Indiana native Kane of Citizen Free Press rejoins the show after an extended hiatus to discuss the battle between Indiana’s MAGA voters and not-so-MAGA Republicans over redistricting. He also gives a national “vibe check” and talks about Indiana reaching #1 in college football, Notre Dame boycotting the Pop-Tarts Bowl, and more. Will Chamberlain then joins to analyze the European Union’s bid to crush online free speech with a mammoth fine against Elon Musk’s X. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Welcome back.
Hour two of the Charlie Kirk Show.
And I am extraordinarily excited about our next guest.
And I'll tell you why, because he is a dear friend.
And he has not been back on the show since we lost Charlie.
And he, at various points in this show's history, has been a regular.
He even joined us in Detroit.
We're going to play that clip.
And that, of course, is Kane from Citizen Free Press.
Very excited to have you back on the show, my friend.
Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Yeah, happy to be here, Andrew.
I checked, you know, on the Zoom Infight for this interview.
It was February 13th.
That was the last time you were on?
Yeah, that was the last time I on.
So you and I talked, obviously, February, March, April.
I remember we DM back and forth, but I was just, as you know, I got pissed off about deficits, about the deficits, right, in the big, beautiful bill.
And I was having a battle with Besson and Russ Vogt.
And, you know, and so I just was negative, man.
All I would have had to say was negative stuff about how there wasn't enough, there weren't enough spending cuts.
So I just, I ducked out of the media scene for six months or so.
Yeah, you know, that's interesting.
And Blake will remember this as well.
We kind of went through our own journey and Charlie went through his own journey with the big, beautiful bill.
And I think it really turned for him when we had Stephen Miller on the show.
It was an extended conversation, like 30, 35 minutes, and it went viral, you know, kind of explaining the nuances of the bill, why Stephen Miller was in support of it.
Obviously, he's part of the administration, so you've got to assume that he's, you know, going to say supportive things.
But it was actually an incredibly compelling moment.
And I remember that clip went viral and really helped galvanize a lot of the basis support for that bill.
But listen, we understand everybody wanted less spending.
We all want less spending.
We do.
But yeah, go ahead, Ken.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, I was going to say I understood Besson's point the whole time, and I even tried to promote it.
You know, I was giving them a fair shake.
And what he was saying was basically this, you know, 300, I think the spending cut number, you know, for the first year was $156 billion.
And his point was, look, if we cut $300 billion or $350 or $400 billion out of discretionary, it's actually going to take a 1% slice out of GDP.
And that's what he was worried about.
He was saying, give them four years.
They're going to get this right.
He was talking all about measuring it as a percentage of GDP.
So he's like, we're at 7% now.
Give us four years.
We'll get it into the threes.
We'll get it down to, you know, to where the annual deficit is just 3.5% of GDP.
And I understood his point.
And that's what Stephen Miller was talking about.
I was just, you know, as I've told you privately, right?
The whole reason I'm into politics that I got radicalized back in 1987 when I was working at CNN was the national debt.
And that's when it crossed like a trillion and a half or $2 trillion.
So I just, you know, it's, I have a stick up my butt about the debt and deficit.
And just that's, you know, I figured somehow I got this large audience after eight years, right?
And I might as well use it.
And so I used it to just kind of drive the point that Senator Johnson and a few others were really making about cuts.
But anyway, I'm over it.
I was never against the bill.
And I made that clear on the final day that I fully supported it.
Anyway, whatever.
I don't want to get admirable.
That's admirable because we do need people to care about that.
We can't forget about it because people, it's the thing everyone in the country loves to just push under the rug, but the rug is getting very elevated at this point.
But we wanted to have you on, Kane, because what Charlie loved talking to you about so much was you have those links out there.
You see what people are clicking on, what they care about.
You are an incredibly good vibes reader, as it were.
And we've had a lot of discussion this last fall about what are the vibes on the right.
Are they feeling optimistic?
Are they feeling downbeat?
How quickly can one change change from the one to the other?
So the floor is yours on that question.
Well, here's what I would say quickly.
I would say, you know what?
The base is fine.
They're maybe scared.
And I'm going to make the distinction between the Twitter base and the base that never goes on Twitter unless they're on a link, you know, from CFP, people who don't have Twitter accounts.
So again, the scared part, why is that?
Well, it's always the same thing that we get our butts kicked in these special elections, in these off-year elections.
And Charlie and I would go through that.
He would be like, chill out, Kane.
It's going to be okay.
We're going to get turnout in 2024.
And not, if you, I mean, you remember we lost, what, 13 straight of those special elect or Democrats overperformed in 13 straight.
So anyway, they're scared because of that.
And I'm going to play a clip from this was your first public appearance with Charlie and I in Detroit at our People's Convention last year.
Let's go ahead and play 147.
If we do not expand our base with new voter registration and high turnout, we are not going to win.
And the higher turnout, the higher likelihood that we are going to win.
And Democrats know this.
And so we need to engage in every legal way we possibly can to make it too big to rig.
And Kane, if our elections were actually honest and secure, what would the result end up being?
I want people to understand what Turning Point Ashton, Turning Point USA has been doing over the last six months regarding chasing the vote.
All right.
What Andrew just talked about, the low propensity voters, we've got to get out and register at all, you know, play by the rules.
We don't like these rules.
We don't think that absentee ballots are the way to go for the future.
But as long as they're part of the system, we have to use that.
It's a good memory, Kane.
Hey, Kane, if you can hear me, I'm not sure if you're with us or if we're reconnecting you, but I actually, you and I reconnected recently, and I was telling you, I've gotten a bunch of emails at freedom at charliekirk.com saying, where's Citizen Free Press?
Where's Kane?
Where is he?
I'm now looking through some of our emails.
In fact, I think I was even, we were inspired to reach out to him again because we had an email from Samantha just a few weeks ago.
Hey, Blake and Andrew, has anyone checked in with Citizen Kane?
Is he doing okay?
And I said, yes, we still talk to him.
He's doing well, but we actually need to get him on the show.
All right.
Well, so this is a good time to bring up the updates in Indiana.
I cannot tell you how many emails I've gotten or texts from reporters about Indiana.
So we announced this last week.
We had a rally there at the state house in Indiana.
And there is a big, big fight that is brewing right now.
And it's going to come to a head probably this week where they are going to vote on the new maps in Indiana.
So, are we going to have a completely red state, all Republican congressional districts redrawn?
There's a certain percentage of the senators in that state that have not indicated which way they are going to vote.
There is a strong possibility, and the reason this is pertinent to Kane, obviously, is that's his home state.
He's a big Indiana Hoosier.
And so, they are going to reconvene Monday afternoon to begin consideration of House Bill 1032.
And the redesign would likely eliminate Indiana's two Democratic-held congressional districts to create a 9-0 Republican map ahead of 2026.
This is a huge, huge deal.
The House approved the redistricting bill as expected on a vote 57 to 41.
12 Republicans joined all Democrats in opposition.
But Senate President Pro Tem Roderick Bray has warned that there are not enough votes to move that idea forward.
And so, what's happening in the background here is that groups like Turning Point Action and others, there's a big coalition that is building and forming.
We are going to have congressional-level spending going after to primary these senators in Indiana to get them more in alignment with their base voters.
The base voters in Indiana want this new map.
Kane, do you, yeah, I've transitioned since you've been gone to this new redistricting map.
There is a huge, huge push going on right now.
How do people feel about redistricting Indiana and across the country?
They're incredibly pissed off in Indiana that the Indiana Senate is blowing all this smoke.
As you probably mentioned, the vote was 5741 in the House, Indiana House, just on Friday, right?
And that was with 10 or 11 Democrats or Republicans defecting and voting with Democrats.
There's going to be hell to pay if the Indiana Senate doesn't approve this thing.
In that political article, they say that Mike Johnson's been making phone calls and don't bet on this outcome yet.
We may get our map.
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Love that line, Kane.
There is going to be hell to pay.
And I talk about this.
I talked about this last week.
Blake will remember that when you have a solidly red state that gets kind of out, it's left out on an island of its own.
We're not focusing on it during a presidential year because it's not a swing state.
What happens is these incumbent political parties and machines are able to keep existing.
They kind of just hide in the shadows, and you get this misalignment between the base voters that are consuming content at citizen-free press that are consuming content on this show.
They get misaligned with the base voters and the political class.
And that's what you're having in Indiana, where you have these weak, squishy senators that are standing in the way of what the base wants.
And there will be hell to pay, Kane.
Yeah.
And you had, and as an Indiana resident, you had no idea this was going on, right?
There's never a test.
There's, how do you know that these people are this way, that they're this squishy, that they're going to react this way to a simple redistricting?
So it caught, you know, I think it surprised the voters.
And look, I'm sure you mentioned it.
You know, Indiana is a big pro-Trump state.
We've been plus 20 or so for the last two elections.
I mean, we sent Evan Bai packing again, you know, when he thought he could waltz back in for a senate seat.
So anyway, this is a strong Trump state.
And it's shocking that the, you know, that so many of the state senators are this out of touch.
Again, as I sort of said before we went to break, you know, calls have been made.
There's been pressure that has been applied this weekend.
So, you know, I'm watching it by the hour on local TV.
So we're going to see how the Senate, how this sort of plays out.
I think we have a chance, you know, to eliminate.
And last thing I'll say before throwing it back, one of the two Democrat seats is held by Andre Carson.
He's done nothing in his life except serve under his mom.
His mom, I forget her name, but she was a congresswoman from Indianapolis for 50 years.
She died like in her 80s or 90s in the last, I don't know, let's say 10, 15 years ago.
And our son has just swooped into the stick into that seat.
So it'll be wonderful to get him out of Congress.
I got to ask you, Kane, what about this Indiana state senator, Michael Bohachek, that says he will oppose redistricting because Trump said the R word?
Yeah, that guy got pissed off, right?
Trump said retard in a true social post.
And this guy got offended because he has a son, I believe, who has autism or some learning disability.
And I understand that on a personal level, but that's not what your job is.
His job isn't to sort of protect his family.
His job is to do the right thing for the state of Indiana.
And so, you know, to me, that's completely ridiculous.
Well, he's going to be on our list here.
And, you know, he, by the way, he recently pleaded guilty, apparently, to driving while intoxicated.
He was three times Indiana's legal limit.
So there's some inconsistencies in his background.
Kane, give us an update on your traffic.
How's things going at Citizen Free Press?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, here's an interesting peek into how media works.
When your side wins, traffic goes down.
When your side loses, traffic goes up.
So when Biden won in 2020, the last four years, people are freaked out.
They're checking news.
They're checking my site eight times a day.
Now I get the same number of people every day, but they check about five times.
But that, in all honesty, part of that is probably due to my slacking, as you know, because you read the site every day.
The last six months, you know, for the first time in nine years, I decided not to work 16, 18 hours a day.
And I worked 12 to 14.
So there's fewer, there have been fewer updates.
But traffic's still fine.
I'm doing 12 million page views a day.
It's about six and a half million people per month come on their own to the homepage.
So that's 2% of the population.
Well done.
Massive powerhouse at Citizen Free Press.
Kane, it feels like we're getting like the old vibes back.
I'm not kidding.
I was telling the team when I walked into the studio today, I was like, man, I feel the vibe shift.
There's like a, I don't know what it is.
Maybe it's just in my head, but having you back on feels really, really good.
I hope you will not be a stranger, Kane, and that you will come back more often because we need to keep the base focused.
And that's what you and Charlie did, which is what you and me and Charlie and Blake, keep the base focus on those, on the main things.
Like, hey, redistricting.
This is a huge fight that's happening this week.
You got to contact your senators.
By the way, if you want to get involved, tpaction.com forward slash act Indiana.
Charlie loved college football, so we keep talking about it because we are in the playoff bracket period.
And I have to, I can't believe that we're sitting in a situation where Indiana is the number one team.
Where did this come from?
I have no idea.
And you knew this would be a topic I could talk about.
I've been going to games since I was six years old.
The football stadium is a mile from my house that I grew up in.
And I rolled around on those stupid hills and rolled around in that stadium.
So for 50-some years, I've been a fan.
What, 15 coaches, all average, all failed?
You get one guy.
One guy brings in this philosophy that I've never heard before.
Every play has a life of its own, you know, independent of the play before.
He brings it in and they go, what?
We went 11-0 last year until we lost Ohio State.
And then, you know, anyway, it's unbelievable.
I did not expect to win the game in Indy.
The town's on fire.
We're ranked number one for the first time in history.
You know, I don't, I can't even believe it's happening.
I still, you know, I had to, we lost 30 straight years to Ohio State, as you know.
And I want people to know, you know, when Andrew talks about football, he was an all-state safety in Nevada in high school.
He could have played college safety for a bunch of schools.
So he knows football better than I do.
But this is insane.
And it was insane that Indiana went to Oregon and won.
And I thought of our dear brother Charlie then and, you know, how much he loved University of Oregon football.
And it's just, it's also bittersweet, but it's exciting.
And what the heck?
We're, you know, we're ranked number one.
How about that?
How about that?
You beat the Ohio State Buckeyes and Danny on our team was in tears.
But they're still ranked number two.
You might get a rematch here.
Hey, Blake, you're the Catholic here.
Notre Dame was left out, which is a big scandal across college football.
I'm sorry.
Do you care?
No, I'm angry.
I'm angry that Notre Dame is throwing a temper tantrum.
And so, one, they turned down the Catholics versus Mormon ball, but they also turned down specifically, it is the Pop-Tart ball in which they literally sacrifice the Pop-Tart.
They lower the mascot into the giant toaster oven, and then they consume the mascot.
Yes.
And I think that's probably the best modern tradition we have in college football.
And they're pooping on it.
I think they're being kind of babies, to be honest.
Are they throwing a tantrum, Kane?
Yes, they are from the state.
First off, Blake is 100% correct about the Pop-Tart thing.
It's this hilarious meme thing they do at this bull.
I've seen it the last few years.
But yeah, they're throwing a fit.
They had the ESPN reporter on scene yesterday, and she said people were walking, the players were walking out with their heads down.
They feel like they called it a farce, right?
The whole deal for people who don't know is suddenly Miami jumped BYU in the rankings.
So they were comparing Miami dead on with Notre Dame.
And they decided in that comparison that Miami gets the bid because Miami beat them in the first or second game of the season, head to head.
So, and that pissed off Notre Dame fans because in the preceding, you know, college football puts out, the committee puts out rankings once a week, separate from AP and the coaches poll.
And Notre Dame had been ranked ahead of Miami.
So they fell in with what they call a false sense of security that they were going to get the bid.
So yeah, there's the pop-tart.
Great work by your producers.
But yeah, Notre Dame is like they're taking their ball and going home.
They're saying if we don't get in the college playoffs, yeah.
Well, we're looping around.
I remember when it was only, you know, they only had the national title game and there was no playoff and people would complain.
Oh, unfair things caused people to leap.
And we can fix this if we have a four-team playoff.
And then teams didn't, they'd complain about how unfair they didn't get in the final four.
And now they're like, we made 12 teams.
Every remotely plausible national champion will get in.
And they're still throwing a huge temper tantrum.
And I would say, Notre Dame, if you want to not throw a temper tantrum about how it's unfair to overtake you, win all your games or join a conference that you can win and get another win in the final week of the season.
All right, we have to go because we're running out of time.
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I want to play actually a clip.
If you guys can find it, Trump was talking about TikTok and Charlie helping with the youth vote.
So if you can find me that clip really quick, I want to play it because it's just really sweet.
So anyways, we'll get to that clip in just a second.
In the meantime, I want to bring in Will Chamberlain.
He is the senior counsel for the Article 3 project.
So he works with our good friend Mike Davis, does a lot of other things.
Will, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
It's good to have you here.
It's good to be with you.
Long time OC.
I haven't been on since before, obviously, Charlie's passing.
So I, you know, hope, you know, miss you guys and obviously wishing you very, very well.
Thank you, Will.
You've been fantastic.
You've been so supportive, and we really appreciate it genuinely.
You are a legal mind.
You're working with, like we said, Mike Davis, who's a frequent guest on this show.
And there's really, I think, two big stories on the legal front.
Maybe you would argue there's more.
And so we can get to those as well if we have time.
But the first one, and we've already got to the birthright citizenship in hour one.
I want to revisit that with you.
But the other big one that kind of was making waves this weekend is what's happening in Europe.
Of course, with the DSA, the Digital Services Act, which was put in place in 2023, and it affects, I would believe, censorship.
X was one of the, if not the only, major social media platform that has defied DSA, and they got a big fine of 140 million dollars, 120 million euros over the weekend that was announced.
Elon Musk is raging about it, calling it BS, but not using the acronym.
What is going on here, Will, and what are the implications for us here in the United States?
Yeah, so the EU Commission has fined X for $140 million.
They claim that giving out the verified check to anybody who pays $8 a month for it is deceptive.
Now, that's not true because Elon Musk and X have been extremely transparent in how they've structured the verified program.
If anything, it was the prior administration that was totally deceptive with how they were handing out blue checks.
It was a complete black box.
Now Elon's transparent.
They're also going after Elon for refusing to hand over X's proprietary API data so that European researchers can go through it for free and figure out what's wrong with X. All this is, I think, part of what maybe Americans have sort of are sort of waking up to, which is that there's this discordance between the European Union and NATO.
You know, when European countries put on their NATO hats, they're extraordinarily grateful for the Transatlantic Alliance being under the American security umbrella.
When they put on their EU hat, they're part of an adversarial trade bloc that wants to exert leverage over the United States and American companies.
And I don't think we should have to put up with that.
And I think that the EU, the Europeans need to make a choice whether they prefer being under the American security umbrella or antagonizing American companies because we're not going to put up with both.
Yeah.
Well, so how does this impact American companies then?
So all of the other social media sites, whether that be Meta, Google, they have complied.
Is that right?
I mean, and what are the implications for our free speech, if that is true?
Well, there's some sites that haven't that are kind of only based in the United States, but that hasn't stopped European regulators from going after them.
For example, I believe it's 4chan was sent letters by Ofcom, the UK's independent regulator, trying to tell them that they needed to start censoring speech, but that obviously would be in violation of their First Amendment rights under the Constitution.
So they're telling the UK to go pound sand, but it does create this fundamental problem and imbalance where there's no cost to these European countries going after the United States.
And that's, I think that, and we have to spend a lot of money defending ourselves.
So I think there's a good lawyer by the name of Preston Byrne who's proposed something called the Granted Act that's already been taken up in the state of Wyoming.
And we're hearing from the Department of State that they're looking at a federal granted act.
And the idea is that anytime a European sovereignty makes a threat against an American company that would threaten them if they don't censor their speech, they immediately have a private right of action here in the United States to sue that sovereignty or that company for three times the amount of the threat, which I think is the right way to go.
I think the European Union is vastly overplaying its hand legally here.
They are far more dependent on access to United States markets.
They're far more dependent on United States security cooperation than we are on them.
And so we shouldn't, and I don't think we will put up with their continued threats to our free speech.
Yeah, I just want to drive home how despicable this is.
A lot of people don't realize how Europe works.
So for example, this fine came from the European Commission.
What's the European Commission?
Well, the European Union, even though they obviously will scream all the time about democracy, but it's super fake.
You can't, in America, we can elect President Trump through an actual direct election.
We are able to elect our Congress.
In the European Union, they have the European Commission.
And the way you get on the European Commission is governments appoint members of it.
They're the only ones who can come up with any regulations, any proposed laws from the European Union.
No one in Europe actually gets to vote on these directly.
They just have the European Parliament and it gets an up or down vote on stuff that comes from the European Commission.
And the other thing that's going on is Europe is in economic sharp decline.
They've decided it's immoral to make electricity.
It's immoral to build houses.
It's immoral to really develop any technology whatsoever or to favor entrepreneurship.
And so you can look this up.
I encourage everyone to Google this phrase, regulatory superpower.
This is what Europe is reduced to.
Well, we have 800 million people.
So let's become a, quote, regulatory superpower where we just pass laws and we boss people around and in this case, literally shake them down for money.
And that's what Europe is reduced to because they aren't innovative.
They aren't dynamic.
They're just rich because of things that their ancestors did decades or hundreds of years ago.
And that's what we're stuck having to deal with here.
They're dependent on us for security.
They're dependent on us for innovation.
And they think they can boss around what we say on the internet.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Yeah.
I mean, Will, so diving into this DSA, though, what are the dynamics?
What are the rules of it?
Like, what are the stipulations even?
It seems a lot like Calvin Ball, honestly.
Like, it's like, I think it probably has some generic prohibition on deceptive trade practices, the kind of thing we have here.
But then it gives the EU this incredible scope to interpret what constitutes a deceptive trade practice.
It doesn't look like there is a court involved in making this decision or attempts any real due process or litigation.
It's just the European Commission decided that Twitter's verified process was unlawful.
And that's the end of that.
And moreover, the way they're doing it, I mean, they're just completely flagrantly in violation of American speech jurisprudence here.
Sorry, like Elon Musk gets to determine how X verifies its users.
As long as he's not lying about it, the EU doesn't get to complain.
You know, if the EU decides they want to just shut X out of its market entirely, fine.
That's great.
Like it'll at least make it clear where we stand here.
You know, like, oh, you guys are actually antagonistic adversarial nations like China instead of supposedly friendly allied nations in fellow inheritors of Western civilization.
Okay, very well.
We can we can proceed on that basis.
You know, we, the difference is China has a real military and you don't.
Yeah, well, that's interesting.
And this was near and dear to Charlie's heart, by the way.
This is one of the themes of the last year, especially when he visited the UK with Blake and some of the other team.
But it was an acknowledgement that the fundamental relationship of our transatlantic allies, the inheritors, as you said, of Western civilization, are finding themselves increasingly out of alignment about basic things like free speech.
You've heard JD Vance talk about this, Senator Mark, or Senator, goodness gracious.
State Department is now, Marco Rubio is going after them as well and saying there's a misalignment here.
And how do we get that alignment back into a place where we can all say, hey, you know, we can actually shake hands and we're rowing in the same direction here.
So Secretary of State Rubio has a role to play here.
What are the levers that we can now push back against our friends across the Atlantic?
Right.
So as I mentioned, the Granted Act is a good lever.
We want to give individuals who are threatened by European censors a private right of action here and eliminate European sovereign immunity for lawsuits here in the United States.
So if one of these European actors decides that they want to go after an American citizen, we can say you're both that you don't have any sovereign immunity and you're personally liable.
So we can go after any of your assets in the United States.
So don't you dare.
So that's step one.
That's sort of a protective measure.
I think step two is actually a broader recognition that the European Union and its continued existence is actually antithetical to American interests.
The idea behind the European Union is to create increased bargaining leverage by European countries against the United States.
And again, if they were, if they want to be adversarial to the United States, fine, but then they should have to do without our military protection.
And so we should see, we know that the EU isn't just hostile to America.
It's also hostile to conservative countries within the European Union, the way they're hostile to Hungary, hostile to Poland, hostile to Italy, making demands of them to accept more migrants.
I think American policy and diplomatic policy should be to foster and lift up those countries that are pushing back against the European Union, to help them leave if they want to leave, to provide monetary incentives for them to leave and to make side deals with the United States.
We should have, you know, as long until the EU gets its act right and makes clear that it wants to be America's friend as opposed to America's antagonist economically, then we should go ahead and be antagonistic towards them and maybe bring Hungary and Poland and Italy and the Czech Republic into some side alliance and allow them to leave the EU.
Wow.
Blake, your reaction to that idea is a creative solution here.
I mean, I am basically happy with anything that restores real European countries that reflect real European peoples as opposed to this European Union-bloated monstrosity, which it really, I know Charlie hated the word democracy, but I'm going to apply it to Europe here.
The entire point of the European Union is to make globalist neoliberalism totally immune from actual democratic pressures.
It's entirely designed to make it so what the globalist agenda is is not able to be stopped by anyone because it's too separated, it's too immune from immediate voter pressure, and it's too complex for most people to understand.
And the time has come for us to shatter that apart.
That is the European deep state.
The European deep state is not the bureaucracy of France or Germany individually.
It's this transnational project that elites have built.
And the United States has a direct role to play in undercutting that and saying people should have a direct influence over what their countries are like.
Yeah, well said.
And I did promise this clip, so I'm going to sneak it in real quick.
104, this is President Trump thanking Charlie Kirk.
Young people are respecting this again, too.
I won the young vote.
The Republicans never win the young vote.
I won it easily.
And I want to thank Charlie and I want to thank TikTok.
And there are a lot of reasons for it.
But there's never been a Republican who won the young vote, and I won the very young vote.
So that's a good sign.
I just thought it was nice that President Trump continues to give Charlie shout outs.
It was beautiful to see, especially from our vantage point.
Connection, open dialogue.
These are the things that build communities.
Charlie, Kirk, and TikTok share in that knowledge.
That's why TikTok has built a space where that kind of listening actually happens.
People don't just post, they respond.
They build on each other's ideas.
You'll see a teacher simplifying a tough lesson so it finally clicks, or a gardener sharing a trick that saved their crop.
But what matters most isn't the video, it's what comes next.
Someone asking a question, someone else answering with a story of their own.
And suddenly, people who've never met become a community built on curiosity.
When people listen and understand, a shift happens.
Walls come down, ideas travel further, and connection, real connection, takes their place.
That's what listening does.
It reminds us that we're not as different as we may think.
And that's what makes TikTok so powerful.
It's a place where every post can turn into a conversation and every conversation can make a difference.
Portions of our program are sponsored in part by TikTok.
Will, tell us about the Article 3 project, how people can follow you, get involved with what you're doing.
Yeah, so the Article 3 project is a political advocacy project.
We do a lot of things to try and pressure Congress to essentially do the push for the Trump agenda, getting cabinet nominees confirmed, judges confirmed, or particularly focused on issues that touch in the judiciary, Article 3 and the namesake in the name would tell you that.
You can find our various projects on a3paction.com, which will give you a way to directly contact your individual senator or representative with just a few clicks.
We find that to be a very, very effective way to make your voice heard.
We know that it worked wonders, especially during the Heck Seth confirmation when it looked like his confirmation might have been on ice.
But the voice of the activists on the right and people who are willing to just send an email or two got their attention.
A3PACTION.
A3PAction.com.
And so, and yeah, that allows your viewers to immediately click and send a message directly to their senator or their representative with 30 seconds or a minute max on an issue that is pressing.
And we use that to great effect during the Hag Seth confirmation and other of the more contested Senate confirmations to make clear where the base stood on a number of issues.
And it really did a lot to sway senators and move them in the right direction.
I love this.
So if you go, it is.com, by the way, a3paction.com.
Tell Congress to impeach D.C. Obama Judge Jeb Boesberg.
Tell Colorado Governor Jared Polis to commute Tina Peters' sentence.
Tell Congress to strip Ilhan Omar of her committee assignments.
You just press take action and you can get on board with all those projects.
Okay, we got three minutes left here, Will.
We talked about birthright citizenship.
Frame up what's going to happen.
If you have to get into the legal weeds, we get it and why it's important.
Well, we're at the Supreme Court already, which is good.
And they took surgery before judgment on one of these cases, which they don't normally do, meaning the Supreme Court thinks it's really important.
Basically, progressives are trying to pretend that there's no debate here at all, that this is a really simple question about the idea that if you're born in the United States, you're a citizen unless you're like the child of diplomats or the child of an invading army.
But it's actually a little more complicated than that because the key, the decision, the case will turn on the meaning of the phrase subject to the jurisdiction of the idea being that you're not just a citizen if you're born here.
You need to be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
And there's a lot of really good authority that jurisdiction requires allegiance and it requires the permission of the sovereign to be here.
So if you're the child of a lawful permanent resident, then sure, you get citizenship.
But if you're the child of temporary visitors or legal aliens, you aren't and you shouldn't because the policy consequences of that are enormous and absurd.
There's no way that any rational country would want to have a policy like that that induces illegal immigration.
And I think it's really, you know, as much as the left wants to pretend that this is straightforward, it's anything but, and I think, honestly, I think we're going to win this one.
I think the Supreme Court's going to come down on the side of saying that, you know, you're not entitled to citizenship if you're the child of illegal aliens.
Will, you are the first person I think that we've had on this show that has sounded a vote of confidence.
Blake is not so sure, or maybe you've changed your opinion, Blake.
I don't know.
I just, I want to, I want to see it all play out.
I maybe I should be from Missouri and you know, the show-me state.
Yeah.
So, Blake, I want to see it succeed.
To be, yeah, I was going to say, to be very clear, Blake is very much of the same mind.
I just think Blake is, it is one of those weird issues where if you go back to the framing of it and the drafting of the amendment, it was clearly written for slaves.
It was clearly written for the children of slaves.
It was clearly debated.
And they even said, when you look at the debate notes in the notes from the Senate, that they were saying, of course, this wouldn't apply to foreigners and all this stuff.
I will say, I will say I've been very impressed with the Trump administration's laying out of the history of it and really getting into what its origins are.
Their argument is very impressive.
I just worry, in pragmatic terms, I just don't know if this Supreme Court, do we have five votes that would take the plunge on that?
Or are we going to have that standard thing where they say, well, people are too dependent on how it's been interpreted for a long time.
We don't like the implications of actually going back to what the law was clearly intended to be.
So we're going to wuss out on it.
And we've seen even these quite conservative-leaning courts make that decision time and time again.
So I'd be very happy if they changed course, but show me.
I've got to see it happen.
Yeah.
Will Chamberlain, Article 3 Project, Senior Counsel, thank you so much for joining us.
