The Power of Words: How Liberalism Works w/ Greg Gutfeld
Why is it “gender-affirming care” instead of “medieval butchery?” Why do liberals who are already a majority so obsessed with stamping out the last holdout in the room? Charlie and Greg Gutfeld talk about the crucial importance of honest language, and why so much of the left’s power depends on controlling the words that people use and taking out every alternative. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Music How about Greg Gutfeld, everybody?
You know.
I expected more pyrotechnics.
You know, as you see, we're downsizing.
I want somebody to lose a finger when I come out.
We um isn't Greg the best.
I I watch him almost every night, I'll tell you.
Stop it.
Stop it.
You crazy kids.
The I wonder if has anybody here ever seen Red Eye.
Oh.
I was just wondering how old you were because that was the first show.
It was no hands went up around here.
I know they're going to what this is student sections right up there.
Yeah, they're going like, you mean the movie Red Eye?
Or yes, so Greg, I know there's a lot going on in the news.
Um, obviously, the most important thing that you want to talk about is the fact that we no longer have to take our shoes off at the airport when we fly on the show.
Yeah.
I mean, that that is the most important news of the week.
Yes.
I want to I I like the fact that I can keep my shoes on and take my pants off.
No, it's crazy.
Every day is good news.
It's like 365 days of Christmas.
And once once in a while you get something that's you're not happy about, but the whole package is amazing.
It's like the election of Trump is like you, you you know, you wanted a beautiful, you wanted your parents to buy you a car for your 16th birthday, and you got the car, but maybe it doesn't have it's not the right color.
You know, so you you may you stop whining.
This is like the best thing that's ever happened to to our political system in ages.
And and Greg, you made a really good point backstage, which is look, there's disagreements in our movement and people are fighting back and forth.
But you look at this as a positive of an attribute of a movement that has strength.
This is a this is a um party.
This is a movement that is so transparent that even their cover-ups are transparent.
They're not even trying.
It's like everything that you've seen is one collective wink.
It's like, dude, yeah, we get it.
You know, Epstein Epstein was probably a honeypot operation, but it's like a CIA thing, you know, it sucks.
But what I the way I look at it is that again, in the with the Christmas analogy, you got everything you wanted, you're not gonna get everything, but you're gonna get to see how it's made and you know what's going on.
You may not know who's you know who's stopping that, but what's what's important for you to know is right now the Democrats, this is all they have.
All they have is the conflict that's going on on the other side.
So they are like you'll notice certain alignments happening where all of a sudden CNN is now covering Epstein.
Didn't do it before.
And you see, you'll start seeing these like liberal alignments because they want to, they want the fractions, they want people to break apart.
You don't want to give them that.
So even when there's certain things that are happening that are upsetting to you, you have to step back, look at the big picture.
Don't lose sight of the changes that you're experiencing and how together, like I want to take, I have to take Umbridge with Tucker Carlson.
Go ahead.
All right, who whom I love.
Um when he said that the uh getting uh boys out of girls' sports was an appetizer.
Well, hell, I could eat appetizers all day.
I that to me is a really big deal.
And you gotta understand, I was talking about the uh issue of transgenderism and and boys and women's sports when people weren't talking about it, and I was getting a lot of crap for it.
People kept asking me, why do you keep bringing this up?
Why do you keep bringing this up?
And I say, because you compel me to.
I don't want to think about this.
This was never on my agenda.
But the moment pronouns came out, I realized wait, you're compelling me to think a certain way.
And that's a that's a line you can't cross.
You may think it's a side issue, but the bigger issue is compelling you to obey.
That was it.
So the appetizer, you gotta eat that appetizer to get to the main course.
Or you can take all the appetizers and make a main course.
That to me was probably the big issue for me, and it allows us to speak freely about one of the biggest delusions, one of the biggest hoaxes of our time, the idea that there are trans kids that you need to operate on, which 10 years from now, 20 years ago from now, there will be people that will be embarrassed to even like admit they believed it, they will act like it never happened.
Well, and not only that, there are detransitioners here at this event.
I think Chloe Cole is here somewhere, and it it is it's not an insignificant portion of the population.
And by the way, to your kind of analogy about President Trump and the good he's doing his administration, Greg, we need to make it a goal, hopefully by the end of this administration, we are going to end every gender-affirming care clinic and child butchery in this country.
We're not gonna allow it to happen.
It's a you know, it's a uh it's a good lesson that you're learning when you're young is pay attention to language.
Uh think about the phrase gender affirming care.
No, it sounds wonderful.
You're affirming a gender.
That is your, I guess that is your warning that it's something awful.
Whenever the language um camouflages its actual meaning, you cannot say uh irreversible surgery and put high-risk hormones.
You say gender affirming, affirming as the positive.
They do this with everything.
Let's remember that you know abortion is now pro-choice, because pro-choice is an affirming phrase.
So you always have to look at that and see, okay, what is underneath it?
It's part of the it's part of the I think the education of your brain, learning to question the actual words they use first and foremost.
Yeah, and I mean there's so many other examples.
I mean, that they'll use undocumented immigrants.
I mean, no they will correct people on other networks if you say illegal immigrants.
Somebody tried to do that to me on Fox once.
I can't remember who they were, Heraldo, but um uh it is like again, why so it's almost like they can't tackle the issue, so they dance on the edge of the issue.
And the words, yeah, they use virtue signaling bullying over semantics.
Yes, exactly.
If you don't use my word, therefore you're a bad person.
Yes.
And and by the way, the way that we should talk about gender-affirming care, child castration, and medieval butchery.
How's that for language changes?
You know, uh do you think we're getting better at language on the right?
Well, I think part I think the the great thing is that we're no longer uh afraid of sharing the risk.
And I you know, people like you, Charlie, uh, and even and and Trump, people have to be the you know, the tip of the spear.
A lot of people were too like you take the issue like trans.
You don't want to be bullied online by people by if you say what you feel, like if you think about the athletes that were too t too timid to say they didn't want to change in front of a guy.
They didn't want to share the risk with the you know, the Riley Gaines, the people who did take the risk.
But what you're seeing is what it it's it's a natural thing.
When you see somebody that you know taking a risk, you're more likely to share that risk with them.
So what's happening is now, because we are sharing the risk and being able to say what we want, the language changes.
And that's a new phenomenon, Greg.
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So you've been coming to our events seven, eight years, right?
Yeah.
And in my back when I was in my early 20s.
Sure.
Yeah.
When I was in my early 20s, not you.
Uh but Greg, something has changed profoundly.
When you f first started coming to these events, first of all, the crowds were much smaller.
Right.
But the energy was different because there was campus rebellion energy that still exists here.
But culturally, Greg, it's kind of as if we're winning.
Am I allowed to say that?
Um, in fact, I believe we talked about this, I think the first time I was here, and I had written about this, I don't know, 20 years ago, about the ability to flip the script.
You guys hopefully will never grow up in a time where everybody on the right was seen as evil.
I mean, you kind of do now, but when I was growing up, you in every movie, in every TV show, it was the person who believes in law and order, the conservative who was seen as evil, the person on the left was seen as hip and cool.
This is completely flipped.
A lot of it has to do with humor.
Now, who are the humorless people?
They're on it's a complete flip.
The the least funny people on the planet on the planet are liberals.
They're literally it's hard.
It's hard to take a joke when you are the joke, and they can't they cannot see that they're the joke.
Meanwhile, the best thing you can do when you're in conflict with anyone is to have fun.
While I I watch Charlotte when you do those, uh when you talk to people, you're never angry.
You d you don't, it's not like you're judging the person, you're just having fun.
This is an example that I uh uh a comparison I use with when fans of Obama talk about Obama, they talk about him in solemn terms, in serious terms.
So true.
When people who like Trump talk about him, they're laughing.
We and I I stole this line from Michael Malice.
We don't when whenever Trump says something, I go, we don't deserve him.
No matter what he does, you can't help but smile.
And when you're defending him, it's fun.
When you're not defending him, it's even fun.
I mean it's like, for example, he just did a uh he posted on Truth Social about stripping um Rosie, what's her name again?
Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship, which is impossible.
We know it's impossible.
We know it's hilarious, but it makes news, and you see all the people on uh the the liberal blog social media pulling their hair out, you know, oh autocracy, he wants to strip Rosie O'Donnell of her citizen.
No, he doesn't.
He's just sticking his finger in your eye, and we love every minute of it.
So let's go a step further.
I I want to analyze the psychology of humor a little bit more.
Is it fair to say that that those that can't take a joke are insecure, and that the left is actually f full of a lot of people that are hyper-credentialed, over-educated in an upper middle class environment, but deeply down or very insecure.
Yeah, I mean, you what you kind of describe what they appear to be, but you're Yeah, but you want to know what's underneath it.
And you know, I think about that a lot, and I think about you know, when I was uh in high school, I was a liberal, and I think one of the things I I liked about it was that it was it w we didn't have a name for it, it was virtue signaling, but it was easy status.
If you wanted status, high status from a teacher, you uh push a a liberal perspective in your debates or in your term papers.
So if what what is important to you is status.
I need to know that everybody around me likes me.
Then I will look at what is popular and I will echo that.
That's how liberalism kind of works.
One of the things I always tell young conservatives, like what happen what do I do when I'm outnumbered when I'm there and I'm being ganged up on by three or four people, and I always say, ask them why it's so important that I bel that I agree with you.
Yeah.
Why is it why do you need me, why is it so important that I should agree with you?
And then you might say, I think if you're looking for if you're looking for reassurance that you are right, I'm the wrong person.
And it's a very simple way of cause because they have to leave, they have they should ask themselves, why is it important that you agree with me?
Because they themselves aren't sure.
They are not sure.
It goes to the insecurity.
But it has to do with a desire to be cool, i.e.
status, but they they they then mistake what is cool, which is they think it's rebellion, but it's actually uh false rebellion.
What is rebellious, what is truly rebellious is rebelling against the rebellion.
That means if the guy says, Look, dude, I am you know, I think that like uh the police suck, I'm gonna throw rocks at ice, because I'm a rebel, the true rebel tells that guy to f off.
Excuse my language.
But so what conservatism is has always been rebellion against rebellion.
And that is that is the real risk in life because you will be unpopular among the the midwits, the lower intellect, the people who think they're anybody who thinks they're smarter than you isn't, and they know that.
So that is why that is why they adhere to um easy status through virtue signaling that then they don't do anything about.
They can talk about climate change all they want, but then if you know their best friend scores first class tickets for spring break, they're on that plane.
Well, and Greg, you said something a couple years ago when we chatted, and it's so important, which is and I've tried to apply this rule.
It doesn't apply perfectly, but when you see a social movement that continues to push forward when there is high social cost, they're worth at least listening to.
So when there is a movement of people and they're getting canceled or smeared, potentially imprisoned, and they keep fighting for that thing, you should hear them out.
Yes.
And then this is the point of the kids on campus where you're surrounded by libs being like, why do you think I believe my life's not easier because of the Yes, and yet you're reminding me of something I said that I would have completely forgotten.
You're welcome.
I th I'm on the second part.
It's a it's on the previous it's actually a really great point.
I know it came from me.
Thank you.
It's like, do you ever wonder why I would risk this?
Do you ever think to yourself I'm outnumbered by you?
Do you ever ask yourself, why would this person do this?
Aren't you the least bit curious about that?
That usually really can freeze somebody.
It's complete cognitive dissonance, right?
And so I'm glad you remembered that.
See, this is the problem with getting old.
I can't remember my best stuff.
That's why I'm here.
I I remember your stuff for you.
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So think about it.
If you're ever outnumbered, instead of talking about politics or stuff, just say, listen, my view comes at a high social cost on this college campus.
Yeah.
High social cost.
I could how many kids here are graded differently because your conservative views?
Raise your hand.
Okay.
Almost every student hand goes up.
So therefore, it's there you're making a conscious decision to suffer to some degree for a transcendent value.
Yeah.
And you should tell your your lib friends or whatever, I could have comfort if I conform.
So why don't I?
Yes.
I could actually get better grades like you if I said what you said, but I'm not.
Isn't that kind of interesting to you?
Yeah, it's it it it's uh it's kind of like um, you know, I I mean I'm a I'm pro-life, and I I mean I run into the you know, most people I know in my in almost all people I know in my industry are pro-choice.
And I know when I know that I am always, always outnumbered.
And but I I I always I'm always like, don't you even wonder like why I like you seem to agree with a lot of things I say.
You think that I'm a smart person?
Do you think I'm just crazy on one thing?
Like, oh, he's really good on the economy, he's really good on foreign policy, he's a he can write well, but he's completely nuts on unborn children.
That doesn't really logically make sense.
You know, do you know what's interesting about really, really smart pro-choice person people?
They admit it's murder.
Oh, I find this on campus.
They have to.
Yeah.
They have to have to go, look, you know what?
I'm not gonna argue what it is murder, but I'm still for it.
That was a kind of a that was like the liberal comedian way of dealing with it.
I think I I I there almost every smart comedian when they talk about abortion will not deny that it's murder.
And then everyone laughs at the you know, comic club.
I guess that makes it okay.
Yeah, it's okay.
At least you're being honest.
But this is another important point that Greg is making.
That if you have earned social trust with people in your circle, defending that view that might be seemingly unpopular can convert that whole social circle to be a conservative.
Yes.
Because they'll think, wow, this is a good person.
It's not just being right, it's also character.
Yes, right.
You know, it's it's a this is a really a really good point.
And um, for example, uh, if you're in an office and you're working, um being an appealing person there, it's like a young person will come in and they're and when a young person starts at work, they're looking for somebody, not necessarily a mentor, but somebody that like they can kind of identify with, make them feel at ease.
And when you're that person, and every every single person has that.
Like when I got to when I first started working at Men's Health or uh at Prevention Magazine or different places, I identified, I uh I would boil it down to this.
When you see you'll see somebody you work with and you go, I want what that person has.
Like, what is it about them that makes them confident and and and strong and and cool?
Like it's weird.
You know, the word cool originated originated from the word calm.
A lot of people don't know it.
It's like you're always Looking for the calm person in the storm.
And when you're that per when you are that person, people want to know why.
This is why being his like being politically hysterical doesn't win when um uh followers.
It's like Charlie, if you're calm, people are interested.
So but getting back to the point about character.
If somebody see if if somebody sees that everything that you're doing is working, and then they find out that you have an opinion that they detest.
Like the perfect thing is Trump.
It's great when you when the most successful person in the group, they find out is a Trump supporter, and they go, My God, you're an idiot.
And he goes, Yeah, I'm an idiot.
Uh have you seen where I live?
Have you seen my family?
So they have to like all of a sudden start re-in, like reconfiguring the way they think.
Did you see that HBO uh the part of what that show White Lotus or something?
Yes.
There was like a three-minute clip.
I don't watch the show.
Well, they found out that the women found out that like their old friend who they they love and they adore, all of a sudden she's like very quietly, like doesn't deny don't you say she didn't didn't deny she voted for Trump?
Yes, yeah.
And it went anyway from a drama standpoint, it was so beautifully written.
Yeah, it was it was nice.
And it it's like I think that they're coming to grips with the idea that they kind of like they went too far in the world of demonizing.
I may you're making me think of something about like uh when when um like I've lost friends, uh people that you probably know, like people that I've worked with uh over uh Trump.
And whenever somebody, and I'll see it in interviews, they'll ask, what happened to Gottfeld?
And they go, Oh man, he like you know, he knew where he knew uh where his bread was buttered.
Oh, he's he's it's it was his way to climb the ladder.
It's like I I watch people try to figure out why.
Like, why do I support Trump without ever actually honestly asking why everybody does.
It's like is it it's like only the oh they it's the I think the the belief is only dumb people do, but when a smart person does it, it's because they're selling out.
And what's so funny is if they stopped coping, yes, and started understanding, which is what I did.
They would actually be in a better place.
You know, remember, I was I was um I knew Trump before he ran, I liked him.
I I did not support him when he ran in in uh I say 2015.
But a lot of it was a coping thing, it was a personal issue with me.
And I and like I suddenly realized what is going on here.
Of A, I had a sunk cost that I'd already be it when you express criticism for something over and over again and you realize you might be wrong, you don't want to let go.
It's a it's the sunk cost.
It's like being in a bad marriage or a bad relationship.
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So that made it hard to say, but what was great and what was wonderful is that when he won, I said, Great, he's my president, now I can start clean.
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If you know, it's not about his tweets, it's about is your life getting better.
And that's what like completely that framework changed me, and it made me see that I had been like obsessed with something so stupid that I turned out ended up I really liked, which are his tweets.
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I want to I want to touch on two final things in our time remaining.
The Democrats are trying to figure out what they're doing.
I mean, look, the Democrat Donald Trump controls the Democrat platform.
He just has to do something, they do the opposite, right?
So the Democrat platform is completely controlled by Donald Trump.
Yes, exactly.
No, they will do the they will do.
If he says, if he told the Democrats, don't punch yourself in the face.
They will start smacking each, they'll just break their own noses.
You know what it is?
It's the um when you choose common sense as your higher it's uh it's called the high ground maneuver.
What can let's say you you your opponent chooses the the path of common sense.
What do you choose to oppose it?
Uh not common sense.
That's what they're doing.
They don't because there's nothing if you choose the uh common sense is the higher ground, there's nothing around it to stand on.
So you're stuck doing really stupid things.
You're on every 80 or 90, 20, 10 issue, you're choosing the bad guy.
You're choosing the Maryland dad.
You know, it's you're choosing gangs, you're choosing uh pot farmers because you can't you can't match it.
So which I'm for, by the way.
Those kids need to get strong.
You know what I'm saying?
It's underrated.
Their little hands are really good with fixing watches.
Clip that, please, and uh put that up there.
Greg, Greg endorses child labor.
Yes.
Greg, you you will get more clips from media matters than me in this conversation.
So they're clipping.
So so Greg, but you live in New York City.
That is correct.
And you are witnessing the rise of an attempt by the Democrats to figure themselves out.
Yes.
I'm obviously talking about Andrew Cuomo.
Yeah.
No.
But so Mom Dani.
Yeah, so God, you guys just misunderstand the guy.
You know, that's what that's what the Dems are trying to do now.
Uh with whenever a new socialist comes up, they act like it's a it's like, oh no, this is a better version.
There's no such thing as a better version.
It's like chat GPT 4.0.
Yes, it's a good thing.
It's gonna keep getting better.
Yeah, it's uh it's a it's learning.
That's not that's 4.0.
It's still I gotta use that for my show.
They'll just have to bleep it.
So you're on cable.
Yes, yeah, so they'll probably bleep it.
But they they always um they always like the the issue with socialism is they always believe that it's you know it just hasn't been perfected.
Well, that was the whole point of capitalism.
Capitalism doesn't have to be perfect to work.
The only way socialism can work is if it's perfect, and that's not possible.
It's not possible.
The thing that kills me is they keep talking about, you know, he's really hit the cord on affordability.
You cannot find one example in history where socialism has made anything affordable, it's only made things awful and good things more scarce and therefore more expensive.
So Well, uh on his grocery store plan to his credit.
I love that.
I will say, New Yorkers will lose 15 pounds in like six months on his grocery store plan.
I mean there'll be no food.
The only thing that can make the department for the motor vehicles worse is if they sold food.
It it I mean you're get your number, wait for two hours for bananas.
I mean, I'm sure there are people here from like Pennsylvania or wherever we would you have ABC liquor stores.
I never knew that growing up in the West Coast.
Then I moved to Allentown, and I never seen a a government-run liquor store, and they are depressing.
I didn't know that.
I didn't know you would quit drinking.
But do you do you know what I I do encounter in New Jersey is basically pseudo-run gas stations, you have to have an attendant pump your gas.
Oh, yes.
Like, what is that?
When that's like the oldest regulation, you gotta wait for the guy, and he's using the restroom.
Like, I I have to go.
He's like it's that loss still is.
This is why I drive straight through Jersey.
Quickly.
Quickly.
Oh, I was gonna say another thing about oh, the one thing people have to understand uh Zoran.
The one thing that people are are overlooking is that he says police officers should not respond to crime, that they should send people who are trained in it.
So when you have a a subway maniac who throws a woman in front of uh of a train or one setting them on fire, you shouldn't send the police.
You should send a social worker.
I think that journalists should go find these social workers he's talking about.
None exist.
There's no social worker, no matter how liberal they are, will ever want to go down to the subway and address a maniac.
And again, it's another case of a left winger throwing women, literally at this case, under the bus.
Under the subway.
So Greg, in the couple minutes we have, I uh there's two things.
I do want to hit one of those.
I want to hit two things quick.
I want you to give kind of a send-off for the college students at the end.
But first, you're a new dad.
Yes.
Yeah.
And I was joking backstage.
He did have his first kid finally before Social Security hit.
Yes, that was my goal.
So I had my I I have a baby girl, seven months old.
Um at the at the age of 60, which is um I still don't know.
But I think that you know, I think I realized that I would have been a lousy dad 10 years ago, 20 years ago, and then I I don't know what it was.
I just realized I think I can be a good dad now.
I don't know what it was.
That's my only explanation for why I just never thought I would be.
Well, I party pretty hard.
So I think I had to like, you know what?
Now I'm a normal person.
I'm gonna do, you know, I can do it now.
But I was a very selfish, I'd say in my 30s, I think that's you know what there's your advice.
The most important thing you can do is don't be selfish.
I think I I led a fairly fairly selfish life in my 20s and my 30s.
And the most important thing, the probably the most selfish thing you can do is to be of service to other people, because the the high you get from that is amazing, and it's gonna make you a better person.
I I led my I I think I most of my life was uh was a purely transactional.
What can I get out of things?
And I think that's why I, you know, I think I felt like I've grown a lot in the last boy.
I'm getting serious.
Shut up, Greg.
So let's go deeper, Greg.
All right, Dr. Phil.
How has it changed?
I have a doll here.
I'd like to show you.
Exactly.
But all kidding aside, I mean, has it given you more purpose to your life?
Well, yeah, and I mean I mean it you end up being a cliche.
That's the thing.
It's like the cliche is the person who says, My God, uh, when I had a child, it changed my laugh.
Well, it's a cliche because it's true.
It's a what's called a transformational experience, which is like you you don't know what it's like until you do it.
And it's a sh and it's a shame because there's a lot of people who you know terminate children without ever knowing that if they had the child, they would have thank God they they didn't listen to themselves.
But that's you know Well, and I'll say, Greg, I want to just say, we watch you.
Thank you for standing for the unborn.
The fight for pro life is more important than ever.
So thank you truly.
You got it.
No, no, that's real, that's really big.
Final thoughts, Greg.
Um, final thoughts.
I think like the most important thing, and you're kind of already doing it, is to have fun.
You're the fun generation.
This isn't like I didn't grow up with this.
You know, we as a right winger, I had a hide, and all the left wingers were the cool kids.
