Who Gets To Replace Lindsey Graham? + Who Is MAGA?
Charlie Kirk and guests dissect the MAGA definition amidst internal GOP friction, contrasting neoconservative interventionism with domestic-focused values. The episode highlights a South Carolina primary where Paul Danz and Mark Lynch challenge incumbent Lindsey Graham, accusing him of warmongering and potential backstabbing while proposing platforms like immigration moratoriums, filibuster abolition, and Project 2025 alignment. Ultimately, the discussion frames the election as a pivotal choice between established establishment figures and a new generation demanding radical constitutional conservatism. [Automatically generated summary]
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All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
It's Monday, March 16th, 2026.
I'm on the road today, but Blake is holding it down at the Phoenix studio.
Blake, how you doing?
Howdy, Andrew.
It was an eventful weekend.
Yeah, well, yeah, we did see each other on Saturday.
We interviewed Andy Biggs, and then you interviewed Nick Shirley.
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We are joined here at the top of the hour, unusually so, by Jack Pasobic, who's going to be helping us make sense of the world after a very eventful weekend.
Jack, welcome.
What up, homies?
We've got a lot to get to here, and I think Blake's title for today's show, What is MAGA, is a, I think it's a really apt way to sort of frame it.
I was traveling, didn't have a lot of time to keep up with it.
I turned on the phone and the computer on basically last night because somebody sent me some Oscar clips, and then I started going through everything, and I was like, holy, holy cow.
Everybody hates everybody.
The e-drama is through the roof, and we got a very contentious war going on in Iran.
And I think what the best thing that we can do on this show is how to walk through this very tumultuous moment that we're living in, where I think a lot of us just want to focus on domestic issues.
We want to focus on nation building at home.
Unfortunately, that's not exactly the most obvious thing for any of us to do because of so much noise that's going around.
Blake, I'm going to throw to you first and foremost.
You asked the question, what is MAGA?
Define it for us.
What is MAGA right now in this moment with Iran, with, like I said, the e-drama and so much else?
Well, I mean, part of the reason, the reason we titled it that way is we did, of course, we've seen, we saw friction over the weekend.
We won't get into the full details of it because it's a little silly, but Megan Kelly was in a fight with Mark Levin that's obviously rooted in the Iran stuff and obviously personality friction as well.
And what happened last night was the president on Truth Social decided to weigh in on it personally and he took the side.
He didn't name Megan, but he supported Mark Levin.
And one of the lines he said at the end of his post was basically that people who are bashing Levin, going after him, those people are not MAGA.
I am is what he said.
And one interpretation of MAGA is it basically is it is the people who support it is it is President Trump.
President Trump, he ran on that slogan.
He has the power to define what that slogan is.
But does everyone feel that way?
A lot of people have tried to articulate a MAGA agenda in terms of issues, whether that's on immigration, whether that's on interventionism, whether that's on trade and a lot of other stuff.
And so that's kind of why it's an open question, because I think there is, is there a MAGA that stands separately from the president himself?
And the president himself, I think, unsurprisingly, given Trump's personality, he does mostly see it in terms of his personal branding.
Yeah.
And so, Jack, I think, you know, that is one contention, right?
This is something that the president has said over and over again.
I am MAGA.
And those who kind of come at me right now, they're not loyal to the cause.
You are an OG 2016, 2015 MAGA.
You know, I would call you one of the leaders on the social media side.
And you've been that way for about a decade now.
You know, there does seem to be fraying at the fringes here, especially about foreign policy.
So what do you do when everything's up in tumult?
People are confused which way to go and what to make of it.
How are you approaching this moment?
Yeah, so there's, you know, these definitional questions come up a lot.
And at the same time, I would also point out that, you know, MAGA, the coalition, the people who have voted for Trump, that has changed over time as well.
So the 2024 coalition, the coalition that Charlie worked so hard to put together, that Turning Point Action worked on, that's different than the 2016 coalition and the groups.
Obviously, it was much more successful in 24.
2016, you know, you can't take anything away from the historic nature of that.
It was obviously something that was unprecedented.
But 2024, just in terms of sheer raw numbers, point on the board victory was bigger.
And the difference, I guess I would say, is that in 2024, it was this coalition that came together where instead of just, you know, 2016 was sort of like the anti-neocons, the Bernie Bros, and you're sort of like traditional Republicans.
But in 2024, and of course, the anti-neocons are obviously have a lot of consternation right now.
And so the 2024 coalition was even broader and bigger than that, because now you got Maha, now you've got the libertarians.
Now you, of course, you have the anti-neocons.
And of course, there's a lot of overlap with the libertarian crowd there as well.
You've got people who were motivated by COVID, you've got lockdowns.
You've got people who were motivated by DEI, by wokeness.
I mean, you just got so many people coming in in 2024 that inevitably there was going to be some friction points between the massive, you know, the massive parts of the massive coalition.
And of course, now you've also in 24 got the Zoomers on board, which is like a whole different, you know, quotient in and of itself.
And that was the part that Charlie and TPUSA had worked so hard on all through those years.
So if you look at it, right?
Like if you were in high school when Trump first ran, you know, 2024 may have been the first time you voted or, you know, somewhere, you know, voted for president at least.
And so, you know, just doing the math.
So this was like the Charlie Kirk coalition in 2024.
And so the way you work on things like this is very simple.
Look, Donald Trump is the president of the United States.
Donald Trump is the founder of the MAGA movement.
But just like any coalition, there are going to be different elements within that movement.
And so, you know, you can get caught up in these definitional games, but I do think that ultimately we're better served by people just sort of saying like, this is what I stand for.
This is what I think the best policy is.
And just arguing it out in those terms rather than trying to say, you know, one person is this and one person isn't allowed to be that.
I think that leads to subtraction.
And we all know that victory is through addition.
Yeah, I mean, I think what you're getting at, this coalitional truth that we need to build a coalition, there is no more contentious issue on the right.
There's just simply not than foreign policy because the divide between the neocons and the interventionists is not just a divide, it's a chasm.
And so, in one sense, as soon as the Iran conflict started, there should be no surprise that this has become so contentious.
President Trump said four weeks.
He said he'd be willing to move that timeline up or back.
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So we kind of are still in that time of uncertainty.
We don't know how this is going to play out.
There's a very positive way this could play out.
There's a more negative way this could play out, which is why Charlie warned against regime change in Iran, right?
We don't know all of the ancillary side effects.
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President Trump's talking about the ballroom.
So we're going to take a moment to welcome in Libby Emmons.
She's the editor-in-chief of the post-millennial and human events.
Welcome, Libby.
Thanks so much.
Glad to be here, Andrew.
And we're joined by Jack Pasevick.
We're asking a question, Libby, and I'd love to get you in on this.
You know, what is MAGA, right?
We look across the conservative landscape and it's a mess out there right now.
And I think, you know, I'm thinking of the Kipling poem where it's like, you know, if you can keep your head when everybody else is losing theirs.
But President Trump defines it as, you know, this is, he's the founder of this movement.
And so get in line.
He's been very consistent to his credit about Iran over the years.
A lot of us harbor skepticisms about regime change in the Middle East.
So what do you make of this moment as, you know, everything seems to be a mess out there?
Yeah, everything does seem to be a mess out there.
And I disagree with Trump that MAGA is Trump.
I think Trump captured an ethos that was already out there.
I think he tapped into something that so many Americans were feeling.
And I think MAGA has more to do with a set of values and perspectives than it does a single man.
Otherwise, it would not be a movement that would continue.
And that's a movement that continued throughout Biden's four years.
And I think it's a movement that will continue after Trump is gone.
I think MAGA has to do with putting America first, American priorities in terms of the domestic situation, in terms of prosperity and equal access to opportunity in a lot of cases, you know, for Americans, which means that your schools are decent and you can go to them and attend them, which means that you're getting a fair shake in the housing market and it's not all being bought up by corporations, you know, which means that when you go to apply for a job or go to apply to college,
your merit is what's taken into consideration, not some random identity factors.
And I think that MAGA has to be a set of values more than it can be possibly just one man.
Otherwise, you can't stand for anything, right?
You can't stand on shifting sands of perspectives and ideas.
You have to stand for something, or else, you know, as they say, you'll fall for anything.
Jack, I want to get you back in on this because I think, by the way, Libby, you probably articulated Blake's POV pretty well, I would think, but I'll let Blake answer that in just a sec.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, Blake.
No, no, it's great.
It's just no, let's let Jack.
Let's look at Jack go here.
Yeah.
Jack, I want to get you to respond to that, but you are the kind of foreign Intel analyst.
You're watching this space all the time, but yet you are domestic in your focus as well.
How do you marry the two of these right now?
Yeah, that's a great point.
So, you know, this is obviously like I do a lot of geopol analysis and I actually was a Navy intelligence officer, you know, and, you know, so this is something that's always, you know, of a great interest when we have these things come up.
I'm like, aha, finally, some everyone understands why I post maps about choke points and maritime trade routes so much.
It seems like totally arcane until everyone finds out how much it really, really matters in the world.
And, you know, that being said, the questions of what will be successful politically are certainly different from how the world economy operates and how the world economics operate back and forth.
And so, you know, I've always said that, look, I thought that when I was in the United States Navy and when I was in the intelligence community serving as I did, that I started to get the feeling that perhaps our focus as a country was too abroad.
Our focus was not enough on our own issues, on things that actually mattered to us, on things that actually affected us in our country, like the southern border, like the cartels, like the issues of problems and crime in our city, the issues of mass migration.
All of those issues are the issues that built the MAGA movement.
That's what brought us all on board and brought us all together in 2015 and 2016, with, of course, the leader and singular man of that movement being Donald J. Trump.
And when he came down the golden escalator, that's exactly what he talked about.
And so certainly it's been this idea that we are going to shift the focus.
And you may all, you may kind of say that just analytically, I guess you could say that if there is a split anymore, it's not within MAGA.
The split is more MAGA and then America first, right?
So MAGA is more, we back Trump.
We want Trump to be, you know, he's our guy, 100%.
You know, we may have certain, you know, certain differences on tactics here and there, but we're going to stand with Trump.
Then America first is this group that says, we don't want to do, you know, anything foreign.
It's domestic only.
Domestic has to be in the front.
And that movement is something that, interestingly enough, you start to see Democrats dipping into.
You start to see Mandami talk about this.
And when we did the debate analysis, we talked about that.
You start to see things like Gavin Newsom talk about this, where he's saying, oh, I want to focus here and not abroad.
So it's become this sort of jump ball, I feel right now.
And I think the Democrats are going to try.
Their next move is going to be to say, oh, well, you guys are for foreign intervention.
We are the true America first.
So watch for that.
Blake, I invoked your name earlier.
I want to give you a chance to chime in.
No, I think that's reasonable.
I think they're all on good points that especially those of us who've been around this movement a long time.
There is a strong sense.
Oh, MAGA, we want MAGA to last beyond Trump.
One reason you don't want to say MAGA is just Trump is Trump will not be around forever.
Trump will eventually be gone.
And we still want a movement that is not neocon GOP, that is not George Bush GOP, that is not the GOP of old.
But it is also very much the case that through kind of repeated trials, repeated events, MAGA has ended up being, for lack of a better term, like Trump has oscillated in different directions.
He's caught us off guard and he's always stuck around.
And the movement has really become very much, how to put this.
I will say President Trump has a point if he says like, I am MAGA.
And to some extent, the movement is basically what I say it is because he's repeatedly defined it that way.
And he has kind of bashed away and like battered off every single challenger who would suggest it was anything else.
And so I think Jack has a point that maybe you need to articulate another phrase, like America first or whatever you want to take this package of views so that it's not 100% identical to one person.
And this is the thing about the right.
The right is more hierarchical.
We are more inclined to basically get in line behind our guy if he says this is the right thing to do, if he says this is what we need to be doing.
And so yeah, I think we, you know, it might be a good idea to have another label for the issues that we care about.
You know, so I've gotten attacked.
I think Blake, you and I on this show for being, you know, I think they took a clip out of context.
The internet did and said we were departing from Charlie's view on Iran.
He was super anti-war.
And yeah, Charlie was super anti-war.
But, you know, we were warning against the perils of regime change in the Middle East as well before the lead up.
But Charlie, sort of in this divide that you're mentioning here, Jack, it was his decision was always, listen, I worked my butt off to get President Trump elected.
Even when I privately have differences of opinion, I'm going to back the guy because there's been no other fighter that we have in the modern era that has so embodied the values that I care most about.
And so I'm going to get behind him and we're going to hope for the best.
I'm going to argue his points.
There's a point to be made.
And so I, you know, that's kind of what we do here.
A couple of things I can't abide by.
I cannot abide by not supporting our troops.
I cannot abide by not wishing success on this country.
I cannot abide by any of that stuff.
I can't abide by the brain rot where you're trying to scapegoat people.
So listen, yeah, these are perilous, gut-wrenching times that make us all sort of, you know, wonder how it's going to work out.
But we've been here before with President Trump.
Charlie understood this.
And he ultimately did place his trust and his support behind the president when he made tough calls.
So I think we're just sort of stuck in this time.
You know, President Trump said four to five weeks.
Okay, we're in the four to five weeks here.
Buckle up, everybody.
Here we go.
Let's hope this ends well and let's pray for the success of our troops.
Libby, what am I missing?
No, I agree with you on that to a certain extent.
Yes, now that we're in this war, I want us to win it.
I want us to win it decisively.
And I want our troops to come home and be out of harm's way.
That's a huge deal.
I support our troops 100%.
I do think that it's difficult to look at this entanglement as someone who is pretty much anti-war and come away with, you know, and come away with the perspective that this was the right thing to do at the right time.
I'm not sure about that, you know, and I think time will tell and certainly history will let us know.
I'm someone who marched against the Iraq war way back in 2003.
I'm not prepared to go out and be marching against this war at this point.
You know, I've definitely looked back at my life and said perhaps shutting down the 59th Street Bridge was not the best idea and maybe I wouldn't do that again.
But yeah, I think that there's concerns.
Arguing about whether or not we should back our troops is not something we should argue about.
Everyone should be backing our troops.
I also think that what Jack said, that this is giving the Democrats an area where they can really start to make some inroads with the American people is something that we should be watching out for because it's hard to look at the Democrats, you know, and not see all of the things that they are also going to be advocating for.
Continuing to trans kids, continuing the American genocide of abortion.
You know, there were like a million, close to a million abortions, I think, in 2024.
That's an insane number.
So if conservatives really want to make sure that they have a hold of some of these issues and can save lives in this country, we have some states that are on board with euthanasia.
None of this stuff can go forward.
And so we have to be wary of all of those things.
Yeah, well said.
I mean, I find the Democrats to be completely unacceptable, but we are giving them an avenue to be the America first in some ways, at least politically from a messaging standpoint.
I don't believe any of it.
I want to give a quick word, a note about Susie Weil's been diagnosed with breast cancer.
President Trump put out a truth to that, so our prayers are with her for her health and safety.
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This is Charlie talking about this very exact dynamic, CUT 26.
Let me tell you what President Trump has in front of him.
And this is the stuff of which statements, statesmans are made.
A statesman is a man at the highest moment when you have the weight of the shoulders, like Churchill or Lincoln, of the world on your shoulders.
You act with prudence and not on ideological fervor.
President Donald Trump is a man made for this moment.
This is why President Trump was elected president of the United States.
It's the man in the arena that counts.
But I encourage you as you view the next couple of days to not view things overly ideological.
In fact, we should resist ideological fervor.
Resist ideological fervor, the man in the arena.
I am still on this point that, yes, I was not pro in regime change in Iran, but I will back President Trump's play here.
He's earned our trust.
He is the man in the arena right now.
And we have to, must pray for the success of our troops and our country, that this ultimately would work out in a way that would benefit America first as we try to define it.
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But listen, the longer this goes on, there's no doubt that this will become more and more difficult.
All right, Libby, I'm going to get to your why we actually brought you on to the show today.
And that is that the Oscars, the Oscars took a swipe at the All-American Halftime Show yesterday.
And so we got to play it.
Cut 17.
I should warn you, tonight could get political.
Okay?
And if that makes you uncomfortable, there's an alternate Oscars being hosted by Kid Rock.
Yeah.
It's at the Damon Busters down the street.
A lot of tickets for that.
All right, Libby.
We see that.
We see SNL is got Tucker Carlson making fun of him.
We are living through a remarkable cultural moment that we need to pause and appreciate.
And that's why I brought you on here.
What do you make of this?
The Oscars, what do you make of SNL?
All of it.
Yeah, so the thing with the Oscars, Conan O'Brien, somebody didn't tell him that 25 million people actually streamed the turning point.
No, Libby.
Libby.
Yes.
The way that Nielsen rates it, we had over 50 million people.
Oh, well, okay.
I was just tracking back this morning through my previous notes and I didn't see that.
So amazing.
Congratulations again.
But yeah, someone didn't tell Conan that.
Someone didn't tell Conan that Americans are moving away from the box office, you know, like never before.
I took a look at some of the stats and American Beauty, which won the best picture back in 2000, made about the same as Sinners, which sort of came in second place this year.
So it's not like things are going better for Hollywood than they were even 26 years ago.
Nobody's really interested in that.
People don't like watching the Oscars.
You know, so I think that I think that's something to recognize.
Timothy Chalamet's recent comments about opera and ballet being dying art forms could just as easily be applied to the cinema.
These Hollywood people should recognize that.
And instead, they just lament that more people should go to the box office.
If you look at some of the Oscar speeches or the SAG speeches, the Golden Globe speeches this year during the whole awards season, you'll see multiple, multiple directors, writers, actors telling people to bring your kids to the movies.
These are the same kinds of comments that I heard when I was a kid.
Bring your kids to the theater.
Bring your kids to the opera.
Let them know.
Bring them to the ballet.
You know, like all of this stuff.
And instead, these are still just dying art forms.
And eventually they will disappear to a certain extent or become niche or whatever.
And as for SNL, yeah, they had some funny jokes on Spinner.
Yeah, Libby, I've actually, it's a longer clip, but it is worth playing because everybody has a bit of a stake here in Tucker Carlson.
We're all sharing similar mediums and we all hear about it.
And Blake used to write for him.
Jack is close with him.
Here we go.
Cut 24.
Many are excited for the Oscars tomorrow.
Some people think liberal politics are influencing the awards too much.
Here with his take is conservative commentator Tucker Carlson.
Hey, Keith Collins, let's all go to the movies.
Huh?
Really?
Yes.
Why don't we grab some popcorn and watch American culture collapse?
What are we doing?
Why don't we talk about sinners?
That's right.
Sinners.
Because of course, leftist woke America's favorite movie this year is about sinning.
Huh?
Why does that not surprise me?
No, sorry, kids.
We don't go to church anymore.
We go to sinners.
That's the rule.
That's the goal now.
What about Hamnet?
Oh, Hamnet.
Because we're not allowed to say Hamlet anymore.
No, no.
Took the L and gave it to the GBTQ.
Took the L and gave it to GBTQ is actually pretty witty.
I kind of wish one of us had come up with that at some point.
SNL actually had a great mahospital, like Maha Mo.
I think we played it in the cold over.
It was actually funny.
Jack, people don't know this, but you have your own critic background, film critic, TV critic background here.
True.
So what do you make of this cultural moment we're living?
It does feel a bit like we're such a, our side is so completely messed up in so many ways that we're giving them lots of fodder.
But what's your take?
Well, first of all, you know, I got to respond on the halftime show because our ratings clearly, clearly, if you look at what the turning point events team, if you look at what the turning point action team and everyone coming together did to get the ratings for the number one American YouTube live stream in history, 40 million households day of viewing in the first 24 hours.
And if you computed it the way, as you say, computed it the way Nielsen does household, you'd probably be looking at 50 to 60 million people because they always use the multiplier for the Super Bowl viewership.
And we know that there were people at at least twos and threes and fours watching our halftime show.
So, oh, so I'd love to go back.
And Conan, you have not had anything that's rated in 20 plus years.
You went down to Haiti and we're trying to like talk about how great Haiti is and walking around sipping Mai Tais while you've got cannibals named barbecue running around.
So no, Conan, Turning Point USA blew, absolutely blew the Oscars out of the water.
And I can't wait to see their overnights because I know it's lower.
When you look at the cultural moment, you know, I'm just going to say it.
I tweeted this morning about the Oscars that the Oscars has now become a contest of who can make the most anti-white movie.
So you've got Sinners, which is basically from dusk till dawn with BLM killing white people.
Then you've got the Leo Leonardo DiCaprio movie, and it's an Antifa raid on an ICE facility.
I mean, it's like the most insane, one fight after another.
And so it's just the most insane liberal, far-left, anti-white stuff gets the most awards.
You know, I tweeted out that I didn't even know that it was going on last night because I didn't.
I was busy hanging out with my kids and I was sent the clip and I just said, I didn't realize it was going on, but it's very clear that we live rent-free in their minds because they all noticed it.
And I just want to say one last thing.
While the world is losing its mind, we're going to keep ours.
And that's why we do things like the halftime show.
That's why the two largest cultural touch point moments of the last six months were Charlie's memorial and the halftime show.
We are going to keep building, keep moving forward because the only way through is through.
Thank you, Libby.
And Jack.
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I have been very loud about my criticisms of Senator Lindsey Graham, the neocon warmonger from South Carolina, who has just seemed to stay in office for a very long time.
Charlie Kirk.
Charlie always called him Lady Graham, as he called him.
Was that a Russianism?
Did he get that from Rush?
I'm pretty sure that's what a lot of people call him.
Let's put up this tweet from Charlie back in, it looks like June, July 1st, 2023.
He said, Senator Lindsey Graham gets booed off the stage at Trump's South Carolina rally.
Absolute humility.
The base is done with neocons who want to spend our money to bomb faraway lands.
Feels very relevant to our current moment.
Fix our border.
Use the military to wipe out the cartels and we'll respect you.
Ignore the domestic crisis at your own peril.
So that was that was just a few years ago.
And of course, we agree with it wholeheartedly.
We're going to have a special treat here, though.
We're going to have Paul Danz and his competitor in the primary, Lynch, as well.
You're going to hear from both of them.
We're going to let you decide.
So email us freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com.
So without further ado, our first guest is Paul Danz.
He's running for U.S. Senate for the great state of South Carolina.
Welcome to the show, sir.
Gentlemen, great to be with you.
Well, it's so good to have you.
My perspective right now, I'm keeping an open mind on both of you.
And I'm saying, as long as it's not Lindsey Graham, I'm excited.
That's how I feel right now.
But you have voters to appeal to in the state of South Carolina, and they need to hear directly from you.
And so, you know, that's the point of this moment right now.
So what is it going to take to beat Lindsey Graham?
And why are you the right candidate to do that?
Well, as of today, Lindsey Graham's going down.
That's the good news.
He's way below 50%.
In South Carolina, we have a runoff state.
So top two people going to runoff two weeks later.
Look, I'm the generational change candidate.
I'm a guy who's been MAGA from the jump.
I helped President Trump as a volunteer get elected.
I served in his first term.
I was what they call one of his killers.
I worked at HUD under Dr. Carson and then later OPM, the Office of Personal Management.
I was the guy who actually put in Schedule F and really wrestled the whole proposition of personnel as policy.
I took over that federal agency, gave it back to the president.
So I'm a guy who's been in the trenches, an actual guy in the arena.
President Trump, he's meeting with the Kennedy Center board today.
He actually put my wife on.
She's in world-famous ballerina, Mary Helen Bowers.
And as we speak, we are awaiting baby number five.
We were at the 40-week mark today, guys.
So if you hear something off camera, I can attest.
I saw your wife briefly behind you as we were prepping for this.
And she's pregnant.
I can attest, you know, that baby's got to be nearly ready.
So, you know, okay, so I guess the dig on you from the Lynch camp is that, you know, you're not a native South Carolinian, Carolinian.
Where are you from?
And what do you have to say to that attack?
Well, it's a really dumb attack.
I grew up in Maryland mainly, but my dad was in the military and he was a Vietnam vet.
We moved around.
And actually, half, a lot of our population here are military dependents.
So that's a really bad idea to go after military dependence.
But I got married here 20 years ago on Johns Island to my Carolina bride.
And we have been living here going on 10 years next year.
So we have 4.99 kids.
And I have a stake in the future.
I live the life that Charlie talked about, the going to church, getting married, having kids.
I took all three of those very seriously, probably the last one the most.
But this is about generational change.
You know, I go around to the TPUSA chapters and there's excitement, whether I'm at the College of Charleston or University of South Carolina, Clemson, Anderson, Coastal Carolina.
Everyone here, you know, Southern Charleston, Charleston Southern rather, are excited for a candidate who's out there living the life.
I was the architect of Project 2025.
So I have a vision for what this great state could be again.
And that's really what I want to do.
I want to make this a place for our kids so the next generation can have kids and come together and live as God intended in a land of milk and honey here in South Carolina.
Yeah.
Well, the whole Schedule F, that was one of my favorite ideas that emerged.
And so I just want to make sure I pause and give you some kudos if that was your brain child.
I think that was a really big shot across the deep state swamp bow right there.
Blake, I'm going to throw it to you.
Next question to you, sir.
Yeah, of course.
And if any of you have questions you want to ask, this is the time to do it.
Send us email, freedom at charliekirk.com for dance or for lynch later in the hour.
We'd love to see those.
I suppose a thing a lot of people are just going to want to know, and I'm just straightforwardly, is what meaningful change are they going to get by swapping from Graham to you?
And I think this is your chance to answer specifically, for example, how are you on questions like the filibuster, on the SAVE Act, on the SCAM Act?
What needs to change within the Senate?
And I guess another follow-up is, should there be a change of leadership in the Senate on the GOP side?
Right.
Peace in our time.
Okay.
I'm not a warmonger.
I'm a dad of five, and I want our kids to have a future in this great country.
So yeah, look, I'm jettising the filibuster day one.
I am a real conservative, an America first guy.
So I'm going to be doing foreign policy only through the lens of the U.S. first.
What affects the people on the ground here in South Carolina?
I'm offering generational change.
And what does that mean?
It's giving our next generation a stake.
Basically, I want to put shop class back in middle and high schools.
I want to teach kids to get ready for this big change with AI coming on.
I'm offering a 21st century homesteading act.
What does that mean?
That means declaring farmland critical infrastructure.
Imagine setting up a 100-acre farm, letting this next generation put down roots and raise healthy, local, affordable food right here in South Carolina.
This is what our ancestors did 100 years ago.
I'm going to tackle the opioid crisis.
Here in South Carolina, we have 2,000 people dying each year of opioids.
And it's the sort of thing where the Sacklers, if you know the Sacklers, they declared war here on our populations.
This is really.
Who are the Sacklers?
Okay, so the Sacklers were one of the groups that helped usher in the opioid crisis.
There's a great documentary on this, A Crime of the Century.
But this is a group that really went after white America as a genocide of sorts that were really targeting populations.
So we're now stepping back from that, saying, how can we fix South Carolina, get money in the pockets of people who can help the victims, but also give them the new life, the promise.
And I go and campaign.
I run into families and I tell them my platform.
And, you know, literally, I was in Murray's Inlet last week.
I'm talking to five people, a woman and a man.
She tells me her son died of opioids and the gentleman with her, his daughter.
So this is affecting everyone here.
It's really an epidemic.
But, you know, we were really promising to make a future here.
Our state, for those who haven't been here, is the worst in the country in terms of roads.
Our infrastructure is 30 years behind.
And we have a U.S. senator who spends every other weekend in foreign countries, whether he needs to or not.
All right, let's just play a clip from Lindsey Graham to express and show what we're up against here.
Cut eight.
They wanted the Iranians stop as much as the Israelis did.
So legally.
God bless Israel.
We should move all our stuff to Israel.
Thank you.
I don't even know what he means there exactly, but it does seem to be a repeat theme.
Paul Dance, what is your position on Israel, the war in Iran?
How should we be approaching it?
How should we be talking about it?
I'm just going to show my own cards here.
One of my issues is it just seems like he's frothing at the mouth, just so eager to bomb foreign lands.
How would you be different?
Well, he wants to bomb everything pretty much, the moves.
I am America first guy.
I am a guy who trusted in Trump.
We elected him as our commander-in-chief.
I have great trust in him.
Look, I'm a believer in Israel and its right to exist, but we have to measure everything by Americans' interests first.
And here you have a guy who's talking about sending our sons and daughters off to war in the Middle East.
It's really too much.
We've gone through the prior wars of this 21st century, and we know we, as Charlie warned, these are quagmires.
And President Trump, we rely on him to kind of.
But right now, we are very leery about any sort of ground war.
We want to concentrate here at home in the Western hemisphere.
Let's lock down from Terra del Fuego up to Greenland.
Let's make ourselves secure here so we don't have Chinese balloons floating over our country.
So what do you say to when President Trump says, listen, they were about to have an immunity shield.
They were making all these missiles.
Nobody was going to be able to attack the nuclear program that we've heard about for the last however many decades.
What do you say?
What's your reaction to that?
Well, I'm trusting in Trump.
I don't have access to that intelligence, but I do know that, you know, with Operation Midnight Hammer, they made a devastating blow.
And right now, we do have this strategic threat looming in the east, and we can't be everywhere at once.
So that's really the worry.
My worry is ultimately China and the threat matrix as we take missiles off of out of South Korea and move them to points Middle East.
Right now, the theory is that we have to protect ourselves.
But let's start first by getting back on our own feet, reindustrializing America.
We can't even build those submarines here because we don't have welders.
We don't have welders because we don't have shop class in school and high schools here.
And so I'm fundamentally about building back America first.
And if you throw me, you know, I'm endorsed by Tucker Carlson.
So I have a lot of his perspective on Israel.
But, you know, I want to protect them, but also measure it within the realm of what the United States can do at this stage.
Blake, do you have a follow-up for what always goes with foreign policy is, of course, immigration.
Another question we like to ask candidates on immigration, do you support an immigration moratorium?
Or if not, what's your ideal balance for how many people should be coming into America?
I'm all for the moratorium.
Look, and I also want to stop H-1B visas.
I want to start sending these 50 million visa holders home.
I want American kids to be grad school students in engineering colleges again.
I want TAs who speak English.
Look, I went to MIT.
I went to public schools and got there.
But we deserve a better educational system.
And so that starts with this mass immigration.
Lindsey Graham, of course, famously Graham Nesty, he's the guy who's been on watch for these 32 years when 20 million came in here.
He's the guy who offered the Afghan Adjustment Act to give people citizenship, the same ones who killed Sarah Bextram.
She's the National Guardswoman assassinated within a block of the White House at Thanksgiving.
So, yes, we have to go after immigration.
And that starts by giving our kids the opportunities here at home.
So, you know, we have to address the elephant in the room here, Paul, and that is that, you know, you say in Trump we trust.
We're trusting that he's making these tough decisions.
But he's endorsed Lindsey Graham.
So what do you do with that?
It seems like you don't take it personally, but what do you tell the voters in South Carolina about that?
Well, let's remember, Trump endorsed Lindsey Graham back in March.
I jumped in this race in August.
It's because I couldn't hold my nose and I was not on the radar for President Trump.
So I jumped in this because I've been the Trump guy from the jump.
When Lindsey Graham was saying, you know, that he'd be the worst president or a disaster for the Republican Party, went on to pass that dossier over to the FBI.
I'm a guy who was working for President Trump and in the war room.
So look, I don't take it personally.
Every day that the Trump administration rolls out Project 2025 proposals that include stuff like putting the servicemen back in who were drilled out because they refused to take the jab or stripping DEI from our military, all these sort of things.
That's kind of an imprimatur of my work.
We have to get Lindsey Graham out.
He is very unpopular here at home.
And right now he's under way under 50%.
So there will be a runoff.
It's who is your fighter?
Who's the guy who's actually been fighting?
And who do you want in the future?
Yeah.
And so let's go there.
And Blake, if you have a follow-up, please, by all means.
I'm going to ask about Lynch next.
So I don't know.
Do you have a follow-up?
No, I think now's a good time to get it.
Yeah.
So you just mentioned the runoff here, Paul.
So we've got, give us the schedule of events and then make your case.
Why you and not Lynch?
Right.
We got about 205 or six events in the next 80 days or so to the election.
The primary is June 9th.
I'm moving all over the state.
I just threw in a million dollars of my own money for this race.
I've hired the number one digital team in the state.
These are the guys who took Charleston here, where I'm talking to you from.
They flipped it to red for the first time since Reconstruction.
So we are moving out digitally.
This is where all the excitement is.
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And, you know, this is also the promise in the next generation.
I should also say for older viewers, look, get your cotton picking hands off Social Security, Lindsey Graham, because he's going to cut those benefits, given a chance to pay for these wars.
And he's doing the same with vets benefits.
I'm going to be a guy who works for the constituents.
And for that matter, for Democrats here in South Carolina, we all sit in traffic.
We all have the horrific infrastructure.
We all get the terrible electric bills.
When I bring healthy food here, that's going to help everyone.
So that's the promise of this campaign.
It's really a generational change.
Lindsey, my two opponents, they're 70-year-old guys.
That's old.
That's out.
And one's an unknown.
And the other guy we know all too well, what he'll do is backstab President Trump.
He'll put in Democrats on the Supreme Court like he did Kagan and Sodomayor.
He put those district court judges.
I'm a top attorney.
I went to the University of Virginia School of Law.
I'm former president of the Federalist Society for two terms.
I'm a constitutional conservative, and I will be a force.
I will get Fauci in an orange jumpsuit.
Okay, that's what I'm going to do.
I'm actually going to drag these scoundrels.
There's no way they're getting off on my watch.
You know, you look at the Comey and Clapper and all these clowns that Lindsey Graham never did anything for.
Let's send somebody to Washington who's actually going to go after them.
Well, you probably just won a lot of fans in this audience with the Fauci line.
I'm not going to lie.
He killed my father.
When I get up there in the Judiciary Committee, I'm going to be like, Fauci, my name is Paul Dans.
You killed my father.
Prepare to lie.
Yeah, fair enough.
So what about your opponent, Lynch?
Why you and not him?
Well, I've been in the arena.
That's the bottom line.
It's a little late to start walking on the field for Super Bowl Sunday when you haven't taken a play in the NFL.
I've been working for President Trump since 15.
I was in the engine room at 16, helped him across the line in Pennsylvania.
Then I went to work for Dr. Carson.
Like I said, I took over a federal agency at OPM.
I know the whole gang because I set up Project 2025 and worked with TPUSA and 100 other partners in the conservative spirit.
So, you know, this is, I'm ready to get to work day one.
I know the policies.
A lot of what the White House is doing is works that came from what I had helped organize.
So, you know, whether it's working with the DPC and Vince Haley, look, I know Vince.
You know, I helped him.
They got the first six copies of our book.
So this is seamless.
I'm going to be President Trump's number one fighter in the U.S. Senate.
And you're going to have Paul, you know, a guy you can walk in his office and say, no, get me some answers.
I want to see people in leg irons.
You know, with the Sacklers, look, they better get me on a good day because that's prison on a good day.
And God forbid on a bad day.
What's happened here is genocide.
And people need, we need accountability.
Fauci, again, on a good day, he'll be in jail.
Blake, final question to you.
We got a minute and a half left.
You know, I guess I think we've got a pretty, I think we got it.
That was such a strong statement.
I almost don't want to muddle it with another question here.
You made a strong case.
We want to be clear.
Yeah.
Well, so definitely send us emails.
But we want to just make it clear.
We haven't endorsed anyone in this, but I know Charlie was an ally of yours, a friend of yours.
He was a huge fan of Project 2020 25, and people should take all of that into an account.
But definitely send us emails on how you feel about this.
Yeah.
Final word, Paul.
We need to honor Charlie's legacy.
He came to the Alabama theater here in North Myrtle Beach three weeks before he was killed and said, South Carolina, you need a new U.S. Senator.
He's talking to all of us, not just us here in South Carolina.
I've thrown down for this.
I put in my money.
I'm putting my life on the line.
And I've gotten death threats, right?
With Project 2025, Biden put a death threat on me.
But the reality is like we're patriots 250 years.
So I'm asking everyone who's listening, go to pauldans.com.
Sign up.
Follow us at Dans for Senate on X. Throw in some of your tribute, your money if you can.
This is something that we could easily do, but it needs all of us coming together.
So God bless you.
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Thank you for your time, sir.
That was a very compelling pitch.
Thank you, sir.
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Without further ado, I want to welcome our next guest, Mark Lynch, who's running for Senate in the great state of South Carolina to unseat Lindsey Graham.
Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show, sir.
Thank you, Andrew.
Thank you for having me on.
Well, it's a pleasure, and I'm excited to see the contrast here.
I want to play a cut from Lindsey Graham just to set the stage.
Go ahead and play it, studio.
I go back to South Carolina.
I'm asking them to send their sons and daughters over to the Mideast.
What I want you to do in the Mideast, our friends in Saudi Arabia and other places, step forward and say, this is my fight, too.
I join America.
I'm publicly involved in bringing this regime down.
So, sir, that is the senator right now from the state of South Carolina.
What's it going to take to unseat Lindsey Graham and why are you the right man for the job?
Well, the people in South Carolina have said 57% of them back when we polled in May that they will not vote for Lindsey Graham again.
They love Trump.
They know Trump endorsed Lindsey, but that endorsement won't save him this time.
And I'm running on a God-first platform to bring back true conservative patriotism to this seat.
Lindsey has had a 57% constitutional voting record.
He's failing South Carolinians.
He's betrayed us with a 43% conservative review score.
And he stabs Trump in the back every chance he has.
And we've all seen him.
He hasn't been in South Carolina for over a year.
He's been everywhere else, you know, trying to start World War III because he's got a bloodlust.
He salivates when he talks about war.
But he'll come back home to take our sons and daughters over to the Middle East.
I don't think so.
You're not taking our children over there for your bloodlust financial gain.
And we say no to that in South Carolina.
And enough's enough.
We've had enough in Lindsey.
I think that's the bloodlust really resonates.
It resonates with me.
It resonates, I'm sure, with Blake.
And of course, it resonated with Charlie.
So the question then becomes, why you and not Paul Dan's?
Why should South Carolinians vote for you in the primary and send you to the runoff against Lindsey Graham?
Well, I was born in Greenville.
I'm a lifelong South Carolinian.
Paul's never lived here.
He's from New York, resides in Maryland.
He steps into this race, I think, to probably upset the numbers and split the vote off.
He's an attorney, and South Carolina says they're not for attorneys.
They're for successful businessmen like Trump.
They don't want another attorney or career politician.
So that's me.
I've run my family business, and I've grown it 35 times in 40 years, and we're debt-free.
I don't think Paul even has a job right now since he was fired from Heritage Organization.
So South Carolinians are looking for somebody that's worked through normal life stuff.
I've been married 37 years to the same woman.
We have two children, four grandchildren.
We're very successful and run a debt-free business.
And I've put $5 million of our retirement fund, my wife and I's retirement fund, when we decided to do this, to make people understand we're committed to this race.
We've got skin in the game.
And I came up through this and got asked to run from my work in the national security space, working with John Guandolo, who is one of the heads of the anti-terrorism division of the FBI, working with General Mike Flynn, who's fully endorsed my campaign.
So we're for real, and we bring that knowledge to this seat that's needed in this United States Senate seat.
Blake?
Yes.
Next question to you, sir.
Yeah, Mark.
So we asked Paul his position on, obviously, immigration is another big issue that a lot of people care about.
He said he endorsed a moratorium on immigration for the United States.
How do you feel on the immigration question in particular?
And what's the right approach for the U.S. on obviously illegal, but also legal immigration?
Yeah, and that's the key word.
We have immigration.
This American dreams for everybody if they come through the proper channels of legal vetting.
But to have open borders like we've had with Obama and Biden, thousands of terrorists have entered this country illegally.
Lindsay's been for granting amnesty for all illegal aliens, which is just insane.
And, you know, he's helped produce these sanctuary cities that he's now saying he's against and trying to stop.
But, you know, America's full.
We've got to get rid of the illegal aliens in here and deport them.
They know they're illegal.
A lot of them are terrorists.
And like everybody says now with this Iran war, what are we going to do about the sleeper cells?
And people understand that now.
And, you know, we've been working in this area since 2014, training our police and FBI and sled agents and police deputies and sheriff's deputies on dealing with the Islamic infiltration in America and dealing with it at the local level.
So we've got a real problem here, and we've got a lot of work to do.
So on the legal immigration front, just to kind of drill in a little there, right now, you know, we issue about 1.2 million green cards a year, essentially.
Do you have a disagreement with that number?
Is it too high?
Is it just right?
Would you go for maybe a net zero immigration moratorium on the legal side of that ledger?
Yeah, we probably need a net zero for a while to get cleaned up and get caught up to what we've caused.
And we've got to stop the H-1B and opt visas.
You know, we have students at like Clemson University talking about that.
One of the students said, I'm an engineering student and I graduate next year and I'm going to be competing against students from India.
Their country paid for their tuition and they'll never assimilate into this country and they'll take my job for half pay.
And I was born here.
And, you know, Mr. Lynch, what are we doing about that?
And I agree.
We've got to bring back America first principles, bring our manufacturing back, and hire Americans for our jobs.
I want to ask another question because it's another one we put to Paul.
So there's a lot of dispute among the base over whether the Senate is doing enough to support the president at the leadership level.
We have this dispute over the SAVE Act, whether they should get rid of the filibuster.
Do you think it is time for us to get rid of the filibuster to pass more conservative legislation?
And do you think we should have different leadership of Republicans in the Senate?
100%.
You know, we have, we use a nice word called rhinos, like we use abortion for murdering our children in this country.
It's murder.
But we've got to get true Republicans back in the Senate.
And I'm for ending the filibuster.
The filibuster allows for our Senate to hide.
They play the shell game.
They don't ever get to a decision.
If anything's hard on one side or the other, it stalls out.
And, you know, we have our Homeland Security Department of our country closed for 30 days or more so far.
That's incredible.
I don't get to do that in my business.
We have to gather up our biggest, best committees on a subject, analyze it, hear all the angles, and make a decision and keep moving forward.
If I close my business for a month, that would be detrimental to our company's future and to our employees.
That's insane.
Yeah, I mean, I think we all share your frustrations in that.
You know, we just had a great senator on the show, Eric Schmidt from the great state of Missouri.
He's proposing something called the Scam Act.
You see these sleeper cells that have popped up, whether they're lone wolves or not.
They're motivated by Islamic ideas, jihad.
He's proposing that we make it easier to denaturalize and deport these people.
Would you support the Scam Act, sir?
Yes, from what you've told me, yes.
I mean, we've got a problem.
You know, in the Quran, all Muslims are jihadists, and jihad is warring against all non-Muslims.
And there's two forms of jihad and the surah versus the sword, military action, and then civilization jihad, where they say they will take their enemies down by their own hands.
And we've experienced that in this country.
They've never fired a shot.
I mean, in South Carolina, they're proposing we're one of two states left in the country that hasn't passed a hate crimes bill.
And a hate crimes bill is being promoted by CARE, the Council of American Islamic Relations, and they're a Hamas terrorist organization.
Now, why would CARE be so interested in South Carolina State House passing a hate crimes bill?
Because that'll do away with our First Amendment freedom of speech rights, and it ushers in Sharia law.
It's just another form of getting that done.
And all Muslims are obligated to establish in a caliphate under Sharia law, period.
And there's no other version of Islam taught anywhere in the world.
We've got a problem right here at home where Lindsay's focused on everything else and he's left our country.
And we've got issues right here where we've allowed all these terrorists to pour in here all these years and report to their assigned locations.
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We need to get rid of Lindsey Graham.
And so we had Paul Danz, and now we're talking with Mark Lynch.
So let's talk about Israel, foreign policy.
I have an honest question here, Mark.
How many days a month is Lindsey Graham even in South Carolina?
None.
He's been in Israel going over there at least every couple of weeks, like he says, for two weeks.
And he says, I'll die with Israel.
You know, so we see his loyalties to Israel and not America.
I mean, that's shocking.
And I hope everybody internalizes that at home.
You know, we have a lot of evangelicals that watch this show.
They love Israel.
We support them.
We like them more than the other guys.
But I say, I was born in this country.
I'm going to die in this country.
My kids are born in this country.
They're going to die in this country.
I'm all about this country.
What's your position, sir, on the state of Israel?
How should America's partnership be with Israel?
And then relate it to the conflict in Iran, please.
Yes.
Well, I love Israel.
You know, my Lord and Savior was a Jew.
But if I go to the U.S. Senate, I work for America.
And we have our own sovereignty right here to protect.
And I've read the book.
Nobody's going to mess with Israel.
God's got his hand on them.
He's blessing Israel, protecting them.
I know they're surrounded by all these Muslim nations, and they are our ally.
But on a business standpoint, in math, we're broke.
We're $38 trillion in debt.
So if Netanyahu called and I was sitting with Trump, I'd say, hey, we were just fixing to call you to ask you for some money.
We're broke over here.
And can you send us some F-15s and a couple of billion dollars?
We need some cash right now.
We're in a bind over here.
We've got to tend to our stuff at home before we can come back over there and help you.
And I know I love Trump.
He's one of the greatest presidents ever.
He's for promoting peace.
He's a great negotiator, like we've all seen.
And he gives people a chance and he promotes peace.
And Lindsay, I don't know who he thinks he is back during the Ukraine dilemma this past summer.
Finally, Trump called him out on it and said, you need to be careful what you're talking about over there to Zelensky.
He was trying to arbitrate between Putin and Zelensky and promote peace.
And Lindsay's a warmonger doing everything he can for his two major contributors, Boeing and Lockheed Martin, who both contributed like over $30 and $40 million in his last race in 2020.
So we know war is big bucks, but it's blood money.
We can't start wars we don't need to start.
We need to promote peace in the world and do the right thing and take care of our Americans here at home and run our country and not let other countries run us or some bloodlust war mongerer like Lindsey Graham.
It's got to stop.
Everybody's tired of it.
I want to poke at another issue where I think there could be a difference between you and Mr. Dan's.
So you mentioned the budget, how we're broke.
Dan's, when he was on here, he warned that Lindsey Graham wants to reduce Social Security benefits, that he'll go after some of the senior entitlements to pay for the war.
To pay for his wars.
Yes, exactly.
So how do you feel on that dimension?
Do you think it is time that we reformed some of those things?
Or where, since we are concerned about the budget and how broke we are, where do you think that Congress should look to reduce spending?
I mean, everywhere.
When we present, we show the hierarchy of the government.
We show all the unconstitutional agencies.
And one of them is like the Department of Education.
We've been corrupting our minds with a core education program that communists and Islamic terrorists wrote to get our children to hate America.
They don't learn our history.
They get taught they should probably look at transgender surgeries and change their sex if they want to.
And these departments and unconstitutional agencies in the country, if we could close them all down, the expert economists say that would bring back 80% of our budget.
And one of them is the Federal Reserve.
That's a conglomeration of the richest families in the world that went down to Jekyll Island and formed that.
And we're printing money, increasing our inflation.
And then we wake up and they take a skim overnight like they did in 2008, and $300 billion was paid off to them.
And then they ushered in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and started taking over our housing and Obamacare, our health insurance.
And we're slowly rolling into communism.
You know, and everybody's, I think, caught up on that topic now.
And we see where we are.
But we've got to cut spending.
That's what I do in business.
You know, we're debt-free, personally and corporately.
And when we don't have money, I don't have a printer that we can just keep printing more money.
So war is a costly thing.
And we've been spending an average at the beginning of $1.5 billion a day and increasing and adding on to our deficit at $38 trillion and growing.
We can't pay the interest, and our grandchildren aren't going to have a chance at the country that I grew up in.
And that's why I'm running to stop this and get it back under control.
So you would be a budget hawk.
It sounds like a deficit hawk, which we fully endorse.
So, yeah, Lindsay's been the head of the budget committee.
He's failing in that area too, isn't he?
So it's time for him to go.
30 seconds here, sir.
I think this is going to be a referendum on who can beat Lindsay.
So we'll end where we started.
Final pitch: why can you beat Lindsay and not Dan's?
And tell people where they can find you.
Yes.
Well, I'm a lifelong South Carolinian.
We have the finances in our FEC account to do it.
Paul doesn't.
I'm a God-fearing patriot.
I'm an ordained deacon at our church.
We wear these crosses with the American flag on it because making God first again will be the key to making America great again.
That'll just be the fruit if we can bring God back into Congress.
You know, our forefathers knew that God endowed us with certain unalienable rights.
And my only authority as your United States Senator for South Carolina will be to protect those making decisions based off of God's word and through the Constitution.
That's how I make every decision.
God bless you.
Mark Lynch, running for Senate.
Thank you for your time, sir.
God bless you.
Thank you.
God bless y'all.
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