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My conversation with Nala Ray.
This is a little bit of an R-rated conversation.
She's a former OnlyFans, let's just say individual, and she left that lifestyle and has now given her life to Jesus.
I think you're going to really enjoy this conversation.
Again, it's a little bit more explicit, but if you have anyone that you know that is doing OnlyFans, this is a very important topic for you.
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Nala Ray, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Thank you so much.
This is an honor.
So I met you at one of our campus events.
Yeah, what an exciting event too, especially for you being at your last, right?
That was the conclusion.
Yeah.
It went very viral.
It did.
So in your own words, why don't you tell me your story?
All right, so I'm most known for being old.
So that's a pretty great accomplishment in that realm, that world.
You know what I'm saying?
So being like a top earner, being very famous, very public about what I did, going on podcasting, the most ridiculous, crazy things for views.
I mean, you do that, but in a...
And for a good cause, I was not.
So that's what I did for the last five years, and that's what I'm known for.
You know, I grew up as a pastor's kid to a Baptist pastor.
Really?
Yeah, not a lot of people know that, but, like, I think that's where my journey really started, in a cage of religion.
You know, I didn't have a relationship with Christ.
I just knew church, going to church, being on the worship team, and doing what my parents told me to do.
So I have a ton of questions, but we have a lot of older Americans that listen to this, and they have no idea what OnlyFans is.
Oh, wow.
It's the downfall of America.
Right.
So, thank you for saying that.
So, OnlyFans is not just modeling.
That's what they love to portray it as.
You're a model, right?
When you think of model, you're thinking of walking on runways, being prestigious, like you're very beautiful.
You know, that is your lifestyle and getting paid to do that, but not being paid to show nothing.
So, OnlyFans in a nutshell is literally just you selling whatever you want behind a paywall.
OnlyFans loves to portray it as just being a model, but it's so much deeper than that.
I don't know one person on that platform that doesn't show nothing.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, doesn't, you know, show just, like, clothing.
You know what I'm saying?
With on.
It's all about porn.
So, yeah.
So, for those that don't know in the audience, OnlyFans is a subscription service.
Mostly used by men, but also women.
But mostly men, would you say?
Right.
Because men pay for sex.
Right.
So, they're paying.
Individuals like yourself to either send them individually or to view your naked pictures.
Absolutely.
So how popular is this platform?
You know, when I started back in 2020, 2019, it wasn't that popular.
Like, I was so unaware of what that platform was.
It had been up apparently since like five years before that, but it was just weird.
You could be a therapist on there.
That's what they sold it as.
And that's exactly what they intended it for it to be.
But it turned into something very different very fast.
And I was one of the leaders in that movement of putting porn on that site.
So how many people were giving you money a month?
Oh my gosh.
My max subscribers were like 270,000 subscribers.
270,000.
That's a lot.
That's a lot.
It's a big fan base.
That's like two Arrowhead stadiums, if you know Arrowhead stadiums.
It's massive.
When you think about it like that in real person.
Or like two big houses, like the Michigan Big House, two of those.
And they were mostly men.
Almost all men.
I'd say 90% of men.
So just as a side note, OnlyFans has millions of young men that then pay young ladies and sometimes other men.
But that's a whole separate.
That's a very separate issue.
To have them have personalized...
You get in relationship with this girl online.
It's like the whole girl next door movement.
It's a relationship.
That's what the girls and OnlyFans market it as.
But you do not have a relationship with them.
So almost 90% of the women on OnlyFans are managed by OnlyFans managers.
I was going to get into that.
Would you call them pimps?
A million percent.
They're grooming pimps.
Did you have one?
Absolutely.
I had two.
Really?
Tell me about that.
They're like in their 40s.
They're men.
OnlyFans agencies are only run by men.
I've never met or seen one that's not run by a man.
They cannot force them to, but they'll insinuate you will never make enough money if you don't do this scene.
You will never do this.
They always provide either drugs and alcohol at the content houses, very readily available.
They'll bring in big porn stars to work with those girls too.
That has happened to me many times where someone who doesn't even work on OnlyFans is brought in.
To be like an object for other people.
How many, so there's a fair amount of college women that get drawn into this.
Would you say millions?
Absolutely.
So many being at 18 years old.
Yeah, and what is shocking for some older Americans to hear is how normalized this has become.
That's what I'm seeing too, is that, well, sex is so readily available even on your Instagram feed.
You know what I'm saying?
You're just seeing girls half naked in bikinis, showing and supporting their OnlyFans, you know, so broadly.
And so then let's go back to you for a second.
So you're a pastor's daughter.
What state are you from?
Where are you from?
Illinois.
I was born there.
What part?
Decatur.
I know Decatur.
Yeah, yeah.
So I'm from Wheeling, Illinois.
Okay.
Yeah.
Northwest suburbs.
Okay.
So, yeah, I know Decatur.
That's central Illinois.
Yeah.
I was, yeah.
My dad was a Baptist pastor for a long time.
I don't even know how our family got into that.
It was so sporadic.
I have a very broken family, though.
A lot of it started with my family losing everything we had in a tornado.
We lost our home, our clothes, our toys, our food.
Everything was gone one night.
How old are you?
I was eight years old.
And so your family, like I'm the middle of five children with two parents at the time.
So then after that tragedy happened to my family, And then I lost my dad for like two years.
He left our life.
And then he came back in the picture two years later, remarried my mom, became a pastor out of nowhere.
So we went through multiple church splits after that.
I don't know why, you know, but we did.
We went through so many church splits.
My dad stopped being a pastor, was dragging his family all around like Florida, Illinois, everywhere, just to like live his dream of being in the spotlight.
You know what I'm saying?
Even if it was just a pastor.
So my life drastically changed.
And now my parents are divorced again.
My dad's in jail facing a life sentence.
Oh, what did he do?
He did a lot of things, actually.
A lot of it started with their second divorce because he cheated on her again.
He was stealing money from me while I was on OnlyFans.
He had a lot of drug addiction and nobody really knew about it.
It just randomly came out.
It was awful.
It's terrible.
It's terrible.
And then he broke into my mom's house with like a gun and a knife and like assault and battery happened.
And so he is now facing a life sentence.
So, walk me through the first moment you heard about OnlyFans.
I was on Instagram.
I was a literal nobody on Instagram.
I just like fitness stuff.
You know, my name is Fitness Nala on Instagram.
I love fitness stuff.
So, this random person reached out to me.
It was a gentleman.
Reached out to me.
Well, he's not a gentleman.
He's just a man.
But he reached out to me and started talking to me about OnlyFans.
And COVID had just hit.
So, like, we're all, like, getting sent home from work.
I was in a very normal job.
Working in 9 to 5, like I was working in orthopedics at the time, like scheduling surgeries and stuff.
So they moved me home because of COVID and he reached out to me and was like, hey, you do so good on OnlyFans.
You would make so much money.
All you have to do is use my referral code and sign up.
So anything I would make, he would make 5% of it.
That's what he was trying to do.
And OnlyFans had that rule for a while about referrals and stuff like that.
If they could get people on OnlyFans, they'd make money off of you, etc.
a million percent.
So then And like my first month working very hard, I made like $87,000.
I quit my job immediately and went full into OnlyFans.
In one month?
One month.
Okay, so this is early, 2018, 2019, right?
So you're one of the first pioneers of this app.
So you are, at this moment, do you have a good relationship with your father?
Semi, yeah.
I was closer to him than I was any other person in my family.
But that relationship seemed like it was taking a turn.
Downwards as this was happening?
It honestly wasn't at that point.
I loved my dad.
I had a good relationship with him sort of after he came back to our family.
I felt like he was the only person that I really related to in my family.
We're kind of like the entrepreneurs in the family, stuff like that.
Like our relationship kind of stayed the same where my mom and my completely disintegrated.
She stopped talking to me for four years after that.
I never spoke to one of my siblings after that for the next four years either.
So it was just me and my dad.
So you are posting bikini pictures.
And I'm sure at some moment there was a fork in the road.
Of course.
Where you had to make a conscious decision to post more than bikini pictures.
Because a lot of the girls watching this right now, they all put bikini pictures themselves on Instagram.
Absolutely.
That's not unusual.
I don't think it's good, but that's not unusual.
Bring us into the room of the moment that you decided to hit publish on a naked picture of yourself.
So it was when I felt like nothing else to lose.
My parents had found out I was on OnlyFans like a month and a half after I'd started.
And they found out from other people.
So I really thought I could hide it.
I really did.
But you can't hide from the internet when you're on it.
They found out.
They confronted me about it.
This was right before I was going to move to California.
And so I was in Florida at the time.
They confronted me about it.
That was when my mom decided to completely cut ties with me.
And I was like, well, my dad supports me being on it.
He truly said he supported me.
And if he was younger, he would probably do the same thing.
Was he still a pastor?
No, no.
Thank goodness, right?
That would be quite an interesting pastor.
Absolutely.
So, yeah, I felt like I had absolutely nothing else to lose.
I didn't have friends.
I didn't have a boyfriend.
I was just ready.
And so I was like, okay, I'm moving to California.
And it went hardcore real fast.
And first of all, thank you for being so open about this because I think our audience needs to know because this is replicated now, unfortunately, thousands of times.
And it's not talked about enough.
Thank you for being so vulnerable with it.
Absolutely.
Were you seeking money or was there something else?
Was there a validation?
Oh, validation and attention.
I struggle so hard in my family dynamic with feeling loved.
My mom wasn't like a loving, nurturing mom.
She was like a disciplinarian, kind of cold, like therapist kind of mom.
It wasn't like, come hug me, come give me love.
It was just kind of like, let me teach you something new so you'll be good at something kind of mother.
Nothing wrong with that.
But when your child really craves love and they don't get it, they look elsewhere for it.
And I did.
So for me, I was like, okay, cool.
I'm doing nothing wrong here.
You know, just validating that sin over and over again.
But yeah, I turned mainly for attention.
I never thought I was going to make that kind of money, but that attention felt really good, even though it was bad attention.
How much money were you making a month at the peak?
$300,000 to $50,000 to $400,000 a month.
Yeah, so that's about almost $5 million a year.
Yep.
So talk our audience through the different levels of experiences, for lack of a better term, that the audience could purchase.
Wow, I had a whole menu, actually.
So walk us, what was on the menu?
How graphic do you want me to be?
Well, not graphic, but how personal, Extremely personal.
Meaning the man would pay exorbitant amount of money to get not just – If they wanted a customized video.
That's the point.
It was about the control of you, right?
It was control completely, and they could ask for anything.
It didn't mean I have to accept everything, and I didn't.
What kind of money are we talking about here?
It depends on the request.
It always depended on the request.
the higher the risk, the more money it was.
$5,000, $10,000, $20,000?
A few whales did pay for stuff like really like $20,000 was like one of my biggest requests for a very weird video.
And like even down to like pictures that were like really odd, like wanting to see like the pores in my skin, like really weird stuff.
Yeah, it was weird, but I, like, you know, really tricked myself into believing, like, oh, well, I'm at home.
I'm safe.
You know, this isn't really affecting me.
Yeah, I'm, like, literally catering to really perverted men, but they can't touch me.
So it made it better for me, you know, and mentally it did.
And I smoked a lot of weed, actually.
Yeah, so I was going to ask you about that.
So almost, there's a one-to-one correlation between the porn industry and heavy drug use.
Oh, you cannot do porn without drugs or alcohol.
You cannot do it.
I've never seen it.
Why do you think that is?
You have to numb yourself because what you're doing is immoral.
Absolutely no ethics are involved in what you're doing.
There's nothing good about it.
There's nothing that feels good about it.
People love to watch porn and be like, oh yes, that's so satisfying.
It's so pleasing.
It's so good.
Nothing about it is good.
It's so dark and evil and the scars it leaves after every scene is so damaging.
You have to try to forget it.
Weed really does aid in memory loss.
Me, smoking was just like try to forget, try to forget.
It put me to sleep every night.
It helped me wake up in the morning.
It was my absolute everything.
Relationships with other OnlyFan creators?
Absolutely.
I thought they were all fake.
I really did.
Like, I had a really hard time making friends because everybody in it is so messed up in the head.
Like, truly messed up.
Like, on the outside, they'll be all sweet and inviting, but they're only there to justify your sin.
You're only friends because you do the same thing.
And it feels good.
You're like, oh, cool.
Because I always looked at it like this.
Like when I was on OnlyFans, normal people who don't do OnlyFans are just kind of fascinated by you or they're repelled by you.
They're like, that's so gross.
I wouldn't come like within 10 feet of that person.
Or they're so like, oh my gosh, that's a porn star.
You know, just infatuated with you.
But other people in the porn industry.
They get it.
You're probably doing the same kinds of drugs.
You're drinking the same kinds of alcohol.
You're doing the same kinds of scenes.
It's familiar.
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When we're talking about porn, for four years.
But content, five years.
Okay.
So walk me through like year three.
You've been doing it for three years.
Yeah, I was getting really into my niche in year three.
So talk about that.
So I became like the gamer anime girl.
That was my niche in the system.
What does that mean to...
Cosplaying is just dressing up like another character.
Like whether you think about superheroes, villains, anime.
Like I would do wigs.
I would change my eye color.
I would wear different makeup.
I would speak differently.
Like really embodied a whole nother person.
So my whole thing on OnlyFans was you can get any kind of girl with me.
Because I'm blonde, I'm brunette, I have redhead one day, I have pink hair another day.
Like, I'm not the same girl twice.
Which for men desire variety.
Absolutely.
And I knew that if I offered that variety, I'd make more money, and I did.
So instead of going to another girl who's like, let's say I was redheaded, they wanted a blonde, they don't have to get off of me.
I could still be a blonde for them, you know?
How often did you post content?
Every day.
I had a team.
All I did...
Okay, so an OnlyFans team, I had two.
One was a really bad.
Like, I was six months into the industry.
They found out about me, saw my numbers, and they were like, wow, we need to pick her up.
I knew nothing about OnlyFans agencies.
And it was a really perverted, two perverted men in that agency who would literally call me with like their junk hanging out to try to like masturbate to me while I was just on a call with them.
You know, they'd invite me to content houses.
What is a content house?
Content house is a place rented out to invite other creators similar to you to create content in different rooms.
All you do is drink, drugs, and create content like a revolving door.
That's really dark.
It's only with other females, though.
There were never males at these events other than the heads of the agencies.
So you're at a place where you're creating content almost every single day.
Yep.
I work seven days a week.
Yeah, year three becomes year four.
Yeah.
Walk me through the moment where you're at the top of your game, right?
You are...
Why did you stop?
So I stopped at year five.
In September 2023, I was scrolling on TikTok, and I saw my husband now, Jordan.
He's right here.
Yeah, he's right here.
So he was dressed up.
On TikTok.
So he's prior military.
And he had this like bulletproof vest on, a helmet.
I'm like, why is this guy on TikTok looking like G.I. Joe, right?
So I was like, that's so funny.
And I just engaged with him a little bit on live.
And then I gifted him a little bit.
Gifting means just like helping him win TikTok live battles.
And we got connected that way.
We gave each other each other's phone numbers.
He called me out of the blue one day, like FaceTime me.
And this is a good Christian man.
He has no idea who I am.
Like, didn't even bother to look at my social medias.
Was just thankful that I was in his life.
And I was like, okay, cool.
He FaceTimes me and we spent the next eight hours on the phone.
He's engulfing in conversation together.
He just spoke about God like I've never heard someone speak about Christ ever in my life.
Even being through like pastor's kid, religion, church after church after church.
He spoke about God in such a loving way.
And like, you could just see the love.
And like, you know, that people say now, like that Jesus glow.
He had that, like something so special within him.
And I wanted it.
I was so attracted to like why he felt this way.
So we continued to talk day after day.
It became, our conversation became longer and longer.
I had stopped doing content at that time.
Like I stopped producing.
I was just, you know, my agency was like recycling content from my past now.
I just stopped.
After I started talking to Jordan, I just felt something inside me.
I felt wrong creating content while I was speaking to someone, but he wasn't my boyfriend or anything.
He was just a friend.
And the more he spoke to me about Christ and texted me Bible verses once or twice a day, would send me just full-on videos of Christian speaking.
And I was like, does he know who I am?
I don't believe in that anymore.
So I told him, I was like, hey, you know I'm on OnlyFans, right?
And he was like, Whoa, what's that?
You know, he was not on that side of the internet.
So then, yeah, I told him everything about what I was doing, how I made my money, everything, and it didn't repel him at all.
I was so awestruck.
I was like, wait, you're not disgusted by me?
You know, like, how could you not be?
So at that time, like, I was really starting to feel like what I thought was guilt at the time, but it's conviction.
I'm starting feeling conviction over what I had done, what I was doing, and that's what made me stop, like, Producing content at the time.
So first of all, it's a beautiful story.
But it's not that easy, I'm sure.
You stopped doing content, but there was an agency that was making a lot of money off of you.
Absolutely.
Like 40% of my earnings.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
So you really weren't making $5 million?
No, I was not making that.
And then OnlyFans takes 20%.
Oh, so you were making...
Not $5 million a year.
And then California taxes are ridiculous.
We're not going to talk about that.
Okay.
There's still a lot of money, but yes.
Yeah.
But hold on.
You say I'm going to stop producing content.
What did your pimps have to say?
You know, I didn't tell them what was going on.
You know, some creators do take breaks and they need those breaks.
Like they really do.
I witnessed that a few times with women having like mental and emotional breakdowns that will just leave the internet, you know, and then come back and act like everything's okay.
I witnessed that quite a few times.
And women who had to go to therapy for drug abuse and addiction, it really does happen all the time.
So they weren't surprised when I stopped.
I had been a workhorse for like, So it wasn't surprising that I needed a little bit of a break, but I never mentioned anything.
It just started slowly sliding out.
I just slowly stopped producing.
And my team did their job, continued to sell what I had made.
Five years of content is a lot of content.
So they weren't worried about anything until...
I'd just gotten baptized in January of 2024.
And so I told him outright, I was like, I don't need you anymore.
Like to my manager, I was like, I'm quitting OnlyFans.
He, like his response was.
Very typical of what I thought he would say was just like, you know, you can't make it in the real world.
You need this money.
Like, what are you going to do now?
You need me.
Stuff like that is just so controlling.
And I really got to see a very dark side to him after that.
You know, it was a really scary thing for me to, like, let that life go.
It was terrifying to me because I'm like, now where am I going to make my money from?
What am I going to do with my life?
Like, this is all I know right now.
I don't have my family in my life, you know?
So, and then even the day I, again, like I told my dad, like, I wanted to get off OnlyFans.
He was like, oh, no, you should stay on for another year, year and a half.
Great father.
Great father.
Yeah.
So you cut the cord.
You deleted the accounts.
Absolutely.
It's all gone.
All gone.
All gone.
You wiped it.
Everything.
And then you started life new.
Yeah.
When did you get married to your husband?
We got married in March 2024 on Easter weekend.
Praise the Lord.
Yeah.
And so you got baptized.
You have baptized.
Repentance means to take a change.
But the modern gospel, Nala, says that...
And like, you could still do OnlyFans and Jesus will just say, I love you.
Well, that's a Mr. Potato Head Jesus.
That's not, that's a made up Jesus.
You know, we love to identify Jesus as accepting us for who we are.
I've even heard, you know, artists like Sophie Rain, one of the biggest OnlyFans models, even be like, oh, Jesus loves me.
Yeah, yes.
He loves you.
He does not love your sin.
He does not condone what you're doing and saying, oh, you're happy.
You're making money.
It's okay.
That is not the God we serve, thankfully for that, because it would never induce you.
Were there points throughout your journey where, walk me through some of the lows.
On OnlyFans?
Man, I was smoking so much.
I was drinking.
I wasn't like an alcoholic, but I did drink.
So I felt like my life really didn't have much purpose other than showing my body.
That was all I was to the world.
So it was just a mouthpiece and a body.
That must have made you quite depressed.
I wasn't depressed because I didn't feel anything from smoking.
You just numbed yourself up.
Oh, I couldn't feel anything other than anger sometimes.
and I threw myself into the gym.
That was the only feeling I had was pain in the gym.
Other than that, I didn't cry.
I didn't feel anything.
I didn't sit in the shower and sob.
Nothing like that.
I felt nothing.
Of the women that are now OnlyFans creators still, what do they have in common?
In common of what?
Oh, they're broken.
Absolutely.
In any sense of the form of brokenness, it exists in their life.
They don't have to have family issues to be broken, but maybe something happened along their life.
They didn't have the right direction.
You know, parents didn't parent.
They were friends to their kid.
That's a big issue, too, I see.
Like if a parent is not being a parent, like the Bible says specifically to raise up the child in the way that they should go.
That's a very like, It's a really hard decision we make, especially in the generation we live in now, just soiled in social media, soiled in this idea of Jesus in a box.
Porn is everywhere.
When you talk to most young men and ask them, what was the age where you first experienced porn?
Crazy how young it is.
And parents just don't care.
They don't care.
Parents are actually helping them.
Right.
And they want to ignore.
Like, at 13, I was molested.
That was my introduction into sex was a very perverted sense of the word.
So it could be anything.
It didn't have to do with parenting.
It could be anything.
Drug abuse, watching drug around you.
Like, man, anything can affect that.
And a woman, a woman need to be led.
You know, God is your leader first and foremost.
You don't have to have a husband to lead you.
You know, women need that direction.
So when you're being directed by groomers in OnlyFans agencies, of course you're going to do the worst of the worst.
I compromised so many times when I never thought I would.
I did.
And so you got married in spring of 2024.
You gave your life to the Lord.
Admittedly, I can usually anticipate how things are going to play out on the internet.
I'm pretty good at that.
Okay.
But when we announced you at our Young Women's Leadership Summit, the self-righteous backlash was very confounding to me.
And usually I'm like, I can kind of get it, but they're like, Charlie, why would you have Nala Ray speak?
I said, well, from what I understand, she's repented, convicted towards a new life.
She's given her life to Jesus.
She's married and has a lot to share about this industry.
I hate to even ask you this, but what do you say to people that say you're a fake, you're a fraud, you're disingenuous?
I think in general, change is a very hard concept for people to grasp because that normally means you're stuck.
Being stuck sucks.
So change is an idea of completely rerouting.
And if you've lived a certain way, For me, it was very difficult to give up promiscuity, to give up weed, to give up cussing, to give up, you know, seeking after attention of the world.
It was like, I'm still dealing with stuff like that in counseling.
You know, I'm not perfect.
I am not like completely healed now and here to just share my message.
I'm very broken.
Very broken because of the choices I made.
But I realized those choices and I'm very open about it because I want to help other people.
You know, either where it's coming from, the left or the right side, I see a disingenuine act of, you know, concern.
I feel like they're acting out of concern, but it's really not concern.
It's just putting down because they're stuck in their own life and they don't know how to change.
Or maybe they do know how to change, but they don't want to change.
Changing is hard.
Yeah, and I think at least some of the criticism is, I don't know, it's like, oh, I don't want to say legalistic because I hate that word.
But, I mean, at least from what I understand, and I think I know the Bible pretty well.
I'd say you do.
I think repentance is like a pretty important component of Christianity.
Right?
And not just like saying the words, but actually demonstrating that you're leaving a sinful lifestyle.
It would be very different if I was sitting here today and being like, I don't even think I'd be here today.
If I said, oh, you know, I accepted Christ in my heart.
I'm changing and I'm still on OnlyFans.
Yeah, we'd have a much different conversation.
I would not be here today.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'd be asking much different questions.
Yeah.
So I think what's crazy about the people that love to hate on me, I like to call my biggest fans, is that mainly that, you know, they push for change.
They say, like, why don't we change in this generation?
What is wrong with our youth?
But then when it actually happens, like a case like mine actually happens, they cannot believe it.
It's a great point.
You know what I'm saying?
I think it truly is a hard concept to grasp for them.
Well, and it's like, no one knows.
I mean, I can't read your heart.
Only God can.
But I can read your actions.
And actions do speak louder than words.
Unless you have some sort of, like, burner-only fans again.
Do you?
Right?
You can ask my husband.
Right?
No.
But like you're also, aren't you like in tax debt or something?
Huge amounts of tax debt.
Which happens to all these OnlyFans people, right?
Yeah, but it wasn't even my fault.
My CPA in 2021 failed to file my taxes because he got sent to jail for some reason.
We got to get better people around you.
Your dad's going to jail or your CPA's going to jail.
We got to rebuild your team.
I would love that.
Right, Jordan?
I would love that.
Too many people are going to jail.
Listen, I know.
No, I'm giving you a hard time.
So, but you're in tax debt.
Yeah.
So if it was all about the money, then you would have just...
Why would I give that up?
Because literally, I could clear my tax debt up now, which is $300,000 in a month of OnlyFans.
So, why wouldn't I just go back?
Right?
Well, of course.
Yeah, and so, again, I just, the, I tried to seriously Okay.
And I was, like, trying to understand what is so controversial about this.
And I guess they're like, well, Charlie, why are you having a porn star come to your conference?
I was like, well, former is a pretty important word in life.
It is.
It is.
And also, here's an interesting question.
So the young ladies in this audience, almost assuredly, all of them, I don't know if any of them are Unonly fans, but...
Well, or at least they have friends on OnlyFans, right?
And I guarantee you this.
If you have a son right now, chances are somebody's son in this audience is consuming OnlyFans.
Oh, a million percent.
One of my favorite clips ever in the history of our campus content.
You show up and you ask the question at the event at UC Riverside.
And Nala says, you know, I was on OnlyFans.
And if you listen carefully.
You hear all the shouts.
All the seven men are like, yeah.
Yeah.
Until I'm like, I score in them and then they shut up.
So, like, these men coming to our campus events are, like, spending money and consuming on this.
Like I said in the interview with you, they're supplying the demand.
Totally.
The issue is so much more.
And I've seen a lot of, like, some right-winged people even say, like, oh, girls just need to close their legs.
There wouldn't be a demand if men were not asking for it.
No, I agree.
That's true.
It's a both issue.
It's not men or just women or men or just women.
No, I totally agree.
Both-sided.
Male nature, when it comes to sexual matters, is very primal, unfortunately.
But let me ask you, though, more applicably, when you were selling content, were the men respectful to you?
Some were, but it was more just simpy behavior.
What does that mean?
Simpy behavior is mainly...
I hate that word.
Oh my gosh.
You've got to calm down the Gen Z stuff here.
Oh my gosh.
I'm a millennial too, so that doesn't make any sense to me.
But for me, that simp behavior is mainly just like, I'll do anything for you.
Like very cowardly behavior.
Yeah, sure.
So I understand that.
They're talking to probably like 30-year-old Indian males on the other side of the computer screen sharing very intimate details about themselves.
How many were American on your – I never met my team.
No, no, no, no.
I mean, on your customers.
I have no idea.
I was never talking to them.
Wasn't there a chat or some way that they could send you messages?
Yeah, I wasn't in charge of the chat.
I had a team in charge of the chat.
Every woman does.
They thought they were talking to you.
Yes, that is a very tricky thing there.
So you're giving, again, sensitive information, probably sending, like they are sending sensitive pictures and a man is probably looking at it.
Oh, that's gross.
Very gross.
Yeah.
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There are hundreds of thousands of young women right now that are still in captivity in OnlyFans.
Would you agree with that description?
A million percent.
You are the top earner and you just left.
One of them, yeah.
Yeah.
What is your message?
To these young women, where at times, again, I don't spend any time on social media, but at times, my team is sending me pictures of screenshots of young ladies that wanted to get involved with Turning Point chapters, and they have OnlyFans accounts in their bio.
And it's like there's no shame anymore around it.
Interesting.
Anyway, to say, it's been largely normalized.
What is your message to the women that are currently captive to the OnlyFans?
Well, I think mainly they're looking for value.
So if we can break that down a little bit, if like it's not even about the money necessarily, money is like an...
They're looking for attention.
They're looking for love.
Everyone looks for love in different things.
Some people look for it in food.
Some people look for it in alcohol or family or friends or whatever it is.
But these women are actively looking and seeking after love.
but their value is not made up in likes or views or filters.
It is truly made up in the audience.
You know, God does love you.
You are absolutely right about that, but He does not justify your sin.
You chose that life, and you can get out of it.
It is not a simple path, but you absolutely can get out of that and live the life that God created for you.
You know, if God says you are fearfully and wonderfully made, you are.
You know, when you look at how God described in Genesis.
When he created the earth, about it being good.
You know, he says, like, the sun, the moon, the stars, the galaxies, the sea.
Animals, that was good, but yet he describes us as fearfully and wonderfully made.
He thinks you're wonderful, you know, and that's such a special thing to do and be in the sight of God.
So I feel like you're looking for an identity so hard in the world and the world is giving you so much, only so much.
My husband explained it the best that the devil has a budget.
He can only give you so much, but God can give you everything that you've ever actually needed.
We're in such a generation of pleasure and me and selfishness and pride and ego.
And it's such a blinder.
You know, this world, living our life is not about us.
It's about being a servant.
Just like Jesus came not to be served, but to be a servant.
That is what our purpose is.
And the sooner we find that out, the better our lives will be.
So the, it's a beautiful message.
Thank you.
Do you think the church, the American church, has served?
Young people, young women well.
Which denomination?
Well, any, let's say, the evangelical church, the non-denominate, because, I mean, the church should be the one that is speaking love into these people's lives.
How many pastors are even speaking about the crisis of pornography?
Not a lot.
I know, like, one, Jonathan Pakluda, does openly speak about that.
Love his sermons.
John Bevere does speak about it.
Love his books.
But not a lot.
And I'm very surprised about it.
But what they seem to be doing is mainly just talking towards the men, which, yes, they need to be spoken to and taught.
But the women need a safe haven.
And that church should be the safe haven because as the body of Christ, we are the arms, the hands, the fingers.
We are meant to reach out.
And if we are not doing that, we are stuck in place.
It's like the body of Christ now has arthritis or something.
We just don't want to move.
We're so comfortable where we are.
In the five years I was on OnlyFans, Jordan was the only person to tell me.
Tell me about Christ and like how much he loved me.
I had not one Christian, not one person that went to church.
Tell me about that.
So what are these pastors?
I mean, so we have multi-billions of dollars spent on Christian ministry every year.
Right.
Where is it going?
To go build a water well in Senegal, which is fine.
Great.
Cool.
But like you're trying to tell me not a single pastor or like young woman Christian.
No one ever reached out to you to minister to you?
Not one person.
That's kind of strange, isn't it?
It's a bit like seeing it from this lens.
Yes, it's very strange because of all the proclaimed like Christians, you know what I'm saying?
There's so many.
Why do you think that is?
I think Christians have gotten very comfortable.
Roughly speaking, I'm not all.
They've gotten very comfortable going to church on Sunday, you know, supporting in this young adults group.
Like they're comfortable in their scenario because nothing inside their circle is uncomfortable.
Nothing is unclean.
But like, you know, again, like with the Pharisees, they didn't want to touch people.
They didn't want to touch the unclean, the lepers, the blind, the sick.
They didn't touch them.
God did.
Jesus did.
So, I don't know why they're not, though.
I don't have the answer for that.
No, yeah, I just, I don't either.
I just find it, I mean, you're an interesting test case, right?
Where you were hyper-social, so you're very easy to reach.
Yeah.
Right.
I mean, like a youth pastor very well could have been like...
I was always in my DMs and emails.
Yeah, I mean, like, I don't know.
I have an email in my bio.
Some pastor, I don't know, or some person who does this for a living could have been like, hey, we should chat.
There is a God.
He loves you.
Most likely.
But it never happened.
And I'm so surprised by that.
But hold on.
We literally have ministries where people go to people on death row.
Absolutely.
Which is good.
Everyone deserves the gospel, right?
But I don't understand why there's like so...
Yeah.
Love that.
I would love to go do my own missionary work across the country, something like that.
But again, people in our own backyard.
You're doing missionary work right now.
I love that.
But again, people in our own backyards are absolutely suffering, hurting, you know, and like, man, Jesus came for that broken person, left the 99 to find the one I was that one.
Yeah.
And so talk more about like, I mean, for this, I know that we've been through this a little bit, but I think it's important.
Like, do you believe that God?
Absolutely.
And it was so, like, strategic.
You know, when I stopped smoking weed, I hadn't become a Christian yet.
I got very sick.
Why did you stop smoking weed?
I got sick.
Oh, okay.
Like, it was so weird.
I got, like, this weird flu or something, and it, like, repelled me from smoking weed.
I was, it was early, early, uh, no, wait, sorry, late December.
This was, like, before I got saved.
I got so sick and I stopped smoking weed.
And I was like, what's going on with my body?
I've been so dependent on this for such a long time.
But I realize that now that God needed me to be sober-minded in order to accept Him into my heart.
I wasn't strung out on drugs.
And there's nothing wrong with people being strung out and then accepting Christ.
God loves you no matter what.
But I was sober-minded.
I knew what I was doing.
I understood the decision and the leap of faith that I was about to take in my life, and I took it.
But God did very strategic things in my life, starting with Jordan and what he was saying to me from the beginning that caused conviction in my heart about stopping content.
It was just random little things.
Obviously, like the cussing, I threw out half my closet of clothes because I was like, I can't even give this clothes away because I'd hate for another woman to be out wearing this.
It's too promiscuous, you know?
So just making those steps and just continuing in faith, like faith is the hardest thing for a new believer to do and have, is just have faith in Christ.
Let Him provide your needs.
Like I had no idea where my next paycheck was going to come from.
And God just provided everything I needed in that moment.
Not millions of dollars, not hundreds of thousands.
Exactly what I needed.
Thank you for that.
So in the scriptures, it warns against pharmakia, which is the use of psychological or psychoactive agents.
I believe it's in the book of Romans.
I could be wrong.
Where Paul talks about negatively this idea of taking drugs and how it could inhibit your pursuit of the Lord.
Right.
When you were doing weed, were you fully human?
Doing the weed.
Yeah, or doing weed.
Smoking?
Whatever.
Well, I mean, you can ingest it too.
I don't know.
I feel like this is an episode off The Office or something.
You could eat it.
It could be an edible, right?
Yes, you could.
I'm sorry.
So when you were smoking weed, I've never done weed.
I'm glad.
No, that's not true.
No, that's not true.
I did a podcast with Bill Maher and he had a blunt in front of me the entire time.
Oh my gosh.
Five of them.
And I think I got secondhand.
For sure.
How'd you feel after that?
Super hungry and paranoid.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, that's a great side effect of weed.
So doing the weed.
I was very chill throughout the entire podcast, interestingly.
But no, and I was super paranoid afterwards.
So when you were smoking weed, do you feel as if you were fully human?
Gosh, no.
It made me feel like I could work out harder and I felt nothing.
Like, I was invincible.
Because, like, you know, people, things could happen in my life and I would not care at all.
I had no care at all about people, about, like, the decisions I was making.
My own feelings were so just drained out of me.
You know, I just, I did not care about anything.
I did whatever I wanted and that was it.
So I'm glad you said that.
So I have two opinions where the comment section disagrees with me.
Okay.
And that is my support of Israel, which we're not going to talk about, but it's also weed.
I'm very much against weed, marijuana, culture.
Talk about that.
I mean, this generation thinks it's fine.
It's good for you.
Well, you know what the biggest excuse I hear is, well, then why did God make weed?
I said, God made the plant.
Man made it into a drug.
Okay.
Right.
Like, we don't turn palm trees into drugs.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't think it is, but you know what I'm saying?
You know, I'm just saying, God made it initially a beautiful thing, and we corrupted it.
Yeah, I'm like, I'm not gonna eat a cactus.
Like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm like, what does that have to do with anything?
There's lots of things out there that give you a reaction.
Some are very poisonous, you know what I'm saying?
But we just so happens not to be.
But we've abused things time and time and time again.
Okay, think about it like this.
God made cows.
We made McDonald's.
You know what I'm saying?
Something poisonous.
And I hope not to offend the audience here, but look at modern America now.
We're so strung out on anything we can get our hands on.
It's like we always want to be numb.
We want to feel something other than normal.
And then they complain about, oh, I just want to be normal.
I want a normal life.
But you don't even know what baseline is.
Totally.
And so I speak out against the use of weed a lot.
I do too now.
I really do.
I'm glad you do because your voice is obviously, I mean, I have one secondhand experience.
You actually have, you know, multiple years.
Seven years.
Yes.
Yeah.
Are you happier?
Yes, I sleep better.
But everyone says, I need it, I can't sleep.
Oh, I felt that for a very long time.
Was that a lie?
So, it depends.
There's different strands of the marijuanas, you know, so the weeds.
There is, like, there's one that's called an indica, which is, like, a very heavy, like, they call it, like, the nighttime weed, you know, because it relaxes you.
You feel very chill.
You're like a couch potato on it.
There's sativa, which is your daytime weed, which is like, it's kind of an upper, you know what I'm saying?
You don't get too high off of it unless you're smoking mass amounts of it.
But I used to be so religious on smoking sativa in the morning, hybrids during the afternoon, and then a nice indica at night, you know, because your body's like functioning off of that.
I was like even taking Adderall.
So like it's like an upper and a downer made me feel like crazy, like a crackhead actually.
So it's just anything to do the content and get it over with.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
And so the consumption or the use of marijuana is so normalized.
With this generation.
Yeah.
So alcoholism is actually down dramatically.
That's good.
With Gen Z. That's great.
Why do you think that is?
Well, because they're doing weed.
They're smoking weed.
So I mean, like, so there's, that's just, one is offsetting the other.
Or I notice a lot with our, this new generation is everyone's saying they have anxiety, they have depression, and they're taking pills for it, which I don't think you can drink on those kinds of pills.
No, you should not drink on benzodiazepines or Zoloft.
That's a bad idea.
Don't do that.
So the...
You're happier?
I am very happy.
I'm not saying that life is just good now.
It's been very hard, very difficult making these transitions because the biggest thing that God cares about is your heart.
My heart was very damaged.
I went through a lot of trauma throughout my childhood, teenage years, early 20s, and now I'm here.
You know, I don't have a good father in my life.
I don't even have a good mother.
I'm not great in communication with my siblings.
Life is hard.
I deal with a lot of issues, but...
I find joy in my life now.
Happiness is fading, but joy is forever through Christ.
While you were on OnlyFans, did you have any external relationships with men?
Non-digital?
Absolutely.
Okay.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I knew a lot.
There were so many men in my industry.
Not even people who produced- No, I mean romantic.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
They were on OnlyFans though.
They were male OnlyFans creators.
Yes.
And they were producing content for other men?
Yes.
Okay.
Because again, women don't buy porn.
They just don't.
It's very rare.
It's like 2-3%.
Yes.
So yeah, they were producing, they were like gay baiting it's called.
What is gay baiting?
Oh, gosh.
Gay baiting is basically when you act gay in front of a camera to...
They're not actually gay.
Is there a lot of money in that?
There's more money than they would make as a just straight creator.
Men do not make money if they're just with a girl on OnlyFans.
Girls aren't buying their porn.
They're just not.
You know what I'm saying?
And if guys want to see that girl, she has an OnlyFans.
So they'll just go to the girl.
Wow.
So a lot of guys slipped into being homosexual but not actually being homosexual.
You can imagine the damage done.
So I saw that so much and it was actually very disgusting and disturbing.
What percentage of OnlyFan creators are men that are gay dating, would you say?
20%?
I wouldn't even know.
Probably, maybe.
It's not a huge, huge amount.
But most of these guys are actually like escorts, I noticed.
From maybe Las Vegas or something like that.
They're escorting on the side.
They're like sugar babies.
And then they just fall into OnlyFans.
Or they're actually from the porn world where they were actually just having male-female scenes.
They're not making the kind of money they do on OnlyFans.
And they quit that just to do OnlyFans.
So, a more, like, let's just say legal or governmental or political question.
Do you think we should make it harder to consume porn in this country?
Like, I really want to say yes.
But, like, I know it's still going to happen.
I do think there has to be limits put on it.
Right now, it's just, like, open zoo time.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, you can just do whatever with whoever.
I mean, I think it needs to start with even simpler things without just a straight ban.
Yes, that needs to come.
But starting with like STD checking on OnlyFans.
Nobody gets STD checked on OnlyFans.
So you can imagine it's a Petri dish.
I don't know.
OnlyFans doesn't.
So starting with small things would go a very long way to stop.
I mean, that wouldn't stop things, but it would create a safer environment.
Not that we're supporting that, but you know what I'm saying?
Like little steps to need to be taken before that's just actual ban.
Because people, what I've noticed is that like when TikTok was going down, other sites just popped up all around.
OnlyFans was banned another.
It would happen regardless.
People tend to revolt.
They think it's their, like, God-given right to be able to masturbate.
And it's like, you don't even realize, you call it a freedom, but it's really just enchaining you in prison.
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You are tied.
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So I didn't quite realize this, but maybe I'm misunderstanding.
When you were producing content, were there also men involved or was it just yourself?
No, men involved.
Really?
Yes.
Okay, how typical is that?
Very normal.
Oh, it happens like all the time.
The stereotype of OnlyFans that it's just a woman, you know, doing...
Some women, you know, but the majority of women are having sex with their significant other.
A lot of women actually on OnlyFans are married.
And they'll do, they have a very non-monogamous relationship.
Evidently.
So they just sleep around all the time.
They go to content houses, share their husbands with other women.
I see it all the time.
All the time.
All the time.
Are you seeking to try to communicate to the former friends that are OnlyFans to encourage them?
I already am.
And how is that going?
Both sides of the scale.
I have yet to see one full conversion yet, though.
Why do you think that is?
It's hard when you don't have a good community.
I had Jordan, my husband.
I had his mom, who was like an angel, who helped me get out and stay out.
What did you tell me about her?
My mother-in-law?
Yeah, I mean, you said she's an angel.
Oh, she's an angel.
So she, like, was fasting and praying over my conversion.
She was the one who coached me in modesty.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, so many things.
She was there for me when I called her, and she was so kind and loving towards me.
Like, such a, I felt like such a broken person coming out of the industry.
And I'm like, who would love me after what I've done?
Like, do you know how many women on the outside of OnlyFans like women like me?
Hardly any.
You know what I'm saying?
Because most of the time, their men are watching me or my friends online.
You know what I'm saying?
So it's a really hard reality.
Yeah, that's my mother-in-law.
She's just a perfect angel, truly.
And so she helped me.
But when women don't have a support system like that, it's so hard to get out.
It is so hard to get out because now you're going into complete nothingness, complete unawareness.
You don't have a church community.
You don't have good friends helping, guiding you, helping you with accountability.
It's difficult.
And yes, I could help you with that, but I'm still online.
I can give you my phone number, but other than that, I'm not in your state or we're not regularly meeting up.
You know what I'm saying?
So I've tried so hard in talking to women, not just texting, but actually having FaceTime.
I know you're afraid of financial struggle, but this is what God says about that.
And this is what God has done in my life.
So you don't need to be scared about anything.
You have the power to leave.
You cannot stay in this forever.
And the devil wants to keep you tied down in that.
I've had so many conversations.
I've sent girls books to read just as like little helpers.
There's only so much I can do.
I can't force them.
Yes.
Praying is a wonderful tool.
And if they see you married happily and God willing with kids in the future, there's a very, very high suicide rate of people in the porn industry.
Very, very high.
I had a lot of friends commit suicide.
Seriously.
Absolutely.
One of them killed her boyfriend.
She was a huge raging drug addict, and she just stabbed her boyfriend, almost husband, in the heart.
Just one randomly.
I had literally done content with this woman.
And the scriptures are very clear, but you cannot indulge this much in the flesh and not have other sins come to the surface.
It is the primary gateway that the enemy comes after you, is sins of the flesh.
So modesty coaching.
What is that?
Okay.
So, you know, all right.
It starts like a day at a time, you know?
So I would go to my husband and be like, I'm going through my Instagram at the time, like deleting things.
I was like, what do you think about this?
Honestly, as a man, what do you think?
Because I trust myself, but I don't trust myself that much to be, you know, like completely right about.
What's on my Instagram?
What's on my social media pages?
If it's too revealing, if it's too promiscuous, if it's borderline, I don't want it on there.
So she and him really helped me with like, okay, this might not be that appropriate.
You know, you're wearing clothes, but the face you're making is kind of like sexually insinuative.
You know what I'm saying?
So let's get that off.
You know what I'm saying?
It was really helpful.
Did anyone ever do that for you before?
No.
Your mom did not?
My mom was just very controlling in like what I wore.
I think that was a huge rebellion for me, too.
Like, she directed my life as to, like, what I wore, how much makeup I wore, stuff like that.
And it felt so caging.
I got so angry as a teenager about that.
I was like, why are you controlling my entire life?
How long I work?
What car I get?
Like, I was just so upset.
Have you reconciled with your mom?
I've really tried.
It's not that she's not open to it, but it's just our life has been separate for the last, like, four or five years.
Well, you have to honor your parents, so keep trying.
I do.
It's hard.
And I'm trying.
There's a reason why it's a commandment.
That's very true.
God would not have to command you if it was easy.
And just be normal.
Yeah, that's true.
It is very difficult.
It's good for you and good for her.
Yeah.
And I'm really loving both of us are trying.
Good.
And that's a great start.
That's all that matters.
You know, she's getting therapy.
I'm getting therapy.
It's awesome.
Again, so this is very important is that it does not say you have to be your parents' best friend.
No.
To honor literally means just to treat heavily with a lot of respect.
With a lot of understanding.
Yeah.
It's kind of hard to treat my dad that way.
Well, no, and that's a big deal, right?
So it's like, for me, it's kind of hard to understand how to honor him.
You are in the sub 1%, and I get this from Dennis Prager.
Most people are not in your position.
Most people do not have dads that are facing life sentences in jail, right?
That were former pastors.
You are definitely in the sub 1%, okay?
The majority actually have a case that you have with your mom, where it's like, we don't quite get along.
Yeah.
That is not a good reason to sever ties for the rest of your life.
And you're not.
Your father is a separate situation.
I do.
Sometimes I'll just tell God, like, God, I honestly can't pray for him, but I know he's in your hands.
It's very painful.
And I don't even have a good answer to that.
It's very painful.
And honoring your parents does not mean That is not the teaching.
But instead, what we have, and we see it, obviously, so many kids disconnect with their parents because they're like, oh, I don't know.
They're just like, they don't agree with me.
They don't agree with me.
It's like, no, no, no.
And remember, it's the only commandment that comes with a promise and involves your country.
Honor your mother and father so that you may live long in the land of which you are in.
So the modesty in coaching is very interesting.
I want to stay on that for a second.
It's important for women transitioning out of anything or men.
It's like when you go to a drug rehab, what do they do?
They're coaching you.
You're going through therapy.
You're taking other medications to get off the thing that you were addicted to.
I was addicted to dressing promiscuously because of the attention I got.
So when you walked into a bar and you dressed promiscuously, would you kind of get extra energy?
Feeling of self-worth when you saw men look at you a certain way?
Absolutely.
Is that why women dress the way they do?
Absolutely.
Yeah, I feel like women like to know that their options are open.
You know, like you got multiple men kind of looking at you up and down like, oh, I got options.
You know what I'm saying?
Our dating generation is horrible right now.
Is that rooted in insecurity?
Truly.
More for women than I think it is men.
I don't know.
Definitely men deal with insecurity and I can't speak for them, but I know for a fact as a woman who dressed like that, who acted like that, it is deeply rooted in insecurity and not being accepted by either a dad or a mom figure or friends or being bullied or molested or raped.
So let me ask, do you think it's proper for any Christian woman to put a picture of themselves in a bikini on their Instagram?
Absolutely not.
Why do they do that?
I mean, if you're a Christian, number one, whether you're married or not, your body's for your husband.
So right there, you should have enough respect not to show that much skin.
So a bikini is a perfect example for me.
When I was on a trip with my husband's parents, she breathed.
I was wearing a bikini.
You know what I'm saying?
We're swimming all day.
And she just very gently and lovingly was like, maybe don't wear those bottoms.
And I was like, okay.
Thank you for telling me.
Like, for in my mind, like, some things are still okay.
You know what I'm saying?
But I need that gentle, loving nudge to be like, listen, this isn't okay anymore.
You don't live in the kingdom of darkness anymore.
You are in the kingdom of light.
You are a representation of Christ.
You know, my body is a temple.
My body belongs to my husband and God.
Amen.
I just, and so I, again, I'm not here to like, I'm not here to, like, judge.
By the way, this actually is about other women, not you.
But, like, I truly – again, I'm not on social media anymore, but, like, people talk and I get pictures.
Why is it that so many people that have Bible verses in their bio and Instagram – Have OnlyFans?
Well, no, that – I see that a lot.
John 316, but here's my OnlyFans.
No, I know.
It's totally like, yeah, go look and make a picture of me.
Here's my cross.
It's like, here's my cross.
Hey.
Like, okay, that's all the time.
Sacrilegious.
Yeah, exactly.
It's like, here's my – subscribe.
No, I mean, that is dark and obviously worthy of, like, super deep psychological examination.
I mean, like, the actual millions of young ladies who, like, you'll have, like, Jeremiah 29.7, you know, God knows the steps I have for you.
And you look at the pictures in their Instagram.
And like, if I was Catholic, I'd go to confession.
Oh.
Like, I mean, it's, you know, it's, this is, this is not, this But yeah, so help me understand.
Holy Spirit.
Okay, so after Jesus ascended back to heaven after his time here on earth, Holy Spirit came.
Holy Spirit is our teacher, our guide, our supporter, but also someone who convicts us.
If we are not being convicted as women about the things that we're saying, the things, how we're addressing, what our conversations look like, are we gossiping, are we drinking too much, you know?
If we are not being convicted, you are not walking close with Christ.
You can proclaim Him all day, but even in the Bible it says there are many that will say, Lord, Lord, but I never knew you.
That is the whole point of it.
If you are not feeling conviction from the Holy Spirit, not guilt, conviction.
Conviction entices change.
So again, at the end of this day, like you're either feeling very insecure, you wanting attention, like you think it's just okay because you see other Christian women doing it, which is a really bad example.
So again, I am trying to be that light, that very different light in the world.
You know, that light that shines brighter than the other smaller lights.
Not because of me, but because of what Christ did in my life.
And if I don't change the very makeup of myself.
You know what I'm saying?
Then nothing's going to happen.
I'm not actually going to be able to influence others towards Christ or be an example at least.
Yeah, no, that, and I just, again, I'm not here to like scorn people.
I just, I see.
I see so much of it too.
And it confuses me.
And then even in the Bible, it talks about being a stumbling block.
You are helping others stumble, either men lusting after you or women being like, oh, she's a Christian.
She dresses like that.
It's okay for me.
And just so you know.
If a man sees that, not only is the respect go down, he only will view you for your flesh.
Absolutely.
And women want to know, why can't I find a husband?
You're not acting like a wife.
Because you're dressing like that.
You're literally a Jezebel trying to be a Ruth.
You're dressing like an OnlyFans model.
No offense.
And so then the man will put you in a different category.
Is the church talking about this?
No.
Why is the church not saying, if you're wearing a bikini, delete it now?
Literally stop.
Stop showing that much skin.
If you're with a friend, that's a separate issue.
I'm putting it on social media.
For other perverts to see, by the way.
Absolutely.
I mean, it's not that there's not perverts in real life, like if you go to the beach.
Of course, but if it's somebody's backyard, it's with all your friends.
Right, right, right.
No one cares, right?
I mean, if you're going to a pool, going to the beach, something like that, or you want to lay out.
I love laying out in the sun.
I'm not near a beach or anything, but I'm not around other people either.
So, cover up.
It's really okay not to show skin.
It's really okay.
And it's so justifying to know that you are saving yourself for your husband, whether you're married or not.
You're saving that.
It's special.
God values you.
You know what I'm saying?
Again, like I said this in another interview, like it's a woman, like a generation full of women who want to be Ruth's, but act like Jezebel's.
You know, you want to be that Proverbs 31 woman, but you're literally half naked all over the internet.
How does that work?
No, I totally thank you for saying that because I've wanted to say that for a while.
So everything she said is exactly right.
And I would be called all these terrible names.
Let me be called those terrible names.
But why are the women of the faith not policing this better?
Because we as men police our own really well.
We're aggressive with standards.
But why are women so accepting of Jezebel-like behavior amongst other Christian women?
I think mainly women hate confrontation.
You know, I think that we have a fear.
I don't.
But we have a fear in general of confronting a woman.
It's a hard conversation to have.
I've had a conversation with a girl who is actually out of the industry and she still dresses immodestly.
And I'm like, I've nudged her on this.
I have prayed for her over this.
I have brought this topic up multiple times to her about, hey, you know, I saw that you were in this bikini on your, like, it looks like a stripper outfit on your TikTok.
Why did you do that?
You know, like, you have a responsibility.
Even though you're not a married woman, you have a responsibility to cover up.
Like, I have no shame in helping other women in that journey.
But again, it's just so many people don't like to make other people feel uncomfortable.
They want to feel good.
They want to feel accepted.
They're people pleasers.
Women mostly are people pleasers.
No, I know.
So that's what's so interesting.
So it's really difficult.
You're right, is that women are really good norm enforcers, right?
So they will follow the ways of the time better than men.
Yeah, very trendy.
So I guess it's like, hey, we're in Christian Bible study and now we're all just going to post revealing pictures of ourselves, I guess.
What did you just learn in group?
Yeah, apparently not.
And that's the other thing.
So like I could tell you amongst like at least masculine Christianity, the message right now is like – Save yourself for marriage.
Yeah, I see that a lot, which is awesome.
Which is great.
But I don't see the equivalent on the female side.
Why is it that men are holding themselves to higher standards right now?
And women, I know you are, but I'm saying generally, I cannot think of a single...
But a single major woman voice in Christianity that doesn't just do the Jesus Loves You sermon every single time I see them talk.
Yeah.
I understand.
I'm trying to understand.
This generation has changed so much.
If you haven't noticed the shift in women's attitudes, it's definitely like, I'm independent.
I don't need a man.
I'm a girl boss.
Everyone can shut up.
I'm just going to do what I want.
There's no accountability being held by parents, by friends, by churches.
I see absolutely no accountability.
It's like women are literally running rampant right now.
But what's crazy to me too is like this whole like trad wife thing is coming back and it's all of a sudden like this big issue.
Like these whores are trying to be trad wives.
I get that all the time.
All the time people call me a whore and that I can't be a trad wife.
How do you respond to that?
Oh, I laugh.
It's hilarious.
It's hilarious.
Where do you get that attitude from?
Oh, I'm such a bubbly person and God has given me so much grace that I cannot not show that grace.
I can't.
Keep going on the trad wife thing.
Okay, so this whole trad wife movement of like whores becoming traditional women.
I'm like, okay, listen, I do not call myself a traditional wife.
I'm not a trad wife.
I'm just a good wife, okay?
I cook for my husband.
I clean sometimes, you know.
I love to take care of my husband.
Like, I love when I give him a plate of food and he's just so smiley and happy.
Oh, I know the feeling.
It brings me so much joy.
So that is what I am.
I'm just a good wife.
It's a big deal.
It is a big deal.
Bigger than modern women realize.
If you have to do takeout many nights a week, it's bad for your marriage.
I'm sorry.
So bad.
I know it sounds provocative.
I see an issue with this generation is because they learn no skills.
This generation of like Gen Z, Gen Alpha, all they know how to do is pick up a phone and post and tag and, you know, My mom.
So that was one good thing.
It was a great thing.
I would never take that away from her.
She showed love in like, you know, showing talent.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, she's like, you need to be good in this, so learn it.
You know, I hated it when I was a kid, but I'm very grateful I actually learned because now I have a husband.
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What percentage of the women at our Women's Summit do you think would benefit from a home ec class?
I think we should do a home ec breakout.
I'm not kidding.
I'm not kidding either.
I think it would be amazing.
We used to have home ec in our middle school.
I took home ec growing up and it was great.
This is why I produce cooking videos on my Instagram.
I'm like, here, here's a simple bread making video.
Six ingredients.
Anybody's got it in their pantry.
Make a bread for your husband.
My husband loves my homemade bread.
That's the patriarchy.
Why would you serve your husband like that?
What do you mean?
It's the patriarchy.
I hate this whole movement.
I hate it so much.
I don't know.
I just feel like redemption is not a thing for people if you really don't believe in it.
But redemption is such a real thing.
Change can happen.
I'm being sarcastic.
I know you are.
It just really reflects on me.
How would you ever serve your husband is like a narrative.
Right.
Because I'm a boss babe.
I don't need a husband.
I don't need a provider.
Facts.
It's an honor to serve my husband.
Honor.
I love him dearly.
And he has, he introduced me to Christ.
Like, man, it's just.
Yes, someday.
Not right now.
I'm really happy just me and him.
I really am happy.
That's beautiful.
So I have a difficult question when it comes to kids.
Okay.
About my past.
No, I'm sure people have asked you about this, but I'm going to ask it gently, right?
How are you going to introduce your kids to your past?
I'm never going to lie.
I feel like in the very beginning, I don't have it all figured out.
In the beginning stages of their life, I feel like I will be very graceful, not super open, open about it, but I would love to sit down with them and have that conversation.
But that conversation will only lead into, and this is my transition story.
How will you tell it?
In the best possible way.
And if you don't know, that's fine.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Yes.
And I'm praying over them heavily.
I pray over my future children so much.
I can't believe it.
Like, their futures, their minds.
I ask God to protect their hearts, their minds, everything that they're going to go through, that there would be no person in their life that would just, out of pure evil, show them.
Anything.
So I hope the younger audience knows this very self-evidently.
The older audience probably hasn't thought about this.
What you did online still lives.
Yep, unfortunately.
And I'm not trying to throw that in your face.
No, no, no.
I just want to make sure everyone understands that this is a very real thing.
It's a repercussion.
You just do it for a period of time and then you get away from it.
And then it's gone.
No.
There's a serious heaviness to that.
Oh, it's a terrible heaviness.
And only Jesus can release you from that.
Otherwise, you would live in this constant state of shame and guilt, right?
How do you process that?
In the beginning, it was super hard.
It was more so hard.
When my husband started getting sent my old content, that was so hard.
How did he deal with that?
You know, he went through a very rough time with it.
Who wouldn't?
Yeah, of course.
That's your wife.
That's someone that you love and respect and honor, and then she's being shown in such a terrible light, you know, for her bad choices.
It was like people just continuously brought up my sin, you know, and I'm like, I understand that, but God has forgiven me.
You know, it's a very real issue.
It will never, ever go away.
Now, I really pray that in some time in the future that, you know, You know what I'm saying?
Of course.
And we're actually making strides towards that on a federal level.
Yes, I've seen a lot of that.
That's revenge porn, but you didn't do revenge porn, right?
And so there's no law against that.
Interestingly, there would be, you know what, a redemption porn law would be an interesting law.
It would be very hard to pass.
That's true.
It would be very hard to pass, which would be if somebody retires and they no longer give them rights that they can't.
Use that continent.
Yeah, but a lot of people are making money off of me right now.
No, that's what I'm saying though is that a potential law could be like after five years of retirement, a porn actress could be like, you're not allowed to spread my continent.
Facts.
That would be hard to pass.
Right.
But it would at least give people some hope that they could digitally escape.
Right, right.
Would that be a good idea potentially?
It would be a good idea.
It would be very hard, which is really sad.
But it's also sad that, you know, we did make the decision to put something on the internet, you know, knowingly, like, understanding.
It lives forever.
It will never go away.
So, yeah, it's a really hard truth.
It's a hard pill to swallow once you're out of the industry.
And so...
Oh, yeah.
The average age of, unfortunately, young boys and young girls losing their virginity is like 14, I think.
Yeah.
14, 15 now.
Yeah.
And parents should know that.
Parents, I feel like, love to be just— Oh, no.
The parents, you're being lied to by your kids, by the way.
Absolutely.
Your sons are watching porn.
Your girls are hooking up with other guys.
Their girls are showing everything in text messages.
And if you think you know, I don't want to try to make you paranoid.
You probably don't.
Would you agree?
Like, there's a lot of deceitful kids.
Oh, I did that when my parents had no idea.
Yeah, so talk about that.
Well, so I had a boyfriend at the time of like 16. That was my very first boyfriend ever.
And so I'd already lost my virginity at that point, but I was sexting him, you know, pictures of myself, stuff like that.
I didn't even have internet access, but I was, you know, texting and my parents had no idea.
I'd always delete it right after.
Kids are very sneaky and our technology has just gotten better.
We have more social media platforms like Snapchat where it instantly deletes after.
Why are parents giving these kids phones?
I have no idea.
I'm so against it.
I just, I don't understand it at all.
I had a phone at the age of 16. It was like a flip phone.
You know what I'm saying?
So what year were you born?
1997.
Okay.
So you're four years younger than I am.
Got it.
Okay.
So I grew up without smartphones and it was actually awesome.
It was great.
It's actually, you don't need to know where your kid is at all times.
It's actually really good for you and for the kid to not know where your kid is actually.
It's like really weird actually.
So weird seeing two-year-olds on tablets.
Again, I'm a parent of two kids.
I actually get the paranoia and then you have to resist it and grow up and be like, actually, I don't need to have a live stream of what my kid is doing all day long.
Oh, I will not put my kids on the internet.
I will never show pictures of their faces when I have children.
So this is one of the more simultaneously promising and disturbing things that happens to me.
So I'm walking through.
In Arizona, a mall or a restaurant.
And nine-year-olds are coming up asking for pictures with me.
Okay, awesome, right?
They're fans.
And I'm like, wait, how do you know who I am?
And they're like, oh, because I follow you on social media.
I'm like, how old are you?
I'm nine.
I'm like, this is like really bad.
Such a bad job.
Okay, great.
They're a fan of me.
Terrific.
Yay.
They'll follow me for a lifetime.
Woohoo.
Great.
Why do you have a phone?
Why?
And by the way.
Why do you have internet access?
No, just so we're clear.
If you're following me, I talk about very, very heavy stuff, right?
Yes.
I'm talking about abortion.
I'm talking about, you know.
Right.
Sometimes.
Yes.
I'm talking about like stuff that is like our NC-17 rated stuff.
I do it from a biblical perspective.
Absolutely.
So here's a nine-year-old.
Who, like, in an unregulated way, knows who I am, obviously has seen my content.
What else is that kid watching?
And, like, it's not isolated.
Hundreds of times these 9, 10, 11-year-olds are coming up to me.
Not a parent in sight.
No, the parents have done a terrible job.
Not all parents are like that, but so many now.
In this millennial, Gen Z, mom and dad, like, they're horrible.
All it is about is distracting your kid, distracting your kid.
I actually follow some amazing moms on TikTok that are tablet-free kids.
They literally describe their videos as tablet-free children.
And this is what they do for their kids.
They still don't put your kids on TikTok.
That's still weird.
We don't put our kids' faces on social.
But I think a lot of it is because of views.
They're making money off those videos.
And I'm like, dude, you're literally jeopardizing your child.
The same sort of negativity, I think, towards OnlyFans.
It's fine if you put your pictures in a picture on social media influencer, but if your account is about like your kids, I think that's super weird.
Yeah.
By the way, you know it's illegal to do that, actually.
Like, that kid could sue you.
When he gets older for all of that money.
Because you have to be like, what, 13?
Do you remember that actor's lawsuit that happened in Hollywood like 40 years ago?
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Where there was that child actor and then he sued his parents like 20 years later and he won.
And now parents are not allowed to make money off their kids and has to go into a trust.
Wow.
Do you know?
It's like a whole thing.
It changed Hollywood child acting forever.
Good.
So now these social media parents are making money off their kids.
Just saying, you're going to open up yourself to a slew of lawsuits if those kids...
Well, I mean, because they'll realize that millions of dollars were made.
Wow.
So I want to – what is then – This is great.
So, you want to become a parent.
Yeah.
The state of male-female relations is so broken down.
What do you want to do with your commentary, your life?
You're new at this.
Very new at this.
I don't have one answer.
I really don't.
I'd love to write a book one day encouraging.
You know, I want to be a light.
It would do very well.
Thanks.
I just want to be a light.
I want to...
I want to help others in the darkness.
You know, it doesn't have to just be women on OnlyFans or in the industry, but women now need a wake-up call to the way they're dressing and acting and speaking and the way they treat their husbands.
Like, I see some of the most cringeworthy TikToks about how women just hate their husbands because they do this or this.
And I'm like, dude, whatever happened to having, like, such, like, a one flesh, one mind, one body?
Like, relationship with your husband.
Like, why do you go on the internet to then, like, spew all this darkness about your partner?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I just, our generation is so sad.
Like, we're all seeking after validation in, like, any way possible we can get it.
And it's all about views and likes and, you know, who's the best, who makes more money.
It's just so not about that.
Like I would love...
That is the dream, right?
It is a dream.
I don't know if God's calling me to that.
Like, a lot of my haters actually say, you need to disappear.
You need to get off the internet.
Stop speaking.
I'm like, I'm the only one speaking about this.
I actually think you shouldn't do that.
Yeah.
I think you have a very important message right now.
I agree.
And it's only because of Christ.
I would not be here today without that.
And I just have to kind of end with something we said previously.
Again, I've listened to you for an hour 20. I consider myself pretty well informed on this stuff.
What is the objection that people have with you again?
That I'm grifting.
Yeah.
That this is a grift.
Whatever that means.
But maybe I'm missing something fundamental.
I don't think I am.
But I think that Christians that are watching this, if you've participated in the common hating of Nala, you should really think about that, actually.
Because isn't that what the whole gospel is about?
Yeah.
taking people out of a certain lifestyle and bringing them towards truth.
I mean, in John chapter eight, they all wanted to sin.
They all wanted to stone the prostitute, which I wouldn't say you were a prostitute, but you were a, Yeah, okay.
Thank you.
You're a prostitute online.
You know, I wouldn't say you were a physical prostitute, but you were digitally.
Yes.
But like, so everyone kind of wants to stone you.
Jesus stops it, but there's two parts to this teaching.
He says, let the first without sin cast the first stone.
Okay, but there's a second part.
Now go sin no more, right?
Redemption.
Right.
Change.
And you're living that out.
In fact, you want to bring women out of where they are.
We didn't finish the purity question.
So women that are being pressured to have sex when they're uncomfortable, what is your message to them to save themselves from marriage?
Peer pressure is a real drive.
It's pressured me in.
To like porn situations, it's pressured me into showing more than I ever wanted to show doing things I never thought I would be doing.
Peer pressure is a really bad drive.
And I mean, especially with young women, you know, being pressured by boys in school or to feel accepted by their friends.
It's so hard to just reach that one person.
But that validation will never come from having sex out of marriage.
I wish I had a time machine.
I would go back.
And save myself.
This is the most important thing.
I want you to say that almost every woman that I know that had sex before marriage wished they would have waited.
Yes.
I hear it so much.
You know why?
My husband deserved that me.
And I wasn't.
But yeah, he still loves me for me.
And you might not have met him if you didn't do that.
Not to say that it was...
I agree.
I'm just saying.
But your message to young women out there, people say, I wish I would have, I wish I would have, I wish I would have.
It's a sad truth.
Yes.
It's really hard to look back and be like, man, if I could take it back.
So it's 2025.
Last point.
Three years ago, where were you living?
California.
Were you married?
No.
You were making a ton of money a month.
Yeah.
You were smoking a lot of weed.
A lot of weed.
You were doing a lot of content.
If three years ago, Nala would have watched this interview.
What would she have thought?
I probably would have thought I probably would have been so numbed out and my anxiety would have been through the roof.
Like, who is this person?
I'm married.
What?
The reason I'm asking is only God could have taken you on this path.
Yes.
No man took me out.
Jordan introduced Christ back through his actions.
And the Holy Spirit brought you up.
Yes.
But I would not be here without God.
Was there any moment when the Holy Spirit was whispering to you or convicting you?
Yes.
Yes.
I thought it was just guilt.
I was like, I'm not smoking enough.
I need to smoke.
Something's wrong, you know?
But absolutely, that's why I stopped making content.
I was just like, I just felt weird doing it.
And I'm like, dude, I've never felt weird doing my job.
You know?
Felt very odd.
So yeah, maybe I wasn't hearing, hearing, but I felt it in my heart.
Nala, thank you for your time.
Thank you.
Thank you for being so vulnerable and open.
Of course.
My hope is that for the men out there, you will stop watching porn.
Stop producing.
It's bad for you.
It's bad for civilization.
and it's bad for everybody and for women out there.
Stop.
It can go all the way from posting a suggestive picture on Instagram.
Yep.
Because you are actually part of a problem all the way to something on OnlyFans.
Right.
Would you agree with that?
Women love to complain about how there's no good men out there, but I'm like, you are literally posting half-naked photos.
So what are you good at?
But they think that's what gets them the men.
It's not getting you a husband.
It's getting you boys.
Exactly.
And men will not grow up if they can get sex easily.
