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Okay, everybody, welcome to The Charlie Kirk Show.
Very exciting guest here today.
Someone that is changing the world.
It is Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong, founder and executive chairman of Immunity Bio and executive chairman of the Los Angeles Times.
Doctor, welcome to the program.
Great to see you.
Thank you, Charlie.
Good seeing you.
So, Doctor, I see you all over the place.
I'm watching the news.
I see you in Saudi Arabia.
I see you in Qatar.
I see you with the President of the United States.
You are a surgeon who has dedicated 50-plus years to researching cancer.
What is your main message about what you have learned that you want the American people to know about cancer?
Well, thank you for that opportunity, Charlie.
I think, you know, I spent 50 years trying to unravel why we haven't won this war.
And it turns out we have the key in our body.
It's called the natural killer cell.
And what has happened is nobody's figured out a way to turn on that natural killer cell in your body because your body is a factory.
God gave us this natural killer cell to kill not only cancer, to kill infection.
And what is exciting, after 30 years of my life, we found the key.
That could unlock this natural killer cell with a jab, which we now call the BioShield.
Tell us more about that.
And then, so, is your main message this, that cancer isn't bad genes or something that's necessarily wrong with mutations, but is it your immune system failing?
That's exactly right.
I think, you know, I was, as you said, I was in Saudi Arabia with the president and I was at Qatar.
And I met with the Saudi Arabian regulatory authorities and given them all my information.
They made an astounding, insightful statement that, Dr. Soon-Shiong, what you've figured out is that your immune system is a disease, meaning the loss of the natural killer cells, and cancer happens just to be a symptom.
And never have we treated the root cause, i.e.
the disease, which is the depletion of the natural killer cells in your body.
And I said, wow, you really understood this.
You really got it.
What is even more disconcerting is the understanding now that when we give high-dose chemotherapy, when we give high-dose radiation, thinking that we're helping the cancer patient, we're actually wiping out the natural killer cell.
And are then surprised that the patient gets metastasis and spread and say we can't cure it.
We have not been treating the actual root cause of the disease, which is the immune system, or the history of medicine.
So let me try to just ask a question that I know our audience has.
A, is it true that cancer rates are going up with young people in particular?
And B, what is causing that?
At least anecdotally, doctor.
I know people that I went to high school with in my local community that are 35 and 36 years old.
In Chicago, they're getting colon cancer.
They're getting cancers at a very young age.
Is it true that cancer rates are going up, or is that just media hysteria?
And if true, what is causing that?
You asked exactly the right questions.
That's why I was in Saudi Arabia.
You know, 60% of the population there are under 30. And your audience, the college audience, It's something that I am very worried about, meaning the following.
I am now beginning to see the cancer rates not only going up, but going up in younger people.
I've never seen a 10-year-old with colon cancer.
I've never seen a 13-year-old with metastatic pancreatic cancer in my life.
We are now seeing ovarian cancers in 20 or 21-year-olds.
It is ridiculous what's going on, and I call that turbo cancers.
You and I can delve into it, how we can delve into it, because I worry and your audience are now more aware and smarter and sophisticated with the social media to understand this is a real phenomenon.
Yes, it is.
And so what would you say is one of the main reasons that we're missing why this is happening?
The immune system is failing.
Is it anything to do with happening post-COVID, that actually getting COVID?
Is it something that we are eating?
Is it a failure of the pharmaceutical companies?
Because I can't imagine a 36-year-old friend of mine who, you know, he bikes, he regularly exercises, he moderately drinks, he gets colon cancer at age 36. We're supposed to be getting healthier, doctor.
The promise of modernity was that every year we'd get healthier, but it seems as if we're getting sicker.
So it is a combination of all, Charlie.
Let's delve into it.
First of all, You're right.
What we eat is the dyes and everything that's been talked about with Secretary Robert Kennedy.
The dyes that we eat, the issues, the toxins, the PFAS.
The PFAS, which is actually used now as fertilizers, but it's what they call these never chemicals, but it's in our milk and it's our so-called organic foods.
But then you combine that with two things I worry about.
One is really the magnetic radiation that is happening.
I don't know if you realize that our pilots in the military that's up in the air here are getting higher risk earlier of prostate cancer and bladder cancer.
The idea that now when you get down to COVID, that the COVID, whether it be from the vaccine or from the infection, The COVID virus, if it persists in your body, is highly immunosuppressive.
So if you have the combination of the wiping out of your immune system and at the same time the immune suppression of whatever you have, you're now beginning to see this rise of cancer.
Colon cancer, pancreatic cancer, ovarian cancer, breast cancer, and very interestingly enough, I'm seeing so-called rare tumors that are no longer rare.
Glioblastomas.
So all these issues now coming to bear, and that's why I'm so excited by the discussions we had, both with the president and his team, as well as with the senior leaders at Saudi Arabia and Qatar, who desperately want to bring this BioShield to the world.
Yeah, so let's emphasize that.
Is this cancer problem happening in distant off lands like Qatar and Saudi Arabia as well, or is this uniquely an American phenomenon?
We are now seeing a pandemic, not only in Qatar, in Africa and in the United States and in Canada.
One of the biggest issues we've got in Qatar and in Saudi Arabia is colon cancer.
And I have a fearful, fearful feeling.
And this is now published, that the COVID virus is now residing in the colon two years after the infection.
That's now been published by the University of San Francisco team.
And more importantly, when it's there, the natural killer cells in that colon are completely diminished in terms of its activity.
So it's not by coincidence we're seeing so much colon cancer.
And what's exciting, at least for me, in the United States, we have now a trial which we almost fully recruited to prevent colon cancer in patients with Lynch syndrome with our BioShield.
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So, let me just ask the elephant in the room question, if I can, Doctor, which is some of our audience is saying, Charlie, this must be the COVID shot, that it's the mRNA shot.
I'm sure you get this question a lot, Doctor.
In your expertise, is there any truth to that?
Is that something worth looking into?
Help us, Layman, understand how you're thinking about this.
It is very much something we have to look into, and it's not a political thing.
It's a really scientific issue.
So for us to understand the COVID vaccine as it currently was presented, which was the spike protein, that spike protein was what they call stabilized.
And by so doing, it would enter any part of the body together with these, without going too deep into the technicalities, these lipid carriers.
So the question is, would these spike proteins, together with a combined infection, cause replication in the body?
And does that explain the myocarditis?
Does it explain the autoimmune disease?
Does it explain the brain fog?
Does it explain the residual replicating viruses in the colon?
So absolutely, this needs to be understood and explored.
I don't think there's a coincidence between this, what I call, turbo cancers.
I get calls after calls of patients that were in remission and then got COVID, and now they have cancer.
So I think this immune has been underestimated.
The beauty is that BioShield can overcome this immunosuppression.
The beauty is that this BioShield can clear this virus from the body, and that's what we're in trials now.
Yeah, so I want to learn more about that.
But first, you have such incredible clarity on this topic, which is rare.
Because when I talk to people that are just, to say, part of the system that aren't creative, they are very ideological.
You're not even allowed to explore these topics.
How have you been treated by the big pharma incumbent actors?
Have you been well-received with your approach and your line of questioning?
Well, that's a very loaded question, and the great forward answer is not well received.
I don't think any, just so you know, I've not taken one penny of Big Pharma money, and I've not taken one penny of government money.
All the money that we've spent, and we've spent over a billion dollars in trying to understand this work, as you know, Charlie, I had the great fortune of living the American dream and selling my company so I can actually work on how we can cure cancer.
I don't think curing cancer and avoiding high-dose chemotherapy, high-dose radiation, high-dose checkpoint inhibitors acts in the interest of big pharma.
And I think, you know, there's incentives that I'm fighting against.
And even large academic medical centers where it's really a great profit center to give high-dose chemotherapy and radiation.
So I suppose I just had to face that, understood that.
And as you may know, many years ago, when you tried to help me solve healthcare, when you were young, Charlie Kirk, and if I had known how successful you would have been on Tuning Point, I would never have let you actually out of my sight.
You're very kind.
And it's very funny.
Dr. Soon-Shiong and I, we got to know each other quite well.
You know what?
Six or seven years ago, we played basketball together a lot, and then we just kind of lost touch, and here we are, back together.
it's funny how that works, isn't it?
And I just can't compliment your work enough because it is so needed because I'm seeing young friends of mine suffer by this exploding cancer epidemic.
And so I, You remember President Trump got shot at Butler?
Yes.
And I watched it.
I actually watched it with horror.
And a few weeks later, I get a call from a family, from that same Butler.
And that family has this boy, this young boy, 13-year-old, with metastatic pancreatic cancer.
I said, oh, my God, I've never heard of a patient with 13 years old.
And I said, listen, this patient must be treated where you are.
You don't need to travel to Los Angeles.
Let me speak to your doctors in your area.
And their response was, the doctors in the area said, this patient should be in hospice.
There's nothing more we can do.
And sadly, I said, well, that's not acceptable.
Let him fly out then.
I will try and take care of him.
And he would fly out.
Either every week or every three weeks with his father.
And it was so tragic because by the time I saw him, it was all through his body.
And this is driving me nuts as a physician.
It's driving me nuts that we can allow that to stand.
So all of this that I'm talking about is truly as a physician and somebody that's, you know, trying to find out what's exciting and at the same time frustration.
We think we've unlocked the key.
I think we've found the missing link.
We think we understand now for the first time how to outsmart this cancer.
As you recall, when we started many, many years ago, we said we were going to talk about self-health care.
And you're not going to solve health care until you can actually treat these chronic diseases.
But my fear in young people, people that see the most wonderful times of their lives.
Are now facing this terrible dread of cancer.
Yes.
Yes, and not because of any lifestyle choice that they have made.
For example, if you get lung cancer at age of 61, you are a lifelong smoker.
I'm not saying you deserve it, but there was definitely an understanding of risk when you're doing that.
If you're getting colon cancer or prostate cancer after a lifetime of drinking, I'm not saying you deserve it, but there was some human agency.
But if you're 14 years old and you have cancer spreading throughout your entire body, you didn't do anything to deserve that.
There was nothing that you did, doctor.
Right.
No, I agree.
I agree.
And even more so right now, right?
I mean, we had the pandemic of the COVID.
And by the way, I argued in 2020 to the powers that be, whether it be Fauci, Collins, the Biden administration, that unless you clear the virus, You're never going to prevent the spread.
And if you don't clear the virus, there's really prices to pay of losing your natural killer cells.
And those warnings were not taken at all during that administration.
So let's zero in on that.
So your philosophy is one that seems to be very self-evident.
Activate your body's immune system and the natural killer cells.
You call it the bio-shield.
Is that correct?
Is that what you've been?
Yeah.
And essentially, instead of having to take all these pharmacological agents or potentially damaging treatments like chemotherapy or radiation, you allow God's design to do the work for you.
Is that a fair summary?
And then how do we do it?
How do we strengthen the immune system?
Is it a shot?
Is it a routine?
Is it a regimen?
Is it a supplement?
Is it a treatment?
Please.
So you characterize it absolutely correct.
I will just add a little bit more.
The current chemotherapy and radiation actually kills the exact immune system you're trying to protect.
So inadvertently, all these dollars that we spent and all the profits that have been made by Big Pharma and everything actually has not won the war.
It may have won the battle slightly, but immediately you can get metastasis.
So the question you ask is, how does this BioShield work?
God has given us the ability to kill cancer with this natural killer cell.
What we call that natural killer cell and T-cell in medical terms, lymphocytes.
So we understand when we take a CBC and we can look and we can see the red blood cells and treat anemia, there's never been a treatment ever in the history of medicine to activate these lymphocytes.
Which are the natural killer cells and T cells because we couldn't figure out the key that would turn them on in your body that would last long enough with a single jab.
So all this is is literally a protein that your body makes called IL-15.
We have figured out a way to take this IL-15 and put it into a vial which is a natural protein that your body makes but allow it to last long and activate Tenfold your natural killer cells and T-cells in your body.
So your body is the factory of these lymphocytes, and we give you that jab.
We, however, in addition to that, have figured out a way to take blood from yourself, your own blood, or from somebody else, and in our lab, grow these natural killer cells into billions.
We can now target these natural killer cells and infuse them back into you.
So now we have just supplemented, augmented, and supercharged your immune system and used exactly what God has given us to design to kill cancer.
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I love this so much.
I have to ask and kind of re-ask a question, but I'll ask it differently.
Let me say it this way.
What then is all the money in biotech?
Where is it going?
Are they pursuing treatments like this?
Because this seems so self-evident, and dare I say, this is a permanent and much more lasting approach than what some of the alternative theories are.
Do you agree with that?
And then where is the investment going of these big pharma companies?
Do they actually want to solve the problem?
So let's break down that question, because it's a very good question.
The first question is, is this permanent?
Well, I can just give you the evidence and the data.
For example, 10 years ago, think about that.
10 years ago, we treated patients with bladder cancer.
And if you have bladder cancer, the outcome is it would progress and you would die from metastatic disease.
Or, in order to prevent that, you would remove your entire bladder.
That's called a radical cystectomy.
So 10 years ago, we put it into patients in our phase one, and guess what?
Those patients are still alive with their bladder 10 years out and with a great quality of life.
We have patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer, and you know with metastatic pancreatic cancer that the lifespan is very limited.
We published a paper with five-year data of metastatic pancreatic cancer, completely free of disease at that time.
You know there's another disease called Merkel cell carcinoma, which is a very aggressive tumor in the skin like a melanoma.
We have patients now out six years free of disease, seven years free of disease.
What does this mean is that we not only have supercharged the immune system, we've taught the immune system to have what we call T cell memory and in so doing So that's what we do.
Conceptually, what we do differently from anybody else is, as you recall, many years ago, in fact, that's when we were playing basketball together, I thought that maybe the cancer we could treat.
I soon realized that this cancer on the inside has got so many fail-safe pathways, tens of them.
You block one, the other one opens.
You block the other, the other one opens.
So you can't kill the cancer from the inside out.
I realized you have to kill the cancer from the outside in.
You have to attack the cancer on its surface.
From the outside in and shatter it.
And then shatter it completely and drive memory that will recognize it.
That's the natural killer cell.
So what is different is we're killing the cancer from the outside in in a way that will drive memory and be permanent.
What other companies are doing, they're still doing these incremental changes and checkpoint inhibitors, targeted, etc.
And they're all incremental.
We need to change it where it is long-term overall survival with a high quality of life, and we've already shown that.
So what have you learned since COVID regarding this topic that has surprised you the most?
Because, I mean, someone like you is a lifelong learner.
You're constantly studying.
What in the last five years have you learned that was, if anything, an aha moment that has given you even more clarity in this fight against cancer?
You know, what's given more clarity was actually not even the last five years, in the last six months.
Please tell me.
As I've been walking around trying to explain this idea that the disease is the immune system, that the fundamental flaw of early mortality or fundamental cause of early mortality is the loss or the collapse of the immune system.
The light bulb went on.
That that collapse happens when you have sepsis.
Yes.
That collapse when you have aging.
That collapse when you have trauma.
That collapse when you have TB.
That collapse when you have COVID.
That collapse when you have cancer.
So it is truly almost like the holy grail of the fountain of long life, not of youth, but how to protect your body.
And we just recently had a patient.
With sepsis in the ICU, got approval with a patient with central valley fever that his entire lung was filled with this fungus.
And we gave, unfortunately, the patient to the last, right almost, an ICU for one month on the ventilator, gave them our bio-shield, and in case cells had been fused, and remarkably, the lungs cleared up completely.
Not just the aha moment, it's oh my goodness, this bio shield has implications not only for the nation but for the world.
And I'm so pleased that, you know, I saw the shout out that President Trump gave to you with how you helped bring the younger population to be aware that with this president who is now aware of this bio shield could make this happen.
When the other previous administration really almost put blocks in the way.
So, this is amazing.
What do you want everyone in our audience to know as far as empowerment information?
Because right now there are people in our audience, this will be seen by millions of people, that have cancer right now.
They are going to chemo right now.
What do you want them to know?
What is your message to the masses?
The reason I'm in this suit and fancy-wancy here is because I just had a meeting with the FDA and some other officials to truly explain the urgency of this because, as you know, Charlie, I've never been on podcasts until now, and I just did one three or four months ago, and we got thousands of requests.
You're completely right.
The desperation...
And to empower, I want this to be made available to the nation.
But it's already approved.
It's approved just for bladder cancer.
And inside the approval, it actually states legally in the package insert that this bio-shield is, to my knowledge, the only molecule on the planet that stimulates NK cells, T cells.
And memory T-cells without immune suppression.
So the empowerment for the nation is to get aware, to be aware of this availability.
I have to work my way through the regulatory stuff that goes through.
And that's one of the reasons why I was in Riyadh.
Because the Middle East have committed to me that they will make this available to the Middle East within 100 days, next 100 days.
So the empowerment is for people to be firstly understanding of the fact that our clinic is now fully overwhelmed.
I want this to be available to the country.
President Trump understands that.
That's one of the conversations I had with him when I was in Riyadh.
You know, we're going to have the Golden Dome, but we can also have the Biodome.
Or the BioShield.
And what more important is to prevent patients from dying from radiation.
Not being treated by the radiation, but dying, getting metastasis from the radiation.
and that could be prevented with a bio shield.
So I suppose it is an active campaign, Charlie, just like you have where, you know, folks, when they even had HIV, This needs to be made available.
I'm not a politician.
I'm a doctor.
All I want is for us to help people.
As many patients as we can.
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Doctor, I want to now ask, will anyone face consequences or have any sort of judgment or justice for what's been done here?
And would you call them crimes?
Well, look, I have clear information in my possession.
Of the blockage that has been happening over the last four years.
And, you know, you notice I said it's not a conspiracy if it's true.
I'm not a politician and I'm not a lawyer.
But somebody will have to be able to investigate that and look into that.
I can't comment on whether it's considered a crime.
I consider it a moral issue.
And it wouldn't be right if this got approved in the rest of the world first when actually the innovation came from our country.
So what if you're, let's just say, if President Trump, I know you've met him on multiple occasions, and Bobby Kennedy, you have an uninterrupted audience with them, and you could have them do anything on this topic.
What would it be?
If you had the full force of the government behind your vision to solve this problem, what would that look like?
That any patient that's being treated for cancer and about to get a radiation, before they get the radiation, they get the BioShield.
The reason I'm saying that is I've already done that in patients with prostate cancer before they get the radiation and protected their lymphocytes.
And they've gotten a complete remission.
From a recurrence of prostate cancer.
And any patient who gets chemotherapy, before they get chemotherapy, to protect their lymphocytes by giving them the BioShield.
And in that case, we've already shown that in ovarian cancer patients, for example.
They got the full chemotherapy because that's what the standard of care wanted to be and we couldn't stop it.
But we gave them this lady the BioShield.
Her ovarian cancer disappeared and then she had surgery.
In other words, the treatment is the treatment of your immune system.
There's never been a treatment in the history of medicine to protect your immune system.
So via the full force of the government, this drug is already approved.
The indication or the mechanism is already approved.
We do not need regulatory blockade to say allow anybody to protect their lymphocytes.
So the recognition that there is no It's like saying there is an approved treatment for anemia.
You give a drug called epigen or you give blood transfusion.
Never in the history, but red blood cells don't cure cancer.
Never in the history of mankind has there been a treatment for lymphopenia, meaning your NK cells, until now.
What is ironic?
There are now, I'm counting, maybe 300 publications in the literature dating back to 1990 that if you have lymphopenia, meaning your loss of NK cells and T cells, you have early mortality regardless of the tumor type.
You have early mortality if you have sepsis.
You have early mortality if you have trauma.
So if I had the full power of the government, We have the opportunity to save millions of lives by allowing patients across the country and doctors to be educated, protect the immune system with the BioShield.
So, Doctor, I now want to ask you an unrelated question, but about your biography.
You purchased the Los Angeles Times.
Why did you do that?
And how does that fit in with your macro vision to improve the world and help humanity?
I did that because I wasn't smart.
You and Elon, you have a lot in common, you and Elon.
You love humanity and you decided to purchase, let's say, free speech platforms that are not exactly easy to manage.
So what happened was, as you know, Charlie, I was born in South Africa.
I grew up in apartheid.
I never saw a TV until the age of 21. My only education, believe it or not, was the newspaper.
I believed, by living the American dream, that we would have a platform that not only could educate, but could inspire and be honest with high integrity, in which people could trust and have a discourse, even if you disagree or agree, on a platform.
That was my belief of what I would do and allow this paper not to be destroyed, but to create that platform.
Unfortunately, I took my eye off the ball pre-COVID and during COVID.
And so it became an echo chamber rather than a free speech platform.
Well, I have to say, the courage that you have to purchase the LA Times made a decision not to endorse for the presidency.
Is that correct?
I'm sure that was warmly received.
To the extent my editors resigned, yeah, that was exactly warmly received.
So, look, it was around October, and obviously there was all heated in terms of where it was going, and my editorial board felt they wanted to endorse Kamala Harris, and I disagreed, and you're right.
Took the decision knowing the consequences of that decision.
That won't happen.
And as a consequence, my editorial board resigned and we lost thousands of viewers.
But so be it.
I think it's important to really have voices heard and truth be told and free speech.
Doctor, in closing, anything we did not cover that you want our audience to know, how people can support you, and we need to create a grassroots movement behind what you're talking about.
I couldn't be a firmer believer in this.
Please, final thoughts, Doctor.
Well, thank you so much, Charlie.
I think what we're doing is profound, simple but profound.
I think this president could have a legacy of not just a peace prize, a Nobel Peace Prize, which it really would be warranted, but having health.
As a bridge to create peace in the world.
Your audience are young, vigorous and important.
I'm fearful of increasing cancer in young people.
And if they could help, and you could help, in this campaign of awareness and cutting through the regulatory issues, Yes, totally.
Then we'd be forever grateful.
That would be a measurable improvement in the well-being of humanity.
And based on what you're saying, it can be done.
It can be done.
It's not only can be done, it is here.
That's what's frustrating.
I've proven it in Quilt.
If you look at QUILT, clintrials.gov, since 2017, I've done this in triple negative breast cancer, pancreatic cancer, headed neck cancer, Senator Reid, and bladder cancer.
It's not a theory, it's not a hypothesis, and it's not a drug that's not approved already.
So that's my level of frustration.
Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong, thank you so much, and come back anytime.
We're behind you 100%.
Thank you.
Good seeing you again.
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