Charlie Kirk and Alex Marlow dissect the South Pars Gas Field attack, warning that Iranian retaliation could spike global gasoline prices to $10. They critique Tulsi Gabbard's testimony regarding Joe Kent's classified leaks and condemn media groupthink for ignoring Kyle Rittenhouse's self-defense while amplifying bias against conservative figures like Zohran Mamdani. The episode concludes by exposing alleged extremist views within Mamdani's family and questioning the statistical validity of claims surrounding MAGA support, ultimately framing current events as a convergence of geopolitical instability and domestic media distortion. [Automatically generated summary]
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All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
It's March 19th, 2026.
We got to get right into this because a breaking news story over the evening was about a place I'd never heard of called South Pars Gas Field in Iran.
And here to help make some sense of it, right at the top is going to be Eric Bowling, who is an expert when it comes to these types of things.
Welcome to the show, Eric.
Hey, thanks, Andre.
Hey, Blake, what's going on, guys?
So let me just read part of Trump's truth, and we're going to get your analysis on this.
So he says, Israel, out of anger for what has taken place in the Middle East, has violently lashed out at a major facility known as South Pars Gas Field in Iran.
A relatively small section of the hole has been hit.
The United States knew nothing about this particular attack.
And the country of Qatar, Qatar, was in no way, shape, or form involved with it, nor did it have any idea that it was going to happen.
All right.
So this has now been, I would say, contradicted by Israeli officials that says actually the U.S. did know about it.
And there's a little bit of back and forth on that.
We're not sure what to make of this at this point.
I'm loath to call President Trump a liar.
So something's going on here.
Eric, do you have any insight as to what the true story here is?
Well, Andrew, I've been doing this for nearly 40 years.
The oil, I've been through Gulf Wars, I've been through massive geopolitical stresses in the Middle East.
And when it involves a producing country or countries in the Middle East, oil is always going to be at the center of it.
I'm positive, I know Pete Hex said very well, I'm positive.
Trump knew that any sort of attack on Iranian oil infrastructure would cause prices here in the United States to spike even further.
Any attack in the Middle East is going to do it.
But when you hit the oil infrastructure, it's a big mistake.
I doubt Trump would have sanctioned hitting an oil infrastructure in Iran.
In fact, Besson Today came out and said, look, we may even allow Iranian ships to navigate the Strait of Hormuz.
Now, look, this is a couple days after the fact.
However, the price shock that's happening is because you're talking about Iranian oil.
Iranians produced 3 million barrels of oil.
And what they did in response to the Israeli attacks is they started hitting other Gulf state oil platforms, refineries, et cetera.
And this is all leading to the nervousness, the jitteriness of the energy markets, driving prices up.
We're going to hit $4 a gallon probably over the weekend.
We may go to five.
If this continues, we could actually go to $5 a gallon.
Trump, he's a good businessman, but he's also a good economist in his mind.
I think he probably saw the effect of hitting those oil infrastructures in Iran was a bad idea.
And I tell you what happened just hours ago.
Iran turned around and either targeted, certainly hit the Israeli refinery, with the biggest refinery in Israel as a retaliatory measure.
Now they're saying it may be shrapnel, but who knows if they may have missed and shrapnel hit the refinery.
But there's a refinery shut in right now.
So once you start playing around infrastructure, all butts are off on how oil prices could go.
Yeah, well, so let's get Pete Hegg said.
He was asked about it this morning, SAT 17.
So with the strike yesterday on South Bar's gas field, you know, if the U.S. didn't know about it or didn't approve of it, it kind of seems like a trend of Israel apparently pursuing their own objectives over U.S. objectives.
Why are we helping Israel prosecute this war if they're going to pursue their own objectives?
We hold the cards.
We have objectives.
Those objectives are clear.
We have allies pursuing objectives as well.
And the truth speaks for itself.
I mean, President Trump was very clear about that.
Iran has weaponized energy for decades.
Israel clearly sent a warning, and POTUS has made it clear, very clear.
Iran knows when you hit Karg Island and you hit military capabilities on Carg Island, which is the only thing we hit, we can hold anything at issue.
Anything.
The United States military controls the fate of that country.
So what he's saying is we clearly have Israeli objectives.
Our allies have objectives.
The U.S. has other objectives.
But the bottom line here is, Eric, it's causing this really, I think, strange oil market.
And this is really where you bring a lot of expertise here.
Go ahead and throw up.
It looks like we're having the emergence of essentially three different, three distinct oil markets, Asia through Omana, Dubai, Europe, Brent, and U.S., West Texas, right?
WTI.
Correct.
What the heck is happening and why this huge price gap between the different oil?
That's simply a fun.
So look at oil.
Kind of look at the world global oil reserves.
We use about 100 million barrels a day globally, all countries included.
The difference in the price between those three, and by the way, there's probably 50 grades of crude oil.
But the three main benchmarks, they call them benchmarks, is all prices are determined based on those.
Well, I would say two, Brent and WTI.
West Texas Intermediate, that's the oil we produce.
We produce 13 million a day.
We use 20 million.
We have a gap.
We have to import oil from Canada, China, not China, Canada, Mexico, and others.
The Brent is higher.
And Andrew, I've done this a long time.
For the past 15 years, the difference between Brent oil, it's always higher because of location and transportation because it's produced way up north in the North Sea in order to bring it down.
There's transportation costs.
But the difference has always been $5 at the maximum, $1 or $2 at the minimum.
They run very close in price.
Now it's $16, 17, could be pushing $18 a barrel difference.
And that's because getting that oil from the North Sea through certain areas of Europe.
Europe is having a very hard time getting enough oil.
China is as well, but they have deals with Russia and whatnot.
But Europe is going to be very, very sensitive to price shock.
Gasoline price shocks for sure.
They're equivalent of a gallon.
They use liters, but over there are equivalent.
They're probably going to hit $10 a gallon of gasoline before, probably within the next couple of weeks.
So, Eric, I think a lot of people have noted, okay, the prices are surging more in other places compared to the U.S.
And I've seen some people present this as that means it's no big deal for us, but maybe give us a sense.
Like, my feeling is that if we have a giant energy spike everywhere outside the U.S., even if we're self-sufficient in our own energy, that's going to have pretty severe ramifications for our own country and our own economy, correct?
100%.
We are absolutely sensitive to the price of rent oil going up, even though it's going up a little bit more.
It is up.
So before the conflict, I would say a week before we hit Iran, oil was $65 a barrel.
The day before we hit Iran, it was $67 a barrel.
The day afterwards, it started the week after, one Friday after the, we hit them on Saturday.
By Friday, it was $76 a barrel.
It's going to hit $100 a barrel before the end of this week.
So we are very, very sensitive, even though we're not as sensitive to the bread price.
We're still, it brings all, here's why, only very quickly, I know you got to go, but because if you, at some point, if you're running rent oil and it's too expensive, you can retool your refinery to use WTI if it makes sense to transport it at a cheaper rate.
So we've got, you know, a news that was breaking this morning that it looks like Japan, who, by the way, the Prime Minister of Japan is meeting with President Trump the White House currently.
Japan, the Netherlands, Germany, France, Italy, Great Britain, they're all going to start working with us.
It looks like a bit of a about face to help clear the Strait of Hormuz.
Is that going to fix the problem or are we still looking at inflationary upward pressure from this oil spike?
Yeah, so $4 is baked in the cake.
$450 is probably baked in the cake already, maybe $5.
And by the way, we haven't entered the Strait of Hormuz.
Our Navy hasn't yet because it's not safe.
Iranians have a lot of tools.
They can lob missiles from the shore.
Look at that shoreline, top of that map right there.
That is all Iranian shoreline.
They can shoot missiles from anywhere.
They've also said that they can mine the Gulf.
Trump says there's no mines in the Gulf, but I've seen confirmed video of Iranian submersible drones that are mines and that they can remotely control from land.
And there's hundreds of them that they haven't put in the water yet, which they could still do.
Iran's in an existential threat right now.
They're literally looking at possibly the end of Iran as anyone's known it.
And they probably feel that way on the inside right now.
They're liable to do anything.
And what they're doing right now is attacking other Gulf countries' petrochemical production.
They hit Saudi Aramco's refinery.
Saudi Aramco final, one of the biggest refineries in the Middle East, is shut in.
Kuwaitis shut in a refinery.
They've hit Bahrain production.
You just mentioned a gas field in Iran being hit by the Israelis.
This is massive, massive oil disruption.
I had a captain on my show yesterday, not even a captain, he owned the shipping company, has 15 ships going through the Strait of Hormuz.
And I said, Captain, have you put one through?
He said, no.
I said, why not?
He said, too dangerous.
I said, okay, Trump administration has come up with a $20 billion Lloyds of London insurance policy.
Does that change the thing?
I knew what his answer was going to be.
Does that change anything?
He said, no.
I said, why not?
Because no one I know, nor would I ever send a crew through the Strait of Hormuz just because there's insurance in case they get blown to smithereens.
It's not safe.
And if the Iranians, all they have to do is threaten or show one or two mines, you don't know where they're going to be.
There's not going to be a lot of confidence in navigating that Gulf.
I personally think we should put our boot on Iranians' neck, go into every industry they have.
It's going to be collateral damage.
It's going to be really bad for the Iranian people.
Take out their media.
Take out all their infrastructure.
Take out their highways.
Get them to the point where they submit and they say, we'll cut a deal with you for oil.
And what I would say was I would send our oil companies in, our major oil companies in and bring their production up.
They're doing less than half of what they could possibly do, potentially do.
We bring that oil price, their oil volume up, and we take that oil at the market price.
Iran stays whole.
We get oil independence in particular.
But wouldn't that just strengthen the regime?
Sorry to cut you off there, Eric.
Wouldn't that just strengthen the regime's hand?
If there's hope that they're going to topple, there's a press conference going on right now in the White House.
And Scott Besson is saying that the regime is already wiring money all over the world.
Treasury's on top of it.
They're going to seize the money.
The Trump administration is still signaling that this regime is about to collapse, Eric.
So they may be on their heels, Andrew.
I find it hard to believe that they're about to collapse.
I mean, they still have a lot of fight left in them, even if it's a fight to the death, which they will do at this point, because this is their existential threat.
They're not going to just decide we're going to roll over.
I believe you cut a deal with them, an international legal deal with them, where they can't ever back out of it.
And we are energy independent forever.
I mean, are we really in the business of making sure countries aren't nuclear weaponized?
I mean, North Korea has become under Clinton.
How about Pakistan?
Are we going to go take out Pakistan because they have nukes?
I mean, it's a fool's game.
This is over oil.
This isn't over regimes or nukes.
This is about oil.
Eric, just the natural question that follows up then is maybe how much time?
Like you've mentioned, obviously there's a lot of economic pressure coming from this.
What sort of timeline are we looking at for economic issues escalating where we need to start taking, you know, how long do we have before we really need to get this wrapped up?
Do you think?
It's acute right now, Blake.
Right now, we're on a path to higher prices, oil prices, gasoline prices.
It doesn't matter if this is all clear, decided today.
We're still going to see substantially higher prices going forward.
All these Gulf countries that are major producers of energy have shut their production, and some of them are damaged.
Some of them have shut down systems that could take 30, 45 days to get retooled, get re-up, running again to full capacity.
That energy off that, those hydrocarbons off the oil market will keep prices higher.
Will they stay at $100 a barrel?
Maybe not, but they could stay at $90, $85.
$85 a barrel turns into about like $3.50 a gallon in gasoline.
That is just way, way too high when it should be in the 50s.
Trump had it almost near 50%.
Think about this for one second.
I'm skeptical enough to believe that all Saudis, Bahrainis, Omanis, all the Iraqis, they're all kind of saying, hey, Trump, go ahead.
We got you.
We support you.
But the reality is they like $100 print on the oil market.
They love that.
They actually need that.
So they're going to be in no rush to ramp up production because the minute they start ramping up, prices come down.
So they will slow walk that on the way down.
So I think we're in dire straits already, Blake.
And just how bad it gets is kind of up to the policymakers in D.C., Eric.
What are we looking at in terms of inflation?
You know, they held the rate again steady.
What are you seeing coming down the pike?
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Yeah, we're at 3%, which is a little bit elevated right now and higher than we had been for the second half of 2025.
I think 4%, 4.5%, given this event.
If it lasts another month, 6%.
Oil is tied to every single product that we use.
Andrew, you just sipped a cup.
There's oil.
There's a petroleum input somehow in there as well.
It's in almost every single toilet paper.
There's petroleum in toilet paper.
And don't forget, anything you produce in one part of the country to the other, you bring it to the other part, you got to transport it and you do it with rail or truck.
That's diesel fuel right there.
Eric Bowling, time is of the essence.
You made the case for urgency.
Thanks, Eric.
We'll talk to you soon.
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Appreciate it.
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All right, John Solomon joins us now.
John, it's great to have you back because there's so much news going on, especially on the Intel front.
I got to hit this first, though, before I wanted to talk to you about China.
We will get there in just a second, but there was kind of a bombshell.
So obviously everybody's aware that Joe Kent resigned the letter.
We talked about it on the show yesterday.
And then this comes out yesterday evening, and I'll play a clip here.
Well, let's not actually skip it.
Basically, he's under investigation for leaking classified documents.
The investigation is being led by the FBI.
And apparently, the investigation started before his resignation.
What do you know, John Solomon?
Yeah, that is an accurate description of what we know.
Several months ago, the FBI began examining a potential leak of information and technology that they believe is connected to Joe Kent or his office.
That has been ongoing.
It is nearing a resolution.
It's in that period of time when it's nearing a resolution.
Often when you get to this point, you get a notification that you're either a subject or a target of the investigation.
Target means you're about to be indicted.
Subject means your behavior is being examined.
It's usually around the time of resolution that you get those notifications.
We don't know if that happened, but we are told that the decision on whether charges are to be brought is going to happen soon.
This does go back into last year, late in 2025, is when the investigation allegedly began.
And then all of a sudden on Monday, he dropped that bombshell of a letter.
And, you know, again, when you look at the whole of Joe Kent, no matter what happens in this outcome, he's a man who was deployed 11 times to a combat zone in Iraq and Afghanistan.
He's an American hero for doing that.
He lost his wife to a combat attack.
She also was an American patriot and lost.
That part of his career stays intact.
But if you go into the civilian side and you're trusted with intelligence and you don't handle it properly, there are going to be consequences, particularly in this administration, which is very serious about prosecuting links.
And so we'll have to wait and see what the evidence is.
But there was an investigation ongoing before he ever released his letter expressing his dissent for the Iran operation.
Yeah, Tulsi was asked about this.
DNI Tulsi Gabbard, SOC 27.
Do you agree or disagree with what this letter was put out by former Director Kent?
He said a lot of things in that letter.
Ultimately, we have provided the president with the intelligence assessments, and the president is elected by the American people and makes his own decisions based on the information that's available to him.
But do you agree with, does that statement he made, blaming Israel, concern you?
Yes.
So that was a pretty significant moment there, John Solomon.
Because a lot of people link DNA Tulsi Gabbard with Joe Kent, thinking that they are ideologically in lockstep.
That was a break right there.
Yeah, that was a very significant moment.
Now, I would have preferred if they followed up saying, you're concerned because you agree with his assessment on Israel.
You're concerned that he made it.
There's some ambiguity about what yes meant, but I think we generally have a sense of where Tulsi Gabbard stands based on the last 48 hours of testimony.
She has not endorsed the president's decision.
She puts it at his doorstep.
And yesterday, when given the opportunity to, I think, coherently and cohesively describe the intelligence of what led the president, I don't think she did a very good job.
I think Pete Hegseth and General Kaine this morning in their briefing did a much better job describing the threat and what would lead a president to believe that there was an imminent threat from Iran.
And these are the things that we wrote about this morning, all of it in open source intelligence, but they're pretty serious things.
In January, the United States government discovered three Revolutionary Guard members on Arsa.
And I will tell you that Revolutionary Guard members from Iran don't come here for winter vacation.
They were sent here for a mission.
They were forcibly deported very quickly.
Then we learned that Iran had secured a half billion dollars of Stinger missiles from Russia.
These are shoulder-fired missiles capable of taking down a civilian or military aircraft, a capability that Iran traditionally has not had.
Then we learned that they were trying to get, and we're at the final stages of negotiation, and acquiring a hypersonic missile from China that would be able to reach much further American assets outside the immediate Middle East theater, the immediate Persian Gulf.
And by the way, hypersonics, we don't have a great defense system against this.
Those components, along with the fact that Iran admits itself it tried to reconstitute its nuclear program as soon as the Midnight Hammer was launched last summer, were the components that drove the president to decide that American assets were in increasing risk and to do that.
It isn't some magical spell that B.B. Netanyahu has over the president.
Anyone who knows the president knows he makes his mind up on his own, often to the shock of some people, not ready for what he's about to do.
Well, John, I mean, you know, to be fair to Tulsi, you could look at the same intel here and come up with different conclusions.
I don't think it's any shocker that maybe Tulsi is less interventionist than some within the Adam.
I agree.
Yeah.
So her job wasn't to, what I would say is when you serve a president, your job isn't to express your own political opinion or try to give yourself.
Your job is to tell the committee what data points did the president have to make decisions.
Listen, I think it's perfectly great in America to disagree with a decision your president makes.
That's our lawful right to do it.
It wasn't easy to do under the Biden years.
They tried to suppress us lots of times.
But in the Trump era, no one's going to stop you from expressing your opinion.
But her job as the intelligence chief was to give the data points, and there are data points.
You can disagree whether that constitutes an imminent threat.
But the opportunity yesterday was to give those data points.
We were able to give those data points.
I don't think she did as good a job as she could.
And I think there was a little bit of virtue signaling going on.
I've covered scores of these hearings over my career.
I have never seen an intelligence chief that couldn't put the intelligence in front of the Congress.
She could even say she disagreed with it, but she should have at least told us what the intelligence was.
We now have those data points, but I think it would have been helpful for people to know what the data was.
Yeah, fair enough.
Let's change our focus here.
There is, so one of the storylines is this China interfering in our elections.
Tell us what you've uncovered in your reporting, John.
First, we need to remind people, because they probably didn't get a lot of coverage here, but two years ago, Great Britain was thrust into national crisis when it was learned that China had hacked into parts of their election voter registration database, just people how they register their data, because it does have your driver's license, your social security number, or other personal identifying.
Great Britain was enormously alarmed.
People were fired.
There were big hearings and blue ribbon commissions.
New election security provisions were done.
And by the way, the Biden administration expressed enormous alarm that this happened to Great Britain, and they even indicted some of the hackers from China that did this to China, or did this to Great Britain.
Here's the dirty secret that the Biden administration and the U.S. intelligence committee knew when they were expressing outrage at what happened in Great Britain.
It happened here all the way back to 2020.
But it was kept a secret from the American public, from the Congress, and it appears from the statements of an intelligence community ombudsman, a civilian that's supposed to protect our interests in the intelligence community, because the ombudsman said that the intelligence community, the CIA and others, decided to keep this information from the president, the public, and the Congress because they didn't like President Trump and his policies.
They actually used pejorative terms to describe the commander-in-chief in their own private emails.
And they made a decision to put their personal politics ahead of their country and their commander-in-chief's need to know, and they just didn't let the country know.
So America and Great Britain suffered the same crisis.
Americans were kept in the dark.
Great Britain reacted with great alarm.
I think that's a very, we have to get to the bottom of this politicization of these intelligence agencies.
We talk about it in the context of Russia collusion and the fake scandal there, but when you start depriving a president or the intelligence committees of actionable intelligence, you're moving to a point of harming national interest.
And that is what the ombudsman in the Biden era decided to allege in a document that we made public this week.
So it then kind of goes to Fulton County, right?
So again, DNI Tulsi Gabbard's testifying before the Senate and then today the House.
And she obviously was photographed at that Fulton County rating.
What do we know about her presence there specifically?
I don't think the criminal case here ties to this China stuff.
I think the criminal case here ties to the fact that if you're an election administrator in Georgia or Maricopa County in Arizona, where we also have some investigation going on, and you don't follow your state laws, you don't create equal protection for your voters, it becomes a federal crime.
And so the FBI's interest in Georgia and in Arizona was simply to signal that they may prosecute local election administrators because they didn't follow the law.
They created exemptions or didn't do things the way the law in their state required, and that becomes a federal offense if it's intentional.
I think that's all.
I don't know why she showed up.
I know of no reason she needed to be there other than maybe the president asked her to show up is what I've been told.
That's fine.
What we do know is that Tulsi Gabbard has known about this Chinese election intelligence for about eight months and only recently began moving in a direction of declassifying it under pressure from Justin News.
We've been asking daily for about seven weeks now for Tulsi Gabbert to make this available.
The first documents we got were not declassified by Tulsi Gabbard.
They were declassified by Avril Haynes, her predecessor in the Biden administration.
The Biden administration and former Biden administration officials were much more willing to talk about how shocked they were that Trump knew or Trump people knew about this Chinese infiltration and didn't act on it back then.
They were glad to throw some shade on that.
But this is a serious matter because the second you know that China got voter registration data, what we learned a few months ago from our reporting about what the FBI learned becomes more important.
All right.
Voter data is accessed by Chinese intelligence.
Then China sends driver's licenses to Chicago O'Hare report.
And the FBI's Chinese intelligence sources tell them it was an effort to send those licenses here so someone could file fake ballot requests and vote and stuff the ballot box for Joe Biden.
That's what the FBI documents.
So we're starting to see it continue.
Now, it doesn't mean that anything ultimately happened, but it was a more organized effort than we were led to believe.
And the reason we were not given this information was a political decision by some biased intelligence analysts.
That should concern us all.
Yeah, that is concerning.
I mean, I think Tulsi Gabbard is a star.
I trust her motivations here or her political calculations, but I think you're absolutely right.
The American people have an interest in knowing as much as we possibly can about election integrity.
I don't know if you're going to be a star next week if she declassifies them.
Yeah.
Well, amen.
All right.
Thanks, John.
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Why?
Because we borrowed a lot of the best practices from the left that had a two decade head start on us in this arena.
And so now we're taking ground.
We're catching up.
We're building the army that will deliver these three states for 2026 and hopefully 2028 and build that red wall.
Blake, you are a master of history.
For those who don't understand the significance of the blue wall and maybe they're not aware of the population shifts to the Sunbelt, explain why this is important.
Yeah, I mean, so basically, a lot of blue states have been run badly for a long time.
And so that's the first thing you want to start with is we've got these people have been fleeing from, and also just deindustrialization.
So deindustrialization, a lot of other factors, they've driven people out of Illinois.
They've driven people out of New York, but they've also driven people out of Minnesota, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan.
All of these states have either lost people or they've slowed to a relative crawl.
They're not where immigrants move as much.
They're not where Americans move to seek opportunity.
And, you know, back in 1960 when Kennedy won, the biggest state was New York.
It had almost 50 electoral votes.
It's now only in the 20s, I believe, for how many electoral votes it has.
And so the Democrats used to be able to rely on, oh, if we can just win Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Pennsylvania, it's very, very hard for us to lose an election.
But we're getting to the point where even if they win all those states, and as we've seen with President Trump, they don't always win them, even if they win all of those states, they're still not going to be able to win unless they can snag these Sunbelt states.
Now, as we all know, kind of Californication is a problem that those states used to be rock, solid, red.
They are a lot of them now more purple.
Nevada used to vote very consistently Republican.
Arizona voted Republican for basically a half century straight.
They've gotten more purple.
The Democrat plan is flip them.
And our job is step in there, stop any of that sliding, make them rock, solid, red, make them kind of like Florida, where Florida was trending blue, and we flipped it back the other way.
Just Jack Pesobic sending us a note right now.
He says, I'm in New Hampshire.
Trump signs all over.
So that's telling.
And people don't realize New Hampshire is kind of like this beacon, this red dot in the New England area, where they tend to have a lot of conservatives at the state level.
For whatever reason, they're sending Democrats at the federal level.
So we want to stop that.
And the ROI in New Hampshire is just the potential ROI is really, really favorable for us.
If we spend a relatively small amount, we can get a relatively large impact there.
But this is a massive, massive day on the calendar for us, having a field office in Nevada.
And to Blake's point, how do we do this?
We target low-propensity, conservative-leaning voters, right?
These are people that maybe don't show up all the time, but we need them to show up.
And it's going to be an even greater challenge without President Trump on the ballot.
So President Trump is one of those polarizing political figures who just happens to draw out the Democrats.
They come out to the polls to resist him, and he draws out a lot of low-propensity conservative voters as well.
Our challenge in 2026 is how do we get these people to the ballot box to keep these seats red, to keep the Republicans in office?
And that's going to be our challenge.
And that's why putting a field office in a place like Nevada is such a big, big milestone.
So while all this noise and all this distraction is going on and you got feuding people and podcast wars, whatever, we are doing the quiet work building to make sure that those low-prop, conservative, right-leaning voters get out to the polls.
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It's a fusion of relational organizing, data-driven live data updates.
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But this is the way that you actually win elections.
This is the hard, on-the-ground work that we're actually doing.
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Yeah, I mean, it's just, I really want to drive that home.
It's always what set Charlie apart.
There's a lot of people offering takes about politics.
There's a lot of people trying to provide ideological vision.
Charlie did all of that, but he also always stepped up for the hard work, kind of the thankless work, the tough work of get offices open, build relationships with ordinary people, actually get votes out.
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I want to welcome to the show Lydia Moynihan.
She's a New York Post columnist, and you might have seen her in the many viral clips from CNN, Abby Phillips show.
I believe it's Newsnight.
News night.
News night.
All right.
Welcome to the show, Lydia.
It's great to have you.
It's your first time joining us.
I'm so thrilled to be here.
I'm glad you're thrilled to be here.
What thrilled to have you?
So let's just start right there.
You are a New York Post columnist.
You live in the city.
And here you are.
You're doing Abby Phillip, the Abby Phillip Newsnight show, a show that gets clipped, I think, more than potentially any other show.
How did this start?
And what's it like being on set there?
So I've been doing the show now for about six months, I would say.
And it's interesting, I think, in this world where everyone lives in their own echo chamber with their own algorithm.
I think it's actually great television and great to see people on both sides engaging and talking to each other.
And it's interesting.
I mean, there's times I feel like we're all share something that it's a basic fact to me.
And a lot of folks there have never even heard of it.
And I think, you know, the five on Fox does really well.
And people want to see these completely separate echo chambers interact because we live in a country now where you can go about your daily life and be in a complete bubble on social media with the people you interact with in your city and just never be confronted with anything that might challenge your beliefs or your ideas about something.
All right.
So I have, so you and I actually first exchanged texts right after this.
We covered it here on the show.
Blake had some hot takes on it as well.
And that was, of course, when Abby Phillip repeatedly and mistakenly said that the IED bombing or attempted bombing was targeting the mayor's house.
We have to play some quotes, Andrew.
It wasn't an IED.
It was a loose grouping of nails.
And yeah, they didn't call it an ID.
I don't know why we're simping for terrorists, but that's where we find ourselves.
Cut 16.
Two Republicans say Muslims don't belong here after an attempted terror attack against New York's mayor, Zorhan Mamdani.
And the House Speaker, Mike Johnson, says nothing really to condemn those comments.
Well, there you have it.
She would, to be fair, she corrected the record.
So we got to be fair to Abby Phillip.
She's a colleague of yours.
So I want to be respectful.
Sot 24.
This morning, I issued a correction first thing in the morning on X for a mistake that I made in last night's show.
But I also wanted to do so on air as well.
I incorrectly said that the bombs that were thrown by ISIS-inspired suspects in New York over the weekend were directed at Mayor Mamdani.
They were not.
I failed to catch and correct that mistake in real time, and I take full responsibility for that.
And while we do make mistakes, it is important to acknowledge and correct those errors when they happen.
All right.
Classy moved.
You were on the set, though, when that happened.
What, I mean, it's not like it wasn't corrected in real time.
I think the other sort of right of center panelists corrected her and she still missed it.
What were you thinking as this moment was playing out on TV?
Well, look, again, I think everyone's just in their silo where maybe they don't even know that what they're saying is incorrect.
And I think it was great that she went out there and did correct it.
But I think this is just a bigger problem where there isn't really any reality check of what's going on.
And I think it's interesting seeing the way that the mainstream media has and has not covered what in my mind is frankly one of the most important and most significant stories is the fact that there were four terrorist attacks.
I believe all of them by naturalized citizens.
So people who were not born here or in the case of the terrorist attack here in New York, both of those men, their parents were born in Afghanistan.
So there's a lot to discuss there.
And of course, attacks against Jewish people in a synagogue.
There are a lot of things to suss out.
And it's interesting in that case, the approach that the mainstream media takes is, let's talk about Islamophobia.
And that's, of course, not the story.
The story is that there's actually terrorist attacks and people are shouting, Allahu Akbar, right?
They're doing this in the name of religion.
And then the angle that is covered, and we saw this, of course, with Zoroy Mamdani.
I'm sorry to keep harping on him.
I know every time we talk, I bring him up, Andrew, but this is just the quintessential way of sort of spinning something and making an accusation that somebody is Islamophobic.
So he talked about when he was confronted by the fact that he is very close with Hassan Piker, who believes that America deserved 9-11.
He said, didn't address it, basically just said, oh, well, my aunt, who may or may not be a real person, she got mean looks on the subway after 9-11.
And it's completely failing to address a very important and real and legitimate issue and then just attacking somebody and saying that they're bigoted because they're noticing this pattern.
And that's kind of the approach that we saw, obviously, with Momdani.
And it's the approach that we're seeing the media takes as well.
They're not addressing this issue of, wow, there's a terrorist problem.
Americans are in danger right now.
They're just saying, oh, anyone who's trying to address that problem is bigoted for noticing it.
Blake, what's with the selection bias?
You've been in media and journalism.
What is the undercurrent?
What is the driving motivation for this?
I think it's pretty straightforward.
There used to be more balance to a lot of institutions in American life.
Like the press always leaned liberal, but leaning liberal in even the 60s, where we think of it as a left-wing time, leaning liberal meant, oh, maybe 70% of them voted for Kennedy and 30% voted for Nixon.
But in a lot of these newsrooms at major outlets, we're talking 95-5, 99 to 1.
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And it breaks down your ability to think reasonably about things.
You don't get questioned.
You have a lot of assumptions that don't make sense, but no one's calling you out on them.
And there's a lot of groupthink that takes over.
I've heard accounts from the New York Times where here's a classic one from a few years ago.
It was pretty obvious right away, for example, when the Rittenhouse shooting happened that Rittenhouse was engaged in self-defense.
He didn't do anything wrong.
And I've heard stories, there were New York Times reporters terrified to even take that assignment because if they had to report that fact, it could destroy their career in the newsroom because people there were that unhinged.
And if you repeat that over and over and over again, and then if you're in a kind of lower IQ area like CNN, they're not quite firing on as many cylinders as the New York Times, you just get these absolutely embarrassing stories where they actually have to come out and admit it because it all seems reasonable to them until they get called out on X or on some other public platform.
Yeah, and Lydia, that was my read on that instance, by the way.
It was because all the early reporting was that, you know, it was a bombing outside or attempted bombing outside of the mayor's mansion.
So I actually think Abby Phillip just didn't know that she was wrong.
Well, and Andrew, I just kind of want to go back to something that Blake was saying about the sort of selection bias.
And I think when you think about historically how we get these people in media kind of telling us what the story is and breaking things down for us, they are in, they go through the university system, which my colleague Isabel Vincent here at the Post had a great story yesterday just highlighting people who are literally children of IRCG members are teaching in universities like University of Illinois and Emory.
And so you think about you're going through this university system where literal terrorists' children are professors and teaching.
And then you go into this other ecosystem, typically in a big city like New York or LA where it's quite liberal.
And then all of your colleagues are also thinking the same way as you.
So it's just literally from the time you leave your house, no matter who you are, if you're going to an elite university and then continuing on to get a top job, especially in media in a liberal place like New York or LA, you're just not challenged with any of your viewpoints.
You're inculcated in something that's extremely left-wing.
And then that just carries on with no one challenging those presuppositions.
I couldn't help but find this clip and you're sitting right next to the person involved in this.
This is Lee McGowan.
And this clip is just, it's a peach.
Cut 26.
So your answer is to continue to let Iran back hezbollah.
No, that's not my answer.
I'm getting back.
Okay, so someone has to take them.
No, it's not a false choice.
We did not need to be a war.
We did not need to be in this war.
We started the war for no reason.
The bad guys here.
We are the bad guys here.
That's a, that's a that's strong.
You can be against this uh war in the first place, just to be clear.
Uh, but that's quite a thing to say from leading who is?
That's the issue is again totally valid to challenge what the strategy is and ask questions.
But we're seeing on the left, it's like people are rooting for us to fail.
It's like people want this to be a disaster.
So Donald Trump has egg on his face that's what it feels like is going on and I genuinely think and I know we're going to talk about Mamdani and his wife Rama that there seem to be people and obviously the fact that there are protests and people honoring, holding services to honor the ayatollah.
There are clearly people here who actually do think that America is the bad guy in this war and, of course, in no universe could that be possible.
You're looking at a regime that murders people for sport.
They just today executed a young man who walked the streets trying to trying to protest back in january.
They hang gay people from cranes.
They rape women as punishment.
They're the largest exporter of terror.
Like, let's be very clear, in no universe are we the bad.
They are the bad guys through and through.
And again, you can debate the war, but there's there's no way that you could characterize Iran as anything less than the most evil regime on the face of the earth.
Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of this is, we've let a ton of people, millions of people in our country that hate us and it's the third worlding of the United States and we're we're living the consequences right now, but probably nowhere as I guess.
Uh poignant, can you feel that as New York City your uh, your home, where you live?
And there's a bunch of reporting now out from the NEW YORK POST of Rama Duwaji I think I got her name right.
Finally, that is the wife of mayor Momdani.
Uh, and you could go up and throw this image up.
It says, in a series of unearthed social media posts, Rama Duwaji reportedly celebrated Palestinian plane hijacker Lila Khalid Khalid.
Uh like, this is shocking stuff.
Um yeah, there you go.
The NEW YORK POST is reporting it.
Uh, this is, you know, Anti-israel activists who called.
She's associating with some Anti-Israel activists who called Jews cockroaches.
Has multiple links to Mamdani's family.
This is the.
You know.
It was interesting because we had Coach Tuberville on the show and he said the enemy is inside the gates now.
And it became this huge back and forth with Chuck Schumer.
What is going on in New York City and how bad really is this mayor's office?
Well, it's really concerning.
And this is on the heels.
I mean, there's been a few pretty alarming headlines coming out against about Rama.
The most recent one, just in the last 12 hours or so, is that, of course, she had liked all of these posts and reposted them on Tumblr, which not a lot of people are on Tumblr anymore um, but one, for instance, says American soldiers fighting in imperialist wars are not brave, nor are they fighting for anyone's freedom.
They're mercilessly slaughtering third world civilians and fighting to maintain American hegemony.
Um, that's just kind of a flavor of the things, and she's also used the n-word.
A lot of fun things out there um, and it comes on the heels of another report that she was illustrating a children's book or not a children's book sorry, illustrating a book um, written by a woman who said things like, Jews are cockroaches, they're rabid demons uh, they're sons of Satan.
So this is, this is a ongoing issue and, we see, obviously goes back to when she was a young woman in her teens, but it's continuing.
This isn't like one little thing that she said 10 years ago.
This is a long-seated issue that's extended for decades.
And so, of course, she was lauded and celebrated when Mamdani was first elected.
She had this fabulous photo shoot in New York magazine, and she was heralded as this artist in Gracie Mansion, and she was just so wonderful.
And it's interesting to see there hadn't been a lot of sort of opo research or reporting on her specifically.
But now that we're seeing all these things, I'm waiting for New York Magazine and some of these other publications that just lionized and celebrated her to come out and say, oh, we apologize for featuring and lauding a woman who likes and reposts things that are extremely, not even just offensive, but things that are advocating for terrorism.
Yeah, welcome to New York.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure if you're not.
And we're paying for her to be in Gracie Mansion.
Yeah, and I just want to flag, like, when they say, like, liked posts, you know, liked this person who was in the PSLF, that they're basically the ones who pioneered aircraft hijackings.
Like, a big reason I think Al-Qaeda might have thought, let's hijack planes and fly them into buildings, is because this Palestinian group kind of popularized aircraft hijackings as this dramatic political terrorist stunt in the 60s and 70s.
They were doing one every few weeks, basically, for a long time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then I would also note too, so it's sort of been a one, two, three punch.
There was also a story last week that came out that she had liked a bunch of pro-terrorist, pro-Hamas posts in the wake of October 7th.
Obviously, a horrible day.
And to have somebody, again, who Mamdani cosplays is somebody who cares about everyone in the community, to have someone in Gracie Mansion who's celebrating the murder and the rape of Jews is just, it's beyond.
And I would note, you know, you said New York has obviously changed a lot.
And in the wake of his election, everyone kept saying, like, oh, how could a city that was, you know, sustained a terrorist attack just two decades earlier vote for this?
And it's interesting among the people who actually have lived here for more than five years, more than 10 years, Mamdani did not win.
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It was really new people who've been coming here who elected him.
Are those newcomers from the U.S. or are we talking immigrants?
Oh, yeah, no, Yeah.
No, people who have moved here from outside the U.S.
We got to get a handle on our legal immigration system.
It's a big theme on this show.
Lydia Moynihan, thank you so much.
Great to have you.
Your first time on the show.
We'll have you on again soon, I'm sure.
Andrew, such a pleasure.
Thank you.
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All right.
Without further ado, honored to have our next guest, Alex Marlow, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News, as well as host of the Alex Marlowe Show.
Welcome, my friends.
Good to see you.
Always great to see you, Andrew.
Thank you for having me on the Kirk show.
Listen, man, there's a lot of stuff.
We've been going through story after story, but I want to zoom out on the state of the movement, right?
Yeah.
There was this poll yesterday that was circulating.
CNN had it up.
I believe they conducted the poll that said 100% of MAGA supports the president.
I just don't believe that that's statistically possible or true.
I don't know where they got that from or how they posed the question.
But there's no doubt that this Iranian conflict, war, excursion, whatever you want to call it, is, you know, it's a challenge to the movement.
You see Megan Kelly sounding off.
You see Tucker Carlson.
You have the Joe Kent resignation.
There is a lot of noise out there right now.
Alex, how do you process this?
How are you thinking about it?
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, it's a great, it's a great question to ask because this is the question for the year because we all want MAGA to endure.
We all want to make sure that Americans are safe and prosperous and thriving.
And then the question is, is this war that's going on right now, is this getting us closer to that?
And I think there's going to be a lot of people who think that the president has earned a lot of credibility and i'm in that group where he gets a little leeway here if he feels like he had the imperative and the intelligence to wage a successful uh war, that he should have a little time to do it.
If he's doing his strategic bombings, he's trying to take out high profile targets and if you look at sort of a reasonable standard is, are we devastating Iran's ballistic missile capabilities?
Are we developing, are we devastating their ability to create nuclear weaponry?
Uh, are we perhaps making so that it's less likely they support terror proxies that kill ourselves and our allies in the region, then it's been pretty successful so far.
But if you look at it the way Joe Camp framed it up on Tucker Show yesterday, which is that Iran was never really going to develop a nuclear weapon and that they were only enriching as a bargaining tactic and we should have stuck around longer to bargain with Iran and you take that side, then uh, obviously you're going to be very discouraged about what's happening right now and you see uh, 119 barrels of oil and no real incentive for Iran to open up the Straight Of Hormuz, and you could see this thing spiraling really quick.
So I, I feel like, whichever side you're on right now, I do recommend operating with a cautious lens, because if you're someone who's already thrown president Trump under the bus, then it's probably because you are.
You're taking cues from a really extreme but often credible and very persuasive faction of the online right, and if you are think that Trump is infallible here, then unfortunately, Middle East Wars are a place where a lot of presidents falter.
So I see a lot of wisdom on both sides, and that makes it a very tough one, because it's very hard to come in andrew and declaratively say this is going one way or the other.
Yeah, and so there's two.
You know, I I watched clips.
I did not watch the whole thing um, but there's two clips floating around from Joe Kent's interview with Tucker Carlson.
Yeah, one is basically kind of outlining the divergence.
Let's say that and Pete Hegseth alluded to this that Israel and the United States have uh, oftentimes overlapping ambitions with the Iranian strikes.
Sometimes their objectives diverge.
So let's start there.
Um, what do we make of this divergence?
I I, I personally, you know understand that Israel has its own objectives.
Sure that does not surprise me however, to suggest that president Trump is lacking any agency to make his own decisions, especially on something where he's been so consistent uh, when it comes to Iran, for at least a decade, about nuclear uh capabilities.
Uh I, I find it is a bridge that's a little far for me uh, to to wrap my head around.
I totally with you on this.
So this is.
There's a couple of things that Kent threw out there that I think are very serious, and I think it'd be wise for the White House to address them over time.
Uh, the first one is a suggestion that Trump had sort of moved the goalpost and Iran is not on the brink of getting a nuclear weapon, and that their enrichment was only designed as a negotiating tactic.
It was not designed to get nukes.
Uh, this is something I have heard, but is directly contradicted by the administration's line via CIA director John Ratliff, who said flat out that Iran was enriching to create a nuke to destroy America and our allies, and uh, Of course, I'm lightly inclined to side with the administration because they've built up a lot of credibility with me.
But Kent's not a joker.
So that's worth taking seriously.
It's worth taking that on on a serious level.
I think that's real to understand that that is a, I think that's a legitimate concern that people have got.
Where I start losing him is the suggestion that Trump is only doing the bidding of Israel because throughout the course of the two hours, and I watched the whole thing, both men really praised President Trump a lot.
But the whole implication of the whole text here is that Trump is also getting played and rolled by Israel and doing Israel's bidding, whether or not because he feels like he's under threat, whether or not he's doing this because he's easily manipulated.
That's sort of incoherent to me, that Trump is the greatest leader imaginable and the perfect guy for the moment, but also is getting succored by Israel, a country of 9 million people.
That strikes me as a little incongruous.
And I think that's one that does make me question some of what's going on and make me feel like there's more than meets the eye to some of this conversation.
But it's clear that Israel definitely wants regime change.
I think that some of our allies in the region, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, who are sort of newer to the America First Hent, largely since the Abraham Accords, which have largely been a triumph, I think they would like to see more widespread devastation to Iran than perhaps is in our immediate interest in America.
So I don't think it's just Israel in the region, but I think it would be nice to get some clarity on some of those legitimate issues Kent and Tucker raise in the conversation.
Yeah, so then it goes into obviously this point that, and I played this in hour one, I think it's worth playing again because, you know, Joe Kent is now officially, we're told, under investigation by the FBI for leaking classified documents.
And I want to be very clear: Joe Kent deployed 11 times for the U.S. military.
He's that's unassailable.
All right.
Gold star husband?
Yeah, gold star husband lost his wife.
You know, absolutely unassailable.
And a lot of my friends really love Joe Kent a lot.
I don't know him that well personally.
But this was an interesting moment when Tulsi Gabbard was asked about it.
And I want to get your take on it.
SOT 27.
Do you agree or disagree with what this letter was put out by former Director Kent?
He said a lot of things in that letter.
Ultimately, we have provided the president with the intelligence assessments, and the president is elected by the American people and makes his own decisions based on the information that's available to him.
But do you agree with, does that statement he made, blaming Israel, concern you?
Yes.
That was a moment right there.
Having she said yes, it was a little ambiguous of what she was actually saying she was troubled by.
What did you think was communicated in that moment, Alex?
Yeah, I think that's really, I think he goes way too far in this regard, especially noting that there are other allies we have in the region who would like to see regime change in Iran as well.
And just the thought that Trump is just some sort of a patsy for Israel, it just doesn't make sense for anything else in Trump's character.
And they cite one piece of evidence, which is the clip from Marco Rubio saying they got intel that Israel was going to go in and it was sort of a do or die moment, I guess, for us to go in or not.
I had a feeling that's just one data point out of millions that were probably part of the president's calculation.
The president loves being a peacetime president.
He loves starting no new wars.
So, you know, he's only doing this.
He knows a lot of his base is not going to support it.
He's not a dumb person.
He's a very bright person who is very conscientious of his own people, his own supporters.
And they knew not all of them were going to get on board.
And that's why some of this stuff just goes way too far with the just blanket, this is Israel's fault, and Trump is a sucker for Israel.
That does not compute to me.
And I did find, I got to say this, we're on the Charlie Crook show.
I thought him speaking for Charlie was very crass to me.
And it's the, we're all, those of us who knew Charlie well, Andrew, you knew him the best of all of us.
I knew Charlie very well.
That's a really delicate thing.
And he was out there in the biggest podcast in the world speaking on behalf of Charlie and speaking on behalf of in the context of implying perhaps Israel murdered Charlie and then using that in the exact context to suggest that Israel is compelling America to bomb girls' schools on a Rhinian base.
I mean, it's starting to get a little bit.
I'm seeing the orange yarn one, always Saudi and Philadelphia meme starts popping into my head here.
Now we're just connecting all sorts of different dots without any hard evidence.
Yeah, and I want to get into that a little bit more in the next segment, Alex, because, you know, obviously I logged that, I clocked that.
Blake clocked it.
We instantly shared that clip and discussed it.
And I think it deserves a whole segment.
Let's just wrap this segment up really quickly with, you know, Megan Kelly tweeted out something like, if you really want to destroy MAGA, you know, have the CIA surveil Tucker and the FBI indict or the DOJ indict Joe Kent.
Do you read it that way, or do you think we're more stable than that?
Yeah, I think we're more stable than that, but I do take that into deep consideration.
I'm a person who's a very online, conservative person.
I'm aware of where the pulse of a lot of the highest energy people online are, and they really like Joe Kent and they're very skeptical of us doing Israel's bidding at all.
And that's a real factor here.
But the FBI investigation started earlier, and we know there are these strange leaks that are certainly designed to put some sort of a wedge between America and Israel.
And some people in this audience probably think that's deserved, but it's certainly a thing that's happening.
And but it's worth considering.
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Let's just hear this clip.
This was obviously with Tucker Carlson, Joe Kent, SOT 31.
And then, you know, Charlie Kirk is killed publicly in a very horrific way.
And we're not really even allowed to look into that at all.
And Charlie Kirk was one of President Trump's closest advisors, and he also advocated heavily against a war with Iran.
He was in the Oval Office in the lead up to the 12-day war.
I wasn't particularly close with Charlie.
He was very gracious to me when I was running for Congress, very, very supportive.
So we knew each other.
And the last time I saw Charlie Kirk on this earth was in June in the West Wing.
And he said, Joe, stop us from getting into a war with Iran.
So when one of President Trump's closest advisors who is vocally advocating for us to not go to war with Iran and for us to rethink at least our relationship with the Israelis, and then he's suddenly publicly assassinated, and we're not allowed to ask any questions about that.
So he says, we're not allowed to ask any questions about that.
I can personally attest that I don't believe that that is the truth.
I believe there's been a billion questions asked, both publicly and privately, behind the scenes.
So many leads have been pursued.
Alex, get your reaction, and then I'm going to throw it to Blake.
Yeah, first of all, I think that Charlie did not want regime change war in Iran, but he did support the president.
I think he would have given the president a wide berth and a certain level of trust.
I don't think it would have gone on indefinitely, but I think that two and a half weeks in that Joe Ken is speaking on behalf of Charlie.
I find that to be grotesque.
I just do.
And I'm a Joe Kent fan.
So this is disappointing to me that he's going out there at this level because I think I respect so much of what he's done, both in political life and, of course, his service is just fantastic.
And the fact that he's speculating at this level, I think that is connecting Charlie, who appears to have been murdered by a trans furry freak, to what's going on in terms of Trump's Iran policy right now.
It doesn't add up to me.
And the thought that Joe is saying this right after he left the government, we know while he's under investigation by the FBI, the timing of it, so he leaves the government.
And because he couldn't ask questions when he was in a position of immense power, now he's going in the private sector and getting a lot of attention.
It just reeks to me that there's something off.
There's a variable we're not seeing here, but it doesn't make any sense that I couldn't ask questions.
So now I'm quitting.
That doesn't add up as well.
So there's something way off about this.
I mean, I'll be honest.
I'm quite angry about what he did.
I think his agenda was very clear.
He's saying, oh, we're not allowed to ask questions.
No, I believe we were allowed to ask questions.
That's why the FBI investigated the crime.
That's why they collaborated with Utah authorities to find and charge the suspect, which they did.
And we have ample evidence that there's a ton of evidence in this case.
Maybe the reason he wasn't involved is it's actually not his department's job to investigate crimes once they're committed.
Maybe the reason he wasn't looped in as much is because they already suspected him of leaking and he appears to have continued to be leaking things.
And I'm just, I'm so angry about Charlie, a person we care about, being used in just as a political football in this blatant way where he's using bits of like conversations he supposedly had, bits of evidence to really paint a picture that he can't actually demonstrate evidence for.
It just, it made me very upset and it demonstrated, frankly, why I suspect it's a good reason he's not in government anymore.
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I know a lot of people have fondness for him, but I think I think this was incredibly, I think this was odious behavior by him.
And, you know, he dismisses some clear evidence on Trump's behalf.
It doesn't come up in the conversation at all.
I mentioned those other allies that were definitely would like to see even more done to Iran.
But also think about how Trump basically laid out a red line a year ago in a letter saying no more ballistic missile development, no more nuclear development to the point of beyond civilian means and no more funding care proxies.
Iran literally did all three of those things.
Joe Kent's aware of this.
He's spoken about it.
He's tweeted about it.
He's even gone pretty far to say that he's called on Trump to basically knock out Iran's ballistic missile capabilities, which is pretty far out there.
And then now he's here and he just got there, seemed like within a matter of two weeks.
It just is incongruous to me.
I just want to fixate on that because we know there are people who will say things publicly because they're on side or they're part of the movement.
They might have private misgivings.
But it's just incredibly aggravating what he's done where he himself, he has no evidence of the thing he's implying.
All he can say is, I was cut out of the investigation when it seems there's ample reason to cut him out of the investigation because he's a guy who runs off and does stuff like this.
And I like we'll be that we've been the first to say Charlie didn't want war with Iran.
He argued against it.
He argued against it to the president.
We've tried very carefully to present what we knew Charlie believed, how we think he might react to this while acknowledging we aren't sure because he's no longer with us.
We're trying to not use him as this blatant, you know, veto power over everything.
And I'm just so upset that Joe Kent runs off, and this is like the first thing he does because he knows it'll go viral.
He knows it'll get a ton of attention.
When, as he admits, he actually doesn't have anything.
He has no evidence.
He just does that classic, we're not allowed to ask questions.
A ton of people have asked questions.
They've never, if they're given answers, they don't like the answers and they pretend they were never given them.
Yeah, the lack of hard evidence definitely strikes me.
It's so speculative, the argument that's being advanced.
And just to repeat, just the invoking Charlie is just when he admits multiple times that you didn't know him very well, just really off-putting to me.
Yeah, and I just want to underscore a fact here because I'm privy to certain details that I'm not allowed to speak about publicly.
And I want the audience to know every single question that has been floated in any way, shape, or form, we have chased down and we have done our best to.
So my point is, he's saying we're not allowed to ask questions.
Well, just because you're not presented with the evidence doesn't mean, or given access to that part of the investigation, doesn't mean that the questions haven't been asked and the lines of inquiry haven't been followed.
You know, that does not mean things have not been investigated because I know a tremendous amount of things have been investigated and by people that love Charlie, people that cared about Charlie.
So here's the last thing, you know, and I constantly go back to this Turley quote in my head where he says, if 90% of the evidence against Tyler Robinson was thrown out, this guy would still get the death penalty.
If the defense somehow succeeded in throwing 90% of this evidence out, he'd still be found guilty in a court of law.
The amount of evidence that is accumulated against this guy is incredible.
And like, just believe me on that.
They have this guy completely.
Did people seem to know about it beforehand?
Yes.
Was he radicalized by other people?
Yes.
I am desperate to get to the bottom of those questions.
I'm even, I'm open to all kinds of different things.
But to suggest that somehow Tyler Robinson was not the guy that pulled the trigger, I think is a line where I just have to put my foot down and say, no, this guy did the deed, and he deserves to be punished by the court of law.
Final thoughts to you, Alex.
Yeah, it's a great summary, and all this is designed, timed to do maximum damage to Trump and his war effort, which, like it or not, we're in it for at least a little bit longer and divide the MAGA movement.
That's very sad to me as an OG member of the MAGA movement.
Alex Marlow, thank you so much.
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