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Oct. 16, 2023 - Candace Owens
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My Viral Feud With Megyn Kelly EXPLAINED
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Do you guys know that Elmo gif, the one with the fire?
That was pretty much Twitter over the last 48 hours if you were paying attention.
Feuds everywhere. Oh my goodness, Charlie Kirk over here being accused of being an anti-Semite.
Megyn Kelly and Candace Owens.
Oh no, I like them.
Why are these two feuding?
We're going to get into it.
Don't worry, everything is going to be fine.
That's what's coming up today on Candace Owens.
Has there been a single issue over the last four years where both sides weren't using death as a reason to justify their stances?
Death, death, you have to agree with me or else you want death.
I'll give you just a few examples.
COVID, do you want grandma to die?
You guys literally want dead grandmas.
No, actually, I was just hoping that I would be able to go to work and support my family.
I'm not concerned with killing grandparents.
It's the least you can do. Stay home.
Save lives. Save lives.
Recent issue, transgenderism.
Do you want young kids to literally die because you won't accept who they are on the inside?
Hey, doctors are now saying you can have a dead kid or you can let him transition.
Which do you choose, parents?
No, I actually personally just don't think that children should be making life-altering decisions and having irreversible surgeries when they're young.
But okay, let's make it about death.
You can take this clause and add it writ large.
Any topic. I'm serious today.
Environmentalism. Oh, do you want the planet to die?
Do you not care that we don't have a future?
Do you not care that everybody's going to die?
Florida is going to be underwater in 10 years.
Everyone will die unless we do something about the climate today.
Something as abstract as veganism.
You just want animals to die.
Obviously, your issue is you love when animals are in pain and are suffering.
You don't care when you watch these clips of animal dying, all because you are selfish like death.
Black Lives Matter! Black Lives Matter!
Oh, you don't agree with the Black Lives Matter organization?
You don't want to donate to Black Lives Matter?
Okay. Because you just don't care about black men that are dying systematically under the figurative knee of police officers everywhere.
This has been going on for years.
This is about Jim Crow.
This is about slavery. And you don't care.
You don't. Because black death does not impact you.
War with Ukraine. Don't want to go to war with Ukraine?
Okay, yeah. Well, let me tell you a story about a Ukrainian child that died because of what Russia is doing.
Had their homes destroyed by Russians.
And you don't care.
Because Ukrainian children dying means nothing to you.
Abortion. That's a conservative one, right?
You must like dead babies.
If you are marching in the streets and you are pro-choice, it is because you just like the concept of babies being ripped from their mother's wombs and then being torn limb from limb.
You love death.
That's what we're at today.
It is the doctrine of death, political arguments for people to make their points,
always use the most extreme arguments.
Let me tell you something, left or right, it's disingenuous.
Everybody is disingenuous.
And the rhetoric is becoming more and more extreme with every political issue.
So naturally, as you would expect, Twitter descended into chaos
following the Hamas terror attack on Israel.
Righteous condemnation. I want to be very clear.
I said it on this show. But a terror attack happens anywhere in the world when you have innocent people that are being attacked, people that are at a music festival, no less, Of course you are right to condemn it, whether it is ISIS, whether it is Hamas, whether it is any terror group, whether it is Black Lives Matter, whether it is Antifa.
Absolutely, acts of terrorism should be condemned, and they were.
What came along with that condemnation was what I would describe as understandable, raw emotion.
You have people in this country that have ties to Israel.
You have Jewish people in this country who routinely visit Israel, who have relatives in Israel.
So, of course, you have to expect that when something like this takes place, they are going to be emotional, and sometimes emotions can run unchecked.
I think most people, myself included, took a step back and allowed that emotion to play out for a week straight, as I said, because it was understandable.
But what I expected after over a week was for people to calm down going into the next week, for people to say, OK, listen, I was emotional.
Now I want to think rationally through this.
What is the next best thing for us to do?
And I'll give you an example of one person, a Jewish person who did just that, a journalist that I have worked with in the past.
His name is Joe Pollack.
He took to Twitter after, I believe, eight days of rhetoric, and he wrote this.
I am taking down the first tweet I posted on X when I learned about the terror attacks
by Hamas against Israeli civilians last Saturday, and I'm apologizing for it because it's
hurtful and it's dangerous if it's left up and serves as any kind of justification
for evil.
My first reaction when I heard the shocking news from Israel was to do whatever I could
to defend the people, my people, from attack.
I raced home from my synagogue, interrupting the Sabbath and the Jewish holiday.
I felt I had to do something, anything.
I sent a tweet urging Israel to quote unquote wipe out Gaza after evacuating civilians aside
from military aged men.
These were my exact words.
Quote, I have broken the Sabbath and Jewish holiday to deliver this message.
Israel should wipe out Gaza.
Allow 48 hours to evacuate women, children, and the elderly.
Destroy everything that remains.
Plow it under. And annex it to Israel.
This is the end for Hamas and the Palestinian terror.
End quote. We have all said things that we regret in moments of anger and fear and sadness, even to people that we love.
Generally, I avoid social media when I am angry or upset for precisely this reason.
I don't want to see Palestinians killed.
I just want Israelis to live.
If I had to write the same tweet today, it would be something like this.
This is the end for Hamas and Palestinian terror.
I'm taking down my tweet.
I could leave it up defiantly, but that's not who I am.
I do believe in clarifying, and I also believe in making amends.
I want Israelis and Palestinians to live together in peace.
I also want Palestinians to stop murdering Israelis.
That's a precondition for any kind of peace.
I'm greatly encouraged by the fact that Arab and Muslim Israelis have stood together with Jewish Israelis and I'm deeply grateful to the friends, including Arab and Muslim friends, who have reached out to me.
I want people who say they care about Palestinians to start criticizing terrorism and stop defending
and even celebrating terror.
The fact that they are still justifying terror does not excuse my own tweet last Saturday.
We are all individually, morally responsible for our own actions and words, and I don't
believe what I said was correct.
So I'm sorry.
My words were wrong.
I overreacted.
I'll try to do better."
You can see that that tweet got 3.1 million views.
It was wonderful. I retweeted it.
I just thought this was amazing.
You rarely see this when people do something wrong.
It was unbelievably commendable.
He said something that was tripped into something else, right?
Crush it. Gone. I don't care.
Nothing left of Gaza.
whatever, and we're going to next it in its hours.
Again, understandable emotion, but as he says himself, wrong.
Not the right solution.
Him updating it and calling for peace, that's right, while also saying that what I really want,
I think the most powerful portion of his sentence, what I really want is for Israelis to live.
That's really what he meant, but he was emotional.
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Now, I assumed rhetoric would die down for everybody else as well.
That, like I said, emotion would be replaced with rationality and people would start speaking like Joe Pollack did, but I was very wrong.
So wrong.
Nope, because others unimaginably increased their rhetoric.
Their rhetoric became more dangerous and really more accusatory beyond anything else.
Now it became, if you didn't agree with them on absolutely everything, you were being transformed into a terrorist.
You were the Jew hater.
You were Hamas.
Even worse, you had people that were being accused of being Holocaust deniers.
Unimaginable. I'm not kidding. People that were pro-Israel, unbelievably pro-Israel, were now being accused on Twitter of Holocaust denial if they questioned things that they saw on the Internet.
As just one example...
Let me actually jog your memory so I can really help you underscore how absolutely absurd it is to suggest that anybody questioning what they see on the internet is a Holocaust denier.
I'm going to take you back way back to the faraway land of literally last year when the ghost of Kiev, ooh, remember that one?
Yeah, the legend of the Ukrainian pilot who was downing Russian aircraft.
Oh my God, a hero!
Remember that video? Even the official Ukrainian government posted the video praising the pilot, which included a clip of the combat flight simulator.
The video went absolutely viral.
Who is this legend, this unidentified, anonymous Ukrainian pilot that is taking down Russian aircraft?
Let's watch that video again as shared by the official Ukrainian Twitter page
Good evening from Ukraine!
Ukraine, the capital of the Ukrainian Federation, is the capital of the Ukrainian Federation. It is the capital of
Ukraine, the capital of the Ukrainian Federation, is the capital of the Ukrainian Federation. It is the capital of
the Ukrainian Federation.
the Ukrainian Federation.
Ukraine, the capital of the Ukrainian Federation, is the capital of the Ukrainian Federation. It is the capital of
the Ukrainian Federation.
Ukraine, the capital of the Ukrainian Federation, is the capital of the Ukrainian Federation. It is the capital of
Ukraine, the capital of the Ukrainian Federation, is the capital of the Ukrainian Federation. It is the capital of
the Ukrainian Federation.
the Ukrainian Federation.
Woo! Go Ukraine!
Yes! Crush those Russians!
That was the reaction.
As I said, the video went viral.
It was shared by everybody.
Credible news sources shared it.
This was supposed to make you feel something.
Yes, cheerlead. He was doing the impossible.
My goodness. Somebody identified this man.
Who was that Ukrainian pilot?
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry to tell you.
This is my fake. The whole thing was fake.
It was just made up.
Just some Ukrainian propaganda, get you excited, make you look past the fact that you're sending billions of dollars to Ukraine, just like you were sending billions of dollars over in Afghanistan, just like we've been sending billions of dollars over in Iraq.
It just was something to make you look past the fact that, I don't know, it seems to be a money laundering operation with a lot of Western propaganda, and So yeah, you imagine if you were one of the people, whether you were left or right, who shared this video and eventually realized that you were duped.
Yeah. Now they had to fully come out and say, yeah, actually, we created this war hero to get people going.
But it was made up.
It was propaganda. And the video was fake.
In fact, they were even able to trace back some of the video to a video game.
Which makes sense, obviously.
We live in a highly technological age.
You can do anything on the internet.
I could right now give myself multiple faces if we wanted to in editing.
I could change my face entirely.
I can look like whoever I want with the help of editing.
And I can do that without an editor, by the way.
That's what Instagram is. Editing faces, doing whatever you want, creating videos, Photoshop.
What do you want to see? I can create it.
So fast forward to this year, and of course, this horrible atrocity takes place in Israel.
What immediately happens is the internet divides.
You have people that are supporting Palestine, showing you videos of Palestinian children that are dead, showing you videos of rockets that are allegedly being fired into Palestinian territory.
And then you have Israeli people.
You have people that support Israel.
You're showing you the exact same thing.
These are actual clips of rockets that are coming into Israeli territory.
This is actual video of Israeli children that are suffering.
And people going, okay, I don't know what's real because it's the Internet, obviously, and I've been duped before.
And then, if you paused and you were confused, or if you made the mistake of saying that you weren't sure if what you were seeing was real...
Well, that made you a Holocaust denier.
I'm not kidding. This is an actual tweet from Stephen Miller who said, it's Holocaust denial.
He was responding to someone who was saying how ridiculous it was that Tim Pool would dare try to figure out whether or not some of the footage and some of the pictures that were coming out were real or if AI was being used to create them.
So, Tim Pool was being accused by Stephen Miller of being a Holocaust denier.
And that wasn't all, by the way.
Even if you managed to stay above the fray and you said, okay, I'm just going to discuss
this from a foreign policy perspective, should we be getting involved?
How did this happen, by the way?
This seems to be a remarkable intelligence failure here.
Even if you did that, which I think is quite mature and, of course, necessary, you, too,
accused of being a Jew hater and Holocaust denier.
Enter in Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning Point USA, the most remarkably pro-Israel organization
that could possibly be marching across college campuses.
When I say Charlie Kirk is pro-Israel, it would be more logical to question
whether or not Charlie Kirk is in fact Jewish himself.
That is how pro-Israel he was.
And I know this because I traveled for years with Charlie.
I worked for Turning Point USA as their communications director.
In fact, I traveled with Charlie to Jerusalem for the embassy opening, but nobody cared
when Charlie Kirk went on the Patrick Bet-David podcast and he said this.
So I've been to Israel many times.
The whole country is a fortress. When I first heard this story, I still had the same gut instinct that I did initially.
I find this very hard to believe.
I've been to that Gaza border.
You cannot go 10 feet without running into a 19-year-old with an AR-15 or an automatic machine gun that is an IDF soldier.
Right? The whole country is surveilled.
And so let me just kind of go through this.
We don't talk about Israeli politics very often and most Americans don't know this.
The last nine months, Israel was on the brink of civil war.
It's not an exaggeration.
This judicial stuff, there were hundreds of thousands of Israelis taking to the streets because Bibi Netanyahu was basically redefining the Israeli constitution.
That's not an exaggeration, right?
He said the judicial branch has too much power.
There were protests planned this week against Netanyahu where they anticipated tens of thousands of people to take to the streets.
That's all gone, Patrick.
Netanyahu now has an emergency government and a mandate to lead.
I'm not willing to say to go so far that saying that Netanyahu knew or there was intelligence here, but I think some questions need to be asked.
Was there a stand-down order?
Was there a stand-down order?
Six hours? I don't believe it.
Israel's the size of New Jersey.
When I took a helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the Gaza border, it's 45 minutes.
Six hours. They're live streaming the killing of Jews.
Did somebody in the government say, stand down?
That is a legitimate, non-conspiracy question.
So Charlie asked a very impactful question.
In fact, that clip went viral for good reason.
It went viral because you have someone, as I said, who is remarkably pro-Israel, who has spent a lot of time in Israel, and who understands how small Israel is, and also how fortified it is.
When I went to Jerusalem, it was terrifying entering Israel.
As soon as you get into the airport, you have people, IDF soldiers, with guns pointed down on you as you are being questioned.
I was questioned three times and also put into a special area where I was made to answer
even more questions when I entered into Jerusalem.
It was terrifying, absolutely terrifying, right?
Just imagine that, people that are standing up with guns pointed down at every single
person that's walking into the airport.
That is your experience as you are entering Israel.
That was my experience as I entered Israel with Charlie.
In fact, the woman questioned me so much, she made me think I was lying.
I was going for the embassy opening.
I was going with President Donald Trump, right?
Wasn't traveling with him, but was going there on his invitation.
And yet I felt like I was lying because they kept being like, are you sure?
And then I started wondering, am I not sure?
Am I here for something else?
I don't know why I'm here.
That is how tight the security is.
So for Charlie to raise those questions of why it took six hours in a country
that is the size of New Jersey for there to be a response when you can't go five feet
without coming across somebody in the military, I think that's a meaningful question.
And if we were being sincere, someone would just answer the question.
Maybe Netanyahu, somebody in his government would just simply answer the question of why the response took so long.
And if you were being sincere and you are a Jewish person that is impacted, rightfully impacted with emotionality because of what happened, you would want to hear that answer.
Why were they able to live stream this for six hours?
The killing of my people for six hours.
And there was no response.
Because many of you have been to that country and you know that what Charlie Kirk is saying
is meaningful, it's true.
But no, we don't live in a place where people are genuine.
We don't live in a place where people are honest.
So instead, because Charlie asked the question, Benny McCain, Meghan McCain's husband,
accused him of being an anti-Semite.
In fact, he tweeted this.
Oh, what? What? Kirk's 2PSA work has made him a multimillionaire who owns five properties.
He's set to lead a $108 million GOTV effort in Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin.
And he's saying Israel has a stand-down order and let this attack happen.
Wow. Unbelievable that he would write that about Charlie Kirk for a score of reasons, and I'm going to allow Charlie Kirk to rebut him himself.
Charlie Kirk tweeted in response to this.
Funny. For the last four years, I've been accused of being a Jewish shill, so this is new.
At TPUSA, we sponsor 300 young people per year to visit Israel.
He provides a link, tpusa.com.
And Daily on campus, we offer pro-Israel activism supplies to hundreds of thousands of students.
We have hosted multiple Young Jewish Leadership Summits over the years with thousands of Jewish students in attendance.
Just last week, I was defending Israel against SJP activists at a campus event at UCF. He provides a link to that.
Three weeks ago, we kicked a Jew hater out of an event at ASU and did so publicly.
So he snuck back in, giving me a chance to tell him, I don't put up with Jew hatred at our events or inside the conservative movement.
Here is him attacking my quote-unquote Zionist ways.
He provides a link. We have also successfully thwarted BDS campaigns at dozens of universities.
This type of libel is poison, Ben.
You know nothing of what you speak except a two-minute video clip where I asked questions about the intel failures of the Israeli government, which were reported by Axios and others.
If stuff like this continues, Israel will lose support from a major faction of voices on the right.
Support Israel and you get called a Jew hater?
This is repugnant.
He's right. He should be ashamed.
He's also right that when you accuse people wrongly of being anti-Semitic, when real anti-Semitism creeps up, they don't want to use their platforms to support you because it's a horrible slur.
It's a horrible smear.
It's horrible to be called something that you are not.
He's right. He's absolutely right.
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But if you're keeping track here of what I'm getting at, the new conservative stance, which happened in a week, is first, believe everything that you see on the Internet.
Do not ever question the narrative.
And if you have any foreign policy or intel policy questions, you are a Holocaust denier.
That was what was happening. And what came next?
Well, kind of even more shocking.
Conservatives no longer believe in free speech.
Free speech is bad.
Enter Dave Rubin. I want to be clear.
I don't think too many people would accuse him of being a conservative.
He has largely held on to saying that he is a classical liberal.
I think later on in one of his books he said that he was now a conservative.
Not sure. Again, there's a lot of debate there.
Obviously he is a married gay man who used surrogacy to have children and people routinely debate his personal life.
But I'm shocked to see Dave Rubin tweet in support of censorship, really, the death of free speech in France.
You can see the tweets that he wrote in response to breaking.
France has just banned pro-Palestine protests.
I want to be clear.
Pro-Palestine protests have happened all over the world, and it's been going on for a very long time.
It's not new. Bela Hadid has been in pro-Palestine protests here in New York.
He's not saying pro-Hamas protests.
He's saying explicitly pro-Palestine protests.
If you are supporting Palestine on the streets, that is now banned in France during this time.
No conservative should be celebrating that ban, but Dave Rubin did.
He tweeted back, maybe the West has a chance.
I guess maybe the West has a chance if we just start banning speech that we don't agree with.
Somebody obviously then showed Dave Rubin's prior tweet, since he's completely flip-flopped on his stances.
He wrote this, Peaceful protest is now illegal in Canada.
He's referring to, obviously, the truckers and people banning the protest there.
He continued, Any ideas, Jordan Peterson?
Someone also excerpted Dave Rubin's book, where he wrote this, No exceptions ever.
Again, that is an excerpt from his book, Don't Burn This Book, Thinking for Yourself in an Age of Unreasonable.
Apparently, Dave Rubin burned his own book, and again, he is plotting the shutdown of speech in France because it's speech that he doesn't agree with.
Dave Rubin was also critical of Vivek Ramaswamy's tweets, and this is what inspired back-forth between me and Megyn Kelly.
Now, to be clear, Dave Rubin is always critical of everything Vivek Ramaswamy does ever since he got too close to Ron DeSantis in the polls.
But let's just get to what Vivek tweeted, because it was something that I fundamentally agree with.
Nothing controversial. We're good to go.
I've been as vocal as anyone in criticizing left-wing cancel culture.
See my first book, Woke Incorporated.
But it's bad no matter who practices it.
It wasn't great when people wearing Trump hats were fired from work.
It wasn't great when college graduates couldn't get hired unless they signed oppressive DEI pledges.
And it's not great now if companies refuse to hire kids who are part of student groups and once adopted the wrong view on Israel.
This isn't a legal point.
It's a cultural point. I say this as someone who vehemently disagrees with those Harvard student groups.
Those calling for blacklisting students right now are responding from a place of understandable hurt.
But I'm confident that in the fullness of time, they will agree with me on the wisdom of avoiding these cancel culture tactics.
I hope this was incredibly well said, especially the point about him being confident that in the fullness of time, people will change their minds.
Now, to give you context to what exactly he's talking about, before we get into what Megyn Kelly responded
to what he said, he's referring to a statement that went out by Harvard Palestine Solidarity groups
on the situation in Palestine.
I want to be clear, as I said, there have been pro-Palestine groups
and pro-Palestine marches across the country.
It's been going on for a very long time.
Israel versus Palestine, you guys know this, right?
So they issued this statement.
We, the undersigned student organizations, hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence.
Today's events did not occur in a vacuum for the last two decades.
Millions of Palestinians in Gaza have been forced to live in an open-air prison.
Israeli officials promised to open the gates of hell, and massacres in Gaza have already
commenced.
Palestinians in Gaza have no shelters for refuge and nowhere to escape.
In the coming days, Palestinians will be forced to bear the full brunt of Israel's violence.
Israeli violence has structured every aspect of Palestinian existence for 75 years, from
systemized land seizures to routine airstrikes, arbitrary detentions to military checkpoints,
enforced family separation to targeted killings.
Palestinians have been forced to live in a state of death Today, the Palestinian ordeal enters into uncharted territory.
The coming days will require a firm stand against colonial retaliation.
We call on the harbor community to take action to stop the ongoing annihilation of Palestinians.
Okay, so they believe that Palestinians are being genocided.
You get this. You can take this statement, really, and apply it to any college group.
Black Lives Matter, these sorts of statements that were going out all across the board, again, something that very much impacted me because black communities suffered because of the viewpoints of Black Lives Matter organizations, you know, essentially saying that all white police officers or all police officers in general were We're akin to Nazis.
We're akin to Klansmen, rather, was the things that they were saying.
And they were conducting lynchings on black Americans.
They were talking about violence, something that I adamantly disagreed with.
But at no point did I ever call for those people to be blacklisted.
And that's why I very much agree with what Vivek was saying because they are stupid.
Not only are they stupid, but they're brainwashed.
It's actually wrong to call them stupid.
They are being intentionally miseducated about everything in the classroom.
I understand that because I was one of those college kids.
All of my stances that I held in college I no longer hold.
18-year-old Candace, 19-year-old Candace, 20-year-old Candace, I was an adult, yeah,
sure.
I no longer hold those stances because then I got into the real world and I got out of
the system of college indoctrination.
We believe as conservatives that college campuses have become indoctrination camps.
So we shouldn't be shocked to discover that student groups reflect those indoctrinations.
Well, conservatives or some form of conservatives have decided now that these kids should be
put on a list and employers should be aware that they are a part of these groups so that
they can no longer get hired.
And so Megyn Kelly responds to Vivek by saying, you've got to be kidding me.
They sided with terrorists who murdered children and old women.
You're not clear on this as someone who wants to be president.
So, she's already dropping the murder and already accusing the Vake of not understanding
that people are dying because, again, that is a new political doctrine in theses.
Accuse people of constantly advocating for death rather than actually responding or trying
to understand the nuance of their point.
The Vake wrote back, Megan, I was crystal clear that what the student groups said was
dead wrong and you know that.
But I don't think it's productive to hunt down individual members of college student
groups for the purpose of blacklisting them.
Persuasion is better than force.
Let's stick to principle.
Megan wrote back, they are not persuaded that murdering babies is wrong.
There is no persuading them.
We don't hire those who do the killing, and we don't hire those who applaud the killers while the savagery is underway.
If you are open to hiring one of these lunatics, though, good to know.
Obviously, what she is saying is, oh, you just want to hire people that murder babies.
I don't know if she's referring to abortion.
I don't know what topic, but we're murdering babies.
And obviously, because he has a nuanced stance about students not being put on blacklists, he is supporting the murdering of babies.
So genuine.
Not at all.
So I jumped in this, and I said to Megan, oh, stop it.
This is incredibly disingenuous, Megan.
You know that many of those students are not out there because they want babies to be murdered.
College kids are stupid.
I used to be radically pro-choice.
Glad I didn't get put on a conservative blacklist for wanting babies murdered.
As it turned out, I was just young and temporarily brainwashed from a public school education, coupled with mainstream Hollywood lies, and not because I legitimately wanted to see infants torn from their mother's wombs.
Dr. Thomas Sowell used to be a radical socialist who ardently supported communism.
Thankfully, he wasn't put on a quote-unquote conservative blacklist and accused of being a person who wanted worldwide suffering and starvation as socialism and communism bring.
Students are young and experimenting.
You are an adult woman who is advocating for their lives to be permanently pigeonholed because they have the wrong ideas which are likely being spoon-fed to them in their classrooms.
I then said, nothing infuriated me more than watching black neighborhoods be burned to the ground in terroristic fashion during the George Floyd riots.
I would have been a disingenuous fool had I suggested that every college kid who signed a BLM letter of support be put on a list for advocating for terrorism.
They were brainwashed and it was obvious.
Rather than advocating for them to have their lives ruined, I used my platform to show them the truth.
I created a documentary to expose media lies.
Education is what conquers ignorance.
Many of my former critics are fans now, and virtually nobody is donating to the now bankrupted BLM organization.
So I thought that was a sound answer.
I, again, added nuance for her in context.
You know, obviously these kids are not doing this or signing this letter because they support violence against Israelis, but because they believe that the Israelis are enacting violence against the Palestinians.
If you believe that's wrong, you have to educate them, not punish them, not permanently ruin their lives for a position that they might not hold in two years.
They're students. Right?
They're getting information from professors, radically left professors.
We know this.
Well, shockingly, and I do say this shockingly, I have no issues with Megan.
I've featured her stuff on the show.
I think her work is really good.
I think her podcast is super interesting.
It performs really well.
Shockingly, Megyn Kelly wrote this back to me.
Being liberal is not the same as taking to the streets to cheer murdered babies and blame said murders
on the victims, but you go ahead and hire as many of them as you want, Candace.
I'm sure at Real Daily Wire will love that.
She tagged the Daily Wire.
Megan was reporting me.
Megan wants me to be fired for holding a position that we should not put students on blacklists.
This is what should be a rational, conservative debate.
This is something that you should see on backstage.
Do students belong on blacklists for their bad ideas?
That would be an interesting discussion, and I'm sure we would all have disagreements amongst
us.
I'm sure one person might say yes.
I mean, Michael Knowles says no.
Who knows?
Who knows?
But she wants to be fired.
There's no other reason that she would use at Real Daily Wire's handle unless she wanted to draw specific attention to what I had said.
I've done that before, by the way.
You've seen on this show where we uncovered a black teacher who was tweeting unbelievably racist things, talking about her hatred of white people.
And we then contacted her employer on Twitter.
You should be aware of these tweets.
So yes, when you do that, you are trying to say that somebody has said something so disgusting and so wrong so as to warrant them losing their job.
It's unbelievable to see Meghan do this, to see Meghan take part in this at all, especially as someone who quite literally has lost her job because of her sound positions, right?
Right? Megan lost her job over at, was it NBC, right, when she said something that wasn't controversial, something that I defended her in on the show, even though conservatives and Trump supporters hated her.
What she said wasn't controversial. She was talking about blackface when she was a child and people that would actually wear darker makeup on Halloween.
And then what happened, the left said, oh my God, she's a racist, and they artificially reported her, and she lost her job.
Megan is now becoming what she hates.
She's becoming what she purports to be fighting.
There was no reason to tweet at the real Daily Wire.
So I responded to her and I said, I will again restate that it is unlikely that the majority of college kids were taking to the streets to explicitly, quote unquote, cheer murdered babies.
Now, to be clear, Megan is widening this.
Now she's saying not just if you're a part of a student group, but if you join a protest, you should be able to effectively lose your entire career prospects because I'm saying that you're obviously cheering murdered babies and we know that that's not real.
I went on to say, they instead believe that they are fighting for some other righteous cause.
While misguided, they are in need of education, not blacklists.
I would also like to highlight your inherent pettiness and immaturity for tagging the Daily Wire.
And I meant that. It was petty. It was immature.
It was not going to impact my opinion.
I wasn't going to go, okay, let me get in line.
I guess, yeah, no, students belong on blacklists.
No, I don't believe that.
I don't believe that at all. Lauren Southern weighed in with something that I think is really important, so I want to read Lauren Southern's tweets here.
She is a conservative commentator, and she wrote this.
It's always been my biggest frustration watching 50-year-old mainstream media journalists canceling teenagers for stupid opinions.
Your job is to guide young people, not destroy their lives for not having it all figured out.
Young people are idiots. What's new?
The old guard got the shield of the pre-social media age for their growing pains and now get to act like saints while weaponizing the broadcast lives of the youth against them.
It's important what she said there because, first and foremost, she's right.
Think about the world before social media.
Think about the world before the technology of the smartphones, being able to instantly record someone and say, this is this person in a protest and they're supporting Palestine.
And I say that that means they murdered babies and putting it on the Internet.
They got to do dumb stuff and never have that stuff ever be revealed.
If you're a part of an older generation, that is something that you got to benefit from, and that's great.
It's good to be an idiot and to be able to grow up and to reform your opinions.
I want to allow children, I want to allow students time to shape and become human beings.
I don't reserve the same amount of compassion for adults.
I don't.
When I say adults, I'm talking about people that are in the real world.
Yes, I'm aware students are 18, 19, 20, 21, but they have never been in the real world.
They've just been in the school system all this time, telling people, being told rather
by people what their ideas should be.
And then when reality smacks them, like reality smacks me, and they get out into the real
world all of their opinions that they felt so passionate about shift.
They do. Because reality meets up with them, and that's what happens when you suddenly have bills, right?
Suddenly the idea of everything being free doesn't sound so good when you're being taxed for that free stuff.
Anyways, Lauren Southern continued.
She said this, I cannot believe the side of, Quote-unquote, the institutions are indoctrinating our
youth, end quote, seem incapable of understanding what indoctrination is.
That's exactly how I felt reading this.
Guys, we talk about this the whole time.
Universities, indoctrinating people, inspiring action.
I then said to Megan, which was so important, Megan, I am currently on a college campus
tour.
Every time I go on one of these tours, what the kids are saying completely changes.
That's how you know it's indoctrination, what they're the most passionate about changes
every couple of years, right?
This year, it is without a doubt transgenderism.
How do we arrive at a society where every child thinks that they can pick their gender?
Well, let me tell you, Megan, because they're being indoctrinated that way.
When I was enrolled full-time into school a couple of years ago to finish out my degrees, in every single class we were told to say what our genders were so that people would respect our pronouns.
This is just in every single class.
Imagine that in the course. You want to know what else, Megan?
You want to know what else happened in these courses that's really relevant?
I'm not saying it's just Megan, but to any person that believes in blacklists, for extra credit, we were told that if we showed up to a protest, if we did an extra assignment, if we signed a letter of support, that could be extra credit at the end of the semester.
I thought it was radical, and I thought it was insane to have children essentially becoming social justice warriors for extra credit in the school system.
You have a B? You want an A? What?
Well, you go to a Planned Parenthood protest, right?
If you show me that you went somewhere on the weekends to support Planned Parenthood, then you can get extra credit.
I kid you not, that actually happened in my class, University of Rhode Island, two years ago.
So imagine you're one of these kids, right?
And you join in on one of these protests because you want an A. You sign one of these stupid student support letters of a cause that you don't care about.
You don't know where Israel is. You don't know where Palestine is on a map.
You don't even know where frickin' New Jersey is on a map.
And lo and behold, you are being put on a blacklist because people like Megyn Kelly, and she's not the only one, say, oh, well, you're an adult.
You made an uh-oh for that A. And you should have thought clearly and then you should have thought rationally about what you were doing.
You're like, dude, I was high in my dorm.
I just needed a good grade.
My dad said that I'll get more money if I got straight A's as opposed to a B in this class.
Nope, doesn't matter. Nobody cares.
You're the devil forever. People shouldn't hire you.
You should have understood these issues before you signed these letters, before you went to this protest.
That's what they're talking about. You go to a protest, you join a student group that's stupid, forget it.
You're on a list that's going to impact your career forever.
And it's easy to say that when your career can't be impacted forever.
It's easy to say that when you're someone like Megyn Kelly, who, by the way, Megyn Kelly would not be able to survive her very own litmus test, even if we examined Megyn Kelly's transformations, her thought transformations, over the past couple of years.
I'll give you one soft example.
And by the way, I want to be clear.
I don't mind these transformations.
I think it's good. I think it's good when people transform their opinions, like Joe Pollack said.
I think it's good And Megyn Kelly has transformed a lot of hers.
But it's relevant to the discussion, since she thinks other people should not be afforded that, particularly students on college campuses.
She wrote this on Twitter.
I'm getting the J&J vaccine this weekend.
Have zero qualms because I have spent a life immersed in a media obsessed with fear-mongering that is often irresponsible and untrue.
Do what your doctor tells you to do and ignore everyone else.
That was Megyn, April 28, 2021.
And she's, a lot of people have that perspective.
People like me were called anti-vax.
We were told that we were killing people by not supporting the vaccine.
So people like her were considered heroic for telling people to go get the vaccine,
ignore the fear mongerers like people, like Candace Owens.
Right, ignore her, it doesn't mean anything.
You go listen to your doctor, trust the experts, and you go get the vaccine.
And Megan is someone with a platform.
So that vote of confidence meant something to people.
And if we could talk to those people who said, hey, I got the shot because Megan told me to.
Maybe they were injured.
Maybe they were injured like Megan herself was injured.
Maybe they regretted getting that shot like Megan herself regretted getting the shot, like I said, just a few years later.
Take a listen. I regret getting the vaccine, even though I'm a 52-year-old woman, because I don't think I needed it.
I think I would have been fine.
I got COVID many times, and it was well past when the vaccine was doing what it was supposed to be doing.
And then for the first time, I tested positive for an autoimmune issue at my annual physical.
And I asked, I went to the best rheumatologist in New York and I asked her, do you think this could have to do with the fact that I got the damn booster and then got COVID within three weeks?
And she said, yes.
Now, Megan isn't the only one who got an autoimmune disease from it.
I know someone in my family, as I've spoken about personally, who had their entire life impacted and their health wiped away because they went and they got the vaccine, because they listened to people like Megan and got the vaccine and ignored people, fear-mongerers like me, who said, maybe don't do that.
Maybe trust your gut.
Maybe don't trust your doctors when they're being paid.
I don't know.
Because it would be absurd to say she encouraged death.
Dead adults because of what you tweeted.
How could you tweet that? How did you tell people to do that?
Death, death, death. We're talking about literal death here, Megan.
Why would you encourage people to do something unless you had already done it?
No, because that would be disingenuous of me.
I believe that Meghan tweeted what she believed at the time and then she transformed her opinion once she gathered more intel.
And that intel told her that her own body suffered from getting the shot and then she was ready to talk about it.
And I don't think she received much condemnation for that because she shouldn't.
People should be allowed to change their mind.
Perhaps more radically though, Meghan supported the trans agenda for a while, something that I am passionately against.
And I can't say too much here on YouTube about why I'm against it, but you go look at the surgeries that are being done, what it takes to transition.
You go listen to the stories from detransitioners like Walt Heyer.
Listen to their stories about what they went through, how they are suffering because they went through with these certain decisions.
Again, I can't say too much about it, but Megan changed her mind on the trans agenda after some time.
Take a listen. I was an early proponent of using preferred pronouns as far back as the early 2000s, of saying she when I knew the truth was he.
By 2016, we were debating bills to stop trans access to certain bathrooms, which I covered from the news desk, siding with the trans community.
But I will not take this gateway drug anymore, because for far too long, I failed to see the harm and therefore helped cause it.
So that is Megan explicitly saying that she helped to cause harm.
She did. There's no question about that.
But you know what's great? Megan got the runway to change her mind.
And I now count her as an ally in that fight against transgenderism and our youth.
Glad to welcome her.
So is it really something worthy of calming a manager at the Daily Wire that I am once again taking a principled stance against something?
Something that, by the way, I think is going to age well.
Because in all of these past situations, my opinions have aged well.
I did not encourage people to go get the vaccine.
I have not encouraged people to use certain pronouns and to give in to something that
they know to be fundamentally untrue.
My opinions are aging well, and I feel confident, like Vivek said, my opinions here are going
to age well when emotions die down.
Children should not be on blacklists.
Not for supporting Trump, not for supporting BLM, not for supporting Palestine.
Children need to be educated.
If you want to go after the man, like I said to Megan, if you want to go after Harvard,
you want to say that people should stop donating to Harvard or stop donating to UPenn, go for
You're talking about adults, professors, people that are in the real world, administrators.
They know what they're doing. They know exactly what they're doing.
They know exactly who they're hiring.
They know exactly what those people's ideas are when they do it.
Go for it. We'll leave the students alone.
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It's the right move, and it's the American way.
Now, what I will say in conclusion is that for those of us who are capable of thoughts that sit outside of emotions, we are wondering the same thing.
Why does this keep happening in America?
Why do we have politicians, I should say all across the West, that keep insisting on war?
For what really, if you take a look at it, are micro-issues, right?
Ukraine, Russia.
Why was it considered so controversial to say, allow them to handle that?
We don't need to spin this into World War III. Do you really believe that Hamas has what it takes to take out Israel?
Well, because I've been to Israel and I have seen how impressive the military is.
I don't, right? And yet this is now being spun into a narrative where you have sitting senators like Lindsey Graham that are jumping up and saying, we need to go to war with Iran.
What are you talking about, Lindsey Graham?
What are you talking? What are you saying?
Shut up, Lindsey Graham.
Seriously, shut up. You are saying something that could have very severe consequences and you have done so Irresponsibly, just on mainstream news, without even calling for a foreign policy debate.
And let me tell you something.
Anytime that somebody is saying that they believe that we should be involved in foreign issues, it requires a full-throated debate.
Not emotion, not Twitter, not shared pictures.
A debate, an intellectual debate between people, understanding what the implications could be.
The implications could be, well, like Afghanistan, which is considered the graveyard of empires.
Nope. Doesn't really work out.
Every time any nation tries to have wars in Afghanistan, they always end up folding.
We're among them. Russia's among it, right?
So what are you talking about, Lindsey Graham, when you say these things without allowing us to have a debate about the implications?
What did we accomplish in Iraq?
What did we accomplish in Afghanistan?
They always say, oh, it's going to be really quick and then it's going to be over, and then it's not over.
Okay? Okay.
So telling us that we need to now get involved in Ukraine, getting involved in Israel, and saying that any person that doesn't see it that way, oh, well, oh my gosh, you're a Holocaust denier or a Jew hater.
No. We require a debate.
And let me tell you something. The perspective that we should have a debate is what it means to be America first.
I am America first. My policies haven't shifted.
My ideas have not shifted.
I've stayed the same. No matter what the issue is, my idea is that we should put the concerns of Americans first and that our leaders, call me crazy, should put the concerns of America first.
Not getting into a little cheerleading war, bring it on style with Rashida Tlaib.
Oh, Rashida Tlaib. So you have a Palestinian flag outside of your office.
Well, my name is Brian Mast and I'm going to wear an IDF uniform.
Neither of us put America first.
How's that? It sucks.
I hate it. I hate it here.
I hate that we keep doing these sorts of things.
I hate that we have leaders that won't put America first and we have political commentators that judge people that do.
So again, we ask the question, what is this about?
What is this increasing rhetoric about?
Why does it seem like they want us to get into World War III? That they are actually advocating for it.
Well, somebody that I follow, Carl Benjamin, I've actually been on his show before, wrote a very long passage onto Twitter, and it is worth every person going and consuming every word of it.
Pursue it, Carl Benjamin on Twitter.
His handle is Sargon of Akkad.
But it is worth the read, and I'm just going to jump through to the portions that make the most sense.
He starts off by basically asking that question.
Why, what is this bizarre support for everything that jumps up to the extent that you are then calling
for World War III, right?
So of course, condemning acts of terror makes sense.
Why do we then suddenly have to have a conversation about getting involved in World War III?
Why is that next step seem so necessary?
He writes, the West claims to desire a peaceful and stable world in which human rights,
quote unquote, are protected and nations may prosper as long as they respect certain rules.
The implication that underpins that legitimacy of said rule is that they are fair
and any party should be able to find adequate redress given any wrongs done to them.
When it is demonstrated that the rule of human rights is actually a fiction that is used to keep the rest
of the world quiet, then this system comes to an end.
The erosion of this system has, of course, been happening for many years now.
Various pretexts have been used many times to justify a breach of the doctrine of human rights.
And this has been grudgingly accepted because the benefits of the Western world order
have outweighed the damage done by these exercises of power disguised as moral crusades.
Now, I wanna pause there.
So essentially what he is saying is we keep doing everything
We say that we want peace.
We say that we want stability. We say that this is all because of human rights.
But then at certain points we sort of edit our takes and we change our positions, which is why I've just showed you this entire episode.
People just continually editing their positions to fit them, right?
It's not moral legitimacy.
You don't gain moral legitimacy for doing that.
You lose it. People don't trust you anymore.
If you're pro-free speech and then suddenly you're not pro-free speech, you say actually no, it's totally fine for them not to have free speech, then you're not a principled person.
And this is not going to last.
You being asserted as somebody that people should listen to is not going to last if you're a commentator.
So you widen that exact same thing and you apply it to America at large.
And what he's saying is that we have lost moral legitimacy.
The West, rather, is what he is saying, has lost moral legitimacy.
And our enemies are starting to recognize that.
They're starting to realize, hey, they say one thing and they keep doing the other.
However, he continues, Yes, this is what I have been saying, pausing again, about Russia being folded into the arms.
And why would we want Russia to be folded into the arms of China?
That's obviously what is going to happen because of what's going on with Ukraine.
Has anybody thought of this? No, no, apparently just me on this show.
Our political leaders, they just go, oh, well, We're going to keep being frauds.
We're going to sanction Russia.
Nobody can do business with them. No, they're going to find a way to do business.
They're going to find a way to survive. They're going to start looking to do deals in Asian territories.
That's what happens. Your dollar will mean nothing.
Common sense.
He goes on, the short-sightedness of this can surely not be overstated
as the plan to judo flip the various economies of the opposition to bring them to their knees
simply has not worked.
Yes, Russia is still doing business, America.
It has been decades for some of these regimes and they still persist and have been laying the groundwork
for a parallel world economy.
Needless to say, as the world's economic hagemon, the United States can't allow this to happen.
However, it seems that it is happening and it probably cannot be stopped at this point.
I think this is really why the political class is gripped with war fervor
over a tiny terrorist-run strip of land.
It isn't that there is an existential threat to Israel from Gaza,
it is that we are looking at the potential to set off a chain of events that shows the West
to not have the moral legitimacy it claims to have, which will unravel its own political alliances
and put all of its enemies into a righteous coalition against us,
whilst destroying the global economic system and throwing everything into chaos.
The West will need to fight or the Western elites will lose everything.
At this point, I think a world war is inevitable.
The West's lack of moral legitimacy is seen in its own countries.
A very large percentage of the population of almost all of them has severe doubts about the legitimacy of the governments and institutions of those countries because the fifth columns that have been allowed to proliferate within our societies have done their work of making said governments and institutions unreliable, immoral, and degraded.
I'm going to pause again. It's another very important point.
We the people don't respect our governments or believe them anymore.
January 6th, you're calling that an insurrection.
Why would we respect these?
Why would any person respect the DOJ? We don't believe in the CIA. So why on earth would people overseas not believe in the CIA? Would they believe in our moral legitimacy?
This is what he is talking about.
I'm going to continue because this is so good.
The point of the left has been to weaken us from within by sowing moral discord, and they have done a very good job.
They have, in fact, undermined our very claims to nationhood, family, and imperium.
We do not view ourselves as legitimate rulers of anything.
The major institutions of every country spend a large amount of their time attacking the majority population groups of that country.
Oh, yeah, you're all racist, you're all white supremacists, and you're all Klansmen if you support Trump.
It is well known that Western militaries have serious trouble recruiting and that we are struggling economically.
To say we are being poorly governed is an understatement and a half and everybody knows it.
There is simply no passion to fight for a civilization that appears to be in collapse, appears to hate itself, and appears to be vindictive to other states on the world stage.
Say what you will about Trump, but he actually seemed to be able to respect the nations ranged against the U.S. This goes a long way.
Now that time appears to have passed, it seems that in their desperate bid for moral legitimacy, the dominant faction of the Western elites are at once going to drive us into a war, whilst the subversive faction of elites are going to stoke the fires of civil war in our own countries while we do it.
Personally, I think we are in a position of profound weakness.
It isn't that our enemies are strong.
It is that we are vulnerable and we don't really know what we stand for or why we should do what we do.
So we will use Israel as a proxy for the expansion of our power, and this will become an intolerable nightmare for our opponents.
They will probably decide the best opportunity they will get to escape Western dominance has arrived.
It is going to be painful, bloody, and ruinous.
But if ever it could be done, now seems like the time.
I do hope I am wrong.
That's the end of it. Now, I want to be clear.
I don't agree with every single thing that he said there.
But my goodness, it was nice to read thoughts and not emotion.
To come across Twitter and to actually say, what is going on?
Because we all feel it.
They're just thrusting us into a war.
We all feel like they want war.
Like they're bloodthirsty.
They just need some legitimacy somewhere.
They need to pretend that we are moral crusaders when it is so obvious that we aren't.
We aren't.
We have lost the moral high ground, the things that we have done.
We have been outwardly racist at times.
We've outwardly have been saying that if you are a Russian, you should be kicked out of
school.
That actually happened one year ago.
Do nothing with Russians ever.
Why?
Because we're upset with Putin.
We are not principled.
That is why the West is falling, because we are not a principled people anymore.
And if we can see it, you can imagine that the whole world can see it.
As it turns out, by the way, as an update to his suspicions, China has just hosted 140 countries, asserting itself as a global leader.
Yes, that's what's happening right now.
As we squabble and we yell and we share pictures of dead babies on either side so that we can talk about what we must do morally in the world, China has been a sleeping dragon.
And it appears the dragon is finally waking up.
So what will I say? Well...
I remained principled always when it comes to conservative opinions.
I believe that we should have a right to free speech if we believe in things that are principled, that yes, the West should remain in a position of power.
People should listen to us.
But to the extent that we flip-flop at the drop of a hat that we saw over the past week, the left became the right, the right became the left, and people like me who stayed where we were the entire time became the enemy, people to be attacked, Yeah, there's no chance.
If we can't figure it out here on our own soil, if we can't figure out what it means to be principled on our own soil, we have no chance at remaining in a position of power worldwide, at least not without another made-up war.
And that's all I'm going to say about that.
Ladies and gentlemen, that is obviously all the time that we have for today.
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