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Love is blind.
We wanted to reveal.
No, I want yeah, no, this is an important one.
Yes.
So I I've now first of all I have to really plead ignorance.
Do people watch this?
Millions of people watch it.
This is incredibly popular.
Goggles on.
Oh I don't know about goggles.
So why would they not watch it with VR on?
Man, VR goggles are expensive, Charlie.
So love is not blind.
Not everyone took out, not everyone took out people.
By the way, imagine the mark.
I should they should hire me.
They should not, it should not be called Love is Blind.
It should be called Love is VR.
And they would sell like five million of these things.
Okay, so this was well just to remind people he says, hold on.
I watched every season except this one, and I repent of my sins.
I've never even heard of the show.
My wife has been watching this non-stop.
I remember it when I was.
Is this on Netflix?
I believe so, yeah.
It's on Netflix.
It's on Netflix.
What what how does this show work?
It I I can explain it.
Please.
Real simple.
You've watched it.
You have.
And I've I've had to watch it because I'm like sitting there trying to sleep.
I had no choice.
I'm trying to follow storylines.
Try to follow the storylines.
I have to admit it.
Trash TV is like, you know, it just goes on.
We'll get there.
We're gonna but you have two people that they are you have a two groups of uh men and a woman, and they're in separate parts of the house, and they have to go into rooms and communicate each other with each other through walls, so they can't see each other.
And so they have to pick uh a match based off of their conversations.
And so they normally talk to a handful of people before they pick the person.
So it's like a death match.
Look at this.
This looks so dystopian.
It's basically like look, it's in an octagon and everything.
It's like a sick uh twist on what what was that old show called where it was like match game or whatever or the one that Jeffrey Dahmer went on or whatever.
Are we back to the cannibal?
No, but he went on this thing.
The show is about cannibals you watch.
No, there were this is like a thing.
Some maybe it wasn't Jeffrey Dahmer.
Maybe it's a lot of people.
He's known about the furries.
I know that's not about Don.
They're going out of the battles.
But this happens to be a crossover.
It's like one of those sick games where you don't see the person and you have to ask questions, but they do it for like days.
Yes.
And then they decide to get married right away.
So you're in the pod for a long time and you just talk to people.
So it's like a telephone call.
More or less.
Yeah.
I think that do they type or no, it's voice.
Oh, being love is blind is the idea.
Yeah.
So the idea is they interact only by voice, and then they can send each other.
They can send each other notes and step and gifts.
But you like they can't send each other Instagram handles or anything.
No, I don't think they I don't think they have phones.
I could be wrong.
I'm gonna get like blasted by girls.
Okay, so there is a little bit of I've got to give them credit.
There's some creativity here.
It's not just okay.
It's still a complete waste of time, but we're getting closer to some redemptive value.
It's interesting for the viewer, because you can always tell when somebody's not gonna be a good match, but they think they're a good match.
So like and then you waste 45 minutes watching.
And then they're like, oh, yeah, and then you're like, you're like, oh, I can't wait for them to meet because they're gonna hate each other when they meet.
Okay, can I cut of course love's not blind?
Who came up with this stupid idea?
Yeah, it's extremely dumb.
Okay, but it's like it's it anyway.
Okay, so I feel it's important to remind people.
Say St. Paul said you should only get married if you have like the overwhelming hops for somebody.
This last season, There was a Solomon.
It's better to marry than to burn.
There was a guy who like look, you know, you just knew he wasn't gonna like the girl, and then he saw the girl.
He's like, he's he's just trying to get out of it then because he like committed to marrying her.
And so after he saw her, he's like, you could just tell.
He's like trying to find a way, but he spent like five episodes trying to get out of it.
Yeah.
Okay, so so expose so they they they talk and then they commit to marriage, yeah, marriage without seeing the other one.
Yes, yeah.
Oh yeah.
So what happens if she's like a horse?
That's what I'm saying.
The guy showed up, and he's like, I don't know if I really uh like below my standards, and then he's trying to get out of it from that point.
Okay, because then they have to go live together.
This is incredible.
So Daisy just sent this to me.
I just want to read it quick.
They aren't supposed to talk about appearance, but one season a guy asked a girl, if hypothetically we met at a music festival, would I be able to put you on my shoulders easily?
That was smart.
That was smart enough.
Very, but you can't ask height or weight.
You're not supposed to ask about or like race either, I think.
No, you have to you have to guess by their intonation.
Got it.
So they're nasal.
So let me understand.
So then the the moment that we saw that went viral with liberal Becky.
Yeah, was they never saw each other before that moment.
Do they do they only meet at the altar?
Or do they they meet in like the days of the city?
Is there a pre-meeting time there's like a room?
Daisy says no, wrong.
There's a room because she says I'm typing.
Oh, so they meet one time before there's a room where they meet, and I think they can propose at that exact moment.
They can meet if they get engaged.
Yeah, they don't have to get engaged.
I think they just have to keep so the engagement allows them to meet the person they're going to marry.
Do some people call off the engagement after they meet them.
Oh, yeah.
Probably a majority.
And then they go on a trip together for a week or so.
Yeah, and they have to like live together, which is yeah, also of course.
Yeah.
So then they basically live together for a few weeks.
Okay, so then what we saw, and then um they they they date in person for six weeks until they get married.
I just read that, Andrew.
Daisy's Daisy is the uh pop culture person.
So then at the altar they decide what they just they're gonna get married if they gotta go.
Let me understand this.
So in this clip, before we get into clip, these two people invited their entire families on camera to like have this public humiliation ritual based on something that might not happen.
I think they all have they're sick.
I think they all have to meet the families.
No, but like they invite him to the wedding.
It may or may not happen.
Yeah, and all these people are like, yeah, we might be on camera and in front of like a hundred million people.
Well, a lot of these families meet them beforehand, so like during the time that they're hanging out before they get married, like some of the families get like overly involved.
So, like really know a lot about them.
A sibling will like, hey, I know this one specific couple because it was hilarious watching this guy see this girl, and you could tell like he was really into her, really into her, and they met, and then he's like, Oh, that's not my own.
I'm gonna make people still watch TV.
The big the big picture here, which has to be brought up is our people who watch reality TV humans.
It's trash TV.
This is 100%.
We gotta get to the because we're we're crescendoing to the clip.
Okay.
We're we're building.
It's like it's like this is we're it's an orchestra, okay?
Bum bum bum bum bum.
Like it's you were we're building, okay.
Okay, okay.
Like we're flying down the trench towards I guarantee you most of our audience have never heard of this stupid thing before.
Okay, I guarantee you they have.
Hey, a lot of our audience has taken Hillsdale online courses, okay?
We have an enlightened little remnant of American society.
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All right, tell us chat.
Have you watched Love is Blind or at least heard if you've ever heard of the show, email me, Freedom at Charliekirk.com.
Can I just like oh my gosh?
And if so, you should be taxed.
You're gonna have somebody guys who are like, never no, I have it.
No, but I want to make a a pitch though to defend the people who have, including myself.
That have gone on the show or no, there's just not very much good TV left.
Like Netflix is a barren away.
So this is great.
Uh so we turn to this because it's awesome.
No, there's cheap.
They just all they do is cheap stuff on Netflix then.
I use Netflix.
I used it for one thing, and then it got unuseful for Seinfeld Seinfeld reruns.
Yeah, and then they got I think they still have it.
I I bought them all during COVID.
I was like, I gotta watch them.
Hulu has Frasier now.
Oh yeah.
So I got Hulu for Fraser and Seinfeld for Netflix, and everything else is on Netflix.
Can we just pause how awful Netflix has become the last five years?
It's not you guys should cancel the subscription if you're watching this crap.
It's such a waste of you, canceled.
There's no I I think fine, and I like Seinfeld for me.
By the way, I don't I don't want people to complain left their financial situation, which I'm not.
I'm very blessed if you were paying for Netflix.
I don't pay for a single subscription service.
For the record, I also used it to watch the Thanksgiving football game, of which they did a terrible job promoting.
There is no way you don't have a single subscription.
I mean, well, I mean, I have like my power bill, but like I don't have a streaming service.
It's not a subscription.
I don't have I don't have a sp I don't have Spotify.
You do not have a single subscription.
Like what?
Like power bill is not a subscription.
I'm gonna make you download whatever that app is.
Like we no free ads here for that.
Uh no, like what I don't have I don't have Amazon Netflix now.
I don't have Amazon Prime.
There's an app that looks up all your subscriptions.
You hook up to your biggest.
I don't have all of these.
Uh I'm like I am.
I don't have any TV.
I have a million stuff.
I don't have like I got I don't have Microsoft, I got Foo Boo.
I don't have Microsoft gaming.
I don't have any other video game work.
I got YouTube TV.
I've made a bunch of people a lot of money.
I don't have like I'm not in like Dollar Shave Club or whatever that stuff is where they like send you a razor every month.
Um, I've got like Amazon Kindle.
I'm not on I don't have Kindle, I don't have Audible.
Brooks is on Xbox.
I've got Sirius XM.
I'm with Andrew.
I hate not wanting to watch a sporting event and not having it.
I and then that that's why I peacock.
I get these emails from Peacock.
I don't care about Peacock, but the Peacock takes the big 10, which is now Oregon.
It's a whole thing's all prime V. I will I will say Prime Video is good.
I agree.
Prime is great.
You know why I like Prime?
I could purchase movies I want to watch.
Yeah.
And you keep it forever.
The best of all is YouTube TV.
YouTube T D is the best.
Yeah, yeah.
Subjectively the best.
For live TV, it has great coverage.
Okay, so back to the love is blind.
I can't believe you don't have a subscription.
I don't think it's you don't have a magazine subscription.
That's like cannibals.
Are you a cannibal?
I and like I'm not subscribed to like any like online websites, which is why I always have to figure out how to get around people's paywalls.
Why do you even have an email?
Not gaming.
What?
What if you have an email that just watched it?
That's a subscription.
That's not a that no, it's not it's free.
That's free.
Do you have TSA Pre?
Nope.
Why would I need TSA pre-check?
That one will I almost got him.
That one is a subscription.
Almost no, I'm just I don't.
What about Uber Plus?
No.
Uber eats.
I take Uber like only for turning point times where I have to fly and get to the airport.
Like that's it.
Uber eats.
I d I don't think I've had, I don't think I've gotten a meal delivered by Uber Eats or Doordash since I came to Arizona.
Like after two years.
Like has turning point eats.
It's a lot better.
Yeah, it's way better.
This way better.
Crazy.
I can't believe this.
This is this is how this is how one amasses capital as a millennial.
They avoid the eight million different millennial like consumption taxes.
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So speaking of the show, I'm trying to say.
So then let's play this piece of tape.
So let me understand.
So the all culminates with liberal woman and beta male dude kinda on the altar in this incredibly viral clip.
Let's play the longer clip and keep all of us live, guys.
Let's play it.
I love you so much.
But I've always wanted a partner to be on the same wavelength.
And so today I can't.
I love you so much.
I don't know if we want to stay with you and keep growing our relationship.
If you allow me.
We'll see.
All of America.
No, no, no.
We gotta keep playing it.
No, no, that's not even the case.
There's a couple more clips, yeah.
By the way, I would have told her to get out of here and cash my check from Love is Blind and go away.
All of America lost total respect for this dude.
He just looked like such a apparently they continue to date for weeks after this.
Even like she was like, I can't get married now.
But like they kept dating, which Daisy informs us of because she's a watcher of Love is Blind.
Okay, do we have the kicker where she's sitting around her liberal relatives in the car?
Yeah.
So they asked him to like what his church's views are, and he said he didn't know.
And so then I watched a sermon online from his church about yeah, sexual identity.
And it was traditional.
I told that to my god then.
And doesn't really have much to say about it, you know.
And I want them to think about that stuff.
Sometimes I did wonder if it was surface fun, carefree love that we had, equality, religion, um the vaccine.
The vaccine.
The vaccine.
Of course, the vaccine.
So I've commented on this extensively.
The guy is at fault here for A not standing up for himself, B not leaving her.
Jack, I know you're an avid love is blind fan.
What is your your take on that episode?
Yeah, no, I mean, look.
This this is kind of goes back to, you know, funny enough, like it goes back to what I was saying in the other segment where we've just got too many people in this country that have this fried mental model that are like over-socialized.
Uh people are way too invested in politics into their personal lives.
Uh, they they bring these things out and they bring these things up as if it's some kind of like deep-seated um commitment to them.
And and and look, you know, I I certainly want you know, people to understand what's going on in their country, but the idea that you're gonna run your entire life over what someone's views on like ELM are or some you know, some kind of like and if you're you're just like some normie, like that's that's not actually a good situation for the country, right?
Like, we don't want to be so overpoliticized.
We want people to be getting married and having kids and sort of going on about their life and they're having their quality of life be, you know, somewhat stable and living in a a system that's somewhat stable.
So the fact that the fact that politics in general is so mainstreamed is it just kind of shows how bad things have gotten up into this point, you know, up through tw the 2024 moment, the 2020 moment, obviously.
Because in in a stable society, you know, dude, people are just kind of going about their lives, and you're not going to be mixing politics with like a dating show.
Go back to uh what was the old um oh my gosh, the dating show on MTV uh back in the day, like the original dating show of the one that Sean Duffy was on?
Singled out, thank you, singled out, so five got me in the chat.
Um, and like you would never ever hear anyone talk about politics on a dating show in the 90s.
It literally didn't exist.
It's like what music do you listen to?
What movies do you like?
That's awesome, you know, and just just not a thing.
Yeah, and uh yeah, everyone's chatting that uh uh Sean Duffy and his wife actually met on The Real World, which was the original uh reality TV show, uh Rachel Compostuffy and their incredible family and obviously incredible relationship.
Um, that actually started on another reality show also on MTV called The Real World.
And the real world did start to edge into the political and religious stuff, but not so.
That was like the whole point, I think.
Because like the idea was they try to put like a bunch of people who are different, because like Sean Duffy's season, I don't know, I just cause I looked him up once was like he had they had a person in their house like who because Sean Duffy was like conservative at the time, yeah.
And then like they had a person who was like had AIDS, so he was like, you know, because this is the early 90s, and so that was much more taboo then.
But Jack's right, like the old dating shows were so much more like fluffy and just fun and stupid, right?
And like just like you never would get that deep.
That wasn't the point.
It was like that was it.
The real world was the first real like real reality show.
Which really goes at the truth of this, which is the cosmic thing that's important, which is one reality TV is actually fake, and two, people who watch reality TV should not be allowed to vote.
Sorry, Tyler.
Um we're we're revoking it.
Like I I am on not that I I don't watch reality TV, yet I will continue my jihad against reality TV.
There's no reality TV that that like is okay to you.
A decade ago I watched a few episodes of Bar Rescue because I kind of enjoyed the part where he would explain like how to run a bar correctly, like the business side of it was cool.
But then I realized it was all fake because I saw a preview for an episode, and they were like, this bar is out of control.
And the owner was like a clearly staged shot.
I like it.
Where like he just sla like she's like, Why are you carrying it that way?
And he slaps like a tray out of someone's hand.
I think the survival shows are fun, but I mean I'm trying to think of the last reality TV show I've watched.
Is American Idol reality TV?
I feel like that's a considerate.
So I would say no.
I would say no.
I don't even think The Apprentice is a reality TV.
I disagree.
Because it's it's like a con it's a contest.
American Idol for four or five seasons was like game shows right now reality.
Yeah.
American Idol was a good show the first five seasons.
Well, I think it was a great show.
I think American Idol is cool because we also had some from our high school win.
So that was Yeah, you actually had to like achieve something.
Yeah, we had someone from our high school literally win.
It's amazing.
Yeah, what's her face?
I was here in Arizona.
Haley Reinhardt uh was her name.
Oh, yeah.
Denny Wright says that I am a TV snob, and they are correct.
Although Sno Snob is almost uh overselling.
I just don't watch TV.
I think the I like I like, even though it's a little bit fake too, is uh like naked and afraid and those ones like the survival.
There's survival.
It's it's cool to watch.
What is it?
I mean, are they gonna die?
There's a cameraman next to them, they're not gonna let them die.
Like, whoa, wow.
But they do lose a lot of weight.
Like that should be like today's fat camp.
That would be cool.
Like, yeah, no.
Angelo likes the gold mining reality shows.
What are these shows?
I never want to.
Oh, yeah, there's like ice pickers.
Those are really bad.
I'm sorry, Angela.
We're gonna shame you.
Like, those are the ones on the history channel where they would ice road truckers.
Ice road truckers.
Well, what's so dumb with Ice Road Truckers is the entire conceit of Ice Road Truckers is like, this is a super dangerous job.
And like the only reason to watch is in theory the ice could break and they would like die, but that never happens.
So what's the point of all?
Andrew says this, Blake, you play more video games than I watch TV, which is worse.
Uh one, I don't think that's actually true.
And two, like, who cares?
Actually, probably watching TV is worse.
Like I actually think watching TV could be worse.
Yeah, like you're just literally just there in the larger passive observer.
I think they're both irredeemable.
But I what I will say is the uh I think the CDC or whoever, when they were doing one of their obesity warnings, they were commenting on how much TV is America TV Americans watched, and they were like suggesting you should be more active.
And one of their ways to suggest being more active for the like the truly hopeless watch 40 hours of TV a week was try playing video games instead because you at least like move your hands.
I I have a different take.
I think video games are worse because I think veg out TV, like when you're going to sleep or whatever, I think a lot of people do, that doesn't take away as much.
Other than your sleep, which is health concerned.
Yeah, video games can have a ramp up.
Video games, you have to like go remove yourself from reality, sit in a box and be there.
And then the other thing with video games is this is like it's so lonely.
Do you play computer games or do you play like console video games?
I play some console games, not super often.
What?
Like what?
Is Xbox still around?
It's still around.
I don't own one.
No, no, I own a PlayStation still around.
What do you play?
So when kids say they play video games, what what do they play?
Oh, that would vary a ton.
I mean, what's the most popular today?
Fortnite, probably, or what console is that in?
Those are on everything.
Nowadays, like the big thing today is every game is on every system.
I play with bro.
Oh, because I grew up in a world where Halo was only on Xbox.
Yeah, yeah.
That's not only Nintendo games are like that.
And then I turned 18.
I was like, this is a waste of time and go build something.
Yeah, well, Halo is still only on Xbox.
But really, so if that's not a PlayStation, no, that's isn't that on PC now?
No.
Well, maybe on PC.
It's on PC.
So not everything's on everything.
But can we play the Halo music?
It's really good.
Keep going.
Well, and the guys explained.
Oh, I never played well.
I haven't played it in a lot of 13 years.
We played Halo like it was our day job in high school.
That's like how we played.
So is Call of Duty still around?
Call of Duty.
So I'll play Call of Duty with Brooks.
So I play Call of Duty and uh I'm I'm bad, but there's some fun games on there.
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Yeah, there's some there's so many now, and like uh a lot of them like I will deliberately avoid because they can be such an addictive time sync.
Like they'll play they play those like paradox strategy games where you're just like conquering the world and people will play like five thousand hours of that.
I'll play with Brooks, uh like Madden or a hockey game because it it's a it's like 15 minutes, you sit down, you play a game, and you're out.
That's not Halo.
This is not Halo.
What is this?
Yeah, the Halo.
Yeah, seriously.
I know that's the right.
By the way, the guy that wrote the Halo songs like a winger.
We talked about that once here on this program.
He didn't vegan.
No, in like fourth place.
The original Halo song.
Exactly right.
Okay, so what we're in chant.
Martin O'Donnell, Mar Marty O'Donnell, he came in like 30 years.
Trump's Republican, by the way.
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See, no, that this is this is good music.
This then you know what you know why this is good music?
It feels like you're on a home screen.
Oh my gosh.
It feels as if you're going through settings and you know it it has that kind of aura.
We we used to play all night long in my in my parents' basement.
We would we would completely sink up sync up Xboxes and we would play, you know, whatever that what was that map?
Blood Gulch and trying to think of the other one.
There was like Misty Mountain or something.
Oh man.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I remember that one.
We played there was one called Damnation that we played.
I gotta look at that.
That was incredible.
We played Capture the Flag.
I do still play.
I'm gonna tell you right now, which is still awesome.
I'm gonna tell you right now, because they released Battle Creek.
Battle Creek, yeah, Battle Creek.
There was the big one too.
Oh, hang them high was good.
Hang them high was good.
But there was this one game, this map you can play on the new Halo because they have it, and they just revamped and read it all the up uh the originals.
Damn Nation, one flag, capture the flag.
Okay, so what is Roblox?
Roblox should be I think it's like a platform, so like people can make games in it.
Uh is that on Xbox?
I think that's again, it's on like everything.
That's uh a lot of kids get really into Roblox.
So what what is the purpose of Fortnite?
What what is what is the what is the thesis?
Fortnite, the gimmick of it was it popularized, they call them battle royales.
And so the idea was a hundred people would be in a game at once.
So that's like the legal thing.
No, that's World of Warcraft.
So this is like a hundred people would be in a game at once, which is way more.
Like, you know, Halo, you could be like four v4 at best, but this was you can have a hundred people, and it's called a battle royale, so they go to only one is left.
Um it has other game modes they've added over time too.
I know what makes it popular is like you can be like any character in it at this point.
So like you can be Spider-Man, you can be Mario, you can be like there's a million different characters that you can be.
Well, and now Call of Duty's doing that.
Yeah, exactly.
So Call of Duty now, I you can be a ninja turtle.
Yeah.
Great.
I just okay.
So Call of Duty.
That's crazy.
So basically, my takeaway is that nothing has really changed.
The same games are still basically the same popular games.
Yeah, but they're really nice now.
Dude, well, Charlie, I I completely agree with you.
Oh, okay.
I've made the same job.
No, I again I I'm not please check.
Uh re affirm me, because I am a I'm a stranger in the wilderness.
So My kids, um, you know, my kids are kind of at the age where they're starting to like to get, you know, like video game curious.
Uh we don't have games in the house, but they'll like you know, we we have like uh like a small one of those smart TVs, and so they could see they could see kind of like you know, videos of people playing games, or they'll they'll go through the store and look at games and you look at stuff and you're like, okay, Minecraft is just uh a ripoff of Legos in 3D, Roblox is just a rip-off of Minecraft.
Uh there's another one, uh actually Cernovich was telling me about it the other day that his kids are into, and I looked into it and I'm like, this is just a rip-off of all the same games again.
And then when you go and look at like the actual popular non-sort of like building things games, it's literally all the same characters that were popular in like the late 80s, early 90s.
It's like here's another Mario, here's another Sonic, here's another Ninja Turtles, and on and on and on.
And it's like the one uh I'll I'll throw it out.
Like the one that the only one that I've heard that's like kind of new is Five Nights at Freddy's, which I'm not even gonna get into right now, but like the vast majority of games that you go out and see right now, like just you know, walking through the aisle looking, I'm like, wait a minute, these are all the exact same games and characters that were around like 30 years ago.
What about the old but the only like we they brought up?
The battle royale thing did change everything, but it other than that, there was like no changes.
So but let me list it up.
Okay, so the most popular games of 2025, Call of Duty.
I had that, and then I grew up.
Madden had that Final Fantasy 8 rebirth, which existed.
Uh EA Sports FC 25, which I'm guessing is soccer.
Yeah, and then Minecraft.
Literally nothing has and then Grand Theft Auto is the w the so Grant GTA was huge when I was growing up.
So that's still no Grand Theft Auto 5 is the most successful entertainment property of any kind of all time.
Well, it says Tetris is more popular.
No, they're they're wrong.
Uh GTA 5 has sold like I think over 100 million copies.
This is 200 million here, but yeah, 200 million, yeah.
There's a new Grand Theft Auto coming out too that everybody's looking forward to.
One thing that's wild with this is it take one reason it's all the same old stuff is it takes them like you know how we can't do anything in America anymore because it costs 15 times as much as it used to?
Same thing with video games.
So you used to make a Mario game with a team of 20 people and it took a lot of things.
Which one was Grand Theft Auto 5?
Was that LA?
Yeah, yeah.
Or they they don't call it LA, but it was like San Andreas, a lot of Los Santos.
Los Santos in the state of San Andreas.
So they have not done a new Grand Theft Auto in 12 years.
It's been a long time.
And like it used to be.
So let me ask you have the graphics gotten better in 12 years?
Uh they don't they look the same.
A bit, but it slowed down a lot.
Like it used to be you'd really could tell, you know, it goes 2D, yeah.
Look, the the shadow dimensions and stuff looks largely the same.
I mean, even most games that come out today, like on Place they're on PlayStation 5 now.
Most games that come out on PlayStation 5 will also still have a PlayStation 4 version.
Well it's just slightly not as good.
I don't know.
Call of Duty looks a lot better than it was a few years ago.
I wouldn't know.
But I'll I'll tell you this.
Red Dead Redemption, is that the is that Red Dead Redemption 2?
That came out like a decade ago.
That came out a while ago, but that is a fun game.
That's like Grand Theft Auto, but it's in the wild west.
You're on a horse.
Yeah, on a horse.
That's actually fun.
Like Brooks was playing that for a little bit.
You can just mess around and just like hijack horses and stuff like that.
So the video game I went all in on was Star Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic.
Uh anyone else know that?
Yes.
I remember that.
Yeah, that was a guitar?
Yes.
At the time, wasn't that the most expensive?
Were you light side or dark side?
Wait, Charlie, you were a Kotar guy?
Wait, one or two.
Uh I think one.
Uh yeah.
Okay, no, I tried two and I hated it.
It was definitely one.
It was definitely one.
Two was like rushed.
One did really well, and then two was like super rushed.
So it was like kind of unfinished, and they used a different um like developer.
So hold on.
It was it was it was called a massively multiplayer online role-playing series.
Well, what what was it?
It was the Koto or was just a R. I know I never played the online.
What is an RPG role playing?
RBG is role-playing games, which means you could have different directions.
Yeah, and like you level up your character, that you adjust their status.
No, but there's different paths that yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then MMORPG, massively multiplayer online role playing games when there's hundreds of people, thousands of people on the street.
But yes, I uh I took the dark side.
I think I think Knights of the Old Republic.
I think that was like the most expensive game ever made when they made it.
It was like a supposed to be like you might be thinking of the old republic with just the old republic, which was that was an MMORPG that they made.
The old Republic was the was the online one.
The Tortanic, they called it.
Hold on, wait, wait, wait what would maybe I'm confused.
Which one is which?
So Knights of the Old Republic was your one player, it has a story and everything.
Yeah, that was and then there was one called just the old republic.
No, I didn't do that.
came out a decade later and was like massively hyped and we won't go into that.
So Night's Evil Republic came out in 2003 and I'm looking at images of it.
It looks as good as video games today.
That is not true.
I think I'm sorry, I'm just looking at the image.
I think they're on VR.
I think they've made this this that game on VR like a maybe a cheaper version of it.
That was an objectively good video game.
It was good, but it it does not look like what they're putting out today.
I will I will contest that one.
Like the last big leap, I would say, like, is probably about 10 years ago.
And then since then, yeah, they improved, but it's on the margins, and they're like, Oh, you need to have a 4K TV to see this.
Yeah.
I I've always wanted so one of the the games, so the games within the games, like on Call of Duty.
If you've never played this, this is the only time I've sat and played something by myself, and it was with my son with Brooks.
Is the zombies thing?
That is like actually creepy.
Like it gets to different points where if like you're in a dark room and all that stuff, it like creeps you out while you're doing it.
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I watched Lord of the Rings this weekend, and Tyler ruined it for me.
I have to just be honest.
You agree with them now?
Frodo and you gave in to this.
No, I don't.
You see it.
You see it.
I don't agree.
I'm saying that he ruined it to be.
It's just I I always used to look at it as you know, brotherly love, and then Frodo and Sam.
There's some very long gazes.
It's it's it's broaderly love.
You guys I don't want to say Tyler's on the something, but like to the propaganda.
No, no, no.
The propaganda wants you to find out time.
Tyler Tyler gets in your head about this, and then all of a sudden you can't unsee it.
I'm not even saying it's right.
I'm saying you kind of infer it.
And geez, Frodo doesn't look at women that way.
This is Peter Jackson's uh the woman in the woods that way, doesn't look at Live Tyler that way.
That's right.
I think I think you can infer that Frodo knew.
And then you really start wondering like Mary, Pippin, Sam and Frodo are all sharing a room, and you really start thinking about things you shouldn't be thinking about.
This is like a three-week log like conversation we've had.
And it's gonna keep going until I win this conversation.
And you gotta wonder like what are they actually doing in Rivendell?
What are they really doing in Rivendell?
Because you look at it through kind of a modern woke lens, and I got it's I'm not saying Tyler's right, but it it half ruined the movie for me.
Do we not ribbendale?
Is there singing?
Why is Gandalf going down there like a weirdos?
It's like playing music and they're singing their elfish songs in their elfish language, and there's nothing gay about it.
No, what's Gandalf really going down there for?
It's like his little Thailand.
Like, this is like is Gandalf the Epstein wizard of Middle Earth.
Yes, he is, yeah.
That's his Thailand.
I'm not saying throw this up.
Ryan wants us to throw this up.
204.
There it is.
Yeah, it is.
I'm telling you, once you see it through the Tyler lens, he's not that he's right, it's just you can't unsee it and it kind of ruins the film.
You guys, you guys are on the water.
I want to make this point that we didn't make the the a few weeks ago.
Was it's not just that.
I think Peter Jackson had this weird homo erotic uh uh approach to this because the elves are all super gay, they're all they're all super gay.
Like uh Orlando Bloom is like he looks like Pete Davidson.
He's like, he's just like he's got Pete Davidson vibes to him, which is like that's yes, yes.
And we and we talked about all the orcs.
There's no women orcs.
There's no female, like what this is like there's a lot of gay.
What do they do that's gay?
What did the orcs do that's gay?
There's no girls.
There's no women.
Yeah, that's so is the military gay, like when we make is Pete Heggs goal to like make combat really gay.
Is that the is that the goal, Tyler?
The story itself.
The story itself is not necessarily homoerotic, but there's like gazes that are like half a second, two seconds too long, and then like the whole like I'm so glad I have you with me.
It's like completely unnecessary extra lines of dialogue.
I'm sorry, I like I re-watched it, and it's such a good movie, and it's so amazing.
But if you kind of go back to watch a movie 20 years ago through modern ultra like, let's just say gay lens of film, you see some things there, and you got boy, if that was made in 2025, it would be broke back mountain of Mountain Dew.
It would be awful.
This reminds me, this reminds me of what happened with Abraham Lincoln, right?
So he had this really close friendship with a guy named Joshua Fry Speed.
And this is before they were pre uh he was president, like well before.
I I sent the the the old timey image of Joshua Fry Speed.
But there was in 1926, a biography of Lincoln by Carl Sandberg alluded to the early relationship Lincoln and his friend Joshua Fry Speed had as having a streak of lavender and spots soft as May Violets.
Uh and that's kind of reminds me of like a really good description of uh Frodo and that's Ian McClellan.
That's Gandalf.
Yeah, Gandalf is gay.
I forgot he and yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but like I also call it like this is you know, we're changing history here.
I mean, I can guarantee you that that maybe the movies a little bit like homoerotic, but like the books and the the original Grand Marshal, he's the grand marshal of the gay parade.
Yeah, but that's that's modern you know, that's not that that's not the way the books were written.
That's not the original intent.
Oh, geez.
I know you guys are when you accept this framing, you are giving in to the to the gay industrial complex.
I never thought it at all my entire life.
And then Tyler mentions it and it half ruins it.
Like if you let them do it, if you let them get away with it, they're gonna make George Washington gay, they're gonna make Blake's gay, they're gonna make it.
That's the that's that's why I brought up Lincoln with his so he had a uh like he has four kids, he was in a long relationship with his wife, what is her name, Mary Todd or whatever.
And he had a history of having romantic relationships with other women before that.
I don't I'm not sure they were were physical, but the point is everybody thought he was heterosexual his whole life, and then we get to like 2020, and all of a sudden he's gay.
This so I I do want to like make space for the fact that that men can have intimate, non-sexual, very heterosexual relationships, and I think before the gay agenda took over modern pop culture, nobody would have thought differently about it.
Stop it, Ryan.
One of our producers keeps putting in very inappropriate pictures.
Uh anyways, what it's worth.
There is we have to make space for the fact that we're gonna be able to do it.
Well, I mean, this is a this is a real conversation though, because and this and this does tie back to Pete Davidson because you know, his like this you know, growing up fatherless thing, obviously no fault of his own.
His dad died in 9-11, whatever.
But like this entire feminization of males, I think the feminization of males in general has made it impossible for guys to have like those old school, you know, guy best friends because people look at you and question if you're gay.
So when you create a world in which that's so prevalent, I think it's harder to be it's hard, it's hard to have like a best bite.
And this actually, I've talked about this recently with friends.
It's like it's actually hard in general for men to get together and do anything, like kind of the old school days.
It was like men used to get together and do bowling leagues and poker nights and da-da-da-da.
And those things happen, but I don't think they're nearly as prevalent as they were, you know, many years ago.
And I think it's like this is all par and parcel to like again, Hollywood, everything, just like pushing the gay agenda, which you know may or may not have started with Lord of the Rings.
So you know, just CD.
I totally agree.
I I totally agree.
Here's here I don't know if this is gonna help my case or hurt it, depending on but I'll never forget when I went to Italy.
And okay, so it's apparently gonna hurt it based on Blake's reaction to Italy.
But I remember going in Italy, and there would be men holding hands, walking down the street, just holding hands, and they were I asked, I was like, are they gay?
And they're like, no, no, no, they're straight as an arrow.
Like, that's just men in Italy.
They'll just hold like if they feel close to another man, they'll just hold each other's hands.
I'm just saying, I'm just saying what I saw.
But I think when I think of it, saying is through a 2025 lens, you watch the movie 20 years later, and it's just you can't help but think because we look at all of that stuff as homoerotic and gay.
Thanks for ruining uh childhood uh favorite, Tyler.
Really appreciate it.
Oh no, no, he completely wrecked it.
Well, I mean, it it was uh somebody had had planted that in my mind, but this is what how it happened for me.
I I watched during COVID, I downloaded all the trilogies that existed, because there was like so every night I would just watch start watching one of the trilogies.
I watched literally every movie that had a chill trilogy, and I downloaded Lord of the Rings.
I started watching it, I was like, man, this is really gay.
I can't watch this.
And I like shut up.
I downloaded all three, I paid for all three movies, and I only watched like the like first half of the first one.
Now I'm now I've thanks to thanks to Andrew's like Italy's super straight thing.
I'm I'm looking up Liberacci to make sure he was in fact Italian, and yes, he was Italian, and he put a big candelabra on his piano, and he insisted he was straight his whole life, and then he well, he died of a condition not associated with that.
Well, I'm just telling you what I saw, and men in Italy walked down to each other's hand.
And if you if you watch the movie closely, near the beginning at Bilbo Baggin's 110th or 111th birthday, Sam was really nervous to go up and talk to the ladies or the woman, so he needed like an extra thing of beer and had to be thrown into it.
I'm just saying straight.
That's straight.
Like gays are great at talking to women because they have like women brain.
Wait, hold on.
Not always.
A lot of what why would a gay dude be nervous about talking to women?
What's he worried is gonna happen?
A lot of dudes are that's a sh that's so cliche, it's a shtick they use in the movie that men are nervous of talking to women.
Only only a certain subset of men are nervous out of the game.
Mary and Pippen.
Hey, I will tell you that if you go watch uh Top Gun, the original, like go watch that for homoerotic.
Oh, you're gonna make you're gonna make Top Gun gay for Charlie now too.
I mean, Top Gun is is objectively homoerotic.
Andrew.
You are putting this conversation in the danger zone.
You are on a highway to the danger zone right now.
Yeah.
This is not telling you, there is a reason why there's a lot of rumors flowing around about uh the the lead in that film, Tom Cruise.
I'm just saying that all this what else are you gonna ruin for me?
1980s Top Gun is the most homoerotic movie ever created.
It's a fact.
You're just gonna come in every every week, it's gonna be also gonna assert another movie is gay.
You're gonna be like I mean, Star Wars is gay.
The Godfather is it was really kind of like it wasn't really about five families, who was kind of like a gay conclave that was running inner Italian mafia.
Yeah, you're gonna be like the good, the bad, and the ugly, gay.
You're gonna be citizen cane.
Citizen gay.
No, it's not under every rock.
Gay stuff.
Rosebud was not actually his sled growing up.
Rosebud was a secret lover that he had during college.
Yeah.
Charlie, don't look up the slang terms.
Don't look up slang terms for that word.
Just that's all I'm gonna say.
Clarence.
Uh man.
You can't touch.
You cannot touch uh it's a wonderful life.
Okay, you cannot touch it for it.
Okay, hold on.
I mean, Top Gun is like this is not me breaking news.
Everybody knows Top Gun's homoerotic.
No, I just I Googled it that way.
He's right.
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I Googled the the gayest movies that are explicitly gay, and also on there is uh Wizard of Oz.
Oh, that that's like uh that's a different one where whether that movie is gay or not, gay people are obsessed with Wizard of Oz because gay men love Judy Garland, I guess.
The more the more you know.
Uh I also think that there's that connection, the same connection with uh Lord of the Rings as you have the small people.
If you look up like gay icons, I think Judy Garland is literally the first result.
It's uh kind of kind of strange.
Oh man, we're gonna this is getting way too deep into the lore.
We should probably we should probably hit the evac button to the next topic before every it'll turn out everything.
Everything is why people pay the big bucks.
Hold on.
Hold on.
I'm I'm this is top 10 macho blockbusters with hit hidden homoeroticism.
Number 10 is ravenous from 1999.
I've never heard of that.
Uh 300 is number nine.
Number eight, top gun, nineteen eighty-six.
What are you talking about?
Number seven, come on.
Yeah.
Well, because it's all these dudes running around.
Yeah, it's called like dudes who are murdering other dudes.
Yeah.
All right.
A nightmare on Elm Street, Freddy's Revenge from 1985.
Tango and Cash, 1989.
X-Men First Class, 2011.
Yeah, X-Men's kind of gay.
We're correcting the coma 1955.
YOMA 63.
I feel like I'm being corrupted.
I never saw gayness in Top Ben.
You're destroying our audience.
Ben Hur, 1959.
I could see that.
Fight Club 1998.
Uh, but you think about Fight Club?
Fight Cup's kind of gay, yeah.
Yeah.
Fight Club.
I have not actually seen the Fight Club movie.
I think I'm the only person born in my year to have not seen it.
That's a perfect example of a movie that was that was directed at men that men, like boys were supposed to like that had severe gay undertones for sure.
Yeah.
I read the book.
The book is like because they're like they're they need like camaraderie.
That's just like what a gang is.
Like a you know.
I just I don't know if I agree with this at all.
No, there's a there's a I I actually because I got into that after I was reading because we were talking about gay movies because that's this is how this came up, and I can't got to Lord of the Rings.
This was one of the ones the Reddit threads I read was all about how Fight Club has all these like it's tons of uh undertones like throughout.
And it was like planting and like boys' minds, all like in the 2000s or 90s or whenever it came out.
Well, we've probably ruined everybody's night here.
DJT 2020 suggests that just all acting in fiction is gay, which was kind of what the that is like the true classical take on it.
You know, the ancient Romans considered actors the equivalent of prostitutes, basically.
Maybe we need to bring that back.
Well, I mean, if we go far enough back to the Greeks, it was only male actors, right?
So uh that would probably attract a certain type of male, even back then.
Okay, uh, let's go really quick.
Who wants to take the what uh Jack?
You're awfully um passionate about this uh this in and out whataburger thing.
Go ahead.
So just I'll set it up with some context here, which is the conversation.
Someone put up a billboard to troll in and out because I guess uh which burger was it that did it?
They like beat in and out.
Yeah, it started in Santa Barbara, actually.
Funny enough.
Alrighty.
So Habit Burgers, that's the name of it.
Yep.
Habit Burger, they beat uh In N Out as like the number one tastiest fast food burger, and now they're trolling In N Out US by putting up a congrats on number two billboard.
But I just wanted to have that context.
So I don't know what that was.
So the Yeah, I I was I was in the uh time machine there for a second, boys.
But no, no, I'm back.
Now I'm back to America.
So look, this is kind of what you know.
Funny enough, JD Vance and uh and Tucker got into this the other when I saw them in Hershey regarding the quarter pounder and the Big Mac.
And JD was arguing that the quarter pounder is better meal because you get more meat.
And Tucker was like, Yeah, but there's no special sauce.
And JD responds, he goes, he goes, Tucker, you have been manipulated by the elites.
Special sauce is nothing.
It's all about which which burger has more meat.
And that's kind of where I come down on this.
That water burger just has more meat to it, that it's it's got more meat than in and out.
So I'm like, I don't know.
Like, I just I feel like I like that burger, man.
Charlie, are you allowed to do that?
Not really.
I'm on this weird like diet right now.
But typically, um, the In N Out is the best.
And Tyler, you have to admit Arizona became a better place when In N Out came here.
So In N Out is if you're a West Coaster, especially growing up, now it's kind of like it's it's everywhere now.
They I think they just opened up in and out.
Good for them, by the way, opening up in and out in Tennessee.
But when I was growing up, it was like we like longed to go to every time we go to California, you long to go wait in line at In N Out and just go to In N Out, and everybody did that.
That still kind of exists for people who are on the East Coast for the most part.
But like it was if you you asked an East Coaster about In N Out, nobody really knew what it was at all.
Like, no one ever like pre-social media, all that stuff.
So it was like really the pre-era of it was, and and Andrew can probably add to this too, being from Nevada.
If you're from like Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, you know, probably like Utah and like other parts, people would go, and that was like part of your experience.
So it was like culturally part of visiting California was In N Out Burger.
So I would I actually the way I view In N Out Burger is different than probably how younger people view In N Out Burger, which is that it has a taste that's associated with like memories, like especially like vacation memories and beach memories that you can't break.
But people who don't have have that appreciation for it, that like that pre-era, like it just has a different meaning to you.
So I love In N Out Burger because it has like all these memories, it's straight up California.
Like it's it's it's like invariably attached that when they came to Arizona, it was like the biggest deal ever.
When it when they first opened up the first restaurants in Arizona, it was like such a big deal, and it still is.
I mean, you go to In N Out, you go to any In N Out Burger any night, it's like Chick-fil-A, Chick-fil-A In N Out, it's the longest lines that you'll find in the entire state.
But the taste I still every time I taste it, the the spread.
It's like I think of being in California at the beach, I can almost like smell like like the sea air.
This this is an embarrassing story.
In uh in 2016, my dad, I I was out of the home by this point.
My dad flew our family, so a lot of my siblings were still at home, but he's also like Blink, buy I'll buy you a ticket, you have to come with us.
And he flew our entire family to Los Angeles.
This was the first time I had been to Los Angeles, so that we could go visit the Reagan Library and the Reagan Ranch, uh, which is definitely like the most I am a baby boomer conservative thing that my family has ever done.
But as part of that, we ended up going to In N Out, I think two or three separate times because our Airbnb was close to one.
And it's as you describe it, it was very long lines.
There were this was right when I think the cult of In N Out was really becoming you know a nationwide awareness thing.
And yeah, we went there a bunch.
I did like In N Out quite a bit.
I don't eat enough fast food burgers to have strong opinions on which one is the best.
To be honest, I usually get chicken sandwiches if if they offer them.
Uh my favorite burger that I actually eat regularly.
Uh, We have a place here in Phoenix.
I have no idea if they're elsewhere, but uh cold beers and cheeseburgers.
They have a peanut butter and jelly burger on their menu.
And every time I go, I order that.
And I always tell you, I've never been there.
Is it is the food good there?
This burger is good.
I always tell them don't wuss out on the peanut butter and jelly.
Like really like slather it up.
And they do when I tell them to.
And it's kind of disgusting.
You end up with peanut butter everywhere.
It's a little gross, but uh oh, it's satisfying and delicious.
And it's even more delicious knowing that Charlie will never be able to eat one.
That's right, Blake.
That's really sick and sadistic.
All right, everybody.
I have to go uh and do some stuff here.
Go support your local in and out.
Get it animal style, double double.
Uh get the secret sauce.
Extra pickles.
Animal styles incredible.
It's incredible.
Animal style is incredible.
Here's the order.
Get two four by fours, animal style, protein style, extra secret sauce, extra pickles, extra peppers.
