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Sept. 18, 2023 - Candace Owens
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Steven Avery’s Twisted Secret REVEALED
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All right, guys.
Episodes three and four of Convicting a Murderer have premiered.
People are really upset.
Some people are—actually, I would say most people are starting to see the light.
I'm very honored to be joined by Lauren Chen today to discuss those episodes on Rewind.
And I tell you what you have to look forward with episode five, which will be premiering on Thursday.
All that coming up on Candace Owens.
All right, guys, convicting a murderer
is absolutely crushing.
I'm so excited because, first off, I'm a woman, so obviously I love true crime.
Lauren, you mentioned this when we were on The X Space, and people keep asking me this question.
I've been on a press tour for the last two weeks.
They're like, what is it with women and true crime?
I don't know the answer.
I'm like, maybe we are all secretly going to kill our husbands.
What is your answer? So I've thought about this before.
Killing your husband. Well, similarly concerned about my fascination with true crime.
And I feel like it has to do with our instinct as women to want to fix people.
So I think for some women, especially the ones who are writing murderers, they're like, oh, I can fix this person.
Like, yeah, but he's a little bit violent, but I can change him.
And then also, if you're in a relationship with a murderer, it's like you're special.
Because he would kill someone else, but he loves you so clearly.
You know, there's some like Bella Swan thing going on.
But just in general, because obviously not everyone who's involved in true crime community wants to date the murderers.
I think it's just like this morbid fascination a lot of women have that we can't get through other memes.
Like, I don't know, men, they have the UFC. There's football.
There's like some latent aggression there.
But for women, like this is it for us.
The psychology. Yes.
I'm always fascinated by the psychology, and you always want to, like, reexamine your circle.
When you hear something, you're like, how could someone I know be capable of this, even if it's not murder?
And so there's something about true crime where we're able to examine people's psychology and assess people that are around us, and maybe it's because we're supposed to make sure the home stays safe and secure.
Yeah. So we're always talking about our gut instinct.
Like, I'll say to my husband, I don't know about that person.
They make me a little uncomfortable.
And he's like, what are you talking about? I'm like, just trust me.
And he has now grown to trust me.
I have been right about certain individuals.
So I also think it's part of our intuition, a women's intuition.
And when somehow the intuition is violated and we learn that somebody did something that you thought they were not capable of, you're like...
I'm going to watch. I need to know how did this person come to this.
So jumping into Convicting a Murderer, it was great to have you on the X-Base and great to have you talking about these two episodes.
Now, can you remind me, were you thinking after you watched Making a Murderer on Netflix whether Stephen Avery was guilty or whether he was innocent?
So when I first saw the series, I think like most people, I thought it was just a really well-done piece of cinema.
It was captivating. It was interesting.
And I was fully on board with Stephen Avery.
Like, how could they let this happen?
The corruption, it's just so obvious.
It doesn't even make sense. I think at the time it was Scott Walker who was governor.
I was like, Scott Walker, you need to pardon this person now.
But I think it was several years after when I first started to question things, it was actually because Stephen Avery's ex-fiance was being interviewed.
Mm-hmm. We're good to go.
The crimes are increasing in nature.
Dating back to someone's juvie days, you would have my full support if you said, okay, just
because somebody broke in and entered in someone's home and stole some stuff, doesn't necessarily
mean they're going to kill and rape someone.
That would be a ridiculous leap.
But what instantly goes on in my mind in psychology is, how do they treat women?
What has been their treatment of women over the years?
And exploring that was super crucial.
So in the past episode, we talked about him running his cousin Sandra off the road.
This shows me that you have violence within you, that you can get to a point of anger.
Again, we don't know what would have done because thankfully she had a toddler in the
car and I think that messed with him and he allowed her to drop off the toddler and fortunately
was in prison for that incident.
But yes, we do unpack now.
We're kind of getting into more sexually deviant things when we hear from his niece.
And Marie talks about her correspondences with her uncles.
So let's just jump in and show a clip for people that maybe have not seen this, have not made it yet to episode three.
Again, these are available on Daily Wire+.
I don't know how you're missing it.
It's fascinating. Let's take a look.
When Stephen was exonerated, Stephen and Marie just started hanging out together.
This was before he met Jody, and the way Stephen described it was very innocent.
It seemed like he was just being a good uncle.
So you can just kind of imagine what the dynamics of that relationship would look like.
A 17-year-old young girl with a 43-year-old man.
What do you think you're looking at?
We went on part of this heavy weekend, you know, fishing, ice fishing, and all of that.
They went up north a couple times, what I didn't think was really a big deal.
Well then, my youngest daughter, Brittany, come down with some pictures of Marie.
And there were pictures of Stephen pouring alcohol down her throat and writing on her chest, Stephen.
Brittany or Markayla found them in Marie's room.
I heard she burned them.
She threw them away. Who did?
Tell me. No.
I burned them. How would you burn them?
I got them. Marie got them.
Oh, yeah? Yeah. Oh.
The order was not really wrong with them anyway.
I know I've seen one or two of them with her, with her laner, with her sport bra or whatever on and magic marker all over her.
Some of the pictures were, her arms were pinned behind her head.
And I asked her about it and she says, we're just horsing around.
I said, Marie, come on. This is not horsing around.
Okay, so Stephen Avery says there was nothing wrong with the pictures, but he did take the effort to burn them.
As you often do when they're just totally innocent and not incriminating photos of you out there.
I also like to take the extra step and burn them.
Not just hide them, but also burn them.
It kind of lets you into what really the people that still stand behind Stephen Avery.
This is how they think and they process.
It's constantly an excuse.
They would believe when he says, oh, there's something wrong with them.
I just burned them just in case.
And it's very difficult for me to understand how they go through this process in their mind.
You're a mother to a young daughter.
I'm a mother to a young daughter.
When you're hearing this story or even trying to process somebody that's in their 40s, hanging out with a 17-year-old girl, plying her with alcohol, writing on her chest, how do you respond to that?
Well, here's the thing. I was so excited when I found out you were doing this series because Love True Crime, really interested in this case.
And I was so hooked after I saw the trailer that I actually tried to get screeners from your producer.
So I'm excited for this.
Yet, when I started watching episode three, I was so disturbed I had trouble finishing it.
This thing that I'd been waiting, like, weeks to see.
When confronted with what was happening between him and his niece, I'm like, okay, I can't even, I don't even want to think about this.
It's actually upsetting for me to even hear about this.
So the idea that you can just minimize, like, oh, yeah, so what, they were, like, horsing around by pinning your niece, like, arms behind, like, writing on her, like, bra exposed.
No, you can't just minimize everything.
The way that his supporters are reacting reminds me of how the documentary tried to minimize the fact that he burned a cat alive.
It's like, no, this is unexcusable behavior, and you, for some reason, liking this person, or thinking of them as a good guy who just done wrong, like, no, that can't be your answer to everything, even when confronted with this evidence.
I was really struck, especially, and I felt the exact same way.
It was the first time in my entire career that I felt it necessary to give people a trigger warning.
Right. Because I was triggered listening to it.
And obviously, we got to make decisions what we wanted to cut and what we wanted to include.
And because we have seen everything, and we've heard all of these prison phone calls, and I understand that this family is thick as thieves, I'm actually...
I have questions here. We know that the family saw the photos.
How did they get back into Steven's hands so that he could burn them?
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Right? But when I heard...
When I heard his niece Marie actually speak as she's speaking to the police officer and describing what happens next, it's very difficult to listen to.
So I am going to say, trigger warning, viewer discretion advised.
This is another piece of a documentary, and we can hear from Marie herself describing her relationship with her uncle.
Take a listen. I was like, I don't want to go in the police room.
I don't know. What do you think?
That's not that easy, dude.
Yes. I don't know, he was pushing on and then he helped my arms out.
What time did you push it on?
It was a little something.
What do you mean? Yeah.
She's forced her on the bed and had me in the course.
What are you telling him?
I told him to stop because he doesn't belong in this and he was just in prison for that and he didn't do it.
So why would he...
Did that become a man?
Sort of. He just laughed.
I was like, it's not funny.
I kept on telling him no, and you're just ready.
I was trying to get up the hallway, he was in front of my leg, with the nobles.
Can you please describe what happened?
First he just put his hand on my hand and like touched my head.
I like dropped my arm and pulled his hand open underneath it.
Then he just...
and then he just went back out.
Very difficult to listen to.
I'm really struck by the fact that when Steven communicates this It doesn't even sound like it's an accusation.
He's kind of just speaking to his mother, Dolores, and she says that I forced myself on top of her.
His mother just says, hmm.
It's a weird response. It is a weird response.
And obviously, focus here should be on Steve and Avery, but you mentioned as a mother...
In the back of my head, I'm watching this, and I'm also wondering, what kind of family still allows this person near their children and the underage members of the family?
That I also couldn't figure out, because I feel like, okay, yeah, he's your brother, whatever, but it doesn't matter.
If he's actually doing these things, why are you not...
So I don't...
I think the mother probably is used to those types of accusations.
And this is something that you'll see more and more, and we'll get into later episodes, that this is a family that was thicker than thieves.
It seems like this is just...
This is something that they allowed, that this was something that we talked about sharing wives, and Candy kind of tells a story of this is what was just allowed in this family.
And it gets worse.
And so I'm going to offer a teaser here about if you're still somehow defending this and somehow able to warp your brain to say, okay, it's not even like the cops are in on trying to take down Stephen Avery.
Also, his entire family telling stories down to a 17-year-old girl who came forward and talked about her own rape and how uncomfortable she was, and you hear her crying in this— Just be on standby, guys, because once we get to episode 9, we're going to drop a bomb that is so crazy that if you are still a part of the community that is saying that this man doesn't have a capacity for evil or could not have possibly done these things to Teresa Hall back, you belong in a loony bin, in my view.
Honestly, I think by the end of going through everything that he's done, I said, I get that Netflix was good at spinning the narrative, but once we start unpacking everything he's done, if you're still standing by this man, something's not right with you.
And there's a real hypocrisy there, because people like to say, well, he doesn't have the capacity for evil like this.
But also, simultaneously, why are you talking about his past?
That's not relevant. It's like, well, you can't have it both ways.
Either we can do an overall character examination, or we can just say, like, oh, let's just stick to the facts here.
But saying, trying to defend him, like, oh, where would this come from?
Well, actually, you can see there's a distinct escalation there.
Of his violence, which if you like true crime, you'll know it's very rare that someone's first crime is a brutal rape and murder.
It doesn't really happen like that.
And even in the documentary, looking back, I now realize they don't spend a lot of time talking about what happened to Teresa.
They just say the murder of Teresa Hallback, the murder of Teresa Hallback.
She wasn't just murdered.
She was raped and she was tortured.
And I think there's a reason why they don't spend a lot of time talking about that.
Doubly raped, shot, stabbed, burned.
I mean, these are the characteristics of someone who has to have at least some examination.
If you look into their past, if you examine their past, you have to be able to see a pattern
here.
And this is what we're trying to establish.
People that are saying, well, some of this stuff wasn't allowed into the courtroom.
We are not the courtroom.
Neither were the documentary makers, right?
So they had access to all of this stuff and chose to omit it for what reason?
They are not his defense attorneys.
But as we learned further on documentary, they did see themselves as sorts of defenders
against Stephen Avery.
By the way, I want to mention this.
This is insane.
I never thought this would happen, but obviously documentary has been so successful and we
are of course getting a pushback from a now dwindling community of Stephen Avery supporters.
Look at this person.
So just so you guys know, you haven't seen this yet in the series.
Stephen Avery has a committed fan base and he speaks to his fans.
You know, they have the host calls with Stephen Avery and he's thanking them and he's telling
them what to do.
He's got people that want to marry him in prison.
He's had multiple fiances.
We'll unpack the fandom of Stephen Avery.
Hard to imagine after episode three and listening to the stuff that any person would post this,
but Stephen Avery's group on Facebook wrote at everyone important, Stephen Avery is asking
for all of his supporters to flood Rotten Tomatoes and give convicting a murderer a
This garbage and vitriol is not true, and we need our community to step up and let Candace Owens know that Stephen Avery is innocent.
And then our reviews started to tank on Rotten Tomatoes, this person writing utter nonsense, pathetic waste of time.
This thing was meant to be truthful, but it was full of lies.
It is unwatchable because I have to watch it because I want to see the other side.
It's just character assassination.
They're calling what I just showed you character assassination.
You're hearing from Kayla herself about what happened.
You are hearing from Jodi You're hearing from all these women, how am I assassinating his character?
Is it plausible to these individuals that this just could be his character?
No. And so when I see this, I'm also interested in this psychology.
And I think this is because when people have invested so many Years of their lives in a lie.
And I talk about my own political journey.
It does take a level of humility to admit that you are wrong.
I think it's largely embarrassing.
They've probably written furious posts to relatives saying that this man is innocent.
And so in many ways, they themselves feel threatened by the plausibility that they've gotten this wrong.
And they have been defending a rapist and a murderer with In sincerity, you know?
They're too invested in it, essentially.
And to admit that they were wrong means that, A, maybe they're not as smart as they thought they were, but also that they potentially would have wasted a lot of hours dedicated to a cause that just doesn't make sense.
And I appreciate that your documentary looks into the psychology and the experiences of the people who were moved by this documentary because it's one of the best things about humanity is that we can be rallied for a cause, but it's also simultaneously a weakness that When that's exploited.
And I think, you know, people have been asking with this series you've done, why does it matter?
Like, this is old case.
He's in jail now. But it's like, well, there are so a lot of people who care about the criminal justice system and this is where they're putting their efforts in versus something that could actually be productive.
So for no other reason than that, this is a story that needs to be told so those people can redirect their efforts.
They can be freed from the assumption that this is an individual who's worth their time.
Absolutely. And speaking of redirecting your efforts, guys, head to Rotten Tomatoes and beat the Stephen Avery crew on what they're doing.
It's really despicable and disgusting.
I'm literally just presenting truth and factual testimony that is coming from people that have been involved in his life.
I mean, you're hearing that that's Marie speaking to a police officer.
So it's totally bonkers if these people are on a quest for truth, that they would stand by this.
And I actually kind of thought this is amazing.
I didn't think that Stephen Avery was still...
Swinging this sort of power from prison, but apparently he is.
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I want to move on to talk about Episode 4.
So we premiered Episode 4.
We are going to give you guys a little teaser for Episode 5.
You know, this kind of gets more into people telling you exactly, first leading up to the day that Teresa went missing, what a possible motive, first and foremost, could have been for this.
And it's so relevant for Jody to say that after he served that time in prison for something that he did not do— The sexual assault and attempted murder of another woman.
And he was wrongly pointed out in a lineup that he felt that all bitches owed him.
So it kind of gives you this insight into psychology.
Again, she's alleging this.
We have no proof of that. That's not on record.
But you can hear his family start to talk about his attitude, this sort of celebrity attitude when he came out of prison, which made sense.
You know, somebody's wronged you.
Who's going to pay for this? Who's going to pay for this?
Now he's like a hometown celebrity.
He's a family celebrity.
He beat, you know, he obviously had something that he was I think it's also important to talk about the way that that made him believe he was untouchable.
There are defenders who will say, well, why would he do this?
He had that lawsuit going on, which was looking very good for him.
He's weeks away from becoming perhaps a multimillionaire.
Why would he risk it all?
Well, I think this is someone who honestly thought the rules didn't apply to him anymore because of what he went through.
I think he's someone who thought that it would be so outrageous if he were to try it again that he almost had a carte blanche.
And I think that combined with his clear tendency toward sexual violence, it's almost a perfect storm for someone like Theresa Halbach.
Right. It's double jeopardy.
Right? You guys already showed you that I didn't do this once.
How dare you accuse me of doing this a second time?
It's almost laughable. Yeah.
It's so ridiculous. It's so absurd.
Why would I do this? You just did this to me and now you're saying I did this again.
And so he definitely thought that he knew he had an angle here to convince people that it wasn't plausible that he did this.
I want to go over some of these facts because they're so important for people that are watching the series to To unpack, first and foremost, Teresa Hallback, this young 22-year-old woman with a whole life ahead of her, turned Stephen Avery down.
I do not know that Stephen Avery accepts being turned down by women in general.
We already unpacked his letters from prison, the awful things that he wrote to his wife.
He actually said that he was going to kill their mommy to his children in cards, in holiday
cards that were sent.
So he has this capacity for evil.
But regarding this day and Teresa and Stephen's relationship, we had already established that
Teresa had turned him down, that she was uncomfortable around him.
We know that Stephen met Teresa for the first time in June of 2005 for their first appointment.
As soon as Jodi went to jail on August 15th, Stephen scheduled three appointments within
one month with Teresa, and an additional two appointments prior to her October 31st appointment,
which is the one where she went missing, where Teresa went missing on Halloween day.
Stephen called Teresa directly on the prior appointment, but on this final appointment
on the day that she went missing, he decided to set it up through AutoTrader, and he also
used his sister's name, B. Janda.
The receptionist testified that she couldn't understand him and she only heard B. Janda.
That's Barb Janda, his sister.
Why would he do that?
He had never given his sister's phone number before to the AutoTrader.
That's the magazine for taking the photos.
Although he had sold another vehicle for her previously.
So it's completely out of character.
He's using his sister's name.
He's giving his sister's phone number for a vehicle.
And he particularly requests the same photographer, the one that felt uncomfortable around him,
being Teresa Hallback, who had been out there before.
He also gave Barb's address, not his own address, even though he was going to be the person
handling the appointment, and the van was parked between the two residences.
And I think probably most importantly, as we took a look at Making a Murderer, where
they showed you a message that Teresa Hallback left, and the idea was, well, she knew she
was going to the Avery Salvage Yard.
Well, now we know that they edited, deceptively edited that by chopping off the end, where Teresa Hallback said on that message that she did not know where she was going and she needed to be called back with the address.
Also, some things that were unusual on that day.
Stephen took off work at 11 a.m., We're good to go.
Then suddenly there's no phone activity between Teresa or Stephen for two hours after Stephen says that Teresa had arrived.
And then afterwards, he calls Teresa, doesn't use star 6-7, and says, It kind of puts in place this alibi of saying to Teresa that he needs her to come back and take a photo of a loader that he wants to sell after he says that Teresa left.
That feels like an alibi.
Suddenly you're calling her blocked all day.
She has no idea where she's going.
And then you call her not blocked and you leave a message.
Oh, I need you to come back and I need you to leave a loader because you want people to think that she safely left your property in the event that all of this falls apart.
How could these facts not make people go, hmm, a little bit interesting?
Well, I think the way that the Netflix documentary presents this, and I remember because this was something that stood out to me too, is that, yeah, Teresa Halbach, she was a little bit uncomfortable around Stephen Avery because one time he answered the door in a towel.
And you think like, oh, I understand her being uncomfortable, but that's not such a bad thing, right?
I mean, does that really mean he would want to rape and murder her?
And I think a lot of people who are familiar with Stephen Avery now, they're still operating under the assumption that, like, hey, you're just a guy.
You're trying to sell a car. The photographer goes missing.
But really, just because you're the last person who saw that, like, they're trying, I mean, even then, only that's pretty good reason to suspect someone.
But they just, the documentary does not talk about all the ways you've just described that it seems like he's actually trying to lure her out there.
Mm-hmm. Get her to the salvage yard with her not knowing who he is because he apparently made her so uncomfortable she wouldn't even want to go if she knew she was meeting him.
It sounds, I mean, this is just a speculation on my part, that it was probably more than him just answering the door in a towel for her to be that weary.
You can tell. I mean, he's like down to his...
You know, just has a towel around him covering his parts.
He's probably looking at her in a way that makes her uncomfortable.
She had communicated to her friend how uncomfortable she was.
She had communicated like, you know, this guy makes me uncomfortable.
Again, going back to women having an intuition.
Something's not right here, and he doesn't feel good about that because he's—I'm Stephen Avery.
Well, he's on the phone.
And you hear him saying that he can get it from any woman.
He thinks any woman is just on the table for him.
He was calling his, what, his ex-fiancés or was it wife, like, by her genitals.
So this is someone who clearly, I think, has the capacity to make someone uncomfortable.
And I feel bad that Teresa Haubach, she probably maybe had those intuitions that day, but was
assured by the fact that, oh, well, it's not for him.
You know, yeah, maybe I'm going out there, but it's for a different person because of
Right, and because in the past he had called her directly.
And so she's going, this is coming from Autotrader.
It says B. Janda. I don't know where I'm going to say, but I'm not thinking that I'm going to see him.
And obviously she was going to see him.
And it's just so sad to hear that in the reverse.
So many things that could have been done differently on this day had she had just been aware.
I just don't see how anybody can justify him calling her blocked.
It doesn't make sense. Why would you call her blocked?
If she's coming to take the photos and you guys don't have...
It's totally fine. And you have her number.
You have her number. Just call her up like you've done in the past and have her come back.
And it's also telling that Jodi at this time was in prison.
Jodi has a long history of herself, which obviously we talked about in the documentary, of drinking issues.
And Jodi's in prison, so he's not with his usual person.
And he just seemed like someone who had a lot of just pent up sexual deviations all
throughout his career.
So it's really interesting.
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Guys, what I want to do now is play for you a teaser for episode 5.
Everything that you guys keep saying, why aren't you talking about this?
We're going to get to everything, obviously.
We're not leaving anything on the table. We're going to get to Brendan Dassey.
It's going to be in later episodes.
But first, we have to get to this $36 million narrative, you guys.
Take a listen. Coming up on Convicting a Murderer.
Well, you think that the Sheriff's Department is framing you because of the lawsuit, right?
That's what I think. Okay.
Okay. James Lank, Andy Colburn.
They were involved in the old case, and here they are again in this new case.
Stephen Avery was released from prison after being wrongfully convicted.
Avery's attorneys say those hardships are worth $36 million.
Why were Manitowoc officers involved when there was a $36 million pending lawsuit against them?
Lank and Colburn were villains, the main ones accused of planting evidence.
Were you asked to perform a thorough trial?
Search of this piece of furniture.
Yes. Suddenly, I hear Lieutenant Link say, there's a key on the floor.
I knew the significance of that and I said, you guys just f**ked up my case.
So I think we can say if there's one thing that they were successful at making a murderer,
it was this $36 million narrative.
Pushing this $36 million narrative to people who didn't understand fully the aspects of
the case and what was going on.
And I had Brandon Tatum on the show talk about this and he was like, I can't wait to get to this part because this is the part I'm sold on.
Like he's like, I'm like, and he's a former police officer and he's like, I was going, they're doing this wrong.
Like what's going on? He's got this pending lawsuit.
This could have been separate. Did you feel the same way?
Oh, absolutely. And I have, I mean, I have a tendency to distrust authority, which makes me unpopular with some conservatives because I'm not always as gung-ho like, you know, back the blue just because I'm like, oh, well, I mean, we saw what happened during COVID. So this especially, I think, caused a lot of moral outrage because it's not just that it's someone who's being wrongfully convicted, but it's almost like the system is having a vendetta against someone and it's weaponizing the criminal justice system.
So absolutely, I can't wait to see the episode.
Yeah, I think for me, because I had to go back and watch episodes, the first questions that I said, perhaps in defense of police officers, is just, you know, once DNA evidence became available and they let him out of prison, I mean, why let him out of prison?
Why not just try to deal with something there and not release this or do something, you know what I mean?
So there were other ways that they could have dealt with this.
This just required a lot of moving parts to get, you know, the family on board and other
people on board to tell certain stories.
Was the suggestion here that they killed Teresa so that they could put him back in?
Were they really willing to risk killing a woman?
Or is the idea here they planted the evidence there after they killed a woman or someone
else killed a woman?
So I get it.
But then also when you really think of all of the hoops they would have had to jump through
for $36 million, you go, OK.
And also, how strong was his case against the state, given the fact that the person who survived the actual attempted murder pointed him in a lineup?
Are we suggesting that the police told him to point him in a lineup?
So many questions that I have.
We're going to get to all of it, and I think people are going to be very surprised to learn the real aspects of this case.
I obviously am trying not to say too much right now, but it will be premiering you guys on Thursday on Daily Wire+.
Again, if you are not yet watching this series, What are you doing with your life right now?
If you're a woman and not watching this, what are you doing?
This is what we do. This is our duty.
We must understand the psychology of everybody behind us.
Very quickly, Lauren, looking into even further episodes, your viewpoint on Brendan Dassey.
So Brendan was another one of those moving pieces that also I think was just so effective at getting people outraged because he's someone who is clearly mentally challenged and they just have that footage of him being questioned by those officers.
There's no lawyer there and there's no parents there.
So I think right off the bat, so many people are like, what is going on?
And he just doesn't really seem like somebody who should be in that situation.
And so that's probably one of the most egregious things that people are upset about, even more so than I think Stephen Avery, because Brandon is so young.
And he is someone who I think...
Regardless of what you think about the case overall, his background is more sympathetic than Stevens, like, by a mile.
I absolutely agree with that. I hold that assessment.
His background is, without question, more sympathetic than Stevens.
He is young. It pulls at our heartstrings anyways, just thinking of a 16-year-old kid getting messed up in anything, that that's this insane...
And obviously he had his whole life ahead of him and now his life is completely over.
Can't wait to expose all that to you guys.
Thank you so much for watching.
I again am going to tell you to go to RottenTomatoes.com and defeat the crazy Stephen Avery supporters because they are crazy now.
I'm sorry, but I was going to give you guys until episode four to not just be a crazy person.
I'm sorry, after listening to so much of this, also including, we didn't even mention his daughter and the hickeys on his daughter's neck, his actual biological daughter, those allegations as well.
I just can't imagine how any person can be so firm standing behind him that you're willing to go and And just instantly say, bad review for convicting a murderer.
Maybe they haven't watched it. I don't think they've watched it.
I think they're so convicted, it's almost like in a cult.
You can't actually engage with things that challenge you.
You just have to dismiss it. Otherwise, they'd be saying why what you're saying is false.
But they just say, no.
No, it's not true. I won't look outside of the cult.
All right, you guys. We are breaking that cult.
Be sure to again, check it out on Daily Wire+.
And we will see you guys tomorrow.
We'll bring back the regular podcast.
I'm sure you guys are wondering where I've been for the last two weeks.
I've been on a crazy tour. And I have some more stuff to tell you.
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