From the Archive: Charlie at the University of Kentucky
Charlie Kirk, representing Turning Point USA at the University of Kentucky, labels college a scam and urges early marriage and large families. He defines "woke" as postmodernism, citing the Toronto Raptors' apology and corporate distractions like Hershey's initiatives. Kirk contrasts conservative truth with liberal subjectivity, rejects victimhood narratives, and claims humans are naturally bad. He dismisses pandemic measures, including masks and mRNA vaccines, while promoting Noble Gold Investments, Preborn ultrasounds, Hillsdale courses, and TikTok safety features. Ultimately, the speech frames cultural conflict as a battle for absolute truth against emotional manipulation. [Automatically generated summary]
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Fighting for Our Belief System00:05:13
My name is Charlie Kirk.
I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.
My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.
If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable.
But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful.
College is a scam, everybody.
You've got to stop sending your kids to college.
You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible.
Go start a turning point USA college chapter.
Go start a turning point USA high school chapter.
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Sign up and become an activist.
I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.
Most important decision I ever made in my life.
And I encourage you to do the same.
Here I am.
Lord, use me.
Buckle up, everybody.
Here we go.
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Boy, this is the tallest stage I've ever spoken on in the history of stages.
It's like a hazard if I fall off this.
Hello, everybody.
Great to be here.
Thank you for taking time tonight.
We're going to have some fun, I hope.
And I want to thank the university for making this easy.
I don't say that about every college I visit.
And so this is great, and I appreciate it.
And I want to thank our amazing Turning Point USA leaders that helped put this all together.
They deserve a lot of credit.
And they are doing what I believe is one of the most difficult things for a young person to do in America, which is to vocally state your beliefs against what is popular and what is considered to be the prevailing kind of wisdom of the age, or lack of wisdom, quite honestly.
And that's a big deal.
As young conservatives, you're basically saying, I don't care if I'm going to be smeared or slandered.
If somebody's gonna call me names, I'm gonna stand for what is true.
And there's a price to that.
And even here in the mostly conservative South, I'm told that there's a fair amount of liberals actually in Lexington.
Maybe not, maybe that's not true.
We'll find out, I guess, later tonight.
But certainly on college campuses, I bet that's true.
But it's a big deal when I see young people that are saying, I know the price, I know the cost.
And there's a great question that I always ask liberals that come to these events.
And it's just very simple, which is, is it difficult to hold the beliefs that you have?
And the answer is no.
I mean, if you are a BLM LGBTQ activist, that's not difficult.
You're accepted by professors, you're accepted by the administration.
You know what is difficult?
It's difficult at times to be a turning point USA leader on campus.
You're graded differently, you're looked at differently, you're even called names.
And therefore, the question then should be why do you think I keep on believing in conservative ideas even though it's very difficult?
It doesn't make my life easier.
Maybe it's because there might be something.
To our belief system that makes me want to actually fight for it.
That I believe it so much because of what is good, true, and beautiful, and because of the facts and the evidence and the reason and the history behind it.
And so I'm super inspired by that.
I was traveling here with a friend of mine, Tom Lewis, who's here somewhere, and I asked him the question what I ask most people before I speak, which is, hey, what do you want me to talk about?
And he said, Charlie, I think it would be helpful if you laid out the differences between the wokies and conservatives.
The wokies is like a catch all term, right?
Basically, people who are.
Let's say, as far away from enlightenment to believe that men can become pregnant, you know, that's kind of a catch all term.
But I think there's really important because people say, Charlie, we are so divided in America.
I think there's some truth to that.
I think that some divisions are actually healthy to actually see where each side stands and be able to draw those lines and be able to say, you know, that actually isn't my viewpoint.
But there are five things that I've come with tonight that I think are really important to show the difference between what I, as a conservative, or we, as people that believe in the natural law, or people that believe in.
What would be considered classical conservatism versus kind of this new phenomenon of postmodernism, poststructuralism, you call it leftism or liberalism.
And the term woke, by the way, is a catch all term.
You can like it, you cannot like it.
It actually comes from a belief that you have now been able to wake up to all the systemic injustice and oppression around you.
And now you are enlightened enough to be able to see that there's racism around everywhere and that at that moment you're woke.
I honestly think it's somewhat helpful to now have a word other than liberal or left to describe the most insane things that are happening.
I'll give you one example.
And most people don't know this.
The Toronto Raptors Example00:03:03
The Toronto Raptors are a national basketball team, obviously.
And they do this video for Women's Month or Women's Week or whatever it is, right?
And they're just kind of off the cuff social media video.
You've seen those kind of promo videos.
And they play them kind of during halftime or during timeouts.
And they say, okay, why do you guys appreciate the women in your life?
Or why should we appreciate women?
The players for the Raptors say, you know, oh, they're queens and they're amazing and they're the only ones that could procreate.
Oh, can't say that.
The Toronto Raptors published that video and quickly were forced to take down that video and issue a multi-paragraph apology, groveling, that saying that this is not true, we're gonna be better, this is so, we're really learning that the idea that only women can procreate.
Could you imagine the locker room after that?
The Toronto Raptors?
I mean, no better way to radicalize National Basketball Association players to being right-wingers than being like, no, no, actually you're too dumb to think that only women can become pregnant.
And it's one thing to believe an insane thing, that's nothing new.
What's different, though, is to force us to believe it and not be able to challenge it.
And I'm not gonna put up with that, and you shouldn't either.
When.
This is how you know these ideas are so poisonous and awful, is that they could have let the video play, and then why don't we hear from all the experts that could tell us that what the basketball player said was wrong, where he literally just said, They're the only ones that can procreate.
God bless them.
They're the mothers of the world.
That's not true in the world of the woke because they believe men can become pregnant and birthing people and all that sort of thing, right?
And that was so offensive, they had to then use force to take it down.
And then, of course, you must then apologize.
Even though you're not sorry, that's what's so interesting, I think if you actually are sorry in life, you should apologize.
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Here's a good rule for life never apologize for if you did not do something wrong and someone is demanding an apology from you.
Hershey's Chocolate Controversy00:04:33
That's a hostage situation.
That is not.
Necessary of an apology.
That's, I'm so, I need you to justify my weird worldview.
So please, you know, apologize.
What did I do wrong?
Well, you hurt my feelings.
Well, okay, but I said that only women can become pregnant.
I have so many examples of this, by the way.
For example, Hershey's Chocolate in just the last couple weeks, which is, again, you know, not exactly, I would consider to be a company at the top of the list of, you know, political activism, but Hershey's comes out with a dude that, Is appropriating womanhood and is like dancing around and frolicking and says, you know, what being a woman to me means this.
It's a man.
It's like a man with long hair telling us, and he's like, go buy Hershey's chocolate.
And I have a deeper theory about this that I think is really important, which is the NBA example aside, but certainly with Hershey's and definitely with the NFL and definitely with some other companies.
I think these companies use the woke stuff as a way to distract us from the bad stuff these companies are actually doing.
For example, maybe it's not a good thing to give eight year olds. chocolate and corn syrup.
But Hershey's doesn't want you talking about that because they're cool because they have men frolicking around as women.
I think the woke thing serves as almost a smokescreen and a veneer and a camouflage from us actually criticizing some of these companies and organizations from the legitimate damage they're doing to, I don't know, contribute to childhood obesity.
I mean, again, Hershey's, I love chocolate, you probably love chocolate, but of all the things I would think that Hershey would be very worried about, I didn't think it would be their gender politics.
I just don't think they would weigh in on that.
But they do that because they think they can be immune to the pressure from the activist class.
If they put out those sort of weird infomercials.
The NFL is the same thing, by the way.
These nauseating end zones end racism, like all this stuff.
The NFL just doesn't want you to talk about concussions.
And I love football, by the way.
I love football.
But the NFL has covered up concussions for the last 20 years, and they act as if it's not a risk factor into playing football.
I think football is beautiful.
I think we should continue it.
I think we've got to figure out a way to try to limit concussions and actually have players not be penalized for actually sitting weeks out, like Tua was totally mistreated with the Miami Dolphins this last season.
But the NFL doesn't want you talking about that.
Because the NFL instead would say, well, we're enlightened because we have the gay flag or whatever in our end zone and we're going to end racism.
Okay, ending racism is a very virtuous thing, obviously, to try to do.
Probably going to take more than a decal on the back of a helmet.
Just probably.
How about we create good people and have kids that can read in our public schools in Baltimore?
Like, maybe that's probably more important than ending racism.
Just probably, right?
Okay, so I have five differences, and you guys can disagree on this, but I actually think these, even if you disagree with everything I stand for and everything that.
We believe at Turning Point USA.
I think these five differences are actually facts of the distinctions between the divide, the majority divide.
Now, there are nuances here.
You might be a libertarian, you might be a socialist, you might be, you know, so these are general kind of categories of five things that I think are differences between someone who thinks more on the conservative side or someone who would self identify on the American left.
And the first of which is really important do you believe that there is or an ability to believe?
In absolute truth?
Do you believe that there is truth that might transcend your own opinions?
And this is a very important thing.
I'm a Christian.
I wear it on my sleeve.
I think the further we've gotten away from our Christian roots, the more unhappy, less joyful, more miserable, and violent our country has become.
It's not a popular thing to say in America, but it's true, so you could take it for whatever it's worth.
But in secular society, in the Bible, it says, very famous verse, and man did whatever is right in his own eyes, right?
Basically saying, you want moral chaos, you have.
Subjectivity.
I'm going to do whatever I want whenever I want to do it because I'm the most important thing.
That's a very modern way to view your existence, by the way.
Very modern.
Instead, the more traditional way, which I think is more healthy and actually anchored in wisdom, is that, okay, I do exist, but I'm made in the image of a creator that is much more powerful and is actually divine, and I am not, and I should first care about my obligations and my duty and my service more so than my own personal feelings or my own personal opinions.
That's a lot more important than thinking you're the most important thing in the world.
In fact, I think it actually creates unhappier people.
Reason Versus Emotion Today00:15:11
I'll get to that in a second.
Is there truth?
And I will hear all the time people will say, Charlie, there is no such thing as absolute truth.
The only thing is your own personal perspective andor power dynamics.
Not only is this a problem when you play it out in kind of just utilitarian ways, because eventually somebody's gonna be in charge, okay?
Eventually somebody's truth is gonna reign supreme.
And history shows us that if you believe that there's no absolute truth, you're gonna get a Stalin who's willing to use Brutal power to eventually get to the top of that hierarchy, and nobody wants to live in that country.
Okay?
I shouldn't say nobody.
You shouldn't want to live in that country.
Okay?
The idea of having absolute truth is basic in speech.
If you do not have agreed upon terms or vocabulary where we can have discussion, then what exactly are we ever supposed to remedy our differences?
This is why I am so, at times I get accused as being obtuse, which I consider to be a compliment, so firm.
About language precision when it comes to sex and gender.
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I'll give you an example.
Here's one word that means something completely different to one side than it does to the other side.
And this is sad.
The word insurrection.
Okay?
For half the country, they see what happened on January 6th, and they say, that is a violent overthrow of our government.
When reviewing the 45,000 hours of footage, I don't think it was a noble thing, obviously, to go smash windows and to try to harm police officers, but largely it was a bunch of buffoons that were kind of like, Amateurville, USA, that had really some planning to no planning whatsoever.
And if that's an insurrection, it's the first insurrection in American history where the guards are showing the insurrectionists around the place they're trying to take over.
Here, here's the windows and this.
They're docents at a museum.
That's not an insurrection.
That's a tour guide.
And yet they keep on repeating this in the last couple of days.
Insurrections.
That's really bad because then it dilutes the term.
I'll give you another example racism.
Racism is real.
It is.
It's evil.
Because that means you are putting a label on somebody that they did not earn.
Something they cannot change.
Something that no matter how hard they try, they can't break outside of that label.
That is stereotyping somebody's actions and judging them and putting them in a box before they've ever, ever done something to you.
That is evil, it's wrong, it's terrible.
But however, if you say racism in America, some people on the left will say, but black people can't be racist.
This is a predominant, prevailing view.
Or they say, well, white people are racist no matter what.
When basically the classical definition of racism.
Is one that we should not just accept, it should be predominant, which is any person of any race could be racist at any time.
It's wrong and it's evil.
And guess what?
We're actually not that racist of a country.
We're actually the least racist country ever to exist in the history of the world.
We're actually rather decent to each other.
Considering we have every nation represented on the planet, every language spoken, we've let more people into our country than any other country ever to exist in the history of the world, and we largely get along, that's a big deal.
In fact, we have a supply and demand problem with racism.
That if you are a famous, soon to be failed actor in Chicago, you have to fake your own hate crime.
There's so little racism that you gotta go all of a sudden put like a noose around your neck and act as if, oh my goodness, they're hunting me down in the streets and screaming, this is MAGA country.
That's how you know you don't live in a racist country.
You have to fake your own hate crimes.
And by the way, you do it really sloppily and you think people are gonna believe you.
By the way, I'm from Chicago.
I knew this whole thing was BS as soon as I heard negative 30 degrees.
You go out to Subway, that's really weird, at like 2 a.m.
Like that whole thing is really strange.
And then he says that the two people come up with MAGA hats and proclaim this is MAGA country.
And then they throw the noose around him.
And then when the police come back into his apartment, he's still wearing the noose.
And the police officer, God bless him, he said one of the funniest lines in the history of police body cam footage.
First thing, first thing the police officer says is, Why are you still wearing the noose?
It's like it's been 20 minutes.
Like, I get it.
It's like, don't you think you'd take it off?
Like, that's, you're wearing it like it's a costume because it was a costume, okay?
So, when words start to mean something that they don't actually mean, then you get into power dynamics, and that's really bad.
So, but deeper than that, my challenge to you, even if you don't think there is absolute truth, I challenge you to at least entertain the idea that there is absolute truth.
Because otherwise, you actually then self contradict your own viewpoint.
Which one of my favorite dialogues I've ever had with a student is they say, Charlie, there is no such thing as absolute truth.
I say, Well, is that absolutely true?
And immediately it collapses, right?
Because then you're using the paradigm that you're trying to criticize against the person that you're going.
Okay, second thing is this, which is, okay, kind of ties into this.
What matters more in trying to make difficult political decisions or difficult decisions?
Reason or emotions?
Okay?
Reason should always matter more than your emotions.
Your emotions are important.
Your emotions, though, can deceive you because they fluctuate.
They also are incredibly subjective.
We need to go through a political process where reason is much more important than emotion.
And emotion should not mean nothing.
When you see 5,000 people go across your southern border every single day, you should be angry about that.
When you see children that are allowed to have drag queens performed in front of them, you should be angry about that.
However, the way that we go about actually doing something should dictate and use reason.
Because reason actually tempers that emotion.
And then you're able to build consensus based on that reason.
You can have agreed upon terms and agreed upon language.
I'm afraid that our politics has become way too emotive and not very logical.
And by the way, this is actually sometimes both sides are equal opportunity offenders of this.
So there's not one side versus the other.
I get upset on both sides about this.
But largely in American life today, and especially I think in the viewpoint of what we call the wokeys, it is hyper emotional.
And very little factual.
So, for example, you know, when I will go on a college campus and they'll say, you know, Charlie, you cannot be a black person and walk down the street without the police coming and gunning you down.
It's super frequent, it's super common.
But then you use your reason, you say, well, how common is it?
How many unarmed black men are killed by the police every single year?
And estimates, they'll say 1,000, 2,000, 5,000, 10,000, 50,000.
It's 18.
And that's according to the Washington Post, not exactly a right wing outlet, okay?
18 is too much.
You go look into that, it's actually less than that.
It's more like 10 or 11, because the way they determine it is actually really.
Kind of sketchy.
It's like some people were trying to run over the cop with a car.
They were reaching for something that could have been a weapon.
Okay, let's say that it's 15.
Out of millions of police interactions every single year and a very, very difficult job that keeps us all safe, are we really supposed to disassemble modern society because of 15 examples that are very subject to error when emotions are heightened and you're in the heat of the moment?
See, that's using your reason against emotion to actually come to a conclusion.
And the summer of 2020, Floyd-a-Palooza, we decided.
To allow our emotion to literally burn down our civilization.
We should never let that happen again.
Because the reason should have been actually, we're not a racist country.
There's no excuse for what happened in Minneapolis.
That's bad.
It's also extremely rare.
And to connect that all of a sudden to 1619 Project, we're systemically racist and all that, it's just not true.
But if you don't believe in absolute truth, then that argument is not very convincing, is it?
That goes back to the first point.
Third one this victims and victors.
Look, part of the Marxist view is constantly looking at things through either race, gender, class, right?
So Marx originally was really big on class.
Actually, he said some things that were sort of true about that.
We can talk about that later.
Then gender came.
They're totally done with that one, by the way, because they can't tell you what a woman is.
But the big one that they're really driving home.
Is race, right?
Which is constantly trying to tell people that there is something that you have a disadvantage against you, that you have a barrier, that you have a limitation based on something you can't change.
I think this is one of the most immoral and evil things that you can tell a young black person in America or a young Hispanic person or anyone in ethnic minority.
If you're telling them out of the gate that there are these boogeyman barriers that might prevent them from flourishing in success and prosperity, by definition, that student will be less likely to take a risk.
To engage in self discipline and to try to get to a higher place of flourishing.
You're basically telling them the game is so rigged against you, the white man, the structure against you, that you shouldn't do that.
Instead, it should be you know what?
You might get gypped here and there by a jerk, but we actually largely live in a decent country and you're going to find some decent people.
And if you don't like that decent person, quit and find a decent person.
Instead, be gritty and be tough.
And if you do that, you can succeed in this country.
That's a much better message than telling everybody that they're a victim simply because of the color of their skin.
And that is a massive divide as we see manifest in our country today.
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Okay, I could talk about that one forever, but I'm gonna go quick.
Number four, which is probably one of my favorites, and it should be, honestly, if I was king for a day, that would be really something, I gotta tell you.
If I was king for a day, I would make it a requirement that every class in college or high school at least debates, thinks, and reads on the topic of whether or not man is basically good or basically evil.
This is one of the most fundamental questions.
When you talk about politics and life, it informs almost every other question when it comes to politics.
Now, spoiler alert if you're a Christian, you cannot believe man is basically good, okay?
It's impossible.
Just a little spoiler alert it's incompatible.
Most of the secular world, though, believes that man is born good and corrupted by the influences outside of him.
So, born perfect and corrupted by racism, corrupted by capitalism, corrupted by all the corporatism, all this stuff.
And therefore, we can't blame the human being who is flawed.
We got to change all society, and that will make the world better.
I'm a parent of now a six month old.
I think other parents would agree.
If you want a master class in demonstrating human nature, have children, and you'll learn human nature very quickly.
Like, I never taught you that, but that's very bad.
Stop doing that.
Like, where did you learn that?
It's because their nature, I believe, is naturally bad.
Does that mean they're all bad?
No.
There is a tension.
You do have a conscience.
In fact, in Genesis 3, not to talk too much about the Bible because some of you might find it unpersuasive, even though it built the civilization you're in, but that's a separate issue.
Cain, one of the most amazing dialogues, is Cain talking to God, where God asked him, What happened to your brother?
And Cain did not immediately say, Well, I murdered him, of course.
Instead, his answer, and I'm just paraphrasing from memory, was actually somewhat defensive.
Basically, it was like, What am I, my brother's keeper?
And there's a lot of different ways to read that verse, but basically, that's playing defense.
Because I believe God did put an element of conscience in every single human being.
However, it wasn't enough.
That's why you had the Noahic covenant and eventually the laws of Israel.
And then obviously, we believe as Christians, you know, Jesus Christ, God incarnate, to lead us towards the absolute truth.
But the point being is that I do believe there is some agency for a human being to be able to judge good and bad.
But guess what?
What we know through human history.
Hierarchy of Man and Nature00:05:04
And just raising children is that usually your nature wins out against the dialogue in your head.
So the question should be what do we do about it?
Try to raise good people.
Pretty simple.
Teach young people what is right or wrong and punish them when they do wrong.
Pretty simple.
Well, it's actually not that simple because civilizations have tried to figure it out for quite some time.
In fact, America was figuring it out really well when we used to have a certain model of education.
We've gotten away from that.
If people are naturally good, then you can excuse all the injustice in the world.
If people are naturally not good, then the problem is very simple make them better, understand their nature.
You see, When a college student believes they're naturally good and they know they're not, it actually can be very tormenting to them.
Instead, we should say, your nature is rather crummy, and if you work hard at it enough, you can actually become a pretty good person.
Instead, if you tell a 19-year-old your nature is perfect, they become an activist because they think everything wrong about the world is outside of them.
Instead, you should say the biggest problem and the biggest challenge you have every single day is the person you see in the mirror.
It's you versus you.
It's not you versus climate change.
It's not you versus systemic racism.
It's not you versus transphobia.
How about you make your bed, shave, and stop smelling like a mess before you tell me that America is systemically racist?
We used to tell our children in America, we used to tell our children, you got a lot of problems and America is great.
Now we tell our children, America has a lot of problems and you are great.
And the result is the most miserable, suicidal, depressed, confused generation in American history.
Because we've taught them that their past is crummy, no ability to improve their current life unless they tear everything down around them.
That creates activists and arsonists, not good people.
Okay, finally, one that I could go on at some length here, which I think is really important, which is what is man's relationship with nature?
And this is one that is going to just be the number one issue that I don't know tonight.
The questions that we'll get.
But I get this question probably more than anything else.
Charlie, what do you think about climate change and all this?
And I'm happy to discuss all of it.
But you cannot even begin to get into that debate until you could tell me on moral terms what you believe man versus nature and how they should coexist.
I believe in a hierarchy of man and nature.
I believe nature is there for us as human beings to be able to use to put human beings first.
I do not believe we're here to worship nature.
I do not believe we are here to get some sort of Let's say, religious kick out of nature.
I think nature is made by God, who is outside of nature, for man, who is above nature, to be able to flourish.
Why does that matter?
Well, if you believe that nature and man are equals, or even worse, if you believe that nature is above man, well, then all of a sudden, you then have an argument to shut down industrial production, to limit human population.
You see, earth worship is nothing new.
It is coming back, though, in great detail.
The question in front of us should be, and this is what I always ask of the climate change people, is would you believe the same policy prescriptions that you have to, you know, some of them, there's some nuances here, right?
But get rid of fossil fuels, you know, widespread electric vehicles, all this stuff.
Would you still believe that if you believe that human beings actually have a hierarchy over nature?
And you might say, well, that's insignificant because I want to save the environment to be able to save human beings.
Okay, so that's actually a good argument if it was true.
If you can get me to buy into quote unquote scientific consensus after everything I've been told by the scientific elites over the last three years has been proven to be a synthetic fabricated lie.
Whether it be the virus came from a bat in the Himalayan mountains and kicking me off Twitter for mentioning it, shutting down kids and putting on masks, of which epidemiologically was one of the worst, stupidest things we could ever do to young teenagers.
And then to force on an mRNA gene altering shot onto a younger generation and tell them, if you don't get this, you don't go to college, you can't go to the military, you can't get a job, and then not even an apology from Fauci or Walensky or the people in charge?
Yeah, excuse me while I say, yeah, you probably haven't earned my trust the last couple years.
In fact, you've earned my distrust.
Like when you are really getting towards something, I think there actually might be an ulterior motive behind you.
So man's relationship with nature is very important, and I believe you have to be able to express that on moral terms.
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