Charlie Kirk and guests dissect President Trump's alleged peace deal with Iran, detailing a 15-point plan involving Fordow facility dismantling and Strait of Hormuz reopening against Iranian demands for control. The discussion pivots to DHS defunding linked to the Sheridan Gorman murder, Chip Roy's Texas Attorney General campaign focusing on violent felonies, and campus hostility at Wyoming University regarding gender roles and abortion. Ultimately, the episode argues that Trump's strategy combines military force with economic sanctions to secure a rapid conflict resolution while prioritizing domestic prosperity over unpopular geopolitical entanglements. [Automatically generated summary]
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All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
It is March 25th, 2026.
Welcome, Blake.
Howdy.
So the topic at the lead here of our show is to make a deal or not make a deal.
It seems to be something of a mystery whether or not one was even taking place.
President Trump says it is.
We're in the middle of the day.
And the officials deny it, but I think we've got a permanent state of maximum excitement.
We're maximally open to a deal.
We're always on the brink of a deal, and yet we're also permanently ready to go maximally hard.
It's like, listen, it's got to be Trump's.
This is what they're calling Trump's strategy of the doctrine of unpredictability.
And, you know, it's kind of the point.
I think it's kind of the point.
So let's, what are the deal parameters?
And let's get to the clip that is kind of spurring a lot of this discussion.
This was a wild moment from yesterday.
It happened after our show wrapped yesterday.
And President Trump hints that, well, he doesn't hint.
He says directly that Iran sent him a present.
And it has a lot of people speculating what that present could be.
SOT 13.
They're going to make a deal.
They did something yesterday that was amazing, actually.
They gave us a present.
And the president arrived today.
And it was a very big present worth a tremendous amount of money.
And I'm not going to tell you what that present is, but it was a very significant prize.
And they gave it to us and they said they were going to give us.
So that meant one thing to me, we're dealing with the right people.
Is that nuclear related?
No, it wasn't nuclear related.
It was oil and gas related.
And it was a very nice thing they did.
But what it showed me is that we're dealing with the right people.
It's so funny how he phrases that because the description, even though your mind goes to, you know, it's President Trump.
So you picture him getting like a giant medallion he could hang in, you know, the Oval Office or something.
But the implication I got is it could even be, it could be something more abstract, like worth a tremendous amount of money oil and gas related.
Well, we already saw the damage.
We saw the damage, for example, when Iran lobbed those missiles at that gas facility in Qatar.
Maybe they got evidence that an attack on a similar target got called off or got blocked.
It could be anything.
It could be Strait of Hormuz.
It could be Carg Island.
It could be that.
It could be a number of things.
Trump's not giving us any details.
But what was interesting about the way this played out yesterday was that the other legacy media outlets were denying Trump's claim that there is, we're not getting any reports from Iranian sources that there is actually a peace deal in negotiation.
And then eventually the legacy media was forced to walk back those claims, SOT 21.
We're now learning from a senior Iranian source that there has been an outreach between the U.S. and Iran.
The source tells CNN that this was initiated by Washington.
All right, so CNN's only point of differentiation here is that Washington reached out to Iran first.
President Trump says, oh, they're desperate for a deal.
And so it remains unclear.
Then there was this whole story that Iran did not want to work with Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff.
They only wanted to work with JD Vance.
Now, JD Vance and the White House are denying those claims, calling it foreign disinformation.
So take from that what you will.
But it remains that it does look like, you know, based on President Trump's earlier warning, he gave them five days or he was going to start striking their energy facilities, their oil and gas infrastructure.
He says he's got four days left and that they want to make a deal.
We'll see.
Yeah, let's play another clip from President Trump.
So to give more flavor here, SOP 14.
But I can tell you they'd like to make a deal.
And who wouldn't if you were there?
Look, their Navy's gone.
Their Air Force is gone.
Their communications are gone.
That's the biggest problem.
It's very hard to communicate them between themselves.
All of the anti-aircraft is gone.
Most of their missiles are gone.
We either shot them or they shot them and don't have them anymore.
They're down to a trickle.
Pretty much everything they have is gone.
I don't know.
Can you name one thing that's not gone or can you name one thing that's doing well?
You know, if you read the papers, you think we're tied.
You think we're in a tough battle.
We are roaming free over Tehran.
It is really, it does drive that point home.
I saw a good comparison.
It's like, imagine we were in a war with China and three weeks in, the president was dead, the vice president was dead.
A bunch of Congress was dead.
A bunch of the generals were dead.
No one knows who's in charge of the U.S. military.
All of our boats sank.
All of our planes blew up.
They can fly wherever they want.
Everyone's terrified of where a drone would strike.
But we did close the Panama Canal and maybe 20 Chinese are dead.
And who would you say is winning in that arrangement?
Well, it's interesting because, you know, I gave you guys a note of warning, right?
There was a strike near in Israel from Iran near a nuclear facility there.
That was a warning.
There was also reports potentially that Iran had stockpiles that were not previously known of even more advanced missile stock.
I have been calling around a lot of sources on this, and I will tell you, just as somebody that's an objective observer of this situation, the tone behind the scenes seems to have lifted.
I'm hearing a lot more positivity about the potential outcome of this war.
Speaker Johnson is now saying he thinks Operation Epic Fury is about to get wrapped up this week.
But I will tell you just the tone of people that I'm speaking to has shifted.
There is a note of positivity.
Oil markets have edged down, which is a good sign.
And if we can get a 15-point plan over the finish line, that would be good.
That's what's going on right now.
Reportedly, a 15-point plan was sent by the U.S. through whatever, I think through Pakistan.
Pakistan is the one doing it.
Whoever in Iran we are currently negotiating with.
And we don't have the list of the 15 points, but there's reporting from the New York Times, from Al Jazeera, and others on what it probably includes.
That would include an initial 30-day ceasefire, dismantling of Iran's existing nuclear facilities at Fordeau, Isfahan, Natans.
A permanent, we're demanding a permanent commitment from Iran to never develop any nuclear capabilities.
President Trump has said that they've already agreed.
Trump has said they've already agreed to that.
Reopening the Strait of Hormuz.
An end.
This is a big one.
And the end of Iran supporting these military proxies across the Middle East.
That's like Hezbollah in Lebanon.
That's the Houthis in Yemen.
Those have constantly been this kind of soar that's caused tensions and problems all over the place.
I mean, we have, separately from the Iran war, there is a war going on in Lebanon right now that has killed as many, if not more people than the one in Iran.
And that's because of Hezbollah existing in southern Lebanon.
And so they have similar demands.
And we even agreed, apparently, that we would have U.S. support for electricity generation at a civil nuclear plant if they're really insisting they need some sort of nuclear power.
So far, Iran's propaganda has said they're rejecting all of this, and instead they have their own five-point plan, which would include that we give them control of the Strait of Hormuz permanently.
They have a legal right to do that.
I think we're unlikely to make that agreement.
Yeah, they've got no cards on that, I don't think.
They have some cards, but they don't have a lot of cards.
But yeah, listen, and by the way, President Trump has said that point one, two, and three of his 15-point plan is no nuclear weapons.
And it's Trump, so you can imagine one, two, and three all just say Iran will have no nuclear weapons.
But listen, I'm calling balls and strikes here.
I'm telling you, the tone has shifted with many people that were very negative just a few days ago.
There seems to be a sense of optimism.
Let's hope that that holds.
Let's hope that this ends quickly.
All right, I want to pivot our attention to what's happening with this DHS funding fight because it's all happening upon the backdrop of the Sheridan Gorman killing in Chicago, right?
So you have DHS to defend and protect the homeland.
One of those jobs is, yes, deport illegal aliens, deport criminals.
Some of that is FEMA funding.
Some of that is TSA.
A lot of these different ages.
DHS is huge.
And now you've got Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen, who's just been sworn in.
Congratulations to Secretary Mullen.
He's been a friend of the show and been on many, many times.
And so I think he's the perfect guy for the job.
We had Tom Homan on yesterday saying that he was the perfect guy at the perfect time.
So let's hope that his tenure is a successful one.
But, you know, listen, I don't typically play clips from Tom Emmer.
I got some history and scar tissue just from some of that stuff.
But he did say this very well here.
And so I'm going to give the man his due CUT 12.
The illegal alien who killed Sheridan Gorman is exactly who Democrats are fighting to protect with their needless shutdown of the Department of Homeland Security.
Their absurd list of demands paints a clear picture.
Open borders, limited deportations, and violent illegal aliens roaming free.
Democrats want to return America to the days of the Biden border crisis.
But that's not going to happen.
We're not going to go back.
This week, the House is going to vote once again to fund all of DHS.
We will vote to end this shutdown, pay the frontline heroes of Border Patrol, TSA, and the Coast Guard, and put the security of our nation first.
But Democrats will continue to obstruct.
Why?
Because they'd rather protect violent illegal aliens over the American people.
I mean, and that's really what it comes down to.
They want to protect illegal aliens.
I don't know why.
Now their newest demand is that they want to remove funding from HSI, which is the investigative arm of Homeland Security.
It's exactly as we said yesterday, which is the problem with talking about so much of the left is when you honestly describe their policies, you sound insane because it is unfathomably deranged and evil.
But when you're defunding Homeland Security investigations, when you're defunding ICE, the policy intent of this is make it so anyone in the world can come to America and it is impossible for them to be taken out.
They'll say, oh, we want the worst offenders to be deported, but they do not believe it.
They are lying.
You obviously don't want that if you want to defund HSI.
Yeah, if you're defunding that, if you're going to make it, it's like when they say, we know voter fraud doesn't exist, so we're never ever going to investigate it or indict anyone or look at it.
Total see no evil.
Because if these people are showing up at the border and you're going to let them in, and then if they blow off their hearing, you're not going to find them.
You're not going to have any ICE agents to make the arrest and ship them back.
You're going to bar agents from even going to courtrooms and prisons to pick up the ones who get caught committing crimes.
Your position is anyone, especially criminals, has the right to come to the United States and stay here forever.
Well, what's interesting is we have this clip from none other than Hakeem Jeffries in 2015 talking about playing politics with DHS funding.
SOT 4.
We are here today to do a single job, and that should be to fund fully the Department of Homeland Security.
Anything else is an abdication of our responsibility.
Anything else is an act of legislative malpractice simply because of the inability of my friends on the other side of the aisle to satisfy the thirst of the extreme right-wing anti-immigration base of the party.
And so we're playing political games at a time when the safety and the security of the American people is being threatened.
Ah, well, that's a far cry from the modern Democrat Party.
Let's go ahead and play.
This is Philly DA Larry Krasner, Soros-funded Larry Krasner.
He's now threatening to arrest ICE agents if they come to his airport to help, you know, lessen the security lines.
SOT 9.
This is how it works.
You commit crimes within the jurisdiction that is the city and county of Philadelphia.
I prosecute you.
That is how it works.
No, I don't take a phone call from the president saying let him go.
No, the president cannot pardon you.
I'll say it again.
The president cannot pardon you.
And yes, I will put you in handcuffs and I will put you in a courtroom.
And if necessary, I will put you in a jail cell.
It's infuriating.
They treat ICE agents like they are the Gestapo.
That's why they describe them like the Gestapo.
This is the same Krasner, by the way, who was promising to hunt down ICE agents like Nazis a couple of years ago.
He's just despicable.
He is a man who loves criminals.
He supports criminals.
He celebrates when criminals are able to kill Americans.
Yeah, that's what's hilarious.
This is Paris' comment: he's saying, I hunt down criminals and I prosecute criminals.
Well, no, you don't, Larry Krasner.
No, you don't, actually.
You get to pick and choose which criminals you want to hunt down.
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And we have one more blast from the, it feels like a blast from the past to me, but it really is indicative of the values of the left that persist.
There is no moderation on the immigration issue from them.
And this is, so we were talking about Sheridan Gorman.
She was murdered.
She was a student at Loyola in Chicago.
And this is how her own student newspaper wrote up what had happened.
They wrote an article about it that had the title, Immigrant Man Charged in Murder of Sheridan Gorman, DHS Involved.
And they have updated their story and issued a lengthy apology because they say they didn't write about it in a way that reflects their standards and values because they described the man who murdered Sheridan Gorman allegedly as an illegal immigrant.
Yeah, go to that headline again, that image of it.
So that language does not align with associated press style, nor does it align with the values of this newspaper.
No human's existence is illegal.
And we quickly changed our wording to reflect that.
We acknowledge the harm such language can cause and the power and importance of the words we choose to use.
We deeply regret these errors.
How about we deeply regret that an illegal foreigner came to the United States and murdered a woman in a robbery, a woman who did nothing wrong and was basically executed by someone who should have never been here?
That's a truly offensive, disgusting, gross headline from the student paper.
The Loyola Phoenix.
Yes, I believe so.
Dear God.
I mean, you know, we're not dealing with sane and rational actors here.
You know, there's been a lot of talk.
Is Iran an irrational actor?
We have very irrational actors right here.
Iran has to be more rational than the person who wrote this article.
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Chip Roy is running for Attorney General of the great state of Texas.
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Welcome back to the show, sir.
Hey, great to be on, guys.
Hope you're doing well.
Absolutely.
I want to read a tweet here from Bill Melusion.
He said, breaking acting TSA Administrator Miss Ha Nguyen McNeil testifies that currently TSA is suffering the longest wait lines in agency history with callout rates hitting 40 to 50 percent at some airports and more than 400 employees have quit since the shutdown began.
There is over $1 billion in paychecks outstanding.
What are we doing here, Chip?
Well, what's happening here is Democrats are trying to leverage and hold hostage the American people to try to score political points, which is somewhat ironic because I don't know how they're scoring political points with anybody other than the very invaders and proponents of sanctuary cities that they're standing alongside.
Look, my only gripe is I think Republicans need to do a better job on the Hill of painting the picture that it is Democrats that is causing this issue.
We've got to go on offense that Democrats are making the lives of the American people miserable.
I had friends in Houston.
I think you saw probably on social media.
Hopefully you didn't experience it yourself.
Friends of mine did in Houston that were four and five and six hour waits.
They missed their flights, spent overnight in the airport.
This stuff is having a real impact on Americans.
Meanwhile, Democrats are wanting to saddle up with the very people who are causing the issue.
So we've got to just keep our foot on the gas.
I don't really love what I was hearing come out of the Senate about some sort of, you know, well, let's fund DHS all except for ICE.
Look, Democrats are saying that we shouldn't have ICE out there enforcing the law and removing dangerous aliens.
And for that, they want to make Americans wait in line and not be able to go travel around the country.
Let's make them own it and let's stand up for ICE.
Let's not try to give them a hall pass and an off-ramp to deal with ICE.
Yeah, so, you know, you keep hearing from the Democrats that, hey, we've offered these standalone TSA funding bills to get that off the table.
What do you make of that allegation, that approach that they're taking?
Is it true?
What's not true?
Why would we not take that, et cetera?
Well, look, first of all, we isolated DHS when we funded government except for DHS, right?
And then now you're getting into DHS.
And so they're leaving all these other things unfunded.
Thankfully, we had money sitting there in the big, beautiful bill.
We thought ahead last year had the money that we're able to use for ICE and Border Patrol, but that's leaving TSA and FEMA and Coast Guard, other entities, Secret Service, other things that are left holding the bag.
So look, my view is the more you keep isolating it down, the more you're giving Democrats the ability to say, yeah, we're going to hold ICE hostage, right?
We're going to stop enforcement and interior enforcement.
I think we need to say, wait a minute, our job is to fund the Department of Homeland Security.
Don't let them whittle that down.
We should be standing up and saying, look, we're going to fund DHS.
And we're doing that.
We're sending them bills.
And the Senate ought to just keep forcing the votes on them and make them own it.
I'm not in favor of whittling it down.
That being said, whatever we need to do to try to do our job to make sure we keep people safe and get TSA doing their job, I'm willing to have all the conversations we need to.
We're trying to responsibly govern.
The president's trying to make sure we're dealing with RAN, that we're doing our job here, that we're defending the homeland, and Democrats are playing politics with it.
So we're all trying to figure out how to break them.
Yeah, I completely agree.
You give them so much leverage, by the way, Chip, if you give them, if you start whittling it down and giving them one other pet project to then debate that.
So I completely agree with you, Congressman.
So let's turn our attention to the Save Act.
You've been one of the leaders on the Save America Act.
It seems like, you know, I called it failure theater in the Senate.
I feel like that's where we're still at.
You've got great patriots like Mike Lee that are fighting with everything they've got.
And I think he's coming out looking like an absolute rock star here.
What is your assessment of the progress being made or not being made on the Save America Act?
Well, I think you were about to say fighting like heck again.
And, you know, look, yeah, that's, and that's perfect for my good, my good Mormon friend, Mike Lee, who's the only time he gets salty language is when he's around bad influences.
But Mike is a great American, one of my best friends here.
He's doing a fantastic job, along with our mutual friend, Cleta Mitchell, who's one of the great minds behind this bill.
He and I worked together two years ago.
I think I remember I saw earlier somebody retweeted one of Charlie's tweets from the summer of 24, where he said he agreed with Elon and Elon was an early supporter of the bill we'd introduced to say, guys, we should just guarantee that we know that only American citizens are voting, clean up the voter rolls, ensure we have processes to check citizenship.
And Charlie was an early supporter and adopter of promoting the SAVE Act.
We obviously added voter ID, made the Save America Act.
It's a great bill.
We've got it through the House.
Mike is pushing it hard.
And is it failure theater?
Yes.
Right now, if you look at what they're doing, there's a certain element to that.
But I would say the fact that we've now been on it for eight, nine days in the Senate and we forced them through the weekend and we've got the leader and everybody trying to figure out what to do means we're actually forcing them to do their job.
Normally, they just kind of shrug it off and go give a press conference.
So all of the work, all that Scott Pressler is doing, all that you guys are doing, all the effort by Elon and everybody to elevate this and Mike Lee and then us in the House and the president.
Let's be very clear.
The president has been a loud voice for this.
I think everybody in America is saying, guys, get it done.
And look, I'm a message to Garcia guy.
I don't know if you've read that old piece.
It's a great piece about, hey, get it done.
I don't care how you do it.
Get it done.
That's what the American people want.
They don't want to know about all the mess.
Just deliver it.
So that's my message to the senators.
You figured out how to get it done.
Let's go do it.
But no more excuses.
Yeah, I agree with that.
And it's interesting.
You brought up Elon.
And, you know, maybe people would find this interesting, but, you know, I've heard stories of Elon being presented, some of this data behind the scenes.
And, you know, Elon's a guy that's used to looking at software.
He's used to looking at data.
He's used to looking at physical hardware as well.
And he's assessed it.
And there's a reason why a guy like Elon Musk knows that this is existential to the future of the Republic.
So I don't have any more details to share than that, other than when a guy like Elon looks at the data and the information and the evidence set and says this is existential, you should probably take his word for that.
And so, yeah, we got to get this done.
You know, one other question on this, because I want to pivot to, we'll keep this short, but I know Senator Mike Lee is not in favor of doing this via reconciliation.
You're not in the Senate, but what's your take on reconciliation, something that Senator Kennedy is pushing versus getting it done, talking filibuster or whatever?
Again, I'm somebody who's always willing to sit down at a table and find a way to succeed and to deliver.
We did it on the Big Beautiful Bill, right?
There are a lot of things in there, moving parts.
I fought hard to get rid of Green New Scam subsidies.
Side note, by the way, a bunch of leftists from Burbank, California ran a million dollars of ads against me in a Republican primary because they wanted to end my career because I was fighting so hard in the Green New Scam subsidies, which is one of the key things that President Ramo.
I bring that up because, look, when you go through all of this, I will find a way to get it done.
If we can do it on reconciliation, great.
But color me skeptic, right?
Because last year we got shut down by the rulings of the parliamentarian in the Senate that you can do this kind of thing through it.
I think Republicans in the Senate are looking for an off-ramp to move down the field and then say they did something when they tie some issue with voter ID or they say, well, we'll only give you a certain amount of funding if you do XYZ.
None of that will force the recalcitrant blue states to actually do their job of ensuring that only citizens are voting.
None of it will, I think, clear it up so that we can overturn the ruling that says that states like Arizona can't check voter rolls.
You all know Arizona well.
They actually have to run two election sets of data.
They're able to check for citizenship for state and local elections, but they can't for federal.
So they have to run two because of federal rules and regulations and the laws.
So we need to change the law.
Hard to do that on reconciliation.
I think that's sort of a, you know, I don't want to say gaslighting, but I do think that a little bit of it is finding an off-ramp to say, oh, yeah, we'll do that.
And it's a little bit of a headpat.
Yeah, I mean, it's amazing to me how much of the power rests with the Senate parliamentarian.
And there is a, it seems to be a divergence of beliefs of whether you could get it through the parliamentarian.
You could structure it in such a way that it would get through a reconciliation bill.
But then if it goes through reconciliation, there's no chance of getting this implemented in time for the midterms.
There's a lot of questions of whether or not it could be implemented for the midterms.
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You have an issue here, Congressman, that is near and dear to Blake Neff's heart.
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You're speaking his love language.
Yes.
Yes, indeed.
I mean, it's we've seen over and over.
I was telling Andrew, there's a classic headline.
I think it was from the New York Times, but I'm not sure, but where the headline was, prison population surge despite fall in crime.
And I think we were going through another wave that's happened two or three times even in our lifetimes of us reminding ourselves that the best way to stop crime is to put a pretty tiny number of people just behind bars for good, because there are some people who, if they are free, will do crimes.
Bring break the three strikes rule.
That's what I'm about.
But anyways.
So yeah, tell us about your bill.
Yeah, well, first of all, you know, look, I'm 53 years old.
I grew up in the 80s and high school, 90s in college.
I saw DC when it was just an absolute cesspool, you know, and then New York City, obviously, when it was very dangerous.
And then we actually, you know, through broken glass, through all the different policies that, you know, Mayor Giuliani and others carried out in the DC, we actually started getting this country into a pretty good spot.
And we were putting criminals in jail and we were going after ways to stop judges who were putting people back out on the street, right?
So that's what happened when we came in and we had three strikes you're out.
We had, you know, mandatory sentences in order to step in front of judges who weren't doing their job.
Well, then, you know, things got pretty good.
It's a pretty safe country.
And then you heard, and you just noted it, this is really important.
You noted about, you know, well, who's in jail?
You kept hearing people say, well, gosh, 3 million people in jail in the United States, more than any other country.
Like, well, yeah, that might have something to do with why we're a pretty safe country.
So what happened was everybody said, well, let's start letting some of these folks out and let's go back to sort of stops on crime policies.
Well, guess what?
Crime's been spiking.
Now we've got judges putting criminals on the streets.
Crime Stoppers in Houston said that there have been 220 Houstonians who were murdered by multiple time felons who had been in and out and in and out of jail and being arrested and let free by judges.
220 Houstonians murdered.
That's insane.
That's Texas.
That's not DC.
That's not San Francisco.
It's not New York.
It's Texas.
This is one of the reasons I'm running for attorney general.
I introduced this bill federally to restore three strikes, which have been watered down through various sentencing guidelines, changes over the years.
And I want to restore a really better model for three strikes in year out that really focuses on felons who engage in dangerous criminal activity.
So what's the point?
How does it work?
Well, what we do is we change the point system so that now it's structured so that if you've got significant felonies and you've engaged in dangerous crimes, then you get a full point.
And then there's quarter points for other criminal activity, misdemeanors, and other things to try to account for the concerns that people had raised.
Like, well, we have people who are three strikes because they just sold some pot.
Like, hold on.
We're going to minimize that relative to the more dangerous crimes and the, you know, where you're engaging in crimes with a weapon, where you're engaging in dangerous crimes.
And then we will change the model so that we can have an actual return to a three strikes type policy.
So it's basically going after the career criminals in a way that'll restore it because it's been getting watered down by virtue of people saying, well, don't go bust them because, you know, they had one pot sale once.
Well, I mean, I completely agree.
And by the way, cashless bail is an abomination, sir.
So we got to do something about that.
Does your bill address that?
This bill does not, but we absolutely need to deal with cashless bail.
And that's, you know, more of a state and local issue on that issue.
And it's one of the things that obviously is the attorney general that I'd be fully supporting changing.
You're reminding me of this clip, and I don't have it loaded yet, but there was a 2023 clip from MPD Chief Robert Conte.
So out of D.C., he's now retired, but he said the average homicide suspect has been arrested 11 times prior to committing a homicide.
11 times in D.C.
Well, it's one of those things.
You know, my first legal job was actually in the office of attorney general, and I worked in the prosecutor's assistance division, and I worked in what we call the, it's now called the habeas division, which is where we would go to appeals and we'd fight to leave, you know, keep people in jail or to go ahead and execute them through capital punishment.
And people ask me all the time, it's like, well, what do you think about that?
You know, what if you get the wrong guy?
I'm like, okay, look at their rap sheets.
Like, I'd go through and look at these guys and I'd pull out their rap sheets and they would be this long, right?
Of just felony, assault, rape, you know, theft, you know, maybe a previous murderer that they've been released on.
Like these were the worst of the worst.
And, you know, at that time, the early 2000s, we were doing a pretty good job of keeping them in jail or carrying out capital punishment.
We moved the other way, even in Texas.
And as a result, we now have increased crime.
And I saw that clip before we over the segment change of Charlie talking about, hey, I think D.C. will be a safer place if we get the National Guard in there, if the president gets his way.
And guess what?
D.C. is a much better place than it was a year ago when we had spiking crime and we had members of Congress, staffers who were getting assaulted, some who are getting shot and killed.
It's such a basic thing.
Very rarely does someone start with a severe crime.
They start with lesser ones.
If you enforce your basic laws, you'll have fewer murders, fewer rapes, fewer severe assaults.
And I'm glad you mentioned the death penalty because I know, frankly, that's an important dimension of this as well.
We've seen the power.
Yeah, we've seen the pattern of the left, which is, among other things, just if you get rid of the death penalty, they immediately move on to what we've seen in California, where now anyone with a life sentence who's over 50 can get parole for being elderly.
And so we're seeing these serial child abductors and rapists being released at an age where they could still easily offend again.
So even in Texas, though, I know the number of executions has gone down over time.
Can you tell us, do you have any plan to make sure that when someone is sentenced to death for a heinous crime, they will actually face accountability for it?
Yeah, one of the things you do as attorney general is you're in charge of the capital litigation division, the habeas division, to ensure that bad guys stay in jail or their, you know, the execution is carried out.
When I was the first assistant attorney general, I went Down and with the attorney general, and we witnessed an execution of a cop killer, met with the families, uh, you know, met with the police officers who all came there.
And it's important, and people don't understand this is an important part of punishment, and it's it's where it's appropriate, it should be carried out.
Look, we need bad guys to be in jail, we need the worst offenders to be removed entirely.
I'm in favor of capital punishment for our worst offenders.
We need to make sure that we secure our border regardless of who's in the White House.
That's another reason I'm running for attorney general.
You can't assume Donald Trump in perpetuity, and all of that stuff added up with cartels, gang members, criminals on the streets, all of the leftists and the Marxists who are carrying out the Arabella Network and the Wren Collective, and all of these groups that are funded, by the way, by our tax dollars, by outside dollars, by George Soros.
The Office of Attorney General has an enormous amount of power to open their books, and we should open them.
And we should also open the books of the groups that are pushing Islam.
Not just CARE, not just the Muslim Brotherhood, but all of the groups that are trying to Islamify Texas.
As Attorney General, Texas is not going to become an Islamic state.
Texas is going to be safe and secure.
Criminals will be behind bars.
We're going to make sure that gang members are not on the streets and our borders secure.
Amen.
Well, it's the biggest Attorney General office in a red state in the country.
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Thanks, guys.
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Joining us in studio, I don't know.
These segments do numbers.
You guys love it when we have students on.
And so we have another student in studio this time, all the way from Laramie, Wyoming.
And that's Gabe Saint.
He's our chapter president of TPUSA up at the University of Wyoming.
Welcome.
Thanks for having me, guys.
A little bit different vibe than yesterday.
We had two gals in from ASU that had like nice clothes and pretty hair.
And I'm just saying, now we got a perfect man with boots on and you know, kind of have the cowboy vibe and all that stuff.
How are you doing?
How are we doing?
I'm doing good.
It's a little hot here.
I'm not used to it.
Well, it's going to be a lot hotter.
Well, actually, we're going to dip back down into normal seasonal norms.
And you know, there's like 104 here.
There's 104 here on Sunday.
And we looked back.
It broke the record.
And the previous record was 94 or something like that set in the 90s.
So it's been a hot spell.
So, Gabe, tell us about what life is like as the chapter president of TPUSA in Wyoming.
Because you'd think culturally be a little different.
Do you have hostilities?
Has the chapter exploded in recent months?
Tell us about it.
Yeah, you know, you think that being at the University of Wyoming, we're the deepest red state in the country.
Trump's won our state by more than it, by a higher percentage than any other state.
Yeah, UW, it's not the most friendly place towards conservatives.
Never has been.
It's kind of that one lone two blue spots in Wyoming.
You got Jackson and Laramie, College Town.
So, yeah, I mean, right after the assassination, like a kid in our student newspaper said that it was a duty to shoot conservatives, and like there were the celebrations on campus.
They published that?
They published that, yeah.
And yeah, that was quoted in the student newspaper.
And we had all sorts of stuff happen right after that event.
And so it's kind of wild.
Chapter's huge.
We're the only four-year university in the state.
So it's kind of like where all of Turning Point in Wyoming coalesces is in Laramie.
So, yeah.
How big is the chapter grown?
In our weekly meetings, we get anywhere from 30 to 50 people.
So that's big.
And then when we hosted Charlie, we had 25% of the student body sign up.
Yeah, I saw that.
That was remarkable.
Yeah, it was huge.
It was the biggest political event in the state of Wyoming since Trump came and campaigned against Liz Cheney.
It's the only reason Trump will come to the state of Wyoming.
Well, you got it.
You can't have Democrats representing Wyoming.
You absolutely can't.
You know, and it was interesting.
I remember a couple speeches that Charlie gave in Wyoming, and he was like, You guys think you have it all good here right now?
But there are forces that will insinuate themselves, often with an arm next to their name, that will dismantle the good things that are going on in the state of Wyoming.
Yeah, we have a huge rhino problem in the state of Wyoming.
Our Supreme Court.
Yeah, our Supreme Court just made abortion legal up until birth in the state of Wyoming.
And you didn't think that happened in Wyoming.
They brutalized an amendment we passed to combat against Obamacare and said, hey, this means you can now abort your baby.
And so it's crazy.
Last election cycle, our Freedom Caucus took the majority in our House of Representatives, and there's going to be a huge rhino clapback.
They're going to try to, but I think we'll combat it.
Interesting.
Yeah, and I think it's, you know, a lot of people think this kind of stuff is limited to blue states or whatever.
It's coming for you in a red state.
And the fact that the student newspaper at the University of Wyoming, what's the total population of Wyoming?
Like 560,000.
Okay.
It's mostly a rural state.
Laramie.
Yeah, Laramie is the largest city in Wyoming, correct?
No, so our capital, Cheyenne, is.
I think we're like, we're in the top five, though, Laramie.
I think Cheyenne, Casper, what's the population, though, in that?
Laramie's like 36,000 people.
Okay, so 36,000 people, but it's got this college edge.
And you're getting somebody with the audacity to write that it's the duty to shoot conservatives.
How that's not incitement directly, by the way, is beyond me.
You're the expert on the incitement rules, but it's a specific targeting of people, specific method of killing people.
So we need at least two out of three of a specific time, place, manner.
I can't believe that the newspaper would do that.
All right, so let's talk about the issues facing young conservatives on campus.
All right.
What is the vibe in Wyoming, young conservatives, when it comes to Iran?
I think that, you know, the kids in Laramie, the kids in Wyoming, I think they're kind of like the kids across the rest of the country.
They're really questioning the war.
Why are we there?
Like, even I'm in that spot.
You know, I went on a Turning Point Israel trip, and it's just kind of hard to win the debate on campus.
And I think that's where a lot of Turning Point students are.
It's like, how do we win the debate?
And I think it's as we said, where we're a little concerned the administration, even where there is an argument to be made, they haven't aggressively made it.
We've seen these hype videos and stuff, but there was this extended buildup.
And even in the days before, I don't know that they were coming out and saying, here is the reason Iran is a bigger threat than they were even last summer, let alone years ago.
Right.
Yeah, and I think that's a good point.
I mean, there's a case to be made, but we were critical in the early days that we didn't feel that the case had been successfully made.
I think the admin then came back.
You saw this from Marco and some others explaining the rationale.
But the truth is, you know, and I've been honest about this, people don't like to hear it.
The kids don't like the Iran war, right?
It could be the geopolitical national security right call, but it is a political loser with Gen Z. There's kind of no doubt about that.
Yeah, and I think you guys are right.
I just don't think that the case has been made with Iran.
I think, like, I've been alive for 23 years.
Our country's been at war in the Middle East all our lives, all my life, and we've just gotten nothing but trillions of dollars in debt, dead soldiers, soldiers that come back with PTSD that ruins homes and families.
We haven't gotten any oil.
And I think, like, my generation, we came like politically conscious when Trump ran in 2015, 2016.
And so, like, he lives in our head rent-free, talking about no more foreign wars.
And, like, kind of like how the old Gen Xers and boomers are with Reagan.
Like, they still think like, you know, he's the mantra of the day.
And so that just lives in our head.
And, like, when we're on campus and we're trying to justify, you know, the administration and defend, you know, Trump, people poke holes in our ideology and they just point out the ideological consistencies.
And, like, I was tabling two weeks ago talking about Iran and talking about their nuclear program.
But these guys that were right-wing were saying, well, they're nuclear hedging, just like South Korea and Taiwan and Japan.
They have a robust nuclear program to deter China, who's a nuclear threat.
So it's just hard.
No, and I agree.
I mean, listen, we can't speak for Charlie because he's not here, and it would be wrong to do that.
What I can say is that I watched the process unfold when it came to Midnight Hammer.
And Charlie wanted to err on the side of avoiding foreign conflicts.
There's no doubt.
He was anti-interventionist mostly.
But he also was willing to give President Trump the benefit of the doubt in the sense that he has not gotten us embroiled in foreign conflicts, forever wars, quagmires.
I would not describe what's going on in Iran as a quagmire.
And ultimately, this is why we got President Trump elected, is to make tough decisions in tough situations.
And he makes tough calls.
These are impossible decisions where you're between a rock and a hard place where there isn't necessarily an easy answer, right?
And so peace through strength only works, by the way, if you're willing to use that strength.
Now, history and time will tell whether or not this was the right choice.
But you've got to give President Trump some due that he has been the one president in our current modern American history that has not gotten us embroiled in a foreign conflict and a forever war.
So this is a foreign conflict.
But his track record thus far has been pretty good.
We'll see how it works out on this.
But I think that's a really fair point that it's just it does put you in a position where even guys like Charlie were out there saying he's the peace president, selling President Trump as the peace president.
And now it's more difficult to defend that.
And that's a really, really fair point.
Okay, so how many times a week do you table?
We table anytime between one and four times a week.
All right, one and four times a week.
What are the main things that you're hearing from students when you're tabling?
What are the biggest issues?
Yeah, I think obviously we just talked about Iran.
A lot of free speech stuff.
That's been a big topic on our campus for the last three years.
University of Wyoming just adopted the Chicago principles, basically.
So we have free speech protections on campus.
Epstein, obviously, kind of like all the controversial stuff that you see on the Instagram reels and X.
Yeah.
So top issues.
So when you're asked about Israel, for example, is that mostly coming from a left-wing faction or a right-wing faction?
A little bit of both, maybe?
A little bit of both.
I would say it more comes from a right-wing side.
Our campus is definitely majority conservative with the students on campus.
And so we are actually trying to, I don't know, bring more right-wing kids, but they think that we're pretty moderate turning point on campus, probably a little different from other campuses.
So we're considered the radicals on those campuses.
So it's a little odd, but we have some good conversations at tabling.
Epstein was a big one for a while, but that kind of died off.
We have a lot of talk about energy in our state.
That's always a big thing, always being talked about because we're a big coal capital.
We have a lot of controversy over wind farms and stuff.
Don't let them.
What about immigration rhetoric?
Do you ever run into a huge one?
Do you say they need migrants to work as ranch hands or anything?
Yeah, you know, no, not really.
If there's anything that the right-wing kids on campus think that we're all right on is immigration.
I mean, we're a bunch of moratoriumists.
Yeah, fair enough.
When you guys have your meetings, do you see, are the meetings divided?
Do you feel like there's factions?
Oh, yeah, there's huge factions.
We've been doing this cultural debate series where we talked about feminism and the simpery that's present among young men.
And that's super controversial.
Yeah.
So talking about feminism, there's kind of like this weird thing, you know, among conservatives.
And like we have this trad LARPing culture thing going on where everybody wants to make like sourdough bread and have a little farmhouse.
And like yeah, yeah.
And I think that's a great thing, but how much is that real?
And like, I don't remember who said it, but I made this proposition that was like, well, we want these like trad wives and stuff, and these young women want to be trad wives.
But when it comes down to it, they're kind of like just crypto feminists because they want their husbands to have all the responsibility, but no authority in the household or over the family.
So it's just very odd and trying to like kind of poke holes in the thinking, make people think and ask questions about what they believe.
And then like the young men, they're just like simps.
Like they just, and we got to get rid of that.
We need men to be leaders.
I mean, completely.
No sim thing.
Men need to be the leader of the household.
You need to get your kids and your wife to church, and you need to be the breadwinner.
You know, this is, by the way, I've said this before.
I'm stealing the line from somebody else, but men are like trucks.
They will be squirrely all over the road if there's not a load on them.
And you put the load in the back of the bed, they'll drive straight as an arrow.
So men, you have strong shoulders for a reason.
You need to be loaded up with responsibility.
And that's a good thing.
You're going to have a life of purpose and of meaning and of productivity.
And so, yeah, but there's this cultural element that says because of feminism, because women expect, there's a sense at least that a lot of women expect all the money, all the provision without any of the authority, that they're just opting out of this whole vibe.
So what's the vibe on marriage on campus?
You know, I think that's probably one of the more controversial things.
Like in my chapter, is like a lot of the young men question whether it's worth it.
And the young women, they expect their men in a weird way to be simps.
And that's where there's a lot of controversy, and that's where you kind of see the factions.
A lot of the young women expect they're just like, like they're men to worship them, and it's kind of weird.
Just define simps for our audience over 23.
Yeah, for the boomers out there, basically simply just like kind of like just worshiping and like you revolve around your girlfriend or your wife.
You kind of cater to them always.
Not a lot of, you have all this responsibility and you just kind of do whatever they say.
And it's not about being the rock of your relationship and being centered in crime.
Yeah, I mean, listen, this is a huge problem, by the way, for people at home that maybe aren't internalizing this, but the divide between young men and young women about expectations when it comes to a relationship is actually a huge cultural problem.
And we've got to get to the root of it because women need to start celebrating masculine men, strong men, men that can lead, men that can be productive, fathers and husbands and entrepreneurs.
And there is an expectation that's placed on young men like yourself that it's sort of all about the boss, babe.
We've got to like put the woman on the pedestal, treat her like a princess, expect nothing out of her.
I think that's really, really unhealthy.
And I'm not saying all women believe this, but there is enough of them where it becomes a, I guess, like a cultural phenomenon, right?
And that's kind of what you're feeling as a young men, right?
Yeah, yeah.
You know, like the young men, a lot of them, and if you go to like Amfest and SAS, we talk about it.
Like these young men, they get involved in the faith and they end up going to like really old forms of Christianity, like Catholicism.
Orthodox.
That's a weird one.
Men Will Be Men00:03:41
I don't know.
Form theology.
Yeah, like I became Presbyterian because of it.
So yeah.
Yeah.
So do you see a lot of friction between the sexes on campus?
Oh, yeah.
Really?
Even conservatives.
Even conservatives, yeah.
So you're saying even conservative women are not, they don't understand kind of what a man is or a masculine man is.
They want you to be simps too.
Yeah, and I think that's just kind of when you look at these cultural phenomenons is that usually the men kind of start somewhere and it takes a little bit for the young women to get there too.
And I think it mostly comes of just both sides not understanding each other is that these young men have become way more right-wing and way Christian really fast over the last five years.
And so I just think there's a little bit of a divide and I think it'll catch up.
I think women, like biologically, they do feel attraction to assertive men and confident men, like men on a mission.
And so you have to hope that if men are shifting in that direction, as you say, that they'll win over women in their wake.
And Charlie was a big believer in that.
That's what I think, too.
I think if men lead, women will follow.
That's a controversial thing to say in today's age, but it shouldn't be.
That's the way that God designed men to be leaders, men to be strong.
Women need to celebrate that, not fight it.
And I think you're totally right.
I don't care what a woman says.
Women are drawn to strong men.
Yeah.
They do not want beta males.
Also, I would just like to say, our viewers like the fact that we explained what a simp was.
Thank you.
I am a boomer.
I did not know what that was.
Yeah.
Well, listen, Gabe, I think you're doing great work.
Everybody says that University of Wyoming is thriving under your leadership.
This is your senior year, though, right?
I'm actually a first-year law student now.
So how's that work?
Are you going to keep leading the chapter?
Yeah, I ain't giving it up.
Are you developing leaders underneath you?
Yeah.
A lot of freshmen this year because of everything that's happened.
So yeah, it'll be good.
All right.
Well, good.
Well, we've got to get Turning Point back out to Wyoming.
That seems like fertile ground.
We've got to keep Wyoming deep, deep, deep, deep red.
Yes.
Well, Gabe Saint, glad you could make it.
It's been a pleasure.
And apparently you're a fan favorite.
So good job.
Yeah, thanks for having me, guys.
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I mean, it's one of the reasons people love Charlie so much.
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Representation And Identity Matters00:09:39
All right.
Without further ado, Alex Marlowe, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News, joins us now, also host of the Alex Marlowe Show.
Welcome, my friend.
It's good to have you.
It's in times like these that we need our trusted voices to rally around and make sense of the world.
But I got kind of a fun one for you.
So this is stranger than fiction.
Actually, it's not.
It's completely predictable for California.
The University of Southern California has abruptly canceled a California gubernatorial debate just hours before it was set to air Monday.
Why?
Because all six qualifying candidates were white.
Alex, you know California well.
I just, I couldn't resist.
I mean, it's not like front page news, but it's really important just to like get into the psyche of the left.
And this, are you surprised?
I have a feeling.
I'm actually surprised all the top candidates are white.
I mean, this state, it feels like there's not that many white people left.
I know you have a lot of white people.
You go walk around California and you kind of go, where did all the white people go?
Where did all the whites go?
No, I was just commenting on how it seems like a lot of the people who are part of the golden age of California have kind of left the state for anywhere.
It's a lefties sometimes leave and go to Canada, places like that.
And then righties, we go to Florida, we go to Texas, we go to Arizona, we go to places like that.
So yeah, it's actually very shocking that this is the case, but it also illuminates at a more serious cultural level the fact that the left has for years now, probably were a solid decade.
You can maybe trace this to the first time Donald Trump was elected in 2016 to when this way they had that psychological break.
They have no longer care about standards at all.
They don't care about excellence.
They don't care about a track record.
They care about representation and identity.
So if you don't have one of those boxes to check, if you don't have brown skin or you're LGBTQ, three spirit, four spirit, furry, whatever it is that you are, or you don't have some sort of a strange heritage that you can call upon, then you should not be in a position of power in this country.
This is how people look at things.
And it's not just in places like government.
It's places like book publishing where they have these sensitivity readers now that are reading books to make sure that the representation is done in the proper way.
It's peak wokeness.
We are not past the woke moment.
We are still in it in blue parts of the country.
And this is a very clear example of this.
And it's just great to watch the progressives eat themselves alive, though, I got to admit.
So I have a theory that California would be totally on board with mass deportations if it was white people.
100%.
This is essentially what their policies are designed to do, by the way.
I mean, it's just like every time they get actually very angry, anytime a white person would be a refugee from another country, like they'll move heaven earth.
It's just 100% obvious in everything they do.
They just, they don't like white people.
So we have to play a clip from Charlie asking the question about has any institution been better off because of DEI?
SOT 24.
You're thinking that DEI is versus excellence?
I think DEI is for excellence.
Show me one institution that got better the more it embraced DEI.
One institution that got better that embraced DEI?
That got smarter, more competitive, leaner, more productive, and that was better than it was 10 years ago.
Are our airports more efficient?
Are we landing planes better?
Are our airlines better?
Is our government better?
Is our schools better?
Is our universities better?
I mean, show me one example.
Is our public health authorities better?
Show me one institution that's embraced DEI that has become better, more excellent than it was 20 years ago.
It doesn't exist.
DEI will destroy an institution from within.
It's almost like he's talking specifically about California there.
And by the way, I was at that event.
That was at UC Riverside.
So I remember that.
I hate to be dark about it, but that's why they killed him.
I mean, there's just so devastating.
You cannot come back from that argument and that it just gives you chills.
It strikes fear of God into people on the left because they can't defend that argument.
Their defense of that argument would be that DEI is the end in and of itself, that having better representation is the goal.
It's not excellence.
It's not progress.
It's not making us all happier or more powerful or wealthier or bigger leaders on the world stage.
No, the goal is to have more representation.
That's how the left looks at things.
That is the goal in and of itself.
And that is just so far away from anything our founders stood for.
Any of you who abide by Judeo Christian principles, there's nothing like that that you could draw off of.
And people like you and me, guys, like people with conservative values, this is so far afield for us.
But that's how they think in the city and this state.
Well, and compare and contrast that now, what's going on in Texas with the Democrat candidate for Senate, James Talrico, who has apologized for being white.
He's apologized for, you know, the sin.
He's so in touch with his privilege, right?
And now he's got this whole like vegan scandal, which is hilarious.
But it's interesting that you have a canceled debate in California because everybody's white.
Whereas in Texas, they're very excited that James Talrico's white.
This is why James Colbert got behind him and didn't want to platform Crockett, right?
She was not out of central casting for a state like Texas.
They don't care what color you are.
They care that you're the right color for the right context.
That's what James Talrico proves.
Yeah, they cast James Tallerico and they found a guy who claims he's a Christian, who speaks confidently about the Bible.
Apparently he knows nothing about it, but he does speak about it with confidence.
He went to the Lego store and he got one of those giant hair pieces and he popped it onto his head.
I have no idea how he got hair like that.
It does look like a Lego piece.
Am I right, guys?
I mean, that's what it looks like.
And so he's out there.
He says he's not going to eat barbecue in Texas.
It's like I dream in the middle of the night.
I wish I was in Texas eating Texas barbecue.
And he's there and he's against it.
Like, no, no Texas barbecue for me.
This is going to get me elected.
It's all because it is diversity because that is a diversity representation of the left in the state of Texas.
You wouldn't see a guy like that representing a left-wing position.
And they use that to get attention, to get donor dollars.
And to this point, it's been kind of effective.
Yeah, I mean, it's going to be interesting, too.
And I keep looking for updates from that race because remember, President Trump on the Republican side of the aisle said he was going to endorse.
Then he held back because I think he was kind of looking for a deal on the Save America Act, a break the filibuster or whatever.
But we've endorsed Ken Paxton on this side.
The dig against Ken is that he can't win a statewide race in a general and a competitive race.
The guy's done it three times, by the way.
Last time in, it was, I think he won by 10 points.
Yeah, it looked like you were about to chime in, Alex.
Don't let me.
Yeah, yeah, I love Ken Paxton, and I want to speak to this because this has been so heartening to me.
And it was one of the few, there's a lot of discouraging things in the news right now.
But we've always loved Ken Paxton at Breitbart.
He's a true fighter.
He's good on immigration guns, all the usual stuff.
But he's even great on big tech.
He's been one of the leaders fighting against the Silicon Valley Masters of the universe, making sure that they play fairly as they control so much of our information in this country and the flow of information.
And so he really is a leader.
And I thought that maybe Trump was going to endorse Cornyn because he thought Cornyn was a better general election candidate.
But Trump's probably looking at it.
He's seeing that this is an off-year election, that there's a lot of people in the conservative movement who are not super fired up at the moment.
And he sees a Ken Paxton who's going to motivate base voters more.
Maybe now he's seeing that as a safer bet in a midterm election.
And I love that because that gives us a chance here getting Ken Paxton in, who would be a terrific senator if he wins.
Well, exactly.
And I mean, you cannot back the guys that have been the thorn in your side for years.
I mean, there's just no doubt about it.
John Cornyn does not really like President Trump.
I remember John Cornyn was a known saboteur of President Trump's agenda back in 2017 when he first took office.
I remember that because at Fox, we were getting leaks from his staff about how bad it was way back then.
And we've talked about needing to modernize the Republican Party.
And, you know, people always say, like, how will the Senate get better?
And it's just going to happen as all these old guard guys who have never liked the changes since 2015, they have to be transitioned out.
And if we elect Cornyn again, okay, he's still around into the 2030s.
Yeah.
You still have this guy representing Texas who everyone knows wants amnesty and wants endless interventionism.
Yeah, well, I mean, we got rid of Romney, but then you get Curtis.
That was kind of like a wash.
And so you got to get Nate Morris in Kentucky.
You got to get Paxton in Texas.
There's a couple races like that where you can get these huge upgrades.
But here, by the way, the team pulled one of these Talrico videos that are just too obnoxious not to play at least one.
Sot 29.
For me, prophetic voices like Jesus have helped me reckon with my own whiteness, my own masculinity, my own certainty, my own ego.
It's a never-ending process and it's a painful process.
I'm sure it was really painful for James Talrico to reckon with his own masculinity.
And by the way, the way he talks about Jesus is a prophetic void.
No, Jesus is your like God.
He's your Lord.
Like, it just felt, I don't know.
That part actually bothers me.
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All right, Alex, I want to turn our gaze to Israel.
Not Israel, Iran, which Israel's.
They're pretty connected.
They're pretty connected right now.
So Iran, this is a headline from the Daily Mail right now.
It's breaking.
Iran rejects Trump's peace plan.
And it says 7,000 strong U.S. ground invasion force amasses on Tehran's doorstep.
Okay, so let's just give you the details here.
Says Donald Trump is massing a 7,000 strong ground invasion force.
This is their words.
I wouldn't say the Department of War would necessarily say it this way.
After the Islamic regime snubbed a 15-point peace plan.
Again, it's difficult to get details out of this.
I want to focus on the ground portion of this, the ground troops.
Pentagon Chiefs ordered around 2,000 paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne Division to the Middle East last night to join some 4,500 Marines already en route to the region.
Now, Alex, you know, President Trump has not used ground forces, really, in either Trump 1.0 or 2.0.
This would be a massive new wrinkle in the entire calculus of Iran.
What do you make of this?
What are you hearing in your reporting?
And then let's talk about the political ramifications.
Yeah, I'm trying to connect some dots here, and I don't have any, I think, new hard and fast insight to add, but a couple of things that are important.
Trump's peace plan that he put out.
I just walked through this on the latest episode of the Alex Marlowe show, which should be out in a few minutes.
I go through all the points that Trump has.
They're all essentially repeats of what he put out last year.
He's just reestablishing to a little tougher degree the points he laid out in a letter to Iran a year ago where he said no more nuclear enrichment to weapons grade, no more ballistic missile, long-range ballistic missile development, and you can't fund tier proxies.
And they did all three of those things.
And he laid it out.
That's basically what he's establishing again: you can't do this stuff.
And they're a little tougher than last time, but it's basically the same thing.
And in exchange, you're going to get to do commerce.
We're going to have sanctions released.
You're going to be able to do business with the rest of the civilized world.
And that will be our reward to you so long as we can keep an eye on those three things.
Totally reasonable and legitimate and consistent with what Trump has done.
And Iran just says, of course, no, no deal, which is not a shock to me at all.
They feel like they are tough negotiators.
They're shrewd negotiators.
I know that it takes a long time to negotiate with Iran, that they have all sorts of layers of bureaucracy.
We don't even know who's leading the country.
It could be the stupid gay cardboard cutout.
We don't know.
Is it someone else?
No one really knows at this point.
And so it's tough to know exactly where they're at, but they're going to play hardball.
That doesn't strike me as a surprise.
With regards to the ground invasion, here's what I'm nervous about.
Just like you guys, I feel like that this is politically, ridiculously risky for Trump to do this.
And if nothing short of a devastating, declarative, definitive victory in short order would justify such a thing.
And that's really hard to pull off.
And in the meantime, more members of the coalition could be slipping.
And we're seeing the war is not particularly popular, not popular with anyone who doesn't support Trump.
And even a handful of people who do support Trump don't like the war.
There's a big AP pullout that we got up at Breitbart News today showing exactly that, which is a significant thing.
And he's got to be cautious of this.
And I'll tell you, where Trump in the past has built up troops, he ends up using them.
He built up all of those ships near Venezuela, then he got Maduro.
He built up all those ships in the Gulf, and then he got Khomeini.
And now, if he's building up ground truths, don't doubt him.
He's clearly willing to use them if he's building them up.
Yeah, the quote from a Trump aide, which they told Axios, Trump has a hand open for a deal, and the other is a fist waiting to punch you in the expletive face.
So I think anyway.
Listen, you know, Trump, yeah, I mean, it kind of reminds you of Marco Rubio's quote, right?
If you don't know, now you know.
And I think Trump, again, I agree with you.
If he's building up a force, he's probably going to be very prepared to use it.
And he said there is no line he's not willing to cross in order to get the mission achieved.
Tell us more about the AP poll because I think that's important for the audience to understand.
How is this war polling with the base?
Yeah, and so the deep concern with voters that the Americans are just not feeling the military involvement overall.
Most Americans are saying the military action against Iran has gone too far already, and that's pre-any boots on the ground.
The AP is a vested interest in Trump failing, but in general is slightly more responsible than average.
But this is logical to anyone who's paying attention because anyone who does not like Trump will never support any sort of military involvement with him.
And as you guys know full well, a lot of people in the new members of the MAGA coalition, people who are part of the more isolationist wing of the MAGA movement, they're not going to like this either.
So he's really competing for a pretty small swath of the pie in terms of convincing the public this is a good thing.
And could it lead to a long-standing peace if Trump draws the inside straight?
Yeah, I think it could.
And I trust him in a lot of ways.
But just noting that this is not going over all that great at home, this is a reality.
Well, we had a chapter president from the University of Wyoming on, and his name's Gabe Saint.
He said that one of the issues with the Iran war for him and his students when they table on campus is it's ideologically seems inconsistent with the pitch of President Trump as the peace president, right?
So they are at a disadvantage to defend it.
Final minute or so here, Alex.
How would you encourage our students to defend what's happening right now as best as you could?
Yeah, the first thing is that nuclear war is a legitimate threat, and people who have dismissed that are just inaccurate.
All the government has suggested that Iran was enriching too much.
And that's reality.
And Trump really does not want to be a wartime president.
He wants to be a peace president.
He's earned a lot of trust in this regard.
And over his first five plus years in his administration, he is watching the polls.
He's watching the markets.
He wants to wrap this thing up and get us back to building and prospering.
He thinks the key to winning over Iran, I believe, is to bring them into the fold economically.
He wants to compel them to do that.
He's clearly willing to show a force to do that.
He's done this with Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar.
He intends to do this with Iran.
Iran's just a tougher foe in this regard.
I think that's well said.
And I want to clip that up and make sure our students have it because I believe that that is the best defense right now.
That President Trump is very clear-eyed and open to this getting wrapped up very, very quickly.
He understands the political dynamics, the economic dynamics, and he wants to nation build here at home.
And I think he sees Iran as a very strategic node in a broader plan economically for the United States.
We got to pray it works out.
And hopefully it doesn't have to be an inside straight, Alex.
Alex Marlow, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News, host the Alex Marlowe Show.
We'll see you soon.
Thanks, guys.
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