Gas Prices in California are more than $4.20 a gallon. In Oklahoma, it's less than half that. Sen. Markwayne Mullin explains the difference between his state and Gavin Newsom's, talks about Iran, and takes a shot at Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch. Plus, EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin responds to a New York Times hitpiece and explains how the Trump deregulation agenda is trickling down to enrich Americans. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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All right, without further ado, we have Senator Mark Wayne Mullen.
He's a great, great senator out of the state of Oklahoma.
And I just want to give you guys in the red state of Oklahoma a little kudos here, Senator.
You guys have the lowest gas prices in the country, apparently.
A buck 83 a gallon in some counties in the great state of Oklahoma.
That's like number 10.
$1.99 price.
That's like, yeah, what is this?
We said we wanted the 90s back, and at least in Oklahoma, we have it.
This is great.
Well, in the 90s, it was like 78 cents a gallon.
But no, it was really.
I was filling up my work trucks.
However, at least in 97, 98.
But still, yet, to be under $2 a gallon is pretty amazing.
This is the difference, right?
So Oklahoma has the lowest gas prices in the country because we embrace our fossil fuels and drill, baby, drill.
And California has the highest gas prices in the country.
And they're shutting down rigs and drilling activity on a daily and shutting down pipelines on the daily.
Go figure how those two would run hand in hand, right?
Yeah.
So you have multiple counties in Oklahoma at $1.83.
Average gas price in California right now is $4.21.
Honestly, that's lower than I'd have expected.
You could have told me it was over $5.86.
Diesel is $4.80.
$486.
I mean, I just think it's amazing.
And then you've got California.
This is not what we're planning on talking about here, Senator, but you've got California has lost.
There was a New York Post article that I was reading this morning.
California has lost a trillion dollars of wealth.
So Sergey Brin and all these other billionaires are fleeing the state.
Peter Thiel, multiple others, opening up satellite offices in Texas and Tennessee and Florida because they're going to tax or they're proposing to tax the wealth.
So and that could be unrealized gains as well on billionaires.
So if you are on paper a billionaire, they're going to tax 5% of your wealth.
Just take it to fund their medical.
They're going to show up the medical books where they're giving free health care to illegals in that state.
Or give it to the homeless because that's worked out so well.
Right.
Let's not forget.
Don't forget they ran off the wealthiest man in the country or in the world, Elon Musk.
That's now in California too.
And so you just, you can't make up crazy.
New York is going to be the same way.
I mean, it's just a matter of time before the New York Stock Exchange moves to Dallas, Texas.
And you start looking at cost of building, right?
The cost of building in California is somewhere between $400 and $450 per square foot.
It's half that.
And in Oklahoma, so you can build a house and actually make it affordable.
I mean, they talk about affordable housing in California, but they regulate themselves out of existence.
And yet in Oklahoma, that's just called daily life because we have good governance because we have a red state instead of a blue state.
Yeah, I think that's a really fascinating dynamic of modern American culture is this divergence between red states and blue states.
It's getting further and further away.
And we're seeing it in the migration patterns.
If you look at, we saw this with Minnesota.
People are leaving Minnesota for the first time in ages.
They're all moving to Texas, Florida, Oklahoma.
The South generally gets a lot of people.
And yeah, they just can't get out of California or New York fast enough.
I'm glad you mentioned Elon Musk.
Have you seen this?
All the other billionaires were bailing just before the new year because they have that initiated measure that might be on the ballot to do a retroactive wealth tax, a one-time billion in California.
That's what we're talking about.
Yeah, exactly.
I didn't realize it was retroactive.
Yeah, that's why they're all bailing.
It's not just Musk.
It's like all the Google guys and probably a bunch we've not even heard about.
I'm out of all bailing.
I left.
I now live in the middle.
Hey, I have a guy, a friend of mine, and I won't mention his name, but he's just a southern Louisiana back roads swamp boy that has done very, very well at business investments.
And he doesn't do tech companies.
He does like construction industry companies.
He's done very, very well for himself.
And he left California and he moved back to Louisiana and he moved out.
Actually, he left in, I think, April or May of last year because of what was happening.
And he loves, he's married a girl from California, but he's like, you know, you can't afford to live there anymore.
No, it's there.
And it's up and down.
Yeah, it's like registering your car in California is like a thousand bucks if you have an SUV.
I mean, it's up and down.
The price of school, there's no school choice.
You know, we moved to Phoenix, you know, after Charlie died, and it's like there's school tax, you know, choice, right?
So you get a voucher if you send your kid to a private Christian school.
It's amazing.
It's like right off the bat, you're saving yourself $7,500 to school.
So totally off subject here, but just California, how they're aggressively going after everybody.
My son back in 2020 had a brain injury, real bad to brain injury.
We had to go through rehab and we had the only rehab center that was specialized in his cognitive rehabilitation was in Bakersfield, California.
So I literally lived in an RV with my son on and off for 18 months.
And I was talking about it at a, you know, either on, either on a show like this or TV or something.
But anyways, California found out about it and they tried to charge me taxes.
And I had to prove to them that I wasn't there consistently the whole time that I was leaving most weekends and going back home and that we were there for medical reasons, had to get literally doctor notes to keep me from having to pay income tax in California.
Jeez, are you kidding me?
I'm not joking.
That's amazing.
That's a really amazing story.
So we're again, we did not plan on talking about any of this with the senator here because there's actual, we got a shutdown fighting in Iran.
But this is I thought of this.
This is Tamika Mallory.
I'm not afraid for business, by the way.
So I can be listening.
I'm telling you, red states are booming.
The cost of energy across the board in red states is like half, if not less than that of blue states.
But it's more than this.
Look at what Mamdani is doing in New York, Senator.
This is Tamika Mallory.
I thought of this as we were talking.
I had the team grab it.
This is the new crime advisor that Mamdani has appointed.
PlayCut 280.
I don't give a damn if they burn down Target because Target should be on the streets with us calling for the justice that our people deserve.
Don't talk to us about looting.
Y'all are the looters.
America has looted black people.
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Wow.
That's Donnie's new crime advisor.
You know, I'm not sure.
You should nominate her for chief of police.
Why not?
Make her chief of police.
Yeah, chief of police.
There you go.
You know, I'm Cherokee.
I know I don't look it, but I actually am Cherokee.
And I sometimes get, people give me crap by it.
And I said, man, I can't, I can't, I can't, you know, control who my ancestors loved, but I am Cherokee.
That's why we ended up in Oklahoma.
And my, you know, I still carried, I'm actually a card-carrying Cherokee, not like because I have high cheekbones, Elizabeth Warren, Pocahontas.
And so, but when she said Native Americans, I tell you what, first of all, very seldom all of us call us Native Americans.
We're Indians.
But it's frustrating because there is no ethnic group that serves in the military at greater numbers than Native Americans.
And we're not out there rioting and causing that stuff like she said.
So don't pull us into that picture.
We respect the rule of law and we respect law enforcement.
We love America.
Regardless of what happened to us, we're not out there trying to have, you know, all trying to separate ourselves from someone else.
Now, we are proud and proud to be Indian and we're proud of our tribes, but we fly the flag beside, you know, beside maybe our Cherokee flag along the way.
But, you know, we're not out there carrying somebody else's flag or Somalian flags or Mexican flags.
No, you're totally right.
I mean, Navajo Nation in Arizona, they vote Republican.
Yeah.
So there you go.
They do.
Yeah, they do.
I had a whole conversation overnight.
We actually do ballot chasing in Navajo Nation.
We have a whole like Cherokee team or a Navajo team.
Yeah, I mean, we have 36 tribes in the state of Oklahoma, and I had 19 in the second district.
And we're a red state, completely red state.
All 77 counties in Oklahoma vote red.
And the only state that may have a higher concentration of Native Americans is New Mexico.
But I'm not sure by that.
That number is still.
Yeah, I think Oklahoma is the most, you know, screwed up Supreme Court, that Supreme Court ruling.
You know, that was, that was, that was a real bad one from, was that Gorsuch?
Yeah, Gorsuch had that weird thing.
Yeah.
Gorsuch, by the way, Gorsuch is the prime example of why Supreme Courts need term limits.
I mean, and I listen, I come from a wrestling world.
I come from a fighting world, and I come from politics.
I know arrogance, but he's the most arrogant man I've ever met in my life.
I mean that sincerely.
I literally stood up and walked out of his office, and that says a lot because I may be the second most arrogant, but he's the most arrogant.
Well, we want him on our side with today's story.
Yeah, we need him on the tariff ruling.
He has power over us.
We love Gorsuch.
I don't.
I absolutely do not.
And I don't want to replace him with some lib, but I do not.
I have zero respect.
That guy has flat out lied to me.
He told me something that he never fulfilled.
And he told me, shook my hand on.
I mean, we literally shook hands, and he didn't fulfill what he said he was going to do.
And now he won't even return my phone calls.
And so I have zero, zero, zero respect for him.
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So we are getting live updates from SCOTUS.
Yes.
And the senator warned us about him.
And now Justice Gorsuch.
Sympathetic on the trans issue.
Did you hear that?
Making them a protected class.
So well, you warned us.
He did warn us.
He did warn us.
Well, it's actually really tough to make a senator speechless.
I'm speechless.
Yeah, I don't.
Listen, men are men, and boys are boys.
And the Supreme Court is going to overthink this, aren't they?
They're going to overthink this.
Whatever they rule, they cannot overturn reality.
A pastor of mine, a friend of mine, used to say, educated beyond their intelligence.
Go ahead, Senator.
I'm just telling you, Gorsuch, when you meet with him, he's the smartest man in the room.
And he may be.
I mean, obviously, he's brilliant, but there's some very brilliant people out there that doesn't want to show how brilliant they are, but they can actually express it through humility.
And that guy doesn't have the ability to do that.
And for you to look at this case with transgender athletes in any other way, especially as a father of three, you know, three daughters who wrestle, that means they're in a combative sport.
I'm sorry.
That is a lifestyle choice when you decide you're going to transition.
Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
We're obviously 100% in agreement with you there, Senator.
I do want to get, we have Iran coming up.
There was a bunch of back and forth last night.
The Wall Street Journal posted something saying JD Vance is going for diplomacy, but Trump wants to strike.
You are, people need to understand this about you in this.
I mean, this role.
I'm going to say it.
You don't have to say it, sir, but I hear it from everybody that you are playing this massive go-between role between the House and the Senate, and then even both legislative bodies in the White House.
Can you shed any light on this Iranian potential strike versus diplomacy?
By the way, the vice president's office wrote back and corrected the piece in the Wall Street Journal saying that Marco and JD are presenting a suite of options from military action to diplomacy.
So they did correct the record there, but it was a lie from the go.
What are you hearing, sir?
Well, first of all, there are several people that play a good role between the White House and the Senate.
I mean, the president has many friends, and I'm just lucky enough to be called one of them.
So first of all, what Secretary Hekseth has said multiple times, mess around and find out.
I'm cleaning that up because my wife would be mad at me if I said the other thing.
And so would our distributors of this program.
Yes, continue.
So see, I'm being very nice.
And the president has made it very clear that he will be willing to protect the people of Iran if the murderous regime there in Iran decide they're going to kill people en masse.
And what that mass number is, I don't know what the president's tolerance is.
But I will tell you, the president doesn't bluff.
And he's proven that he is not afraid of Iran.
He's not afraid of going in.
We've proven we have the capability to destroy their air defense system and to strike anytime and anywhere.
And he made it very clear that he could have taken out the leadership if he wanted to, but he decided not to.
And so I wouldn't be surprised if you see some military action in defense of the Iranian people.
And I like to say this, in 1977 when I was born, Iran was a friend of us.
In fact, they were probably more Western advanced in the United States than it was to accepting women and in workplaces and into government and actually into ethnic groups too.
This current regime has destroyed all that.
And we'd love to have a relationship back with the Iranian people.
I think we have a lot in common.
There was a lot of business relationships that was between Iran and the United States prior to 1979, the overthrow of Shah.
And so I believe the president is actively looking at his position and what is the best way to support the people wanting to take back their country in Iran.
Yeah, I mean, and listen, I just, you know, we obviously support the people of Iran.
We want independence.
We want them to thrive.
We want them to throw off these brutal dictators.
We want them to do it.
Canada on this show, and I can tell you our audience feels the same.
I mean, you know, military action in another foreign, faraway Middle Eastern land.
It's not like Venezuela, Western Hemisphere, Monroe, Donroad Doctrine.
I think there's a broad base of support for Venezuela.
I think less so for Iran.
So I hope that we, you know, by the way, I'm all for cutting off the oil flow, you know, the revenues of the CCP to Iran.
I think that's absolutely what we should do.
Moral support.
Maybe there's some stuff that, you know, off the books maneuvering behind the scenes that needs to happen with our special ops guys or whatever.
I'm open to, I just, you know, I want to be cautious because regime change is messy.
It's always messy.
And it's proven in the Middle East more so than ever.
But I will say there does seem to be a legitimate organic popular uprising.
There is this, the son of the former Shah that seems like we had a guest on yesterday, Senator, that has a lot of support from the protesters movement.
I have no idea if he has a majority of support within the country, but it does seem to indicate there are some elements that are aligning for a real massive change in Iran.
Well, a regime change, this is much different than the regime change you saw underneath Secretary Clinton, who had the Arab Spring, which left the Middle East in complete disarray, versus what's happening in Iran.
This is an organic group that has risen up.
And when anytime you have these organic groups or someone, be it the Shah's son or not, there's a difference of opinions if he's popular or not popular.
I'd say he's not actually that popular.
But anytime you see a movement like this, leadership intends to move to the front.
And this is the people, not the United States, trying to have regime change.
This is the people that's having the regime change.
We're there to support the people in the event that they start being slaughtered by their own regime.
Now, to pivot back to Vice President JD Vance, I will tell you, there is no daylight.
There's open discussions, but no daylight when a decision is made between the president and JD Vance.
They have a great relationship.
Marco and our Secretary Rubio and the Vice President have a great relationship, but they also have such a good relationship that they can have an open discussion.
But when the decision is made, when the play call is made, they are together.
And that's the whole present team.
What the president allows people to do is express his opinion.
I visit with the president most time when he's asking me a question.
What do you think about this?
And he's truly inquisitive.
But when he decides to make a decision after he hears everybody out, he decides and he moves.
And that's what's so good about this administration is that when they move, they move together.
And JD has been very open about his position sometime on the use of military force.
But he is probably one of the smartest guys you'll sit down and talk to when he's truly wanting to get to the facts.
He's not a guy that makes decisions off emotions.
JD makes decisions off of facts, and he can change his opinion because of that.
And that's why I have so much respect for the guy.
I totally agree.
I mean, they're going to try and drum up a lot of drama because 2028's looming.
That's all it is.
Okay.
Yeah, of course.
Senator, thank you for your time.
We'll talk about the funding shutdown soon.
Okay.
Talk to you later.
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That is Lee Zeldon, who's running the EPA, doing an amazing job.
One of the picks from Trump that I only ever hear positive things about.
Lee Zeldon, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
It's good to have you.
It's great to be with you guys.
Yeah, absolutely.
You are crushing it over there at the EPA.
And, you know, we used to think of the EPA as like this employment killer.
You know, it's just like this barrier to getting good things done, being productive as an entrepreneur in the country.
You are changing that.
And I'm thinking, everything's great.
Everything's great.
And then I, you know, trolling around Twitter yesterday and I see that the New York Times is claiming, Lee, that you have stopped considering lives saved when setting pollution limits and instead calculate only on the cost to businesses.
And I love that on Twitter, it's now getting slapped with a community note because it's complete hogwash, but it's gone viral.
Their tweet has 5.1 million views because they are lying to people, correct?
This is the news.
Yeah, they like to write a headline like this to freak people out, to twist what would actually be accurate because they're trying to advance the narrative.
And it's amazing how synced up they are with others in the left-wing media, congressional Democrats.
All of a sudden, at once, they're all advancing a narrative that is 100% untrue.
Of course, we are going to be considering to factor in the impact on lives when doing our job.
Our core mission of EPA is protecting human health and the environment.
But what we aren't going to do is just play along with whatever the left-wing strategy is of the day to try to advance Trump derangement syndrome at its highest level.
For us, we've rejected the notion that in order to protect the environment, you have to destroy the economy.
We inherited a mess on all sorts of different regulations that amounted to the trillions.
We just saw some footage there of President Trump at a Ford factory in so many different ways.
The Obama and Biden administrations with tailpipe emissions and electric vehicle mandates, working with blue states like California, have reduced consumer choice, have increased vehicle costs.
And we inherited this mess and decided with this Trump mandate, President Trump winning all the battleground states, winning the popular vote, we're going to fix all of it at once.
And whether it's sending to Congress the three Biden EPA waivers to California that gave them permission to do their electric vehicle mandate, which Congress then passed the resolutions to reject and President Trump signed.
It's the change to cafe standards that you saw Secretary Duffy announce with President Trump at the Oval Office a few weeks.
It's the proposed repeal of the 2009 endangerment finding and all of the greenhouse gas emissions and light, medium, and heavy-duty vehicles that followed and that start-stop, that annoying, almost universally hated start-stop feature on these cars that were getting rid of the off-cycle credits all in one proposal, which if finalized would be the largest act of deregulation in the history of the United States of America.
We are going to push back on the left with their false narratives, their untruth, the mess of regulation that we inherited, and our goals to fix everything and to do it truthfully, promoting gold standard science and fulfilling that Trump mandate that the American public voted for.
Yeah, well, that's exciting.
It just strikes me, the EPA, the right has always had to play in this unfair playing field where if you, the Biden administration or the Obama administration does something nut-so to pursue a political agenda, and then if you repeal it, you have this panic attack where it's, ah, they're rolling back the environmental.
Well, that's exactly, I mean, exactly.
That's God forbid we live in the 90s again.
Yeah, that's the headline.
That's the implication.
That's what they want to do.
This is provda.
This is fake, that they want to imply that you don't care about people's lives.
The Trump administration does not care about people's lives when the exact opposite is true.
And we're actually creating an opportunity for growth again in this country and getting rid of nonsense regulations.
Now, this is what's funny about having you on today.
We had Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, and he was talking about gas prices at $1.83 in some counties in Oklahoma.
You clap back at the Governor Gavin Newsom's press office.
I loved this one, by the way.
This is image 303.
So Governor Gavin Newsom's press office is bragging about the fact that in California, gas prices hit lowest levels in years.
Here's what drivers will pay.
So he's taking credit for what you and the president are doing.
Meanwhile, what is it around?
I think average price around $4,420.
I just Googled it this morning in California, and you got a $1.83 in Oklahoma.
Why are you calling, let's just say, garbage on this note from Governor Gavin Newsom?
Yeah, because California could have lower gas prices if the left-wing Democrats who are destroying, pummeling that state into the ground would be advancing great energy policies like you're seeing in states where energy costs so much less, where it costs less to heat your home, to fill up your gas tank, where people are able to make their dollars stretch further because there are people in government at the state level who are advancing smart energy policies.
But in California, Governor Newsom and the Democrats running the legislature have been beholden to the far left.
Many of them are part of the far left, pandering the far left, and pushing these energy and environmental policies that are driving so many Californians to leave their state permanently for good.
President Trump has been able to, through his policies, reduce gas prices to under $3 in 43 states across the country.
California is not one of them.
And that is because of these people at the state level, in the capital of California, pushing these bad energy and environment policies.
So yeah, I think that if those Democrats in California wanted to truly be part of the progress, maybe they would get the heck out of the way going forward rather than doing what they have been doing, creating a mess that's been increasing gas prices.
And it's the reason why that list isn't 44 instead of 43 is because of these people who are bragging now and trying to take credit for the progress that President Trump has been delivering since the moment he came back into office.
It's so like brazen.
That's what I can't get over.
So they have their average gas prices in California are $1.40 above the national average.
It's at $4.21.
It's $1.40 above the national average.
And you have Gavin Newsom taking a bow saying, look at what I've done in the state of California.
Everybody with a brain knows this is because President Trump's policies, what you guys are doing at the EPA, it's just, I mean, you almost have to tip your hat at the brazenness of the lie.
Like the fact that he's willing to do this on Twitter when he knows the administrator of the EPA is going to come out and knock him for it.
Another question we have, Lee, here is that we're kind of looking at utility prices as well.
Are we seeing those drop commensurate with the price of energy in other ways, like gas prices?
Well, there's such a huge difference in red states and blue states.
And we saw, for example, President Trump's been pushing this pipeline called Constitution Pipeline to deliver natural gas from Pennsylvania into New England.
The New Englanders need natural gas.
It would reduce our reliance on foreign sources of energy.
It would make energy prices more affordable.
And it's being blocked by the left wing.
And you look at, you compare policies in red states where it costs so much less to heat your home than when you look at these Democrat-run states.
It's not a coincidence.
You know, it's not like there's nothing else to it.
No, it actually tells a pretty big story when you compare the price differential between the two states.
Now, all across the entire country, the numbers were going up big time when President Biden was in office.
The policies of his administration, all sorts of new regulations and favoring intermittent sources over baseload power, President Trump understands the need to ramp up baseload power in his country.
He understands the need to unleash energy dominance.
He wants to see more pipelines being built.
Thankfully, they now are.
He wants to see more power plants being built.
President Trump has saved clean, beautiful coal.
President Trump has been getting new nuclear sites online.
I've been at groundbreakings all across this country.
Idaho Falls, Idaho, new nuclear facility.
I was there for the groundbreaking.
I was in West Memphis, Arkansas, where a $4 billion data center was being built.
And it was built with a partnership with Arkansas that provides a net benefit to ratepayers.
It's the red state policies.
Yeah, this is my question for you, Mr. Administrator.
So you've got all these new data centers going up, right?
We know that we need it to fuel the AI revolution.
We know that President Trump and the administration, you guys at the EPA have made this a core tenant.
We want to be the AI center, crypto center, but that takes a ton of energy.
Are we worried that these new demands from these data centers, obviously Arkansas is a good example of it not being a concern, but because they're building capacity.
But are we worried that these data centers are going to drive up prices for consumers at home?
It's all about how you do it, Andrew.
And when you reference that West Memphis, Arkansas example, you have a partnership with the state of Arkansas and Entergy, where the ratepayers end up receiving a net benefit, not a net cost, a net benefit because of that project.
By the way, over a billion dollars.
So you get the jobs for the construction.
You get the jobs long term because we're talking about a multi-billion dollar project in Arkansas.
And what do you have in Arkansas that really makes it all possible?
Nuclear energy.
We have retrofits that are going on across the country.
We have small and large new builds.
President Trump has saved plants that we're going to go under.
And at EPA, we have been pushing forth regulatory proposals that would allow more plants to be built to streamline the process to make sure that it takes less time.
It costs less money.
There's more certainty when making this investment.
See, when President Trump talks about trillions of dollars of new investment coming to this country, this isn't some hypothetical claim of something that might happen years from now.
The ground is being broken all across America already of these massive new investments that are taking place.
And we're just going to keep it going.
We'll end up with more finalized deregulatory actions at one agency at the EPA in one year than entire federal governments have done in the past across all federal agencies across entire presidencies.
We're finalizing deregulatory actions into the trillions of dollars.
And we're proud of it.
And we're going to continue to stay focused no matter what.
You know, the New York Times or the Washington Post or any of these other left-wing outlets, no matter how much you might be upsetting some of the furthest left-wing Democrats in Congress, they are not going to bully and intimidate the Trump EPA out of doing the right thing to follow through on this deregulatory pledge to the American public to grow the economy.
Great work.
I want to say it again.
Of all of the operators in Trump's cabinet, you at the EPA, I only hear what a great job you're doing.
So Lee Zeldon, administrator of the EPA, great work.
It's no longer an impediment to growth, but a boon.
And so we thank you for your work.
We'll see you again soon.
Thank you, Lee.
Thanks, guys.
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All right, we have updates coming from SCOTUS.
There's a few clips here that our team is pulling right now.
You had one.
Could you read it to us or do we need to wait for the clip?
This was the Alito clip.
Oh, yeah.
Where the ACLU is forced to admit.
And we're talking, of course, about there's a case before the Supreme Court about trans sports, trans athletes.
By the way, this.
Yeah, see, all right, here we got it.
So this is supposedly, I don't have the audio clip, but this is someone watching it.
Alito to decide if there is discrimination on the basis of sex under Title IX.
We need to define what sex is, right?
And the ACLU says, yes.
So Alito says, what does it mean to be a man or a woman, a boy or a girl?
ACLU says, we do not have a definition for the court.
You know, it reminded me because you told me this in the break, and I was like, this is why Charlie was so good.
He just stuck on this question again and again and again because he knew it fried a liberal brain.
It actually short circuits a lot of their imagine if they just had to go, imagine if they tried to run past Alito with a, well, if you define as a woman, then you're a woman.
Yeah, well, I'm feeling very negative about the Supreme Court currently because I'm expecting them to come down against Trump's tariffs.
And then we have Senator Mark Wayne Mullen saying some not nice things about Neil Gorsuch, Justice Gorsuch.
And then you've got, you know, Amy Coney Barrett is basically saying similar, like calling them trans girls.
There's a boy and there's a girl.
And that's what the options are.
There's this trans girl stuff is it's not a good start.
It's not a good start that they're actually misrepresenting the sex of the children involved.
It's interesting that Kavanaugh does seem the most on our side because Kavanaugh was annoying in that, I can't remember the name of it, but the gay rights case that was during the Trump first admin.
Obergefell?
No, it wasn't that.
It was, well, so now that I think about it, I actually think he ruled our way, but he did write.
It was like an annoying thing where it was when they ruled that like gender identity was a protected class.
I think.
Oh, right.
And then in the ruling, he says, I ruled against this, but I want to applaud you guys because you've made a lot of progress over the last few years.
I'm just really happy.
I have a theory on Kavanaugh that he got red-pilled during the conference.
Well, people have speculated on that.
I don't think, truthfully, I don't think his record bears that out because he's been lib on stuff.
He's been more good than bad.
Overall, but I don't think people have reacted to him by going, wow, he's way more conservative than we anticipated.
And it must be because he's basically gone the problem.
The problem with the Supreme Court right now is that Trump's first term, we have some kind of, they're not swings and misses, but they're not dominant, right?
They're not an Alito.
They're not a, here we go, right behind your head right here.
Like probably, you know, the best, the two best Supreme Court justices we have were picked by two bushes.
Well, and they're a little older now.
That's my both of them are old.
And the trouble is, what I've heard, I remember speaking with someone who knew the court well, and the problem was like Alito and Thomas, they both kind of react to the vibe around them.
They get depressed when it's a liberal presidency and if they feel outnumbered on the court.
But when they don't feel outnumbered, when they're getting good cases, they get excited and they enjoy being a justice and then they're less likely to retire.
And that's a bother because it has to be said.
Justice Thomas, especially, is old.
It would strategically be sound for him to retire now rather than, I mean, even if he were to wait another year, if we've lost the Senate through some fluke or if it's a one, you know, one vote margin, then they could conceivably stonewall.
He's 77 years old, born in 1948.
And he is an amazing justice.
He's an incredible justice.
And Alito is amazing.
What's Alito's age?
I don't think he's that much.
He's certainly not youthful.
I think he's got to be 77.
Well, we'll find out.
I'm looking it up right now.
75 years old.
He was born in 1950.
So they're both.
Let's play a clip here from Alito questioning this Kathleen Martinetti, the attorney arguing before the Supreme Court case, I think on behalf of trans sports rights or whatever.
309.
That has a boys, let's say, track team and a girls' track team.
A student who has the genes and the reproductive system of a male and had those at birth and has never taken puberty blockers, never taken female hormones, never had any gender altering or affirming surgery says, nevertheless, I am a woman.
That's who I am.
Can the school say no, you cannot participate on the girls' team?
Yes, they can.
But that person, is that person not a woman in your understanding?
If the person says, I sincerely believe I am woman, I am in fact a woman.
Is that person not a woman?
I would respect their self-identity in addressing the person.
Self-identity.
I would respect their pronouns.
Yeah.
I mean, it's the big picture thing is, is neither of them, they're not imminently at death's door.
No.
But, and we have had justices who made it 290.
I believe Stevens did.
And he only, he lived a long time after he retired, too.
Well, you got the Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Exactly, though.
So you can have people, if you do not choose the time of your retirement, God will choose the time of your retirement.
And it may not be the time that men would prefer.
And so we have to think about that.
And we have to think about these Supreme Court appointments.
I wonder.
The three appointments we made, none of them were catastrophic.
They're not, we had Souter who was picked by a Republican and became a liberal member of the court, but they're also not home runs.
And we're also seeing how issues have evolved.
So for decades, the top concern of a lot of conservatives was, oh, we need to overturn Roebie Wade, for example.
We now have that.
We need to be thinking about what are the other issues that we're looking towards.
And so, for example, now it's a much bigger deal.
You have to have justices who are ready to overturn the DEI regime, the anti-you know, anti-white, anti-male discrimination stuff, really enforce that stuff.
And not everyone is great on that.
And you have to make sure you're getting justices who will be skilled at that and also skilled at the coalition building aspect of it.
And I talk to people who are clerks, lawyers, and they have a lot of interesting takes on this because there are judges who might be really good on the ideology stuff, but they alienate people.
And then there are judges who are good on the ideology stuff, but they're also very good at that backroom dealing stuff.
And it's very interesting to talk to them.
Yeah, you have a lot of connections within this area.
You're always talking to clerks and you back channel with a lot of these people.
So I take your word for this.
I think there, I will tell you, not too long ago, I was back east.
I was in DC and I was meeting with some people that this is all they focus on is picking and sifting through the potential nominees for a next Supreme Court justice.
And there's already names being floated, they're being vetted right now, I'm telling you.
So there's work being done, and there's a lot of disagreement about who's going to be the best, who's going to be the right pick.
But it's very possible that Trump will have another pick or potentially two.
We might have a majority Trump chosen Supreme Court, and it would be a huge miss if that's not an amazing Supreme Court.
There's a lot of people that don't want it to just go through the Federalist Society again.