that's what Elizabeth Lane was hitting at when she was speaking about going through her exes.
You can see like she was going to be with somebody.
She was, okay, you're going to the NFL.
You're going to the MLB.
We can be on the amazing race together.
You will see very clearly she is not dating a regular guy ever.
Okay.
Her goal was to make it.
And I suffice to say that Elizabeth Lane was very much on the money when she suggested that, that she would have done anything to be famous.
And like I said, you just, you simply will not be able to deny that when you see the stuff that we have uncovered about her and the missing year, missing years, I'll say plural, of Erica's life.
Very weird.
Where was Erica?
She even admits she's missing.
There's so much there.
Anyway, we'll take a brief break before I just show you a clip of Erica just lying casually.
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You know, easily the most important relationship, and again, I don't want to get ahead of myself, so we're going to get into this tomorrow, but the most important relationship that Erica had at Turning Point USA is Tyler Boyer.
You will recall that when I sat down with her, and I want to let you know that ahead of today's episode and yesterday, one of the questions that we keep asking that we can't get an answer is, how does Erica Kirk know Tyler Boyer?
She couldn't recall that in person.
We can't get an answer.
That seems to be something that she doesn't want to answer, right?
But Tyler's a very significant person because he introduced her to Charlie.
He set that up, right?
Not a good guy, Tyler Boyer.
And there was a rumor, which I will tell you what Turning Point's response was, but I had, and it was stronger than a rumor.
It was somebody very much in Charlie's life who said, had reached out to me and said that Charlie told this individual that he was establishing Doge because $10 million was missing.
Okay.
I heard that.
I went to Justin Strife when there was communication between us two, the COO, and I specifically asked about that.
I said, I heard this, and this person definitely knows Charlie.
He knows Erica.
And, you know, is there any truth?
They said, no, no, no, that's not true.
Well, fast forward to today, and they fired a lot of people.
And, you know, a lot of people are speaking.
And somebody who was within Turning Point USA confirmed to me that money was indeed missing out of Turning Point USA.
I can back that up 100%, which is why I'm saying it publicly, that there were millions missing out of Turning Point USA.
And they were wondering where that money was going.
And they specifically said that the money was missing out of Turning Point Action, which is headed up by Tyler Boyer.
The reason why I'm bringing that up and the reason why it's coming to my mind is because Tyler Boyer has a relationship with Lori.
And Lori was put on the board of what's that company, whatever it's called, that collects data and nobody really kind of knows what it does.
Was it like AZ Tech or something like that?
And I remember when I was sitting with Erica, she kind of brought this up and she's like, no, a lot of people want to know why my mother was put on that board, but it was just because we needed a familiar name.
That's what she said.
Lori was put on the board because they needed a familiar name.
I guess there's just not enough billionaires that donate to Turning Point USA for them to have put someone other than Lori, who we are told is very sick, by the way, and is very sick.
But they put her on the board of that company.
It makes me wonder if that is true.
And also, A, why Justin Shreif has a different version of events than somebody else at the company regarding whether or not money was missing.
There's a lot there that I feel needs to come out.
I do not believe for a single second, their version of events that Charlie established Doge seven days before he died because he just wanted to feel like Elon Musk and use an expression.
I don't buy that for even one second.
So I do want to say that.
And there is something casual about the way that Erica lies and how she lies about her background, how she lies about whether or not she's had boyfriends, didn't date for five years.
That's not true.
It's almost like she glitches and she doesn't remember.
And there's an element of that that to me feels like information is being downloaded, like she's remembering things and can't quite remember it.
And I'm going to show you this clip because tomorrow we're obviously going to get into her pageant days and how she meets Tyler Boyer and the connections in Romania.
But I do want to show you this clip of her just kind of lying very casually about how she got into the pageant world.
This is her discussing that back in 2020.
Take a listen.
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Was it after that, that's when you started pageants?
So, so the pageant world to me is something that it was an interesting season of life.
It was nothing that I was ever groomed for.
It was nothing that was ever on my radar.
I just, yeah, I wanted to play professional tomboy.
That was my thing ever since I was five.
Like that was my, I wanted to play and that's, um, that was all I wanted to do.
I was a gym rat, for a lack of better term.
And I remember getting something in the mail when I had come home from school one summer and it was like, hey, you should compete at Miss Arizona USA.
Someone nominated you.
And I was like, I don't know who would nominate me for that, but okay.
So I shared it with my mom and I, and we, I was reviewing all the different things that you have to go through.
And I thought to myself, if I were to ever win this, the most important thing out of it would be to be able to make a difference with the title.
I don't care about the photo shoots.
I just want to be able to overbook myself, being able to get involved with the local communities, with the local organizations that are actually making a difference.
So the pageant world for me was something that was not a form of narcissism.
It was more along the terms of being a steward for my state, especially as it hit our 100th year celebration.
Erica has been involved in pageants from the very beginning.
Her mother is definitely the person who pushed that.
I actually do believe that Erica loves basketball.
There's no question.
She plays basketball.
But this idea that she didn't want it is just not true.
It's so objectively not true.
Erica without question.
And anybody who's being objective and honest and looking at her history at the people that she dated and the people that she wanted to be in close proximity to can guarantee to you that this girl wanted to be famous, like very badly wanted to be famous one way or the other.
Don't want to get ahead of ourselves.
Obviously, we unpacked a lot, but I just wanted to introduce you to Dr. Jerry Franfe and that Tesserac school.
And tomorrow we're going to really jump into Erica's pageant years and when she kind of, I would say, hits the map.
I'm going to answer some of your comments when we come back after a short break.
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Okay, the comments yesterday were just exceptional.
I just want to shout out all of you guys in the comment section.
Amazing.
So funny.
We were laughing so hard.
Just going to read a few of my favorite ones.
Okay, the top comment was: had to hide in the washroom at the daily.
Oh, I'm sorry, you're going to that one first, but I'm going to finish this Daily Wire one.
Had to hide in the washroom at the Daily Wire to watch this with the other 238,000 live audience.
So good.
Angel of Remedy writes, I want to piss off Candace so that she will investigate my family roots because I want to know where I come from.
Tanner Wolf wrote, Everything they have been telling us is far, far from the truth.
I mean, loving the Scandinavians in the comment section.
It was fantastic.
We really enjoyed it.
And you guys just make everything worth it because it's so fun, even though the media absolutely hates us.
And yeah, I mean, it's crazy.
The talk about a psychological campaign to try to get us not to do the series.
You guys have no idea what they were doing.
Just no idea.
They were beyond.
Charlie writes, We all feel what is happening instinctively, Candace.
I feel you are the one who was sent to pull down the veil and unite us all against the elite global machine.
They try to divide us, but together we are strong in God and truth.
You know what?
I used to play that game too.
I didn't even realize it.
That's how good their psychological campaigns are.
Like they really do make you think you figured it out if you've picked either the left or the right.
And no, they are benefiting on both sides of that machine.
And it is the same families that are benefiting at the very top.
All of it would have seemed so crazy to me if you had said to me even five years ago that the elites are practicing occult magic.
And now I'm going, why are we even in school?
We're just literally sitting in a classroom talking about the public school system so they can just work a number on your children and make them think that they're educated and that they should pursue working for one of these companies with the, you know, with the elites.
That's the most aspirational thing that they can do.
It's so backward.
It is just so backward.
Intuition Jen writes, it seems really weird and now a bit suspicious that there are so many Mormons involved with Turning Point USA and Erica.
Thank you for continuing to go, Max.
The Mormon thread will continue to happen.
I do want to say this first and foremost.
So many Mormons helped me in the Charlie Crook investigation.
And I could not have done a lot of that early research into UVU campus if it was not Mormons running around getting information and them acknowledging what's going on at this university.
Why do I feel like the CIA is involved?
Why is our president, like former CIA, she has since stepped down, but there's a lot of weird stuff happening in Utah.
But in terms of speaking about Turning Point USA, Tyler Boyer is the guy.
He's the guy that introduced Charlie to everybody, including Erica.
And Erica can't remember how she met him.
That's not right.
Okay.
And more investigation needs to be done into Jerry Franz Fay's Mormon family.
I'm going to give you that last name again of her mother, Marjorie Farin, F-E-R-R-I-N.
And now Mormon families are always big, so this could mean something or it could mean nothing, but the Farrons definitely married into the Farnsworth clan a few times.
And Arizona, there's stuff going on there.
There is definitely stuff going on.
Tyler is close with the Farnsworth clan.
We've covered that.
There's a lot to look at.
And I can say definitively, he is not a good person.
And yeah, and it's weird that Erica is protective of him.
That should unnerve you.
That's another thing that was missing in this is just her instinct to get rid of bad people or people that were pressuring Charlie.
And if I find out that turning point action was indeed for a fact and not allegedly, and I feel like it is like I'm getting this from Turning Point USA, right?
It was actually missing around $10 million, two separate people saying that, one in their personal life saying that, and now someone in their professional life saying that.
And Erica is covering for that.
I'm, whoo, man, I am just, it's just going to get even bigger.
This is just going to get, we just need to keep the pressure and get to the bottom of what happened.
Jennifer Hofer writes, the young boy was David, the young boys who were abused were David and Bruce Reimer.
I'm from Manitoba, a small town outside of Winnipeg.
It is a very dark story.
Yes, absolutely, of what Dr. John Money did to those twins.
And there was so much evil that happened.
The media did not cover it well.
I pray he is in a better place.
There was no justice ever served.
Absolutely true.
And that was in one of Dr. Jerry Franc Fay's colleagues, given her background and what happened to her and her family was just okay with it.
Come back home.
Okay.
It's all right.
Your 19-year-old boyfriend knocked you up.
Just come back in.
This person writes: we need a day of peace and worship.
Hands across America 2.0.
We need to come together and raise the spiritual vibration of this world.
Some will fight this evil with weapons.
Some will fight it with spirituality.
Anyone have any ideas?
Let's go, Max.
I am all about fighting it with prayer and truth.
I am so serious when I tell you, they, I don't know, it's almost like they're like, they try to like cast a spell every time they lie, but it doesn't land anymore.
Doesn't land and they kind of know it doesn't land.
All of the money, like we're saying no to the money.
We're recognizing the influencer campaigns, the screaming, the theatrics.
Jordan writes, Dear Candace, you are a human being who is true to her soul.
When my father died, I held him tightly to my arms to make him know that I was there for his last path, as scary as it was for him.
Wow, it's so beautiful.
While being skeptical, I kept my senses open and I truly felt his soul coming out of his body.
Helena Dini writes, TPUSA is running a tight shipwreck.
Joyce Tutal writes, She is America's number one investigative truth seeker.
Of course, we stand with Candace, Crisis King.
Let's go.
Yeah, I just want you guys to walk away and know that the elites are practicing the occult.
I want you to know that it has not stopped.
Yes, they are satanic, and we have to just acknowledge that thing first.
Remain optimistic.
In the end, God wins.
Okay.
God, he's already won.
Pesno says to me.
I'm like, in the end, we win.
He's like, Christ has already won.
That's why they can't, they can't defeat truth.
They don't know what to do.
They're spending so much money.
They can buy everything.
They can buy influencers.
They can buy ad spots.
They can continue to float people who would naturally have failed if we did, in fact, live in a free market society.
Nobody's watching them, but somehow their companies keep growing.
Yeah, that's the elites.
That's their money.
The factory never ends.
But the one thing they can't purchase is truth.
They can't.
And so be happy.
Be happy.
That's not a thing.
Hope Bean writes: Bodhi Bawkham is a prominent pastor and author and a theologian.
He died on September 25th, 2025, at the age of 56.
His death was attributed to an emergency medical incident.
I loved him.
I wondered about his death.
Christ is king.
Yeah, I did not know those.
I did not know any of that.
So thank you.
Paigey writes, did everyone see the alleged leaked smear campaign against Candace Owens by Turning Point USA?
That isn't righteous judgment.
It's bearing false witness.
The Ninth Commandment doesn't include an agenda-driven exemption, truth over fear, Crisis King, Go Max.
I can tell you, I don't, I did not look too much into that because I felt that they were trying to distract us and our team from doing the work and actually creating the series.
But what I will say is, I found out from employees that they were behind the attacks against me from the very beginning.
And so that was quite shocking because I was obviously speaking to them in good faith, trying to understand what had happened.
And then I was very alarmed to learn that they had so early been behind a PR campaign to dismiss me.
I mean, at Charlie's real funeral, they're on the phone with the doctor and coming up with like magic bullet theory.
That's beyond weird.
Don't ever forget that.
That came from Erica.
That came from Erica.
Superman neck came from Erica.
And they're telling you, you have no right to ask questions.
Like, what?
She was running a PR campaign to help the masses believe that Charlie had like a Superman neck on the day that he was slated to be buried.
I guess he wasn't buried.
We don't know whether or not he was ever buried, but that's wild.
That is wild.
It's not okay.
And so, yeah, tomorrow, like I said, we will begin in earnest to go through her pageant years, which I'm very excited to get into.
But I felt like this background and these players are important.
Dr. Franz Fay is important.
And now I can just kind of give you the timeline.
We can go through and see what Dr. Franz Fay is doing in Eastern Europe.
And then Tyler is going to get into Eastern Europe.
And Erica is going to get into Eastern Europe.
And everybody's in Eastern Europe with the Marines and doing good things always.
They never do anything bad.
What are you talking about?
The Marines gave Good Samaritan Hospital out of their hearts.
They just said, I heart you, Catholics.
Here, have this hospital.
Yeah, that's how it goes.
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