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April 28, 2025 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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My Conversation with Vice President JD Vance
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Hey, everybody.
Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
My conversation with Vice President J.D. Vance.
He makes some news in this podcast, so make sure you text it to your friends and listen to it carefully.
And then we recap the first 100 days of President Donald Trump.
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Okay, joining us now is the Vice President of the United States of America, Mr. J.D. Vance.
Mr. Vice President, great to have you in the program.
Boy, it feels good to say that.
How are you doing, my friend?
And great to have you in the program.
Thanks, Charlie.
It's good to be with you.
And yeah, man, it's kind of crazy.
It feels in some ways like we've done more in 100 days than other administrations do over 100 years.
But it feels good.
And, you know, obviously we're going to keep up the momentum as much as we can.
But it's a big milestone, and I'm happy to celebrate it with my dear friend Charlie Kirk.
Well, thank you.
And let's dive into that.
So just first, how has it been as far as operating at Trump speed and Trump pace?
And the victories are enormous, and it's easy to forget some of them because there are so many executive orders, so many problems that are now fixed.
What has surprised you?
What has met your expectations?
What has now exceeded your expectations, both from working closely with the president and also the portfolio of issues that you and the entire administration have decided to tackle?
Yeah, well, obviously the president is working at a very fast pace.
You know, he goes to bed late.
He wakes up early.
He's constantly asking us, how can we do more?
How can we take?
You know, give an objective and accomplish it faster.
And so I think it's actually liberating in a lot of ways because you know that whatever you do, so long as it is consistent with the president's objective, he's going to empower you to do it.
He's going to encourage you to do it.
And if you're not doing it, he's going to ask, why the hell haven't you got it done?
And I think that's a very easy way to go about the job of vice president because, you know, I feel like I have pretty broad latitude, right, to accomplish the things that the president wants us to accomplish.
And so I really enjoyed the job.
Obviously, I've only been in it 100 days, but I really enjoyed it.
I think we've gotten a lot done.
And I think in particular, there are so many issues where the press said you need a new piece of legislation, you need a grand bipartisan compromise, where actually just having a different president changing the law enforcement apparatus of the country has accomplished so much.
I think, obviously, the biggest example of that is at the border.
I think at this point we are down 99% or close to border crossings since the president took office.
You have this sense of almost, you know, when I visited the border about a month ago, there was a sense of almost boredom among the Border Patrol agents because there were so many people coming across just a few short months ago that they were like, wait, where did everybody go?
And it turns out if you just send the signal that we're going to do border enforcement, you tell people not to come, most of them don't come.
And so those who do are easier to process, easier to send back home.
So I think that's where we've seen the most immediate success.
I think some issues, obviously, trade, bring back manufacturing, some of the things that we're working on when it comes to foreign policy.
These things take a little bit longer to bake.
But I think the border has been, in some ways, the most rewarding because you see the results so quickly.
Yeah, and the accomplishments are enormous and growing.
What would you say?
is the biggest victory that hasn't received as much press attention.
The border in right-wing circles and conservative media has been mentioned and I think needs to be mentioned every single day.
Every single day, we need to talk about how we actually have a border.
There has only been nine people that were released into the interior of the United States.
That is a 99.99% reduction.
It is one of the greatest, most significant public policy accomplishments and victories without a piece of legislation in American history.
Brett Stevens went on Bill Maher's show and said, this is one of the worst 100 days, this is the worst 100 days ever in American history.
And someone should look that guy in the eyes and say, unlike the wars that you wanted to start, Brett Stevens, for years, we actually have a border thanks to President Trump.
What would you say is the greatest victory, though, Mr. Vice President, that hasn't received much attention, something you've been working on?
Yeah, I mean, look, I can point to a few things, but just on the border, you're right.
Obviously, the border has gotten the most attention.
I think it's the place where you can see the clearest direction and connection between the president's policy and the reduction of border crossings.
To your point, I think it's a radical improvement in a very short amount of time without a single piece of legislation.
We had a border invasion, and now we don't.
And the only thing that changed was Donald Trump's leadership.
That is a very good thing.
But there are all these subtle ways in which border enforcement, Charlie, it doesn't gather the same headlines.
It doesn't gather the same focus as the top-line reduction of border crossing.
But, Charlie, you just have cartels who are not engaging.
In the same level of activity, you have people who would have crossed, would have been processed and released into the country who just aren't even trying to make the trek.
That means there are probably thousands of children who otherwise would have been trafficked across the southern border who haven't been.
So, yeah, it does gather the most headlines, but there are so many parts of a successful border policy that don't gather headlines at all that I think are worth focusing on.
And Charlie, I mean, if I point to another issue, it would have to be foreign policy because, as you know, this is sort of one of these issues where I think The president is so right.
His critics are so wrong.
Yeah, have the Russians and Ukrainians stopped fighting?
No.
But have we made more progress in three months than we made in the previous three years?
Absolutely.
And you have even the Ukrainians, the Europeans, the Russians all sort of simultaneously admitting, sometimes begrudgingly, that Donald Trump's diplomacy has advanced the ball there more.
In a few months than the previous few years, that's a big, big accomplishment.
The final thing I'd say, Charlie, is while the trade policy is maybe where we get the most criticism from the far-left press, I actually think that what President Trump has done has fundamentally reset things.
Whether you're an American business, and I talk to a lot of CEOs, whether you're a foreign investor, whether you're somebody who just works and lives in the economy, which is, of course, most of our citizens, I think that people recognize we're not going back.
Like, we're not going to go back to the same old ways of shipping American jobs overseas, of relying on hostile powers to make the things that we need.
And there's a lot still to do there, and there's a lot to accomplish.
Obviously, as the President has said, we're negotiating a lot of these trade deals.
But man, there's just this sense among the business community that this is a new era in American economic and investment, American economic activity.
I think that doesn't get the headlines.
But that may be the enduring change from the second Trump administration is people recognize we're not going back.
This rebalancing of global trade is here to stay.
And that's all because of Donald Trump's leadership.
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I want to now emphasize one point about I want you to talk about that,
but also connect it to a broader macro point that we expected.
When I was in some transition meetings, there was an expectation that there would be outrageous nationwide injunctions, that there would be judges trying to step in and stop.
the agenda that people voted for.
But it has gone to levels that none of us could have expected, that the unelected judiciary is basically, they're endeavoring on an all-out assault against
Well, so I might push back slightly on that,
Charlie, because...
I think if anybody was aware of what the judicial system is capable of, these unelected bureaucrats, it was Donald J. Trump.
And I think coming into this, he very much had a general on the battlefield mindset where he said, they're going to try to stop us from doing everything and we have to be prepared.
And I understand, you know, there are folks in the base, Charlie, who are frustrated with the pace of deportations.
I get it.
I'm frustrated, too.
I know the president is frustrated, too.
He has said so publicly.
But that's because we're running against this wall of the unelected bureaucracy.
But the only way through it, Charlie, is to actually run through it and to fight this stuff out legally, to take this stuff to the Supreme Court where appropriate, to find alternative legal methods when one district court judge stops us.
You go on to the next thing and you try to ensure that you can accomplish the law and accomplish the will of the people.
And that's just what we're doing.
And, you know, yeah, 100 days is a big milestone, Charlie.
But think about this.
We're not even a third of the way done through the first year of the Trump administration.
And I think that what we're really doing is fixing 40 years of accumulated bogus bureaucratic BS.
We're fixing 40 years of judges thinking they rule the country instead of the American people.
We're fixing 40 years of judges telling the president what to do instead of the American people telling the president what to do.
And that's not going to happen overnight, but I think it had to happen.
And thankfully, we're actually getting it done.
And, you know, you talk about the Dugan case.
I mean, this was a judge.
Who was engaged in explicit obstruction of justice.
We had people who had valid deportation orders and this judge was trying to prevent us from doing the job the American people elected us to do.
As you heard Democrats say so often, no one is above the law, and that includes judges who are obstructing justice.
And there's going to be a lot of justice for people who violated the law, Charlie.
That's what you have to do.
The American principle of justice is not, you know, because you're a Democrat, you don't actually face...
The justice of the judicial system.
The American system of justice is that rich or poor, Republican or Democrat, if you broke the law, you go through the judicial system.
And we're committed to bringing that basic principle back to life in the United States of America.
And I think there's a side benefit to it, Charlie.
This is not why you do these things, of course.
But if Democrats know that they are going to be penalized for violating the law, maybe they'll stop violating the law.
And maybe they'll stop using the Justice Department as a weapon system against their political opponents.
We want to bring back common sense to this country, but there's no way to do it if Democrats think they can throw their opponents in jail.
They're now finding out that if they violate the law, they're going to face the consequences, and that is a very important principle to bring back to this country.
Final point I want to discuss with you, Mr. Vice President, is something that obviously you and I care about.
You mentioned it previously, which is ending the Russian-Ukrainian war.
President Trump was sitting next to Zelensky in an epic picture in Italy at the Pope's funeral.
This was their first meeting since your Oval Office meeting, where you were also in there.
Talk what you know about this that you could.
What is the United States' perspective on this seemingly impossible...
struggle and war that President Trump is leaning in literally with Zelensky to try to get finished.
Yeah, Charlie, so I obviously don't want to prejudge the negotiations because they're very much, you know, in full swing.
I actually had a conversation just this morning about this particular issue.
Here's the way that I put it, Charlie, is, you know, one.
If I could bring people on the inside, I think what they'd see is that sometimes you're incredibly frustrated with Ukrainians.
Sometimes you're incredibly frustrated with the Russians.
You know, that is the nature of the negotiation is you're going back and forth.
And sometimes you just want to throw your hands up.
But that's what President Trump doesn't let us do.
He doesn't let us just throw our hands up and say, you know what, this is ridiculous.
He forces us to continually go back to the table, continually try to find a solution, bring the sides together.
And that really is sort of where this thing is right now.
You have the Russians who have one peace settlement they'd like.
You'd have the Ukrainians, they have a different peace settlement.
The biggest breakthrough is that we've got both of them talking about what they would need in order to stop fighting.
But what one side needs is different from what the other side needs.
And it's the job of diplomacy to try to bring those two sides together.
I can't say with 100% certainty, Charlie, we're going to be able to do it.
But I do think that we're trying very hard, and I feel more optimistic about it today than I did two weeks ago, and I felt more optimistic two weeks ago than I did two months ago.
So we're making progress.
Things are moving along.
We're just going to have to keep on.
Sometimes you apply pressure.
Sometimes you're a little bit more friendly.
Sometimes you offer rewards.
Sometimes you offer punishments.
It's a nitty-gritty, dirty job, but it's the job the American people elected the Trump administration to do.
If this doesn't stop, Charlie, one final point on this.
If this doesn't stop, the Ukrainians aren't winning the war.
I think there's this weird idea among the mainstream media that if this thing goes on for just another few years, the Russians will collapse, the Ukrainians will take their territory back, and everything will go back to the way that it was before the war.
That is not the reality that we live in.
If this thing goes on for another few years, we could have, you know, societies collapsing.
The demographics of both of these countries are a nightmare.
You could have millions of more people killed if this thing goes on for another few years, and it can risk escalating into a nuclear war.
It has to stop.
It is the policy of this administration that it stops, and I guarantee you the president is having all of his people, including me, work very hard for that end goal.
Out of all the things that you guys are working on on a day-to-day basis, this might be one of the highest of moral significance, that and the southern border.
And you are the southern borders already secured, but brokering peace and making sure we don't get into a thermonuclear war, making sure that another Ukrainian generation is uneliminated is incredibly important.
Mr. Vice President, congratulations on 100 amazing days.
May this be a prelude for more accomplishments to come.
We have your back.
Thank you so much.
Sounds good, Charlie.
Thanks, man.
You bet.
Talk to you soon.
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Can you believe it's been 99 days?
It's been 99 days since I was in the Capitol Rotunda and I heard President Donald Trump say, so help me God.
That moment we knew that a new era in America was upon us.
A golden era.
President Trump has been moving at rapid pace towards national restoration.
This has been Without a doubt, the most exciting first 99 days in an administration's history.
The executive orders, one after the other, boom, no men and female sports.
Disparate impact, DEI, critical race theory, gone.
Drill baby drill.
Inflation, executive orders against inflation.
The executive orders were almost overwhelming the first couple of days.
Not to mention the pardons of the wrongly convicted January 6th individuals.
The pardons of the pro-life warriors.
The first week, you could fit almost an entire presidency into the first week of President Donald Trump.
And out of all the accomplishments that President Donald Trump is able to celebrate after 100 days, the greatest of which, the public policy accomplishment that gets no credit from the media, that does not even get a noticing from the media,
is what's happened on the southern border.
From having 10,000 to 15,000 people a day, let me say that again, 10,000 to 15,000 people a day going across the southern border, to nine in the entire spring.
A 99.99% reduction.
The border is completely empty.
Nobody wants to make the long trek from Nicaragua up just to be deported back to your country of origin.
We are no longer allowing it.
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President Trump sealing the southern border, if that's all he does in his presidency, buys us so much time to be able to deport people here on the interior, to be able to stop what the Democrats were attempting, which was the great replacement reality.
Rebalancing the diminishing sovereignty of our great country.
We are a nation-state again.
We are no longer an open, porous border colony.
The executive orders are almost too numerous to count.
And I want to go through some of them because it's easy to forget them.
Getting rid of all the DEI initiatives.
Designating English as the official language of the United States.
We got out of the Paris Climate Accord, the World Health Organization.
Of course, tariffs on China and the tariff situation is ever developing.
The establishment of Doge going after hundreds of billions of dollars away from our federal government.
The expansion of Gitmo to have over 30,000 high-priority illegals to be in Gitmo.
Designating the drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations.
Executive orders signed to get rid of the Department of Education and to send education back to the states.
Defunding of...
NPR and public radio.
Reduction from the federal workforce.
Tens of thousands of people being reduced from the federal workforce.
The revocation of over 100 Biden-era executive orders.
And that is just barely touching the surface.
He is the people's president, and he was elected to do a job.
But not everybody in the media agrees.
Some people in the media, including Brett Stevens, Are doing everything they possibly can to try to live under this cope that, well, Trump voters are regretting their vote.
Not from the people I talk to and not according to the polls.
Only 2% of Trump voters say they regret their vote, which is right within the margin of error.
When I go to these college campuses, our crowds are growing.
They are multiplying.
We are seeing the fervor and the energy and the spirit go up, not down.
Young men are actually more Trump supportive today than they were during the election.
And of course...
The bad guys are trying to enjoin us in court at every turn.
Whether it be the end of birthright citizenship, which we absolutely should end.
Ending of the weaponization of the Department of Justice against American parents, traditional Catholics, and conservatives.
So many prior Republicans gave up without a fight, without an effort.
Usually the first hundred days of a second term is, just check the box, do some ceremonial stuff.
This is a full-throated explosion onto the scene.
The most energy, the most ferocity of an incoming administration with so much momentum, and it is not slowing down.
But what does the opposition have to say?
Play cut 204.
Yeah, I mean, I think that my summary of the first 100 days is that the bad news is it's the worst first 100 days in U.S. presidential history.
I can't think of a presidency that had it worse.
But the good news, I think, for the country is it's the worst.
First 100 days in U.S. presidential history.
Precisely the reason that you suggest, Bill, which is that a lot of the country that voted for President Trump because they didn't like the course of the country under his predecessor, because they were mad, because they thought stuff needed to be broken up and disrupted,
are waking up to the reality of just how much worse it can get.
First of all...
Brett Stevens is supposedly a smart guy for the New York Times.
And nobody challenged him.
Wait, hold on.
Let's take your first premise.
You're trying to tell me that President Donald Trump's last 100 days is worse than George W. Bush overseeing the Iraq War.
It's worse than Barack Obama and the financial crisis of 2008-2009 when unemployment was 11-12%.
The stock market was down 25%.
You're trying to tell me it's worse than Joe Biden during the midst of lockdowns, COVID, mass mandates, and vaccine mandates.
Not only is it not the worst that I could think of in American history, it's not even the worst of the last three presidents that are not named Donald Trump.
When George W. Bush was overseeing a debacle of a war in Iraq and a debacle of a boondoggle in Afghanistan.
Borrowing tons of money that we do not have.
Lying to the American people.
Displacing millions of people of their lives.
Obama, in the midst of the worst economic catastrophe that we have seen.
And they say Donald Trump is the worst 100 days.
Someone should look Brett Stevens in the eye.
That smug, neoconservative globalist Brett Stevens.
And say, do you even care that we have a border again?
Or are you more worried about...
Invading Iraq, which honestly, Brett Stevens is the type.
He's the type of slippery creature that cares far more about invading foreign lands than securing our own.
But secondly, he says, well, Trump voters are waking up.
They are waking up in one regard, Brett Stevens.
They're waking up to how much we've actually achieved and accomplished.
Border secured?
We want more of that.
Price of eggs down?
We want more of that.
Oil down?
We want more of that.
Manufacturing jobs coming back to America?
We want more of that.
Rapists being taken out of our country?
We want more of that.
Trendy Aragua being extinguished?
We want more of that.
MS-13 disappearing?
We want more of that.
But the media cannot bring themselves to the conclusion that President Trump's first 100 days, whether it be disrupting the CDC, putting Bobby Kennedy in, putting Kristi Noem in, putting Cash Patel in, putting Dan Bongino in, it is such a threat to their worldview.
And their new talking point is how many Trump voters regret their vote?
There is no basis for this in the data or in the ground.
And by the way, it's completely irrelevant.
It's irrelevant because we're 100 days into a presidency that's already achieving landmark victories.
And Bret Stephens should just be shamed for such an idiotic statement saying that, oh, this is the worst 100 days in American history that I can think of.
And now we are in a place where we can look back and we can say we have a president that is fulfilling the mandate with personnel, with policy, with executive orders, and it's just getting started, everybody.
That is the first 100 days of what's going to be a long and phenomenal presidency where we will achieve American greatness, fix the problems of Joe Biden, and we are just getting started.
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Let's go to this piece of tape here.
First, Rachel Naddow.
She says the first 100 days were in the middle of an attempted authoritarian overspending.
overthrow of American democracy.
Really, how is that, Rachel?
I'd love the chance to dialogue with her.
I would love that.
Didn't he win an election?
So how do you overthrow democracy if you actually won an election?
Playcut 168.
I do think we're in the middle of an attempted authoritarian overthrow of American democracy.
I mean, I think everybody who predicted that was right, but I don't think he's any better at it.
What do they mean by democracy?
When they say our democracy, our democracy, our democracy, they mean our oligarchy.
They do not believe the will of the people should dictate or determine public policy decisions.
They do not believe.
That people should be able to show up at a voting booth and fill out ballots and be able to get what they want.
They believe that a philosopher king or a philosopher queen class should be permanently entrenched to really kind of...
Check and balance and call the shots.
They believe the smug class, the we are smarter than you class, should be distilled in the unelected bureaucracy and the unelected judiciary.
Those two pieces work in tandem against the American people.
They work against the sovereign.
They work against the everyday person that showed up to vote for Donald Trump.
The border is completely secured.
That is one element where thankfully we went through the courts in the first term that we were able to say, you know what, we now know how to close the southern border.
President Trump deserves the highest possible recognition and achievement prize for closing the southern border from the invasion that was occurring.
Play cut 150.
Look, I think we've been very successful, and we got the most secure border in the history of this nation, and President Trump was able to accomplish that in seven weeks.
That's something that Joe Biden didn't and wouldn't do in four years.
In fact, it was an intentional decision of Joe Biden to keep the border wide open.
This idea of our democracy under attack, understand what is really happening here, is the ruling by experts.
Significantly has their power compromised.
Plato once dreamed of a society ruled by philosopher kings.
He believed that they would be wise and virtuous leaders who would govern not for their own personal ambition, but for the good of the people.
When they say our democracy, that noble vision has been twisted beyond any recognition.
We are not ruled by philosopher kings, and we're not ruled by the people, but instead by an expert class of unelected bureaucrats, credentialed elites, and self-anointed authorities on issues that matter.
Their rule is not based on virtue or on truth, but on the arrogant presumption that technical knowledge alone entitles them to power.
The technocrats and entitled elites that have entrenched themselves into what we call the deep state, the unelected bureaucracy, and the unelected judiciary.
And the buried lead of the first 100 days is that Donald Trump has done everything the people wanted, and these other institutions are doing everything to thwart the will of the American people.
At every single corner and every turn.
The American people want more deportations?
Too bad.
The judges say no.
The American people want no more DEI?
Too bad the judges say no.
Every day the American people demand certain accomplishments and victories.
And they ask the question, what kind of structure of government is this?
What structure of government allows an unelected bureaucracy to get in the way of we the people?
And so where is democracy actually getting threatened?
By unelected federal court judges with nationwide injunctions.
Not just doing localized injunctions, but nationwide injunctions.
Where is the will of the people actually getting thwarted?
By every single day there are people in the Department of Education, Department of Interior, Department of Commerce, and the CIA, and the FBI trying to undercut all of our people.
Every day there are people that go to work and they think to themselves, how do I make...
This cabinet secretary's life harder.
How do I make their life hell?
How do I undercut them?
How do I undermine them?
Not serve the country, but how do I make sure that what the people want does not actually become a reality?
You beg the question, what system of government do we have actually?
The American people are cheering for an American renaissance.
And the deep state and the unelected judiciary are trying to stop it.
And that's the story of the last 100 days.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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