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Wars and Rumors of Wars
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Hey everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show from the Bitcoin Mobile Studio.
Andrew Colvett in for Charlie, who's on assignment today.
We talk about the drums of war beating loudly in Washington and in Jerusalem as it appears that a strike against Iran could be imminent.
And what would that mean for the country?
Pray for peace, everybody.
We have Jack Posobiec.
We break down the situation, what we know currently.
And we have Chip Roy in to respond to the riots in Los Angeles, what that could mean for Texas.
Why are Democrats always on the losing side of 60, 40, 70, 30, 80, 20 issues?
And we talk about the prospects of the big, beautiful bill.
And then I give you my summation, my take on the Iranian conflict.
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Hey everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Andrew Colvett in for the one and only Charlie Kirk.
Charlie's on assignment today.
Lots of news happening.
I would be remiss if we didn't mention the victims of the Air India crash.
787-8 Dreamliner Boeing crashed immediately after takeoff.
It was headed to London.
242 people were aboard.
52 British nationals.
It looks like there may have been one lone survivor.
Some of the reports are mixed there, but our hearts and our prayers do go out to the victims of that tragedy.
Absolutely incredible story if that is ultimately confirmed of the one lone survivor.
We're hearing reports that he jumped out of an exit door.
He was seated toward the front.
Truly remarkable if it ends up getting confirmed.
So our hearts and prayers go out to him.
To the victims and all their families headed to London.
Pretty remarkable.
I do want to get to, I believe, what is the main story right now.
Trump is in the Oval Office.
He has just signed three pieces of three House resolutions banning the EV mandate out of California.
The main news is, of course, the developments in the Middle East.
I wanted to bring in Jack Posobiec.
He is the host of Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec on Real America's Voice.
Jack, welcome to the show.
There's so much to unpack here with what's going on in Iran.
I mean, it started yesterday.
We were getting reports that embassy staff, non-essential personnel out of Bahrain, Baghdad, Kuwait were getting moved out, evacuated essentially out of the region.
Drums of War certainly seem to be beating Jack Posobiec.
What is the latest out of the Middle East?
Look, you know, as a prior Navy intelligence officer, when things like this go down, it's obviously something that my hearts and prayers always go out to any of the U.S. service members, and in many cases their families, and also that includes contractors and their families.
People think that, you know, at these bases that they'll say, okay, and President Trump graciously retweeted me yesterday when I said we have more troops in L.A. than we do in Iraq and Syria right now, which is actually true if you count number by number.
But in the U.S., Military presence that we currently have in the Middle East writ large, that it's actually quite stronger than that.
So we have troops in Kuwait, we have troops in Bahrain, we have troops in Qatar, the UAE, we have troops in Jordan, we have troops in Saudi.
We do obviously have troops in Iraq and Syria still, though not as many as during the active combat operations.
Turkey, Djibouti, and all across our naval task forces, including the USS Harry Truman, the USS Carl Vinson, both aircraft carriers.
Then you've also got those at least six B-2 strategic bombers down at Diego Garcia Air Base.
Now, that's in the Indian Ocean, but because of their long-range capabilities, they have the ability to strike Iran.
They have ability to strike deep into CENTCOM.
They're supporting, could support CENTCOM operations.
That's why a lot of people think that those long-range bombers were placed there.
So what we're seeing is this drumbeat of...
NBC reporting that Israel is planning to take strikes on Iran with potentially the backing of the United States and the U.S. doesn't directly take part in them.
though of course the question is if iran were to retaliate there is all these targets and all of this u.s equipment personnel in the region the other side is And Steve Witkoff currently is also set to continue his meetings with the Iranians later this weekend.
That's going to be in Oman.
And Oman has confirmed that the next round of U.S.-Iran nuclear talks will take place, looks like this Sunday.
So either a strike is imminent from Israel.
Israel is signaling to the United States and to the world that it wants to move forward.
President Trump, to his credit on this, has rebuffed Israel.
Actually, he did it in April, once again in May.
What is the urgency here, though, Jack?
I mean, there's reports that Iran may already have enough nuclear fuel material to create 10. Those are the reports that we're hearing.
Is there any other indication that we know what's forcing this urgency from Israel?
Well, those reports have been coming out for quite some time, but the IC assessment has still and does remain that the program for enriching that nuclear capacity towards weaponized uranium and weaponized nuclear material has been ceased.
And that has been the IC assessment for years at this point.
And obviously, this being the real question of the debates and these discussions in the negotiations themselves, the diplomacy is all about this.
In fact, the Guardian had a piece a couple of weeks ago that there was an idea floated by, and it wasn't clear if the US floated it or Iran floated it directly, that perhaps, as we know, there are Negotiations concurrently happening with Russia vis-a-vis Ukraine.
So the question is that if it were the Russians, who, of course, as people know the history, were the ones who came in and finished the building of that Bushir nuclear power plant in Iran, that perhaps the Russians could be the ones to come in and become the guarantors.
That this enrichment, which is something that Obama never got, Obama never had any of this, and his was certainly not a permanent agreement at all, that perhaps it was something that the U.S. and Russia could work on together to triangulate on Iran, because, of course, they would not have a nuclear program were it not for the Russians.
You tie that piece to the Ukrainian negotiations at the same time, and this presents Trump and Witkoff perhaps with a grand strategy that they're working on.
And so this pressure that's being put on this essentially is because Iran has been degraded.
They just lost Syria.
They lost a key ally, of course, in Assad.
The Shia militia groups have really been drawn down there.
And so the idea is that because they are in a degraded state, because their losses, Hamas, Hezbollah, et cetera, losses that have gone on over the past year, that perhaps they wouldn't be able to strike back with the force that they normally would be able to bring to bear, say, 12 months ago.
Yeah, I mean, Hezbollah and Hamas obviously have been massively degraded, and that was oftentimes the levers that the Iranians would pull to exert casualties, damages against Israel.
I want to play this clip from President Trump.
He went on with Miranda Devine, and he's definitely signaling more negativity as opposed to positivity.
Now, again, he rebuffed Benjamin Netanyahu's request for assistance in April and May because negotiations were ongoing.
He felt that there was positive momentum.
Let's go ahead and play 476.
They're not going to have a nuclear weapon, so it's not going to matter from that standpoint.
But it would be nicer to do it without warfare, without people dying.
It's so much nicer to do it.
But I don't think I see the same level of integrity I think they would make a mistake, but we'll see.
I guess time will tell.
And again, Jack Posobiec last night at the Kennedy Center, he was asked about Iran.
Similar tone, 468.
Could you provide an update on Iran?
We're hearing reports that U.S. personnel are being moved out of the region within striking distance.
Well, they are being moved out because it could be a dangerous place, and we'll see what happens.
But they are, and we've given notice.
Is there anything that could be done to dial the temperature down in the region?
They can't have a nuclear weapon.
Very simply.
They can't have a nuclear weapon.
We're not going to allow that.
So Trump is saying they can't have a nuclear weapon.
This is what Bibi Netanyahu's been saying, Israel's been saying.
There is a push in this.
They believe, Israel believes, according to reports, that there is a limited window where Iran is still vulnerable and these nuclear...
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So Jack, I have really two questions.
Do you believe that the U.S. is going to be involved in these?
Airstrikes, is there an option where Israel goes it alone?
And secondly, and it's a bigger conversation, but is MAGA behind this?
Is Trump's base of support going to be behind something as kinetic as an active military operation against Iran?
Well, Andrew, essentially what you're talking about here is a proxy war, and this would be viewed in the Middle East largely as a proxy war, the same way that Ukraine is currently viewed as a proxy war between the U.S. and Russia.
This is why negotiations directly between Ukraine and Russia have stalled out, because everyone knows that it's really the U.S. that's been supporting Ukraine all this time, and that's why it's not going to end until we've seen the negotiations stall.
We try to go to Zelensky, Zelensky tries to go to Russia.
It always falls apart.
Because everyone knows it's got to come down between Trump and Putin for that negotiation to end.
Because it is a proxy war.
It was not started by President Trump, but it certainly is a proxy war nonetheless.
This would also, I believe, be viewed in the same lens as a proxy war with Israel acting as that proxy and then creating a situation where the U.S. would be blamed.
The only difference being, of course, that the U.S. has so many forces that are directly, as I just outlined, Now, you've also got the massive other corollary of the price of oil.
The opening days of the Ukraine-Russia war, well, and the U.S. at that time barely bought any oil from Russia, certainly still doesn't.
Right now, J.P. Morgan is projecting that the price of oil would double, of a barrel of oil would double if an Iraq war, or excuse me, an Iran war would break out, potential Strait of Hormuz closure, where 20% of the world's oil flows through the Persian Gulf.
So this is something where, look, when it comes to MAGA, I think that even if we weren't necessarily the ones who were conducting the strikes, I think that the United States would still kind of be on the hook for the bill.
And that's where MAGA would come in because when people voted in 2024, one of the biggest rallying cries of 2024 was no new wars.
There would be no new wars, no World War III, that we would not be pushing for these conflicts, that we would be stepping back from this and pushing negotiations.
That's Whitcoff.
That's been Trump.
That's been the peace agenda.
And Trump has always signaled that he wants his legacy to be this peace legacy.
Yeah, I agree with you, Jack.
I think you put it really well that MAGA is going to see this as America getting foot with the bill, even if we're not the ones pushing for it, even if Trump has been rebuffing Bibi Netanyahu's push to strike Iran.
Now, this was breaking from Axios in the last 20 minutes here, Jack.
White House envoy Steve Witkoff privately warned top Senate Republicans last week that Iran could unleash a mass casualty response if Israel bombs their nuclear facilities.
Apparently, Iran has shot missiles at Israel in the relatively recent past.
I think it was last year in response.
These are actually pretty sophisticated missiles.
They have 2,000 ballistic missiles.
And Steve Whitcoff said in a speech on Wednesday in New York, it's as big of an existential threat for Israel as Iran's nuclear capabilities.
Jack, final word, 30 seconds.
Iran is not the Taliban.
Iran has a serious military, has the ability to threaten Israel, has the ability to respond.
And certainly, if you are supportive of Israel, if you're supportive of peace, and I think nobody wants Iran to have this nuclear weapon.
And that's why I back the agenda that President Trump stood for when he was on all of those rallies in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan saying no new wars.
Yeah, pray for peace, no new wars.
Very scary situation out of the Middle East.
Jack Posobiec, Human Events Daily.
Check it out.
Thanks for making the time, Jack.
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Representative Chip Roy, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Honored to have you, sir.
Good to be on.
I hope you're doing well.
Yeah, we're doing all right.
There's a lot of news right now.
The reason that we wanted to have you on...
We've been talking about Iran.
It seems like the drums of war are beating.
President Trump was just asked about it from the White House.
Is an attack imminent?
He was just asked.
He said, well, I don't want to say it was imminent, but it's certainly a possibility.
Chip Roy, just your initial response to what's happening in the Middle East and what should President Trump supporters, conservatives, what should we make of it?
Well, first of all, the president is exactly right in what he just said, and I certainly personally believe we cannot allow Iran to get nuclear capability.
I fundamentally disagree with some of the people here in this country who I think, I don't know whether you want to call them isolationists or what, I don't believe in all of those labels.
What I know is we need to defend our interests, and our interests are certainly very much intertwined with the idea that Iran should not have nuclear capability.
It would be massively destructive to peace and stability, not just to the Middle East, but to the entire world, including our own safety and security here in this country.
We know that.
The leadership of Iran is radicalized.
They certainly have no love for the United States of America.
They are our enemies.
We know this.
So I think the president is exactly right.
And by the way, he has given every peaceful path.
Maybe to a fault, I say respectfully, has given every peaceful path for Iran to try to take.
I think some of us would say, well, maybe even opening the door to an agreement that maybe isn't strong enough or aggressive enough.
But bottom line is, he's certainly been trying because he's a president who understands we don't need to be in forever wars.
We don't need to be in forever conflicts and endless wars like we were for the first two decades of this century.
But we do need to send a loud signal.
By the way, do I think Israel is going to act?
But you know what?
Israel has acted before.
I think in like 82 and maybe in 07, they've had strikes to take out nuclear capability, whether it was Syria or otherwise.
And that didn't trigger World War III.
Israel has a right to defend itself and ensure that they're not going to have nuclear capability in Iran.
And the United States, we have to defend our interests as well.
Pete Hex said it well.
Israel has their right to do what they think is correct.
We need to defend our interests, and we will continue to engage.
And I think the president is correct to do so.
Yeah, and apparently one of the big roadblocks, Congressman, is Iran's saber-rattling.
They're saying, in that case, America will have to leave the region because all of its bases are within our reach.
We have access to them, and without hesitation, we will target all of them in the host countries, the minister told Iranian press.
So, I mean, they're, they were actively saber rattling that being said, Steve Woodcoff is still planning to be in Oman on Sunday to continue to be the sixth round of peace talks with representatives from Iran.
You know, the issue here is that even if Israel goes it alone— I mean, we're going to be embroiled in this conflict.
I heard Trump this morning from the White House.
You can see his eyes on oil prices.
There's some predictions that oil prices could double because so much of the world's oil is going through that region.
You know, is there support within Capitol Hill, Congressman, for – Or is it, I mean, Trump seems to be sounding the no nuclear fuel, no capacity at all.
That's his line.
Yeah, I agree with the president.
I certainly think there are large quarters in Congress that fully agree with the president.
Again, this is a president.
Who has tried to seek peace in every path, whether you're dealing with Ukraine and Russia, whether, as he pointed out, you're dealing with India and Pakistan, now here with Israel and Iran.
And again, I would argue, and I mean it respectfully and frankly giving in praise, he has been trying maybe to a fault to give exit ramps to Iran.
But at the end of the day, a nuclearized Iran, And not just vicariously because they're putting Israel at peril.
They put us in peril.
There are massive numbers of people in Iran, but particularly in their leadership.
There are a lot of people in Iran who don't like their leadership.
They want freedom.
They'd love to have, you know, the Iran of 1979 and previously.
And God bless them.
Now you get a lot of Iranian Americans who, you know, they're just dying for Iran to be, you know, brought back again and out of this crazy leadership.
But they do have crazy leadership and they do have people there in charge of hating our country and want to do us harm.
The U.S. is Satan.
We would be completely irresponsible.
Congressman, I want to turn our attention to some breaking news out of your home state of Texas.
Is in the process of deploying 5,000 National Guard soldiers and 2,000 state troopers across Texas to maintain order.
This is ahead of, obviously, the No Kings protest that is planned for the weekend.
What's going on in Texas?
I mean, I think a lot of us are a little surprised that Texas would have similar problems, what we've seen in Los Angeles.
What's the update on the ground?
What can we expect?
Well, look, Texas is a great state.
We have leadership that isn't going to tolerate the kind of garbage that we're seeing in California.
But yes, we're a state of 30 million plus people.
Radical progressives who are being fueled by the same people who are being fueled in California.
And you've got people that are throwing all of this into it to try to destabilize and create chaos.
We're seeing it in San Antonio, which I represent.
We're seeing it throughout the state.
The governor's activating the National Guard to get in front of this ahead of time.
And he's right to do that.
We're a law and order state and we shouldn't tolerate it.
We acted swiftly at universities when they were destabilizing all that stuff with respect to Palestine, endangering our Jewish students and others.
And we acted swiftly there.
We should act swiftly now.
Like, this stuff is crazy.
You can't allow this to happen in a country that depends on the rule of law in order for us to be able to advance and prosper.
By the way, the reason so many people want to come to the United States is because we historically have defended the rule of law.
Cities burning is not the rule of law.
The fact is, the president and his people are doing the right thing to try to remove these dangerous people that were released into our country by Biden.
But not just that.
Literally millions in violation of our law under parole and asylum that are then using resources, using up our law enforcement, using up hospitals, filling our schools.
And we've got to have a pause.
We've got to remove a large number of people.
And that's what ICE is doing.
And there's no apologies on this, right?
We're either a sovereign nation or not.
And so if these guys want to pick this fight, they're picking the wrong fight.
The president is correct to do this.
The governor is correct to make sure we've got National Guard pulled out.
Our law enforcement need to act.
And by the way, a message to San Antonio, which I represent and others, you know, you need to step up.
The city of San Antonio, the city of Dallas, city of Boston, city of Fort Worth, Houston, they need to step up, even though they have more liberal leadership.
We do not tolerate lawlessness in the state of Texas.
And so I'm good for the governor for engaging.
Yeah, I mean, I completely agree.
If they can pull this off in Texas, Congressman, it's going to send a terrible message across the country, and the blue cities are going to burn even more.
Somehow, your colleagues in the House, your Democratic colleagues, they keep finding themselves on the wrong side of 60-40, 70-30, 80-20 issues.
Seems like they're doing it again.
Let's go ahead and play your colleague, Rep.
Yvette Clark, 405.
We still don't know the full consequences of this unprecedented authoritarian overreach.
But let me be clear.
Congressional Democrats stand in full solidarity with the residents of Los Angeles, with our immigrant sisters and brothers, and with the peaceful protesters who dare to speak out and who will support every effort to oppose this president's abuse of power.
So Democrats are drawing the line in the sand.
They're standing in solidarity with the immigrants.
Now, I have a question for you, Congressman.
If somebody breaks into the country, is that how you would define an immigrant?
Well, notice she used the word resident.
She certainly doesn't care about citizenship or legal status that is actually earned through the proper channels of law.
Let's remember that it was the Biden administration and the radical Democrats in Congress.
Who were using wrongly and illegally, in my view, a bastardized version of asylum and parole, which were put in there to be very technical, small ways for people to come to this country if they can make the case that there's an exclusion, that they should come here.
And they categorically released millions of people into the United States.
That was in violation of our law, which means those people do not have legitimate status here.
Okay, that's just the truth.
And so we've got to deal with that reality.
Democrats are, of course, on the wrong side of this, but let's be very clear.
They're sending a really loud signal because they're picking a fight even on the criminals.
They're not just picking a fight on the person who is here who isn't a dangerous criminal that was released into our country wrongly and illegally using public welfare benefits, raising our costs, and so forth.
They're not picking that more, I guess, sympathetic.
They're literally picking a fight on lawless criminals, like the guy in Maryland, like others, like this guy in Colorado that they're trying to defend.
That tells you where they're coming from.
They do not believe in sovereignty.
They do not believe in the rule of law.
And we see that on polling daily.
So, Congressman...
You ended up being a yes vote.
I think you did that in good faith.
I know you did it through grit teeth.
Everything that you're seeing, I think, in Los Angeles, around the country, is galvanizing the base around getting the big, beautiful bill passed through the Senate.
Are you optimistic that it's going to be improved in the Senate before it gets...
Not unless the president is successful in getting the Senate to understand that the House is the baseline and they need to improve it.
If they backslide on the green new subsidies, green new scam subsidies, they backslide on the Medicaid work requirements, they backslide on the spending restraint that got us to at least sort of believing that it would be deficit neutral.
I said that through grit teeth, like you said.
It's got to change.
And so right now, I have some real concerns.
The Senate needs to get it right.
God bless you, Congressman.
You've been doing hero's work.
We'll talk to you soon.
Thanks so much.
Thanks, guys.
Appreciate it.
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So let's just talk about the Iran situation.
We get it.
Iran wants death to Israel.
They're threatening American military personnel within the region.
That's why we have moved people out of Iran, out of Bahrain, rather, Kuwait.
Baghdad, non-essential military personnel, and their families, they're coming out.
Here's the deal.
Trump ran on peace through strength.
Trump is often touting the fact that there's been no new wars, that he defeated ISIS.
We have been hearing from the intel community for decades, it seems like, at least 10 years, maybe longer.
Blake can fact-check me on that.
We have been hearing that They were on the precipice of having a nuclear weapon for a long time.
Now we're hearing that they've made advances and that they have enough fuel to basically create 10 nuclear weapons.
But they do not yet have the ability to militarize them, to deploy them, to actually turn them into bombs.
Literally since the 90s, Blake says, we've been hearing this.
And one of the biggest wins of Trumpism of the MAGA movement has been No new wars.
We have stopped the insanity of death and destruction in the Middle East.
And we, on this show, we're proud supporters of the state of Israel.
We believe they have a right to exist.
But we also believe that some things should be their problem, and not necessarily our problem as well.
And we want to be enthusiastic supporters of their ability to defend themselves, to live in peace.
Where Israel strikes Iran and America is not also embroiled in that conflict.
There is no scenario, let me repeat, where Iran is struck by Israel, even in a precision strike, where America is not also brought into that struggle.
Now let me explain why that's true.
Because even last year when Israel conducted targeted strikes on Iran, Missiles were then shot back at Israel.
Some were intercepted by the Iron Dome.
Others were intercepted by U.S. military.
So if Iran, with its 2,000 ballistic missiles, were to fire those back at Israel, America would be forced to respond in defense of Israel so that we do not have a mass casualty event.
And as Steve Witkoff is now saying, and it's been reported by Axios just moments ago, this represents everything.
Just as big of an existential threat for Israel as Iran's nuclear capabilities.
So one of the big instigating events here is the timing.
Bibi Netanyahu just survived a vote of no confidence, narrowly, in Israel.
So he's got a little bit of a lifeline.
We don't know for how long.
Domestic politics in Israel is what it is.
It's complicated business, just like it is here.
The fear is that since Trump pulled out of the JCPOA in 2018, that they have made massive strides in their nuclear capabilities.
Bibi doesn't know how long he's got left to be in charge.
He staved off this vote of no confidence just recently, but there could be another.
And the other issue is that Iran is creating a lot of these ballistic missiles so much so that they could overwhelm the Iron Dome.
And actually cause a lot of casualties within Israel.
This is a very, very tense situation.
Now, here's the hope.
The hope is that this is all saber-rattling, that this is 3D chess, that Trump is trying to send a message to the Iranians, you better get serious, you better come to the table, you better have your concessions, because this is real.
And I do think it is real.
I do think Israel wants to...
But I think Trump is willing to let a few dominoes fall in hopes that the Sunday talks with Steve Witkoff in Oman go well, and that they realize the Americans and the Israelis mean business.
Peace through strength.
Trump is always prone to saber-rattling.
He's always been willing to rattle the sabers much louder than many other people.
Hopefully this is brinksmanship.
Hopefully this is brinksmanship to bring Iran to the table.
Now, Iran, as Jack Posobiec said earlier in the hour, is not al-Qaeda.
This is a relatively sophisticated military operation that is aided by Russian military sources and technologies.
And we have to hope and pray that we are not embroiled in this.
We don't have the money.
Trump's base does not have the appetite for this.
And there is a desire for Israel to conduct its own affairs without so much of our help.
Now, pray for peace, folks.
Pray for peace.
That's all I can say.
Pray for peace.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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