Speeches From the Archive: Charlie’s 2023 Speech at Seattle Revival Center
Charlie Kirk, leader of Turning Point USA, frames cultural battles as spiritual wars, condemning Washington’s SB 5599 for allowing irreversible transgender surgeries on minors—like hysterectomies—and pediatricians’ forced compliance with AMA protocols pushing puberty blockers. He dismisses government UAP transparency as a distraction, ties rising gender transitions to bullying and "feminine" societal shifts, and urges pastors to engage boldly or resign, warning militias could spark government overreach while advocating lawful self-defense. Truth, he insists, is the most loving weapon against evil, even if offensive, demanding a "whole of life strategy" to combat abortion, immigration policies, and perceived tyranny—challenging apathy as the real enemy. [Automatically generated summary]
I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.
My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.
If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable.
But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful.
College is a scam, everybody.
You got to stop sending your kids to college.
You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible.
Go start a turning point, USA, college chapter.
Go start a turning point, USA, high school chapter.
Go find out how your church can get involved.
Sign up and become an activist.
I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.
Most important decision I ever made in my life.
And I encourage you to do the same.
Here I am.
Lord, use me.
Buckle up, everybody.
Here we go.
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Welcome to Seattle.
Thank you.
Yeah, I see some repeat customers from the first service.
How many of you were actually in the first service?
Keep your hands up.
Ushers, if you could walk them out.
That's a good sign, though.
That means we didn't see it.
I'm glad they stayed.
Yeah, that's really sweet.
Dude, it's such an honor to have you here on a Sunday morning.
Thank you.
Yeah, at our two Sunday morning services.
And we're doing something that you shouldn't be doing, especially in Seattle of all places, right?
Talking politics and government at church.
And I'm wondering, aren't you worried about being accused?
Okay, this is like the worst kind of accusation, right?
Like, and this is probably the nightmare of anybody here, okay?
But aren't you accused of being a Christian nationalist?
Yeah, the worst thing, right?
I mean, first of all, great to be here.
I love Washington.
I love this area.
I hate what they're doing to it.
That's what I always say.
It's some of the most beautiful country the Lord has given us.
Yeah, am I afraid of being accused?
First of all, this whole idea of like Christian nationalism is such a joke because it's two separate words that I do identify with, but they're trying to use it as a slur.
What they're trying to say is you Christians shouldn't care about your government, which is totally against Jeremiah 29, 7.
Come on.
Where Jeremiah 29, 7 says, demand the welfare of the nation that you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.
And so look, we talked about this in the first service, and I'll just repeat it for the first timers here.
Look, the Bible should instruct every single part of your life, and it does for me.
And for people that they say, well, I don't do politics.
We don't do that at church.
Look, it's not the most important thing.
The most important thing is Jesus.
The most important thing is Jesus.
I'll say that again and again and again.
And however, we have to ask, are there other things that Jesus wants us to be engaged or involved in?
Of course, when Jesus said at the mouth of the Jordan River, he said, on this rock build my church.
But the word is actually ecclesia.
It's a Greek word that means community gathering point.
It means, really, it was the modern, it was the ancient equivalent of getting involved in politics, right?
The business of the city.
And I look for some of you who say, well, Charlie, I just come to church, you know, to feel good and to get charged up.
Well, that's not what church should be.
Church should challenge you in every facet of your life to become better in your marriage, to become a better son, to become better at saving money, to become better at running your business, better at treating people that are not like you.
And yes, understanding the proper form of government.
And you must first ask some questions.
Is there a God?
Well, better sheep.
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
That means that there is a God and you are not him.
That's a big deal.
That's true.
What is a human being?
A human being is created in the image of God with a soul, that we are here for a purpose.
So once you answer these questions, then you can design government.
And you have to ask yourself the question, if you care about the downtrodden, if you care about people that are not able to fight for themselves, the last 100 years, what has been the number one murderer of humanity?
It's been government.
It's been tyrannical, authoritarian government.
And for the church to now be disconnected, be like, I don't care about government.
I don't care about our leaders.
This is a new modern twist on Christianity that is not biblical.
So everything we're going to be talking about is biblical in nature because God wants you to be free.
It's his heart for his people to be free.
That is the story of the Exodus.
That is what Christ comes.
As it says very clearly, the Spirit of the Lord is liberty, free from bondage.
And so my calling in this is to go to churches, and we'll explore this together, and to try to warn the American church that if the church does not speak clearly and truthfully in such a time as this, then this Marxist, godless movement is going to take over our entire country.
In fact, it already is.
The American church founded America, and America will survive or die based on whether or not the American church stands up and proclaims the truth.
Wow.
So God's been speaking to you a lot about Exodus recently and some very interesting prophetic parallelism as far as what's happening.
I wanted to ask you, like, I think a lot of us, because we are the church, right, versus going to a building and calling that church.
Right?
So I think that a lot of us, we the church, okay, might wrestle a little bit with what does it look like to be in the culture?
Like, what does it look like to have a vibrant church that's bringing reform and bringing kingdom within the culture, okay?
And as we've wrestled with that tremendously, especially in our country.
But also, how does that fit with some of the things that God is showing you out of the book of Exodus and the role of the righteous?
Yeah, I mean, we were just talking, my good friend up here, about the first five books of the Bible, which unfortunately too many Christians don't study.
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, numbers should be called in the wilderness, which is actually what it's called.
I don't know about you, but when I was young, I never read Numbers because I thought it was a math book.
And the actual title is In the Wilderness.
That's way cooler.
By the way, it's one of the most amazing books of the Bible.
You have talking donkeys, spies, giants, Hebrews complaining, but that's basically every book, so that's not unique to.
But it's an amazing book.
And you have spies, right?
You have this incredible book, and you have numbers.
Can you think of a worse title of one of the most exciting book?
Numbers.
The actual Hebrew is in the wilderness.
That's a separate issue.
But I've really been continually drawn to Exodus.
And Exodus comes from two Greek words, exhodos, the way out.
And in some ways, I think we need deliverance, the way that God delivered his chosen people out of the slavery and out of the authoritarianism of Pharaoh.
There's a couple verses I want to highlight to you in Exodus.
One in particular, which I think is the turning point, if you will, of the entire Torah of the Old Testament, which you remember the story of Joseph.
Joseph goes to Egypt.
He does not interpret the dreams.
God interprets the dreams.
He merely communicates it.
And he really saves Egypt from famine, from starvation.
It's this beautiful story, and that's how the book of Genesis ends.
And the book of Exodus begins, and it's this unbelievable, like first couple verses is, and then rose a king of Egypt who did not know Joseph.
Wow.
And everything changes.
And you could apply that today, because the root of that is ingratitude and a loss of memory of the sacrifices of generations before you.
And boy, does that not accurately describe the education system, our political system.
We're tearing down our statues.
We're rewriting our history.
Then rose a generation who did not know George Washington.
Then rose a generation who did not know Abraham Lincoln.
So that really speaks to me there.
And the story and the struggle of Exodus, obviously, Moses gets called out of a rather comfortable life.
And he actually likes his father-in-law, which for some of you I'm told that's actually, I have a great relationship with my in-laws, but him and Jethro are getting along great.
And then he comes along this bush and it changes his life.
It's like that bush is burning, but it's not consuming, and brings him on an adventure.
And it's actually really interesting because in Numbers and in Deuteronomy, he kind of almost laments this journey in some way.
Like, God, why did you put me with these people?
They won't stop complaining.
And it doesn't, you know, doesn't really, God says, yeah, tough luck, basically.
But Moses is such an, I think, Moses is one of the most interesting characters in the entire Bible, really being a messenger for God's purpose and God's will.
But the struggle is against tyranny.
But let me just fast forward really quick, right?
Because we know what happens.
God delivers them, plagues, parting of the sea, all that good stuff.
But what I find to be so fascinating and so applicable to our time is what happens when the Jewish people get freedom.
And this happens repeatedly.
It happens in Exodus and it happens in Numbers, specifically in Numbers 11, okay?
So they're given this freedom and they saw miracle after miracle and they needed and wanted for nothing.
Quail blunt, blown off course, manna from heaven.
And I quote, they start complaining and say, Who's this Moses guy?
Bring us back to Egypt where we had leeks, melons, and cucumbers.
We want to go back to Egypt because at least we were able to eat meat.
They go as far to say as saying, I wish we would have died in Egypt because they said, we didn't, everything was free.
They say that in Numbers 11.
We didn't have to pay for anything.
They were slaves.
Which I think is, hold on a second.
This is one of the most amazing parts of the Bible.
Here are people that are given deliverance by God.
They saw the most amazing miracles.
They're in a state of freedom and they prefer comfort.
Because in the wilderness is tough.
In the wilderness challenges you.
When you were in Egypt, yeah, you had to work seven days.
There was no Shabbat.
You worked every single day.
And it was tough.
And some people died.
But they almost got into this place where they didn't have to think for themselves.
One of the most amazing people I've ever had on my podcast is Yanmi Park.
I don't know if you're familiar with her.
If not, you should be familiar.
She's a North Korean defector dissident who escaped.
And in my conversation with her, I asked her, I said, Tell me about what it was like coming from a totalitarian country, North Korea, to then a free society of South Korea and then Japan, eventually America.
She said, Charlie, the hardest thing is that I would have to take naps for the first couple of weeks because I had to think.
And I never had to do that for the first 17 years of my life in North Korea.
And she said, that was really exhausting.
And she said, I almost wanted to be back in the place where everything was told, and I did it.
And here's this picture where God delivers his chosen people and they say, I don't want liberty.
This is the whole ballgame right now in America.
Do people actually want to be free?
They want to be free if we teach freedom as a desirable value.
But we must teach that freedom cannot exist without responsibility.
It's impossible.
So we're at this place in America right now where half of America wants to go back to Egypt.
Wow.
And half America wants to remain free.
Where are we divided?
That's the true division.
Is half the country is saying, take us back to slavery.
Because at least we eat meat.
At least we get weed.
At least we get whatever.
Where the other half is like, no, no, no, we want to fulfill.
We want to have the more challenging but deeper life.
So I think it speaks very clearly in the time we're living today.
Wow, wow, wow.
Come on.
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Now, listen, we're going to do something a little bit different in this service here in just a couple minutes.
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I'm giving you a heads up.
We're actually going to do a QA in this service.
And so we won't be screening questions.
You know, there's no such thing as a stupid question.
Just stupid answers.
Anyway, so don't ask one.
But I would say in the QA, just keep it tight, right?
Don't give a speech.
Just ask questions so we get to as many as you can.
Yeah, and he doesn't interpret dreams, okay?
So let's not go there.
Let's not go there.
I get the wackiest questions sometimes.
Yeah.
So speaking of wacky questions.
All right.
So during the whole pandemic deal, right, December, I think, 2020, there's the COVID relief bill, right?
And Congress writes into that relief bill that there's going to be 180 days given, at which point they're going to have to disclose all their information on UFOs.
And most people didn't catch this, but a lot of people did.
And they thought, we're dealing with a global pandemic.
What are these guys doing writing this thing in about disclosure of UFOs?
And then, sure enough, we've got the Tic Tac video that starts getting really, all right.
Skip a beat.
Two weeks ago, we have the Congress UFO hearing.
And this, you guys hear about this?
And this is what was determined.
Government is absolutely in possession of UAPs, okay, or UFOs, and that non-human biologics were found at the crash site.
Like, basically, alien, our government, Pastor Hyland, is in possession of aliens, okay?
And now, here's my question: Is it possible that Ben Shapiro might be a biologic?
I'm just kidding.
No, now here's no, we love, we love Ben Shapiro.
Now, here's the question: dude.
I mean, right, you've all thought maybe, but probably not.
Definitely not.
But here's my question: dude, what's happening?
Like, what is this?
Yeah, I mean, it's this one.
I did a little bit of a segment on this.
I actually haven't been as interested as most people because, as we say, like now, the true conspiracy theorists think they're lying to us about aliens.
It's like, for all the people that have been so invested in aliens, they're like, nope, not buying it.
Nope, nope, nope.
And in some ways, I mean, look, there's, I don't want to get too deep into the theology.
I will point you just as something that I think will be interesting.
Read C.S. Lewis on aliens.
It's really interesting.
C.S. Lewis is the greatest, I think, author of the 20th century.
And he wrote extensively thinking about what would happen if we ever found non-human life.
And he concluded it would not ever, it would not question that Jesus is Lord in any way, shape, or form.
And he points to the Nephilim, which does, there's a lot of interpretation of what the Nephilim is, but he goes at length.
So I'll let C.S. Lewis's work kind of stand for itself here.
I find it super interesting.
But I think it's largely a distraction, to be perfectly honest with you.
When now our own government starts to platform this stuff, I mean, is there aliens?
Are there not aliens?
I mean, the deeper question, I think, really is: I don't trust my government at all right now.
And now I'm supposed to trust them on this stuff.
I don't trust them with the vaccine.
I don't trust them with school closures.
I don't trust them with mask mandates.
I don't trust them with Ukraine.
I don't trust them on the southern border.
I don't trust them with Epstein's Island.
And now all of a sudden they're like, oh, yeah, by the way, you're not alone.
Now I'm back to the idea that there's no aliens because I just have a default position that these people are constantly distracting us, that there's an ulterior agenda and motive.
And so I'll leave it to the pastors and the theologians to build it out.
But this feels like a big smokescreen operation to me.
Yeah, come on, come on.
Hey, SB 5599, the bill that passed through where our state here is going to be providing shelter and accommodations for youth as they go through transgender surgery without asking for or without demanding any sort of parental consent, including gender modification, hyctomies, mastectomies, penile implants, breast implants, facial femininization services.
And so, and I just want to say this really quick: for those of you that are a part of our intercessory groups that have been praying for our state and nation, that went from church to church and even went to some mosque to get Muslims to sign the petition for this.
I just want to say thank you for being politically active and for doing everything possible.
So thank you.
I'm so stinking proud of you.
Even though we didn't get the signatures needed to see that come up, Charlie, there is such a demonic agenda and such an attack against our youth.
And would you be willing to speak into what you're seeing within the nation?
And more importantly, a lot of people in the church are feeling powerless to this thing that is certainly not flesh and blood.
No, I mean, look, Satan wants nothing more than to destroy the bond between a parent and a child.
Look, this trans thing has advanced so rapidly, and it is so evil.
There is no science behind it.
There's no rationality behind it.
There's no basis behind it, period.
And I have a theory as to why this state is one of the worst.
I largely think it's because it's one of the least churched states in the country.
And when there's no such thing as a secular society, you're going to fill it with some sort of a god, the god of scientism, the god of earth worship, the god of tolerance.
And I think that Washington, you know, Seattle, Tacoma area has a mixture of those.
But there is zero reason whatsoever, and these medieval witch doctors should be put in prison for what they're doing to these kids to put a child, a child, a 14-year-old child who is going through puberty, who says, because I saw a TikTok video after a 20-minute consultation with a doctor, and they say, I'm going to put you on Lupron or testosterone or altering drugs.
This is so diabolical.
It is irreversible.
It is evil.
And you ask yourself, where are the parents?
The parents aren't even allowed in the room now.
And so this state is now a sanctuary state bill.
And I have never felt so convicted on an issue, even more so than the abortion issue.
I'm very pro-life, just let's be clear.
But I'm more optimistic we can win on the trans issue and win quickly, even more so than the abortion issue.
The abortion issue, I think, is going to take a long, many decades of work.
I don't think that's the case with this issue.
I think we're starting to wake people up.
I think it is super radicalizing people when they realize how brutal these surgeries are.
I think that under this cloak of, oh, I'm a doctor and I know better, I'm telling you, it's church.
So I do, if you question me, just go home and do your research as to how brutal these surgeries actually are.
What exactly goes on when a young 13-year-old boy says, I want my private parts removed and I want an artificial hole put in my pelvis.
Now, I want you to really go through the research there because it's all built on this massive categorical lie and false promise.
Because they'll tell a 14-year-old who is going through gender dysphoria, that's what you used to call it, okay?
They're struggling with something that is legitimate, and there's a legitimate way to treat it.
And they'll give a false promise of, if you do these nine things, you then can become the other thing.
And that is a lie.
So all of the medical interventions are based on a lie.
Most medical interventions are not actually based on lies.
And I'll prove it to you.
If your appendix bursts and you remove it, it will solve appendicitis.
Right?
If you have a tumor and they remove it, so most medical interventions are cause-effect solution, cause-effect solution.
The trans thing is not.
So this is not medicine.
This is witch doctory.
This is like wizardry, is what this is.
It's like, I'm going to change you.
Like, no, your brain does not change.
We can look at DNA and we can tell female DNA versus male DNA.
We have different brains.
We have different chromosomes.
We have different structures completely.
Same species, different parts.
If you don't believe me, marry a woman and you'll find out that you are not a woman.
Okay?
You're very different.
And there's so many components of this where you go to a normal college, not a normal, but you go to a typical college campus, University of Washington, and you'll have kids sit in line that are sympathetic with the trans thing.
You just ask them a simple question.
What is a woman?
What is a woman?
Matt Walsh deserves hero praise for his work on that topic, by the way.
I mean that.
And they won't be able to answer it.
And they'll say, oh, well, you know, a woman is someone who identifies as a woman.
No, no, but what is that?
You can't answer the question with the definition of it.
It's like saying a man is a man.
No, no, no, but what is that thing?
And what they'll end up saying is that womanhood can be appropriated like a costume.
You can wear womanhood.
That if you dress like it, you become one.
This is such a war on reality.
And I could give a two-hour speech on how it's tyrannical in nature.
And if you disagree with it, they'll destroy your life, how it goes after kids, how it's going after parental rights, how it really destroys our trust of the medical scientific establishment.
But here's the point that I think the church really needs to stand on.
I was sitting around some people who were not religious, and they were genuinely concerned, and they were totally on our side on this trans issue, but they're not religious, okay?
And they were confused.
And they said, Charlie, I've done a lot of thinking.
I've done all the research.
I understand how awful a hysterectomy is, a double hysterectomy.
They understood it.
But they said, why are people doing this?
They said, there's no reasonable thing for this.
We as religious people should not go through those sort of confusion.
Because we know the enemy does things that are not reasonable.
That's right.
The secular world is going to go around in confusion.
In fact, I think some people are quiet on this issue because they refuse to admit or acknowledge something this evil could be happening in real time.
They refuse.
We are not given that license because we know we are fighting a spiritual war against Lucifer, against Satan, who goes after our children, is going after their bodies, going after their futures, and trying to capture their soul.
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Satan wants every single person's life.
And if they can't get you to take your life immediately, then he'll take your being, he'll depress your soul.
This is the agenda here.
And so, I'll be honest, some churches are speaking out, but the fact that most churches are not having marches in the streets, seminars, protests, and rallies, this is modern-day lobotomies, but it's a lot bigger than that.
That's right.
It's more horrific.
It's so widespread.
And most pastors, honestly, are quiet because they're afraid of the alphabet mafia coming after them.
This is the modern human rights campaign of our time.
If you do not stand against this medical mutilation of our children, there's no evidence, there is no science to support it, period.
I believe we're going to be judged by the Almighty God.
I truly believe that.
Wow.
So good, Charlie.
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I'm going to have our team take a microphone and go over into the aisle here.
And if you'd like to ask Charlie a question, you can just, Caleb, are you going to be my team?
Okay, sweet.
Just keep them short.
Let's get to as many as possible.
I think there's one right in front of you.
Awesome.
Awesome.
There's a couple right around you.
And if you want to ask a question, you're going to have to get up and go stand in this aisle and we could do roving.
It's fine.
Whatever works.
I'm going to hold the mic.
Okay.
My name's Chris.
Thanks for coming, Kirk.
The question is: if you had two or three pastors in sitting down with you, and they are pastors who are known to say, We don't want to be involved, we just don't want to get across the line, the barrier.
What would you say to them?
Resign.
But that's not, I'm told that's not overly persuasive.
Look, we know this in the book of Jude.
We know this in 1 Timothy.
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We know this even lesser to an extent in Leviticus.
If you're in the priestly class, if you're in the ministry, you have different rules and different expectations and different standards.
There is a difference between the pastor and the congregation.
And that is all throughout scripture.
That if you are going to be dealing with the holy, you're going to be held to a higher standard.
So if you're going to be in the administration of teaching truth and you will not teach truth about the culture and you will not stand up against evil, you have no place being in the ministry.
You can go do something else.
I'm not saying you're not a Christian, but you're a coward and you shouldn't be leading the flock.
You're not a shepherd.
You're a shepherd that if a wolf or a predator comes, you're like, oh my gosh, I'm woke.
Don't eat my flock.
My sheep are trans pastors are supposed to protect the flock, lead the flock, correct the flock, not pander to the predators.
Next question.
If you could punch any pastor.
Okay, all right.
Next question.
So, yeah, Charlie, my nephew is in the United States Army.
He was a staff sergeant.
Thank you for sharing.
And he took the shot and he died.
And is anybody going to be held accountable for these people?
And are people going to make sure that they're not going to make any more mandates again?
Are there people doing anything about it?
Very little.
Look, I mean, you guys might have mixed opinions on the vaccine.
This region of the world lost their mind on COVID, by the way.
I don't know what got into the water here, but you guys were some of the worst.
I have my own theories on it, but holy moly.
This Seattle Tacoma, from mask mandates to vaccine mandates.
I went to downtown Seattle last night for dinner, and half of the waiters are still wearing masks.
I'm like, what planet is this on?
And you know what it is?
It's people so afraid of death they'll never actually live.
It's what it is.
Is that a culture that is so because they don't believe in an afterlife, this is all they have.
So they become neurotic freaks of their old existence.
Anyway, it's just amazing.
The one waiter was wearing latex gloves and double masks.
I mean, it was really shocking to me.
I've visited the country.
I've not seen anything close to it.
No, no one's going to be held accountable anytime soon.
There needs to be class action lawsuits, though, especially on the mandate side of it.
I know we're on YouTube.
I just encourage you to do your research.
The mRNA shot is not like any other vaccine that you might have taken or given to your child.
It is a different technology, okay?
It is a different technology, and it did not fulfill the promise of safe and effective and preventing the spread.
It did not do either of those things.
We're on YouTube, so I got to be careful.
Just do your research, and I think you'll find some very, very interesting facts on it.
I did not take the vaccine and I'm very glad I did not take the shot.
Hello, I'm Doug Bassler.
I'm a Christian guy.
I'm running for King County Elections Director this year, and I'm just wondering what you think about the state of election integrity.
Was 2020 the most secure election?
Right.
Boy, we're really trying to make you lose your YouTube status, right?
No, it was not the most secure election.
Look, unfortunately, the state of Washington, the state of Oregon, the state of Colorado have been the blueprint of how to destroy our elections in other states.
We should not have mass mail and voting.
You guys have basically standardized mass mail and voting, and it's not secure in the slightest.
The more ballots, the less security, the more that harvesters and full-time community organizers are then able to scoop up those ballots and fill it out on other people's behalf and do all sorts of tricky and awful things.
So it's a wish list at this time, but you have without a vision the people perish.
We should have one day of voting, no more mail-in balloting, and voter ID.
The closer we can get to that, the better.
Next question.
Hi.
My question is, how do you respond to offense and then actually leverage that to bring restoration?
Say that again.
I'll respond to offense.
Offense, yeah.
So people getting offended.
People getting offended, yeah.
So, look, I don't seek to offend people.
It just so happens things I say offend people a lot.
So, look, if the truth is offensive, then maybe the person's living in lies and they need to hear it.
The most loving thing you can do is tell somebody the truth and everyone else is lying to them.
And I'll prove it to you, right?
I mean, I don't like dentists at all.
I think it's like a form of torture.
And no offense, if you're a dentist, I just don't like the dentist.
But I had this throbbing pain in the back of my jaw a couple years ago, and I didn't want to go to the dentist, didn't want to go to the dentist.
Eventually, I went to the dentist out of absolute pain, and the dentist says, Okay, your wisdom tooth is infected.
If you don't get surgery in the next week, it could go to your brain and you could die.
I didn't want to hear that, but it offended me, maybe angry.
But it was so loving because it was truthful.
How many times are we afraid to tell the truth when somebody has something that's hurting them, but we're afraid to tell them the truth when actually might be the most loving thing?
So, don't be afraid to offend people.
The truth will stand on its own, right?
Jesus is the truth.
We must proclaim it.
Thank you.
What's your take on the Torben Sondergaard case?
And should we be organizing militias?
Okay, can you say the case again?
I'm sorry.
Torben Sondergaard?
I'm not familiar with it.
Oh, the minister who was jailed for over a year for preaching the gospel.
He tried to seek asylum in Florida.
Oh, wow.
The Canadian.
No, he's from Denmark.
Okay.
Oh, really?
Wow.
Okay, well, no pastor should be locked up for trying to preach the gospel.
I'd have to check out the case.
I'm sorry I don't know about it.
Should we be forming militias?
That's a loaded question, right?
I mean, I believe firmly the bad guys are trying to provoke us into a civil war.
So don't take that bait.
At the same time, as long as you are lawfully and peacefully assembling with your neighbors to prepare for potential tyranny or for widespread chaos, I think you're within your constitutional rights.
But just understand that the bad guys will try to infiltrate militia groups.
They'll have feds come into chat rooms to try to instigate and provoke violent activity from the American right to try to provoke a Patriot Act 2.0 type response, right?
But honestly, you know, I don't love the term militias just because it gets misinterpreted by the media, but that's actually a constitutional term, right?
But after the Floyd riots of 2020, if people arm up and they start to have some sort of agreement with neighbors, like, hey, if there's widespread looting and arson, and we're going to stand with each other, I think that's actually really healthy.
And it shows that we are going to have some sort of social contract against society falling apart.
The media will misinterpret what I'm saying as, oh, Charlie wants some sort of factions to be developed in the country.
That's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying, though, is that, my goodness, we are living through the highest crime wave, and we're just supposed to sit and take it.
Like, no, America, you need to have systems and backup plans of self-sovereignty.
God forbid, our entire society falls apart and or our government becomes even more tyrannical and authoritarian.
I'll close with this.
The Second Amendment is not about deer hunting.
It's not about personal protection against robbers.
That's helpful.
It's against, God forbid, the government becomes tyrannical.
That's why we have the Second Amendment.
Hi, Charlie.
Thank you for everything you're doing.
I work for Lovelife.org, and we mobilize the church to come alongside and end abortion and come alongside the families unplanned pregnancy.
We go on to the corners, the streets where these clinics are having these abortions, and we're finding more and more that kids are coming in with and without parents, getting the transgender sex changes that are happening.
And it's horrific, and it's really hard to watch.
I was wondering if you can tell me if there are any ministries, we pray for them specifically as they're going in and talk to them and minister to them.
But I was wondering if there's any ministries that you know of that we can lock arms with and help with this and also how we can make a difference in our cities currently because there's so much of this happening in our schools.
Yeah, that's a really beautiful question.
It's a great question.
I don't know of any ministries that are currently equipped or focused on trying to educate on the trans thing.
It's just we're behind the curve, so we have to figure that out.
Understand, though, that they're trying to criminalize even questioning kids getting this.
This state is one of the worst at this, by the way.
And where they have literally criminalized pediatricians from giving an alternate point of view, you have to basically read off a script that if a kid who's 11 years old thinks I'm something that I'm not, the pediatrician is basically handcuffed based on American Medical Association, American Association of Pediatric Guidelines, to do nothing but administer drugs that will change their life forever.
So you might say, well, Charlie, how would you solve it?
Great book by Dr. Miriam Grossman called Lost in Trans Nation.
You have to read it.
She's not Republican.
She's not a right-winger, but she is so against this trans thing.
For years, just so you know, on the planet in the 1960s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, there were two, that's right, two gender-affirming clinics in the entire Western world.
Two.
And now there are hundreds across America, and I think there's probably dozens just in the Seattle-Tacoma area, right?
It's unbelievably profitable.
That's exactly right.
The pharmaceutical companies look at this as a billion-dollar gold mine to take your kids, castrate them, and get them addicted to pharmaceuticals for the rest of their life.
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But even more than that, what is the solution?
I said this earlier, but I want to gloss this over.
The pharmaceutical companies and the pediatricians are taught and convinced that puberty is the problem, and we must stop puberty because it's only further playing into the anxiety.
I guarantee you, if I picked 10 random women in this audience, half of you would have memories of where you did not feel your best when you were 12, 13, or 14 and your body started to change.
Is that a fact?
But puberty actually ended up being the solution, not the problem, right?
You grow, what is the expression?
You grow into your body, right?
As you mature, you start to realize and start to get more anchored and more rooted.
So instead, what we do is we give drugs to stop puberty.
So we make the problem permanent.
Puberty is actually the solution.
It's God's gift to get you through that point, that transition point, and then you're an adult.
You're like, oh, wow, okay, now I get it.
Now I've maybe felt a little uncomfortable for, and all those hormones were raging.
And now we give them synthetic testosterone.
And so we're really behind on the interventions of the organizations that should try to stop this.
But the standard operating procedure, which worked in the 90s and early 2000s, this is literally what the American Association of Pediatricians used to say.
It's called watchful waiting.
You would literally take a kid who says, I'm a boy, I'm a girl.
And you would just say, okay, we're going to just watch you for the next couple months.
Like, watch you, meaning like we're going to have like weekly visits before we do any drugs or anything.
And 99% of the time, it just fades away.
It just fades away.
Of just kind of counseling and care, like, oh, are there other underlying issues?
And almost every single time, you know what the journals show?
I was bullied and I was called mean names at school and or I do not have a father figure around to correct me in error to make me feel loved in that way and they're seeking validation and seeking masculine affirmation through the medical industry.
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Mad at dad is the number one driver of this trans nonsense.
As America has become more feminine, as American males have abandoned and abdicated their role in the home, we have this generation of girls mad at dad or there is no dad and they go find dad at a pediatrician's office and they think they're going to get that affirmation by cutting off their breasts and getting on Lupron and eventually antidepressants.
It's diabolical, everybody.
Thanks so much.
First, I would like to say thank you for being here.
I've been following you on Facebook.
And my question is actually in three parts.
One, in your viewpoint, what you should say to us to understand that first, church and government are not separate.
Two, what we should do, should be doing as a church to stop these.
And three, what we should do in the individual level.
Yeah, it's a great question.
So first, in the Constitution, it does not say separation of church and state.
That is a single letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Convention where he was actually assuring the Baptist Convention that the government would not come after the church.
It is a misapplied reading that the secular courts of the 60s and 70s, the Briar Court, and others, not the Briar Court, I'll think of it in a second, but the Warren Court misapplied it, and all of a sudden they resurrected it.
Now you might say, well, Charlie, the First Amendment says Congress shall make no law.
Right, that's called the Establishment Clause and the Free Expression Clause.
The Establishment Clause is explained at great length in the Federalist Papers.
The Federalist Papers are basically the commentary.
It's like the midroche of the Constitution, where they're like, this is that Congress shall not have a Presbyterian church, an Anglican church, a Pentecostal church.
But never did they ever anticipate that the church or faithful people would not be involved in government.
Never would they ever anticipate that.
As one of the first acts of Congress, you might not know this, the government, Congress underwrote the printing and distribution of Bibles as one of the first ever acts of Congress.
Church ceremonies were conducted all the time in the Supreme Court building.
To this day, you can walk into the hall of Congress where they do all the voting, and Moses and the Ten Commandments are right there in the back end.
So they're going to try to take that down too.
I could just wait for their attacks on Moses.
Moses killed a man, so we have to take it down.
I just can't wait for their attacks on Moses.
Just wait.
So that's number one.
Number two, what should the church do?
Well, this church is doing the right thing.
You have to petition your government.
You have to get engaged.
You have to get involved.
You have to question your leaders.
And honestly, some of you need to run for office.
We need more members of churches to run for political office.
And look, I know you guys feel outnumbered in the state of Washington, but there's a lot of fight left in this state that I do not think has been totally realized.
There are phenomenal people in this state.
And I'm not saying you're going to win it back immediately, all that, but you have to contest.
You have to be obedient to the Lord to fight evil.
And you're going to win a little and lose a little, and win a little and lose a little.
But it's going to be a non-stop struggle.
And finally, what we can do personally is I think you have to adopt a whole of life strategy that you're going to be in this for the rest of your life.
And this is not comforting for people.
Some of you wanted to come to here today and thought that I was going to give you hopium.
Hope and opium mixed together.
It feels good, but it's not very good for you.
And I was just going to kind of tell you good stuff, and you're going to come home and be like, well, I don't have to do anything.
That's why I refuse to answer the question when someone says, Charlie, are you optimistic or pessimistic?
Now, ultimately, I'm optimistic.
Jesus will come back.
I don't know when.
The day or the hour is unknown, and he will sit on his throne and he will be the supreme judge of the world.
However, until then, am I optimistic or pessimistic about America?
If I said I was optimistic and I said we're going to win, you would go home and you would tell your wife or your husband, I don't have to do anything because Charlie's optimistic because we're going to win.
If I said I was pessimistic, you would go home and be like, forget it.
I'm not doing anything because we're going to lose.
Because Charlie said, in fact, this is the honest truth.
I've no idea how this thing's going to end up.
We could lose the whole country or we could win it back.
It's never been more 50-50 in my lifetime.
I see so much good and I see so much evil.
I see so much fight and I see so much weakness.
I see a constant contradiction of forces.
I see parents rising up and taking about school boards.
I see parents sending their kids to drag queens.
It's like all over the place.
That is a non-stop reminder that maybe we can actually win this place back if we dedicate ourselves to it.
It's not going to be easy.
It will not happen overnight.
But I don't think our victory is guaranteed or our loss is guaranteed.
It's wholly dependent on our obedience.
Thanks so much.
And then we'll take one more question.
One more.
Hi, Charlie.
Thank you for being here.
Thank you for being so articulate.
Love your podcast.
I am just curious, it seems to be two different camps: a prophetic world of pastors and leaders that are saying America shall be saved.
And I believe that too.
And yet, I listened to recently Jack Hibbs and Amir Sephardi, and I know you've been on the Happening Now.
Love him.
There's many very wise pastors, leaders, prophets.
I believe God speaks to the prophets first.
And so my husband and I lead a home group.
We're all having these discussions.
We listen to the Flashpoint army.
We're part of that.
You know, we're part of all these different conversations and the prophetic movement.
And yet, I heard Jack Hibbs say, which is true, Bible prophecy must be fulfilled.
These things must happen first.
There's perilous times ahead.
I love that you speak the truth.
You say it like it is.
So thank you for that.
I'm also a Pollyanna.
So I want to believe America will be saved.
It's not going to change my stance in my prayer, but I'm just curious.
I'd love the pastors to talk about these two different camps.
Yes, so it's interesting.
At TPSA Faith, we bring all the tribes together.
So we have people that are pre-trib, post-trib, swinging from the chandelier Pentecostals, right?
We had it all over the place.
And yeah, exactly.
And I'm really not part of any of those denominational tribes, honestly, right?
I'm really close with the Calvary world and Jack Hibbs.
I'm also really close with a lot of the Assembly of God guys.
I believe in the Nicene Creed.
I believe Jesus is the king of the world.
And I let people that are theologians or pastors debate it on my behalf.
Have at it.
My job and my message is: so what?
What are you going to do?
Jesus will return.
I'm on the welcoming committee, not the planning committee.
So what do you want to be caught doing when Jesus returns?
Do you want to be caught running to the hills being like, what took you so long?
No, I'm going to keep working.
I'm going to act like he's a thousand years away.
I'm going to look at the signs of the times, and I find that interesting.
Again, they're way more equipped theologically and biblically than I am.
And there's a lot of debate amongst that.
Here's what bothers me: two things.
The assurance of the prophecy that America will definitely be saved creates apathy.
The assurance that Jesus is coming next Thursday creates apathy.
My whole theology is about action.
I believe faith without works is dead.
That is my daily message to you.
You got to work, you got to work.
And my why is because I love the Lord.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, strength, and mind.
I do what I do out of obedience, not because I think we're going to win or think we're going to lose.
And so all that is interesting and can nourish you, but then you have to kind of take a step back and say, so what are we going to do?
And what we're going to do is we're going to occupy till he comes.
We love God, so we hate evil.
Psalm 97:10.
And we are going to fight, and we're going to fight, and we're going to fight.
And if God rewards us with taking back terrain and gives life to America, praise God.
If America's best days are behind us, then honestly, we deserve that judgment because we've done a poor job of administering this place.
But I'm not going to be a spectator.
I'm going to give it my all.
And that's my call to action to you: to be an activist and a participant for righteousness, for goodness, for truth, and for beauty.
Not to just sit idly by and say, yep, it's all over.
Jesus, set me up.
Hurry up.
I don't think that's biblical.
That is not why Christ gave us the great commission.
Be salt and light.
Salt and light change the environments they come in contact with.
And we're called to change some pretty dark times.
We're very blessed to live in such a time as this.
Real quick, for people that want to go deeper on this journey to Turning Point, Charlie, how do we go deeper with you?
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As Dennis Prager would say, his favorite word in the English language is earn.
I would love to earn the right to be a go-to news source for you.
Here's my one thing on news.
Please stop watching white noise cable television of empty calories.
Watch or listen.
In fact, I prefer you listen.
There's actually a lot of biblical in Deuteronomy says, hero Israel, right?
I think the ear is actually a better way to learn than the eye.
So you should listen to more news than watch news on TV.
That's a separate issue.
But find people that challenge you intellectually.
Find people that do segments more than six minutes.
Find, and if it's my show, great.
If it's Matt Walsh, great.
If it's Shapiro, great.
Whatever it is, just stop eating empty calories of cable news of the same repurposed Trump versus Biden.
There's a lot deeper game going on, folks.
And we deliver that to you every single day.
So we'd love a chance to earn a place at the table for your go-to news source.
Let's give Charlie a big thank you.
Come on.
Charlie, this is awesome.
Appreciate you, man.
Thanks so much, bro.
Pastor Brad, wrap this thing up for me, all right?