THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 100 — Turning Point Halftime? Potatoes and Katie Porter? Hasan the Dog Shocker?
The Thoughtcrime crew welcomes Mikey McCoy into the fold as they discuss the pending plans for Turning Point's alternative Super Bowl halftime. They then relish the ongoing implosion of Democrat "rising star" Katie Porter, and Blake delivers an important apology to the potato community. The gang asks whether Hasan Piker's animal cruelty says more about him than his actual political views. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Ladies and gentlemen, it is once again time for Thought Crime Thursday.
I am Jack Pasobic.
As you know, my co-host, Charlie Kirk, is out on assignment with God, but we've had a huge week here, an incredible week.
We've got a lot of the crew in studio.
I'm in DC right now.
I want to thank CPI, by the way, for allowing me to use their incredible studio here.
But we've got the rest of the gang back in Phoenix right now.
And I believe we've got, let's see, Blake Neff.
What's up, Blake?
Oh, I'm doing great.
And Tyler Boyer is going to be joining us in just a few minutes.
He's wrapping up something.
But for the very first time on Thought Crime, we have Mr. Michael McCoy.
What's up, man?
It's my debut on Thought Crime.
I'm so honored.
Thank you for having me, guys.
All right.
Do you feel good about it?
Does it feel weird?
Is it different?
It's very different.
It does.
The red is really, you have to get used to it.
No, no, yeah.
It's very ominous.
It's like, this is the show where we get in trouble on purpose.
I love it.
Exactly.
And we have the great Tyler Boyer.
Tyler's here.
Hey, yeah, there he is.
Tyler will make his marks.
Don't worry.
What's up, Tyler?
He's saying, how are we doing, Tyler?
How are we doing?
It's raining.
How are you doing?
Yeah, it's like a typhoon here.
I am once again, I would like to, once again, to emphasize that I was told Phoenix was in a desert, and this is a complete lie.
A couple weeks ago, we got hit by that typhoon.
It rained like eight inches in one day or something.
Yeah, I didn't have to do irrigation.
I was stuck at the airport for eight hours.
I didn't have to do irrigation.
It was incredible.
Yeah, like, I feel like it's not, you're not in a desert if it rains enough that your airport has to shut down due to how intense the rain is.
I think this is the most amount of rain, though, we've gotten in like 20-something years.
Where is Jack right now?
CPI Studio, D.C. Guy Studios in D.C. Shout out to CPI, by the way, for, so I just got done speaking at their off the record, even though it was an on-the-record off the record.
And it's been a lot of time with Chris Bedford.
And, you know, we had a great discussion, really, really talking about Charlie a lot and kind of what this means, you know, going forward, what turning point's up to.
And I said, look, you know, it's Thursday, so we do the thought crime.
And they said, hey, we've got a great studio.
Why don't you go over and use it?
And I said, gosh, I'd be honored.
So here we are.
It's great.
And, you know, it's interesting because that gets us to our first topic that a lot of people are asking about.
There's so many emails about this.
Gosh, I can't even imagine who would come up with such a crazy idea as this.
Probably just some, you know, no-good Nick Nerdewell.
Is this true?
Can you guys confirm this?
Turning Point USA is hosting an all-American halftime show?
This is true.
We announced it.
I actually, we talked about this earlier on the show, but within like hour of posting it, Corey Asbury and Forrest Frank, people were so confused.
They're like, is this the Corey Asbury one?
Is this the fourth time?
And so Corey was a little confused.
He posted on his story about it.
He commented on ours.
But then Corey was kind enough to reach out.
I jumped on a call with him this morning for like 30 minutes and we built the bridge.
We're going to work out.
Yeah, we're going to partner on this one and allegedly, maybe.
More to come.
Maybe.
It's not announced.
TBA.
Yeah, TBD.
We'll see.
What I love about all of this is that we have to obscure what it's the halftime of because a popular American sports league is extremely territorial about the name of a certain sporting event.
Pay attention to this when the sporting event comes around next February.
Like, look at ads and like deals that supermarkets and restaurants are putting on because they won't mention the sporting event.
They'll always just call it the big game.
And then this, you know, majority.
I know what you're talking about.
And this major American sports entity got so peeved about that.
They tried to also trademark the phrase the big game.
Wait, what?
Yes.
That's how lame they are.
Yes.
That's how mega lame money.
Why wouldn't you want people talking about your incredible product that you made?
Incredible sporting event.
It's just like, they're like, no, we don't want people talking about our product.
I think we start calling Amfest the big event.
No, we want people talking about Amfest.
We're never going to do that to people.
Say, except when people, the only issue I have is when people call Amerifest.
I do that a lot.
That drives me.
I do that a lot.
No, I'm like, I always correct people.
I'm like, you mean AmericaFest?
America Festival.
Is Amerifest okay?
Yeah, Amfest.
AmFest.
Amfest.
Amerifest is the ability.
Why is Amerifest not acceptable?
Because that's a really, that's like a really boomer.
I'm with Tyler.
I'm with Tyler.
No, it's awful.
What?
There's no such thing as Amerifest.
Because it sounds like Americare.
Yeah, it sounds like an insurance company.
Yeah, it sounds like an insurance company.
That's true.
Or like an auto insurance company.
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, or America.
Anyways, back to the back to the big game.
The big game.
So MAGA Bull.
We should just start calling it MAGA Bowl.
I started this on Twitter, kind of going rogue.
And then we had Tim Pool last week on the main show.
And then we were talking about it.
And it just went like crazy.
When I see virality, and this is because, by the way, we have to say it because this is being done in response.
And so, you know, I've never seen virality like this.
I've never seen a response like this from anything.
And, well, Blake, you know, I know we've talked about it a few times, but the sporting event has announced that their halftime show, and this is, by the way, this is why it opened up.
This is why, like, when you're running a movement like we have in America today, like the MAGA movement, whatever you want to call it, that you're always sort of reacting to what is going on in the culture and in the mainstream.
And Blake, could you walk us through the sad, sad saga of Bad Bunny?
Oh, man.
The bad.
Well, actually, I can't really because I've barely heard of Bad Bunny.
So I had never heard of it.
Just in the last few weeks.
So the bunny who is bad, despite the name, he is not actually a rabbit or a hare of any kind.
He is a person.
He's a person from Puerto Rico.
He does some form of music that I am told is popular with certain people.
And oh man, that's really garish.
Okay.
Anyway, he does some sort of like reggaeton music, I think.
Welcome to Thought Crime, Michael.
Yeah, guys, I'm uncomfortable.
Yeah, and so he does this sort of naughty.
It's all in Spanish.
It's all in Spanish.
They have booked him for the Super Bowl halftime because Jay-Z, sorry, the big game halftime.
Jay-Z has like sole control over the Super Bowl halftime.
Wait, can you not even talk about the Super Bowl?
If you say it three times in too narrow of a period, Roger Goodell appears behind you and stabs you.
No, it's just that we can't, okay, we can't say that our halftime show is a sporting event, halftime show.
It is not part of the sporting event that is also going on at the same time.
Ours is the turning point halftime show, the turning point all-American halftime show.
Theirs is the Super Bowl halftime show.
That's what we're talking about.
Yeah, that's fair.
That's fair.
Anyway, so the Super Bowl halftime show.
So Bad Bunny, he only performs in Spanish.
And he's also this deranged lib.
He's been boycotting America because he doesn't, he says that ICE would like disrupt his concerts.
It appears quite plausible, if not likely, that he will deliver some sort of political screed at the physically large game.
And the big event.
Do you guys remember how controversial Ricky Martin was in the Hispanic community?
No.
Over all the gay stuff.
No.
Do you remember this chat?
No.
Yeah, I remember this.
Do you remember?
You have to be old to know this.
Yeah, I guess.
You do.
Yeah, kind of.
I was thinking about this today.
I was like, remember how up in arms everybody was about gay Ricky Martin?
Because everyone was like, oh my gosh, Ricky Martin's gay.
And like, look how far we've come.
Yeah.
Like Hispanic culture has slid where it's like Bad Bunny is even like a lot of Hispanic.
Look, I've grown up around a ton of Hispanics.
I'm not Hispanic myself.
I grew up in Arizona.
The state has been like founded on this convergence of like, you know, Hispanic culture, Native American culture, you know, a pioneer culture.
And you have like the like most wretched, violent, anti-Christian.
Like, this isn't, this is like trans propaganda that's being promoted by Bad Bunny.
And it's, it's nowhere near cool.
And like, I'm just thinking back to like, remember how like crazy people went over the Ricky Martin stuff?
I don't know if you remember any of this at all, Jack, but like.
No, I do because like we, because Tyler, you, you and I, as like the, you know, the like the centennials, the gen y, elder millennials, whatever you want to call it, that like we remember the world as it was in the before time.
So like this sort of stuff wasn't normalized.
So when someone would come out and they'd be like, oh my gosh, you know, it would actually be a huge deal.
Whereas today, you know, like everyone comes up and they're like, I'm bi, I'm queer, I'm trans, I'm this, I'm that.
And it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, we know.
Like, that's just like all celebrities.
Like, you're not even allowed to be a celebrity if you're not one of the alphabet club members anymore, which is like, and it's just so completely force-memed down everybody's throat that people are like, they don't even care.
But it wasn't even that long ago where like Ricky Martin coming out was a huge, huge deal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just had to Google this.
Is Bad Bunny gay?
And Google's telling me no.
How do you, I don't think you can dress like that.
I don't, I don't know.
I don't know if he's gay or not, but the point is he's like promoting.
I believe he's considered an ally.
Okay.
He's dressed as a trans person on the music video.
This is what the Gay Times, which is a publication, had an article yesterday.
Five times Bad Bunny proved he's the ultimate LGBTQ plus ally.
So I think that's a safe tell that he's not actually.
So he's actually all of them.
So Bad Bunny is actually L G B T Q and plus.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you're at the same time.
He's definitely covering the Q part.
He's definitely covering the Q. I'm not sure, like walking back, he's promoting trans.
We're not sure if he's LG or B, right?
Yeah.
But it's probable.
I mean, it probably is probable.
It's like it's, it's definitely being promoted.
I had a, we had a meeting, a marketing meeting.
Marina was like, didn't you hear the news?
And I was like, what?
And she goes, Selena Gomez and Bad Bunny got married.
It's like, no, I think that was Benny Blanco.
She's like, no, no, no, it was definitely, it was definitely Bad Bunny.
And so we had to pull up the picture and see, what do you guys think?
Which one looks more alike?
Do you think they look alike?
Bad Bunny and Benny Blanco?
I mean, I can understand how you would mess that up, though.
I can get that.
Well, and the names are kind of important.
As a side note, is it weird to anyone else that he is he performs exclusively in Spanish, but his name is Bad Bunny, an English term?
That's throwing me off in an annoying way.
Well, nobody talked about this today, but I think it's, yeah, we, Pitbull was like one of the only rappers.
Obviously, Hispanic, does a lot of Spanish, was one of the only guys that came out for Trump big time in 2020.
He kind of chilled out in 2024.
I didn't really see him out a whole bunch talking about Trump.
But yeah, maybe we should hit up Pitbull.
He did some stuff with Ana Paulina.
He is apparently considered the king of Latin trap, which I can definitely see how Trap got involved with his identity based on those clips we were showing.
I can't understand how Trap became so trans.
In Spanish, I looked it up.
In Spanish, Bad Bunny would be, I don't know if I'm saying this right, conejito malo.
Conojito malo.
Or conejo malo.
Maloco.
Is that actually like bunny or is it rabbit or hair or something?
I think it's bunny.
Oh, okay.
Real quick, I do want to hit this because thank you for the donation message we hear.
We have gas station sushi26 asked, how would Charlie have felt about a Maori Hakka tribute done for him in London?
I have not seen that and now I want to watch it because that sounds nifty.
I feel actually, I do wonder about that because Haka Haka started off as like a religious pagan thing, but I think now they do it at Christian gatherings in New Zealand among Maori.
So he'd probably be okay with that as long as it was sufficiently Christianized.
It was great.
I saw that video.
And also he'd probably think it was cool because it's like people screaming for him.
It's way better than all those horrible hakas they've had where it's like liberal women screaming a haka while they like rip Harry Potter books in half or something.
There's been some strange appropriations of that.
Well, well, while we pull the video up, I want to go through because so Bad Bunny, not only does he get announced this way in a sense, where like he's just not popular in the English-speaking world and or you know, I have to say it, he's like the English-speaking part of America because it's sort of part of the bifurcation of America where he's extremely popular in Hispanic circles and yet English speakers just don't know him.
They're just not familiar with him.
And then he goes on Saturday Night Live and does this monologue that goes viral where he starts speaking in Spanish and saying how this is for you.
This isn't for the English speakers.
This is what it's all about.
And then he switches back to English and says, oh, and by the way, you know, if you didn't understand that, you have four months to learn Spanish.
And then TMZ had this article about him that, or a video, basically, where he gets captured.
I think it was at the Yankees game.
They're in the playoffs right now.
And he was filmed during God Bless America.
And everyone around him is standing up and he just stays in.
He just stays sitting down.
So this guy, and I don't want to go too deep into Bad Bunny, but he's been so completely obnoxious and odious and divisive to America and to American culture that, and Jay-Z, of course, who runs through Rock Nation, this election process, it got to the point where I said, you know what?
Turning point should just hold off halftime show.
Just Turning Point should do a show.
And at the time, I said they should get Creed.
And, you know, no announcements on musical acts yet.
But, you know, it was so obnoxious that I just had to say it.
So you guys are there.
I haven't been in Phoenix this week.
Walk me through.
How did this actually come about?
Yeah, also today on the show, Andrew gave you huge props, Jack.
He said this.
I just want to point out originally came from Jack.
Jack actually.
We are getting endless emails about how the musical acts should be like.
We've gotten like 10 in the last 10 minutes, basically.
Jack joined the ranks of people making suggestions of what Turning Point should do.
Yeah.
Did it.
It went viral because everything goes viral about every suggestion that's good right now.
And now we're forced to do it.
It's like literally, it says literally prison at Turning Point.
What's the thing?
Every time someone comes in with a good idea and it's like Jack and Andrew on the show every day coming up with things.
Benny, like everybody's like saying stuff and then like we're forced to do it.
I've just stopped picking up my phone.
What?
The white shirts at the football game.
What is that?
Yeah, it's like everybody just starts doing stuff.
There's this line that the girls like a lot that they'll say nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come.
That's right.
That's right.
Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come, Tyler.
Wait, can I point something out real quickly?
I just realized this.
I guess the term trap also refers to someone you can't determine.
You're just learning this now.
I don't know.
I'm like, I'm playing the role of Charlie.
You go to a trap party and I'm playing the role of Charlie right now.
I don't know what traps are.
No, I mean, yeah, I kind of like maybe hearing it like in context.
I still have no idea who you guys are talking about.
Are you guys just becoming like I'm going to be like Charlie Kirk?
I'm going to be like Charlie Garrett.
You're our Charlie now.
You're our Charlie now.
Explain trap to Charlie because is that where the term trap music comes from?
I don't think so.
They're not related, right?
So it's not the same thing.
Wait, wait, so that isn't that like really weird that the person who's gender we can't.
That's the joke I made earlier.
Oh, yeah.
I was like, I came to Latin Trap and I understood why he was called that.
Double entanglement.
Yeah.
Got it.
It comes from Trap House, which is a house that sells drugs.
Yeah, so that's totally different.
But like trap, right?
A trap means like you go out with this, like, let's say you're in Thailand, which I've never been to for the record.
But let's say, for instance, you're in Thailand, you go out with some girl.
She's real cute.
You get home.
She goes, I've got a secret.
And then, okay, all right.
All right.
We've gone, right?
We just got to go.
However, this has given rise to the great internet question, are traps gay?
That's how we started.
I like Thought Kirk.
100%.
100%.
I like this show.
Yeah, this is the show.
This show always does well.
This is great.
Every week, this show, yeah, hits numbers like we've never seen before because we educate each other on all these words, these terminologies that nobody has ever really heard of, really understands, really gets into.
I'm just picturing.
By the way, the answer is, the answer to the question, of course, is yes, but they're only gay from the moment you find out.
I don't like this.
Listen.
Listen, I question people who, yeah, this is why everyone should question old men who go on vacation to Thailand and everyone should be questioning anyone that's like, oh, I do.
I'm enjoying.
I'm enjoying that we have.
I'm really enjoying that we have live chat because Mike's wife, that's the name of the account, has commented, please explain trap and now is going to be a lot of fun.
I don't even know what this Mike's.
Mike, I don't even know what trap.
I'm equally as confused as you.
Yeah, I don't know.
Wait, is that actually Mike's wife?
I have no idea.
Their username is Mike's WifeUS, and Mikey has a wife that is in the U.S. Elizabeth, is this you?
Is that actually Elizabeth?
It'd be pretty funny.
It'd be pretty funny if it was.
Elizabeth said, no, it's not an extra explanation.
I really didn't know that.
Trap is another one.
I want to apologize.
I should have never imagined that your wife would be unfamiliar with that important piece of internet work.
Are you kidding me?
Yeah, she's a smart woman.
She said she knows what it is.
That's good.
Well-educated woman.
Well-educated.
I mean.
But then, so, okay, so, but, but, but that being said, all right, so Tyler, so, so, the, the, the thought process, so I get it.
So, it goes viral.
Everybody wants it, but, but at some point, you know, the decision had to be made.
So, you know, I've seen, you know, and Andrew, by the way, who's, who is not gracing us with his presence, who is totally slacking on thought crime and will be made to answer for this next week, by the way, isn't here to share it with us.
So, so you guys got to give me a scoop.
What was it that kind of, that kind of like pushed the, you know, pushed it into the yes column?
Well, I did my job.
So, as soon as this went viral, I was peppering everybody else and saying, I think we should do it.
I think we should do it.
I think we should do it.
So, I think, I don't think it was any single person, but I think everybody together was like looking into it.
And, and, you know, God bless all of the staff at Turning Point USA, Mikey, Justin, all the events team.
Like, nobody really shot it down.
See, this is the thing.
When new things come onto the scene at Turning Point, it's really democratic how the process works.
If everybody kind of agrees on stuff, and this isn't new, right?
This has always been the case.
Obviously, Charlie, you know, would kind of just go around and be like, we're going to do this.
We're going to do this.
We're going to do this.
We're going to do this to every single person.
And then he would kind of seed it.
And then we'd be like, all right, let's vote on it, basically.
And we'd bring it to the chat.
And then everyone would be like, oh, yeah.
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And we should give credit also to the supporters out there.
We have our Freedom at Charlie Kirk email with the show.
Oh, yeah, that's just 90 million meetings.
I think literally 50% of our emails at any time are just about this.
We're getting them throughout the night, throughout the show.
We're getting them right now.
We just got one in this past minute.
And what's amazing about it is it's from someone who seems, they say, how about an alternative halftime show?
That's right.
And I think they actually don't know yet that we've done it already.
That's right.
But there's just lots of people love the idea.
And that's also the point, too.
It's like, you've got to get it out there and keep saying it over and over because ultimately, you know, that's the thing that people don't realize is marketing any event that Turning Point's ever done.
Like we've built a really nice brand with AmericaFest.
But it's like that started, people don't realize that started as a party at CPAC.
And we took that and we ran with it.
And then we, I was like, we need to turn that into a brand.
And then we created a whole brand.
But still, like a vast majority of people don't know that America Fest exists.
And once they figure it out and then they figure out how to get to it and all that stuff.
So it's not easy to build a brand and an idea and a party or an event and then make sure everyone knows because ultimately the event happens and then people miss it and they go, oh, I wish I would have watched it.
And unlike a certain major professional sports league, we are never going to make it so it's illegal or like you'll get sued if you refer to America Fest.
We'll never have to have people refer to the big event, the big con, the hetero event.
The good news is we are announcing our first singer.
We are.
Blake Neff.
What?
Never surrender.
I am headlining.
Wait, I thought we weren't announcing that yet.
Dude, you just put that in the middle.
Did I let that cat out of the bag?
Oh, dear.
That'll shut down the event pretty fast.
Can you give us a little teaser, Blake?
Really?
Are you going to make me do this?
Come on.
The audience wants it.
Does the audience actually want it?
I need to see what the actual masses say.
No, no, they're yelling.
Blake Neff will be singing.
I will survive.
No, no, I'm definitely not going to sing that.
Saxon.
Well, people don't realize that Blake is actually a six-time regional karaoke winner.
I will survive as one of his go-to as well as several.
Hold on.
Hold on.
I'm not going to sing I Will Survive, but I will.
I'm always a fan of the 80s heavy metal band Saxon from the Never Surrender 2000 Surrender.
Remaster.
Surrender.
When you're up against the wall.
Yeah, that will surrender.
Stand up.
Fight them all.
Go look it up.
All right.
I don't have mine.
I just got.
This reminds me of.
We just sold 100 tickets right there.
We just sold 100 tickets.
That's great.
Yeah.
100 tickets.
100 tickets so people can line up to like get your tickets now.
This is going to sell out real fast, folks.
I don't know why you just reminded me of Mike White.
You remind me of Mike White and you know, it's Buddies with Jack Black and all the stuff they do.
Oh, dear.
Oh, man.
Not conservative.
This isn't Thought Crime.
This is like voice crime now.
There's a lot of crimes going on.
No, it's karaoke crime.
Karaoke crime.
Definitely that.
We've had a couple of good ideas on Thought Crime.
One is that we should bring all our moms on to take our place and let them do this for one.
Remember we talked about that?
I don't, but I suppose that's the problem.
For the other day special that we talked about that.
Wow.
Jack, that all our moms would come on, and instead of it being us, like they would just like all time.
I'm almost sad we've spoiled this idea now.
It's a great idea.
The second should be karaoke crime.
We would do nothing but karaoke crime.
Yeah, this is like when we occasionally get mom crime and karaoke.
We're getting like weirder and weirder.
This is going to end with me having to like do a 24-hour Twitch stream where I play Age of Empires or something.
Time out.
Charlie.
One of Charlie's ideas was to do a 24-hour live stream.
Does anyone remember?
I know what you're talking about.
No, I remember we talked about we were going to do shifts and we were going to have like cots set up and like people could sleep and then come back and we're going to do a live stream for 24 hours.
I was going to do my gimmick.
The gimmick I was ready for was during the election.
I was going to stay live until it was called.
But then we kicked so much butt, it was over by midnight.
Blake was put up a lot of companies.
Tyler, does this classify as one of those really good ideas that comes to fruition?
What's that?
The 24-hour stream.
I think we need to make it happen.
So the background on this that nobody knows or we haven't talked about in a long time was we did so well on the live stream after 2020.
Yeah.
That I think it was 2020 that Charlie, it was, well, everything was up in the air.
Remember, we were going live every day for like two weeks or three weeks or whatever it was.
And Charlie was like, we need to do a 24-hour live stream.
We'll just bring everybody on, like all of our friends, and we'll just go, go, go, go, go.
Like 24 straight hours.
So yeah, I think we should.
We'll do it.
We'll make a graphic.
We'll put it out there.
Announce it.
Yeah.
We're going to broad enough to make it interesting.
The graphic team is on it.
For the 2026 election night, we're going to do 24 hours of pure live streaming starting at like noon the day before until the noon the day next.
I love this.
I love it.
Should we talk Katie Porter?
Katie Portato.
Okay, hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on, guys.
Before we get into it.
Before we get into this, before we get into this, actually, before we get into this at all, can you guys play?
This is not on the clip sheet or excuse me on the topic list.
Can you guys play clip 140?
This is the unit.
That's the University of North Dakota right now, Blake Neff, son of the Dakotas.
That's from the tour tonight.
I mean, that's three.
That's like that is like 70% of the population of North Dakota.
I think probably I have some relatives in there.
Dude, every single person is holding a Charlie Kirk.
By the way, if you want a thought crime right now, I'll shout out anyone watching from North Dakota.
It is the fighting Sioux forever.
None of this fighting hawks nonsense.
It is always the fighting Sue.
Forever and ever.
Regional territorial battles.
I just got to say, it's been amazing to see.
I don't know the exact numbers yet, but that's several thousand people.
There's no question.
We had, what, it was, you know, 4,500 people in Montana State two nights ago.
These numbers, I mean, Mikey, you've been out there.
Have the tourists seen numbers like this before?
Yeah, we have, but not consistently in evening events like this.
And so Charlie would, towards the end, really loved doing the Prove Me Wrong.
So we, last semester, we did like 28 of them.
This semester, we were supposed to do 30 plus.
And so, but we kept all the evening stops.
And these are the biggest venues because Charlie is pushing the team just hard, nonstop.
Get the arenas, get the massive venues, get the amphitheaters.
So we did.
We got them all.
And so now what we're seeing is Charlie's not there, but all of these students are still showing up to support his legacy and his mission.
And the speakers are there.
You're hearing every night last night.
You heard in Montana or two nights ago.
That was Montana State.
Charlie, Charlie, tonight, North Dakota.
And we have some really big ones coming up.
We're talking 10,000, 9,000 arenas with some really big guests soon.
It will be announced, but very exciting.
Yeah, we're going to do that.
That's huge.
By the way, I'm missed for saying this is episode 100.
This is actually episode 100 of Thought Crime.
Was I graced enough to come on?
I think it actually might be 101 because I think we doubled an episode.
Silence!
Call it episode 100.
For my sake, call it 100.
Oh, that's pretty incredible.
100 episodes a lot.
100 weeks?
100?
No, two years.
So that's almost two years.
Yeah, it'd be 54 weeks of me 20 years.
We did.
We started a few years here and there, Blake Kirk.
We missed some weeks here and there.
You know, different.
Some were not numbered episodes, I believe.
Because they were specialties or some such.
That's kind of crazy.
We've been doing this for two plus years.
Wow.
That's crazy.
And on our Charlie.
I have been crazy because I think when we first started this, we were like, we're never, ever going to do this.
And I didn't really like every week we're going to get canceled.
And then the show started giving us giving us more problems externally than it did.
But we kept doing it.
We kept doing it, pushing through for everything.
So the thought crimes will continue.
And as such, there was someone who committed a bit of a thought crime earlier today, or I believe earlier this week.
And Blake Neff, Blake Neff, is now prepared to make his very first public apology.
Blake, the floor is yours.
All right.
Thank you, Jack.
Now, we need to be very serious here for a moment.
I said some words yesterday on the normal Charlie Kirk show that I regret, that I should not have said, that were very hurtful, were ill-considered by me.
We got a lot of emails about this.
And I feel a lot of shame.
I feel a lot of embarrassment.
I can't ever really fully apologize for what I did.
This is only a half-baked, or if you prefer, twice-baked way of doing things.
But yesterday, I compared California gubernatorial candidate, Katie Porter, to a very popular spud, the potato.
And I really just want to say I'm so sorrowful that I would have ever taken a great food like the potato that has given so much joy and happiness and nutrition to billions of people and compared it to this entity, Katie Porter.
That was extremely hurtful.
I should have never done that.
And I want to apologize to the lovely potato for everything I said.
It was so hurtful.
And I just could not, I could not be more apologetic to all potatoes and potato lovers out there for what I did because we are learning more and more about Katie Porter and she is just wholly undeserving to ever be mentioned in the same breath with that beautiful spud.
I know.
I can't believe that.
As a man of Polish descent, the land of Eastern Europe, the land of potatoes.
I just, I want to say that, you know, I forgive you.
I forgive you for what you did.
I will not forget this, though.
And of course, you must still face public, you know, public justice.
The debt must be paid.
It must be paid.
Guys, I'm thinking Blake has to like cook potatoes for the entire, the entire group.
I'll pay it.
I'll pay it with a freebie for you.
So, Jack, the next time you go to Poland, my favorite restaurant when I went to Poland, it was in Gdansk, former Danzig, founded by some lovely Germans.
But the best restaurant in Gdansk is called, I believe, like Podriba or something like that.
It's like bar under the fish, but it is a baked potato-themed restaurant.
And it has like under the fish.
Yeah, under the fish.
And it's the greatest.
It's like the greatest, baked potato restaurant I've ever been to in my life.
So that's your potato-related means of atonement.
So I'm actually.
I'm actually going to give you a much worse visual on Katie Porter and what she looks like.
Worst.
Katie Porter and Jack will be able to appreciate this since you evoked Eastern Europe.
In Russia and Eastern Europe, babushkas walk around all day long with like sleeveless shirts in the summer.
It's this most disgusting thing.
And they raise their arms up and there's this fat, wrinkly, just like disgusting, pale skin that just looks so gross of like wrinkly, fat armpit.
I know what you're talking about.
Have you seen Katie Porter in Russia?
Yeah.
What?
So why was Katie Potter?
No, I'm saying Katie, Katie doesn't look like a potato.
She looks like a fat, wrinkly armpit.
I can post a picture.
Wait, hold on, hold on.
We need to, we need to, for those of you, for those who are on the home.
You know, I'm talking about fat, wrinkly armpits.
Have you ever seen like a picture of the picture?
Real quick, before we demean her further, we need to give some context.
Katie Porter.
We need context.
So first off, this is what we were discussing yesterday.
There's additional developments, but we want to, for anyone who's just getting in now, this was an interview that Katie Porter gave, I believe now two or three days ago with CBS Outlet in California.
Do we have the clip?
Clip 87.
What do you say to the 40% of California voters who you'll need in order to win?
Let me be clear with you.
I represented Orange County.
I represented a purple area.
I have stood on my own two feet and won Republican votes before.
That's not something every candidate in this race can say.
So you don't.
I feel like this is unnecessarily argumentative.
What is your question?
The question is the same thing I ask everybody who haven't written and I'll answer it.
And we've also asked the other candidates, do you think you need any of those 40% of California voters to win?
And you're saying, no, you don't.
No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win every vote I can.
And what I'm saying to you is that.
Well, to those voters.
Okay, so you...
I don't want to keep doing this.
I'm going to call it.
Thank you.
You're not going to do the interview with us.
Nope, not like this.
I'm not.
Not with seven follow-ups to every single question you ask.
Every other candidate has answers.
I don't care.
To be clear, this is the woman running for governor right now.
And because I guess they just had no one else who could run in a state the size of California.
But what's great about this, what makes this brilliant, that was an embarrassing clip that went viral.
But what's really amazing now is we're getting videos are getting released by former staffers of Potato Katie and Portatoo.
Katie Portatoo.
I thought you just said that we weren't going to be doing that again, buddy.
You're right.
No, you're right.
Her name is Bobushka Armpit.
Okay, all right.
Okay.
But anyway, they're releasing new videos of her that are like other greatest hits from the experience of working under Katie Porter.
This is one that they released.
Let's play clip 134.
That we're going to lose more than half a million Californians dying prematurely to air pollution and other problems.
And the state could lose four.
Get out of my shot.
I want to say something that that's actually incorrect.
It's not that it's electric vehicles.
It's that if we don't need the commitments under the Paris Climate Award.
Okay.
It does.
Okay.
You also were in my shop before that.
Stay out of my shot.
Okay.
I'm going to start again with electric vehicles saving us money.
Get out of my shot.
So I actually talked today with someone who's on the Republican side, works in politics in California, state Senate.
And I actually used to work in Sacramento.
So I reached out to her.
It's like, tell me a little bit about Katie Porter.
What do you know?
She said, she is the most disrespectful, hateful, and nastiest as they come.
She treats her staff worse than anybody else and is more left than you could ever imagine, even more so than Gavin Newsom.
And here's something crazy.
Her husband filed charges against her for throwing metal toys at her.
Dot dot dot.
Guess what?
Dot dot dot.
They don't have kids.
Metal toys?
Wait, no, they do.
They do.
I know that that's funny, but they do because there's all the defenses of her for why she's so nasty to her staff is that she was a single mom when she got elected to Congress because she divorced her husband.
The other thing, which is why I made my, I'm going to have to, I have to apologize to potatoes, but the reason I had potatoes on the brain is according to her ex-husband, she once poured boiling mashed potatoes onto him.
Wow.
She really is Katie Portatoo.
And oh, I think we have even another clip.
This one isn't quite as sweary as the others, but she has, she's shooting death stares at her staff because she doesn't like the lighting.
Let's play clip 133.
Oh, yes.
This is why I didn't want to do.
I need the lights off, the bright lights.
I'm so sorry, but I am about to get on.
Bernard, I need you to turn these off.
Hang on one second, everybody.
We should put the computer up up on the show.
Yes, yes, we should have.
Yes.
Okay, everybody.
I'm not that dark.
That's too dark.
Just a minute.
Okay, everybody.
I'm sorry about that.
I am in a TV studio.
That fat, wrinkly forehead.
If you go back to that original first clip and look at this thing, watch her forehead and like all the makeup.
You know when makeup like cakes up on people's wrinkles?
I just don't really understand.
I just really get it.
I don't understand how people fail up this aggressively.
I've seen so many failing up within politics.
Like it basically is like the, it's, it's the standard.
Like you see people start at the state level and they fail.
I mean, this is like, you know, Ruben Gallego, Katie Porter, like all these, they start at the state level.
She is probably the primest example of like, there is nothing of substance there that is good.
How do you like, how does anyone in the world like this person?
That's what's weird to be.
It's like, she's running for governor of California and you'd think, I know Democrats don't have the greatest bench, but I don't know, like they couldn't run Rokana for this.
Like I don't love Rokana, but I would pick Rokana over Katie Portatoo.
Yeah, I look at Swalwell and I go, this is egregious what the Democrats are doing to themselves.
Like we have to let them keep going, but like it is, I mean, it is so bad.
The top of their bench is fat, wrinkly armpit, potato face.
Katie really on that.
Katie, you do love the armpits.
That's what she looks like.
The next time you're out, go to Walmart.
There's going to be some old lady walking around shirtless in Arizona or sleeveless in Arizona.
Not shirtless.
Sleeveless.
You're going to see that.
She's got to raise her arm.
You're going to be like, that's what Katie Porter's face looks like.
And I'm telling you, Swalwell, this is their top of their ticket.
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Tyler, what do you do when you're going shopping at Walmart?
I'm saying they exist.
I'm saying they exist.
This is lavier.
Never go to Walmart with Tyler.
He's sitting there judging you.
I'm very judged.
Yeah, you shouldn't be wearing.
This is why I don't go to this shirt.
I'm afraid I'll run into Tyler and he's going to make a walking around sleeveless shirts with fat ring.
Actually, the true story is I am only three guns because I had to have Mikey help me get a better wardrobe.
I took a shop anything else now.
I gave the wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Blake, did you just say that you went shopping?
Yes, I did.
That's a thought crime.
That's right.
No, Mikey.
I think we need to.
I think we need to dig into this a little bit.
Mikey's done Blake a huge service.
Now, was this the first time you guys went out together or was this the second?
Many times.
Mikey's helped out Blake a lot.
Blake has had the greatest outfits on this week.
A couple of times.
I've been like, hey, is that a Mikey outfit?
He's like, yeah, it is.
It's not going to be one of mine.
People have seen my outfits.
I wear, if left to my own devices, I will dress like a person born in North Dakota that I am.
And it's going to probably be like dad jeans and a dad shirt from Blue Macy's blazer that Charlie did.
The Blue Macy's Blazer is amazing.
You will know the Blue Macy's Blazer.
I know.
I almost want to play that clip with Charlie trolling it.
So you went clothes shopping?
We should get that.
I'm going to find that clip.
This is great.
So you went clothes shopping with Mikey.
Just to be clear about this.
You're publicly admitting that you went clothes shopping for the express purpose of going close.
Yeah, look, okay.
I had a free hour.
Elizabeth was out of town.
And I'm like, you know, I love Blake.
I've traveled with him to the UK, with Charlie.
We went to Asia together.
At this point, we're like, you know, best friend.
Weren't we just talking about what happens in Asia?
Yeah, yeah.
I got to find this clip.
Oh, here, I found it.
One sec.
They're going to have to load it.
This might take him a second.
Charlie even trolled.
So Blake has his blue blazer.
It's great.
No.
And he bought, when did you buy that blazer?
I think I bought it in 2018.
And he wears it everywhere.
Every event, Amfest, SAS, CLS, YWS.
And in Asia, you wore it every day in a row.
You were sweating through.
How many blazers am I supposed to bring to Asia?
At least two.
There's like three conferences.
I don't know.
We got to play this clip when they load it.
Charlie was giving you a heartbeat.
Blake, I've tweeted out that you are the first singer.
And the first comment is from Autism Capital, who wrote, my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
Okay, we got the clip.
Brutal.
141.
Mikey's struggle boxing.
He's all like, it's so hot.
I can't be cool like the security guys who have full suits.
Or Blake, who's got his ridiculous Macy's blazer.
I was going to say, like, you've gotten more, you've gotten more mileage out of that blazer than anything I've ever seen in my life.
It's a great blazer.
People like it.
I'm not going to wear them because that's like your, it's the economy.
It's my favorite blazer.
It's nice.
People comment on it.
Like, where's the Macy's blazer?
Yeah, I think I bought it from, it was like $50 or something at Macy's.
It was great.
Wait, why were you holding a microphone?
We were recording the events, and I'm glad we did, of course, because that was, of course, the last weekend.
We had Charlie, of course.
It's providential that we had a microphone and everything.
No, I know, but we're not.
Because Charlie would just walk around in Asia and be like, Blake, tell me about that.
Tell me about that.
And Blake was talking.
Yeah, we were at Gyongsongpung, however, Palace in Seoul.
And he'd be like, Blake, tell us about this.
And so I would tell him about.
I mean, this clip is in Korea.
It's all about.
That one's in Seoul in Korea.
That's in Seoul.
Okay.
Even you called it ridiculous.
You said this is my ridiculous Macy's blazer.
Yeah, it's great.
I love it.
People love it.
People say the blazer is great.
No one says any other blazer that I own is great, especially because I never wear one.
There is that one suit that Blake wears that it's actually quite nice.
I want to see this.
I mean, again, no homo, but like there's there's a suit that Blake has.
It's got a nice cut to it.
He looks nice when it's on.
He looks nice.
Just going to say that.
No, I'm not, I'm totally, totally, you know, at one with myself, so I don't mind saying that.
But then again, I don't go clothes shopping with Mikey.
So what did you guys do?
Was it a good shopping trip?
Did you go out afterwards?
Did you get a bunch of different things?
We did get Boba.
Mikey, now you're digging.
Now you're digging a slightly deep hole here.
Oh, I must do it.
I have to dig deeper at this point.
We got Boba together.
Boba, Boba, Blake.
Okay, at this point, we need to.
We should probably mention that it was not just the two of us, right?
No, no, no.
We had Danny with us.
Yeah.
Yes, it was.
No, we had a third person there.
That makes it more defensive.
Was it a male or a female?
Third wheel?
It was a man.
Oh, well, that doesn't make it better.
Yeah, it does.
Bros go and shop at the Scottsdale Mall all the time.
That's a thing.
Yeah.
I don't know.
You know what that reminds me?
That reminds me of the opening scene of I don't think bro shopping is a thing, guys.
I don't think we're going to take a camera next time we go bro shopping, and we're going to prove you guys wrong.
That reminds me of the opiate stand Zoolander of all the male models all shopping together.
We're going to vlog our bro shopping.
God's damn.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Bro shopping.
I've never seen Zoolander, but I still.
They're all dancing on the bottom.
I've never seen it either.
You never see Zoolander?
No.
I don't know what Trap is.
Again, those are like non-heterosexual male models.
I don't know what Trap is.
I've never seen Zoolander.
What else?
No, I will say that I actually just had this.
You think bro shopping is totally with Bob.
Now, did you all get Boba?
Did you share one?
Did you have like one Boba with multiple straws?
We did each get our own.
So I think that's a little less homo.
But did you share?
No.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Bro shop.
That'd be really good.
You know what they say about a guy who drinks another man's boba?
Yeah.
I'm going to be straight up.
I think Boba is right in there.
And again, I'm not saying this to be offensive.
I'm sorry, Blake.
I know you like Boba.
But I just think Boba is right up there with Lord of the Rings.
Like, in questionable.
What?
Super questionable.
Oh, what do you mean?
Lord of the Rings is questionable.
Oh, Tyler thinks Lord of the Rings is the gayest thing in the world.
Oh, actually, I watched Lord of the Rings for the first time ever.
We have that whole thing.
Lord of the Rings is super straight.
This is not.
It doesn't matter.
Wait, you watched Lord of the Rings with Charlie?
For the first time ever.
And it was when we were in Florida, Palm Beach, and I walk in.
He was on Shabbat.
And he was like, hey, do you have Advil or something?
I was like, yeah, I have some.
And I brought it to his room.
And I was like, what are you doing?
He's like, watching Lord of the Rings.
I go, I've never seen it.
He goes, you never seen it?
And he just freaks out.
He's like, sit down right now.
And so for the next like six hours, we watched two of the movies.
Wait, was this?
Wait, what?
This was like two months ago.
Yeah, this was in like December.
It's really hard for me to imagine.
I imagine after we argued about this, probably after, I think, December January.
So wait, so Lord of the Rings, Charlie was proactively watching Lord of the Rings, maybe in response to us arguing about the probably is what it was because he never watched movies ever when we were traveling.
And nowhere he turns on this three-hour film.
No, we had a full argument about is Lord of the Rings actually a gay ballad.
What?
No, for the record, this was like one of the episodes.
This was one of the few episodes that I was not on.
We got a huge fight over there.
It was like a big battle.
I would be with Blake because I don't think that Lord of the Rings is gay.
I just don't Google it.
I'm going to ask you guys.
I remember the episode.
But it's not gay.
It's just not gay.
Because there's people who want to read all this stuff into it.
And they do it with ancient, you know, mythological stories and ancient history and things.
Oh, this guy was definitely gay because, look, they were friends.
And it's like, no, that's not true at all.
No, Lord of the Rings, Lord of the Rings.
And, you know, Frodo is a good one.
But if it was made today, it would have been a good thing.
Frodo gets a mithril vest as he's on the journey.
So in a sense, Lord of the Rings is a 100% straight male shopping journey.
Well, ChatGPT is now the chat has turned against me.
They're like, it is gay, Jack.
No, I don't.
I told you.
In all seriousness, I must stand in the breach against the gayification of 100% straight American cultural touchstones.
Yeah.
Like Lord of the Rings.
I'm with you.
But ChatGPT says it can absolutely resonate through a homo rhetoric.
They do that with everything.
They do that with everyone.
They do that with Shakespeare.
They do that with Abraham Lincoln.
Well, Shakespeare is very gay, too.
No, no, he's not.
Shakespeare is super straight.
No, Shakespeare has a lot of gayness around it.
What?
That's not true.
What are you talking about?
Defamation.
DJ Galloway donated and said.
Is literally just getting on the chat to say, I feel like this is heading towards Lord of the Rings.
Oh, did it ever?
Oh, did it ever?
Tyler, why do you think everything is gay other than bro shopping?
You're like, he's like, Boba's gay.
Lord of the Rings, gay.
No, that's how this came up.
This is how this came.
Wait, first off, Shakespeare's sexuality is constantly a topic of debate.
I just asked.
No, it's only a topic because, like, people trying to push it.
I'll tell you why Boba's gay.
A little bit.
All right.
A little bit gay.
All right.
All right.
Give us the book.
First off, men shouldn't drink with straws.
Why?
Okay.
No.
Yeah, that's offensive to Charlie.
Charlie had this rule where he would only drink an iced cold drink with a straw.
Well, no, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that it's just calling Charlie gay.
No, you're calling Charlie.
Here's what I have a problem with when it comes to Boba.
You shouldn't have a straw drink as a dude where you're like trying to suck these things through the straw.
Like, that's just a weird look.
It's like not good.
Like, you can't look at a dude like drinking a straw and be like, that is, that is a very straight activity.
It's not a straight activity.
It's just not.
What about sucking like those floats?
Those balls like float.
How do you wait?
No, no, Tyler.
I've watched people do that.
I'm like, that is really weird.
What show am I on?
It's weird.
It's just weird.
It's not straight.
What about it?
Root beer float.
That's ice cream.
That's ice cream and you drink with the strawberry.
Yeah.
I think trying to suck, you know, a shake through a straw is also weird.
You should use a spoon.
What about like the small straws just for like soda?
Like that?
Like, that's like a weird look.
That's like not okay.
I'm just warning you.
Don't do it.
They look weird doing it.
The chat is not with the chat is not with people.
I'm not looking at the chat.
Delicious.
It takes a secure man to enjoy some boba.
Yeah.
That's what, yeah, I'm seeing that.
I'm straight.
I love straws.
I could suck a milkshake through a straw.
We went down a dark place.
That's the greatest Anderson drive.
I drink you a milkshake.
Yeah.
So to circle back to all right, so I won the chat on Lord of the Rings, but not an icy boba.
Tyler, you don't have an icy drink.
Is there something wrong with drinking icy?
That's fine.
That's fine.
You have to use a straw to drink that.
Well, you have to use a straw to drink it.
I'm not completely anti-straw.
I'm saying the topic, do not change the topic.
Boba.
Sounds like you're not all there.
All right.
I will point out, like, the way you have it at a proper place, they seal the whole cup and you like stab it with the big straw.
That feels like a pretty hoorah, like military way.
Stabbing part.
Yeah, stabbing's great.
Yeah.
Stabbing the straw.
Yeah.
Yeah.
See, I remember, I remember, like, I'd be in China like almost 20 years ago, and that's where I first started drinking it.
And they called it, they call it bubble tea over there, sir, or pearl bubble tea, like Zhenju Nai Ta, bubble, bubble milk tea.
And, you know, it's, it was like super popular on campus.
Like, everybody would have it.
I think it started in Taiwan.
I'm not sure.
I was having it in Shanghai.
And it's just kind of normal.
Like, everybody had it.
It's fine.
D-Good 2020 says, like, everything's.
Charlie would be telling you guys to get back on top of it.
He probably would.
He probably would.
So let's go back to the big topic of emphasis on big.
We have Katie Porter.
Katie Porter.
So we're getting like all the knives out for Katie, which that's what I really love about this.
Yes.
So people are resurfacing.
This is a profile of her from 2023 where the Washington Post just found some staffers of her and they were all terrified to even say anything.
This is a direct quote from this is an article by Dan Zach, 2023 in the Washington Post about Porter.
Here we get into tricky territory.
My chat with the ex-staffer was revealing.
It prompted me to reach out to others.
Four people, each formerly in Porter's employee or orbit, that's what it says.
Four people in her orbit told me about upsetting experiences working for her that spanned her first three and a half years in Congress.
Three additional former staffers told similar stories to one of my Washington Post colleagues.
But to define the credibility of these seven sources or to specify their allegations of bad bossness is to give away their identities, which they do not want.
Nobody wants to go public in ways they might regret.
So in three and a half years in Congress, as a House member, House members don't have that big of a staff.
There are seven different people who had testimony who were willing to speak to reporters about how bad of a boss, you know, get out of my shot Katie Porter was.
And now they like, and now they're making her this rising star of the party.
It's, it's actually, it's, it's really hilarious.
You can't really call yourself a man and vote for Katie Porter.
Well, luckily she's running in California.
That's what I'm saying.
Oh, but I'm saying in California, like no man can vote for Katie Porter.
Yeah.
I think Tony Atkins is running too.
And they look, they kind of look alike.
She's going to win, though.
She's going to win the Democrat nomination.
Yeah, Tony Atkins.
They don't even have to be able to do that.
I mean, it's not supports the jungle.
Whoa.
But it's basically going to be Democrat versus Republican always in the statewides because the Dems don't split each other enough.
But this might be a moment where enough people get annoyed with her and dislike her enough where she comes in the second place spot.
It would be really cool if the Dems split each other enough in California got to a point where it becomes a real problem for their top two situation.
It's probably not going to happen, but that's, I mean, Katie's bad.
She's like a really bad candidate.
Really ugly person.
Inside.
Inside.
I think that's about.
All right.
I think that's about all we can say about that topic.
Do we want to talk about this?
think we should hit that so we this is another one that we hit recently but it's it's really time for like maybe one more maybe one more time i think I think we should hit this.
I think Charlie would be into this.
He would be really into the meta stuff about this.
So this is Hassan Piker, who would have been debating Charlie at Dartmouth two weeks ago.
We were looking forward to that one.
I'm very genuinely very sad.
We'll never get to see it.
But Hassan Piker, he's been touted as the left's Joe Rogan answer.
He's been touted as the left's Charlie Kirk, actually, in one very dumb NPR segment.
But he's getting in trouble because we'll play the clip here.
Let's play 129.
Of all of America's much more consequential violence.
Okay?
It's the same reason as the why America.
Kaya, please just go just stop.
Jesus Christ, what are you doing?
You're being such a baby.
Use the Lord's name in Vane.
Don't love to hear that.
Yeah, well, he's from Turkey.
But, yeah, so for those who can't tell what's going on, it appears his dog, which he wanted to just be parked in the background for his entire eight-hour stream, I guess.
It tried to move up towards him.
And so he reaches to something, and it appears he triggers a shot collar on the dog to zap it like you would with an invisible fence.
And a lot of people are not liking this at all.
I think if there's one great constant in America, it's a lot of normal Americans, they like dogs.
And I think they would even say that hurting a dog is more revealing of your character to a lot of people than hurting a human or any other view you might hold.
People really like dogs.
And Hassan does not like dogs, apparently.
Well, first, I just want to give that dog a pet.
You know, I feel so bad.
Anyways, this person's saying he's from Turkey.
What does that have to do with it?
Well, he's from an Islamic country, like we were saying.
They don't love him.
taking the lord's name in vain because like how are dogs yeah how are dogs uh treated in across the They eat them a lot.
No, no, no.
Not in the Middle East.
They eat themselves.
They for sure eat them.
I don't think they eat.
I don't think they do that.
They eat them in East Asia.
Vietnam eats dogs.
In Russia, they kill dogs and turn them into hats and they eat them.
And it's not the Russians doing it.
Are you sure about that one?
I've never heard of that.
Now, you could in Korea in the world.
I'm very sure you can.
I'm not going to name which people that have immigrated into Russia do that, but I'm 100%.
They talk about it.
When I was there, they would openly talk about it.
They'd be like, oh, yeah.
They'd be like, this isn't real whatever fur.
They'd be like, that's dog fur.
You got to just.
Those guys ate it, and then they make it into hats and they sell it in the bazaar.
Now I'm looking at the map.
Okay, it is legal to eat dogs.
They eat dogs in the Middle East.
It's just the thing.
But isn't dog considered haram?
I don't know.
It has to.
Depending on how Islamic a certain country is.
Well, Saudi Arabia is legal.
I'm pretty sure it's considered Turkish.
It says.
I want to be fair too, because you said something.
Hassan Piker was born in New Jersey, which is basically the Middle East, but it's not.
Okay, apparently.
I'm just kidding.
New Jersey.
I mean, he was raised in Turkey.
And I'll be in New Jersey.
By the way, I'll be in New Jersey tomorrow for Jack Chitterelli.
We're holding a rally out there for him, getting involved in that race with Benny, with Scott Presser, with Cliff Maloney.
So anyone out there who's watching this live, please come on out.
North Wildwood Seaport.
We're going to be there and full security drones will be there.
And hope to see you.
Apparently we're going to be doing a rally as well as a bit of drugs.
Well, apparently, all carnivorous animals are haram in Islam.
Or like carnivorous animals with fangs, so wolves, dogs.
I've just learned something.
Thank you, Blake.
So that's why they eat them.
So I'm surprised.
Apparently, I've seen a map which says it's legal in Saudi Arabia, but that surprises me because Saudi Arabia is usually.
I've been in places where they've said certain cultures.
I'm not going to name which cultures.
They pointed directly at the people and they said, that guy eats all the dogs.
And then he turns them into hats.
I was there.
They pointed at a guy.
They're like, that guy.
And I'll never forget it.
They pointed at the guy.
And that shouldn't be okay in America.
That's why you're seeing some brutality.
However, Hassan is from New Jersey.
Yeah.
And there needs to be.
Yeah, New Jersey.
And New Jersey needs to be one back from the dog haters.
American dog lovers need to take back New Jersey.
Vote for Jack.
This could be a campaign.
And say no to Hassan and his breed of people who attack dogs like the way that he has.
Hassan putting a shot collar on that poor little dog.
Terrible.
Treating it the way that he's treated it, terrible.
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I do think there is something to this idea.
It's very funny because Piker said a lot of unhinged things.
He said his favorite flag is the Hezbollah flag.
We have that clip if we want to play it.
Yeah, he actually did say that.
Yeah, actually, let's just play it.
136.
Let's talk about our favorite flags.
Oh, like overall, what my favorite flag?
Yeah, Hezbollah.
Look it up.
Oh.
I'm not even kidding.
It's actually a dope flag.
I don't know flags.
It's a, this is a.
You know what?
I'm going to be brave.
My favorite flag.
It's got an AK on it and a hand holding it up.
Wow.
Son.
Or, or, or.
We might have to cut this.
We're behind the paywall.
It's fine.
Hezbollah's flag looks kind of stupid, by the way.
At a distance, it looks kind of like an oil rig or something.
Yeah, it does.
And when you zoom in, it's got like a globe on it.
It looks like, other than the AK that's on it, it kind of looks like some UN agency from the 70s.
But so beyond all that, like, Blake, I want to get Blake in on this because, and by the way, for the record, even though, yes, I lived in East Asia for two years, I have never knowingly eaten dog.
I have no idea if I have or not, honestly, because sometimes you're in some places where it's and they're not going to tell you the truth anyway, but I've never knowingly.
There were some people who sought it out when I would go over, but you know, other like expats that went, I didn't.
Blake, walk us through, though.
What does it say about, like, like, like, I grew up as a dog lover.
My family grew up loving dogs, having dogs.
Everyone, you know, almost everyone I know has, you know, either had a dog or had a pet.
What does it say that there are people now coming into the country who hate dogs and are willing to mistreat dogs?
It really is, at a minimum, it is a microcosm of other changes that we can recognize.
You know, there's a lot of, you know, norms in America that were kind of, we would say were traditionally American, love of fair play, love of like good sportsmanship.
Some of that stuff has fallen into abeyance.
And also just attitude towards animals is actually a very traditional, it's one of our most one of the most English parts of our heritage.
The English historically loved animals.
So many of our favorite dog and horse and other animal breeds, they come from England.
England has this rich tradition of animal husbandry and especially animals that are service animals.
Like, look up where your favorite dog breed was bred.
And there's very good odds it came from the British Isles somewhere.
The border collie, I believe, was the border of like England and Scotland, probably.
And stuff like that.
And as a result, we also have this rich tradition of appreciating animals.
We don't like the idea of, you know, slaughtering Fido to eat him.
We don't like the idea of slaughtering black beauty to eat him either.
And all the breeds of, correct me if I'm wrong, you probably know all about this.
And, you know, this is why I'm asking you, Drink this question.
Europe is really the home for the creation of all these different breeds, right?
So it's kind of like high society.
It was like, what years were like, did that become like a thing where like they were trying to create all these different types of breeds of dogs and respecting them as like pets and including them on hunting and they were like kind of just treated as high society animals, right?
Well, probably, probably, probably like the 1800s and even prior because I feel like there was like 1516.
If you want, you know, a fun name, a fun thing, there's actually an ancient text we have from ancient Greece, actually.
It's called Cynogeticus, and it's by Xenophon, ancient Greek guy.
And it's basically translated as kind of is translated as related to hunting, but they'll sometimes say hunting with dogs.
And he has a long list of names that he thinks are good names for dogs in it, some of which are like still around today.
Okay, some of these actually sound like they're superheroes or something, members of the X-Men.
And we have ancient European accounts of the loyalty of dogs.
And of course, the Odyssey.
You ever read The Odyssey?
Yes.
Yeah.
In the Odyssey, Odysseus returns home to Ithaca, and no one can recognize him, but his faithful dog, which has been waiting for him to return for 20 years, recognizes his master and then immediately expires.
And so we've been getting emotional dog loyalty stuff in Western literature for literally 3,000 years.
So by the way, one of my favorite pieces of this, though, that I was going to reference is, are you familiar?
Are you guys familiar with that breed of hunting dog called the Borzoi?
I don't know if that's how you say it.
But they're, so, and if you could pull up a, you know, maybe like a picture of it.
So the Borzoi, they're a Russian dog.
And just anyone can go and Google, why are there so few Borzoi?
And just go look up this up in Google, Chat GPT, wherever you want to go, whatever AI you want.
And you look it up, why are there so few Borzoi?
And it says, there are so few, few Borzois, because the Russian Revolution led to the mass slaughter of the dogs due to their association with the aristocracy.
The breed went nearly extinct, surviving only in a few kennels and through dogs that had been exported to other countries.
So because they were bred as the noble Russian hunting dogs and were considered a symbol of the aristocracy during the Bolshevik Revolution, the Bolsheviks would just slaughter the dogs.
So I don't even know how many, tens of thousands of these dogs were just killed.
Obviously, like they're a dog.
They have nothing to do with upholding, you know, quote unquote patriarchy or monarchy or any of the things they're fighting against.
But this is what the Marxists would do.
They would go so far as to slaughter the dogs that were considered like the dogs of the Romanovs.
And this is how insane and disgusting the Bolsheviks were that they literally killed these dogs almost into extinction.
It's one of the craziest facts that I've ever, I mean, there's so many crazy things about the insane atrocities of the Bolsheviks, but that one is.
But the chat also points out Proverbs 12, 10 and the Bible says the righteous care for the needs of their animals, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel.
No, we always talked about when we were in Boy Scouts, we always had a couple of things that we do at church, and we would talk about treating other people with dignity and respect and everything else.
We would always add on because we always talked about treating women and children with respect, but then also small animals.
We always added that up.
That's right.
Again, the number one thing that's an identifier of someone with really that has like really dark, really bad places is that they kill small animals, that they mess around with small animals.
That's like a, I think that's even a serial killer tells you stuff when you're a child.
And it's like the triad of things that might make you a grow a psychopath or whatever when you grow up.
And two of them I know are if you have pyromania as a kid.
And then I think also if you have the history of cruelty to animals, like they would torture animals when they were children.
You know, I think a lot of kids mess around with like ants or something, but with actual small, you know, cats, dogs, rats, raccoons, stuff like that.
Wow.
And so.
Well, there's also something too, because like when you're, you know, like a mammal, right?
And, you know, I think in high school, you, you have to do the, you know, we did like the fetal pig, the autopsy and things like that, but you know, the cat autopsy.
And, you know, but, but when you're doing it to an animal that's already alive, or I should say still alive, when you're, when you're torturing that, the closer you get to something that resembles like a human, it's, it's the more disgusting it is.
And, you know, again, just I, I, I think about these dogs that were tortured during the Bolshevik Revolution.
And you think like, what kind of a monster does that just because they want to cause pain?
They know it causes pain.
And dogs are very, obviously high, um, you know, high consciousness animals.
And so to do something that you, you want to cause pain in the dog, it's, it's, it's monstrous.
It's absolutely monstrous.
And so, you know, look, this is something where I think you've actually seen like a lot of people on the left and the right just call this out because it's, it's, you know, and he blake, he had a response, right?
Yes, he did.
Let's get that one up here one moment.
His response, let's play that.
It is 131.
This is the one that people are talking about.
Okay.
This is the one.
This is the this is the one that they saw.
It has the capacity to vibrate.
And that's it.
Are you happy that it has the capacity to vibrate?
And that's it.
This person is being abusive if they only saw that clip.
It doesn't matter.
And this will not go away for the record.
I hadn't seen that.
That's amazing.
Hassan Piker hates dogs.
He does.
I just.
So wait, wait, I couldn't.
Where I'm sitting, I couldn't read with the screenshots.
It was zooming in on the electrical shock.
It had like electrical tape on it.
And they were showing some product description that made it clear it actually was electrical and look.
To be fair, have you ever heard of vibrating colors?
That's a thing.
No, to be, yeah, but to be fair, shock collars, I completely, I'm not saying that they're wrong.
I think they, like, if you have a big dog and you let him out to run around like on big landscape or for their own safety.
You have an electrical, an invisible fence around your home.
So they don't run into the road or whatever.
But there's nobody saying you should protect your dog.
And then there's zap your dog because it's walking out of your like preferred frame shot on your eight hour live.
This is a Pomeranian.
It really is.
This is a Pomeranian.
Why are you shutting up?
I'm very small.
No, this is the same thing as Katie Porter.
It's like her screaming at the staffer with like, she wants to put a shot collar on her staffers saying like, you need to get out of my shot.
You're ruining my shot.
You're ruining my shot.
It's the same mentality.
You're ruining my shot, my shot.
And that's a dog.
The dog has to be right here.
That's the shot.
It's eating exactly.
Wait, I thought Hassan's dog was a.
I thought Hassan's dog was a Pomeranian.
I have no idea.
I don't know dogs.
You should call a Pomeranian.
No, that's way bigger than that.
No, where it was to do in life is a series of choices.
Is that not it walking in the background?
Dude, Pomeranian this big.
That looks like a chow.
No, it's not a chow chow.
No, palms are like way smaller.
That's not Pomeranian.
That is not a Pomeranian.
That's a tiny.
What are you talking about?
It's on like a treadmill in the background.
That's not, that's, I think, I think you're mistaken on how.
Oh, I thought it was like on the desk right next to him.
No, no.
Oh, this entire time, I thought he was shocking a Pomeranian.
Wait, PETA.
PETA has released a statement.
Oh, my gosh.
It's like a, it's like a, what do they call those dogs?
I don't know.
So someone put in the chat, what's the dog?
What's that?
What's the second?
Someone says a very overweight chow chow.
Oh, it's still not a huge dog.
It's clearly not like running around outside.
He lives in like New York City, doesn't he?
I have no idea.
He lives in the city.
I just hope he doesn't live anywhere near me.
It's not like that dog's running away.
My whole point is, I think he lives in the city.
He lives in an apartment.
Doesn't he?
He just wants in the shot.
That's all he wants.
So he puts a shot collar on his dog to not run out of his room?
Yeah, I guess he's not going to be able to do it.
And then he's justification for it after the fact.
He's like, my dog, she's just had the ability to walk all over my house.
And now that I'm back in town, she shouldn't be able to do that anymore.
I'm looking it up, by the way.
Some people are saying that the dog's name is Kaya.
Chow Chow.
And no, they're actually saying part or mostly Tibetan mastiff.
That's an interesting mix.
I don't know dog breeds that well.
I will not claim any expertise on that.
Yeah, like Chow Chow and Tibetan Mastiff.
So that's my.
I did not have a dog growing up.
My family actually replaced me with a dog.
True story.
Like, I went to college and I hadn't encountered Charlie yet.
I didn't know it was a scam.
So I go to college, and all of a month later, they replace me with an animal.
Wow, Blake.
I think they liked the animal better than me, to be honest.
So I got the download here, just googling it.
Hassan Piker lives.
Oh, he did live in LA.
Oh, he's close to us then.
So he does have a house.
I don't like that.
He does have a house, so he doesn't live in an apartment.
So I'm going to recant that statement.
I thought he lived in the city or whatever.
Years ago, I think when Charlie debated, I feel like he said something about living in the city or something.
I can't remember.
Just for clarification, this is what a Pomeranian looks like.
I sent them the picture.
Pomerania is a Pomeranian.
That is a Pomeranian.
That is what Tyler thought the dog was.
No, I mean, to be fair, I thought it looked like a that's not what a normal Pomerania looks like.
A normal Pomerania looks like this.
Yes, it is.
That's exactly what that is.
That is the same current.
It's just a slightly different color.
From here, I haven't seen that clip before we got on the show of Hassan.
So I only have a tiny little screen that's like 10 feet away from me.
And it looked like it was a desk return.
Do you need like vision corrections?
No, I have actually great vision.
I just was like, it doesn't look like a palm to me, and I'm equally distant from it.
No, from here, if you look from about 10 feet away, it looks like that's a desk return and a Pomerania walking next to him.
You know, I have taken off my corrective lenses, and I still don't think it's a Pomeranian, Tyler.
Whatever.
Lord of the Rings is still gay.
This is not.
And straws, I guess.
And having Pomeranians.
Yeah.
If you're shot in the middle of the moment, I like the horseshoe of getting this back to, you know, ruining the shot with Hassan, ruining the shot with Katie.
It's a good way to horseshoe back to another thing we forgot to mention with our friend Katie, which is we have text messages, 357, if you want to put them on screen.
But she went nuts and fired a staffer over COVID protocol.
So I'll read this.
Why?
No, I remember when testing?
It's really disappointing.
And the staffer says, I'm terribly sorry.
You're right.
I should have done better.
Just because I felt okay in the moment doesn't mean that I was.
And then she replies the following day.
Wait, Blake, can you do Katie's voice in the metal voice?
Sasha!
I cannot allow you back in the office.
Given your failure to follow office policies, Cody will be in touch about having your personal effects shipped or delivered to your home and will lay out your remote work schedule for your last few weeks.
And then the staffer replies, I understand.
Thank you for the last two years and all that I have learned.
I hate to have disappointed you in this manner, as I know it isn't an excuse.
I had found out my friend from the Navy had been murdered and my head was not in the best place.
That is not an excuse, but the reasoning for my lack of forethought.
I appreciate everything this office has done for me.
And she replies to this, my friend was murdered.
I apologize.
Well, you gave me COVID in 25 months.
It took you not following the rules to get me sick.
My children have nobody to care for them.
Which, on top of that, like, I guess she's not able to get a babysitter or something to help.
Maybe she ran, scared all of them away or ate all of the babysitters, something like that.
Both are possible.
What a.
The way they text is so performative and Like, just over the top and disgusting, and LARPing, and theater kid, like Harry Potter speak.
It's, it's, it's everywhere.
Man, this is this is like the glee kids again.
And that, man, I remember talking about with Charlie.
It's like, that was the perfect, we, we totally got this.
It was glee and high school musical and the Harry Potter all mixed together.
And that's where you get like the Katie Porters and the Gen Sockies and all of this like phenotype that constantly comes out.
They're always potato shaped.
Not a lie.
It's also not an insult.
It's just true.
It's just true.
They just look like potatoes.
They're potato people.
And the potato people all come from this exact same place and somehow are like in massive leadership roles all throughout the Democrat Party and like HR departments everywhere.
You know, Katie, Katie Porter was from kind of the same part of the country as Tim Walls.
Not from Minnesota, but like from, I think she's from northern Iowa.
Oh, yeah, Tim Wall's dispersion.
She looks like a Harry Potter.
She looks like she's from north of the border.
You know, not whoa, Canadian.
Whoa, let's not let's not say things we can't take back, even about our opponents.
No, like a liberal, a liberal Canadian, a very liberal.
Conservative Canadians are great.
They're attractive, fun, whatever.
Actually, I had a really great phone call with the best of the best in Canada and Alberta, Premier Danielle Smith today, who's incredible.
Conservative Canadians are great.
She looks like a lib Canadian.
Actually, by the way, I'm pulling something up here.
According to Newsweek, according to News, so Newsweek had this article up, and I was looking at the polls in California because people kept saying that she looked like she was going to, you know, at least win the primary.
And this isn't a primary poll, but it's a general election poll.
There is a new poll out by Zogby that says that, yes, Katie Porter is beating the other Democrats.
She is actually behind Steve Hilton, our friend Steve Hilton, who has been running as a Republican.
And she's losing, she's behind him by six points.
So she's at, yeah, it says she is at, hold on, where is it?
He's at 29 and she's at 23 in a general election.
And another 23% say undecided.
That's crazy.
So Steve Hilton, so maybe we actually should be supporting Katie Porter right now.
Guys, we may have had this completely wrong.
She's beatable, is what you're saying.
I'm saying that the potato may be baked.
I think, do we have anything else to say about that?
I got nothing.
No, I'm just saying we should be, I think we should activate, guys, guys.
All right.
All right.
We're doing it again.
We're going rogue.
Turning point USA goes in.
We go all in, all in.
Well, turning point action on the on Tyler.
What do you say?
We go all in for Katie Porter.
We should be like chasing ballots for her.
I was just tweeting.
I just tweeted.
Katie Porter's the only person in California history that makes me want to move to awful commie California just to vote against her.
Like she's the first person that makes me guys are way more self-sacrificial on this point.
I changed my voting from California to Arizona to vote.
For good.
Maybe I should switch back.
No, don't.
Don't do that.
It's not that dream.
I would.
You guys want to.
We need you for Andy Biggs.
But the last thing I'm going to do is move closer to something controlled by Katie Porter.
Katie Porter is as governor and the next governor.
Imagine, imagine get out of my shot lady as the governor of a state with 40 million people.
Mom Donnie in New York and Katie Porter in California.
Like that is disgusting.
Like that is a terrible.
I'm telling you though, there's something about her where it's like, guys, she's beatable.
She's totally court.
What do you mean there's something about her?
Look at her for two seconds.
It's like, that is that.
Look at, I mean, just look at that.
There is, there's no, like, in terms of like the youths, right?
Like, that is, she is getting swiped left.
You know, that was a swipe left all day long.
Swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, left.
Nobody likes her.
There's no way you can look at her.
There's no male in California that can look at that and go, I think I'm going to vote for that.
There's no way.
I just don't believe it.
There's no way.
There just needs to be one campaign, a really simple campaign, which is, men, you cannot disrespect yourself enough to actually vote for that.
Vote for anything else.
Anything.
Anyone else?
Just not that.
Absolutely horrific.
I don't know if we have any other words of wisdom here, but I think on that note, we might have to, might have to close it up for the night.
So remember, by the way, make sure you are keeping subscribed to the podcast here.
Thought crime will continue.
We'll go around the room.
But first, the website again for the American Halftime Show, it's AmericanHalftimeshow.com.
We are not going to be watching the sporting event.
We are going to be watching the all-American halftime show presented in 100% English, including Blake Neff's heavy metal stylings will also be completely in English because he's singing the songs of British Acts.
Whatever you say, Jack.
Never surrender.
Let's go around.
Tell everyone, everyone, shout out where they can follow you.
I have joined the X-Minds now.
So I am at Blake S-Neff or just Blake Neff on X. You can find me.
If you're a glutton for punishment like that.
Blake has like a ton of followers now, by the way.
He started.
Blake's big.
Blake's huge.
Blake's like blowing up.
Not in the bad way, though.
Not like the Katie Porter way.
Someone else's social media has been exploding, Mr. Mikey McCoy.
Well, Mikey's doing okay on X. On Instagram, he's like famous.
It's pretty crazy.
No, his Instagram is insane.
I look at it.
I'm like, man, how do I get it?
And it's 90% moms.
Incredible.
Yeah, the moms.
Oh, it's all moms.
It's my demographic.
But did they convert?
Mikey's poll.
Yeah.
You're 232,000.
You went from like, how many did you, how many did you?
I had 3,000.
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah, I did a little crazy.
Mikey.McCoy Instagram, Michael underscore McCoy on X. Yeah, you need to follow Mikey on.
And no one should be following Tyler.
It's really just an exercise in futility.
I would strongly recommend against the X. That's the opposite as Mikey.
I have X. Just follow me at X. Just Tyler Boyer at Tyler Boyer.
Yeah, Tyler.
By the way, Tyler, I've been keeping an eye on your ex replies, and I will notice sometimes if I'm on the East Coast and I get up at like 6 a.m., it'll be like Tyler Boyer still posting, like posted five minutes ago.
He's like replying to some nonsense, like some random.
Tyler is posting while doing the show.
That's right.
He's made like a guy.
He's like more tweets than since it started.
Yeah.
Well, I'm doing that.
I do that.
No, I usually comment about what we're talking about while we're on the show.
It makes it interactive.
Yeah.
And then people will DM me.
Oh, I comment about this show.
I'm mostly just tweeting crap about Tyler and Blake.
No man in California should vote for Katie Porter.
Tweet from Tyler Boyer.
Oh, no, wait.
I also tweeted that Mikey went bro shopping with Blake.
No, you didn't.
I definitely did.
Bro shopping's.
Yeah, to all my followers.
Bro shopping is definitely not a thing.
Bro shopping is the entry to Zoolander.
Just watch it.
It is the entry to Zoolander.
All right.
Ladies and gentlemen, go out there and commit more fuck ride.