Chrissy Teigen’s surrogacy—naming her surrogate child Alexandra and framing it as a financial transaction—sparked debate with Candace Owens and Brett Cooper, who dismiss it as "demonic" and akin to prostitution, citing cases like Kylie Jenner, Kim Kardashian, and Naomi Campbell (54) exploiting surrogates for wealth. Owens argues science can’t replicate biology’s bonds, pointing to Lance Bass’s twins rejecting him for two years, while Cooper highlights predatory ads targeting young women during college. They link surrogacy to embryo selection, "playing God," and societal narcissism, framing it as a violation of natural law despite backlash, while also promoting gold and VPNs for privacy. [Automatically generated summary]
This is, like, very disgusting for me to listen to.
And then I got it, and now I'm hugging and kissing her, and I named the baby after the surrogate, so it's totally fine that this woman carried my child for me because I could afford it.
No. Unless it's for like religious reasons or that kind of thing.
It's like I'm an anomaly for sure.
I think my mom did a really good job though because I remember once I was on my way to a party at UCLA, some sorority party.
Or frat party. And I had just had a really, really hard conversation with my dad.
Like, we had had some blowout fight.
And I've been very open about the fact that, you know, my dad and I have had, like, a tumultuous relationship, to say the least.
And I called my mom. And I was so upset about it.
I was, like, getting ready for this party.
And I was like, I can't believe. Like, I'm so upset.
And, like, he made me feel this way.
And then I said this. And just all of this rage.
And she looked at me.
Well, not looked at me. We were on the phone. But she, like, very pointedly said, do not drink tonight.
Because she said, you cannot connect these feelings of Anger and guilt and sadness and loneliness with then going and getting drunk at a party.
She said it's so important that you disconnect that.
And so in addition to all of the social pressures and wanting to make sure that I wasn't deluding myself in public and making sure I didn't do anything stupid while losing control, another thing that was very important to me was that You know, as work gets crazier, as life gets crazier, things are harder and that sort of thing.
I never wanted that to be a crutch that I fall on, especially because I know that during my childhood I had a lot of stuff going on and my mom was so pointed about that.
She was like, I know you're, you know, you're 19 years old, you're at UCLA, you're, you know, in your first year at a sorority, don't you dare do that because that's a terrible pattern.
And her saying that has been in my head literally for years and I think it finally got to the point where now I was legally 21, I was legally going out and, you know, Drinking, but I also have this job and this show.
I just cannot deal with that feeling like I've been an idiot or I've done something bad or wondering if I remember everything or how I represented myself, which you spoke to on my show.
So I think that that is probably the most consistent thing that I just said, I'm never going to feel this way ever again, which is like, I hate anxiety.
Okay. So... I was thinking that we should talk about Alex Earle.
So Alex Earle, you don't know about her, but she is the TikTok it girl.
So she's blonde. She's really cute.
She is kind of the antithesis of the Kardashians in a way who have always been, I would say, just like the A-list Hollywood celebrities.
Who have been so closed off.
Like, I've never gotten any work done.
I look like this. I've never gotten work done.
Kind of keeping everything closed off, revealing what they want to.
She is, like, in front of her camera, like, it's the one-year anniversary of my boob job.
Okay. So excited. Like, she's brutally honest with every single part of her life.
And part of that is endearing.
Like, I will say it's cool to see somebody that is 100% authentic at all times, even though it's authenticity about something that is obviously very fake.
But she just graduated from the University of Miami and She kind of grew from this influencer TikTok creator to now she is like an A-list celebrity.
Wow. She's, you know, dating Sofia Coppola's ex-boyfriend, which is a whole drama that's going on on Instagram right now because Sofia is upset that he's dating.
It's a whole thing. Anyway, she is now...
In a list, everything.
And she still lives in Miami, but she is drunk constantly.
Speaking of drinking, her personality, her brand was kind of created around her partying.
And like, I was so drunk and I did this crazy thing.
And oh my God, it's just, and I watched those videos.
And again, I understand that people like the fact that she's real, but that what she's being real about is so unhealthy.
And I look at that, it's just like sad that that is what women on TikTok are looking up to.
No, it's crazy. There is this media element of it where they're trying to decide what is relatable at every moment, right?
So right now it's like transgender stuff.
They're trying to make that relatable.
And so they kind of focus on this issue.
And I feel like over the last 10 years, there's been this increasing, or I would say almost even more, just maybe a little more than 10 years, they kind of made a shift and decided that, like, Being an alcoholic is relatable.
Like, everybody's just going home and getting drunk and flung all over themselves.
It's so funny when you wake up and you don't remember anything.
And that stuff is super attractive to people that are young, which is why I think it's super cool that people are speaking out about not drinking.
And you shared with me that Gen Z is actually a generation that...
Which is wild to me. Yeah, because they're realizing actually, like, it may have worked for her and this may have tripped her into fame and it worked temporarily for Chrissy Teigen, who, by the way, should be a cautionary tale.
And then she kind of came out into that she had a drinking problem, which is exactly where Alex Clark could land.
It actually ended up being this thing where I'm sure when she wrote those awful messages to the girls telling them to kill themselves, she wasn't sober.
Yeah. No. But what happens when you have that feedback loop where people are saying to you, you're amazing.
I was like, oh my god, you're so funny.
We're going to award you with followers like I did to Chrissy Teigen and all this stuff.
You actually can't assess who you are as a person in a reasonable manner and actually say, actually, no, this is really bad.
I just ordered food for 40 people and now I'm throwing it all up.
You can't wake up when everybody's Yes.
So hopefully if she's got any talents other than being drunk, she wakes up to the fact because that stuff works when you're young.
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Do you want to talk about that? Yes, this is really pressing me out.
That post is wild. So I have been covering on my show the topic of IVF and surrogacy because it's taken a very dark turn.
Yes. And people don't want to talk about that because we want to believe in surrogacy In the fluffy ideal of a couple that has been struggling with fertility for 10 years, they finally break.
We have the scientific breakthrough.
And that is a circumstance for a minority of people, where it's, you know, we finally can turn to science to give us that one child that we always hoped for.
I know one girl that literally tried to get pregnant for 10 years, you know, 10 years.
So some backstory is that they were trying to have a third child.
She got pregnant and she had a...
Which also created this whole controversy where she said that it was an abortion.
She actually had a miscarriage, but she called it an abortion, I think, just for clout.
It was very weird. So she had had a very, very traumatic pregnancy.
Knew that she wanted more kids, but didn't think that she would be able to carry more kids.
But she and John decided to try one more time and see if it would work.
So she did get pregnant. But she had already found this great surrogate and had the idea to have two more.
So she had the surrogate carry this fourth child while she was pregnant with a third.
So she knew that she could get pregnant again, but it wasn't twins and I really wanted twins.
So she artificially created twins.
Okay, anyway, here is the post.
For as long as I can remember, I've always wanted four children.
As a little girl, two glow worms and two cabbage patch dolls were perpetually in my arms.
Me, me, me, me, me.
Oh, wow.
Twins, kind of. Both a baby boy and a girl.
At some point early in our surrogacy journey, I came out of a therapy session, walked downstairs, and said to John, I want to try to carry it one more time.
If it doesn't work, we'll be okay.
We've already seen the worst. I feel like that's the one moment that she's being honest.
She obviously is going to therapy to try to figure out whether they want to do this, whatever they're working on.
That was the only moment of authenticity where it was like, maybe this doesn't feel right.
Let me try one more time.
And then she says, I promise I would be okay no matter what happened.
I remember saying, I just couldn't go on wondering my whole life if I should have tried again.
So they restarted the IVF process, the same process that gave us their beautiful Luna and Miles.
We made new embryos. We did my transfer and we were so happy to learn that it worked.
We were pregnant again with our little girl, Esty.
And then at the same time, they met the most incredible, loving, compassionate surrogate, Alexandra.
I knew that she was a perfect match for us the moment we spoke to her.
This is, like, very disgusting for me to listen to because I just don't think people understand the facts about surrogacy.
That, at the end of the day, science is not able to trump biology.
The amount of, first off, miscarriages that surrogates go through.
The idea that they are doing this not because they're thinking, I want to give Chrissy Teigen a child.
She didn't know who she was going to be matched to.
She wanted the money. Okay?
So there is an element of this that is, when I saw this piece written by actually a far-left liberal feminist who was talking about the fact that this is and will forever be a form of slavery, like sex slavery.
And it's because the women need the money.
They're willing to give their bias for a transaction.
This is no different than prostitution, except this prostitution doesn't last one night.
It lasts for 10 months, okay?
And people didn't like that when I said that on my show and I said, you are watching this.
This isn't the case of the person who goes to their sister who's able to have children or a person who can't have children.
They're actually saying, I want this.
Gay men. Yeah. Right?
They are wealthy gay men are the people that are signing up for this the most.
People to judge. Yeah, because...
Exactly. Because they're saying, well, I just don't want to have sex with a woman.
Think about these vain things. Christy is basically saying, from the time I was a little girl, I always wanted four children.
Yeah. Want, want, want. Me, me, me.
Yeah. She's not thinking about the surrogate.
She's thinking, I have a wealthy husband.
It's not real life. And I can afford it.
Kim Kardashian. Yeah. Granted, she had two tough pregnancies, but she had two successful pregnancies.
She had two children, right?
She had a girl and she had a little boy, just like Chrissy Teigen did.
And then she said, I want more.
So she then went because she could afford it and she had surrogacy.
Khloe Kardashian didn't want to have sex with her ex-husband.
These are not examples of people that should be allowed to have a surrogate because you want, want, want, and you can afford it.
Right? And it's just, these are the same people that you will hear piloting all of the concerns about women and women's issues, and they don't think about that.
They don't think about what the surrogate goes through.
The process, because I have children, you don't understand what women go through in birth and in labor.
The concept of giving birth to a child and then having that child removed from my arms...
To then be given to a Khloe Kardashian that's waiting in the waiting room or a Pete Buttigieg, there's something about that that is demonic.
unidentified
It is demonic. Emotionally, but also physically, biologically.
They know your voice. And that is why I didn't want to denigrate Khloe Kardashian for being honest about and raw and honest about it because people needed to hear that.
Nobody else is doing it. Nobody ever tells you about this.
Yeah. They all make it glamorous. Christine is making it glamorous.
I always wanted me, me, me.
And then I got it.
And now I'm hugging and kissing her.
And I named the baby after the surrogate.
So it's totally fine that this woman carried my child for me because I could afford it.
That's the only reason that girl did that.
The girl who didn't dream of growing up and giving Christine a child?
Alexandra. So for whatever circumstance, it's probably a ton of money that was offered that you can make in 10 months.
And so that dynamic in that article that I read that they were describing, she said...
Surrogacy, for me, when we've established equality, is when rich women are carrying the children of poor.
Yeah. Right? You're never going to see that.
No, never. Because this is being driven by financial incentives.
Yeah. So do not believe this.
We want to give them a gift. Does that circumstance exist?
Yes. I've seen them. I've read about them.
Yes, it's very rare. It's extremely where I've read about those circumstances where they keep the surrogate in the family.
Or is there a family member?
It's a sister caring for her sister because she's had ovarian cancer and literally cannot.
It's beautiful. But this is becoming something else, and we have to have the courage to talk about that and realize what you are seeing in the culture that's taking place, which is greedy, rich people that can never have enough of anything.
They can't have enough houses. They can't have enough boats.
They can't have enough vacations.
They can't have enough planes. And now they can't have enough kids, and they don't even have to put their bodies through it to have it.
It's removing the spiritual element of pregnancy.
And I personally am sickened by it, barring those, you know, examples of people who genuinely have remortgaged their homes and have tried everything to be able to have one child because that's something else, I think.
And it's so interesting as a young woman, so going through college, you know, during the digital era, I remember being on Facebook, being on Instagram.
Surrogacy ads are everywhere.
I don't know if that was just targeted to me.
I don't know if, you know, any of this audience has seen that, but I would just be scrolling and it would say, and obviously because it's ads and they sell our data, they know everything about us.
And it's like, are you like a highly educated brunette girl over the height of, you know, five, eight, this athletic, you know, do you want $20,000?
I remember going to my mom and being like, this is great money.
A lot of these girls are college girls that need the money.
I mean, when you actually become educated, and I do want to point people to Allie Beth Stuckey's podcast.
She's done so much work on this, and she woke me up to it.
I had no idea, because I had the fluffy version in my head of what the circumstances are and how desperate the women that are giving up their eggs are, as well as the actual surrogates are.
Like, they are people that literally need the cash, and so they're donating their eggs.
How can we say that that is moral and that is principled, you know?
I meant Chloe. Yeah. And Naomi Campbell just announced that at 54 years old, she just had a baby.
And her announcement was very me-me-me.
She said, you know, you can have babies whenever you want.
Yeah. If you're wealthy.
Rich. Yes. Yeah. If you're 54 years old, don't even get me started on the fact that biology, actually, the reason why we stop being able to have children is because there's something socially to be said about the fact that a 54-year-old should not be just starting having a child.
The energy. I have young children that it takes.
You're going to tell me that she's going to be when her child is 10 years old.
She is going to be a senior citizen.
And you want me to believe that she is going to have the energy.
She's going to be able to give everything to this child.
And now that I'm 54, a little more me with zero consideration for this child and the environment that they're going to be raised in because they're not going to have that relationship with their grandparents and things of that nature.
Okay, this is weird, but I saw TikTok about this and it went viral.
It has now like 7.7 million views, but it's this girl talking about being an IVF baby.
Both she and her sister were from the same set of embryos and she's a couple of years older.
It was really interesting seeing her grapple with this because she asked questions that I've never seen anybody ask before and the comments were very weirded out by it.
Like, they were making fun of her, saying this is very odd.
But she was asking these really hard questions saying, why was I picked to be the older sister?
Like, I was just a random embryo that was plucked out and picked.
And she said, but it makes sense.
Like, I can't imagine my younger sister, her personality being an older sister.
She was like, is it God?
Like, did somehow, like, fate decide that I was the right embryo?
And there are still embryos left that are frozen.
And she and her sister have thought about, like, oh, they could have those embryos, but then it would be their fathers.
It's all this weird stuff, but she is, like, questioning, like, there are some of us still left.
And she was just putting on her makeup and questioning.
And it was so... Hard, but good to watch because somebody was being so authentic.
And those are questions I hadn't even thought about before of being a child.
Do you know they rate the embryos? Which is crazy.
Yeah, they rate the embryos. So you create an embryo and they say, for the parents, this one's an A. So this child would be perfect.
This one's a B, but at least this one's a boy in case you want to go the boy route.
The A's a girl. Yeah.
And this is a consideration that people have.
I have a close friend.
They're really deeply faithful Christians and they went the IVF route and they refused.
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They struggled to have kids for 10 years and they did not want, when they explained that to me, that you can, they rate the embryos and then afterwards I said, what do they do with the extra ones?
She said, they're getting them implanted.
She's like, we of course should implant them.
If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
That's fine. But the idea of leaving my children in a science lab.
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