Debates From the Archive - Charlie on Non-Political Topics
It’s another installment of Charlie’s best debates, with a twist. While most Prove Me Wrongs brought out left-wing students in droves, this episode compiles friendly exchanges with students from TPUSA’s Student Action Summit in July of 2025. They discuss Charlie’s Starbucks order, the best Star Wars film, immigration, and more. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com! Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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All right, so we're going to have some fun because, as you know, these videos go quite viral, right?
But I want to do a prove me wrong, but no politics, okay?
Other stuff.
Nothing up.
If you ask about politics, I'm kicking you out of line, okay?
Enough.
You guys can come to campus to do that.
Culture, dating, food, or sports, go cubs, right?
All right, fine.
Then come on up and prove me wrong.
All right, I'm going to have to wear my cubs hat then.
What do you think?
The great Ed Zeman is here.
Right?
Go Cubs.
So we're going to do a prove me wrong.
If you do politics, guys, I'll just be like, really?
Okay, fine.
I mean, I might answer your question, but probably not.
But prove me wrong.
What's on your mind, young man?
Hi, Charlie.
Got to make sure the mics work.
Yeah.
Hi, Charlie.
So nice to meet you.
My name is Ben.
I'm here representing Shemekita Community College in Oregon.
And I'm here to tell you that Revenge of the Sith is the best Star Wars movie of all time.
Yeah!
Yeah!
Let's go!
That's an unusual amount of applause for Revenge of the Sith.
So Revenge of the Sith is what, episode 2 or episode 3?
Three!
You think that's the best Star Wars movie?
Better than the original trilogy.
Why?
Okay, so it has the best choreography and the best CGI of all time.
It holds up.
It's way better than anything that's been putting out nowadays.
And on top of that, it's got biblical references.
You know, the fall of Satan, the fall of Lucifer, Palpatine tempting Anakin, just like the snake in the Garden of Eden.
Here you go.
You've done your homework here.
I have.
I have.
I got it all right here.
It ties the whole series together, making it the best franchise of all time.
Anakin is like the worst actor I've ever seen, ever.
I mean, whoa, Terrible.
He's terrible.
I'm going to die on this hill.
The original Star Wars is way better than anything.
I'm sorry.
I'm going to die on this hill.
New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi.
Better than all this new.
Can we at least agree the new one sense are terrible?
I don't even want to talk about that.
We all can agree on that, right?
The new ones are terrible.
Do you like the Phantom Menace?
No.
Okay, we'll agree on that.
Attack of the Clones is good, but Phantom Menace, no.
Revenge of the Sith is the best.
I think that you just like the prequels because of the nostalgia.
I like the nostalgia.
Also, the acting is better.
The story is better.
It's firmer.
I mean, like, I don't know.
I haven't watched these movies in so long, but you're talking about episode three, right?
Yeah.
I found it to be just so disappointing.
Is this a popular view held by people?
Yes, right?
Yeah.
No, it's not.
I don't know.
There's something, the first ever Star Wars, considering when it was made, and you want to talk about the most advanced CGI, the fact that they had those kind of graphics back in like, I think it was 1978, it came out?
77?
Yeah.
Well, you guys really know your stuff.
Okay, great.
He knows every year.
So I don't know if I proved you wrong, but you've definitely, I have learned something that people are passionate about.
So anyway, but we agree the new Star Wars are no good.
Yeah, down.
And all the spin-offs are just so, I mean, how many more spin-offs do they have to make?
It's terrible.
All right.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
All right, great.
Next one.
Hey, Charlie, my name is Barrett LeMaster from Centerville, Ohio.
My question is, how do you think dating apps and hookup culture have shaped a generation's understanding of intimacy, loyalty, and the understanding of the nuclear family?
Oh, it's terrible.
First of all, I mean, I encourage all of you to save yourselves for marriage and to reject hookup culture.
And this is not a preachy thing.
This is not, you know, I'm better than you or anything, but I encourage you to do it.
You'll be happier.
Your marriage will be better.
You will be, honestly, there's less problems, you know, when you get.
And these apps are terrible.
I mean, I would encourage you guys to get off the apps and go to church and actually go meet your future spouse.
And don't go on Tinder.
Go to a Bible study.
Yes, sir.
And look, I guess some people can find true love on these apps, but we know what those apps exist for.
Those apps exist for very low, shallow engagement that does not always and almost never brings long-lasting stability and connection.
If you want to build a life with somebody, date with the intent to marry, number one, and find somebody that shares your values.
I will also die on this hill.
I think it's wrought with problems if you are a conservative and you end up marrying a liberal.
Do not do that.
But you want to marry somebody that you are able to talk about the news every night, that you share core values with.
And I don't think you get that on some silly dating app.
I agree.
Thank you.
God bless you, man.
Thank you so much.
Next question.
Or prove me wrong statement or whatever.
Yes.
Hi.
This is so cool.
I'm Jennifer.
I'm from Southlake.
I will be graduating this year.
This is amazing.
I'm the president.
The president was the president of the Southlake chapter.
I was just curious what your standpoint on women in men's fields.
I'm going to be a pilot.
That's what I'm studying in aviation.
And I want a family as well.
But the problem with going into a male-dominated field is the women's, we don't get a lot of maternity leave.
And I wonder what your mindset on that one is.
It's a tough question.
So if you had to, which one matters more?
Great family or great career?
Family.
Great family.
So, I mean, go be a pilot, you travel the world, you might meet your future husband, but you should want to meet your future husband that will be able to make enough money that you can quit.
That would be my advice.
I always tell that to young ladies, that if you, by the way, you have a career, if something doesn't work out, you'll be able to support yourself.
But deep down, women in America, they have kids, and they weep to themselves when they have to go and put their nine-month-old in daycare.
We want a country.
People say, Charlie, what does success look like?
My number one thing I'm obsessed about, I want to live in a country where if a woman does not want to go to work having to have a kid, she does not have to go to work and she could stay at home and raise those kids.
It is, we should all seek to build that country.
It's good for men.
It's good for women.
It's good for kids.
Good for family, good for community.
It's not knocking people that use daycare at all.
If you have to use daycare, God bless you.
I know it's tough, but honestly, too many people have to not want to.
And we should have a country.
In the 1980s, a father working was able to support an entire family.
Now things are so expensive.
Homes are out of reach.
Inflation has crushed us.
Both the man and the woman have to go into the workforce.
That is bad.
It is bad for everybody.
It creates strangers raising our kids.
And also, it creates women that have to go into the workforce that are unhappy in their job because they'd rather have their six-month-old baby in their arms.
And honestly, it's much more important for you to raise your six-month-old baby than crunching numbers on a spreadsheet for some company that doesn't even know your name.
So it seems like you know what you're doing being a pilot.
God bless you for that.
It's an awesome skill to have, by the way.
You'll be able to teach your kid to be a pilot.
But here's my one piece of advice: be willing to quit if you find the man of your dreams and you start building a family.
Because building a family is far more important than getting another 10,000 hours flying around the world.
God bless you.
Thank you so much.
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Hi, Charlie.
My name is Cam.
I go to the University of North Dakota.
I'm a lifelong Vikings fan, and I love football.
It's a very masculine sport.
All right.
How many Super Bowls have the Minnesota Vikings ever won?
All right.
All right.
We don't got to discuss.
No, let's count them.
I think we're done counting.
Exactly.
That's right.
There's no need to count.
All right.
Well, I know you're from Chicago.
Let's count again.
I know you're from Chicago.
I'm just wondering how you feel about the fact that the worst team in the NFL, the Bears, is led by a man who paints his fingernails.
First of all, I'm not a defender of Caleb Williams.
Second of all, 85 Bears were the greatest football team ever assembled in NFL history.
Third of all, I don't have to hear Smack Talk from a football team.
I don't think you've ever been to a Super Bowl.
Four.
You guys have been to four?
Yeah.
That makes it even worse.
Choke.
That's what I think of, right?
And by the way, it's like the Buffalo Bills style.
So.
Oh, they didn't like that.
Oh, that's right.
That was four in a row that the Buffalo Bills lost, not just four.
So, no, I'm not a fan of Caleb Williams, but I will say, go Bears.
What?
You think painting fingernails is ruining the family?
No, I'm not going to defend Caleb Williams, but I will say the Bears are a much better franchise than the Minnesota Vikings.
Not currently.
Huh?
Not currently.
I mean, I don't know.
You guys choked in the playoffs last year, too.
You guys didn't make the playoffs.
Go Bears.
Hi, Charlie.
My name's Willem from the University of Central Oklahoma.
I'm lucky to have found the love of my life.
We've been together for about a year and a half, and I want to marry her one day after we both graduate college.
However, she's not where I am in my journey with Christ, and I want to have a marriage centered around Christ, and I want to know what are some of the best ways I can help guide her towards our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ so that we can share a happy future together.
It's a phenomenal question.
Here's my first immediate: do not get married until that gets sorted out.
Do not get married with the intent to convert your spouse.
And if it does not get sorted out, then I would caution for you to enter into marriage.
You enter into marriage as a covenant.
Now, what is a contract is a thing between two people.
I want to buy something from you, or I want to lease something.
A covenant is something between three people: man, woman, God.
A covenant has no expiration date.
A covenant is built on love and trust and mutual shared values.
A contract is not.
So my advice for all of you is enter into marriage covenantally, not contractually.
Get married in a church.
Do pre-married marital counseling.
Make sure your spouse shares your values about religion.
If they don't, try to figure it out, and it might not be the right choice for you.
Because here's what I'll tell you: marriage will get hard.
And when marriage gets hard and you're going to church to sort out your problems and she's not, that's a no-brainer.
Number one, you asked a specific question.
Pray for your future spouse.
Pray for her.
Bring her to church.
Ask her the tough questions.
There are probably.
Can I ask you, what is her objection as to why she will not follow Jesus?
Is it technical that she doesn't think there's enough evidence?
Is that she was wronged by religion growing up?
Is it she thinks it's hypocritical?
I know all the objections.
So which one would it be?
She doesn't really know how there can be a higher power when there's so much evil in the world.
Yeah, okay, got it.
So very, she strikes me as somewhat smart, right?
Very.
So here's what you should say.
Evil cannot exist if there is no standard of good.
So let me ask you, very simple.
You can do a thought exercise.
Just draw a crooked line for her and say, honey, is this a crooked line?
Yes.
How do you know that?
Well, she's saying, because I know what a straight line looks like.
Wait a second.
So how do you know what is evil?
Because you have a straight good to compare it to.
She only knows something is evil because she believes there's a transcendent good.
Evil does not exist.
Evil is just an opinion if there is no God.
Murder is not wrong if there is no God.
Stealing is not wrong if there is no God.
So the way to convince her of that is that you're not the first person to wrestle with the question of evil.
The more important question is, is it actually evil?
Or is it just an opinion?
And we believe that we know as believers that there's an absolute standard above us that we appeal to.
And finally, I'll just, I think you should say the question.
The Bible tells us two things.
God will use all things for good for those who love him.
Romans 12, 2.
But that might not satisfy her.
Instead, the question of evil should be, we as Christians, we have to explain a couple things.
We have to explain like child suffering.
Like, I'll be honest, it's really tough for us to wrestle with the fact that these girls are at Christian summer camp and they get washed away in a flood.
It's tough, right?
We have to explain child cancer and flooding and earthquakes.
But the atheist, they have to explain everything else.
They have to explain why we exist.
What is love?
What is mercy?
Why is it that our universe came to being?
Is there a standard of good?
Is there a standard of evil?
They have to explain everything else.
So I don't know if most women are led to the gospel through more, let's say, emotional feeling type.
She might sound very analytical, and that's fine.
But I would encourage her and say, just because there is evil does not mean there is no God.
In fact, it means the only reason you know it's evil is because there's a transcendent, perfect standard of good, and that is God Himself.
God bless you, Charlie.
Thank you very much.
Hey, Charlie.
My name is Vivian Chamberlain, and I'm from Troy University in Troy, Alabama.
I just had a quick question.
I don't know if you've been asked this before or not, but as a Christian, what music and media would you recommend allowing into your home in a culture that is just so focused on immorality rather than the traditional principles that we see?
That's a great question.
Phenomenal.
So for our kids, we only allow classical music, praise music, or a very couple exception old songs.
So my daughter loves Dolly Parton, so we play Jolene.
My son loves It's a Man's World by James Brown with Pavarati.
Great song to raise a son on, by the way.
Besides that, though, modern music is complete filth and garbage.
Anything that has been published in the last 10 years, and you say, oh, you know, country music.
I barely consider that to be music, to be honest.
I know you guys.
Sorry.
Just the way it is.
It's the way it is.
It's very hard to listen to.
It's an affront to my senses, actually.
And it's fine, you don't have to agree.
But you as a parent need to guard yourself first.
The music you listen to, you notice you memorize all these lyrics.
By the way, it also matters the type of Christian worship music you're listening to.
Some of this Christian worship music is all about like, I, me.
Or there was one that there was this one recently that was, someone sent it to me.
I'm going to think about it.
It was, I'll think, it was this ridiculous thing, not irresistible grace.
It was something about, it was a contradiction about God.
It sounded good lyrically, but it makes no sense.
Everybody, your Christian music should also be biblically consistent and glorify God as well.
So look, here's the key.
Classical music, Haydn, Mozart, Bach, you know, at the top of every one of their compositions they said, glory be to God.
We do not listen to classical music enough in the West.
It's time for us to stop listening to rap music and this degenerate hip-hop stuff and go back to the music that built our civilization.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
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Good afternoon, Charlie.
My name is Peter.
I am from Johns Creek High School, Georgia.
And I want to ask you if Michelle Obama throw hands with Kamala Harris, who's going to win?
Michelle Obama in like 10 seconds.
Michelle Obama would manhandle Kamala Harris.
Yo, do we agree?
Do we agree?
You guys agree, Michelle Obama?
I think it's Harris.
I think it's Harris.
Me personally.
Why?
Well, because look at Harris, like she can just like talk her game in front of Michelle Obama and then like Michelle can get distracted.
She can like sneak like an uppercut in.
I don't know.
It could happen.
I know Michelle Obama's a street fighter.
I would not.
I wouldn't mess with Michelle Obama.
I agree on that part.
I agree on that part.
There's a lot more I could say, but I would not mess with Michelle Obama.
That's all I'm going to say.
Thank you so much.
Next question.
Thank you.
Okay.
Hi, Charlie.
My name is Aquavian, and I'm an incoming freshman at the University of Texas at Austin.
My question is: is it just me or parents way too chill about their kids falling behind as long as they're happy and they have an iPad in their hand?
You are totally right.
By the way, you're going to UT, is that right?
Yes, I go like this, but that's okay.
We'll talk about that later.
Yeah, okay.
One of the greatest events I've ever done is at Texas AM University.
I'll never forget it.
It was unbelievable.
And UT was a disaster, but that's because maybe we'll make it up last time I go.
Next time I go, I think you would all agree.
One of the greatest tragedies is when I go out to eat with my wife, or I just go out to eat in general, and there's a family of four and they're all staring at screens.
There's something so distant and so remote.
An iPad or an iPhone has become a digital pacifier for this generation.
I agree.
And so, yeah, I mean, look, I think there's a lot wrong with that.
I think we should have no phones in classrooms, no phones in schools, and bring back actual robust learning in these classrooms.
Yes, I agree.
I'm 31 years old.
I'm not much older than you guys.
I grew up in a time where we did not have phones in our classrooms, and it was a better way to live, and it was a better country through and through.
I agree.
Thank you.
God bless.
Thank you.
God bless.
All right, we got two here.
Go.
It's your turn, Lord.
Hello, nice to meet you.
I'm Anna Sajan.
This is my friend Camilla, and we're both going into the ninth grade.
We both have a question to ask you, but first, we would like to thank you for all that you've done for the youth.
And then my question is: what is your Starbucks order?
You've been carrying a Starbucks cup around.
That's a great question.
What do you think it is?
A pumpkin macchiato?
What is that?
Somebody said green tea.
Someone said soy milk.
Somebody.
Chai.
That's not chai.
No.
I literally drink this for one reason because I lose my voice very easily.
It is literally just mint majesty tea with two honeys.
And I drink like nine of them a day.
Otherwise, I lose my voice.
By the way, people think I dip or like I put tobacco in.
Have you guys thought that when you watch the videos?
Have you guys thought that?
No.
Because these are throat lozenges that keep me from losing my voice.
That is a great question.
So now you know the Starbucks order.
Yes.
Okay.
My question is: if you could have a superpower, what would it be and why?
Boy, a superpower?
That's a good question.
I think that I'm trying to think what would be the, whatever would do the greatest good.
So probably, I don't want to say time travel because that's too much like God, but I would say, I mean, flying's pretty good.
Super speed, yeah.
It's very interesting.
If someone says they are superpower, they want to be able to be invisible, they're probably up to something very bad.
If somebody answers that question as, I want to be able to be invisible, nobody's behavior gets better as soon as you become invisible.
It's like, it doesn't work that way.
So probably flying.
That sounds awesome.
I'd be able to get to my events quicker.
I'll be able to do three of these in a day.
I could do UT and then go have a better event at Texas A ⁇ M, and it'd be great.
Thank you both.
God bless you.
You want a hat?
Yes, please.
Thank you.
Yes, sir.
That's Jesus of Nazareth on your chest, right?
Yes, sir.
Hello, Charlie.
My name's Tristan, future U.S. Army soldier, going to basic training.
Good for you.
God bless you.
So I've been waiting for this moment for about a year and a half.
So I just got a question to ask you.
I was always raised Republican conservative.
But first, always I'm a child of God.
And so I just wanted to ask you just one question about Trump's immigration policies, if that's okay.
Go ahead.
Okay.
So I have.
But you did say no politics, though, right?
I know.
So you're breaking that rule, but that's fine because you're very sweet.
But again, I don't, this is not the venue for this, but yeah.
I understand.
All right.
So I'm going to read this verse.
It's Leviticus 19, verse 33 and 32.
Yes, which is to love the foreigner in your land because you're a bunch of foreigners in Egypt, basically, right?
Yes.
Right.
So what else is what is Leviticus 19, 18?
What was that?
Oh.
No, no, how much?
Leviticus 19, I think it's like Leviticus 19, 18, which is, in the administration of justice, you shall not favor the poor or the rich.
So, in that same verse, when we're enforcing our laws, what would the biblical way to handle somebody that came into the country illegally?
Remove them.
Yeah.
However, do you think that the way that we are doing it and the way ICE is handling it is being done in a biblical manner?
Absolutely.
Yes.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
What are you seeing that I'm missing?
Just the ruthless.
What do you mean, ruthless?
I mean, you break into somebody's home.
They're the ruthless ones, right?
I agree, but not all of them.
The ones who have.
Oh, no, they all broke into our home.
Right?
I understand.
No, no, prove me wrong.
No, if you're here illegally, you're in my home.
You were invited and you broke in.
That is a sin.
That's a violation of federal law.
So if we're going to put hands on you, I'm sorry.
You came into our country uninvited.
You're the one that was ruthless.
We're the one that's being just.
Okay.
Correct.
Yeah.
Okay.
And by the way, God is justice.
And by the way, it says in Leviticus 19: again, when we administer justice, you don't do it less because you feel sorry for somebody.
And deportations are completely biblical.
So you have 25, 30, 40 million people that have lied to get Social Security numbers.
Thou shalt not give false testimony.
They've stolen Social Security numbers.
Thou shalt not steal.
They have illegally harbored themselves in this country.
These are all federal law brokers, right?
So what should the penalty be for that?
Remove, yeah.
You're right, we agree.
We should deport every illegal alien here as quickly as possible.