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| My name is Charlie Kirk. | |
| I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic. | |
| My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. | |
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| Ladies and gentlemen, it is time once again for Thought Crime Thursday, ladies and gentlemen. | |
| Welcome aboard. | |
| Welcome to Thought Crime IRL, where I am joined by my esteemed colleague, Andrew Colvet. | |
| Andrew. | |
| Hola, que tal. | |
| No I hablado mucho español as uno de cada mas, pero and we are joined now by, of course, Tim Poole. | |
| I never introduced myself, Monshow. | |
| Welcome to Timcast IRL. | |
| In fact, it's actually uh thought crime IRL. | |
| We have joined forces to do something uh strange and crazy. | |
| And we hit a we hit a bit of a snag on the way in. | |
| This is what happens. | |
| I think we're streaming to like eight channels. | |
| It's it's nuts, and we are like, hey, let's do something really big and crazy. | |
| Uh so we did. | |
| We do have big news. | |
| Elon Musk is going nuclear on these uh woke NGOs that have been smearing, lying about people, and inflaming tensions. | |
| He's been tweeting, retweeting, and what did he say? | |
| He said the SPLC is guilty of incitement against Charlie Kirk. | |
| I mean it's provably. | |
| Guilty of incitement. | |
| I definitely want to talk about censorship because uh we won. | |
| They unbanned our Joe Rogan, Alex Jones as well. | |
| We'll get into that. | |
| But uh that was the last crossover that you know here we are again. | |
| Here we are. | |
| So uh, I mean, let's get into it. | |
| This Elon Musk, you want you want to take it? | |
| Well, wait, wait, wait, there's one more person here. | |
| Oh, yeah, I'm the minority here, really. | |
| I don't know everyone here. | |
| Well, you're Polish, you're in the majority. | |
| Well, actually, we're the majority right now. | |
| I'm the I think I'm the only immigrant here, but anyway, or Ale. | |
| Uh, Lukardowski YouTube.com forward slash we are changed. | |
| Lots to talk about. | |
| The SPLC has been attacking me since 2010. | |
| So I'm very happy that now we are trending towards finally holding them accountable for lawsuit against them. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I mean, this so what what Elon Musk, by the way, this is ongoing. | |
| Um Elon Musk has basically declared war on the SPLC, and he he he basically did so yesterday, right, was the ADL's day, and today has become the SPLC's day, and it's so pressured, and Elon Musk is really driving this train. | |
| Yesterday we saw the FBI uh sever their relationship with the ADL and a number of people, including the great uh Greek, you know, he's a demigod, really, Pericles Periobassi of Chicago, who was proudly married to a woman, by the way, Alpha Male. | |
| And he dug up the fact that not only was the ADL going after a turning point, but he dug up the fact, and Elon has actually just retweeted this, that on the day before Charlie Kirk was assassinated, the SPLC included him and turning point USA in their monthly hate watch newsletter. | |
| And he wrote the SPLC has blood on their hands. | |
| So that's great, Periabassi. | |
| Uh I started tweeting about that. | |
| Andrew started tweeting about that, and then Andrew, you found a tweet, and this is what's so crazy, because we said ADL was number one and SPLC was number two. | |
| Yeah. | |
| You found a tweet from someone uh from a couple years ago. | |
| Who was that? | |
| And what was that tweet? | |
| This was this was great. | |
| This was from Charlie. | |
| In it with the date was I think we have this tweet, guys. | |
| I'll I'll uh I just flagged it for him just to make sure they get it. | |
| But it says, whatever it was in the past, today the ADL is a hate group that dons a religious mask to justify stoking hatred of the left's enemies. | |
| There it is right there. | |
| I believe in the First Amendment and free speech as a principle regardless of what the law says. | |
| I don't want to ban anyone's speech, but the ADL has no place extorting ex Twitter, or any other social media companies, nor should it dictate to federal law enforcement agencies what hate speech is. | |
| The ADL itself is America's number one purveyor of hate speech, parenthesis, and the SBLC is number two. | |
| So for those that don't know, there are a network of nonprofits, foundations or organizations that do a multitude of things. | |
| The anti-defamation league is one ADL, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the other. | |
| They do effectively the same thing. | |
| They smear people on the right. | |
| They accuse them of being the worst possible monsters or hateful or white supremacists. | |
| This is used to incite run of the mill default libs who don't know better. | |
| Because what'll happen is you'll get some corporate news outlet, and they'll say, Jack Pasobic, comma, who was called the white supremacist by the Southern Poverty Law Center, comma, says X. They can inject that into articles, and then what happens? | |
| Wikipedia editors will cite the corporate press saying Jack Bisobek is a known white supremacist, and they'll link to the corporate press. | |
| It's how they launder fake news, smears and manipulations. | |
| So when Elon is saying they incited people to murder Charlie Kirk, he is correct. | |
| Yeah, I mean, if you look at what they are doing, it's not just smearing people, they associate people with the KKK and neo-Nazis. | |
| So when they started attacking me in 2010, they were able to get a group of all the We Are Change chapters all around the world, groups that I didn't even know existed, and they're like, okay, here's We Are Change. | |
| Here's the KKK, and here's where the KKK is located, and here's a We Are Change chapter. | |
| And I'm like, what do I have to do with the KKK or the neo-Nazis? | |
| But they lumped it in, and this is where the conversation got really violent. | |
| It started in 2010, and then they started to do a Patriot hit list, and they put me on there, they put Ron Paul on there, they put Alex Jones on there, and they said, watch out for these dangerous guys. | |
| And then they went to federal and local law enforcement and they said, keep a track, keep track of these guys, spy on these guys. | |
| In 2018, they officially partnered with YouTube. | |
| In 2019, they officially partnered with PayPal, and they censored individuals who had different opinions. | |
| All I was doing is raising questions and asking questions about 9-11, working with family members, but that was somehow equated to being a neo-Nazi and working with uh the KKK. | |
| And I'll give a great example of this. | |
| So you mentioned 2010, and you know, here we are, it's 2025. | |
| In 2014, do you know who the SPLC added to their extremist hate watch list? | |
| Dr. Ben Carson. | |
| Yep. | |
| Ben Carson. | |
| In 2014. | |
| The sweet, you know, the the the you know, I remember him, you know, at the memorial just ranting and raving, you know, spreading his his his hatred and and I mean, and and then what was it? | |
| It was because you know, here he comes in as a Christian, he was standing in defense of traditional marriage, which of course is a core Christian belief, uh, of just very basic Christian belief uh about marriage, and they named him an extremist because of that. | |
| So to your point, and this is a hundred percent right, they can just basically willy-nilly label anybody, right? | |
| And then you mentioned Tim that they launder this through. | |
| So go ahead and I I just today, because I was Googling it, I was like, Charlie Kirk, SPLC. | |
| Oh wait, are we doing a are we doing a line change already? | |
| Are we doing are we lying to that yet? | |
| That's funny. | |
| Why is that music playing? | |
| Yeah, I don't know. | |
| Why would they that's that's very big. | |
| Something must be wrong in that. | |
| It's very big it is. | |
| Yeah, it's gonna be it's okay. | |
| So I Google Charlie Kirk. | |
| The original producers got deported, so it's true. | |
| Well, I'm gonna I'm the token Hispanic on the on the I'm quarter Mexican. | |
| You're quarter Mexican? | |
| People don't know this. | |
| Yeah, my grandpa said we were Spanish, though. | |
| It's a long story. | |
| Thank you. | |
| Yes. | |
| That was actually well done. | |
| Better job on the segment. | |
| All right. | |
| Wait, why did why did you start wiggling when that's on the case? | |
| I came on. | |
| I can't remember. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I changed their uh hate watch list to um enemies of the leftist revolution, just so that you know people understood what they were actually trying to say. | |
| That's exactly right. | |
| That's exactly yeah, exactly. | |
| So go I just Googled this. | |
| So throw this up, throw throw 347 up. | |
| And I found this. | |
| This is literally, I Googled it. | |
| Charlie Kirk, SBLC. | |
| This is the second article, Tim. | |
| And it's Charlie Kirk, white supremacist dead at 31. | |
| Second article that you, if you just Google Charlie Kirk, SBLC, and then of course, go to 348, you look at it, and it's like, oh, a cornerstone of supremacist logic, and they link to the SBLC. | |
| So do you see how they do it? | |
| They they just and by the way, this is seen, this has been seen, I guess, 30,000 times about. | |
| Well, back in, and then what happened in May? | |
| Yeah, well, the in May, I mean, of course, and actually, this is uh Elon Musk gave me a retweet tonight uh or a quote tweet. | |
| Let's go. | |
| And uh and by the way, thank you to Elon, seriously for taking the taking on this fight. | |
| He doesn't have to do this, and he didn't have to take on the ADL, he didn't have to buy X, he didn't have to come out here, but it was the right thing to do. | |
| And he's he's even and I just gotta say thank you on a personal level as well, because David Sachs had tweeted a thread out earlier today saying that look, when you Google Steven Miller, the very first thing that comes up is the SPLC. | |
| If you Google Jack Pasobic, the very first thing that comes up is the SPLC. | |
| And this like there's there's no rhyme or reason for this uh whatsoever. | |
| It's not like people are linking back to it, but it's always there. | |
| So Elon not only tweeted it out, he also put in the comments he CC'd um Sundar Fachai, the CEO of Google, yeah, and is like, what's going on? | |
| Well, I mean, listen, if we're if ever there is a time to get vehemently pissed off about this stuff, they just murdered Charlie. | |
| The man who should be sitting in this chair right now. | |
| And I you you know, I can't tell you that the assassin read the SPLC, you know, hate map article about turning point that was added in May. | |
| But what I can tell you is that it contributes to an ecosystem of radicalism. | |
| Yeah, and and Tim, we talked about this on your show earlier this week. | |
| It is a they, it is a they, right? | |
| You can yes, the assassin is personally responsible, but it is a they because it's part of an ecosystem of radicalization, and you're seeing it in the polling where 30% of what progressives between the age of 18 and 39 believe that violence is totally justifiable uh politically. | |
| Well, because it's one movement, and that's the issue. | |
| Do you I it's often described very interestingly what you know what what is the left and the right? | |
| And you can be a I'm you take a look at some of these people in the space. | |
| Joe Rogan's a great example, he's a bit of a lefty, he's the example, right? | |
| And they call him right wing or far right because he's not in the cult. | |
| So when you see AOC on the House floor disparaging and smearing Charlie Kirk, she is proselytizing her to her cult. | |
| She is giving a sermon to her fake non-theistic rel or toward this non-theistic religion. | |
| They're adherence to it. | |
| They when you go to their meetings, their protests, they say respect the diversity of tactics. | |
| What that means is we are all part of one movement. | |
| And here's the real secret. | |
| What they're actually saying, they'll go do and say, no, no, no, look, here's the thing. | |
| The other activists that come here and want to find out, find a way to make change the world, may not agree with you, but we're fighting for the same cause. | |
| So let them do it. | |
| What they're not telling you, those guys over there work for us. | |
| They're telling you you don't have to feel bad about the violence they commit. | |
| They're a different group. | |
| They're not. | |
| That's the game. | |
| Maybe you guys know this, but did the FBI cut their ties with the SPLC? | |
| Because they've been working with them for an extremely long time. | |
| Um if there ever was a time and opportunity to cut ties with the SPLC, it is now, but I I want to go further. | |
| Because I know that is one of the action items that we're calling for. | |
| We're calling for the FBI, we're calling for Amazon Smile, um, and and any other federal law enforcement or any of these organizations. | |
| But we should take it further, not just uh not not just to stop working with them, but I want disclosures. | |
| I want to know who the ADL was working with on the FBI with to spy on what commentator on what personality, what work were they doing? | |
| And if Cash Patel is listening, I hope he does full disclosures, not just cutting off the city. | |
| And believe it or not, so when everyone everyone remembers the uh the huge scandal for Catholics that the SPL excuse me, that the FBI was um surveilling and investigating and infiltrating Catholic groups that were you know playing the rosary a little bit too hard, and how it was completely insane to became this national scandal, that operation was shut down when Cash Patel got in, thank God. | |
| But one thing that people missed, and Elon actually or um actually just quote tweeted me because I was pulling up some of my old reporting. | |
| That investigation was predicated on an SPLC report about Catholics. | |
| So they used an SPLC article as a quote unquote what what what Luke is saying here is 100% correct, and this is just a very famous example that people have to understand where this stuff comes from. | |
| So the SPLC rates the article, then the FBI sees it and says, Oh my gosh, we have to start an investigation. | |
| Then they get approval to start infiltrating Catholic churches and spying and tracking and doing all these illegal things. | |
| It gets better. | |
| Can we uh pull up this article that I got here? | |
| This is from the post millennial. | |
| Recently pulled Apple TV show about online hate group researcher was inspired by ADL's anti-extremism work. | |
| This is the Jessica Chester show. | |
| Right, that's right. | |
| Check us out. | |
| Are you serious? | |
| This is from yeah, from postmillennial able Apple TV's polled series starring Jessica Chastain was based on ADL's research, a researcher tasked with monitoring online hate networks. | |
| The show originally scheduled to launch at the end of September was postponed. | |
| The New York Times report the tissue came after the assassination of Charlie Kirk earlier this month. | |
| So here's the funny thing. | |
| This show was basically a girl boss liberal cultist uh wet dream where she goes online and LARPs and then uh uncovers plots from white supremacist groups and then they go and and break them up. | |
| When the show got canceled, or it's polled, suspended, who knows? | |
| Maybe it'll come back. | |
| Jessica Chastain then went on Instagram and gave this long tirade about the extremists on both extremism on both sides. | |
| You know, the right did this and the left did this. | |
| It's more important than ever that we have a show like this on the air. | |
| The reality, this is how they launder culture. | |
| They create a movie about the ADL so that people who don't know better think this is what life is like. | |
| And I will stress to you guys, I know there's a lot of people watching right now. | |
| You're smarter. | |
| I get it. | |
| That's why you're watching the our show, Thought Crime, all these shows. | |
| You're a discerning individual, but there are many people in this country that think the world is like movies. | |
| Why do you think liberals want to ban silencers, suppressors? | |
| I'm sorry. | |
| Because I think they go pew pew pew, because they've never actually seen one. | |
| Right. | |
| They base their worldview off of movies. | |
| That's why they make shows like this to launder this idea of what the ADL is doing. | |
| Well, and Tim, not only that, but and and we still haven't gotten, I'd love to get by the way, like a media screener of this or something, because they pulled this show, and and Andrew, I think you remember, it was like the day after Charlie died. | |
| It was one of the first things that we saw, and no one had been talking about this show. | |
| There'd been like a meme about it, but nobody like certainly obviously we weren't in a place to think about shows. | |
| Nobody thought there was any connection between that show and Charlie Kirk. | |
| But do you remember okay? | |
| So this is a theory that's gone out since then about this show specifically. | |
| Do you remember? | |
| And Tim, I know we talked about the other night, the groiper hoax that was spread by so many on the left up to and including in in a sense, Jimmy Kimmel, that a groiper had been the one pulling the trigger to shoot and kill Charlie. | |
| Well, so many people were tweeting that out that the theory was that perhaps a screener of the savant had gone out, and what if that was a plot that had actually been in there and that's where they all got the idea from South Park, just like South Park, because they were saying, Oh, wait, there like it seemed like they were really scared about something in that show. | |
| Bro, do you know about the show Utopia? | |
| Oh, yeah, that's a while about it, but they have to have a disclosure in the beginning. | |
| Check this out. | |
| This is not real life events. | |
| There was a show that came out. | |
| I was at Amazon, I think, right? | |
| Yes. | |
| And it was about a tech billionaire who was concerned about climate change. | |
| He had produced fake meat and was trying to get people to eat it because he wanted to reduce carbon emissions. | |
| He secretly worked behind the scenes to create a pandemic scare so that he could get the government to force vaccinations on people, thinking it would vaccinate them from this pandemic, but it sterilized them instead. | |
| Yep. | |
| Population controls and when did this come out? | |
| Wait, why a couple years ago? | |
| Why is your t-shirt? | |
| Was it 2020? | |
| Why is your t-shirt uh taped? | |
| Given that story there's some kids watching, and it might not be the best and the most appropriate thing. | |
| Yeah, I'll tweet about it. | |
| No, it came out of the street. | |
| So that means it was a good one. | |
| Right before it had been produced in 2019. | |
| Yeah, like it gets better. | |
| When in 2020 was it? | |
| Did it be a good idea? | |
| Uh I don't know. | |
| I mean, to your point, it was produced in 2019. | |
| September. | |
| So it gets better. | |
| The premise of the show is all of that, but there is an individual with knowledge of the plot who wrote a comic book. | |
| And in the comic book, it reveals the plot. | |
| So the idea is if you get a copy of this this comic book, Utopia, you will know the plan the elites have for the world. | |
| What a ridiculous story. | |
| I mean, for us. | |
| We just have a TV show on Amazon about elites. | |
| Yeah, we just realized. | |
| But to go to the uh back to the topic of the SPLC, because I think it's important to talk about a couple years ago, there was a terrorist inspired event that a leftist lunatic used SPLC information in order to shoot up the family research council. | |
| Lloyd a lot of people forget that they not only put people on hit lists, but they were the inspiration for terrorist attack before. | |
| So what Elon Musk is talking about right now is of critical key importance. | |
| Cash Patel needs to get on this right now. | |
| He needs to provide disclosures. | |
| He needs to provide us information, what's happening behind the scenes, what was really going on, and why was federal police hijacked by these leftist woke institutions that literally put us on it on hit list. | |
| I was there since 2010, and I remember seeing this terrorist attack, and I'm like, I'm on that list that this lunatic looked at uh that happened in 2012. | |
| And I'm like, they just they're literally attacking me. | |
| And I tried to reach out, and they actually contacted me and they're like, you know, we'll give you the benefit of that. | |
| Let me interview you. | |
| So I I recorded the interview with the SPLC. | |
| I was like, you guys don't understand. | |
| We're raising money, we're working with first responders, we're working with family members, we're working with rescue workers, survivors, and I laid it all out. | |
| They took my quotes out of context and then wrote an article talking about how I was a violent extremist. | |
| When I never even said any of those things, I did lied and slandered me and then put me on this target list that radicals used. | |
| This reminds me of sorry, Tim, but this reminds me of I one time on one in one instance tried to work in good faith with certain SBLC person. | |
| Yeah, me too. | |
| Yeah, no, but I I just said Jack, let me see, let me see. | |
| Because they were coming after Jack, and I was like, I'm gonna just let me see. | |
| Because actually, I looked at his questions like there's really point for like an official blah blah blah. | |
| Yeah, well, no, yeah, and it was obvious explanations for the questions he was asking. | |
| We built timelines, I explained all this stuff, and we spent a lot of time. | |
| We like explained the anatomy of a meme and like put the timeline out that showed very clear. | |
| Oh, is this the uh okay hand symbol or something? | |
| It was along those lines, yeah. | |
| So I tried to do it, and then the thing came out, and it was just exactly what it was a complete smear job, hit job, and let me let me let me let me tell you guys a story. | |
| So in 2018, an article was put out by the SPLC, which included me. | |
| It was it was written about a bunch of people who are uh I guess you call them lefties, progressives. | |
| And it's called uh it was called The Multipolar Spin, How Fascists Operationalize Left Wing Resentment. | |
| What they were basically saying was here's a spattering of people who are on the left, but they're secretly fascists. | |
| I was included in this. | |
| I think I I think Max Blumenthal was included in this. | |
| And here's the best part. | |
| They called me alt-right. | |
| Uh I'm mixed race, as everyone knows, and they said that I had gone to Iran for a Holocaust deniers conference. | |
| Tim, why did you do that? | |
| You shouldn't do that. | |
| I've never been to Iran in my life. | |
| And their source read the room, Tim. | |
| An archive of a since at the time the website had been deleted. | |
| It was some blog in Iran from some Holocaust denier who wrote a thing claiming I had been to Iran, which was made up. | |
| So we actually filed a lawsuit against them. | |
| They issued an apology and took it down. | |
| Because my challenge to them was if you want to if you want to claim that I'm an alt-right guy who went to Iran for a Holocaust and I'll conference, I have no problem having you go to court and tell a judge your source is a conspiracy theory website from Iran that was deleted. | |
| I want that on the record, and then we'll run well so they they were like, okay, we're taking it down. | |
| Not to mention, you know, when they went after Max Blumenthal, he was like, I'm gonna call my dad, and they were like, We'll delete it. | |
| I'm gonna I'm half killing. | |
| I don't know exactly how that went down. | |
| Okay, that's that's our line change. | |
| I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you. | |
| Blake's taking my spot. | |
| Blake is coming in, Blake is coming in, extraordinary appropriate with that sombrero and a mustache and beard. | |
| Okay, it's all you, brother. | |
| Wait, Blake, Blake, why why do you have that that crazy mustache on, that crazy fake mustache. | |
| You can't talk yet. | |
| Dios mio Why are we all talking like this for some strange reasons? | |
| Oh, because I ordered guac for the office and we got really excited. | |
| Well, you igwalk you in sure. | |
| Well, you didn't have any, everybody was eating it. | |
| I no, I was like getting the show ready. | |
| I was looking at tweets. | |
| Elon's like putting me up I was sitting back, I was like, hey guys, instead of doing the show like normal, make Jack do the work. | |
| Let's go late. | |
| Well, he guacked me. | |
| He's just guck me in on my own show. | |
| When they delivered the guac, they uh just asked if we play the music. | |
| Did you get the Glock? | |
| I think I did. | |
| Yeah, I can't block. | |
| But the thing is, I don't like guacks, so I kind of just let it sit there and turn like brown or whatever. | |
| No, no, I can't. | |
| I can't that. | |
| Um hey everybody, Andrew Colvet, executive producer of the Charlie Kirk Show. | |
| Charlie understood that to lead, he needed to learn. | |
| Hillsdale College was ready to teach him. | |
| While busy running his company, teaching America's youth and raising a beautiful family, Charlie still found time to complete 31 Hillsdale College free online courses. | |
| He talked about it the last time he spoke on his podcast with Hillsdale's president, Dr. Larry Arn. | |
| Hillsdale is the cutting edge, and I mean it. | |
| It is America's greatest college. | |
| You are a force of nature, Charlie Kirk. | |
| One of these days, I'm gonna give you an honorary degree. | |
| That that would be the honor of my life. | |
| But I I got a lot more learning yet to do. | |
| And I say this the Hillsdale courses have changed my life. | |
| Through Hillsdale College's free online courses, Charlie studied the Bible, the classics, the American founding, and through his relentless pursuit of truth, became not only a great American, but a good man. | |
| Charlie's gone, but his spirit of hard work and lifelong learning carry on. | |
| Each of us can follow his example and pick up where he left off. | |
| So learn like Charlie did at Charlie for Hillsdale.com. | |
| That's Charlie for Hillsdale.com. | |
| So Blake, we've been talking about the SPLC. | |
| We were talking about it earlier today. | |
| Uh just get your take on this. | |
| What do you think about the fact that Elon Musk uh has just picked up the baseball bat and is just like beating down the poverty palace, which by the way, that's Tim, do you know that's what they call the SPLC's headquarters, the poverty palace? | |
| What? | |
| Yeah, we should, by the way, guys, we have got to get a picture up of I should have said this before. | |
| I was not working very hard in prep. | |
| Um, we have got to get a picture of the SPLC's headquarters. | |
| It's literally a glass palace. | |
| So Blake, your your thoughts. | |
| They live in a giant glass house. | |
| Yes. | |
| Yeah, they throw stones. | |
| They sure do so many stuff. | |
| Isn't it funny the names they choose for these organizations, though? | |
| The Southern Poverty Law Center. | |
| Yeah. | |
| It it makes people think that it's like a a liberal welfare organization that does legal work for hungry. | |
| I'll tell you what it's supposed to do. | |
| It's exactly named so that people will think that it is like a 50s, 60s era like civil rights organization. | |
| Like the uh what was MLK's group was like Southern Christian Leadership. | |
| Yeah, it's very similar. | |
| So they're clearly evoking that. | |
| Yeah, and I think it was I think it was founded in 1970 or so, and then it just immediately began its direct mail campaigns to scam neurotic housewives out of their money. | |
| We had an event in uh Jersey several years ago that it was called I forgot what it was called, but it was um it was called something uh I forgot the name of it, but we we the the the subheader was ending violence, racism and authoritarianism. | |
| And Daryl Davis was our headline speaker, and literally it was I I would I guess I would liken it to a send uh centrist type, you know, uh debate on morals. | |
| Antifa called it a white supremacist event and threatened to burn the theater down. | |
| And I'm like, it's literally called ending racism, violence, and authoritarianism. | |
| They were like, yeah, we don't care. | |
| And and Blake, so you mentioned you mentioned the scamming. | |
| Um there have been there have been liberals who have oh gosh, here's the picture. | |
| Tim, look at this. | |
| This is their headquarters. | |
| Ugh. | |
| The poverty palace. | |
| It looks like you could hit a button and it would like transform into something that does better. | |
| So he has they're in their endowment currently, according to their 2024 release, is almost 900 billion million. | |
| Excuse me, 900 million dollars. | |
| 900 million dollars. | |
| 900 billion, that'd be like Norway. | |
| I was thinking in my head, it's almost a billion. | |
| It's almost a billion dollars. | |
| So just under a billion dollars they've raised through these scams. | |
| And there have been liberals and leftists and even even communists like the people over at uh current affair that have come out and said, Yeah, this is obviously a scam. | |
| Former employees have come out. | |
| It's obviously a scam. | |
| What they're doing is they're claiming that they're doing all this work to fight the hate when essentially all they're doing is targeting people for hate and then shaking down uh again, like like like old liberals for money. | |
| They also, Tim, you'll appreciate this, they take that money and a bunch of it, they'll send Tens of millions, I think 30 million, according to Tyler O'Neill over at Daily Signal, is uh is is sent down to the Cayman Islands for tax purposes as a tax haven right now. | |
| So the the amount of very southern poverty. | |
| Yeah, very southern, extremely southern in the in the Gulf of America. | |
| So when when you look at this, it's it's so ripe, not just for by the way, federal investigation for wire fraud and mail fraud, because anything you do by mail is of course uh federal, but Alabama, it is the reddest of the red states, and yet they sit right there in Montgomery, Alabama in their poverty palace, and no one does anything. | |
| Wait a minute, oh my gosh. | |
| So guys, do you see that? | |
| So on the on the side up here, there um we have MSNBC playing. | |
| You guys can't see it. | |
| MSNBC is literally running an SPLC ad right now. | |
| That's MSNBC up in the top right. | |
| Yeah, wow music. | |
| As we're talking about this. | |
| Yes, and help help fight hate, they say. | |
| Fight hate, and they've got t-shirts, they're advocating for change. | |
| Oh, there's a blah blah blah. | |
| You know, and they're talking about the rhymes. | |
| That people think it's just feds faking it. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Holy molly. | |
| And you know what's really interesting is that all of the all of the good. | |
| We did not play that's that's actually live MSNBC. | |
| Did you notice that in the commercial, all of the good people were black? | |
| Yes, of course. | |
| Like there was a lawyer who was black, the judge was black, the the guy advertising like was black, then it showed the Patriot front, a bunch of white guys in masks, then it showed a bunch of black protesters. | |
| Is that who they're trying to fundraise off of, I guess? | |
| Oh no, they're definitely not fundraising. | |
| No, Tim, are you drawing some connection there? | |
| No, there's no way. | |
| It's not possible. | |
| That's so crazy. | |
| We did not so yeah, the the the people can't see it because it's off screen, but we have a video wall here that just shows you know pretty much all the cable news channels, and uh the one that was playing, so we've got like CNN, we got MSNBC, of course, we've got RAV. | |
| This is this this next commercial is worse, it's mushroom coffee. | |
| I will not be not drink the mushroom coffee. | |
| I will not drink the mushroom coffee. | |
| That is I like mushrooms, but not in that way. | |
| Blake, you do shrooms? | |
| No, no, no. | |
| No, Ian's Ian's coming later. | |
| Speaking of mushrooms, they'll pop up like a mushroom. | |
| Wait, is he actually coming? | |
| That is kind of a good segue. | |
| Somebody was talking about it. | |
| Oh, he's here. | |
| I just want to say ahead of time. | |
| Wait, wait, you gotta talk to the Mike. | |
| I love Mexican culture, and I do love psilocybin. | |
| I know I know you do. | |
| I know you do. | |
| I know you do. | |
| Are we do we want to swap or hot swap? | |
| Ian go, they're talking about swapping an hour out. | |
| So I'll call you what's going on. | |
| Yeah, you know, we did talk about mushrooms, so stay in the moment. | |
| The moment. | |
| Thank you, Ian. | |
| Um, but no, it's it's I mean, that that's so crazy. | |
| This is how big they are that MSNBC is just running this stuff all the time. | |
| So and and that's and and by the way, so Blake, talk to me about the the current demographic of an MSNBC primetime viewer that they're trying to target. | |
| Okay, so the current demographic of an MSMB primetime viewer, I'd say median viewers probably what, 75 years old? | |
| At least generously. | |
| It's very aged people who watch these left-wing cable primetime shows. | |
| And they basically like need to like constantly bombard them with fear porn. | |
| It's like it's quite funny. | |
| Like if you read the direct mailers, too, that SPLC does, it's just very funny because they're basically trying to find you know, rich or upper middle class housewives and being like, hey, remember the Holocaust? | |
| It's about to happen again if you don't donate to the SPLC's poverty palace. | |
| And you know, they they really whip them up. | |
| It's so comical, they're always like, oh, this last year was this is a barn burner, this is a record setter in hate. | |
| And there's more hate groups than everyone. | |
| Right, and become and this is why though, this is why they've they've and and Tim, you know, this is why they have to expand the aperture because there's a supply and demand issue to the point where Charlie Kirk, right? | |
| A guy who's never raised a hand in anger, who just wants to have dialogue and and campus debate, gets ensnared in it. | |
| Why is it so easy to be evil? | |
| You know, this stuff doesn't work on the right. | |
| If we if we made something comparable and we call it rules, the northern elitist, you know, law directives. | |
| Yeah, if we were saying code pink were a bunch of crazy radicals, like and saying that they're extremists, they're gonna hurt people. | |
| Well, well, whatever. | |
| They're still entitled to their opinion, and they're mostly uh nonviolent. | |
| Uh and they and they do things, you know, pretty peacefully. | |
| And sometimes I agree with them actually. | |
| Uh sometimes I absolutely disagree with them, but there is an effort to try to yeah, they're they're anti war people. | |
| If there was an effort to label them terrorists, I mean that would be a little bit extreme. | |
| That would be a good idea. | |
| I'm just saying the right doesn't have anything comparable where we create a fake organization with a fake name and then trick people into giving over tons of money. | |
| Because that's not how the right operates. | |
| Is it being evil as they work? | |
| We don't make these crazy comparisons and say you you, you know, you remembered this thing from eighty-five years ago, it's about to happen again if you don't give us money right now. | |
| Like you can go and look uh at again. | |
| So I mean, like uh uh turning point USA, right? | |
| You know, obviously we're we're here, we've got the shirt on, uh Charlie's a leader. | |
| You know, go look at a at a at a turning point fundraising drive. | |
| It's like we're gonna teach people about the constitution, and we're gonna talk about the Bible and talk about how great America is. | |
| And let you come and have a debate in person. | |
| Everyone can hear what's going on, the debate period. | |
| Of course, that was of the centerpiece of everything that Charlie did. | |
| You guys want to talk about this story? | |
| Uh can you pull this one up? | |
| There's the we don't need the audio for it. | |
| It's just an amazing video. | |
| Is this uh an Antifa guy who dumped red paint at uh the ICE facility in Portland, and he found out. | |
| He he found out. | |
| You can see here on the left, this obese young man being arrested. | |
| And then what do you think his reaction was once he was actually in the laughing, probably taunting? | |
| Is that what you think? | |
| Oh yeah, yeah. | |
| No, he's shivering in fear and pleading for his life, terrified, because he thought he was playing a game. | |
| He look at him, shaking and terrified, begging for forgiveness. | |
| You can't really hear the audio in it. | |
| It's just it's you know, he's just sitting there shaking, terrified. | |
| These people that go out, they create the shield for the for the terrorists to hide in the bushes and shoot like we've seen in the past. | |
| Yeah, these people are stupid. | |
| They think they're playing a game. | |
| They show up to these facilities, they dump paint, and they he's overweight. | |
| This dude he doesn't look like he wants for anything. | |
| He's just bored and has no purpose, and now he found out. | |
| I think with I I'm happy to see Ice taking going going to these extremist groups and having real law enforcement explain to them, and here's what I say. | |
| Tell me if you agree. | |
| I think you should get a month in jail. | |
| Well, I I think I'd want to see what every what all he did though. | |
| Sure, I I'm saying for dumping paint. | |
| If if that's all he did, criminal damage to federal property, take a guilty plea, one month, you go to federal lockup, and then all your friends can say, where did Enrique go? | |
| And you can say he went to federal lockup. | |
| Why? | |
| Because he was attacking federal law enforcement. | |
| I'll say this a month minimum. | |
| Minimum. | |
| The reason why I think a month is he didn't just do it, he did it as a member of this group. | |
| And so that's an enhancement. | |
| Yes. | |
| Uh there's some pros and the cons in in the weight of this. | |
| And and actually, I think it'd be great if you guys want to chime in a second. | |
| Um wait, by the way, I I just have to say though, come can we throw up the original picture of him again, guys? | |
| Because I I want to be clear, like which one? | |
| Uh the the original picture of when he had his hands up there. | |
| Oh, yeah. | |
| Because when he had the red paint, because when you when you see the red paint, it's very clear that they quite literally caught him red-handed. | |
| Oh, indeed, they didn't have one. | |
| Sorry, that's all I got. | |
| So if you were doing uh if you've got like disorderly conduct, what do you get? | |
| You get a weekend of community service, if that, you get a slap on the wrist and a fine. | |
| He's he's also don't know if he has priors. | |
| This is indeed. | |
| But that does seem like what you're seeing in that video though is likely uh what they call shock of capture. | |
| So yeah, uh a guy who's been arrested before probably isn't going to uh react like that. | |
| This looks to me like some chubby loser with no purpose who thinks he's playing a game. | |
| He splashed paint at the ice facility. | |
| That's criminal damage to federal property. | |
| I don't I I don't I don't think it's effective to throw him in lockup for a year because that could actually radicalize his friends. | |
| They they actually rely on this. | |
| One of the strategies the far left uses is to intentionally get stupid people arrested to then radicalize them because they'll tell you wasn't the punishment excessive. | |
| So you gotta find that happy medium where his friends will be like, I don't want to go to jail for a month. | |
| Screw that. | |
| But he gets out in time to where it's not like he was disappeared or anything. | |
| During a lot of these protests, what Antifa will do is they'll tell the average person, show up, stand here, wiggle your arms, and and chant. | |
| They'll then tell their they have they they color code it. | |
| They'll tell the direct action group, that's what it's called, go in the middle of that crowd and throw a brick At a cop. | |
| What happens then is these dumb college kids who have no idea what's going on are standing thereping around. | |
| A brick flies in there, hits a cop, the cops say, Okay, we're shutting this down. | |
| Starts grabbing people and arresting people. | |
| Once these people, these college kids who have no idea what's going on, end up in jail, they're panicking, they're shaking, they're terrified. | |
| That's how they recruit. | |
| Not kidding. | |
| They'll then have the direct activists, the d uh the direct action crew be in jail and get arrested too intentionally, and say, Don't worry, we're here for you. | |
| Our lawyers are gonna get you out. | |
| Isn't it crazy how evil these cops are? | |
| You didn't even do anything wrong. | |
| Sing with us. | |
| Hey, when you get out, call me, here's my number, write it on your arm, and we'll make sure you're safe. | |
| That's how they radicalize people. | |
| Okay, so with that being said, what if we put them away for 10 years? | |
| The guy's friends will get radicalized. | |
| Minimum. | |
| His family will get radicalized and his friends will get radicalized. | |
| So I'm not thinking about this in terms of the emotional satisfaction. | |
| If if this like the antifa terrorists who know what they're doing in organize, 10 years agreed. | |
| His their friends are already radicals. | |
| So by the way, have you ever heard the the uh the categorization of these various groups that you're talking about within the black bloc, uh the colors? | |
| Have you heard the colors? | |
| Green, red, and yellow? | |
| Yeah, green, red and yellow. | |
| So I was like, so the green, yeah, the greens are the ones who just kind of like march around and they don't know they conceal, right? | |
| And they have no idea. | |
| Then the yellows are your organizers, your leaders, your your directors, managers, and the and the yellows, by the way, travel around highly organized. | |
| We were talking about the other night um on Teamcast proper, that they are highly organized and clearly financed, and then the Reds are just the crazy It's the direct action of direct action to say, and when I would infiltrate Antifa events uh like prior to the um attack on the deplorable in uh uh 2017 to Trump's first inauguration, | |
| they would they would move someone around there and they would say, and we would have like 200 people in a church basement, and they would say, Okay, anyone who's interested in direct action, we're gonna go over here into another room. | |
| But if you're interested in that, come on over here. | |
| And those are the reds. | |
| That's the top of the pyramid. | |
| There's fewer of them, but those are the ones that are gonna commit actual violence. | |
| Yep. | |
| And the so that they the green group is the the doofy college kids who have no idea what's going on. | |
| Right. | |
| They don't want them to know. | |
| They want to radicalize them. | |
| And so they tell the direct action group, we need to get these people arrested, as many of them as possible. | |
| So you might see a flyer at a college and it's like, come march for this social injustice. | |
| And what the actual plan is is there's gonna be three guys who wear all black and masks. | |
| They're gonna tell you to wear the same. | |
| They say, Wear all black, wear a hoodie in solidarity. | |
| They're gonna go up to a cop, hit him, or throw a water bottle or something to get you arrested intentionally so that you're terrified because they know that the machine is is cruel. | |
| That when you get arrested, the cops are like, Don't know, don't care why you get arrested. | |
| Stand here, take your picture, and they're shaking and they're terrified. | |
| They've never been arrested before. | |
| They've probably never had a job before. | |
| That's when they can strike. | |
| Oh, you poor thing, look how evil police are. | |
| And then come meet us next Saturday and we'll explain everything to you. | |
| Then they get a new radical. | |
| You know, I don't know. | |
| I'm not sure. | |
| I'm not sure if it's just bad to radicalize it. | |
| I would just say if they want to get radicalized because they're like uh, you know, faffo-ing, and then they get radicalized and they do something more radical, okay, 10 years. | |
| But 25. | |
| I don't care about filling up a prison with 50,000 of these freaks. | |
| But but what I'm saying is this guy's roommate gets radicalized and you're making more protesters. | |
| You're you're j that that's what they want to do. | |
| The number of protesters is irrelevant. | |
| What matters is if you're doing criminal stuff, if you're attacking cops, if you're destroying buildings, that instead of getting a slap on the wrist, that you are getting, oh, sorry, you're an in you're like an insurrectionist, you're a terrorist, you're going to prison for the rest of the room. | |
| Well, so I'm not talking about them going running up gangs and arresting them and putting them in prison. | |
| These are these are known gang members to a terrorizing communities. | |
| This is a doofy chubby kid who has no idea what's going on in the world who threw paint on the ground. | |
| And he's got a bunch of friends who are also doofy morons who have no idea what's going on in the world. | |
| I'm not talking about letting a guy who smashes a cop car go. | |
| I'm talking about the moron chubby guy who's never been arrested before, never had a job, showing up to what he thinks is a playground for LARPing. | |
| And then when you guys say, Lock him up for a year or longer, Antifa is like, yes. | |
| We tricked them into radicalizing more people that are gonna fundraise on our behalf, that are gonna make money for us and sustain us. | |
| You have to be strategic in how you handle their traps. | |
| So if a guy shows up with a gun, you arrest them. | |
| If a dupey ch a doofy chubby guy shows up, you you say, This guy, I said a month. | |
| Why? | |
| Because he won't disappear he won't be disappeared. | |
| He'll get out in a month and say, I'm never doing that again, and his friends will be like, dude, I don't want to go anywhere near that stuff. | |
| Yeah, or or but what couldn't you also just get out in a month and say, I'm gonna go do it again? | |
| No. | |
| Not the doofy retards who don't know anything about politics. | |
| He showed up because someone at his school said, Do you want to come hang out after school? | |
| We're gonna go protest ice. | |
| And he went, What's ICE? | |
| And they said, you know, the immigration thing, and he went, Okay, he showed up. | |
| I mean, he's he's not a just a kid though. | |
| He's he's over 18. | |
| He's in college, uh, presumably, or at least college age, and he knows what a federal facility is. | |
| He knows what a police station is at least. | |
| Indeed. | |
| And he knows that he's attacking. | |
| What is your goal? | |
| What is your goal? | |
| What's your goal? | |
| The goal. | |
| What do you want to happen? | |
| The goal is to wipe out Antifa. | |
| Okay, so if Antifa is setting radicalization traps, and this is just Antifa, it's all of them. | |
| I mean, the radicalization is here's the point. | |
| Criminal damage to federal property is I think a class A misdemeanor, which has a maximum of a year a year in jail. | |
| I love it. | |
| So for a guy who's on a first offense and is a doof, I say a month in jail. | |
| So a month in jail, I'm not talking about pleaing him down to community service. | |
| I'm saying you go to jail for a month. | |
| If you give them the maximum penalty right now, I wonder if it's a few. | |
| We've talked about like, you know, three strikes laws in general for like, you know, habitual criminals. | |
| But I wonder if you could do something like actually specifically dedicated for sort of antisocial rioting. | |
| Or maybe it is first offense, as you say, maybe a month, maybe even two weeks. | |
| And but then it's like your second one, it like radically escalates and at your third offense for like specifically disruptive rioting type stuff, even if it's what would normally be misdemeanor stuff. | |
| When we're once we're saying, Oh, you're just a person who always is going out and like starting stuff with cops and attacking federal facilities, all right. | |
| 15 years minimum, have fun. | |
| I say second offense a year. | |
| My my so my point is when you see a the the Antifa is hoping to recruit stupid people who don't know what's going on. | |
| And so we my my view is agreed, we want to wipe out Antifa. | |
| But I'll put it this way one of the one of the things they they would talk about in these direct action meetings. | |
| This is what the activists would say to you. | |
| What would happen if you stood in the street and held up a sign and blocked traffic? | |
| Well what would happen? | |
| Honestly, probably nothing. | |
| Uh no, code picked us all the time. | |
| Something happens, you get arrested. | |
| Okay. | |
| What happens tomorrow after the cops arrest you for blocking traffic? | |
| Ten more protesters show up angry that you got arrested. | |
| That's our goal. | |
| That's how Occupy Wall Street grew, too. | |
| That's how that was their plan. | |
| So during Occupy Wall Street, Tony Bologna, Anthony Bologna, pepper sprayed four women, and he created Occupy Wall Street. | |
| This is really important for the for the history. | |
| There were about a thousand or so, maybe not even that many people. | |
| A couple hundred. | |
| I was there on day one. | |
| It was only a couple hundred, not even. | |
| I showed up on day three of Occupy. | |
| There was like seven people. | |
| No, no joke. | |
| We were standing under a tarp in the rain. | |
| An NYPD cop walked up and he smiled and said, It's like, God bless y'all, and he left. | |
| Seven people. | |
| I said, Should we leave? | |
| Why am I here? | |
| They told me, just wait till the weekend when people get off work, they're gonna come. | |
| That weekend, there was a couple hundred people who started to march down the street. | |
| The police said, We're gonna stop this march. | |
| It's unlawful. | |
| And they did what's called kettling and wrapped an orange net around him. | |
| Four young women, and that you can watch this video on YouTube, stood, they were outside of the march. | |
| They were not part of it. | |
| Anthony Bologna uh Bologna, who was a I think it was a captain, I'm not sure, walked up to him for no reason and sprayed their faces. | |
| That video was uploaded instantly. | |
| It was the fastest viral video in the history of YouTube at the time, over a million views in less than a day. | |
| That video created something like 30 or 40 occupied chapters across the country and sparked a movement from 500 to 300,000 in one weekend. | |
| The direct action people do this on purpose. | |
| They said, How can we get the cops to slip up? | |
| Another really great example is they have a video where it's a uh white shirt in New York swinging a baton wildly, and they CGI'd it to be a lightsaber. | |
| And then they said the police were beating, like, haha, look, we made a meme. | |
| The police beat people for no reason. | |
| The full video shows the occupiers attacking the cops, then pulling back real fast. | |
| So when the cops respond with the attack, they can get a video of Antifa going like this with their hands up. | |
| Which is exactly what that um that IC agent was in recently, where the woman looks like she's getting pushed for no reason. | |
| She attacks him because she had attacked him, and there's like 20 minutes of her just attacking him. | |
| She attacks him. | |
| So uh Antifa will hit a cop, and then immediately four people will put their hands up. | |
| So when the cops start trying to arrest them, they can start the video at Antifa going like this. | |
| Look, I mean information warfare propaganda. | |
| That's that's all that's that is going to be part and parcel of most. | |
| But I agree with Tim. | |
| We gotta be smart about this, right? | |
| The facts of this case matter. | |
| Uh I made this point a couple days ago. | |
| The left is waiting for their ICE George Floyd. | |
| And if they have it, it's gonna be their major rallying call. | |
| I'm looking they've been great to not have Yeah, you have to show restraint. | |
| I'm looking at videos. | |
| I don't know what this kid did with the paint, but it looks like uh there's some people who poured red red paint on the sidewalk and then they were putting it on their hands, and they were like, look at the blood on the hands that ICE had. | |
| And if this kid did that, I mean it's not as egregious as throwing red paint on like an officer or somebody else. | |
| So the facts matter here, and I think we have to be super careful not to fall into the trap of the left and saw uh Linsky, who talked about this extensively, who sets up these traps for us in order to make us look like the bad guys. | |
| We're not the bad guys. | |
| We shouldn't be the bad guys. | |
| We should be tough, but at the same time, we gotta be respectful of people's civil liberties and the constitution and the bill of rights. | |
| Right, but you don't have a civil liberty to be a member of a terrorist group, which Antifa has now been declared one. | |
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| And what I would say though is in addition to all of this, when we're talking about there needs to be a huge focus on the yellows because when you work with the networkers, the trainers, the recruiters, the people who are actually, you know, behind these mass movements, uh the their ability to spread it will be broken. | |
| So I'm not saying like this is that this is the only thing you do, but obviously it's going to be in tandem with those same operations going against the higher ups. | |
| But this is my point. | |
| This guy would be a green. | |
| Some doofy college kid who has no idea what's going on. | |
| You want to be careful about how you interact with them because they're hoping you do so that that guy can become a yellow or a red. | |
| So the yellows, they should get Rico. | |
| These are the the facilitators and the organizers of this who plan how to do it. | |
| This is a thing where Congress could actually do something. | |
| This is I hear the RICO thing a lot. | |
| What's not really well known. | |
| RICO was passed to go after the mob. | |
| Yeah, Blake is a great piece of the state. | |
| There's sort of in when you read the RICO statute, the federal one, it basically says you need predicate crimes to go after organizations. | |
| And the predicate crimes they list are things the mob would do. | |
| And as a result, it's inciting a riot is not one of them. | |
| It's drugs, it's homicides. | |
| Homicide, you know, involvement in those. | |
| So insight so conspiracy inside a riot is not one of them. | |
| You know, all I'm gonna say is to change it, you would just need some sort of national legislative body that was perhaps controlled by your party. | |
| Where are we gonna get one of the pass to pass a modification of that law? | |
| But I I don't know where we're gonna get one of those. | |
| They're not usually. | |
| Right. | |
| So Tim, what he's saying is the RICO statute does not include inciting a riot. | |
| Well, I'm not talking about that. | |
| I'm talking about the yellows. | |
| I'm talking about funding sources. | |
| I'm talking about people organizing. | |
| That's what election is. | |
| So that's what we mean though. | |
| Rico is. | |
| Hold on. | |
| You can't use Rico against people who are part of organizations that launder money internationally. | |
| I'm not following. | |
| Well, laundering m the thing is when you say launder money, like they're laundering money for a criminal enterprise and the criminal enterprises to enable and further civil disorder in the United States to like cause riots to get those people out of jail. | |
| Like most of their monetary stuff, like they frankly don't need to launder a ton of money because they're not getting the money through criminal means. | |
| They're just getting rich idiots to donate money to them. | |
| I bet in ten minutes you could find uh somewhere. | |
| Uh there's a story. | |
| It was in, I think it was in uh was it Nashville? | |
| This is several years ago. | |
| Antifa show up to a restaurant and demanded that he uh put up a BLM flag when he didn't, they started smashing his property. | |
| Okay, you got Rico. | |
| When when they start going to businesses and threaten them, when you go to Berkeley and you see people putting up signs saying, please don't hurt us, and they put the symbols in their windows, this is this is RICO. | |
| So, sure, if you want to approach it as simplistically as they riot sometimes, but that's not what we're talking about. | |
| The yellow category is what he's saying is what he's saying is you could add it to the RICO statute to catch more. | |
| Sure, sure. | |
| Or and and we could do that at the same time that they're working on that, we could be get charging these people with under RICO and going after them for criminal enterprise. | |
| Of course. | |
| There's a lot more they do than just riot. | |
| I mean, there's there's organized terror attacks that's clearly outside of of right and and the financial ties are easy. | |
| They fundraise off this stuff. | |
| So when they're when they're engaging in criminal acts under the threat, uh putting people under the threat of force in order to get money, you've got RICO. | |
| So the the most dangerous element, in fact, I don't think is actually the red category. | |
| These are the direct action guys who go on the ground and attack people. | |
| You arrest those guys, they're hoping they can get some of the they can get some of these greens radicalized and turn into reds. | |
| The yellows, these are the people who are connected to the NGOs who are being paid salaries by some nonprofit for some here here's here's it's actually really, really simple. | |
| Nonprofits are under very strict rules. | |
| Uh business is under very strict rules. | |
| I I I gotta I Jack, you you know this, and it's crazy. | |
| I have to explain this to people who've never run a business. | |
| You can't just hire someone for no reason. | |
| You running a company, can't I can't be like, hey Luke, you want a job? | |
| Okay, just I'll just pay you a salary. | |
| Not gonna work. | |
| I have to write down what his job is. | |
| I have to give him a job title. | |
| I have to file that with the IRS, and I have to prove it. | |
| So if you ever get audited, they're gonna say, Show me Mr. Rodkowski's work and show and prove to me that he's doing it, otherwise you've committed a crime. | |
| When nonprofits, which are under stricter regulation, hire staffers and then tell them, hey, why don't you take the day off? | |
| Wink, and those that person goes down to organize a protest. | |
| Now you've got serious business and fraud uh at the at the nonprofit. | |
| Which and I can tie this back to the SPLC because remember uh Stopcop City uh that was going on in outside of Atlanta when they were attacking this uh police facility, Atlanta PD facility trading facility that was being built out in in disforested area and Antifa were like living in trees at one point and then conducting serious attacks on the facility, uh burning, you know, Molotov cocktails, this type of thing. | |
| Well, at one point in one of the major assaults on the facility, uh there was an SPLC lawyer who was not there, and by the way, not there from as a quote unquote legal observer, like we can see the guys in the green hats. | |
| Um wow, it just hit something on my head. | |
| Oh, that's weird. | |
| I don't know what that is. | |
| And um, this this is a guy who was actually participating in the assault itself. | |
| Fraud. | |
| When you raise money for a charity that says we're going to lobby for environmental issues, but then your paid staff are going and organizing protests, you've defrauded the people who have donated to you. | |
| So there's there's a there's a bunch of real easy ways to go after these people. | |
| And so anyway, just to kind of wrap it up, my point ultimately was put them all in jail. | |
| I was just saying be careful about rat giving them the radicalization tools they need by being overbearing on some moron chubby guy who doesn't know what's going on. | |
| The yellow the guys in yellow should get 10 years. | |
| This is Rico stuff. | |
| This is mafioso. | |
| They go to businesses and that like legit, they'll say something like, Hey, are you we want you to put this in your window? | |
| And they'll say, Look, I'm not really interested. | |
| Be a real shame if a pro I mean, but there's a protest tomorrow. | |
| I mean, I can't imagine what the protests are gonna do. | |
| The business is here, be a shame. | |
| Okay. | |
| And then the way okay, okay, okay, uh please, please, please don't hurt me. | |
| I'll put the I'll put it in my window. | |
| Come on. | |
| And that arrest was classic intimidation, but getting back to the original, the original point of RICO was uh uh would it racketeering and criminal organizations? | |
| Racketeering influence influenced criminal organizations. | |
| Have you been to Berkeley? | |
| And corrupt organizations, I think is what it is. | |
| Yes. | |
| Have you seen how all the businesses have signs in their windows that either say please don't hurt me or we're leftists? | |
| Yeah, and I'm I'm pretty sure you see it all over the place. | |
| I'm pretty sure the Chinese nail salon that was all immigrants didn't actually believe in Marxist Leninism. | |
| When I was in uh signing their windows, when I was in Chaz and uh we had all the buildings around there, and I I lived in Jazz for a week. | |
| Um, and you would see the businesses, and people were trying as hard as they could, you know, sushi places and car dealers and whatever it was to you know put the signs up saying, you know, and many of them by the way have now gone on to sue the city of Seattle. | |
| And I I believe there may have been a settlement in that case where uh they said, You've completely deprived us of our rights. | |
| You allowed this organization of armed individuals to prey on us. | |
| You told the police to leave the area around the Capitol Hill, uh Capitol Hill, Caly Anderson Park, that neighborhood, which they later then became the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. | |
| And and and all of these businesses sued because their places were getting burned, they were getting squatted in, uh, nobody could work. | |
| There also be also people who lived in there because there it was mixed use. | |
| So those people couldn't even come in and out of their homes on a regular basis. | |
| I think where they have a video they want us to play. | |
| Oh, there's a video, and then we might do our swap. | |
| We're hot swapping, we're hot swapping. | |
| Oh gosh. | |
| Who else do we have after Ian? | |
| I think that's it. | |
| I think just Ian. | |
| Don't you think it's terrible how bigoted the president of the United States is being with all these memes about Hakeem Jeffries? | |
| Es muy malo. | |
| Ay! | |
| I thought we were doing that during the yeah. | |
| I thought we were doing that to cover this. | |
| Yeah, I thought we were doing that to cover it. | |
| But whatever. | |
| And then is Andrew Hover. | |
| Whatever. | |
| Anyway, as I leave where we where do you guys see all the m momentum going on the right? | |
| Because there's cultural victories against the ADL, the SPLC, YouTube, uh, cultural victories against Netflix. | |
| Where do you guys want to see it to go? | |
| I mean, YouTube just uh took back our video with Johnson Joe Rogan, which is huge. | |
| Uh by the way, YouTube, you still have a whole bunch of my videos deleted. | |
| I I would love them back, especially the ones with us talking with David Icke, predicting everything that happened that got taken down for COVID misinformation about 10, 12 years ago. | |
| That would be nice too. | |
| But anyway, uh I'll leave you guys with that question. | |
| Thank you so much for having me. | |
| We'll have you back on. | |
| We'll have you back on the back. | |
| Thank you guys so much for having me. | |
| Uh Ian, uh learn consent. | |
| Uh you need it. | |
| Thanks, guys. | |
| I was I was just standing there. | |
| Yeah, there's headphones right now. | |
| And then by the way, Blake, you have uh there are headphones if you want them. | |
| And uh, over this object upon my head. | |
| This this asteroid, how are you talking about? | |
| So uh yeah, big news. | |
| Uh last night Google reads. | |
| Who who is this guy? | |
| Who is this who's this crazy character next to us here? | |
| I'm a space lord, man. | |
| Have you ever been to the moon, Jack? | |
| You think we've ever been to the moon? | |
| I I don't want to derail this. | |
| Have I been there? | |
| Have I been there? | |
| I I haven't been there today. | |
| Uh what, today earlier today? | |
| Yeah. | |
| You went for lunch. | |
| They're for donuts. | |
| Oh, yeah. | |
| You know we're on the precipice of like a material science revolution. | |
| We're about to do that. | |
| There's a duncan up there. | |
| There's dunking everywhere, bro. | |
| But it's not free donuts, you have to pay. | |
| I had to pay you. | |
| Moonbooks. | |
| Yeah, moon bucks. | |
| Well, let's talk about using authoritarian crackdowns on uh whatever. | |
| All right. | |
| Just on Ian. | |
| There we go. | |
| Just on Ian's. | |
| Wait, on what on you or on us or on the show? | |
| Yeah, everybody everywhere. | |
| Look, man, I don't know what you're into, but we're not talking about gentle jobs. | |
| I think it's a time for like virtue. | |
| Because you guys were talking about self-restraint. | |
| A lot, that's actually temperance. | |
| It's one of the seven virtues. | |
| You see. | |
| Um and holding the virtue, like the kindness that people inhibited and embodied after Charlie's. | |
| Yeah, it was. | |
| I mean, there was a moment for people to rage and people just held back. | |
| They're not going to be able to do it. | |
| Well, so is it really? | |
| Before we get and I know you want to hit stuff, but so Ian, we're here. | |
| This is Charlie's studio. | |
| And this is the chair of Charlie Kirk. | |
| This is the chair where he sat, did his shows for for years, day in, day out. | |
| You know, when he was, you know, obviously here locally. | |
| Um, you could see some of the personal effects, himself, his children, um, that that he left. | |
| We haven't we haven't changed anything since since the last time he was sitting here. | |
| And you know, we talk about these things on a daily basis. | |
| Um and they get really real. | |
| They get real uh Blake here was um standing about three steps away when when it all went down. | |
| Uh a lot of the staff that's uh that's currently working were there with him that day. | |
| And you know, we I don't want to like derail the vibe here, but it's it's it's real. | |
| What concerned me was that his funeral, uh the the memorial, you know, where everybody Trump was there, Stephen Miller was there, and they I caught some clips where you know Erica's like truly experiencing a level of forgiveness which comes from like kindness and humility and those are virtues, and then Trump's like, I hate my opponents. | |
| Let me let me get this entire thought out before you join in. | |
| I hate I hate my opponents, which is wrath, which is the sin opposite of patience, the virtue. | |
| And to exhibit sin, like if you live in virtue, you're you're living with Christ, you're like Christ. | |
| If you live in sin, you're like, well, you're anti-Christ. | |
| So to you everybody can exert a moment of anti-Christ behavior by bodying the sins. | |
| And when Stephen particularly, I'd love to hang out with Stephen Miller and talk about this, because when he he issued a threat to all of our opponents, he he spoke and then he said, and to all those that oppose us, you are hateful. | |
| But he was he was broadcasting this that that threat should have gone on a on a direct channel to the opponent to for to broadcast a threat terrorizes the populace. | |
| So I I think we Well, I would argue the populist is currently being terrorized by the people killing Charlie Current. | |
| And he was speaking to the he was to those people who are listening, they weren't being terrorists by him, they were being comforted by him. | |
| It's like it's like saying in Minecraft, you are a hateful person. | |
| But and I'm like saying it right to you. | |
| Let me ask you this though, but so you you say that, but Stephen Miller and President Trump are both currently officials of the federal government. | |
| And the Bible also tells us that in Romans and many other places, that it is the role of legitimate government to hold the sword, to wield the sword, and to use the sword for justice. | |
| So when he's talking about that, uh I'm looking at that as the role of the magistrate to enact justice for what was done to Charlie. | |
| I I do think that is the role. | |
| I don't I want to hear, but that to invoke hatred, which is wrath, a sin at that level. | |
| I don't think the magistrate needs to hate those that they destroy. | |
| Just forgive them. | |
| They didn't realize that the danger they were tangling with and well, I I I agree as it pertains to Trump, but not Stephen Miller. | |
| And also Trump is just gonna talk the way Trump does. | |
| That's frankly just how it's going to be. | |
| Uh I don't know that we're ever you just can't really police the way Trump. | |
| Yeah, this at this this point in the game, yeah, he's not. | |
| Jedi E says as a but he did say he I approve of everything going on here. | |
| Thank you. | |
| But I wanted to add what going on. | |
| What is she? | |
| Yeah, I'm not sure I'm just gonna. | |
| I will admit, I will admit that, or I will add, I should say, that he did say, I'm open to letting Erica convince me otherwise. | |
| That's why I bring it up because we're all capable of exhibiting anti-Christ behaviors, and we need to keep each other in check as we get more powerful and famous and well loved. | |
| If you if someone were to snap and then start embodying sin, they wouldn't hit retrospect. | |
| Like that was the anti it's just a guy exhibiting anti-Christ. | |
| But I think that's I think as what Jack is getting at, you know, you were saying you were happy that in the aftermath of this, there was not an explosion of mostly peaceful protests, as we might call them. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Um and I agree that that's a good thing. | |
| But I do think latent within that reaction is the trust, the premise that there are legitimate state ways of responding to this, right? | |
| That they will obviously punish the killer find and punish the killer, and also that they will prevent future assassinations like this happening, up to and including through, you know, corralling these violently antisocial elements that want to kind of stoke low-level political violence across America and put all of us at risk. | |
| And a few violence. | |
| If they lose their confidence that that can occur, there will be people who will go in alternative, more radical directions. | |
| This is exactly what we were talking about last night on Timcast, that what happens when the legitimate authority, just on a practical level, what happens when a legitimate government does not rise to the level of that government, does not provide for the safety of the people, and then the people say, All right, if the government won't do it, then I have to do it. | |
| Yeah, that'd be the splinter into factional gang. | |
| We don't want that. | |
| We mean that's what we don't want. | |
| We needed swift. | |
| Well, I was thinking, like, let's imagine maybe like the alternative extreme scenario. | |
| The most extreme scenario possible. | |
| Hypothetical, hypothetical, hypothetical. | |
| No, as in hypothetically, let's say there was like a left wing, a radical left-wing president, and this happened to Charlie, and like the president came out and basically said, like, he deserves it, and I'm going to sign a federal pardon for whoever did it. | |
| Which is and then like the state authorities to what Barack Obama actually said, by the way, after Charlie's murder, he you know, he he's he he kind of gave the comment where, you know, uh, this is terrible, it shouldn't have happened. | |
| He goes, but then he reads off this litany of things that Charlie uh actually had said on this show on thought crime, and and but you know, twisted in such a way and totally decontextualized to remind his listeners, and and by all by all intents, Barack Obama is the leader of the Democrat Party, so he's sort of saying, you know, hey, you shouldn't have done this, but he was a bad guy. | |
| He was a bad guy. | |
| That's what you shouldn't be sad. | |
| You shouldn't be sad about it. | |
| They're cre so uh Joe Rogan brought this up when he said, I think the people who hate Charlie think he was a bad guy and they think they were good guys, and I counter with no, they didn't know who Charlie was at all. | |
| That's why the lies work. | |
| They are told by their by their death cult what to believe, and they say, Yes. | |
| So when Jimmy Kimmel goes on TV and says it was a MAGA guy who did it, they all go, Yes. | |
| And now when they're polled by you gov, what do they say? | |
| It was a right winger who did it. | |
| I got this question I want to ask you guys particularly. | |
| Um a commenter said, Hey, maybe Charlie would have wanted the man that killed him to receive multiple life sentences so that he had an opportunity to atone in prison and find God and f and and and really on his knee like and I I'd just been like, oh, death penalty, death penalty, no question, death penalty. | |
| And now I'm like, would it be better if he was able to suffer and and well, Blake, you know, you you you spent a lot of time with Charlie talking about this issue, you know, what would and obviously you know, Charlie had certain of an arc with with that. | |
| Where do you where do you think he would be I mean I it's an impossible question? | |
| I don't think Char Charlie would admit to like conflicted feelings about it, but as you said, there was an arc. | |
| He kind of earlier on he had you'll see this pretty commonly with uh especially like pro-life uh people on the right where they'll want they'll feel they want maximum consistency, so they'll be opposed to abortion, and they'll also be the Pope Leo's comments. | |
| Pope Leo's comments yesterday were all about that. | |
| Right before he blessed ICE, as it were. | |
| No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait. | |
| I just want to contextualize this for people. | |
| I want to get I want to explain this. | |
| He wasn't blocking uh he wasn't just blessing a block of ice, it was a secret signal that he's blessing the ice mission in America. | |
| Everybody missed this he's blessing. | |
| It's a big wink, he gives the big wake. | |
| Yeah, I re I want to bless ice. | |
| Exactly. | |
| No, so but then Charlie himself, I would argue with him about this because I would you know, first of all, you you reject vengeance as a principle that uh why you would do this, but yeah, and but there are valid justifications for the death penalty, and it's not merely that this individual person is dangerous. | |
| I feel the best argument in favor of capital punishment is that you have to show maximum levels of condemnation for the most destructive or evil acts in your society to say something like this is so intolerable, it will be ripped out of the body politic like the cancer that it is, | |
| and I think political assassination, which doesn't just you know, kill end one life, it threatens to basically destroy the country because we have a system that is based on nonviolent resolution of differences through debate, through voting, through argument, and someone went and smashed that to bits with a rifle. | |
| And I think Charlie was very was like very understanding of that that when you when a state he was coming to accept that that when you refuse to consider maximally severe penalties on the worst criminals, you're kind of exhibiting this general moral cowardice within your society, and you're spreading it. | |
| Now, should the man have an opportunity to find God? | |
| Yes, but you know, if he receives a proper trial and so forth, he will get all of those things. | |
| Far more than there are plenty of people, by the way, who are like police kill, they just are they're killed in the act, for example. | |
| Like we will do lethal force to stop a criminal who is a danger to others. | |
| Of course. | |
| And sometimes we do that, and actually we end up killing someone who is actually not currently a threat to others. | |
| We we accept the need to sometimes mistakenly kill somebody in order to have the general principle of protecting the public. | |
| There's even something much more simpler than this. | |
| Uh if he got the death penalty, it would take 20 years. | |
| He'd have to do that. | |
| Well, that's bad though. | |
| I was I would strongly encourage us to find a way to reform that. | |
| Like, no one who does something like a political assassination where like if you're able to prove their guilt, I suspect it will not be in any serious doubt. | |
| Uh you know, if you need to accelerate it, if you need full-time legal proceedings to make sure this is all done and dusted in two years, in three years, make it happen. | |
| Yeah, but but but but functionally right now, if he got the death penalty, he'd be in jail for ten years. | |
| But we should we should definitely work on getting rid of that. | |
| But because one, that would actually make the death penalty itself more effective. | |
| We should never have someone getting executed where we need to trot out 30-year-old newspaper articles to remind them of why they were sentenced that way. | |
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| And so in 1901, when an anarcho-socialist uh murdered President McKinley, um, that anarcho-socialist, the assassin, was executed in the electric chair just 45 days after killing President McKinley. | |
| You know, that was that was 1901. | |
| There's a there's a challenge in this in the in the in the structure of our society, its size, really. | |
| I was watching uh what was that, 1912 or whatever that show is? | |
| I don't know, 1917 or something. | |
| And there's a scene where someone gets accused of pickpocking, pickpocketing, so they just grab the guy and string him up and kill him on the spot. | |
| That's how it used to be back in the day. | |
| Uh probably not, though, actually. | |
| Like I th there's there's like an image people have of the past, and it's very mediated by like the media, as it were. | |
| And it can give you a mistaken impression of how it generally worked. | |
| Like, we did in fact have a criminal justice system in 1912. | |
| Someone might get lynched in a rushed way, and that was bad, and that's why we would have campaigns against lynching. | |
| But like the criminal justice system, there's a big difference between even 45 days and immediately. | |
| But think about the structure of evidence back in the day. | |
| You're not you had no forensics. | |
| It was just, did someone see it happen or not? | |
| And do we trust the person and people could lie or otherwise? | |
| It's actually uh Well, and in the case of of um the uh the uh McKinley's assassin, this was done, I believe it was the world expo in Buffalo. | |
| So it means he was in front of you know he he was a receiving line and he walked up with a gun. | |
| So for this community that all watched it happen, yeah, it was real easy to just and also like Lee Harvey Oswald, they they got him within day a day or something of Kennedy's, and then Jack Ruby, the guy that killed him, got killed even right after that. | |
| Like, who knows, maybe they were covering trails. | |
| Yeah, Jack Ruby killed Oswald and then died got killed. | |
| And then got killed, so too. | |
| He died of cancer. | |
| No, no, no, no. | |
| No, no, no, he died of cancer. | |
| We know the CIA has a has a cancer gun, I think was revealed in the church. | |
| Okay, well, to use a recent example, like Dylan Roof. | |
| I think America would have less pretty racial trauma, less political trauma in it. | |
| If Dylan Roof, instead of sitting on death row to this day, occasionally writing letters to people and stuff that come out and like cause discord. | |
| Like, what if Dylan Roof had just been executed eight months after that shooting in Charleston? | |
| I think that would have made America a lot better place. | |
| The issue I have to do. | |
| I think conservatives typically come from a world uh a world view that we are in a country that is a community. | |
| When I think what we saw, you know, three weeks ago shows that we are not, that there are people who do not live in the same country as we do, despite occupying similar land. | |
| And I do not want to give these power, these people the power to execute who they see fit. | |
| I don't think Kamala Harris having the right to execute people is a good idea by any stretch. | |
| So if the argument if she were elected president, she wouldn't have the ability to do that. | |
| She would. | |
| Under the current law, yes. | |
| So my point is once again, if everyone in the country held the moral worldview of Charlie Kirk, we don't even need the laws. | |
| We don't even need police. | |
| In the country we have now, the argument for the creation of a uh mechanization of the state to kill means that you've got all the Soros DAs going like, let's start killing people. | |
| That's the challenge I have with it. | |
| Well, but I mean that you know, I think I believe New York State still has death penalty in California. | |
| So okay. | |
| Well then I know California does. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Though effective more than that. | |
| But that's my point. | |
| My point is that that in in these areas where you have Soros DAs or uh you know, soros control over huge swaths of territory, uh, these are the very same policies where they're not doing that. | |
| The reason I brought up Oswald's because I feel like they hushed it up. | |
| They didn't want like this guy that's sitting in prison right now that killed Charlie that uh uh what he was allegedly the evidence seems to point to, he might come out and tell us something that was like what and have evidence like well he'll he'll get a trial. | |
| He will get it, he will get a fair trial um if he has mitigating factors, if he if he was you know, if if there is something else that that we don't know about yet, he will have the opportunity to present that. | |
| I have a theory for you guys. | |
| This guy is a Patsy who worked with leftists. | |
| There was there were there there's a uh uh appears to be evidence of coordination. | |
| Now I'm not gonna say that this is something I I truly believe, just a thought. | |
| What happens if the evidence comes out that that communication between him and his furry boyfriend seems very scripted. | |
| And this has caused a lot of people to start pushing conspiracy theories. | |
| Matt Walsh, I think, had the the best point in that it looks like he wrote this to create reasonable doubt so that it could uh be used as exculpatory evidence for the boyfriend who was actually involved. | |
| What happens if in three months the boyfriend's like, oh, by the way, here's the proof I didn't do it. | |
| I I did this so that the real killers could escape. | |
| You know, it's all the the text messages were to prevent So Matt Walsh's theory, I agree with him on this, but I'm I want to give him credit for it. | |
| The messages that came out from the FBI between the alleged assassin and the boyfriend have no typos and are written like theater kids, like it's a script. | |
| And liberals have come out saying this proves the FBI faked it, like the conspiracy theorists. | |
| Then there's just general conspiracy theories that that's not real, the FBI faked it. | |
| I don't think that's the case at all, especially knowing cash. | |
| Matt Walsh said what likely happened is the assassin wrote this fake set of messages to the boyfriend, so that in the event of a criminal trial where they bring charges against the boyfriend who coordinated and helped the assassination, they're gonna show these messages to the jury and say, reasonable doubt, the messages show the boyfriend had nothing to do with it. | |
| Yeah, so the idea being No, I get that. | |
| Okay, I'm just I'm just being clear. | |
| Yeah, there appears to be evidence of coordination. | |
| No, no, no, no. | |
| I I I get what you're saying, I'm just making sure I'm following the the the theory you're presenting because you know, I've I've seen as well that um and if you read some of the Daily Mail reporting that's gone out on this, you know, these ideas that actually they were saying that it was the boyfriend who was was more antisocial, uh, that he was, you know, people referring to him. | |
| And again, this is just based on their reporting. | |
| I I don't have any direct uh knowledge of this, so you know they could be wrong, right? | |
| And and that in fact he was far more political than uh Tyler Robinson had been. | |
| And in fact, people were saying that he it was them living together as roommates that really kind of corrupted Robinson. | |
| And so there's questions of, you know, did he pull him into this group and do all this? | |
| No, but none of that, none of that changes the fact of who was on the on the roof and who pulled the trigger. | |
| None of that changes that. | |
| Now, again, by uh uh assuming that all the evidence is true, it's a lot of people. | |
| And also here's here here's here's a uh there's another theory that the boyfriend's actually the the the assassin. | |
| Uh wearing a disguise, they're both of similar height, gait, build, appearance. | |
| There is a theory that the boyfriend is actually the one who did it. | |
| And then uh the the ch the challenge so here's what I think. | |
| I think largely it was a coordinated group of leftists. | |
| That's that that explains the Discord chats. | |
| It explains the foreknowledge that was presented. | |
| It explains the weird nature of this message. | |
| And they didn't catch the guy until well after. | |
| Right. | |
| And so again, I don't know, but one of the theories we've seen the photo of the dude in the in the in the um the dairy queen. | |
| There's a lot of really kooky conspiracy theories about palm guns and trapdoors and exactly. | |
| However, what if the real shooter is the roommate? | |
| The script the messages were scripted to create exculpatory uh fake exculpatory evidence, and this is they coordinate it. | |
| Then he's an accessory fry him. | |
| He's still an excessory. | |
| But either either way, though. | |
| Accessory to murder is full murder, definitely. | |
| Well, I don't think accessory. | |
| I'm I'm saying if there's a coordinated network, we've got a very, very serious problem, and I believe that's the same. | |
| Well, and like and obviously And by the way, you know, you'd still, of course, need to you'd need to present that in court. | |
| You need to present evidence of all right, you know, are there are there fingerprints? | |
| Are there, you know, who had access to the gun. | |
| And by the way, the the you know, Tyler Robinson, the fact that it was again his father's gun. | |
| You know, originally the grandfathers would, you know, the father in control of it. | |
| Um that uh you know, this this the fact that you know you'd you have to say, okay, was the boyfriend physically you know, because there was about what three hours away, you know, so was he physically anywhere present? | |
| Can we can we prove that? | |
| Uh you gotta prove it. | |
| That's all I'm saying. | |
| They had uh a bunch of vehicles came to their house in the uh was it in the week prior. | |
| Cash is investigating that. | |
| He's investigating the Discord servers. | |
| They're investing and and he's publicly stated this. | |
| This is not a conspiracy. | |
| He he's investigating these people who allegedly who appeared to have foreknowledge. | |
| And thank God he is. | |
| I agreed, agreed. | |
| Uh so it's fascinating when the conspiracy theories come out. | |
| I'm like, guys, there is a conspiracy, it appears. | |
| You know, what Cash is literally telling you he's tracking all of these things. | |
| I think we're gonna find that there's more leftists involved in this. | |
| It was it was a good thing. | |
| Why did you tweet this? | |
| Right. | |
| What did you know? | |
| And and how did you rank by the way? | |
| So I saw there were some Discords that came out that that uh an account that has been associated with Tyler Robinson was, but it was more of like a gamer chat. | |
| Think about the people who use Discord, all right. | |
| Are you really just in one room? | |
| Yeah, no, it's like there was in several. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I've I've never heard of one person just in one room. | |
| I've never heard of that. | |
| Yeah, so it's like you they're like, oh, well, this Discord was apolitical. | |
| Yeah, because it was the apolitical, like guys in my high school who play Halo chat. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | |
| And then you can also just join the I am a you know, I'm transgender lunatic on the doing there's a lot of things. | |
| And then where's the so where's the furry chat? | |
| And where's the furry porn extreme furry porn chat that this guy was looking at, which included, by the way, depictions of like children or what they call cub porn. | |
| Oh, these people in in furry parlance, which is a term that I I have to know now. | |
| And if you have been on Discord, you will know transgender people are lunatics. | |
| Like they're just uh they're they're extremists and they take over things. | |
| So you can join some group that's related to something totally different, some game series, some hobby, but like the moderator will take it over and they'll be you know, some sort of furry or transgender thing. | |
| And then now the logo of your group has a permanent pride flag in the background. | |
| Uh a very funny example of this is like the the NFL subreddit on Reddit, like has permanent, like you know, the full trans pride flag is like still still waving on it right now in their center icon. | |
| Is that true? | |
| I mean I'm gonna I'm looking at it up right now on uh Reddit which forms the NFL subreddit. | |
| I I have a I'll ask another one. | |
| I mean, I know I don't dis I don't disbelieve you, but I've just I'm I have to see this. | |
| Why you guys are pulling up just where on the NFL subreddit? | |
| It's it's the main NFL subreddit. | |
| You gotta use the old form rather than the new form, which is what everyone prefers anyway. | |
| Look at it. | |
| It's right there. | |
| Just Isaac Newton's uh prism light. | |
| And then wait, if you want to if I have it pulled up actually, and there you go. | |
| It's it's like games that are like on right now that they're that they're referring to. | |
| Yep, yeah. | |
| Right here. | |
| Yeah, I think any ideology that takes over a system is right there, right there in the middle of it. | |
| The got the all the colors you have. | |
| And then it's and then right then the first top and the top thread there is Thursday night football. | |
| Who are why why why why are people watching football, man? | |
| Watch baseball. | |
| So the furries like it. | |
| So baseball is better like when the Phillies defeat the Dodgers on Saturday. | |
| Baseball's like playing pool, it's like pool. | |
| No wonder you like it. | |
| It's a cubs. | |
| It's more like accuracy. | |
| I I believe the Cubs did win, actually. | |
| I just saw that. | |
| And then shout out to the Cubs, by the way, because that was uh that was Charlie's team. | |
| Moral question about executions. | |
| You know, the Sox guy from the South Side, but, you know, when you leave Chicago, it's like the Cubs are your brother. | |
| So you can rag on them when you're in town, but when you're out of town, they're your team, no cubs. | |
| That's so with capital punishment. | |
| Um some people were like, or at least across my mind, public executions. | |
| We've kind of gotten rid of them in society because they maybe they do more harm than good. | |
| And I at first I was like, does this guy deserve to be lit up? | |
| Is that true in front of groups? | |
| But my concern would be that the video would be taken of it, and then that would re replicate a hundred million times online for little kids would see it and they'd go even crazier and it would do like public execution. | |
| So this is actually it's funny. | |
| I'm looking at Blake because this thing that you're talking about is one of the things that people have been using to smear Charlie about that he said on this program. | |
| I I don't remember the deal. | |
| No, we were debating this debate. | |
| And then on top of that, we also brought up I I brought up what I've argued before. | |
| I was like, well, yeah, the death penalty is not a very good deterrent now because it's a thing that is done a handful of times because it's 30 years after the fact it's not immediate. | |
| And I said, if you're gonna do it properly, like it should be swift, it should be pretty consistently applied for certain crimes. | |
| So it's like if you do assassination, if you do multiple mergers, like you will barring extreme mitigating circumstances, get the death penalty. | |
| And then one of the things I argued is it should arguably be done like in public in some way. | |
| Like people should be able to see justice being a few. | |
| And Blake, what did you say? | |
| And then I suggested So Charlie says, I think it should and then Charlie had said uh televised, right? | |
| Yeah, yeah. | |
| He was like, they should televise it. | |
| And then and then Blake added, and then he threw out, he's like, and what age like should we have people watch it? | |
| And I and I threw out, I was like, maybe 12. | |
| And my all to explain my thinking is we have people in like DC, for example, where if you have you heard about the carjackings going on in DC all the time. | |
| The people who do this are heavily minors because if you are 20 years old and carjack someone, you trigger like the federal carjacking offense and you sweat. | |
| You see this, but if you're a minor, you just go to Juvie. | |
| You know, a 13-year-old is involved in a shooting, a 13 carjacking, 130. | |
| You guys are wrong. | |
| You're wrong. | |
| Go deeper. | |
| 14 year olds are doing carjackings. | |
| Let me no, no, no, let me let me tell you. | |
| I can't speak for the rest of the country. | |
| I can tell you in Chicago, the urban violence that we have would not be solved or mitigated in any way by public executions or death penalty. | |
| I know what you're gonna say. | |
| You you do because I've talked about it before, and you're gonna agree with me. | |
| Maybe he won't. | |
| Uh no, no, no, no. | |
| So uh where I grew up, these a lot of the shootings you get in Chicago are about dishonor. | |
| So I actually I went night crawling with a journalist once, and we there's like five corpses. | |
| They were uh one house was an old lady who got shot because three dudes pulled up and unloaded switches spray to the house. | |
| They were looking for a dude who went on Snapchat and called the guy's girlfriend nasty or ratchet or something. | |
| Death penalty doesn't scare these guys because they they they want to go hard. | |
| If you take these urban criminals, and the penalty is they have to put on a diaper and a baby bonnet with a pacifier and hop like a bunny down Roosevelt Avenue, literally straight down it for like 12 miles, while everyone lines up and films it, and they have to say, I'm a big baby boo-boo over and over again, they'd stop committing crimes overnight. | |
| And I'm not exact I know it's a silly thought, and it's meant to be kind of silly. | |
| My point is if you tell them that you will dishonor them for life, they will hide from you and they will run in fear and they'll do everything they can to avoid. | |
| So you're saying public humiliation. | |
| I'm totally for that, by the way. | |
| I've often advocated, like, you know, I I'll joke. | |
| This is less of a serious thing, but I've pointed out it could work because the left always says abolish prisons. | |
| Right. | |
| And I'm like, you could abolish prison, like a lot of prisons if you basically just had a situation where you were placed prison where on the low end, severe public humiliation. | |
| Yes. | |
| So your first offense will like flog you in public or make you wear a diaper and do all of that. | |
| Bro, that makes them harder. | |
| No, but for flogging getting flogged like on your butt on your bare butt is pretty humiliating. | |
| These guys are gonna in public to to a certain degree, but getting beaten, anything that makes them hard, they like they they don't say I don't want to go to jail, they say when I'm not kidding. | |
| On the South side, they say, when I go to jail, I will do this. | |
| When I go to jail, I will do that. | |
| If this happens to me, I will do that. | |
| They brag about how they might get the death penalty. | |
| The reason you don't brag when you get flogged is if you're getting flogged properly, you start screaming really loudly while it happens because it's extremely painful. | |
| I I know you're saying that, dude, but these guys shoot each other for less. | |
| They know they will get shot for less in public. | |
| They don't care the list. | |
| Well, Blake, Blake, Blake was talking about a spectrum. | |
| So let's let's say spectrum, which is yeah, at the low end, you could humiliate someone in various ways. | |
| And I do think flogging would actually be pretty humiliating. | |
| And then the higher end would be things like, oh, we're gonna chemically castrate you because you are a habitual offender. | |
| That could be, or you know, literally castrate them. | |
| Either option. | |
| And then at the high end, death penalty. | |
| And then you would basically be able to get rid of vast majority of prisons if you had that level of estimation. | |
| Not in Chicago. | |
| Well, you know, maybe Chicago, we should just build a wall around it and not let anyone leave. | |
| So if you if you if you if you go to Chicago, you in in these neighborhoods, you get the death penalty for saying F you. | |
| These guys do not fear being killed. | |
| They're listless, purposeless, and they are killed for much less than the crimes you're describing. | |
| They will they will they like watch Nick Shirley's got a great video where he goes to uh gang territory, they all carry around guns and they're like, you'll die for being in the wrong neighborhood. | |
| The death penalty for crossing the wrong street. | |
| The flogging, I'll tell you this. | |
| Agreed, but it's gotta be a guy, uh it's gotta be a middle class white dad looking guy, and he's gotta be delivering the flogging with a guy bent over his lap while he wears a baby bonnet and a diaper. | |
| Here's another here's another thing beautiful. | |
| That's gonna be very, very offensive, but I guarantee you we'll make these guys avoid doing crime. | |
| Two guys who are accused of committing violent crime have to kiss each other in public. | |
| Oh these dudes and love and get thugging. | |
| Can we get the video? | |
| Is there too much swearing in that video? | |
| You gotta show uh there's the sug and love video from the boom dock because we're up we're on YouTube right now. | |
| Oh, yeah, you took two gangbangers who are accused of serious violent crimes, and you said we're gonna put you on stage at Grant Park and you're gonna kiss, they'd be like, I'm going to Canada. | |
| I'm going to Mexico. | |
| It's like it's like I'm I'm booting and thugging or something. | |
| Oh, I can't remember. | |
| I'm half kidding about the kissing thing. | |
| The the hopping down Roosevelt wearing a diaper and a baby bonnet with a pacifier, guaranteed it would work. | |
| Stockades. | |
| With this situation with Charlie's death, I I felt like the best, the best like defense of it ever happening, something like this ever happening in was that it was the movement was impervious. | |
| No, it's corkin and Duggan. | |
| The movement and Duggan. | |
| It wasn't derailed by Charlie's death. | |
| We're still it's still moving, if not even stronger than before. | |
| So the obviously Charlie's loss is like I mean, in incalculable. | |
| I have a question for you, Ian. | |
| Oh, finish your thoughts. | |
| Sorry. | |
| Oh, that if we break down into violence and start attacking in response, that that's the response they want. | |
| I heard you guys talking about rule for rat rules for radicals earlier. | |
| I have a question. | |
| Um What do you think is more cruel? | |
| You know, we we say no cruel and unusual punishment. | |
| What is more cruel? | |
| Putting someone in prison for 20 years, or putting them in prison for two years, but while they're in prison, it's a glass front, everyone can watch, and they have to wear a baby bonnet and a diaper the whole time they're in prison. | |
| Which is more cruel. | |
| Twenty years in prison, and you guys can answer this too. | |
| Or two years with a glass front, everyone can walk by. | |
| It's in the middle of downtown Chicago, people walk by, they can point, and you gotta get away. | |
| He let beast contestants like torment the prisoner in various ways. | |
| Like can't be a good thing. | |
| So and so donated 10,000 dollars. | |
| You don't get a toilet for the next one only if Mr. Beast has to go first. | |
| Actually, actually, but no, no, so what what do you think? | |
| Because of what's more cruel all of it. | |
| If the guy had a 20-year sentence legitimately, it would be the humiliating seeing them through the glass. | |
| Like if it was two different dudes. | |
| So I'm saying there's one guy. | |
| But you're taking two. | |
| When a court says the court says you can go to prison for 20 years. | |
| They put him in the hole, that's more cruel and usually. | |
| 20 years in a supermax prison or two years, but anybody's gonna you're gonna be in public and you gotta dress like a baby. | |
| Which which is more cruel. | |
| Probably 20 years, probably 20 years. | |
| I feel like we'd be at serious risk that they would just embrace the baby aesthetic. | |
| Like we have a gang called the babies. | |
| Like they would wear they would all wear diapers in public all the time. | |
| Torture just doesn't work. | |
| Like it's not torture. | |
| Like, I'm just gonna say urban culture is pretty good at making things cool. | |
| Torture, torture existed for us probably all human history until like eighty years ago or something. | |
| This isn't really important for you guys. | |
| The Chicago gangs are all Catholics. | |
| What? | |
| The Popes, the disciples. | |
| I'm not kidding. | |
| Um what are the yeah that they they tend to have Catholic names? | |
| Yeah, yeah. | |
| Uh maybe. | |
| Something's switched, and this is a little bit. | |
| There's a bunch of different popes too. | |
| I'm zooming out. | |
| When in like once we developed television and we were able to record our own behavior and see how how some of the stuff like beating women on it used to be cool on like a movie, Sean Connery would smack a girl, but and then we were like, hold on, maybe now that we can see it from a distance, we realize this aspect of our humanity is gonna change. | |
| Just the cut culture in general is like stop hitting women on TV. | |
| And um not torture is another thing. | |
| I disagree. | |
| Torture now that we can see the repercussions of it, like Ian, we've kind of pulled back on torture with a Geneva Convention. | |
| I gotta correct you. | |
| Striking women on TV is now comedy. | |
| I'm not kidding. | |
| Family Guy does it all the time. | |
| Okay, as like in comedy, you can pull it off, but like, you know, it's funny to people like less than me. | |
| That energy is kind of like, let's let's not do that anymore. | |
| Like they have a whole whole bit of Liam Neesom like beating some woman. | |
| Racism's kind of starting to vanish since the 50s and 60s since television. | |
| Not since DEI and wokeness emerged. | |
| But it started to change really like the whole world started to change when we saw ourselves from a distance. | |
| Um who did? | |
| The just the way we beat the water. | |
| I mean, like when Buzz Line looked at the earth and was like, ah that too. | |
| We saw the earth from a distance. | |
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| You're saying that television Because it's so much more persuasive than print, uh, especially on a mass scale. | |
| And and even more so than radio because it's visual, that uh the advent of television and the mass spread of television in uh from a commercial level and a personal level, uh particularly in the 1950s, and then that it may have led a sort of uh seated the ground for the counterculture of the 1960s and the cultural revolution that we saw in the United States. | |
| And in China, probably Mao's cultural revolution coincided with particularly radio. | |
| There's not a lot of video of that. | |
| Radio, yes, radio, because that was like the first step is all audio recording, just records in general, and then Hitler used it, obviously, to mass form an entire society for whatever purpose he had. | |
| Uh and then by the way, I am I am told to say happy birthday to uh Chris. | |
| So uh it's Chris's birthday out there, he's a big fan and good friends with Michael. | |
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| The reason I brought up is because if you could Oh, this is such a horrible thing to say out loud. | |
| It torture someone in in a deep fake. | |
| So they don't have to actually get tortured, but you get to watch them suffer, but you think it's real because it's a deep fake. | |
| Would that be effective humiliation? | |
| What if we could um put people in a Neuralink where it would simulate being in prison for 20 years, but it only took 20 minutes? | |
| That's coming. | |
| Wouldn't people use that to just like also fake live a long time? | |
| It's a movie. | |
| There's a movie about this. | |
| I was gonna say isn't that a they take eye drops with nanites in them that hit their memories, and then they get instantly get a memory of like skiing and aspen or something. | |
| Whoa. | |
| And so the the there's like a woman in a game. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Yeah, the the old Arnold Schwarzenegger like I'm gonna take a uh vacation to Mars. | |
| So there's like a guy and he says we can we can sell this to prisons, and then we can do 20 year prison sentences overnight, and then the woman who's works with them, she's like, This is supposed to be for entertainment, and then she like they get into a fight and then she makes him go to prison for a hundred years or something, and he's like, ah, and then a minute later comes back and he's insane. | |
| You could do the opposite too, where you put someone, they live their life 20 years go by, but they only remember like 10 seconds of it. | |
| How about this? | |
| How about this? | |
| Serious. | |
| What if we could use a neuralink and rewrite their brain? | |
| And it would it would keep their memories and their personality, but eliminate the ability to commit crime. | |
| Like literally they any time they w were would commit any kind of crime, they would get physically sick and and feel like scared. | |
| You know, there was uh there was this old 90s show called Babylon 5, I believe. | |
| I remember that. | |
| Where the hands is on that. | |
| They had an episode where like uh instead Of the death penalty, they would do death of personality basically. | |
| Wow. | |
| And they would kind of do a version of that, except they would also basically rewrite your personality. | |
| So like you would come back as like essentially a pro-social better person. | |
| I mean, this is this is the this this was the theory behind lobotomization. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Originally, that you know, if we remove certain parts of the brain that target aggression or you know, whatever the variety is. | |
| Uh I would say depends on the depends on the conversation. | |
| Let's say you've got somebody who's in the case uh let's say there's like a brutal murder and it's like death penalty warranted, and the court the courts are like, we can give the death penalty, or we can rewrite his brain so that he no longer has the ability to be violent or do any of these things. | |
| He'll still go to prison for a certain amount of time, like 20 years, but you know, would you prefer that over the death penalty? | |
| Twenty years in prison and a rewriting of their brain so they can never commit a murder again. | |
| No, Fryan I think that that it's really gonna start happening with Palantir and Neural Net, the ability to to and graphene sensors like super sensitive sensors where you can actually record brain waves and understand and reverse engineer thought patterns and stuff that we will have the opportunity to blank people's brains aspects of it without medical but then what happens when that system gets hacked? | |
| That's the problem, man. | |
| That's the problem. | |
| So uh I want to read some super chats. | |
| Yeah, I think we probably have some stuff too. | |
| I think I got one from A. Barnes who says, uh nameless and faceless round two. | |
| Who can name three leaders of Antifa? | |
| Who can name three leaders of anti if he says it over and over again because uh he thinks it's a gotcha? | |
| Um I'll say this. | |
| For legal reasons, I will simply direct you to Nate Friedman uh on Instagram, Nate Friedman underscore, and uh just watch his videos. | |
| So um I can probably name twelve or more. | |
| Yeah, I'm just going, I'm going through. | |
| I'm like, okay, so DT Antifa has this one, this one, this one, this one, uh the you know, and people who have been charged, by the way, uh, for for various things. | |
| Um the person who uh you know assaulted me in uh Lincoln Square Park when um you know, there's that picture of us. | |
| I'm gonna put it like this the name court records. | |
| Considering Trump has named them a terrorist organization, there's a whole legal minefield in starting to name people who we know are organizing these things and are working with funding. | |
| And uh I'm I'm actually friends a lot of them on Facebook, actually, because I know I'm from Zoccupy. | |
| And uh I would just say Nate Friedman is doing a really good job of investigating a lot of these people. | |
| You all you gotta do is look at his page, and he's got dossiers on these guys. | |
| It's crazy that ladies, the dude that I know on Facebook tends to type things like pick up bricks. | |
| I'm like, I feel like I should report it to the FBI. | |
| I'm like, then I think about the Nazis and how people would like inform on them when there's a Jew, and I'm like, I want nothing to do with this. | |
| Just distance myself from this crazy radical rhetoric. | |
| You're right, Ian, those are the same thing. | |
| Like being a Jew who owns a store is the same thing as being a violent extremist who wants people to go commit acts of terrorism. | |
| Right, because pick up bricks. | |
| Right. | |
| We all know like it doesn't call sarcasm. | |
| It doesn't, he's not commanding someone to go throw it, but like what else would you be holding? | |
| I'm not playing this game. | |
| I'm not Jack's not playing this game. | |
| Tweedledee Tweedledumb death threats, don't fly anymore, lock them all up. | |
| If if Tweedle D says pick up a brick, if Tweedledum says fascists should hit with bricks, but then what if he would have said there's the fascists? | |
| What if he tweeted out hey fascist catch? | |
| Right, yeah, it's sensitive to the time of that being on a bullet that was used. | |
| Well, look if someone we are now in a post-Charlie Kirk world. | |
| Well then in a post-Charlie Kirk world, uh I think a lot of those niceties that we used to play by, they just don't apply. | |
| So what happens with people that witness things like pick up a brick and they don't say anything about it, are they now an accomplice? | |
| It's not no, it it is it is they are cowards. | |
| It is not a crime to not report a crime. | |
| Um, however, you you should, as a citizen of the United States, because you would want to know if someone was so let's say someone had decided to, and I mean, look, let's let's be fair. | |
| Um obviously uh this studio, this uh turning point has faced uh numerous threats. | |
| You guys have been swatted and uh targeted so many times. | |
| So I would absolutely pick up the phone and call Tim or call you and say, hey guys, I saw this thing, you might want to key into it. | |
| And we and this happens, and I've been in uh this is current. | |
| I'm not gonna get into specifics for security reasons, but I've currently been in contact directly to with the FBI over what's going on. | |
| That's how Serious things are right now. | |
| So my point is this. | |
| If Tweedledee says someone should kill fascists, and then Tweedledumb points at Jack and goes, hey, look, a fascist, lock them both up. | |
| The point of what they're doing is they're trying to say, as long as half of the phrase is from one person and half is from the other, we haven't created a an imminent threat against an individual. | |
| I say, I don't care. | |
| I'm not playing that stupid game. | |
| We know exactly what you're doing and why you're doing it. | |
| Blake, are you like what kind of level of brutal I asked these guys this last night? | |
| Level of brutality are you at this point? | |
| Because I know you were there with Charlie when he was killed. | |
| Like Jack said, like, three feet away or something, six feet away. | |
| Ten. | |
| Ten feet away. | |
| Three steps. | |
| And I imagine that that changed your nervous system or something, did it? | |
| Uh I don't want to presume things. | |
| Um we got here, he was screaming and punching a pillow. | |
| But it was a pillow that looked like Ian's. | |
| There's like I ask only uh and I'll let you answer if you do have the I'm thinking of the Mylai massacre in Vietnam where the troops were basically broken by seeing their friends die and they massacred a village of women and children, and then they had to land a guy land a helicopter, pointed at the guns at his own men, and was like, Stop or I'm gonna kill you all. | |
| And it was the captain got charged and then pardoned for it. | |
| Are you in that state? | |
| I don't want to talk too much about it, not the least, because I've been told not to say too much about it as an eyewitness. | |
| Um Blake could be called at the trial. | |
| Yeah, I'm not sure what I'd say besides what I saw, but uh I don't know. | |
| I I guess I I just would prefer rather not to wallow in that. | |
| I would I would say though that Blake look, you've been here every day since. | |
| I mean, you've been handling it for and and everyone here who who was there, including uh we have staffers here who uh went even beyond that. | |
| And I just don't want to get into it right now, but you know, it's uh I I and I'll just answer in for Blake in a sense, you've you've never called for anything other than a fair trial. | |
| That's all he said. | |
| And we were here live when uh they announced the charges, and we had a very civil discussion about how we want this person to have a fair trial. | |
| So and that's that's what we want. | |
| I was I was nasty in one way. | |
| There was that fellow on the campus who, according to police, he like after the shot happened, the older guy, yeah. | |
| The older guy who like kind of tried to take credit for it. | |
| Which he later came out and said he was trying to be a decoy. | |
| Exactly. | |
| And according to reports, he's like a known campus nuisance. | |
| Right, right. | |
| He in fact I think they had a standing order to arrest him if he was seen, but he blended in because there were so many people. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Uh I would say I am uh so minded, I would say, like, why should that person not be charged as an after-the-fact accessory? | |
| I don't understand why we would be. | |
| I don't think it's fascinating. | |
| He was attempting to help at a murderer. | |
| He helped he helped a murderer escape. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I I asked about the brute like what level of brutality. | |
| It's I mean it's so many things. | |
| I feel like we're on the precipice of like a some sort of brutality. | |
| But again, that's not brutality. | |
| That is I'm talking about justice. | |
| Now government coming to use the the boot of of force on and terror networks, and like and in China, like we had the Tian Min Square massacre that was incredibly brutal and then silenced the rapids. | |
| According to the government, they were. | |
| And then the Hong Kong riots where they were out there spraying water with mixed with um you know pepper spray with blue ink so that they can burn these people's skin and then track them down later, like it wasn't to burn their levels, track them down later. | |
| And it burned their skin in the process with the pepper spray, but what level of brutality would you be willing to accept to get this job done? | |
| Do you go what job? | |
| Quelling the chaos. | |
| I know that's a vague term, and it's never again. | |
| Right, let me slow you down and try and explain something. | |
| I don't think you know what's going on in the world, nor do you understand what it takes to create a civil civil uh a society. | |
| Uh and uh I'm not saying that derisively. | |
| You're saying what degree of brutality are you willing to accept? | |
| Apparently, even the assassination of our friend has not changed our minds in escalating force in any unlawful way. | |
| So the point is they have not only killed people we love and care about, they have killed innocent bystanders, they have shot people simply for driving their cars, they have imprisoned the president, they've arrested his lawyers, they have they they they have committed such egregious violations of our moral worldview, the degree of brutality, I think uh let's just call it 100% brutality. | |
| Because I think when you when you arrest Trump's lawyers on Constitutionally, raid his home, target his family, when you arrest all of his business associates, falsely accuse him of rape, run them through the courts, try and seize his property, falsely accuse him of fraud, target his supporters, create a a police force that goes nationwide raids people's homes. | |
| We're talking about the highest degree of brutality. | |
| So what degree of brutality are willing to accept? | |
| Apparently all of it in return now. | |
| Because like worst case, I'm thinking I'm picturing oh, we get we're gonna we're gonna get moving. | |
| But to go like if Antifa were to hole up in a building, they're they're leaders and they're pointing their guns out, and they're not letting guys in guy try to kick the windows in, Navy SEALs, four troops get killed, they're like, just blow up the building. | |
| They got civilians in there, take out the building. | |
| We don't care. | |
| Uh no, I'm just saying that if you know, if we do want to get to some more chats, we're gonna be able to do that. | |
| Thank you guys for waiting for spurs. | |
| Let's read those before we lose time. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | |
| We're getting close because I think we're gonna lose the studio, and it's just we started we start a little bit late. | |
| Right, right, right. | |
| But you know, if if there's any if there's any specific ones you wanted to get to or something. | |
| Yeah, I don't see any. | |
| Uh I might have missed some on ours because I only started looking late. | |
| Right. | |
| So apologize if that I apologize if that happened to any of you. | |
| Um, but we can check the ones on YouTube too. | |
| All right. | |
| Well, let me uh let me grab one that's uh Enrique AC says between the hats, music and the shout-out, I feel very seen today. | |
| Longtime fan, love you all. | |
| I am Charlie Kirk. | |
| What does he mean by the hats? | |
| I don't maybe Ian, he's got a little bit of a channel. | |
| I brought this up. | |
| Yeah, Ian's wearing a legal seconds and everybody. | |
| It's uh it uh someone in chat said that it was like uh a some uh a Yamaka Samboro. | |
| Yes a sombrero Yamako. | |
| You know me. | |
| Shalom. | |
| Shout out to all the Jews and all the Mexicans and everybody else. | |
| Hey guys. | |
| That's today, I think. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I can't scroll. | |
| This is so annoying. | |
| I'm trying to scroll. | |
| Um Tim Neil says, Wow, Ian, your account of the Mylai Massacre didn't even uh it didn't even one single fact. | |
| I I gotta agree. | |
| I I pulled it up right away and I was like, Ian, you're wrong. | |
| What about? | |
| Well, you said that like they were so shocked by seeing their friends killed or whatever. | |
| Yeah, they were more battle fatigued. | |
| It it just says that they gang raped women, they did do that. | |
| Mutilated bodies, I yeah. | |
| And only one guy and children. | |
| The captain that issued it. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Command and Nixon pardoned him. | |
| Like, William Callie was the name of it. | |
| But I don't trust Wikipedia anyway. | |
| By the way, their public opinion was stro or strongly on his side, if I remember correctly, because they they viewed him as being extremely overcharged. | |
| I think we covered this like a while ago, didn't we? | |
| I'm not sure. | |
| I don't think I was there if we did. | |
| I I remembered just talking about this not long ago. | |
| Yeah, not with me, I don't think. | |
| Okay. | |
| Ferris says, not much, but here's a donation for your security. | |
| I'll become a member tonight. | |
| Love what you do, keep up the fight. | |
| And there's two things all of you can do, and you should do. | |
| You can join our Discord server at Timcast.com and you can sign up for a turning point USA and become a monthly donor and help them do the work they're doing. | |
| And uh, I don't know if if your show actually has some some uh an alternate form uh as well for for membership of the There is uh CK exclusives if they want to sign up for that with uh throw it up. | |
| So I I think it is uh what is it? | |
| Is it Charlie Kirk exclusive? | |
| Uh someone's just go to go to Charlie Kirk.com, you'll you'll see how to do it there. | |
| And there's exclusives, exclusive content. | |
| Um Erica, who was was here the other day, sitting right where Blake is. | |
| Uh Tim, actually, where you're sitting right now is where Erica gave her speech. | |
| I'm on you know, that's that's the spot. | |
| And and uh she said there is there are unreleased uh you know tapes and you know, maybe speeches that were uh private for a you know a fund fundraising group, etc. | |
| that people can go into and so uh members at Charlie Kirk, members.charlie Kirk.com, members. | |
| Charlie Kirk dot com to get there. | |
| I wanted to address just what he was saying about security too. | |
| I I I've talked to for the longest time. | |
| Everyone always says don't talk about what's going on with security. | |
| Uh Steven Crowder pointed this out. | |
| I've been talking about it a little bit more, and I I've just had a few more conversations as of recent. | |
| Uh obviously, I'll keep it a bit vague, but in the past couple of weeks, the amount of threats we've got have been extremely serious and have escalated to the point where I'm in direct contact with the FBI, which is a pretty crazy thing to say, because I wouldn't have bothered doing that in the previous administration. | |
| I think we did. | |
| We had a bunch of threats with the bomb threats of swattings and they didn't do jack. | |
| Uh this current FBI is taking it very seriously, and the threats we have are legit and very serious, and probably the worst we've ever seen. | |
| I've been told quite a bit by everybody, just don't bring it up, don't talk about it, you make it worse. | |
| The problem with that is is exactly as Steven Crowder pointed out, so I stand with him in saying this. | |
| If we do not explain to everybody watching that in order to have shows like this where we're goofing off and having philosophical conversations about morals and stuff. | |
| Just doing this results in people taking real action to try and end our lives. | |
| And in Charlie's case, they they these horrible people murdered this man. | |
| I think it's important that we do talk about it when it does happen. | |
| I've talked about, you know, we we the swatting's never stopped. | |
| We got SWAT 15 times in one year. | |
| We just had security handle it. | |
| We say, well, just we're just done talking about it. | |
| I mean, what's the point? | |
| Are we gonna keep sitting? | |
| Are we gonna be the SWAT show where we say, hey, it happened again? | |
| So with the threats that we get now, I do think when when it when it when it's relevant, when it matters, we we should talk about this. | |
| And I should tell you that it's very serious right now. | |
| It's extremely expensive. | |
| We are spending tens of thousands of dollars more than we normally do because of how serious it is. | |
| And I I'm literally having to get on the phone with the FBI because of how serious it is. | |
| I don't want to go into any personal details, but let me just say these things are terrifying. | |
| If we don't talk about it, regular people have the perception that we're chilling, having a good time, making bank, life is good. | |
| The left, I don't think experiences the degree of threats that we do. | |
| Um I will say this there's a particular leftist personality who lives in a normal urban neighborhood with neighbors, everybody knows this, and he doesn't seem to have a care in the world, despite having a massive audience and being a prominent leftist. | |
| And I have to move out of the city and get away because we had a pedophile trying to break into my house when I was in Jersey. | |
| And the cops the worst things to have break into your house. | |
| Indeed. | |
| And the cops told me if I defended myself, I'd go to prison. | |
| So I'm like, okay, time to move, time to get away. | |
| Well, you're not a you're not a child, he's not after you. | |
| You would have no reason to defend yourself. | |
| I guess that's the reason. | |
| The kid that you were keeping out of the bed that they would have freaked out. | |
| New Jersey says that if you can flee, you have to. | |
| And if you can't flee, don't worry. | |
| After you're charged with felony murder, we'll figure it out. | |
| Even in your house. | |
| In your house. | |
| In New Jersey, if you are in your home. | |
| If you are in your home and someone breaks in and screams that they're going to kill you, you cannot shoot them. | |
| The only circumstance in which you are allowed is if you are trapped. | |
| Now here's the thing. | |
| You will be arrested. | |
| I asked the cops, I talked to a lawyer about this. | |
| They said, You will be arrested after killing this person. | |
| You will be charged with felony murder. | |
| At court, you will argue you could not escape. | |
| If, however, the defense, the prosecution will then argue, here's why you could have. | |
| If it is all brought to you brought to you, and you answer the question that, well, maybe I could have escaped, prison. | |
| If you say, Where what where am I supposed to escape to? | |
| Prison. | |
| Because what you're telling the judge and the jury is I would rather murder a man than stand outside in the cold. | |
| You are not allowed to kill people in New Jersey. | |
| In Maryland, only if they try to break into your house. | |
| This is a perfect example of why the next governor of New Jersey should be Jack Sciatterelli. | |
| Indeed. | |
| And make jer New Jersey red jersey make that happen. | |
| We've seen, and we talked about last night, Tim, uh, I think three independent polls now in a row uh saying that this race is either within the margin of error or is completely tied. | |
| That is a perfect example. | |
| Restore the right of self-defense to New Jerseyans. | |
| And yes, yes, even as a Pennsylvanian, I will say that New Jerseyans do deserve rights. | |
| Uh you know, you know, well, we case by case basis, perhaps. | |
| But you know, the right to self-defense should be sacrosanct, and this is absolutely something that a new governor and uh legislature, of course, hopefully can push through. | |
| And always remember the big picture rule. | |
| The reason this is the law is that when someone breaks into your home, the right implicitly sympathizes with the homeowner who wants to be in attacked, and the left naturally sympathizes with the person breaking in. | |
| Yes. | |
| Should we do wrap up we wrap up? | |
| We we should. | |
| We're just about at time. | |
| Tim, this has been wild. | |
| That's funny, bro. | |
| It's been so awesome. | |
| Uh you guys having us here and and affording us the ability to do the show from Charlie's studio to get to sit next to his great chair to get to uh have IRL in your in in the TPSA buildings. | |
| It's a it's it's an honor and a privilege. | |
| Well, I mean, I you know, we appreciate so much that you came in, that you dedicated an entire week to this to being here, and and you know, Tim's like, oh, well, it's scheduling. | |
| No, come on, me, you still did it. | |
| You still did it. | |
| And it and and I don't want to downplay it. | |
| It's tough. | |
| Security is tough. | |
| Yeah, and and you still did it. | |
| And you know, and I'm I'm not saying I'm judging people, you know, if they if they weren't able to make it to memorial or something like that, but you were here. | |
| You were here at a time like this. | |
| I'm honored to be Uh uh to be invited. | |
| Let's do it again. | |
| Yeah, smash the like button, share the show on both channels, subscribe to all the shows. | |
| You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. | |
| They ordered me on to X now. | |
| Yes. | |
| I'm there. | |
| Blake is now a real boy. | |
| Blake S. Snaff. | |
| A real boy. | |
| Blake, of course, was smeared and doxxed and had been canceled in 2020, right? | |
| Yep. | |
| Yeah, in 2020. | |
| Not a good time by CNN. | |
| And uh his first video went viral with you and Tucker Carlson sitting right here and talking about how it was Charlie Kirk who uh who said, you know what? | |
| I'm gonna hire that guy. | |
| I don't care what they said. | |
| Uh what is your Twitter again? | |
| Blake at Blake S. Neff. | |
| It would be Blake Neff, but I had to delete that one when they doxxed me. | |
| So now I have to add my middle initial to it. | |
| Can you get it back, man? | |
| Uh they didn't let me right now. | |
| So maybe Elon will have to be. | |
| We have to go get his number. | |
| Blake, I know. | |
| Yeah, he's got his back. | |
| Yes. | |
| Ian Cross. | |
| At Ian Crosslin. | |
| You can find me there, everywhere on the internet, YouTube, Twitter, all the good websites. | |
| Follow me at Ian Crosslin. | |
| Again, man, thank you guys so much for hosting. | |
| Thank you, Charlie, for everything you've done and what you've built. | |
| And we will continue this process and make it even better than you could have ever imagined. | |
| Thank you. | |
| All right, ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more thought crime. |