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Alex, I want to start with a story yesterday, which I love, and it was not getting enough coverage.
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President Donald Trump has been very clear that he wants to sh shrink the map and focus on hemispheric dominance.
He was trying to end wars abroad and really focus on our own hemisphere being abused.
Yesterday, this is this is the MAGA doctrine, otherwise known as the Monroe Doctrine 2.0.
President Donald Trump authorized a military strike yesterday of drug runners and drug traffickers of trend day Aragua that were bringing life-ending drugs to the United States.
You can kind of see here in a speedboat.
They're in international waters.
I don't know all the legal technicalities here.
Obviously, it passed the muster because they authorized it.
And uh they did a drone strike in the Caribbean.
Alex, what are your thoughts here?
I'm at least thrilled, finally, that we're using military force in our own hemisphere against people that would have done harm against the American homeland.
They actually are a much greater threat.
What you are seeing on screen are a much greater threat than Vladimir Putin.
Those drug traffickers would have killed a lot more people than Russian soldiers.
Alex Marlowe.
Yeah, you're absolutely right about this, Charlie.
And this is just perfect in terms of Trump national security doctrine, focusing on our hemisphere first, which I will tell you, our national security editor, Breitbart News, Frances Martell, uh, she's a Latin American woman, and I'll tell you this hits such close to home with people who've survived of ancestry who survived communism in our hemisphere and have seen Democrat after Democrat and establishment Republican after establishment Republican in this country focus on Europe, focus on the Middle East, and not remember our own hemisphere.
Now we're all aware of the threat of Far East in China, but China's in cro has an encrosion that's taking place into that exact hemisphere into Central and South America.
Uh and so I look at all of this as countering China, but let's be specific about fentanyl and drugs and these gangs that are taking advantage of our open border and have created these industries that bring devastating drugs, the type of stuff that not just ruined lives, but ruined families, ruined communities.
They come up into our country and we've allowed it, we've tolerated it.
And Trump comes in, one fell swoop, wipes out a bunch of them, sends an unbelievable signal that if you try to bring this poison into America, you're going to face deadly consequences.
It is just peak Trump, and I love it.
Yeah, and let's talk more about that though, because it it's for so long we've been worrying about the Taliban, the hills of Afghanistan, the plains of Iraq.
And I mean, what what is the philosophical recalibration here, Alex?
The the profundity here.
Like, no, actually, show me some threats here.
And the you notice there hasn't been a lot of pushback on this from the Democrats.
There's been a little bit, but deep down, they know that this is a completely defensible military action, right?
It's drug trafficking, Caribbean, nothing good that was happening here.
Alex Marlowe.
Yeah, it but unfortunately for the laugh, they still have a few people on Bluey, the Bluey app and on X the Everything app, where they do tweet out that this was illegal somehow, because remember, anything Trump does must be illegal.
And that's just great because then we get a new cycle of getting a dunk on them.
So I love that too, because inevitably someone is gonna say, taking out illegal alien gang members or trendy aragua gang members who are trying to, you know, work with cartels to get uh illegal and illicit fentanyl into our country to kill Americans, that that somehow is illegal for the president to deal with them.
No, it's great, it's wonderful, and it's just a reminder that President Trump and Secretary State Rubio is in a good job of this, keeping an eye on our own hemisphere is a big global reset that we've not seen from any other American politician and is very effective.
You know, you have to wonder is there gonna be a judge soon that's gonna require Trump to undo the strike of the 11 people that were killed?
And again, it's uh by the way, another court is blocking the deportation of trendy Aragua members after we just destroyed 11.
I'm all for this, and I I the deterrence of this.
Imagine if you are right now a drug trafficker that is planning to go bring in drugs tonight.
You're like, man, I I don't know if I want to do that.
My my hombre's just got blown up by something in the sky.
It is a massive deterrent against future drug trafficking, Alex.
Yeah, of course it is.
And it's a signal to China that they got to knock it off.
And again, I all roads lead to China with Trump's foreign policy.
Remember, they got Belt and Road, they're expanding into South America or that.
They're trying to dominate trade by cutting deal with Brazil, Chile, Peru, and they're trying to dominate uh lithium extraction in Bolivia.
All of this is protecting us.
So you can just choose your whatever you think is the biggest geopolitical threat, and this should fit into that narrative.
And that's why the left is gonna have to hold their nose on this one because they know this is a good thing ultimately in the end, but he's protecting Americans and he's doing with surprise devastating strikes, which does, Charlie, to your point send a signal to the rest of the world that if you mess with America, there's a new sheriff in town, and that's exactly what we need.
Shifting gears here for a second, just to repeat this though, a uh a two-one decision, U.S. appeals court has blocked the Trump administration from deporting Venezuelan trendy Aragua members using the Alien Enemies Act.
Uh, these court stories don't get as much play as they did because we know they'll get appealed and overturned.
But this is just yet another example.
The trend Aragua members are pumping drugs into our country, and the court says that we are not allowed to deport them.
So just another little item there.
Alex, what is your thought on the H-1B discussion?
We learned the other day that 75% of all H1B visas just came from India.
There's a lot of uproar here about the amount of H1B workers that's 400,000 a year.
Meanwhile, they are bragging about how they're taking American jobs and how Americans have to train their replacements.
What are your thoughts here, Alex Marlowe?
Yeah, and first of all, quickly on the the court ruling, uh, that this is exactly why I wrote breaking the law, which you've been so kind to uh promote over and over again, Charlie, is that this is not gonna stop uh until there's massive reform and there will be reforms.
But it's why we need to remain engaged and vigilant because this is their new resistance.
This is so much more effective than anything that uh you're gonna see on MSNBC or any sort of Hollywood grassroots stuff like the last Trump administration.
None of that's working at all.
Uh, this is the only thing the Democrats are incompetent.
Jasmine Crockett is nothing like this.
These courts are blocking Trump, and they're all acting as if they're presidents of the United States holding up the executive agenda.
It's an outrage, and it's a big deal.
Um, but to your big point, which I'm deeply passionate about, H1Bs, I've been thinking about this in a very specific context with these Indian families.
And I do not have it, I'm trying, I don't want to personalize this, make this some sort of a race thing because it's not.
Uh, here is the point.
Americans are here.
We pay exorbitantly into the system.
Our parents pay into the system, our grandparents pay into the system.
Uh, my mother-in-law was a daughter of the American revolution.
It's countless generations of people.
And we all pay in, we have roots down, we work through all of the nonsense.
I live out in California, the tax rate's insane.
We all go into deep debt on student loans.
And then our children eventually come out and they want to get a job.
And we look at the visa system and these companies see that there's an Indian somewhere who's also trained who was willing to do the job for 15% less.
And all of that history is just thrown out.
The people who have put their roots down, the people who, regardless of their homeland, their nation, their people are here.
And we just import people because they're willing to work for 15% less to raise the stock of Microsoft by uh half a percent.
That's ridiculous.
It should be unacceptable.
It should be illegal, to be frank with you, and should be severely limited to extreme to extreme overachievers who are willing to put down roots in America.
That's the limits of immigration right now, in my view.
Yeah, and so what what is the major driving force here?
Is it corporations?
And why is it that the nation of India is so okay with this?
Why do they want to keep on exporting some of their best and brightest?
What do they get in return from this?
Well, I think they have a lot of population, and I do think that they are uh having a relationship with America where we're somewhat dependent on them.
I think it's probably an advantage for them politically.
And I do think that there's a lot of money that's also sent back by remittances as well.
So I I see this as a uh probably overall a net positive for them.
I just find it deeply disturbing that we never frame up this conversation, Charlie, in a way that thinks about American families and um the history of American families that have been here and have been dealing with our system.
And our system is expensive, and our system in this country, with the amount of taxes that we pay, with the the cost of living, uh, the student loan grift that you've written about better than anyone.
Uh all of this it should go into the fact that why American families think that you should be able to get 15% more for these jobs.
And of course, it's driven by these uh CEOs, by these corporations, and this is the corporatization of America continues to have a lot of uh really negative side effects.
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This is a an incre this is a remarkable story.
The President Donald Trump is contemplating going to Chicago after the proven DC takeover model, which is working.
This is a local news station that's reporting in Chicago a repeat offender who had multiple arrests due to violence.
This is just this is what happens in Chicago.
This is Brandon Johnson and J.B. Pritzker Chicago.
Play cut 365.
According to online records, Livingston's history of random acts of violence against women goes back eight years.
In 2017, he was accused of randomly attacking two women months apart.
Both cases were dropped.
In 2022, Livingston was sentenced to five years in prison after prosecutors said he punched and attempted to rob four women within 20 minutes in the loop.
And yet, just 14 months later, in 2023, while on parole, Livingston was arrested for hitting a woman in the face on North Michigan Avenue.
And in 2024, he was sentenced to 100 days in prison after punching a 15-year-old girl.
Alex Marlowe, that's just one example of many.
He keeps on assaulting women, but the left keeps on letting them out because of cashless bail.
Alex Marlowe, what is your analysis now of what's happening in DC?
It looks to be a phenomenal success.
And is it time to scale?
Hey, you don't have to take my uh my word for it, take the mayor's word for it.
The mayor's on board and additional members of DC City Council are saying, yeah, they're on board.
So of course it's going to work.
The question is, can Trump legally expand this because of home rule policies that Trump has uh, I think leveraged effectively because all these cities need him, and it is a terrific use of our resources to try to restore law and order.
I think that we're heading towards a law and order election as of now.
We're far far way off from it, but I do think this will be the number one issue in uh forthcoming elections.
And the culture in Chicago has just been total lawlessness.
Again, in breaking the law, I wrote about Kim Fox, another Soros funded operative who is the DA there for a very long time, and her letting out 25,000 felony cases.
She refused to charge gang members uh in a veteran's murder.
She uh this was uh she was on the side of Juicy Smoulier, uh, the the hate crime hoaxer and kind of laughed when he eventually got away with it.
She gloated, acknowledging that he was probably guilty, even though we ended up getting away with it in the end.
That's the culture about crime in Chicago, and JB Pritziger acts like there's nothing we can do about it.
Well, Trump could prove him wrong in a second.
And I think that it is if Trump can do it, he should do it because it'll clean up an iconic American city and it'll make Trump look great in the process.
Yeah, and I just again the success of DC is remarkable.
Let's just don't take again my word for it.
Let's play cut 281.
Here's why Democrat cities are plagued by violence, should consider getting on board.
If you look here at Washington, DC at a two-week period this year compared to last year, property crime is down 20%.
But the biggest thing are all of the violent crimes, often including robbery, which is down 60%.
Homicides are down 71% from last year over this exact same uh period of time.
Assaults with a dangerous weapon, down 10%.
Yet if you listen to Democrats, they don't care about those statistics.
Alex, you say that you think we might be heading towards a law and order election.
It's about time.
We do not have enough prisoners in America.
We don't have enough arrests of people.
Our now I I pulled this yesterday.
This is an amazing, amazing statistic.
So the national this is one of my favorite stats that's never talked about.
It's called the national clearance rate.
The clearance rate is what percentage of murders get solved.
Pretty simple.
Right.
So in 1965, what if I told you 92% of all murders got solved?
The net now the clearance rate's now 50%.
What has changed in the last 60 years where we now have a 40-point decrease in the national clearance rate?
That means 40% more murderers are just walking free.
Alex Marlowe, one minute remaining.
Yeah, that's exactly the point that I think that we can take advantage of and try start using to try to clean up this country is that the left has intentionally protected criminals.
They think the law, they think the shoplifter vote, and apparently the murderer vote is just very powerful within their base, and they're they pander that group of people for some reason.
And they came up with some temporary hack where their crime stats can go down if they simply don't pursue crimes, if they don't prosecute whatever they can avoid prosecuting, and then it clears their roles, but it ends up just making the cities more lawless, and it means that we don't get justice for people who deserve it.
So this is an easy lane for conservatives to step up and say that we're gonna be the ones who restore law and order in the society.
The left hates law and order because they prefer chaos.
That's the whole George Soros model.
And uh, we have a huge opportunity here, and Trump is seized that clearly.
And now it's time to encourage him to keep going.
Alex Marlowe, author of Breaking the Law.
Check it out, breaking the law by Alex Marlowe.
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Nathan is the founder of The OCU and Theo Seminary, author of Hearing God and Killer Church.
Nathan, welcome to the program.
Nathan is without a doubt one of the smartest and most important theological thinkers of this generation.
Nathan, welcome to the program.
Hey, it's good to be on the show of the guy that was on South Park.
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And you're sitting in my chair as I'm uh location unknown.
Uh Nathan, there's so much happening here.
Why don't you take a moment to introduce yourself, your work, your scholarship.
Uh you are a deep thinker, and you should be taken very seriously.
Uh when you say something, I listen, and I mean that.
So please, Nathan, take a moment to introduce yourself and your line of work, please.
Yeah, yeah.
Uh um, so this is what a theologian looks like.
Um and I apologize for letting you down.
Um, but um, you know, I I uh I love God, I love the church, and um I think that the church in America and across the world um is doing better than we think, uh, first and foremost.
Uh but secondly uh needs needs a lot of work.
I believe that Jesus is coming back for a glorious bride and she's not there yet, but she's on the treadmill and she's doing keto.
Um and so that's sort of my line of work is just helping Christians think and and helping churches think about the big picture.
And um so that's kind of what I do.
Uh Theo Shu uh and Theo Seminary Um are how we train Christians to think about things uh and and um think about politics, think about uh the church and society uh think about I mean there's everything people have been saying that that you know um Christians are getting more political, but it's like no politics are getting a lot more theological.
And so we need people, particularly Christians, namely Christians to think theologically about politics, et cetera.
So we're not like a political organization by any means, but um but just de facto, if you're theological, you're you're uh now political.
So that's kind of um that's kind of what we do.
I I want to just focus on something you just said.
Politics is becoming more theological.
What do you mean by that?
Well, yeah, I mean, um every bit of legislation is moral.
Every single time that uh a decision is made um is moral, and where do morals come from?
Where do you know so they come from somebody's somebody's morality?
So whose morality um is the legislature uh ascribed to and uh and and prescribing for the populace.
So um so yeah, uh you know, debates about about sexuality and gender and and even nationalism and and um and borders and and crime, uh these are theological issues, and um they're profoundly theological.
I I follow a um uh a black uh pastor named Jamal Bryant um on Instagram, who is like a a devout uh you know Democrat and um and he believes he would say the exact same thing, um, you know, that uh politics are um they're theological um because they have to do with people.
And if you're speaking about people, people are moral moral beings and and um every policy affects somebody's life in in a s in a certain way.
So um that that's what I mean by that.
So so what then should how the ch how should the church act and operate in the political arena?
Should the church care about politics?
Should the church care about culture?
What do you have to say to pastors that say I don't get involved in that stuff?
I don't get involved in politics, I don't get involved in the moral fights, I don't get involved in the cultural fights, I just do the gospel.
What would your response to them be?
Yeah, so my my response would be that um if your business is people and policy is always about people, um, then inadvertently your business is about policy and you should absolutely be concerned about policy.
And um I don't think that necessarily Christians need to get up and endorse candidates, like specifically pastors need to endorse candidates.
I think that pastors just need to talk about um they need to talk about things as they as they come up.
Um, you know, in in uh I I people often ask me, Nate, what should I preach on?
And I should I just say scroll TikTok, doom scroll for an hour, and you will find something to preach on.
It's like great point.
It's the easiest way to write a sermon is to see where your congregation is sitting and and what they're going through, and then just write and help them and like apply God's word to the the questions that people are asking, you know, both individually and corporately.
So um yeah, so I I I don't think that there's any way that you can sidestep anymore as a pastor or as a as a church leader.
And once again, I'm not talking about endorsing candidates, but you we have to address culture and where things are at dead on.
Because if the if a pastor isn't doing it, somebody else is doing it.
The bottom line is that your congregation is being trained politically, uh, you know, through through policy and theologically.
And if you're gonna abdicate the throne of that, then don't be surprised when people start believing stupid things and and behaving in insane ways.
Yeah, and so but why is it that the church has abdicated its role?
Why is it that the church doesn't engage?
The church is silent and the church is afraid.
What where did we go wrong?
Was there a moment in time when is there a teaching?
Was there a trend?
Was there a creed?
Was there a fad?
Because the church was not like this 40, 50 years ago, but the church is largely silent on what happens outside of its walls.
The church is not fighting for life, the church is not fighting against transgenderism, the church is not fighting for the stuff that matters.
So where did we go wrong?
The seeker sensitive movement is the worst thing that ever happened to the American church in 70 years.
Um it's destroyed it.
Um that's where we went wrong.
So what kind of happened was you had a philosophy that, well, you know, the cats out of the bag, people are gonna be immoral, um, Christians no longer have um a seat in public life.
And so rather than trying to assert ourselves in public life, we're just gonna make everybody a Christian.
And if we can make everybody a Christian, that's how we can change the nation.
So uh Christians went after uh uh um the the church is designed, so it's a misunderstanding of how the church is designed.
The church is designed a to worship God, B, to equip the saints, and C to reach the world in that order.
And seekers reverse the order.
They go, We're the church is designed to reach people, um, and then to equip people and then to worship God.
And so when you get the design wrong, you get the church wrong immediately.
We went we uh when you become a seeker church, and a seeker church is a church that's after reaching people.
And there's nothing wrong with reaching people, but you have to have the order right.
And you have to the order matters because um if you make everything like, for example, my dad's generation, when my dad, like in the 70s, for them it's like, how do we get God to church?
That's the question that they asked.
Now people the the question that many churches ask, particularly many evangelicals, is how do we get people to church?
And so you you know, you're you're fishing for people, you're trying to that's that's where all the people pleasing starts.
That's where, oh, don't talk about this.
You know, you're walking on eggshells per c constantly because you're worried about offending people because your whole mission is bringing people to church.
And so that's what I believe went wrong, is we became seeker rather like seeker friendly rather than God friendly.
And so when you're trying to please people, everything's always gonna go sideways, and that's part of the reason why we become so effeminate um in our teaching and our theology and our philosophy, because the whole the whole shtick in evangelicalism is trying to reach people who ultimately don't care.
Like as James McDonald once said, you're just trying to fill your church with tears.
Um and so what we have to do, and I believe that this is one of the reasons why Pentecostalism is growing like wildfire all over the world, is because we have to get back to caring about God.
Like, how do we get God to church?
You know, by preaching the right thing, by worshiping correctly, and the the result will be that people will notice the difference and they'll want to come.
Um so it's sort of revival uh counterintuitively or paradoxically.
And bringing God to church, not just people the church, that it's beautifully said.
You and I have exchanged some text messages on the growing threat of Islam.
How should we think about Islam as Christians?
What what is this a threat?
Is this a problem?
Or is this kind of just you know, not not not something that we shouldn't waste our time with?
Yeah, so so great question.
Yeah.
So first and foremost, you should read the church fathers, read the first 1,500 years of church history and thinkers and pastors on Islam.
Like, how did they think about it?
So that would be my first.
Go educate yourself on how the church fathers, the patristics, thought about Islam, number one.
Because what you're going to discover is that they're a lot more unkind, a lot more militant.
They're closer to Christopher Hitchens than they would be to many of our modern leaders, number one.
Rick Warren.
Number two, I would say that I think that we were really naive a couple hundred years ago about real what religion was and I I don't believe that the founders had mislam in mind when they were thinking about freedom of religion you know particularly when you're thinking of them coming out of the European context and the Protestant reformation and you know if you were an if you weren't an Anglican and you're living in England that was going to be problems.
I think that they were thinking yeah like we're all Christians here we're all Europeans here.
You worship you know Jesus the way you see fit I'll worship Jesus the way I see fit.
I think that we have been extremely naive you know for example um you have Richard Dawkins about a year ago you know um any smart atheist like Richard Dawkins would say that they don't want to live really in a in a society where Islam has any type of political power whatsoever.
They want to live in a Christian society.
And so um the long and the short of it for me is that you have you can't just say naively Islam is a religion and that's the end of you have to understand that Islam is a political ideology and that is exactly what they want.
So I don't know if I would classify it as a mere religion and then that's where we get into the the thick of things hi America it's Charlie Kirk here.
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So Nathan, how then should we treat the importation of Islam into the West?
we would the how should the church react how should we as Christians act and react to this rising menace that is Islam.
Yeah so I think that we need to there needs to be a radical reevaluation of how we um how we characterize and understand Islam.
Like we have to, we have to, it's naive to just, once again, once it's just naive to call it a religion and it just ends there.
It's not.
It's a religion with a political ideology.
It has been from the very start.
And you have to ask yourself, is this political ideology that comes like inherent in the religion, is it compatible with Western civilization?
And Christopher Hitchens and many other very wise atheists and anybody, I think, with a brain in their heads would recognize that it is absolutely not compatible.
In no way is it compatible.
You know, it's funny to me, bro, because people complain about Christian nationalism and they use this term as a bludgeon, you know, to try to make people who are Christians not vote their conscience or not, you know, not vote along the things that they believe.
Everybody else can believe anything that they want.
But as soon as you're a Christian, then you're a Christian nationalist and you're a problem.
Right.
And, and you, you want to live like.
trust me you want to live in a Christian nationalist society.
Richard Dawkins wants to live in a Christian like England is a Christian nation.
It is like they're like the the the queen is the or the king now is head of the Anglican church like the the English church.
So you you want that.
Like that's what you want because Christian societies, believe it or not, are tolerant societies.
Like that's what they are.
They're tolerant of religions as long as those religions are that's what they are.
They're religions and and they don't, you know, get into these militant political ideologies.
There's not jihadism uh attached to them.
And we're we're playing a very big joke on ourselves.
I mean, we're watching it happen in England right now.
Um, like these the the grooming gang gangs in Birmingham and and like ever the English just brushed it under the rug and brushed under the rug.
They're conservative governments, brushed it under the rug, just continue to no no no, you know, multiculturalism and every religion is is fair.
It's not.
They're not they're they're not the same thing.
Muslims are not interested in the same thing.
They want power, they want political power, they're taking political power.
And if you think that Christians are restrictive, if you think that Christians, you know, are intolerant.
You have another thing coming.
You are naive if you don't understand exactly what Islam is.
It's more than a religion.
I completely and totally agree.
And so this totally shifting gears.
Is there a revival happening in America?
If so, what can we do to accelerate it?
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
There is revival happening in America.
Um it's happening.
There's churches, churches all over America are growing.
Um, churches that prioritize the word of God um and the presence of God.
Those churches are blowing up.
I travel nonstop.
Uh, that's what I do for a living.
I speak at churches, and the churches that I go to are blowing up.
Like the church is not shrinking.
The church people are becoming more religious worldwide and in America.
Like, so spirituality is on is on the on the up tick.
Um and the the formula is like it's not a you know, deconstructioned or uh um it unrecognizable spirituality.
Um it is a strong biblical spirituality that is rooted in the the ancient church, and that's is I do believe, like I would agree with the evangelicals that um yes, the church is the answer.
Jesus is the answer for America, he always will be.
It's not a president, it's Jesus Christ, but the church has to be a church that is the covenant community shaped by the covenant.
It can't be a church that's trying to build with their own strategy, they have to build according to the blueprint shown to us, and that blueprint is scripture.
So any church that is adhering to scripture and is engaging culture the way that that you know the church has for two thousand years, those churches are growing.
So we are in revival, and we're gonna continue to see churches like that come uh explode and take ground.
