No vaccine development was ever more high-profile, or more fast-tracked, than the race to create a Covid shot in 2020. But then, two weeks before the 2020 election, Pfizer hit the pause button. Alex Berenson explains how the trail of evidence makes it clear that Pfizer and health authorities deliberately slowed down to deny Donald Trump a victory and help knock him out of office. Plus, CA gubernatorial candidate Steve Hilton reacts to Gavin Newsom's attempt to "cut the baby in half" on the biological men in women's sports. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, direct election interference by Pfizer.
We'll never forget what happened back in the 2020 election.
Great conversation with Alex Berenson.
And then men are still winning championships.
That's right.
The new long jump and triple jump champion in California is a man, as we predicted.
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Men are continually winning female championships.
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On Saturday...
We predicted that a man was going to win a state championship.
Well, A.B. Hernandez, a man, a transgender student, won the state title in two different competitions.
Two first place victories and a second place win in the state championship.
He won the high and the triple jump events.
Hernandez shared the podium in recognition.
With cisgender females as a result of new rules, horridly adopted last week.
You see, these are the Democrats trying to remedy an unfixable situation.
Well, it's very fixable if you say no men in female sports.
Sparked by threats from the federal government just days ahead of the past weekend's track and field championship, the California Interscholastic Federation changed its rules regarding the number of girls who could qualify and could win events with a transgender athlete.
The state faced backlash over Hernandez's participation with President Donald Trump threatening to cut federal funding to California.
I want to play some of this piece of tape here, and then we're going to get to my friend Steve Hilton, who's running for the governor's mansion in California.
Actually, we'll play that tape in just a second.
This is up on screen.
This is pretty amazing what we're putting up on screen here.
This is a biological man, so that's a person, if we put this up on screen.
With a penis and a woman sharing a state title, I guess.
I'm not really even sure what they were doing in the medal ceremony.
It's very confusing.
This is only making it worse, for the record.
It's not making it better.
So now they share medals with trannies.
I'm sorry.
How does that make sense?
So you're acknowledging that they're not actually men?
I mean, that they're not actually women?
Joining us now is Steve Helton.
Steve, what is going on with your state?
This is a major issue that Governor Gavin Newsom has refused to move on.
Steve, your thoughts?
You're exactly right, Charlie.
It's making it worse.
There's a famous phrase we have for exactly this moment, adding insult to injury.
What an insult!
They, by doing this ridiculous, yeah, let's put them both up on the podium, acknowledge the unfairness, the ridiculousness, the absurdity of what went on here, and they refuse to actually address the problem.
Which is the basic common sense position that the vast majority of Americans share.
To be clear, the vast majority of Californians in a recent poll also share, which is that biological men should not be competing in girls' sports.
Right?
Everyone agrees about that.
The majority of Americans, the majority of Californians, and Gavin Newsom agrees.
Because that's what he told you.
He said it was, quote, deeply unfair.
So what's he done about it?
Absolutely nothing.
A few weeks after your conversation, he had an opportunity to do something about it.
There were two bills in the state legislature, bills put forward by Republican state legislators that would have banned this absurd, cruel practice.
And he did absolutely nothing.
He did nothing to try and help those bills go through.
He was then asked about it.
He said, hang on a second.
The reporters said, you told Charlie Kirk, you think this is deeply unfair.
Why didn't you do anything about it?
And this is when it got even more unbelievable.
Newsom said, well, it's really difficult.
We've been trying to figure this out for two years now.
And I just haven't been able to figure out what to do.
It's really difficult.
It is repulsive, actually.
And I didn't need two years to figure this out.
I figured it out in two days with serious legal advisors who've been involved with former governors of California.
I went to the track and field finals myself on Saturday morning to hold a press conference with the mayor of Clovis, where the event was taking place, many girls and former athletes.
I was there to make the announcement.
That when I'm governor, this will be banned.
And here's how you do it.
The law that enables this absurdity was passed in California in 2013.
It's AB 1266.
It enables not just biological men to compete in girls' sports, but also to have access to girls' locker rooms.
So we saw the obscenity.
Just a few weeks ago of a girl in the central coast of California who went before a school board to say that she and her friends were in the locker room when a biological male was changing naked right next to them in the locker room and she couldn't do anything about it.
And her words were that I felt assaulted.
That was the words that she used.
And the school board silenced her for trying to tell that story.
That is also enabled by the same law, AB 1266, that made possible what you saw on Saturday.
So here's what I will do when I'm governor.
My legal advice is that this state law is violatory of the state constitution in two ways.
Section 28 of California's state constitution guarantees students safe schools.
Section 31 bans gender discrimination.
What is this if it's not discrimination against girls?
So here's what I'm going to do.
On day one, when I'm elected governor, I will demand that the legislature overturn AB 1266.
If they refuse to do that, I will file suit against them on the grounds that this law is unconstitutional and we will overturn it.
One way or another, when I'm governor, this absurdity, this unfairness, this cruelty will end.
And Steve, we have the receipts here.
Let's play cut 282, please.
So you right now should come out and be like, you know what?
The young man who's about to win the state championship and the long jump in female sports, that shouldn't happen.
You as the governor should step out and say no.
No, and I appreciate it.
But would you do something like that?
Would you say no men in female sports?
Well, I think it's an issue of fairness.
I completely agree with you on that.
So that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that.
There's also a humility and a grace that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression.
And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well.
So both things I can hold in my hand.
How can we address this issue with the kind of decency that I think is inherent in you, but not always expressed?
I don't know what he's talking about at the end of that.
But Steve, he could have done something and he decided not to.
Your thoughts?
Exactly.
This is what we get from him.
What's he even talking about?
He's the governor.
He's not some passive bystander, but that is how he behaves on everything.
He's done nothing.
He says he's been working on it for two years and can't figure out an answer.
As I said, I worked on it for two days.
And got a concrete legal answer about how we overturn the law that enables this and stop this happening in California.
This is a pattern with Gavin Newsom.
He said something similar on the absolutely outrageous situation we have in California, where you have taxpayer money now funding illegal immigrant health care to the tune of $10 billion, right?
And he said, oh, that's really unfair.
We're going to rein it in.
And then guess what happened when he published his new budget?
The spending on that actually went up.
It increased from £9.5 billion to £12.1 billion next year.
Same on homelessness.
He said, oh, I'm getting tough on homelessness now.
Turns out what he actually did was issue a list of suggestions to local governments that wouldn't have made any difference at all.
This guy is an absolute menace.
Right.
He keeps saying, I'll try to do this.
I'll do that.
I'm moving to the center.
I'm becoming more moderate.
The whole country needs to understand this guy doesn't do anything to make anything better in a practical sense.
It's all words, mostly incomprehensible.
And on this particular issue.
America should not be fooled.
He's done nothing about this.
He told you he thought it was deeply unfair and then did nothing.
He can't be trusted.
That's why I'm running for governor.
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We can't go on like this.
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Steve Hilton continues with us.
Let's play cut 283.
This is the biological man.
A.B. Hernandez being interviewed by the media.
This man just won the state title in the high jump and the triple jump.
This man is now the winner of the female category.
And honestly, it's amazing how many women are okay with this.
White, liberal women are perfectly fine with this.
Interestingly, in that picture, can you show the picture up before I play the video here?
You know who I don't think is okay with this?
This is a complete inference.
It's just, I don't think the black woman is okay with this.
I don't.
I'm just inferring.
I'm guessing.
I'm speculating.
The black woman doesn't seem too thrilled with this whole situation.
And it really goes to show the body language.
She's like, I'm not too crazy about this.
If you go into black and Hispanic neighborhoods, this idea of men winning female championships is incomprehensible.
Playcut 283.
Is that even registering as you're competing?
Honestly, no.
I'm so tired.
You're an adult, and for you to act like a child shows how you are as a person.
And nothing I can do about people's actions, just focus on my own.
On Saturday, other competitors beat Hernandez in two of her three events.
She won first place in triple jump.
She is not currently ranked nationally, and she has been outperformed by over two meters in her jumps by girls competing in states that have banned gender-affirming care.
I don't think you understand that this puts your idiotic claims to trash.
Now you have no proof that I can't be beat.
Yeah, you just won the triple jump and the high jump.
And then here is 264.
Here's the most amazing thing.
This is the girl who then got the co-medal that they're doing.
They're trying to fix it, which makes it even worse.
But she's perfectly fine with it.
If you want a picture in— I don't like picking on minors, but it is what it is.
Play Cut 264 into a picture into the window of white liberal blackness.
They gave her the medal that she deserved.
And sharing the podium was nothing but an honor.
As a part of the queer community, like, I want A.B. Hernandez to know that we all have her back and we all have her support.
Although the publicity she's receiving has been pretty negative, I believe she deserves publicity because she is a superstar.
She's a rock star.
She's representing who she is.
And to be up there with her, like, that was amazing for me, honestly, yeah.
I'm really proud of us.
Even though she didn't win.
Steve, how are we going to end this insanity in California?
Well, it's just, you're right.
It's insane.
And I want to go back to the point I made earlier, which is, it's worse than even this.
Yes, okay, we can all see the unfairness and the ridiculousness of the competitive aspect in sports.
The analogy I make often is, imagine if we said, oh, you know, what we're going to do now is have 19-year-old men competing on the 12-year-old kid's soccer team.
People would just laugh.
Well, that's ridiculous.
You'd never have that happen.
That's the equivalent of what's going on here.
But it's also the violation here of girls' spaces.
Access to locker rooms.
And you had a girl.
And you make the point that, you know, some of these girls seem to go along with it.
One of the reasons is, I had a professional athlete join me at my press conference to announce the action that I would take as governor.
Sophia Laurie, great campaigner on all this.
She said, look, so many girls privately tell her they are absolutely furious about all this, but feel they can't speak out because they're going to be silenced.
Or victimized in some way for telling the truth, for speaking basic truth about what life is all about.
And they feel that they can't say that.
But this violation in spaces, in locker rooms, naked biological men in a girl's locker room?
I mean, a few years ago, we would have considered that a crime.
A crime.
a naked teenage boy in a girl's locker room.
And now the girl gets...
I mean, this is completely insane.
Insane and offensive and cruel.
And that's why I'm saying very clearly, I have found the way that this will be overturned when I'm governor.
The law that enables this is unconstitutional.
So what are we doing?
The law that enables this was passed 12 years ago by the California legislature.
And this shows you what you get.
When you have one party rule, we've had 15 years of one party rule by the Democrats.
And this is just one example among many.
Of the insanity that have ruined California.
But it ends when I'm the governor.
That's why I'm running for governor.
I'm telling you, exactly as you said, I will have the support, and I'm getting it right now, of exactly as you say, particularly the Latino community in California, who've had enough of it.
It's the largest group in California.
I was on with Steve Pannon the other day.
He said, how are you going to pull this off?
How are you going to win in California?
Two things.
Turn out every Trump voter.
There are more than enough Trump voters in California to to to And secondly, working class Latinos in California who know that this is nonsense, this kind of thing, and they know they've been hammered by 15 years of Democrat.
Well, we're going to end it when I'm the governor.
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Okay, everybody, I've been reading about this in the Wall Street Journal, this drone attack in Russia.
Serious stuff.
Ukraine strikes, destroy planes inside Russia.
Clandestine drone attack deal, conflict's biggest blow against long-range bombers.
We're going to keep a close eye on that.
Seems very, very, very much on the interior of Russia.
I sure hope America had nothing to do with it.
Joining us now is Alex Berenson.
Man, I really enjoyed his book, Pandemia, during all of the COVID stuff.
He was without a doubt one of the most, if not the best, reporter during all of that.
Alex sent me a very nice email last week.
Alex, why don't you tell the audience the email you sent me and kind of what prompted this conversation?
Sure.
So last week on my Substack, my Unreported Truth Substack, I wrote a piece about how much Pfizer essentially interfered in the 2020 election.
Almost certainly intentionally withholding its results of the main MRA vaccine clinical trial until after the election.
And those results, as we all know, were very positive.
Now, we can have a different debate about the long-term efficacy of the vaccines, the long-term side effects of the vaccines, all that stuff.
I want to put that aside.
And I certainly have lots of questions about that.
I've done lots of reporting about that.
You know, I think along with a couple other people like Robert Malone, I've been one of the big questioners on that.
Put that aside.
On the day that Pfizer announced the results, which was one week after the vaccine, I'm sorry, one week after Election Day, six days after Election Day, Monday, November 9th, 2020, the stock market went crazy.
There was a global sense of relief.
Because the results were so positive.
People believed that, you know, within a matter of months, everybody, you know, or almost everybody would be vaccinated.
And certainly, you know, elderly people at high risk would be vaccinated.
And the epidemic would be over.
And, you know, look, there were a lot of us like me, like you at the time, who said, this is a little bit of fool's gold because we don't really necessarily need to lock down.
We're overreacting to COVID as it is.
But obviously, we all know there are a lot of people who work in that category, and they were desperate for a vaccine.
And so the public response on that November 9th was incredibly positive.
And I don't think there's any question that Donald Trump would have gotten millions more votes had that been announced in late October, especially because, you know, although Pfizer was outside the Warp Speed program, it was working very closely with the U.S. government.
You know, was using technology that was essentially the U.S. government's favorite technology.
So had Pfizer announced those results, I think Trump gets millions more votes.
I don't necessarily even think the 2020 election is close, okay?
And at that time, you, Donald Trump himself, Donald Trump Jr., there were a lot of people saying, this seems really odd.
It seems really weird that these incredibly positive results, which Pfizer said were...
Suddenly got delayed just a few extra days.
How did this happen?
And of course, people like you, people like Donald Trump himself, got smeared as conspiracy theorists.
This is a conspiracy.
Pfizer did whatever they could.
They did it at the speed of science.
And it turns out this is just another conspiracy that turns out to be completely true.
You were correct.
Donald Trump was correct.
Pfizer is no friend of Donald Trump's.
Albert Borla, who's the CEO of Pfizer, no friend of Donald Trump's.
And if you look at the timeline and you go into what Pfizer actually knew and when it knew it, I don't think there can be any question that they could have announced these results possibly as early as mid-October, certainly by about October 25th or so, and they chose not to do so.
So I love this story, and I think you just handled that so perfectly.
I want to dive even deeper into this, Alex, which is the efficacy and the problems with the vaccine, myocarditis, pericarditis, all that stuff.
That's not even what we're talking about here.
We're talking about a political moment.
We're talking about how this impacted a presidential election.
This is an inarguable fact.
Remember back during that time, a lot of people were – They were scared.
They were afraid because of all the propaganda networks.
And the news of a vaccine very well could have put President Trump so above and beyond any margin of tomfoolery and skullduggery during the 2020 election, as evidenced by when they did this.
So I want you now, Alex, to make the case.
What did Pfizer do exactly?
How did they delay this?
What was their internal rationale?
Was it nakedly political?
Because essentially, Pfizer now, as it is clear in front of us, was now the most proven interferer of an American presidential election of my lifetime.
Prove me wrong, Alex Berenson.
So this is a great question.
I can tell you what they did.
I can't tell you yet why they did it, except that as I write in this substack, Albert Bourla in 2022 said some very negative things about Donald Trump.
You know, he's a CEO.
He's sort of cautious politically.
But you've got to remember, in 2021-2022, Donald Trump was not president.
It didn't seem like there was much chance, necessarily, that he was going to become president.
And a lot of CEOs, I think, felt freer to say what they really thought of him, and certainly Borla did.
And beyond that, there's a guy named Jonathan Zettelman, Dr. Jonathan Zettelman, and Zettelman So in other words, if the results were really good, he's the one who would tell Pfizer.
So Pfizer runs the trial on behalf of itself and BioNTech, which is a German company that actually developed the mRNA technology that's in that vaccine.
But Pfizer theoretically doesn't know what the results are until this guy, Jonathan Zentelman.
And he has the ability to what's called break the blind, to go look at the data.
And Zettelman is openly a Democratic partisan.
He donated to Act Blue in 2020.
He donated to Obama's campaign back in 2008.
His wife donated to Joe Biden himself.
And so this guy, and this guy wrote something extremely negative about Trump, Donald Trump, in April 2020.
And so this is the guy who, as much as Albert Bourla, has the ability to essentially let the world know what's going on in the trial.
So as the trial is progressing, Pfizer starts this trial in July, and it's in a big race with Moderna, which was the other mRNA vaccine company.
And both these companies know we want to get this out as quickly as possible.
Because there's going to be big financial rewards.
There's going to be big reputational rewards.
I don't think it's wrong to say that Albert Borla in 2021 was the most powerful private citizen in the world.
You know, people were calling him up begging for Pfizer's vaccine.
So they want this out best.
But then in September, when it's clear that there's a real chance that the results of this trial are going to be out well in advance of the election, people in the public health community go crazy.
And they push back and they say, if this vaccine isn't tested enough, nobody on the left is going to trust it.
It's going to be Donald Trump's vaccine.
We can't let Donald Trump interfere with science.
We need more safety data.
Okay.
The FDA then essentially uses that as an excuse to say, we want two months of safety data.
And guess what?
Two months of safety data means that the In other words, because they demanded this extra data, which they hadn't previously said, they only said this in September, we're going to need this extra data.
Okay, that's not the same as effectiveness, though.
This is safety data that the FDA wants.
Pfizer can still tell you the vaccine is working, as they did on November 9th, without saying we're going to apply for what's called an EUA, actually putting it in people's arms today.
But what this does, what the FDA's move, which they did intentionally, and I think knowing that it was going to enable Pfizer to do this, this was sort of a hand-in-glove public health.
On the left, Pfizer, on the left, game to deny Trump the fruits of how successful this vaccine was going to be.
Pfizer says, okay, we need more safety data.
What that means is that even if we announce that the vaccine is really effective in mid-October, we're not going to be able to apply to put it in people's arms until mid-November.
Guess what?
This gives us control about when we actually announce that the vaccine is working.
And they had very good reason to know that the vaccine was working because it gets complicated.
It gets into when cases were, quote-unquote, accruing in the trial.
So in other words, the vaccine works so well early on.
Again, we're talking about months here.
We're not talking about years.
We're not talking about whether the vaccine works in the long term.
In the very short term, after you get that second mRNA shot, you have a very, very low chance of getting COVID.
And so they can see that.
And also, one thing that people don't realize, I think even people in the scientific community, is that in a big company like Pfizer, there are going to be a handful of people who have open access to the trial data, even when it's supposed to be blinded.
And they kind of have to have that because if something is going terribly wrong with the vaccine, somebody inside the company needs to know that quickly.
But what that means is that the company doesn't, this idea that the company doesn't know what's going on.
is not really true.
So Pfizer had very good reason to know what was happening in October.
And at the same time, it's clear that the guy who had the best access was vehemently anti-Trump and that Borla himself, Albert Borla, the chief executive of Pfizer, was also anti-Trump.
Again, I actually want to trust my public health authorities.
I want to trust the largest pharmaceutical company, but I don't.
And I didn't trust them before any of this.
And now, I think, now through every prism, no, I mean, it's so repulsive and disgusting.
And again, I will repeat this, that the 2020 election was so interfered with, and Donald Trump still, after all of that, only fell 43,000 votes short.
It's rather remarkable.
And thank you, Alex, for mentioning it.
I was so condemned.
I was so smeared.
Because when this happened, I said, oh, they totally had the data earlier.
Oh, you're a conspiracy theorist.
Yeah, turns out I was right, and we were right.
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Okay, so Alex Berenson is here.
Has anyone apologized?
Anyone taken responsibility for this?
Is there any contrition from Albert Bula from Pfizer?
Alex?
Of course not.
I mean, why would there be contrition?
They, you know, they haven't admitted the vaccine, you know, didn't work nearly as well as they expected.
They haven't admitted that, you know, that lockdowns were a disaster.
They haven't admitted anything.
They never admit anything, these people.
They all pretend that they are, you know, believers in science and truth and that, you know, anybody who opposes them is just some mouth-breathing, you know, nut.
None of that is true.
And when you catch them, they just ignore it, which is exactly what Pfizer's done.
So Pfizer, instead of owning up to this, they'll never own up to this, has spent a lot of its money trying to get back in good with Donald Trump.
And as somebody I know, who you know too, said to me, Trump has this reputation of being such a retributionist.
The fact is, he's often too forgiving.
These people should not be anywhere near him.
They made a decision, a conscious decision, to sit on results that probably, as you said, would have made it outside any margin of error, that would have, you know, definitely changed the national mood in October 2020.
And, you know, because they're good at sort of spending corporate money, he, you know, I mean, this is one reason I'm glad to be on with you, because I know people in the White House listen to you and see you, and I think it's crazy.
No, no, he should be totally cut off.
I mean, first of all, What we're talking about here, though, is an interference of a major company worth hundreds of billions of dollars that says we do not want a certain political outcome, and therefore we are not going to allow the trials to come out.
And if anybody deserved to have that election bump, it should have been President Trump because he actually ushered in Operation Warp Speed.
There were a lot of problems with that, and I think he was taken advantage of, and I think he was misled in that process.
But if anybody deserved to have the political fruit and the political momentum, it should have been Donald Trump, not Joe Biden.
Correct, Alex Berenson?
You're absolutely correct about that.
And again, I think it's been forgotten that in August, in September of 2020, there was a big push from the left to try to discredit these vaccines.
And Andrew Cuomo at one point said, New York State is going to do its own evaluation of the vaccines.
We're not going to trust the FDA, which was an absolutely crazy thing to say.
And so, you know, there was a push on the left to discredit this.
And then all of a sudden, And everybody on the left, everybody in the media, everybody in public health starts talking about how wonderful these vaccines are, how everyone has to take them.
It really was astonishing to see.
And it has been forgotten.
And the smearing of you.
And of Donald Trump himself and of other people as conspiracy theorists is just part of this.
And, you know, it disturbs me.
It's wrong.
And it's just part and parcel of what's wrong with the, you know, I mean, this is really, I hate to use the term the deep state.
It's not a term that I favor.
But this is the deep state in action.
This is the FDA and the public health complex, the FDA of the time, working together to try to keep a person they didn't like.
