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Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Thursday Night Thought Crime.
What's up, guys?
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This is great.
Blake, you were missed last week because we had a great, you know, we have a great lineup tonight.
You were here last week, and it was Tyler who's missed.
Tyler who's missed.
Oh, wait, yes, yes.
We did the Halloween debate.
It was Tyler who was missed.
Yes.
Yeah.
I can't remember what happened.
You were not here.
That was because a vampire got you.
Now I'm confused.
Blake, wait a minute.
I was here last night.
I was pro-I haven't seen Blake.
I haven't seen Blake in like a month.
Yeah.
Because he was.
Yeah, it was the two.
He was at the Vatican.
He was at the nunnery, but they kicked him out, unfortunately.
Not the Vatican.
No, he was everywhere.
Did you go to the Vatican?
Oh, yeah, he was in the tunnels.
No, I've never been to the Vatican.
He was in the Tunnels.
There's Tunnels.
It's based.
We'll go together.
It's awesome.
Can we do it?
No, Tyler.
So we had a whole thing about how apparently nobody knows what Mischief Night is if you're not from the Philadelphia area.
So have you heard of Mischief Night?
Yeah, of course.
That's an East Coast thing.
Yeah, exactly.
Thank you.
But he's apparently Devil's Night.
It's quite a heavy duty thing.
I know about it because lots of outright.
You know about it because your wife.
I know about it because my wife's from New Jersey.
There you go.
Boom.
And so Mischief Night's like a thing.
100%.
Don't we have another name for it?
You're Devil's Night.
You're Arizonan.
And you're a proud Western boy, and you have no idea what Michigan is.
In Arizona, they didn't celebrate it.
But I remember when I, because I lived in New Jersey for two years, I met my wife in junior high.
Yeah.
And then we moved back to Arizona, but she's from New Jersey.
But Mischief Night's like a big freaking deal.
You take it seriously.
It's like, it's more serious than Halloween.
100%.
And so it's crazy.
They don't make movies about Mischief Night.
Well, that's because it's local.
But what I found out after the show that no one had told me this before, that apparently my grandmom used to participate in Mischief Night.
So my aunt was telling us this story.
She was like, oh, yeah.
Like we would all go down to the cornfield and we'd get a bunch of corn and we'd shuck it and we'd get the kernels and set them up into like bags and throw them at the neighbors' houses up and down the block.
And I'm like, Nana was doing Mischief Night.
Wait, did you call her grandmom?
No, no, no.
I called her Nana.
But is that like another East Coast thing?
Grandmom?
Because we always had grandma.
I had one was grandmom and one was Nana.
I don't know.
I just saw the map for this.
This is crazy.
I wish I could drop this for you guys.
Apparently we talked about last week.
I showed that exact map last week.
Oh, you did.
Literally, it was the whole conversation.
I missed the map.
Hold on.
We have to go through it.
So we're going to get to some seriously spicy topics today, but we're going to start with EBT of TikTok.
Then we're going to get into Nicki Mondani.
No, we got to start with, we got to start with Bollywood.
Did Bollywood?
Oh, Bollywood.
Okay.
So, but we are going to talk about Tucker.
We're going to talk about Tucker because he's been in the conversation.
And everybody's asking us, well, what about Tucker?
What are your thoughts on Tucker?
And, you know, it was like, we had an election.
All right.
We're going to focus on the election.
Yep.
But we have thoughts.
And this is thought crime.
So you're going to hear him.
All right.
So then we're also going to talk about hijabs or bikini or burkini.
Burkini.
Yeah.
And we're going to talk about Mom Donnie built NYC, all this and more.
All right.
So let's get us started on the first topic.
All right.
So let's just start with the clip because so Momdani wins on Tuesday night.
And then that speech, which I know we all watched, I actually did watch it live.
But there was something at the very end of his speech that happened.
Play clip 335.
100% real.
It's apparently a song from a 2004 Bollywood movie.
There we go.
It's, Blake, I feel like this is the, the, Tyler, what could be more American than this?
Blake, I have no association with this.
I had the same amount of association with this as most of America does with Mischief Night.
Yeah, exactly.
So, but Blake, I feel like you've been making a lot of points about the third worldism of it all, right?
Like how Zoron's actual fundamental ideology is an antagonism towards the West, an antagonism towards whiteness, European-ness, whatever you want to call it.
And this song just felt like a total, I heard it and I was like, Blake's right.
Yeah, which is funny because the song is whatever.
It's like some Bollywood thing.
No, but it's very much.
It very much is that Mamdani himself does represent this, like, how to put, I can't think because it's like mind mud.
He's the literal avatar of the gimmicks.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like the Gimmigrins.
It's sort of this global ideology.
It spans ethnic groups.
It spans national origin.
To some extent, it even spans like a lot of different sub-political ideologies.
It kind of, it really is like a line.
Globalized Tifada.
So you've been talking about that.
We've been talking about it pretty much the entire campaign.
And Charlie obviously talked about it many times.
And this is what was so interesting was Zoran Mamdani talked about it when he got on stage.
And there were a lot of people, Van Jones included, who said, wow, this seems like a different Zoran Mandani.
It seems like he went full mask off.
And it's like, Van, you should just listen to us.
Andrew, I know you guys have been chatting with me.
What masks?
It's like, you guys should literally just listen to us because we called it.
And then he gets up there and he starts talking about the, was it the Ethiopian aunties and the Bengali wine cooks and the Ibuelas and the taxi driver?
And it's like, no, that's literally what the right has been saying the entire time that he was going to do.
The entire time.
And it was angry.
It was bitter.
It was resentful.
And it was just grievance politics for specific groups of people targeted against other groups.
Well, you know, it's funny.
AOC did a similar thing where she rattled off all these like minority groups.
She happened to include, I think, Irish and Italians, but it was like, it's complete fusionism.
It's complete, it's complete intersectionality.
It's let's unite the world's marginalized, as they would say, to fight Whitey.
That's essentially how I interpret it.
Is it true, by the way, that are all forks now banned in New York City?
Has that gone through?
Or does that wait until January?
Well, while we talk about it, too, don't forget that the new lieutenant governor of Virginia is also a Indian descent Muslim as well.
First statewide elected official ever.
Female first Muslim woman ever elected in the U.S. for statewide office.
Where was this?
For Virginia.
By the way, I want to play this clip from it.
It's relevant.
Play cut 275.
My family's back home in Kenya, and how I see how things are going on, like with families being separated as a human being, as a mother, separating families, especially children from their mothers or fathers.
I don't believe in that.
So that made me come out and also come and vote.
Okay, so she votes Democrats.
So we have an immigrant.
What?
That was Jersey.
Excuse me, that was Regina.
Virginia, yes.
Voted for Virginia Democrat candidate, Abigail Spanberger.
So she votes for a Democrat because she's an immigrant from, she's a Muslim immigrant from Kenya who doesn't like our immigration policies.
So then she votes for the Democrat.
And let's get in here because this is kind of what it all comes down to.
Play clip 274.
New York will remain a city of immigrants.
A city built by immigrants.
Powered by immigrants.
And as of tonight, led by an immigrant.
So this is the part that we need to get into.
And this is this of all the things here because it's a city of immigrants.
Agreed.
Powered by immigrants, at least today.
Agreed.
But was New York City built by immigrants?
Wait, do we have that picture of the famous the workers on the side, the skyscraper building New York?
They looked like exactly like that.
These are the type of guys that are listening to that music.
I want to put that picture up with that music playing because it's like, and Blake, like, just walk me through this.
Was New York City built by immigrants?
In the way that he's referring.
I mean, the Freedom Tower kind of was.
Man.
Are you talking about One World Trade Center?
Are you talking about?
Yeah, that building wouldn't exist.
Are you talking about the immigrant pilots?
Yeah, yeah.
Immigrant pilots.
The immigrant pilots of New York City.
I think, you know, we have to include all possible immigrant sources.
All the immigrant stories of, hey, we're just telling immigrant stories.
We're listening to immigrant voices, like great New York immigrants, like Muhammad Atta.
Yeah.
Wow.
Who was approved for flight school after he died?
Yeah, hey, only one flight, but it went down in history.
Yes, exactly.
He might be, in terms of time spent piloting a plane to infamy, he might be the most successful pilot of all time.
Jeez.
You know, I just... So dark.
I just...
Yeah, shit.
Is that for you or for Muhammad Atta?
So I find his speech really, really infuriating.
We have let in so many immigrants, and New York City has been the recipient of so many immigrants that it is, it no longer, we don't control it.
Americans do not control it.
And he's just, he's just spiking the football like a total jerk.
But we do.
I want to know how many illegals voted in this election.
Probably not too many, to be honest.
New Jersey, by the way, has been a lot of people.
Blake's opinion is like none.
Mine is probably like, you know, percentage.
You know, like Madison Square Guard are full.
I don't know.
Somewhere, it's somewhere in between that.
I don't know.
I just don't, I just don't think it's going to be that many.
And even if it wasn't.
Wait, how many?
If you had a guess.
What about how many?
And by the way, this is just illegals, but non-citizens.
Yeah, non-citizens and illegals.
So if you're so visas, green cards.
That's fair.
Fair.
I should have expanded out to all that.
That's what I meant.
Yes.
Non-citizens.
Yeah, I don't know.
Maybe a few hundred.
You think if only a few hundred in the entire city of New York voted for Mamdaniel?
I mean, why are they going to want to conceivably take that risk just so they can vote for Mamdani?
Because they don't care.
They don't care.
They've been told that they're full.
Totally fine.
And plus, voting for Mamdani, they're not going to want to take the British administration to come in and potentially arrest them for that.
That's the reason why they voted.
That's the reason why.
The thing about it is a lot of illegal immigrants just don't even care about U.S. elections.
That's the big thing about them.
Like, even, you know, people who just are here from foreign countries, very briefly, don't they're just not invested in American politics for the most part.
I feel like this is a great task for the civil rights division at the DOJ to identify.
I think.
Yeah, I mean, that's something you can do.
You can't do that.
Bollywood.
Send in the DOJ and feel free to indict every single person who illegally voted because who voted is a public record?
I think Harmeet Dylan is the right woman for the job.
She should move forward on identifying how many 100%.
We should arrest everyone who votes illegally.
We should indict and arrest everyone who votes illegally.
All right.
Especially because they're the sort of community that, you know, when you go after James Comey, James Comey is going to be able to have like a ton of lawyers and he's ready to like fight a big legal throwdown.
But if you're correct and thousands of people cast illegal ballots, you can totally indict a huge number of them.
And it's both expensive to try to defend all of them and it will like put the fear of God in these immigrant communities who mostly like the guy who's like the PR campaign event would be huge.
The PR campaign would be like, don't do this.
And again, even if it's hundreds, to your point, which is like, you're in like the most conservative position on that, right?
Probably.
Not like conservative, big C, but like little C.
Yeah.
Is that it's hundreds?
Hundreds of people getting in big trouble for this is a big deal.
Yeah.
So I would say go ahead and do that if that's the case, but I don't, I get, I guess I get annoyed because it's often a sort of automatic take from the right that they just assume this is happening.
And I would just say, if it is that obvious, then you can't just assume that it's not.
The automatic take from the right is that it's enough to flip the election.
I agree with your sentiment.
Probably not this election.
Not enough to flip this election.
But how many down ballot races does this type of thing end up impacting in other elections?
Before we get too far off topic, so yes, investigate it.
But I do want to get back on topic a little bit.
And guys, I want to throw a picture.
And Andrew, I want to get your sense of this.
Throw a picture 337.
These are the people.
The studio loves this with Bollywood Trinity.
Yeah, these are the guys who build America.
And no, they weren't listening to this type of music.
They might have been immigrants.
They might have been.
And certainly the people.
Here's what I want to explain, though.
They were certainly the people who built New York City and the skyscrapers.
There is a fundamental difference between the people who came as settlers, the people who came as colonists, and the people who are coming, to use Blake's phrase, as the gimmigrants, as the people who are coming to take from the society that Mamdani specifically stated was and is his political agenda, which will be the next political agenda going forward.
And I'm not gonna, by the way, if New York wasn't built by European settlers, why is it called that?
Why is it called that?
Yeah, like it's literally called New York, which and Blake, I believe York at one point was the capital of England.
It was the capital of one of the kingdoms, I think.
One of the kingdoms.
Northumbria.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But like London wasn't always the capital.
It got sacked by the Vikings and they took the king and they carved a blood eagle on him.
That was the Normans, right?
No, no, the Vikings did this is way back in like Viking age.
The Norman conquest wasn't until 1066.
Okay, the Vikings came as early in the 1700s, 700s.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, but anyways, listen, here's the deal.
My take on this is, you know, and actually, Blake, I think you circulated this.
It was a substack.
It was really interesting.
And if you really want the full picture, America was settled by mostly Anglos, right?
And there was a lot of pushback to some of the immigrant classes that came, the Poles, the Italians, the Irish, all this stuff.
And there was concern.
And actually a lot of the mystique of America being built, being a nation of immigrants came out of that wave.
And it actually changed the way the nation talked about itself.
And there was concern even about letting in those cultures.
Now, we know in retrospect they assimilated very well because they happened to be mostly European, mostly Christian.
No, even then, even then, it actually like it needed a big lift to do it.
And so what the lift was.
Well, in World War I and the aftermath, we basically quite aggressively cracked down on vestigial, non-assimilated elements of a lot of European immigrants to the U.S.
So there used to be a lot of German language newspapers, a lot of German language stuff.
Oh, that's what I was going to say.
And we had the anti-German frenzy in World War I and stamped that out.
And so, you know, I grew up in a place with a lot of Germans.
No one knows German in the Dakotas.
And then you would have people, and the British royal family actually changed their name.
They changed their name.
They were pretty fully assimilated.
But it was German.
This substack basically makes the case that it's semi-miraculous that we were able to assimilate these people because of the greatness of America, but also these huge cataclysmic events like World War I and World War II.
But it did end up creating this narrative that America is a nation of immigrants, which made way for the 19, the heart seller.
Yeah, which then gave them a foothold to say, hey, we're just a nation of immigrants, and so it doesn't matter where you're from.
Well, that's not at all how we got from point A to point B. Point A was we're Anglo, we don't want Italians and Irish and Poles.
Then it was like, well, we just defeated the Nazis and saved the Western world, so I guess they're cool now, and we're all one nation.
And everybody's like, well, we did it once, we can do it again.
But here's the thing.
That's like three standard deviations from like assimilating European Christians and Catholics to, oh, we can have somebody like Zoramandani, who's a Muslim from Uganda slash Indian descent.
Hit the song.
Hit the song.
To me, the most important thing about it is just that he ran pretty aggressively on and overtly on what you might call, you know, race communism, where he's going to say the objective of my administration is to target people who are white.
You can't leave out the fact that where did he hold his I mean, I don't know if these were rallies, but they were his last public appearances right before the election on Saturday night and Sunday night in New York City.
What were they?
Those clubs again, by the way, those clubs that he was appearing in?
ABC Club.
Yes.
That's pretty funny.
Okay, like 1 a.m. campaigning at gay clubs.
Yeah.
Here it is.
B rolls up.
This is Zoran at the gay club at 1 o'clock.
Gosh.
Yeah.
That is.
You just have it too excited.
You know, because there is voters on there.
Bring it up, but like, you know, it's an important thing where we bring up that, you know, we'll call him the, you know, foreign, the Muslim socialists, but like the Islam part is actually not a core part of his identity.
It's not part of like the way it was part of Muhammad.
Yeah, this is why calling him a jihadist is kind of washed.
But I mean, it's kind of played out.
Is that really a game?
Obviously, not.
Yes, it is.
He identifies as Muslim to the extent that he wants to show he is basically not American.
Right.
He's not American.
He's using it as an I'm not American part of his ideology.
And he says this on stage.
He's like, he's like, he's like, I am a Muslim.
And make sure you pronounce it that way.
Rob Finerdie.
It's like the old SML spit where anytime you talk about like whenever we're talking about Latin America, they suddenly have to have these weird fake accents.
No, no, no, yeah, Finner was just talking about Finnery was just talking about it.
Rob Finerty.
And I came on and I was like, I was like, ah, yeah.
We have broadcasting from Managua.
And I'm like, and he's like, you know, and it's just like, it's ridiculous.
It's completely ridiculous.
So, so yeah, that's New York City.
And I think we need to, and just to put a pin on this, because I do want to get to some of these other topics.
And we did promise a little bit of a spicy topic that we do need to fight for the story of who actually built America's cities and who actually built America's greatness.
And no, it was not like just this sort of vague all immigrants built America story.
Like that's just, it's just wrong.
And it's led to bad policy.
Exactly.
That's why I brought up that outcome.
That's why I brought up that sub stack is because we changed the myth, the story that we told ourselves as a nation after that first wave of early, it was late 19th, but mostly early 20th century wave of immigrants.
So spot on.
And when we did that, we fundamentally changed the character of the country.
Now we were able to assimilate, but listen, that is one thing.
This is entirely another.
And to just continually say to ourselves, we can keep assimilating and keep a nation, I think is a fool's errand.
But this is what, this is, when you talk about the myths that we tell, the story, reclaiming the story, this is Jennifer Welch to Mehdi Hassan at Zoron's victory party saying, you know, if it was all white people in here, it'd be boring.
And Americans have no culture except multiculturalism.
3.38.
I'm going to type something.
It was all white people here right now.
They were doing boring and s***.
I've grown up in those circles.
Everybody needs some spies and so color in their lives.
Life's a lot better.
That's the coolest thing about America.
Americans have no culture.
Well said.
And we need to teach people how their party stands.
It's actually like, that's actually a truly despicable thing.
And they say this a lot.
Yeah.
Like white people have no culture.
No, like, screw you.
I could say a stronger word here, except, you know, the spirit of Charlie would smite me.
Like, screw you for saying that.
No.
Europeans actually have a tremendous amount of culture.
Americans have a tremendous amount of culture.
To the extent that they say this, it's because like these awful people come in and like demean them, deny they like have any sort of cultural status as a way to justify dispossessing and displacing them.
Hey, guess what?
There's culture that isn't just like whatever slop you guys eat that you call like your national cuisine.
That was probably still invented by a freaking European anyway.
A lot of it was.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Chicken tikka masala.
Chicken tikka masala.
Invented in Edinburgh.
Salmon sushi invented by Norwegians.
Like it's really good.
So many of these things.
Like, oh, wow.
Like, just, it's disgusting.
It's actively disgusting.
And not the least.
Yes, it was.
Yeah.
And not the least.
I want to go to Edinburgh now.
That's what I'm saying.
But then you're not going to be able to do it.
But then it got really big in London.
Yeah.
I mean, it's just, you know, it's like they do this a lot.
Austria has the best Middle Eastern cuisine.
All right, hold on.
And beyond that, and beyond that, it's like the United States of America, the nation that gave us rock music, Hollywood, the nation that gave us Mark Twain, the nation that gave us, you know, stories like Paul Bunyan, the nation that gave us Daniel Boone, the nation that gave us Davey Crockett, the Alamo, infinity number of things.
We don't have a culture.
The nation that gave us country music.
The blues.
The blues.
Jazz.
And we just have this slug where white people don't have a culture.
No, like flip the bird to those people.
Go off.
That's King.
Absolutely, absolutely violent.
But guys.
No, it's not really a culture unless I can make some obnoxious Instagram posts about being immersed in like a different name for your grandmother.
That's like not an English word.
It's not really a culture unless you have an abuela or whatever.
So let's just look at it this guy because I know we got to segue into our spicy topics, but it's really simple as this.
We can have God bless America.
We could have God bless the USA.
Or we can have.
I thought you were going to go with like Hala Akbar or something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's really disgusting.
I mean, the amount of self-loathing that liberal white America has for itself.
4 billion people have written one song and made one movie.
But this is really simple, though.
This is just like you talk about the cities that were built in America.
The ingenuity, the actual cultures that came together to build what was initial.
They don't care about any of that.
They're just going to knock it all down and start over and replace it with.
It's the fall of Rome.
I mean, it's just like you go through these European cities, you see it like these, and again, I just brought up Austria.
Like you go to Vienna.
Vienna is a beautiful city, has a ton of historic nature to it.
But you can tell very rapidly the places that have been defaced and replaced with Middle Eastern influence that have completely rebuilt over the top.
And all the Austrians have moved out.
And those are the cultures that moved in.
And they don't care.
And obviously they're going to eliminate and eradicate all the historic elements that were there.
And that's going to be just tread underneath their feet.
New York is.
And by the way, there's way more preservation of history, in my opinion, in these European cities than America has.
America has no culture of historic preservation.
In fact, we've eradicated our own history in most cases with Gothic architecture and everything else.
Art Deco.
We have some.
Art Deco.
We have some.
No, but we've got a lot of people.
You're talking about New York City tearing down.
No, not even New York City.
I'm talking about the Midwest.
Think about some of the places in the Midwest, Kansas City.
They leveled all of the originating architecture that was there.
Chicago had a ton of this.
It was eliminated.
Milwaukee actually still has some up that you can, but like, so you can see some of this in Milwaukee.
Like when we had the RNC last year, Tanya and the kids went over to like the, it's just like the Milwaukee library.
Yeah.
And it's just this, it's like a cathedral.
It's gothic.
It's gothic.
It's amazing.
You know, we can puncture, we can like, and it's like go through the elephant in the room.
A lot of American urban culture was wiped out because we had white flight in the 60s because of the last time libs got like total cultural domination and they decided to quadruple the crime rate overnight and have riots run everywhere.
So people had to leave.
You know, when it happens in other countries, it's called ethnic cleansing when that happens.
But I guess in America, it was just like, I guess the people who left were bad because they didn't want to be murdered.
Like we've literally done an entire podcast.
Yeah, like you go to Detroit and it's just like, oh, there's all these beautiful abandoned homes and all the people just had to leave, I guess.
Yeah, so I mean I experienced this in a very small way in my hometown where, you know, ethnic whites, you know, Italian, Irish, and Polish like myself, and Section 8 came in and crime came in and then it became a sanctuary city.
Which they still want to do.
Remember, big left-wing idea.
And this is, you know, right outside Philadelphia.
And they just, you know, block busting obviously was a huge part of that.
And that's almost exactly what happened to my family, where this tight-knit, not like working class area, but tight-knit, great architecture.
Yeah, where you want to, while we're on this topic, because I think you're going to be able to do that.
The Bronx used to have one of the largest Jewish populations in the United States.
If I was king of the world, I would force America to have to, you only had three options for architectural styles.
Art Deco in the major cities, neoclassical, or Gothic.
That's colonial.
No, no, no.
You can have more.
There's other styles.
Houses?
No, those are my three.
Every town should have its Queen Anne Revival.
Those are the fun houses that have the little turrets and stuff.
But that being said, Blake's got a point, though, because you just keep importing people from parts of the world that have no care about that whatsoever.
You're just going to get the extended favala of India or like Brazil or whatever.
Rio.
If you're a listener to the Charlie Kirk show, you know that Charlie built an amazing community through conversation.
And that was online, that was in person.
It was everywhere.
We're able to go very viral about what we're able to do on TikTok.
Billions and billions of views.
But it was one connection at a time.
TikTok offers opportunities for respectful exchanges of ideas.
And through that, opportunities for community, not to talk over each other, but to talk with each other.
On TikTok, you'll find creators who teach and encourage a carpenter passing on his craft, a mom explaining how to make a budget stretch, or a gardener showing us how to bring a backyard back to life.
Different stories, but the same drive.
The desire to connect and to understand.
That's what makes a strong community.
A common desire to connect, to find a way forward through respectful dialogue, building trust and feeling heard.
Freedom to speak what we know and hear each other out.
That's the power of TikTok.
It gives everyone a seat at the table, a place to speak, to listen, and to remind each other of what connection really looks like.
Conversation build connection, and connections build communities.
We have to commit to going to the next topic here, but I will say what's interesting, and I've never thought about it.
I have thought about it, but I've never articulated it before, is that even white flight, Blake, have you ever noticed that your whole life it's been talked about as if it was like the white people's, like they get judged there for you?
Yeah, it's their white people are bad for everything.
I know it was all things are white.
So and by the way, as a great segue, when I appeared on Tucker's tour last year in Pennsylvania, he specifically asked me to tell my story.
And we did that in Reading, Pennsylvania, which was pretty much 20, 25 minutes from where I grew up.
So the whole, you know, everyone in the area is we're in the Northeast and everyone in the area knew what I was talking about and knew about these different trends and these different pressures that we were all experiencing about how we completely just blew up these communities.
And like I lived in a town where the people on my block were all the, you know, all the adults on my block were the people that my father had played with as kids when he grew up on the same block.
So like I grew up in the same house that my father grew up in and that his sisters grew up in and that we had had for, it was built in 1901.
And this was like beautiful wood architecture.
Tyler, we had stained glass sliding doors in our dining room.
That was so cool.
And that was like, I still want to go back and buy them actually because I drive by the house a lot.
And Tucker brought this up to say, hey, look, you know, this is not like an approved topic, but it's something that happened to a lot of people.
And it's like, and I've talked to like Jeremy Carl, like I've talked to Jeremy Carl about this, and he's like, I totally get where you're coming from with your politics because you just want to get your hometown back.
And that's really all it boils down to for me.
It's like they took from me some, like, I always define success as like, you know, not like the amount of dollars in my bank account or whatever.
It was just like having a nicer house in my hometown.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, that was being successful.
Yeah, the amount of cultural displacement that's happened, you know, it's interesting.
If you get a city that gentrifies, right?
A lot of money comes in.
This happened in the 90s, early 2000s because, oh, we got tough on crime.
And so investment came back in, money came back in, prices went up.
There was so much ink spilled, books written about cultural displacement for the urban minorities, right, during that time.
But when the shoe was on the other foot and white communities get displaced because of crime that is expanding outward into white neighborhoods or ethnic white neighborhoods like you grew up in Philly, there's zero compassion on that cultural experience.
There's zero acknowledgement that bad policy has led to more violent neighborhoods and run down degraded neighborhoods.
And I think it's a shame.
But anyways, Tucker Carlson.
Tucker.
And so Tucker, so yeah, I'll set the stage.
And look, you know, that was kind of my segue point was that of all the things that, you know, I was expecting to talk about on, you know, on a live, it was a live podcast, but also a live show, a huge stadium, Santander Arena in Redding, absolutely sold out.
And Tucker's like, I just want you to talk about your hometown.
I'm like, really?
Okay, sure.
You know, and so I did.
And so getting into the Tucker question, you know, I think that's what Tucker is all about.
And he's obviously, you know, always wants to get in, find new stories and find new things to talk about.
And he obviously has been no stranger to controversy.
And he has had a lot of controversy this week, or I should say there's been controversy about him because of a particular interview.
He had Nick Fuentes on a couple, I guess it's a couple of weeks ago at this point, or it was last week.
I'm not sure exactly, recently.
And a lot of people have been saying, should he have had him on?
Is he ruining the world?
Is the sky falling because he did an interview?
Tucker's had obviously people who were considered controversial before.
He's had Vladimir Putin on.
He's had, I think, Lavrov on as well.
He's in just kind of his job.
So, you know, this was going around and a lot of people were saying, oh, you guys got a comment.
You guys got a comment.
And I was like, no, there's an election, actually.
I'm going to focus on that.
We should probably explain to people what we're not going to ruin.
But no, no, well, this is my setup to say, okay, but now the election is over.
And so let's talk about it.
So Blake, you.
What are we talking about?
So Blake, as a former, you know, what is the thought crime statement?
No, no, not even what is the thought crime statement, but like, I'm not sure everyone even knows what we're referring to with Tucker.
Why don't you explain it, Blake?
Well, I just mentioned that.
I've got to explain that.
Wouldn't you?
You're good at explaining that.
How about Tyler explains it?
Wait.
Tyler.
Wait, is there something that's there?
I'm not.
I'm not sure if it's a good idea.
I'm not prepared for this topic.
No, I'm serious.
Is there something other than him having Nick on?
Well, it's the way that the interview was conducted.
I will tell you that.
That's part of it, right?
That's part of it.
A lot of people.
A lot of people are upset.
So just for those who aren't paying attention, Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson had Nicholas Fuentes on his show.
He had him out to Maine.
Obviously, Fuentes had a quite long and one-sided obsession with our boss, I believe, or our late boss.
And so that's colored it a lot.
And it's also just colored other ways.
So it's actually, for those who aren't following it online, it's had this sort of thunderous aftermath.
We've had background here with that to lean into that.
I mean, the reality is Nick has a bunch of followers that they call themselves Groipers.
They largely are young men.
If we could say that.
It's not all men, but it's largely young men.
Many have had some kind of interaction with Turning Point in a negative way.
And in most cases, I would say, do not feel warmly invited mainly around the Israel issue because Turning Point historically has been a pro-Israel organization.
And a lot of these young men, their single issue, if you can say there's a single issue, is their distrust or just outright hatred for the state of Israel.
And then you have a number of other layered things on top of that, which are some issues on race.
Well, I mean, things like that.
Nick has been vitriolic towards Charlie.
He's been very open about it.
He's said nasty things about Erica.
He's been really nasty about, yeah, Israel.
He's been nasty to Tucker, actually.
They've gotten to their own spat.
And I think people were expecting NJD.
I think they were expecting this to be a much more contentious interview.
Is one of the main things.
I wasn't expecting that because it's just not what Tucker would do.
I wanted to pull up.
I know we didn't pull up your clips, but I know Charlie wasn't talked about a lot, but I do think they mentioned him a little bit in the other thing that caused a lot of pushback.
And I do want to make this clear.
There was a lot of pushback because Tucker said essentially that he just, I think the exact quote was he despised Christian Zionist.
And then so that was a huge, a huge bone of contention for the evangelical community, especially the dispensationalists that believe that the current nation state of Israel is prophetically foretold of in scriptures and that they do represent sort of a very important prophetic timeline piece, the current nation state of Israel to God's ultimate plan for humanity, right?
So you've got this whole dynamic going on.
I want to say that Tucker ended up going on Dave Smith's podcast and walked that back, that he despises Christian Zionists.
He just walked it back.
He apologized.
He apologized.
He said, I apologize.
What I was upset about.
What he said was he was upset that there was bombings of Christian churches in Gaza and that people did not apologize, that he feels they were intentional.
And obviously Israel.
I think he said that he, like, I'm not taking either side.
I'm just trying to quote it.
That he was saying that he thought that Christian leaders weren't outspoken about that enough.
Yeah, and I think I have the exact quote.
It says, but at the same time, he did fully apologize.
I said, I really regret saying that.
I didn't fully mean it.
I said it because I was mad, which is when I say I don't really mean when I get pissed.
My wife's always telling me this.
I was snippy and I didn't explain it.
And I said something to the effect that I despise Christian Zionists.
And I'm just sorry that I said that because I was just mad at a certain kind of thinking.
Some of the nicest people I know are Christian Zionists, actually.
You know, if you're in a car crash, they would save you.
If you needed someone to watch your bank account, they wouldn't steal from you.
They're like really good people and sweet people.
So he tried to do it.
And then he clarifies that he was upset about the church bombings in Gaza, that more Christian leaders weren't calling it out.
Yeah.
So, I mean, Blake, I think you said it really well.
And I hate to keep putting you on the spot here, but You have a history with Tucker, and that's why I think there's, you know, I don't want to say you're being cynical or something, but you're just, you didn't have high hopes for it.
No, so it's like, I mean, when you watch it, you kind of, it basically went as I about expected it to.
It wasn't 100% friendly.
He does, if you watch the whole interview, it's about two hours long, I think.
He does at some point, you know, he questions Nick, like, okay, you seem to sort of have a somewhat hate-based ideology, or like he kind of paints entire groups all the same way.
And, you know, he pushes him a bit on that.
But at the same time, it's Nick.
He has a pretty long history.
He's been online a long time.
There's a lot of clips, as they might say.
And you don't need to like nitpick every single thing because it is true.
Some of what he says is clearly just attempting to be transgressive, comedic, funny.
Actually, some of the wildest stuff people obsess about when he says like he loves Hitler or whatever.
A lot of that is even in that vein.
But there's still a lot of stuff that you could talk about.
So you're having Nick Fuentes on, who, among other things, is famous for this long-running feud with Charlie Kirk.
Well, Nick Fuentes, within the past month, basically said, you know, everyone's thinking this, you know, Erica Kirk looks extremely happy that her husband's dead.
This is what everyone's thinking.
Everyone's talking about it.
Okay.
I know Erica.
I don't think she's happy that her husband died.
I think that's a pretty, I think that's a pretty hurtful thing.
That's a terrible thing to say.
I think that's a hurtful thing to say.
And I'm a little disappointed Tucker didn't bring that up or push him on that.
You know, why did you say that, Nick?
Why did you say that about a woman whose husband was just murdered?
Why did you?
And I think he just didn't, he didn't ask about that.
He didn't ask about some of the stuff he said about JD Vance.
And I think more broadly, he let, especially in the early part, he definitely just seeded the stage for Nick to give his narrative of his life, where basically I'm just a normal America-first guy, and then the Jews just were constantly messing with me and sabotaging me, whether it was Ben Shapiro or various other people, which several of those people came out and said his narrative was a misleading, self-aggrandizing lie.
I don't know the truth about it.
I'm not obsessed with his history.
But he basically just kind of let him tell that.
And it's clear Tucker approved of that narrative.
That basically he was buying into, oh, yeah, those darn Jews just came in and messed with Nick because he, you know, wanted to have America-first foreign policy.
Okay, I think there's probably a few other things he did that made people not like Nick.
Or dig into, okay, Nick, you have a lot of burned former colleagues who don't like you for this reason.
There's like weird things where people say he has like a lot of associations with like outright sex predators and stuff.
You could get into a lot of that.
You could get into the Stalin clip.
Yeah, or the Stalin thing.
He just says, he kind of throws out like, oh, I love Stalin.
The Stalin thing.
Why don't we pause and pick at that?
You know, Tucker, you picked at Ted Cruz because he didn't know enough super abusive.
He didn't know enough facts about Iran.
Could we pick up Nicola Fuentes for saying he loves a guy who killed tens of millions of people, possibly?
Millions of Christians, including them?
I mean, we care about the fate of Christians here.
Or do they only matter when they're in Gaza?
The Stalin thing really bothered me because I think that accentuated that there was like an overlooking of like it created.
The look of the scene, when it happens, is that he had an environment where he wanted to only mildly question Fuentes and then he was caught off guard when Fuentes said something that was really freaking bad and he's like I listened to the whole.
I listened to the whole uh, both this interview and when Tucker was on Dave Smith and and I think Tucker also mentions this on Dave Smith and just, and he I'm trying to remember this from memory but he sort of said like I was caught so off guard that I wish I had said something and and that he didn't.
So he did actually yeah, but we've all seen Tucker on yeah yeah no, I'm not disputing that, I'm just saying that's.
We've.
Seen Tucker and again, maybe his frame of mind was he was being his friend.
I can totally buy that his frame of mind is like he's giving this guy a shot and he really believes he's extremely talented and that maybe his outreach can guide him to a better, more tucker like version of Nick Fuentes.
And honestly, you know, I hate even spending this this much time on on it, but I, and there's a part of me that thinks that that was like his goal and I'm not agreeing with that.
I'm just saying I think that that that was kind of the goal, like a big brother, because because of that whole stalin situation and again I'm not, I'm not saying that's okay, I'm not saying that like that's what I would have done.
Charlie wouldn't have done that right, like you want the Tucker, who's like excuse me Stalin yeah, like what?
Yeah, what are you talking about really?
Like a guy who kills tens of millions of people, including millions of Christians.
Like how could, how could Christian priests, how could your, how could your ideological centering be around Stalin and explain that to us?
Like where the point you come from?
Because I think actually that epitomizes and I think if if, if the guy was here right now, he would tell you the same thing.
Part of his ideology is he agrees with an authoritarian, you know, slightly communist version of whatever his current worldview is, and that's part of the reason why he thinks so greatly of him.
And and again, that and again.
I know that that's not, that's not Tucker's worldview, I know that that's not his position.
We know Tucker and I actually do buy that.
He was probably so caught off guard by that and his headspace was in another place entirely, probably what you were saying that he was trying to, but it shows that he doesn't really know who this guy is and what that that movement is.
We've gotten to know that movement and again, like we know, they exist in the aura of whatever right, but we totally disagree with like the whole.
There's a whole communist faction that's underlying, with a lot of these guys that are outright communists, that think that like, the 1917 revolution's great and we saw elements of this come out which, by the way, um uh, what's his name?
And, by the way, that's Hassan Piker, said that at the Mondani um uh victory party.
was talking about how he actually said i wish the united states had not defeated the soviet union and so we i do this horseshoe theory although i don't i don't think that all kids realize they're signing up for that when they follow these guys And again, I think that there's an element here where maybe like maybe Tucker's not totally aware of that existence, but I think he is now.
I think people should be now.
They should be aware that there's a whole communist angle to that entire movement that we totally disagree with, and that there's nothing there that you could possibly ever commend.
Well, and I do.
And that's just the reality of it for me, like ideologically, is that I mean, I studied, I mean, that's our connection.
I studied Soviet-era politics.
There is so much intrinsically evil in communist ideology that it to me, it's like kind of messing with ghosts.
Yeah, it's like, was that a joke?
It's like messing with the Ouija word too.
Do you really mean that?
It's like you messing with communist ideologies, like messing with the Ouija.
Because it's a hard signal.
In the interest of just fairness, so the only time that I think Charlie came up at all a few times, which were a few times, three or four times in it, and I'm going through the transcript right now.
You know, it's them speaking out against violence.
It's Nick saying that never should have happened, that Charlie was a conservative guy, relative moderate.
He's not a politician.
You know, he got shot, and then 100,000 liberals went on TikTok and celebrated.
And then how can you, you know, integrate or harmonize with that?
So, I mean, he was talking about violence, which is Nick.
And then, so you hear, you know, so it which does make the Salin thing, like, you're like, wait, what?
Does that mean?
And he even said that they actually had a really good part where they were talking about, and I say good in relative terms, but I thought it was good that this narrative got out that when they were talking about Tyler Robinson and talking about some of these new revelations, which we haven't even done on Thought Crime yet, of the Discord messages and some of the, like, the, there's like this leaker now in the Tyler Robinson friend group.
I've got to get that leak.
And they mentioned this.
So they're mentioning the LSD use.
They're mentioning the weed use, the drug use, the Discords, the chat GPT obsession of the roommate in this.
This is the transgender boyfriend in all of it.
And so they, you know, it wasn't like a long time they were talking about it.
But what did he say?
So I got the transcript again here.
You know, this psychoactive substances, make-believe reality of the internet, totally disconnected from the real world.
And I think they enter into this delusional state.
I think that's where the shooter in Minneapolis, I think that if Tyler Robinson is found guilty, there's these interesting screenshots about him and his transgender boyfriend.
It's the same story there.
If that's true, I'd imagine it's not dissimilar with the guy who showed up.
And, you know, and he's talking about the time there was a guy who tried to, you know, allegedly try to kill Nick as well, was, you know, was in kind of one of these like almost fugue states and was talking.
So they were talking about political violence, right?
They were talking about political violence and being extremely against it.
And, you know, obviously that's what makes the Stalin comment weird, but that was the only time they brought up Charlie directly in the whole interview.
Yeah.
Well, listen, yeah.
I mean, sorry, were you?
Okay, good.
I'm not, I'm not cutting anybody off.
Listen, I just want to point out that they did actually discuss Tyler Robinson kind of in depth.
Yeah, and I just want to say something as well, though, too, is that and we should talk more about that because the radicalization elements and the drug use and this leaker is like actually a big development.
But I would say that, you know, here, you know, I saw a lot of people like on social media basically sharing a speaker graphic from before Charlie even died of Amphest.
It was the Amphest one, yeah.
Yeah.
Charlie's Tuck one.
With Tucker and Charlie still on it.
And everybody's like, you know, all these people that now hate Tucker are like, you're disgraced.
What you have done, what you've done is disgrace.
And I'm like, you, how are we disgracing Charlie's?
This is Charlie's graphic that he published when he was alive.
And you're acting like we've somehow done something to disgrace Charlie.
And I will tell you one other thing, though.
Charlie, I'm sure, would have been disappointed with aspects of that interview, probably that it even happened, okay?
But I will tell you this.
If you put Charlie against a corner and you tried to back him up against a wall, he would defy any moral blackmail that you can imagine.
It was the one thing that I saw time and time and time again from Charlie, especially in the last couple of years.
Like when you tried to coerce him or control him or emotionally manipulate him, like he would have defied the heck out of you just to defy you and not be controlled by you.
100%.
And I cannot reiterate what Andrew is saying enough.
And I know we all agree with this, but I just want to reiterate this.
I don't always agree with anyone.
I mean, you get married to people.
You don't always agree with them, right?
Like you're clearly not always going to agree with everything that comes out of Tucker's mouth.
We don't agree with everything that comes out of everyone's mouth that we invite to America Fest and that speak or that work with us.
That doesn't mean that they're not, they still can't be your friend.
And Tucker was a friend to Charlie.
Charlie was a friend to Tucker.
And, you know, where it goes from here, you know, Tucker could change his entire mantra and everything else, right?
But there is still always going to exist a friendship and a memory that exists with those two gentlemen.
And we are way too close to the death of Charlie Kirk to be flying off the handle and making preconceived conceived notions about people and where their head's at.
And again, that's not to say that you're not going to disagree with him more later on or you're not going to, or that you're always going to be in the same place that you were the day that Charlie was taken off this earth.
It was taken from us.
But you're always going to have that same bond that exists there and that respect that everyone should have, mutually respecting anyone that loved Charlie that much and that Charlie loved equally.
Because again, Blake's worked for the man has vocally disagreed with him in this segment that we're talking about.
He could still have all that existing.
I think you're the only one who worked for both, actually.
And I want to say this is just, and this finished with this is just to honor Charlie's life by honoring that relationship.
And that doesn't necessarily mean you have to agree.
We've gotten questions.
We get emails about this and I respond to some of them where I just say, like, I mean, Charlie faced a lot of pressure to deplatform Tucker a lot.
And he consistently pushed back on that.
And I don't know how Charlie would have reacted to this Nick interview in this world where it happens while he's still around, which could plausibly have happened, I think.
I don't know how he'd have reacted to that, but we know how he responded to other things that made people pressure him.
And I'll be honest, I think Charlie probably would not have liked this interview that Tucker did.
I think he was quite annoyed with it.
He would have been annoyed with it on several levels.
There's actually really no doubt about it.
Yeah, basically, he would have been really upset about it.
Yeah, we would have been annoyed that it happened, but more annoyed at the nature of how it unfolded.
Less so that it happened, probably, than the tone and tenor of it.
Yeah, exactly.
But then the question is, the second aspect of this is, would it have risen to the level of what all of these, you know, this caterwalling cacophony of whatever, you know, Greek choir saying, now turning point must do this.
No, exactly.
So this is what I want to.
This is a good point because it kind of reminds me of the underlying issue itself, which is Israel.
And I say this time and again.
It's like the world wants to force you into one of two buckets.
Pro or anti.
In my opinion, there is about a hundred iterations between those two polar extremes.
And yes, I think I expressed this the first time we talked about it, Blake.
You could be disappointed in the way somebody talks about it, but to or conducts an interview.
But to Tyler's point, while respecting the relationship and the friendship that is authentic, and by the way, I have a friendship with Tucker.
I'm sure many of us do.
And it's like, you know, I have a personal, you know, friendship with him.
I actually really like the guy on a personal level.
And so you got to contend with that.
And beyond that is to understand that we, exactly, Tyler, Charlie has barely been gone from us.
And to think that we are in a position where that feels morally right to sort of upset the apple cart and change something that was so fundamental and so publicly expressed multiple times and privately expressed about these are his wishes.
This is his organization.
He built this.
And if somebody thinks that you're going to emotionally coerce us or morally blackmail us to do something, especially this soon afterwards, like, you know, go pound sand, honestly.
And we're all sitting there.
But look where we are.
But here's the thing.
I also love those people that are frustrated about that.
And so it's like, listen, we are, when the whole movement is fighting against itself, then we're not going to win elections.
We're not going to be focused on taking ground or taking territory.
It's just going to be all some giant distraction.
And I reject the premise in a general sense.
No, I was just going to say, I mean, guys, let's zoom out for a second.
We know where we are.
Look where we're sitting right now.
This is the Charlie Kirk studio.
This is the Charlie Kirk chair.
It's the Bitcoin.com Charlie Kirk's studio.
Hey.
Got to get back to that.
But no, it's Charlie's chair.
And we leave the chair empty for a reason.
We leave the chair empty out of honor for our friend.
And that's the reason that it's there.
And what was it?
Not even two months yet?
It's not even two months.
And we're sitting here going through all of this.
And then people are coming in trying to make demands and trying to make people say, oh, you know, this is about, you know, this is about what are you going to do?
It's like, well, how about we're just going to honor Charlie's wishes?
How about, yeah, how about you?
How about we're going to do that?
No, not even that.
We're just going to do our best to try our best.
Unless it's curious because it's like, that's what, that's the world in which we're living in right now.
It's like everyone literally just trying to do their best to not speak for Charlie.
You know, you just don't do that to the dead.
You don't do that to those who have moved on.
That's right.
You try to live up to the standard that they left the expectations that you know that he had for you and that you have for yourself.
By the way, how about this?
How about you pick up a phone and you call people instead of trying to just tweeting at them or even get or even better, get to work, do something productive.
That's what I've said back to myself.
It's like, do something productive.
But here's the thing.
Again, I had this old pastor friend.
He actually married my wife and I at our wedding.
But he used to say, the meaning of life is relationship.
Relationship with God, relationship with one another.
And I so believe that, actually, because, you know, and when we talk about this, we're talking about it in the context of, like I said, I have a friendship with Tucker.
Charlie has a friendship with had a friendship with Tucker.
Jack, you have a friendship with Tucker.
Blake, you have a friendship.
That has not precluded any of us to say, wish the interview would have maybe been a little bit different.
But the point is, is that these things are done in the context of a relationship.
And we also like, forgive us our trespasses, you know, Lord, you know, as we forgive those who trespass against us.
But forgive us first.
Yeah, and by the way, and by the way, like, I don't have a relationship with Nick Fuentes.
I've never met the guy.
So, and by the way, it's always been contentious, but I do have one with some of these people that we're talking about.
And that means something to me.
So, listen, and by the way, that means something to me when I'm talking about some of the evangelicals that are upset or some of the Jewish friends that are upset.
I get it.
This is contentious stuff.
But, like, instead of just going for the, you know, you can't even say that.
Can't even say it.
I know.
I was about to say that.
And it's like, oh, right.
Go in for the clickbait.
Clickbait.
Instead of going for cheap clicks or blowing up relationships or blowing up coalitions, I talked about this all the time with Charlie.
And actually, I didn't talk about it all the time.
It became a very, very important conversation probably two weeks before he died.
Charlie and I had like an hour-long conversation about this.
I'll never forget it.
And it was based off of a bunch of texts we sent back and forth to each other.
And then we talked about it.
And it was basically putting a hierarchy of the virtues as the Greeks had them.
And he was basically saying, listen, anybody can tear down.
Anybody can be an ankle biter.
Anybody for performative clickbait measures, just say crazy stuff.
Okay.
And but what is much rarer in the higher of the virtues is being a philosopher, being a statesman, being a coalition builder.
And he was very, very clear that the mission of Turning Point is to not be ankle biters, not to be performative social media artists, is none of that stuff.
It's to be coalition builders and statesmen and philosophers.
And by God's grace, we are going to pursue that mission on Charlie's behalf and on Turning Point's behalf and for the country's behalf because listen, like there's a lot of people that want to tear each other down.
And I'm just like, again, I'm going to say it.
I'm going to reject the premise.
I'm rejecting the premise.
And we're going to try and keep the darned coalition together if it's the last darn thing any of us do.
And there's something that Tyler said that it just has to be brought up, the timing of this, is they launched all of this at the time we were having an election.
At the time that we were having a contentious election, a couple of key races.
So we just talked about Mamdani in New York City.
We just talked about Jersey.
Well, I mean, we've been talking about Jersey.
We've been talking about Virginia, et cetera.
Jay Jones, by the way, talking about political violence, right?
What is it, 1.5 million people just voted for a guy who said he wants to kill our kids?
So that's, yeah, that's great.
So we're supposed to unite with those people now.
We're supposed to harmonize with them.
And all of these people spent their time infighting, spent their time ankle biting, attacking, you know, attacking one another and doing this infighting.
What were they not doing?
Talking to their followers about going out and getting involved in the race.
Some were talking about that.
Some were telling their followers to actively not vote.
It's just like, it's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
And guys, we've seen this before.
I mean, we've been tracking this for a long time.
We just went through an entire election cycle where there are people that were adjacent.
I'm not going to say grapers in total and totality here, but adjacent to Roypers.
But there were many of these people too that were Nick followers who were telling people actively not to vote.
This is not a new thing.
This is, and it's weird.
It's not weird to me.
Everything happens for a reason.
But isn't it weird that this happened just a few weeks before this election?
I mean, I'm just going to tell you, I'm not going to be the conspiracy theorist here, but I do believe there's a lot of funding and a lot of pushing and pulling.
And some of this is organic.
Some of it is not organic, where there is actual pushing to try to harm Republicans in elections, leading up to elections on this stuff.
I don't disagree.
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I want to at least play the EBT videos.
Yeah, let's do EBT.
We got to do EBT.
EBT, like, that's a fan favorite, too, by the way.
This has been one that we've been talking about doing for a long time, a topic that we wanted to hit.
You should drive.
You should drive EBT.
So, Blake, what is EBTs of TikTok?
So, obviously, we already have Libs of TikTok.
Chaya Raychik was a big pioneer of highlighting.
However, you say it.
I don't know these names.
Yeah, anyway.
So, Haya, Haya, whatever.
It's like Chanika.
Chanika.
Look, I don't, I'm not from New York to the Middle East.
Anyway.
It's Hebrew, right?
Chanika.
All right, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Anyway, she pioneered people will post shockingly bad videos of themselves on TikTok being insane.
And also, just social media has been great.
I think people have learned a lot about the true nature of like crime in America just from social media.
They've learned a lot about what life is really like in a lot of parts of American society they're not a part of.
And what we've had with the freak out over SNAP funding, over EBT possibly being, well, I guess actually being suspended now with the government shutdown ongoing is people have gotten a direct encounter with how some Americans who are on government programs basically relate to these government programs.
Both, you know, SNAP supplementary nutritional assistance program, the idea, you know, food stamps, the idea, you know, you're using these to get what you need to survive.
And what people are learning is there's a lot of people who are on SNAP who don't work and don't really want to work and feel entitled to not work.
There are people who have figured out the not exceptionally difficult task of converting food stamps into literally anything else you want to buy stamps and all of that.
And we have amazing clips of them doing this.
And they're on TikTok.
And then they're uploaded to Twitch so that those of us who aren't on TikTok are too much.
To your point, though, by the way, this isn't just something we're talking about because this is something that Charlie talked about.
Let's play clip 323.
The number one objective of any social welfare program should be how do we keep the family together and put dads back in the family.
Unfortunately, in the black community, dads are the most absent of any community.
About two-thirds of all black youth will be raised without a stable father around.
And I know it's crazy, right?
And that little precious angel of yours deserves to have a father around.
And unfortunately, as we've removed dads from families, government has come in and has taken the place.
So some people need help and they need social assistance.
All of that should be about incentivizing the dad staying around, not the dad leaving.
Okay, that was Charlie.
Now we have the video.
Contrast Charlie B. Jar.
That's Charlie telling us what we should want in like a country that has, of course, our Christian values and we don't want people to be left behind, et cetera.
We all agree with that.
So let's go see the people now that have been using Snap Benefits and EBT brought to us courtesy of EBTs of TikTok.
Blake, let's do man.
There's so many of these and I actually haven't watched most of them yet.
How about we just go with let's just go in order 327.
Let's do 327.
Yeah.
So you just can't get your hair done this month.
You can't get your nails done this month.
And them lashes that you have a little like windshield wipers.
Yeah, you got to try to glue them on yourself so you can feed them little raggedy kids of y'all.
That's right.
That's right.
But that's just being responsible.
That's them responsible.
But when you do that, bring your ID because then I'm going to be seeing the real you.
And I've never seen the real you.
So I can know who you are.
So I'm going to have some ID because I'm a car because I'm like all that I don't know y'all.
I don't know none of y'all because I'm not caring two people today.
They're like, Miss V, it's me.
Like, who the are you?
Talisha.
Oh, that's the real you.
So I can't tell.
Is she on EBT or she's making fun of people who are?
making fun of them i think we book her on the show do we have some i want the people yeah 328 And I just really want to know why these restaurants and why these supermarkets aren't giving out free food during this government shutdown.
Like, they have food to spare.
Very obviously, they have food to spare.
They have food that they could give away to people that's affected by this government shutdown.
Then when are stealing?
Then it's going to be an issue.
I really don't get why these companies aren't doing more to help during this government shutdown.
It's really, it's really doing something to me.
It's really, really doing something to me.
I'm going to skip this.
3-2-1.
And people are going to start.
I'm telling you, this is going to be a thing.
People are going to start, instead of stealing groceries from the stores, they're going to start watching people go to their cars and they're going to take all of their groceries.
And you know what the store are going to do?
Not our problem.
Oh my gosh.
So instead of stealing straight from the grocery stores, people are going to start to parking lots.
The parking lot.
Which, by the way, that gets us back to the shopping cart theory.
Oh, no.
Yes.
I had some brutal shopping cart moments.
You have moments of shopping carts?
No, like I was like.
Does everyone remember?
You guys remember the shopping cart theory?
The cultural.
The citizen puts back the cart.
The citizen puts back the cart.
Have you seen the guy that goes around and he slaps magnets on their doors when they don't put their cart?
Yeah, he's like, he's like shaming them.
Yeah, he shames.
Just some bad magnets.
I've seen some brutal cart abandonment in some grocery stores lately.
Like in the Phoenix area here?
Yeah, in the Phoenix area.
So this guy does videos and he goes around and he's the cart police or he calls him something.
And so he waits and they when they don't put their car away, it's like a big magnet and he slaps down their car when they're driving away.
This is like the should put your cart away and people get this is like a more heroic guys.
It's like those guys who are just sticks in their car that just says like you you are a like it's like basically a bad citizen for not putting your cart away.
Amazing.
And they get out of the car and they start screaming like every time.
Like everyone.
What if they worked that hard at being a human being?
No, they spend more energy yelling at this guy than they put in the car away.
And he just runs away from it's not even like citizenship versus non-citizen.
It's like if you do not put the cart away, you are no better than a mere beast.
Wait, there's what separates us from the animals.
Wait, guys, there's another clip here.
It says, so 321 is like double printed on the clip sheet, but there's one that says complain someone's complaining about having to use their own money.
That's 331.
Okay, let's hit it.
Hit that one.
Yeah, them people really didn't give us our stamps.
It's like day two.
You know what I'm saying?
I get my on the first.
You know what I mean?
I'm first that I'm hot around.
This is but it's the second, and I just went to go peek.
And I'm like, you know, maybe they would have gave a little sprinkle, sprinkle.
My bad.
I ain't got no yamps.
I just spent cash money on five items at the store.
Mind you, it was only $20, but I still got bills to pay.
I still got my bills to pay.
I'm not trying to spend it on that I'm supposed to be getting food stamps for it.
Quit playing with me.
Like, what the apparently only about one-third of food stamp houses have children.
And part of that is that there's more elderly people on food stamps.
Yeah.
So there's part of that, but I think there is also just we kind of have a robust pool of Americans who don't really want to work, I guess, or try to work.
Well, this is the whole thing with, and you see this with the Obamacare subsidies and healthcare, too.
Once you put subsidies in an economy into a marketplace, removing those is almost impossible.
It's like an atrocity.
People adjust their spending habits to this new reality, right?
So if they're entitled and their sense of entitlement.
Yeah, but they've gotten a more expensive place to rent or they've got more subscriptions per month or their new TVs or whatever the thing is that their monthly budget now.
So you can't pull it back without them feeling like the government and the Republicans and Trump are hurting me.
This is essentially what it is.
And it's rough because you can basically eventually, you know, eventually you actually go broke and the whole thing falls apart.
It's something.
And there's so many different versions.
And we should be clear: there's versions of this.
We can talk about Snap here, but there's also a ton of people.
It's like a way of life to get on Social Security disability that you don't need to be elderly for.
You get yourself basically classed as disabled.
You live on whatever they pay out to you, which doesn't have to be that much.
But if you, you know, live with a family member and you're okay not doing much with your life, you can make 15K go pretty far.
And so there's people who live on that.
There's, especially in like states like California or New York, there's all these additional state programs you can milk along.
Oh, yeah.
And by the way, I'll never forget.
So I actually are in California, had our daughter.
So, and a guy that apparently, I didn't realize this.
So he was one of the workers that was working next door on a construction, so on a house, a renovation next door.
And I would see him kind of because this renovation went on for like six months.
So I would see him next door.
I'd say, hey, you know, here and there.
Anyway, so we're at the hospital and we have our kid.
And down the hall is this Mexican dude who doesn't really speak much English, also at the hospital having his own kid.
And so my wife, knowing that these guys are, you know, probably a little bit poor, she said, you should go offer to buy them like some meals or something like that.
We should be good neighbors, right?
So I go out and I start talking to this guy because my wife thinks I speak really good Spanish.
I lived in Spain and college just study abroad.
So I start talking to him and I say, hey, Andrew song, hit the Andrew song.
Are you guys doing okay?
Can we help you?
My wife wants to help since we saw you at the hospital.
And the guy goes, oh, no, no.
Like my wife's an American citizen, but since I'm like an immigrant, that the state of California has paid for all of our hospital bills and they've given us a monthly stipend.
And so like we're doing great.
My wife took care of all of it.
And I was like, so wait, there's this immigrant here that's here illegally apparently, but he's married to an American.
So it's like it's pretty, you know, this was their first kid, right?
And it all happened.
Yes.
Yes.
And that's my Andrew theme.
I love that that's the Andrew theme.
So this guy, he's getting all these government subsidies and benefits for simply having a kid and being an illegal.
And, you know, and here we are trying to do a good Christian thing, trying to help him out.
And my tax dollars were already going to this gentleman and his newborn American citizen kid.
It was pretty shocking, actually, because I just thought, you know, that's kind of frustrating.
Pretty frustrating that our labor and our toil is going to this guy.
He's a nice guy, whatever.
It's just, but the whole system's pretty frustrating like that, Blake.
It's just.
You articulate it well.
Sometimes they'll just do like the two Americas thing.
And there is, there's a lot of people in America who kind of like it's become a lifestyle to find different ways of being on the dole.
And it's like people don't even occur, like obvious things.
So you can like people will take like there's a pretty well-developed economy for swapping SNAP, swapping EBT benefits for monetary equivalent things at, you know, some small rate of depreciation on it.
And, or like underground economies for selling shoplifted goods.
There's places where it's just routine, like, oh, I can get this good cheaper because someone is going to shoplift it for me.
People will make requests.
They'll make requests for something to be shoplifted for them and then they'll buy it more cheaply.
And there's this whole, you know, in the kind of the underclass of American life where this happens.
And having a nicer country, you can't just write off the underclass because everything's on a spectrum.
How nice your city is to live in is heavily dependent on how quality or low quality like your bottom 5% of people are.
Are they just, you know, do they have lower end jobs or do they have no jobs at all?
Are they basically like, are the criminal people locked up or are they kind of allowed to roam freely and detach people?
All of these things make a difference in how quality your life is.
And, you know, the SNAP EBT stuff does matter.
It matters a lot whether people on the lower end are purely kind of just living off government money or if they are working some kind of job.
Well, and then in the vein of that, let's play Clip 329.
It's so crazy that the president have a felony.
Your baby daddy had a felony, but he can't have no job.
And that's how people got to be on food stamps because baby daddy can't get no job because he got felonies and that requires you to go get on food stamps, right?
Wait, felons?
Wait, felons can get food stamps?
I'm sure.
Well, she's getting the food stamps.
Her baby.
She was getting them.
She's saying that her baby daddy can't get a job or some hypothetical baby daddy.
I'm not sure if it was hers specifically.
But lots of.
Well, we saw this after COVID because COVID is just all subsidies galore.
And by the way, that was another feeding frenzy thing where it was, oh, we'll help your small business.
And it pretty quickly, the word got around of no one's seriously checking this.
Make your super basic business that's a limo service or something, some sort of job that's like easy to have one employee in.
And you can get $10,000 and it'll be written off later.
Some of these guys are.
And we see this in other things.
Immigration is so full of that.
The word got out circa 2020 again with TikTok and everything.
Do these things and you can get past the Border Patrol in the U.S. You know, say you're under 18, even if you're over.
We have tons of accounts of 30-year-olds ending up in high schools.
You know, you can say one of these five stories will make you have a credible asylum claim, and then you'll get a court hearing.
It'll be a while from now, and no one will follow up if you don't show up to it.
So the word gets out on how to exploit the system.
And in far too many things, we have a system that was basically the honor system.
And, you know, it might have worked when honor had a lot of currency in America, and now it doesn't.
Yeah, this is also, by the way, it gets us back to the Mamdani, right?
It gets us because if we're going to import Gimmigrans to this country, that's the song, then, and who don't have that same sense of honor in their home cultures, who don't even have the concept of earning in their culture because they only have a concept of obtaining and receiving and having.
Well, or, you know, a grievance-based ideology of hating.
Because white Europeans have been such a vile scourge upon the world for so many centuries now that we have to take back what was.
Then all of these systems completely fall apart.
However, however, there may be a little bit of a silver lining here, perhaps some hope, because this is going to flip the entire conversation around.
Play Clip 122.
This program is keeping a lot of people unmarried, uneducated, don't want to, you know, do anything that will hinder the opportunity with their chance to lose their benefits.
Only in America do we have people that have $1,200 iPhones checking to see if their snap benefits hit.
Anyone who's on welfare, not for a disability, but because they can't provide for themselves, should not have the ability to vote in our society.
I don't have kids.
There's no way that I have kids and I'm waiting on somebody else to feed them.
So there you go.
Perhaps there's a silver lining that some people are actually pointing out that, no, these programs are big problems.
And how many times did Charlie point out that the Great Society program, which goes back to his much maligned criticism of LBJ's 1960s programs, has completely destroyed certain communities in this country by bringing in big government, which goes back to the original turning point slogan of big gov sucks, that big government becomes dad and therefore you don't need dad.
It destroys the families because it destroys your, it kind of destroys your ability or your incentive to behave responsibly, right?
So if the government's going to come in and backstop you on everything, then it creates moral hazard, right?
Why would you behave responsibly if you know the government's just going to give you everything?
Yeah.
And they're all on iPhones.
And I'm just going to say, and by the way, can I just say this?
Okay, I'm just going to say it.
I'm just going to say it.
None of them look particularly hungry to me.
They don't look particularly needy.
That's if you want a glowy brain thing.
No one in America is actually like no one starves to death in America, which is nice.
Starvation was a thing that happened.
I'm glad we don't.
In many countries in the past, America's main problem among healthy young people is extreme obesity.
Many of those countries, by the way, embrace the same policies of like, I don't know, Zora Mondani or Joseph Stalin.
Yeah, and we don't have starvation.
So like they always have to define it down.
So now they call it hunger.
And if you dig into what they label as, you know, hunger, they'll talk about food insecurity.
And it'll be things like a lot of people, they don't know where their next meal will come from.
I don't know where my next meal is going to come from.
My fridge is empty right now.
Well, that's a particular blake.
Yeah, that's me being a weird person.
I think this is a good place to wrap up because if you insert this stuff into the culture, it's so difficult to extract it.
And one of the things that I love when you talk about is the you probably got some of this during the Great Depression and the New Deal, right, Democrats.
But then in the 60s, again, you had this new wave of government subsidies and handouts and welfare programs.
Explain the difference between before and after, the American psychology of what it meant to take welfare and the honor and the dishonor that that was.
And then after, how long did that happen?
Well, one of the saddest things, one of the saddest things in hindsight to read is when they're rolling out the Great Society, which is LBJ's big welfare state thing, they would run into the problem that a lot of Americans would, out of pride, refuse to sign up for government programs.
It was considered shameful to go on the dole.
And when you think of how immensely successful America was for so long, you've got to think a society where it is shameful to go on the dole is probably going to be more successful than one where there is no shame.
We all know that.
When there's no shame about being dependent on other people, to be dependent on the collective, then people are more likely to do it.
And when you do that, it's a habit that you sink into.
And one of the most important parts of maturity, and that a lot of people realize when they grow up, is you kind of, you become what you are based on what your habits are, what you do every single day.
And if it is a habit, if it is a habit to take advantage of every way of getting free money, then it can become a habit to exploit this or to get as much of it as possible and to avoid other socially beneficial ways of making money.
In the long run, you just have a worse society, a worse country.
But I'm just going to, like, it still comes back, though, to mass immigration because there are parts of the world where what we would consider scamming, what we would consider gaming the system, lying for benefit are not necessarily considered shameful at all.
Yeah, or at least certainly when abstracted out.
A big thing that is not universal is this sort of sense of general obligations towards all of society or like the state apparatus.
There are a lot of people who come from societies that are that are insular and clannish.
And so you couldn't cheat your brother, your cousin, yeah, your person who's in your group in Afghanistan.
But you can do anything to someone who's outside of that group.
And that's the historical norm.
That's how probably everybody was 10,000 years ago.
It was a rough process to change that.
One of my buddies who was deployed to Afghanistan, I remember we were having this conversation just talking about the cultural differences, Eastern, Western.
And he was saying that in America, it's considered corrupt for you to hire your family from a government position and give them contracts and take care of your family.
That's because you're corrupt.
In Afghanistan, if you don't hire your family and give them public contracts and public funds, you'd be considered corrupt.
Well, you're totally right about immigration because America, you talk about historic levels of excellence and success as a society.
And we basically, either it was hubris or it was ideological rot that was creeping in.
And you talk about this with the, what do you call it, the blue banana.
And maybe you can explain this, but essentially, most of the world's progress and innovation has come from a very tiny slice.
A very tiny slice of civilization.
Yeah, I think the blue banana is specifically like an area of high urbanization, but you don't need to zoom it out a lot.
And it's basically London to London.
It's like London to London to Florence, basically.
London to Florence.
You can track most of the good things in the world from this region.
A lot of them.
Yeah, just a huge amount.
But basically, instead of going with respect, we're not going to screw these places up because they're too precious to humanity.
We go, let's just import a bunch of people that have no idea what the heck that culture is or where it came from.
Some of this is self-inflicted because one of the traits of sort of that is like a universalizing outlook on life.
A persistent, a persistent arrogance of a lot of arrogance of like, you know, historically like English, German, like European peoples is sort of the assumption that everyone is innately like them.
This is still a critique we make of liberals.
They like assume everyone in the world is sort of a Brooklyn liberal waiting to like come out after you like chip away at everything.
Yeah, well, that is kind of the liberal assumption that people are inherently good.
People are inherently good.
But that is not actually biblical.
Biblical is that we were made good and that we fell and that there's evil in the world and then we need to sort of repent from the evil.
That is actually the biblical view of human nature is that we were made good, made in God's image, but then there is a fall.
Evil's inserted to the world, so you have to deal with evil.
This is why we have police.
This is why we have locks on our door.
This is why the 2A crowd is ascendant, really.
But here's the point, though.
America is kind of like in the 20th century, maybe even the 19th century, is the blue banana writ large.
It's sort of like the innovation came from this country.
And instead of having a respect for the primordial goo that makes up this country, the foundational elements, the societal core, the culture and the character, we've just said, oh, screw it.
We're going to open the doors and throw open the doors.
There's a line, I think, from some French leftist, but I can't remember for sure, that is like, behind any great fortune is a great crime.
And this is basically a very third world outlook to have.
It's so low.
It's a world that's so funny.
It's a world that is zero sum.
It's a world where there is not like progress and industry and modern stuff.
And it kind of is a world that often makes sense if you're from a backward society.
Yeah, if you're from a society where everyone is kind of roughly equally leveled and all of your wealth just sort of probably comes from like being a renter, a rentier, like an owner.
Like, yeah, you might have to do something pretty bad to get a great fortune.
This is like an idiotic book, Guns, Germs, and Steel.
Was it Jared Diamond?
Jared Diamond.
Jared Diamond.
It's so stupid.
But in real life, it's like, okay, actually, no, if you wanted, behind a great fortune, if you're in America in 1955, what's behind your fortune?
Probably that you or someone in your family developed and created something of enormous value to millions of people.
So you enhanced the Besimer process for developing steel.
You figured out a way to sell ice cream to millions of people and you could make it in a factory.
There's the blue banana, by the way.
It's innately that like wealth coming from value creation.
And the more value you create, the more benefits that accrue to you.
And that is the winning combination that worked in America at its peak, that worked in the UK at its peak, that worked in a lot of countries when they're peaking.
And it's actually why, you know, China is rising now.
And China's gotten better at adding value to things.
That's why Charlie loved Elon Musk, candidly.
Because instead of making wealth selling financial instruments and pieces of paper and finding a way to exploit or predict the market, he's actually making physical objects.
Yeah, he developed an incredibly innovative electric car.
I have one.
Developed incredibly innovative.
He's like, I'm going to build rockets and I'm going to make them affordable.
And I'm going to put the internet in space.
It was almost an accident, a side effect.
Oh, we need to figure out how to make money off of this.
That he puts thousands of satellites in orbit.
And now, oh, you can actually just get Wi-Fi anywhere on Earth.
I need you to explain this to me.
Apparently, now there's a yellow and green banana.
Oh, they're making new bananas all the time.
This feels very leftist.
Yeah, yeah.
Where they have to be incorporated incorporating.
No, no, no, because it's because industrialization and urbanization has spread across Europe now from the original blue banana.
All right.
Blake, do you have an answer here?
Are you still?
Well, I'm looking at now.
My screen is I have one of those dumbbells.
The original definition of the blue banana was.
Throw it up when you have it, studio.
But we should wrap it.
Yeah, well, so part of this, by the way, the reason I feel like that is the blue banana is actually mostly a historically like urbanized zone.
That has always been a very high population density.
And so now you have these other big cities is what's going on there.
But it also, that historical blue banana is also just, if you look at, you know, you can read the history of European science and industry and philosophy and all the big innovations.
And they just come, it's not even, they come from Europe.
They come from a remarkably narrow slice of why isn't there?
Not many.
Why isn't Rome in it?
I mean, Rome actually hasn't been that great since Rome isn't.
Rome is where the church is held back innovation.
Northern Italy is where the really dynamic scientist types are coming from.
Yeah, like Galileo works.
He works in Pisa, I think.
Oh, is it Pisa?
Has anyone here actually had a real blue banana, though?
Those things are supposed to be delicious.
That's a thing?
I think I may have in Guama.
It's called a Blue Java banana.
Yeah, one of the broken bananas.
Galileo, born in Pisa.
Wait, time out.
This is really important.
I want to talk about my time in Asia more and all the things I experienced.
It allegedly tastes like vanilla ice cream.
I really want.
They're really excited.
The one that I had in Guam did not taste like vanilla ice cream.
I've never heard of this.
Look it up.
I have no Java banana.
It's more of like maroon.
A blue Java banana.
And you keep talking about Java bananas.
We have to wrap now.
A blue Java banana.
Here's the deal.
Here's the deal.
We had to do this thought crime to cleanse ourselves of many things, including the election, some of the controversies.
Except for Arizona.
Except for Arizona.
Well done, Turning Point Action.
And in New Hampshire.
You want to take us home?
No, I think we learned a lot.
I think tonight was a good conversation.
I think tonight we had some important conversations.
EBT is a TikTok, by the way, that's on Twitter.
So give them, I have no idea who runs it.
Give them a follow.
That looks like a great account.
I love these like archive cartnarks.
Is that what it's called?
Yeah.
Oh, I love that name.
And oh, by the way, throw it up.
342 for Tyler.
There we go.
There she is.
Arizona.
So, Rhino patrolled Dorian Taylor is now on the Mesa City Council.
Yeah, that's great.
That's great.
It is.
It's a big win.
It's a big win because, guess what?
Yeah, if she wouldn't have won, do you have any idea?
We had Politico, New York Times, all these people, they would have stomped all over us.
New York Times did follow our Dorian.
They would have rifted on the grave of Charlie Kirk and said, they absolutely would have used it as an opportunity to tarnish Charlie.
So God was watching out for me.
Guys, if we could play the, and as we go out, could we just play the new theme song of thought crime?
I need it louder.
I need it louder.
I need more.
Charlie more.
Let's get it out.
Charlie would be very upset right now.
Charlie would force us to go out on classical music.
You know he would.
I think Charlie liked Tika Masala.
I think.
Well, it's fine.
Everybody likes Tika Masala.
It's an export.
It's an export from the blue banana.
Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more thought crime.
