THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 76 — Cannibal Democrats? Subscription Services? VR Prisons?
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Welcome to Thought Crime Thursday.
We are live, is that correct?
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Alright, so don't anyone say anything you're going to regret.
We got Jack, we got Tyler, we got Blake.
What is our first topic today?
Our first topic tonight, Charlie, Jack really wanted us to hit this.
Swattings.
Jack, I think you have the details on this.
Hey, there's something I actually know.
Well, there's been some reports about some bad actors going on and targeting.
It seems to be...
Conservative influencers or a group of people, you know, sort of associated with conservative politics.
One is a host at Infowars, Chase Geithner.
This, of course, comes, or Geiser.
This comes on the heels, of course, of, I believe it's a separate incident, but, of course, a horrific murder of...
A, an Infowars staffer a couple of days ago in Austin, but then also, and this is, you know, kind of new to me, I'm just coming to it, but Sean Farash, Gunther Edgington, and potentially others, people are asking, texting me, saying, hey, are you guys okay?
And my parents, people know, were SWATed.
A year ago at Christmastime, and since then, the individual who did that, I was going to pull up the case a second ago, I was just looking it up, was actually found and extradited to the United States.
It was actually a foreign case, but I guess this guy thought that he could get away with it, but he could not, and so it seems to me there's another round of swattings that's going on.
Right now, and honestly, it's something where, I'll just put it like this, this needs to be looked at for what it is.
The reason that these are done is because they want the police to go in there, guns blazing, they want to generate, particularly when you're targeting conservatives, a lot of us are gun owners, a lot of us are...
Strong enthusiasts in exercising our Second Amendment.
I know I certainly am.
And so they want to create a situation that could lead to a potential fatal incident or fatal harm.
So when I look at these swatting incidents...
They could go sideways very quickly.
Now, of course, what's great with my situation is that we've been very, very close with law enforcement.
Our law enforcement has been great in terms of this, in terms of their response, once you realize what was actually going on.
But this needs to be looked at from a federal level.
And we've got Kash Patel over at the FBI. We've got Pam Bondi at the Attorney General's office.
And by the way, I've always said this, and I've been very clear about this.
I don't care what side of the political eye you're on.
This is something that...
This is why doxing is so evil.
This is why swatting is so evil in general, because it can lead to...
Killing.
It can lead to fatal outcomes.
If someone's not getting knocked at the door, they don't know what's going on.
People do a no-knock rage, these types of things.
So sometimes they go very smoothly and sometimes they don't.
And it's happened in the past.
Or someone who doesn't know what's going on answers the door.
All sorts of things can take place.
So, look, I'd say this to anybody, though, who's in this situation or if you think you might be in a situation like this, make sure you be proactive.
Call local law enforcement.
Get on the books with them.
Find out whoever's running the shift on there and tell them, hey, I might be a potential target of this or this might be something that's going on.
Try to hopefully have some friends in your local community and local law enforcement.
I know I certainly do, and that's something that helped us a lot.
And there's also, by the way, I'll say this as well.
There are services out there.
So a lot of these pull from those publicly available databases.
Everybody knows about them where you can look up people's addresses and things like this online.
Well, there are actually services that you can get and pay for.
I'm not advertising any here, but just go and look into it yourself where you can go and get it.
And it's a little bit of money, but it's not that much money actually at the end of the day where they can run real-time monitoring and actually get your information pulled down from those websites on a rolling basis.
Sometimes if it gets leaked somehow, and it includes, by the way, other PII, like email addresses, phone numbers.
You can get family members on there, etc.
So I get that.
I pay for that for my family, and that's something that's helped us really, really well get it down from those public sites.
It works great.
I would just highly recommend that to anybody who's worried about this.
We had an event recently and someone came up threatening and literally reading off my home address, like threatening us live on air there in front of a lot of people.
So it's a real problem.
Blake, how do we solve this?
Because it's a legitimate issue.
So I'm looking it up now just as an example because we did that case where they extradited some individuals for swatting and they got these two guys, a guy from Romania and a guy from Serbia.
Their list of code names that they used for communicating.
They charged them with conspiracy.
They charged them with 29 counts.
Blake, I think that's the ones who targeted my parents.
Yeah, it might be.
They had targeted other people, it looks like.
So it would not have just been then.
But they had 29 counts of threats and false information regarding explosives and 4 counts of transmitting threats in interstate and foreign commerce.
And I imagine if these guys are convicted, they could get...
You know, several years in prison, but I think the way you crack this down, you crack down on this for good is you catch someone doing this and you say, your goal was to have someone get shot by police.
We are charging you with attempted murder.
Enjoy 40 years in prison.
And the federal government should do it.
You do it to one person and after that, they are the example where everyone thinks, I'm not going to swat someone because my stupid feud on the internet is not worth 40 years in prison.
I completely agree.
And that's what it is.
It is attempted murder.
Tyler.
What if we take everybody that wants to SWAT people and we put them in ICE and we have them target illegals?
Or what if we made them live training dummies for SWAT training?
That's getting dark.
Anybody that wants to send police to someone's house in tactical gear.
Why don't we just make them a part of it?
You know how they rehabilitate former criminals and sometimes they put them in intelligence communities?
Just put them in and then go after illegals.
I will say this too.
It seems to be a predominantly on the right problem.
I don't know a lot of left people.
I think this was bipartisan for a time.
I just have to compliment the police forces, though.
The police forces, praise God, they've been going in a lot more restrained, and they're getting prepped on this, and they are getting, for example, where our headquarters is, and everyone can figure that out, we've sat down with police, and we're on a list that if there's ever a crisis call, they have to call back and be like, is it actually a...
Which actually makes...
Things more dangerous.
God forbid there was ever a crisis here on the Turning Point campus.
Now the police are wondering, are they going into an actual crisis or is this a prank?
Does that make sense?
It does.
I feel like in real life, if that were to happen, the benefit we have is we have a good number of people here.
They would get 15 911 calls in a minute.
We have 45 firearms here.
Exactly.
That also.
We got a lot of weapons.
The whole tech team there.
They could defend Taiwan if China got too aggressive.
We just call them up.
We don't need police protection.
The weaponry in our tech team.
Have you seen what they got there?
They got stuff I haven't even heard of.
We just call up the police and we're like, yeah, we actually don't need your help, but we do need a cleanup crew here.
Ryan says, just send an ambulance.
To be clear, only to take them to the morgue.
That's the instruction, actually.
I actually have a theory about that, Charlie, about the right versus the left.
I think the left...
There's more people that want to hit famous people, and the famous people, for the most part, they already have plans like that that you're describing.
For most of those people, they know to call back, to double-check, do all that before they send somebody.
A lot of the people on the right that are kind of up-and-comer are a lot of influencers and things like that.
Aren't, like, known celebrities and things like that that haven't come up with those plans with the local law enforcement.
So I think it's easier for the left to go after kind of right-leaning influencers and, you know, our celebs and do that kind of thing.
I mean, I think it's repulsive, and I think the FBI should get involved.
I mean, I think it's an interstate.
It's almost always interstate.
It's almost never in the same state.
Is that correct?
Almost never.
And it's a growing and serious major issue.
I'm looking now, and one guy did get 20 years in prison.
There was a swatting in Wichita in 2017 where a man was angry over a beef in the video game Call of Duty World War II. And so he swatted someone, and that got someone killed.
So he got 20 years...
Yeah, it started with games, like video games.
Yeah, yeah, it started with...
The online games.
It's totally a thing that just comes from losers on the internet, basically.
Yeah.
But...
There's a lot of losers on the internet who care a lot about politics, too.
So they do destructive stuff like this.
But I think, yeah, the fix is you are an attempted murderer.
I think someone has gotten killed via a SWAT. Yeah, that's the Wichita one.
I don't know that a politics one has gotten anyone killed.
But I think police forces are getting better and better at...
Don't you agree?
But again, I want to just repeat this.
God forbid that there's an actual hostage situation or an actual crisis like this, and they go on not thinking it's real, and it is real.
I mean, it's bad for everybody.
I think it's even worse than attempted murder.
I think it's an act of terrorism.
I think that it's bad for the entire community, bad for the police force.
I know that might sound like an exorbitant statement, but the goal is absolutely to get people killed.
This is unreal.
A man in 2020 died of a heart attack while police were hitting his house, and the swatting was done against him in an attempt to force him to give up his Twitter handle, at Tennessee.
And this is sick stuff.
Sickos out there, man.
They are crazy, demented individuals.
But are they as crazy and demented as the next thing we're going to talk about?
Let's go to that.
Let's go to that.
All righty.
All right, Charlie.
We got this hot off the presses from Charlie today.
This is made just for thought.
We had other topics in mind, but Charlie was like, no, we need to talk about this.
This is designed for thought.
This is not YouTube-friendly.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So this is a story out of, and of course it's Washington State.
Where, so what happens is, the town of Linwood, Washington, is that where Emma Kate is from?
We should find out.
Nah, it's just a Seattle suburb, of course.
Anyway, so the town of Linwood, Washington, has a city council, and they were going to appoint someone to a vacancy.
I guess it's a town where that can happen.
And they settled on an individual named Jessica Ann Roberts, 32 years old.
And they chose Jessica Ann Roberts over a military veteran who was also contending for the post.
And then after they made the announcement, a few people pointed out, wait, have you guys actually looked up this person or done any sort of background check?
You know, I think I'll just read the headline from the Post Millennial here.
Breaking.
Washington trans OnlyFans City Council appointee rescinds candidacy after cannibal fetish controversy.
That is a headline I don't think, like, ChatGPT could generate on its own.
I think that...
That's one only real life could create.
So, Jessica Ann Roberts was born Neil Vincent Roberts and has a hidden history as a sex worker that includes an uncontrollable desire to impregnate women and then eat them.
So, in other words, this guy was just too normal for the Democrat party.
Basically, everything was fine up until the cannibalism.
Is that the line?
I just want to be clear.
I think that was the line.
After the Democrat Party, everything was cool.
The tranny part, the OnlyFans thing, but the eating.
And it had to be close.
By the way, you have to look at it.
It's disgusting.
It had to be close because the Democrats are kind of in favor of eating unborn children, so it was probably that they wanted to eat the mom, too, that would put it over the line for them.
But yeah, we have some images of what they were saying, and I believe edited so that they're not...
Super duper horrifying here.
How about we put up 176?
So they found all the posts this guy was making on a subreddit, which we really need to quarantine Reddit in some capacity.
But this is a Reddit called slash vore, V-O-R-E, which I guess is short for carnivore or humivore.
Is there actually Reddits dedicated towards cannibalism?
Of course there are.
I'm sure.
But they did ban the one for supporting Donald Trump.
Of course.
So, you know.
R the Donald was awesome.
R the Donald.
It was great.
I got a lot of good content from R the Donald.
It's apparently worse than cannibalism.
I've never been able to.
Rest in peace.
Rest in peace.
I have not been able to find a similar synthesized community of, like, until our group chat.
You know.
Until I found.
So this is a post.
So it was the discussion Preds.
Predators, I think.
I got a question.
Okay, okay.
So how do you like your prey to react when they go down in and once they're in?
I assume in your stomach.
I want to get better just in case I find myself a snack.
And then I'm not sure if the OP is that guy or if this other...
Is it the other Aardvark guy who's this one?
I love scoping up random girls and taunting them about how they're going to fuel me, how their entire life built up to the moment where I snuff them out and use their fat and nutrients to become stronger.
Very healthy and normal and okay.
And they were like, yeah, this guy seems legit.
Let's put him on the city council.
Now, admittedly, they appear to have not known about this, but I've got to admit, I feel like there were probably warning signs.
Possibly some sort of visible external sign that this individual was mentally unwell and perhaps in the grips of delusions and insanity of some kind.
I wonder what could have given away.
What could have...
Nah, there must not have been anything.
There's probably no way to see this coming.
We can't really blame the city council for this, can we?
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Get it?
Delicious.
Yeah, you know, I mean, it's like the great line.
They always used to go after Trump for this, for saying, you know, he's talking about illegals, but he always used to bring up Hannibal Lecter on the campaign trail saying, you know, Hannibal Lecter, he wants to have you for dinner, and talking about the emptying of prisons, and he would sort of use this as a, you know, a sobriquet to explain sort of the insanity that was going on.
But Charlie, you know, I think it really goes to show you that when we talk about the insanity, That is perpetuated in the United States today.
And it makes me think of something we talked about last year in our book that we identified called the fried mental model.
And there's a lot of people out there that just have an absolutely fried mental model of the world.
Many of them are located in some of these places.
That are hotbeds of leftism, like a lot of the Washington area is.
This is the state of Washington, so you've got Seattle up there.
That's where CHAZ took place.
I witnessed just insane levels of depravity and degeneracy when I was there.
But, of course, you see it all throughout the Pacific Northwest.
And these sort of things used to be confined to those areas, but now because of the Internet and because of TikTok, these types of ideas, these types of social contagions, and these types of ideals, Are spread everywhere.
They're just all over the place.
And so it's almost like they sort of have a race to the bottom that's going on because leftist politics actually incentivizes this kind of behavior in certain ways.
So that in order to be more risque, in order to be more taboo against the social order, you must push yourself to further and further extreme behaviors.
And that's exactly what you have.
Because you can't take out the fact, right?
You can't take out the fact.
Only fans, trans, cannibal, fetish.
But also that this thing was running for office.
Also views all of that through the political lens.
So in leftist politics, these types of things are inseparable.
They are inseparable from leftist politics.
I have a question.
This is a feature.
This is not a bug.
If you were to argue from a left-wing perspective.
What argument could you make that eating human beings is wrong?
By what standard?
I actually, I don't think you can.
I mean, if two people love each other very, very much and one of them agrees to go into the other's tummy...
Well, so let's just kind of play out with all the kind of one-liners I hear on campus.
Well, Charlie, it doesn't impact you.
They say it causes suffering.
What if the person's already dead?
What if you go to a morgue and you strike a deal?
And you're like, I'm just going to take, you know...
A leg.
A weak.
Just could be deceased.
You know, why, under the leftist worldview, is that wrong?
You got me.
No, I mean this non-circuit.
Of course, we as conservatives think the body is sacred and it's disgusting and wrong and repulsive and evil to consume a fellow human being.
Otherwise, besides all the other legal...
I'm just saying, morally...
What is the left-wing objection to cannibalism?
To go even further, I don't think they could even articulate that the fact that someone would have this fetish that they want to eat someone, that this indicates something is wrong with them when it clearly does.
I mean, there's all sorts of stuff.
Even his public...
Oh, wait.
This, I guess, is his OnlyFans account.
Jessica had an OnlyFans account.
A bisexual trans woman with itty-bitty...
And a big girl...
I'm told R. The Donald is back, by the way.
Oh, is it?
It says Ask The Donald.
It's not the same.
Oh, that's totally different.
That's not the same.
I follow it.
So they have Patriots Win is like a separate website they set up.
Forget it.
Oh, and of course this guy...
Oh, this wasn't even highlighted in the article.
He's also basically like...
I enjoy being a professor, teacher, or babysitter who reluctantly disciplines the children.
This person should be locked up.
By eating them?
I guess, yes.
That's this Hansel and Gretel thing.
But to Charlie's point, I mean, this is what's happened.
The creep, I mean, it's literally on all their flags now.
Like, just add...
Just add the cannibalism to it now at this point.
These people are absolute freaks.
They're mentally ill.
There's no difference.
And you can see even in that, to what you just read, there's this weirdo crossover between all this stuff that they've tried to normalize into literally murder and cannibalism.
I mean, they're talking about murder.
That's what they're talking about.
In every single one of those posts.
Do you think that there is a...
Do you think there are many non-tranny cannibals?
I only know of one other case.
Of the cannibal community, what percentage are trannies?
It's gotta be higher.
No, Hannibal had some weird sexual stuff, though.
Was he trans?
Are we talking about Silence of the Lambs?
No, no, no.
The Buffalo Bill had the weird sexual stuff.
Oh, they did dress up, yeah.
No, no.
I think that there might be a...
There's almost a one-to-one here.
Yeah.
Now, I'm not saying all trainees are cannibals.
I'm asking the question, are all cannibals trans?
So now I'm looking up.
The only other major cannibalism case I know of, there was a guy in Germany who 25 years ago...
I put up an ad on Craigslist that was basically like, I want to eat somebody and I'm looking for a volunteer.
And a guy answered it and went to his house and was killed and eaten.
And the man is currently in prison.
So I'm trying to find out if he had any other tells, as it were.
Dahmer was for sure, in today's society, wouldn't have been gay.
He would have been trans.
I think I'm onto something here.
No, for sure.
I'm trying to think of the movie.
What's the movie where something happens?
Oh.
It was one of the Adam Sandler movies, and what's his face?
The actor kills somebody, or he's got a list from high school, remember, and he puts on the lipstick?
I haven't seen this.
It's Steve Buscemi.
Yeah, it's Steve Buscemi and Billy Madison.
It's not quite cannibalism, but it's murderous, weirdo traits where you have that crossover.
I think Charlie's right.
Deep down, every single cannibal is probably trans.
We don't have a lot to go off of.
The cannibal community is not yet a...
We're going to have cannibal rights.
I am curious that at the DNC 2028, when they nominate just like AI, I think that's what they're going to do, by the way.
I think it's AI 2028. I think they're going to nominate an algorithm.
I'm not kidding.
I think...
I don't want to be me, Charlie, but I feel like we're probably closer to, like, do you think if they made a perfectly, if they came out and they're like, this AI perfectly replicates Donald Trump, like, quite a few people would probably want to vote for that.
I wouldn't.
What I am saying, though, is that if they even entertained Pete Buttigieg, they would totally vote for an algorithm.
That's fair.
That's fair.
Pete Buttigieg is a man who, when he was, like, 16 years old, he made the list of, like, everything he had to do to become president, and he's been sociopathically executing it ever since.
The fact that he's even entertained as a serious contender.
That's like Sam Altman created him.
Yes, yeah.
I think Sam Altman's first project was Pete Buttigieg.
Then he did OpenAI.
Yeah.
Anyway.
And then he did this guy?
Yes, evidently.
So I guess at the Democrat 2028, when they say, you know, OpenAI 2028, will we have a cannibal rights section on the floor?
I mean, I feel like they should.
I feel like that would only be fair.
But who are we to judge their dietary habits?
Yeah, exactly.
By the way, it would help with the depopulation problem.
It would save space in cemeteries.
It would.
It would really increase the amount of utility in the world.
Utilitarianly, we should, in fact, mandate cannibalism.
So every cannibal deep down is a tranny and a democracy.
It's kind of like recycling.
You know, it's like recycling, you know?
Well, yeah, I mean, so, but if your whole goal is about saving the environment, to Blake's point, look at all that protein and nutrients that otherwise could be going to nourish.
Yeah, this would have to be the most moral type of meat out there.
But think about it, if we want to no longer have carbon emissions because of farting cows or because of all the industrial farming, you know, there's millions of people that die in America every single year.
That could feed starving children.
So are they Green Party?
Blake, have you ever heard of the scientific idea of a generation spaceship?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I've read some theories about that where in a generation ship...
So guys, that means the possibility for interstellar travel because it takes so long to travel there at sub-late speeds.
that you would have multiple generations of families living on the ship before it gets from one planet to the other.
And that one of the potential uses for the older generation that dies would then be for their bodies and protein to go into like either, you know, creating like a biosphere type thing on the ship or go into some sort of like hydroponic thing or be able to use in the ship's energy, creating like a biosphere type thing on the ship or go It's kind of like a matrix sort of thing.
I don't know.
It's just it's just something.
All kidding aside, we'll get to the next segment.
In the Christian tradition, we believe the body is sacred.
And that's why we believe Christ actually took human flesh.
We believe we're actually going to be resurrected again one day, that the human body should not be trivialized, that there's something special about it, that you were made in the image of God, not in the image of the Big Whopper.
That's right.
But as we become less Christian, I'm telling you, cannibalism very well might pop up.
Again, we could all joke about it.
The sarcasm actually is laced in, I want a liberal to come on and tell me, by the liberal standard, What is the argument against cannibalism?
We might need to have our first liberal on thought crime just to probe this question.
We can't say more about it, but we should find that guy who was at University of Tennessee today.
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I won't spoil anything.
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Jack, you are going to love this one.
This one has the opportunity.
I don't want to be too...
Has the opportunity to be one of those viral things I've ever done.
That's all I'm going to say.
I think it will.
Okay.
We'll need to do that, Charlie.
Hey, Blake, based on what you heard, it's pretty juicy, right?
It sounded pretty amazing to me.
All right.
I've got to say that.
Next segment.
All right.
Next thing.
This is kind of a wild card one, but this is going viral this week.
And it's kind of a funny thing.
So, you know...
You know Curtis Yarvin?
We've had him on the show before.
One of his fun ideas is he said, like, you know, we're going to punish criminals and we're going to punish them by putting them in virtual reality prison.
So we have much better virtual reality tech now.
We get those goggles you can put on and you can go to the Facebook Magical World and hang out with people.
Do people do that, by the way?
Is that, like, a thing?
It is a thing.
I've never done it.
How is that, like, different than, like, Age of...
I mean, whatever the thing is.
Well, it wasn't super successful, but...
What was that game I used to play?
Age of Empires?
No.
No, I'll think of it.
Keep talking.
But anyway, so it's more and more advanced.
Oh, RuneScape.
Is that still around?
Yes, it is.
Yes, it is.
It will never die.
I'm sorry.
Keep interrupting.
I somewhat remember RuneScape.
There's still people who play World of Warcraft like eight hours, you know, 40 hours a week.
No, I know that still exists.
Well, the original, you go way, way back.
You go to the original Warcraft and Starcraft.
Well, those are strategy.
But anyway, so this is all teeing up that...
There are prisons in, I believe, in California.
They have a thing in the Central California Women's Facility they're doing this.
But there's reports now.
They have prisons where they're giving inmates access to virtual reality gear and they can use this to go outside the prison, basically.
And according to the reporting that is coming out, offenses by these prisoners have gone down 96%.
And so...
Is virtual reality prison our future?
And if it is, is that a good thing?
Because it seems like they might be having a good time with it.
I don't know that we want to reward Anders Breivik or the cannibal guy with lifelong fun times in VR for being bad dudes.
But if it helps with rehabilitation, it's a choice one way or the other.
Would you go to VR prison?
What is actually on their VR? So the description in this article that I'm looking at in The Guardian that came out a few days ago is this woman is in a women's prison in California, but it says two and a half years into a five-year prison sentence, this woman was about...
Samantha Tovar was about to see Thailand for the first time.
And so she puts it on and she basically goes on a virtual tour of stuff in Thailand.
Let me just pause.
I've used these virtual reality things.
I don't think they're that good.
I mean, have you seen?
The tech is not there yet.
AI might make it better.
I've used them once and it was at the Hillary Clinton's DNC in 2016. Facebook was there.
So it's been a while.
Yeah, so it's gotten better since then.
Nine years ago.
Have you seen the sporting events?
Are they any good?
So now they've got this...
Whole thing where you can put on the VR and you're like on the sidelines sitting in the stadium.
I know, but is it any good?
Yeah, it looks really nice.
Is it really?
Yeah, yeah.
And they've got this whole, actually, they've got this whole restaurant in California now where it's like a VR restaurant where it's like a big screen.
You're inside it and you feel like you're in the stadium.
No, that's different.
I know, but it's like the same.
I like that.
But the goggle thing bothers me.
Well, I think after a while you feel the goggle, you know, and it's like, I don't think your mind can get past the fact.
That you're wearing something that's on top of yourself.
I, at least, here's where, somebody once told me recently, they said, my relative, my uncle or whatever, works all day, gets home, and just puts on his goggles and spends four hours with them.
I think that's like deeply unhealthy.
Oh, I started, this started coming up because I started watching this.
There's some weirdo, I don't, I want to get off the trans thing, but there's like a, the furry community has all moved onto VR. Oh dear.
Oh really?
I saw this, and it's creepy.
There has to be a pipeline from people who are furries to the cannibal community.
If you think you're a tiger, if you're like, I like to pretend I'm a tiger, that tigers aren't eating vegetables.
That's what they're doing.
I think that's exactly right.
So we should put all mentally ill people...
I think it's...
Let's talk about...
Forget jail.
Mentally ill people should all be on VR. Doing mentally ill stuff.
Well, that gets back to the bigger thing.
Well, this guy's a cannibal fetishist.
Would it be okay to make an extremely detailed VR simulation of him eating those kids?
Probably not.
I guess the question is, what is the purpose of prison?
Is it to punish or to...
Well, the truth is, it's kind of all of this.
It's partly to punish.
It's partly to rehabilitate.
It's partly just to protect the public from future crimes.
Yeah, I mean, so if it's all about protection, prison is such a joke.
Now, these prisoners get video games, like, all day long.
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But Bannon said his experience wasn't that good, Jack.
I don't think he had video games and sports.
So I don't know.
Every prison is different, right, Jack?
I know.
I mean...
If you did have video games, I don't think you'd be playing them.
I mean, look, you know, it also depends on where you're at.
There's different places.
Peter Navarro, Dr. Navarro was in sort of a work camp situation.
It depends on who you're in with.
I mean, look, prison is prison.
Like, I'm not going to say that it's not, you know, something that it isn't, right?
You know, it's not this...
And coddled collegiate atmosphere or something like that, like a community college or a dorm or something.
But the idea, though, is that there's way too much.
Look, I'll talk about what I know about.
So when I served a year at Guantanamo Bay, and that's based off of the Federal Correctional Institutes, and we had some areas there where they had apartments with kitchens.
No, that was for, like, extremely good behavior.
But, yeah, you could have, like, an apartment and a kitchen.
You could, like, cook your own food.
Like, a single apartment.
And you could, like, walk around even.
It was amazing.
So, Blake, are you in favor of VR headsets for problem children?
Man, it's going...
I'm not entirely sure.
So, for example, I've never used a VR headset for...
I've played video games, even though I know you.
You don't care for them.
I don't.
I won't play them with a headset, because to me, there's something fundamentally off about being totally dead to the world that way.
You're jumping fully into it, and you're disengaging from reality.
To me, that is a step up from just like, oh, I'm holding a controller on the couch.
Very different.
But it's going to be a bigger and bigger question, because the tech for this is only going to get better overall.
And as one of you said, AI is going to increase its potential a lot, because you can use that to auto-fill in all the details in it.
So it's going to get more and more realistic, and there's going to be people who spend more and more of their time in it.
And I guess I have to say, it feels like this is probably one of the best use cases for it, is someone in prison.
It has been pointed out that prison can be bad enough.
It makes a lot of people worse.
They kind of go nuts there.
And if you can use VR to make them relatively more normal or more sedate, it's probably not the worst use case for it.
And it might even be cheaper.
Is it immoral to basically in the water supply to put estrogenic material in a men's prison?
It feels like it probably would be yet.
I mean, it would make them less violent.
It would make them more compliant.
It would make them, like, less likely to kill each other.
I'm more old-fashioned.
I feel like if someone has done a crime where you think that's worth doing to them, you should just snip, snip.
So, let's put the estrogen example aside.
Should we, if a prisoner wants muscle relaxers on a daily basis, should we give them that?
For the purposes of...
I mean, how is it different than a VR headset?
Hmm.
I'm not sure.
As you say, it's like, what do we use prison for?
That's what I'm saying.
I mean, if the goal is just to protect the public and, you know, they're not learning helpful skills, just give them a bunch of valiums and muscle relaxers.
There's some people that would want to just do that.
I mean, there's...
The problem is then you're enticing people to want to go to prison, which is the whole argument against those things in the first place.
Well, yeah, and so then all of a sudden it's like, yeah, prison's not that bad.
Yeah, prison is just really like a lifetime stint in a web cafe.
Basically every 55-year-old man that gets divorced later in life would be like, I'm just going to go to prison.
Just sell this thing out for the next 20 years.
Yeah, I mean, that's definitely...
I mean, there's a huge amount of population that exists of like homeless people and just down in the dumps people.
And then you get to the other argument is, you know, is that better than someone doing something drastic?
But that's why people got institutionalized for this stuff.
We should bring asylums back.
This whole anti-asylum movement has been a disaster.
Hotel California, reopen it.
That's the difference between institutionalization versus prison.
There's people that probably should be in that realm because that's basically what they did was just hop them up and kept them alive.
It's very funny.
One of the quotes in this Guardian article is this person who says this Ortega guy was using the headset and was viewing the Eiffel Tower, basically.
A transformative scene for Ortega was sitting around the Eiffel Tower.
You see tourists, regular people, going to and from work, he said.
And that's when it hit me.
I want to live life like that.
I deserve it.
I owe it to myself.
On the one hand, it's good he reached this realization he shouldn't do crime.
On the other hand, I feel like he was able to see people doing things like that In real life, and apparently that didn't make the impression on him.
He had to do it in the VR video game to actually experience this.
There's something very bizarre about that.
What if you used the headsets, but you had to force them to do just educational stuff, like go through museums?
Or do extremely tedious stuff.
You have to mow a lawn that the grass grows back instantly.
You have to pull weeds.
Endlessly do it.
You have to do everything, your mop vacuum.
Pull weeds.
Admittedly, if we think VR is wrong, might be not great, even if it's nice.
It's probably really wrong to use VR to torture people.
Take out the trash can every week.
I think what we should do is we should go test out the new VR stuff.
I think that's what we should do.
I think a thought crime episode, we should do that.
Thought crime in VR. That's exactly right.
I'm going to get us some good stuff.
I'm going to get all the meta stuff for us.
Oh, yeah.
That's a good idea.
We have to ride the wave of us being able to do that as long as we can.
We could have an episode where people could actually VR into the show.
I don't know if this is super popular.
Yeah, we could do a VR where the audience is there if they're all in VR things.
I mean, I don't know.
I'm not a believer that VR... I mean, I'm looking at the meta website right now, and the technology looks pretty impressive.
At the same time, I look at...
I mean, look at this.
This looks like indecipherable than a 2006 video game.
Or like a bad Pixar movie.
A lot of them are bad.
You know what I'm saying?
I bought Brooks for Christmas.
It was a couple years ago, but I bought him a meta headset, whatever it was called before that, that was the Palmer thing.
Oculus.
I bought an Oculus, and the games were so unplayable.
Oh, oh dear.
You see, if we were in VR, that wouldn't have happened.
So they, it was so unplayable, and it was just like, it was like boxy.
It looked like it was like Lily Nintendo 64. I was like, this is, why would you play a normal game?
It kind of feels like...
The Wii?
Is the Wii still around?
I mean, it exists, but it went out of production a decade ago.
Why?
The Wii was really popular!
Well, because technology advances, Charlie.
Evidently it doesn't!
Now kids have their Nintendo Switches.
Can we put this up on screen?
Can we put this screenshot I just had?
First of all, this has got all the DEI stuff all over it, but whatever.
So let's put this up.
It's called the Super Rumble.
That's not DEI. Those are just like people who aren't white.
Come on.
It's on the front page of the website.
I mean, come on.
Whatever.
You and I both know what's going on.
So it's called the Super Rumble or Super Crumble or Super Dumble.
It's probably Super Rumble.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm trying to...
There was one game, like, the funnest game that they had on VR were the dumb ones, and there was, like, a lightsaber game.
Yeah, they did a Star Wars VR. The best thing was Nintendo Wii with that little...
No, it was like that, but you went through...
It was like Fruit Ninja, kind of, with lightsabers.
We brought church to the metaverse?
Oh, dear.
I don't want to know the theology of that church.
Guarantee you it's a little shaky.
Yeah, you know.
And when Jesus said, you know, I am the vine, he meant the vines that were on Twitter back in the day.
I do think that VR is cool for things where you can't be somewhere.
So, for example, if you're across the world or across the country and you're really old and you can't get to your kid's baptism or some play, recital or something, the future of that is grandpa can put on a headset and feel like he's there.
I think that's cool.
I just don't think we're there yet, right?
Like, that doesn't exist.
I think they were trying to sell that.
They were trying to sell that on TV. I think it was a commercial.
I'm not a believer yet in the technology, so we'll see what happens.
All right, next topic.
All right.
Wait, what is our next topic?
Crap, I just forgot.
Save me, Angelo.
What was our next topic?
No, no, no.
There was Daylight Savings, but there was another one before.
Oh, Love is Blind.
We wanted to revisit that.
No, this is an important one.
First of all, I have to really plead ignorance.
Do people watch this?
Millions of people watch it.
This is incredibly popular.
With goggles on.
I don't know about goggles.
Why would they not watch it with VR on?
I mean, VR goggles are expensive, Charlie.
So Love is Not Blind if you have VR? Not everyone took out PPP loans.
By the way, imagine the market.
They should hire me.
It should not be called Love is Blind.
It should be called Love is VR. And they would sell like 5 million of these things.
Okay, so...
This was, just to remind people, we covered this the other day.
She says, I watched every season except this one, and I repent of my sins.
I've never even heard of this show.
My wife has been watching this.
It was the first season of this around COVID time.
I remember it.
Is this on Netflix?
I believe so, yeah.
It's on Netflix.
It's on Netflix.
How does this show work?
I can explain it.
Please.
Real simple.
You've watched it.
You have.
And I've had to watch it because I'm like, I had to watch it.
I had no choice.
I'm trying to follow the storylines.
Trying to follow the storylines.
I have to admit it.
Trash TV is like, you know, it just goes on.
We'll get there.
We're going to.
But you have two people that they are.
You have two groups of men and women and they're in separate parts of the house.
And they have to go into rooms and communicate with each other through walls so they can't see each other.
And so they have to pick a match based off of their conversations.
And so they normally talk to a handful of people before they pick the person.
So it's like a death match.
Look at this.
This looks so dystopian.
It's basically like...
Look, it's in an octagon and everything.
It's like a sick twist on...
What was that old show called?
Where it was like match game or whatever.
The one that Jeffrey Dahmer went on or whatever.
Are we back to the cannibal?
No, but he went on this thing.
How many shows about cannibals do you watch?
No, this is like a thing.
Maybe it wasn't Jeffrey Dahmer.
He's known about the furries.
He's known about Dahmer.
They're going out the cannibals.
But this happens to be a crossover.
It's like one of those sick games where you don't see the person and you have to ask questions, but they do it for like days.
And then they decide to get married right away.
So you're in the pod for a long time and you just talk to people?
So it's like a telephone call?
More or less.
Do they type?
No, it's voice.
Love is blind is the idea.
So the idea is they interact only by voice and then they build affinity with people.
They can send each other GIFs and stuff.
But they can't send each other Instagram handles or anything?
No, I don't think they have phones.
I could be wrong.
I'm going to get blasted by...
Girls.
Okay, so there is a little bit of...
I've got to give them credit.
There's some creativity here.
It's still a complete waste of time, but we're getting closer to some redemptive value.
It's interesting for the viewer because you can always tell when somebody's not going to be a good match, but they think they're a good match.
And then you waste 45 minutes watching that happen.
And then they're like, oh, yeah.
And then you're like, oh, I can't wait for them to meet because they're going to hate each other when they meet.
Of course Love's Not Blind.
Who came up with this stupid idea?
Yeah, it's extremely dumb.
Okay, but it's...
Anyway, okay.
I feel it's important to remind people.
St. Paul said you should only get married if you have the overwhelming hots for somebody.
This last season...
I agree.
Sort of Solomon.
It's better to marry than to burn.
There was a guy who, like, looked...
You just knew he wasn't going to like the girl, and he saw the girl, and he's just trying to get out of it then because he committed to marrying her.
And so after he saw her, he's like, you could just tell.
He's trying to find a way, but he spent five episodes trying to get out of it.
Yeah.
Okay, so they talk, and then they commit to marriage.
Oh, yeah.
So, what happens if she's like a horse?
That's what I'm saying.
The guy showed up and he's like, I don't know if I really...
Like, below my standards.
And then he's trying to get out of it from that point.
Because then they have to go live together.
This is incredible.
Daisy just sent this to me.
I just want to read it quick.
They aren't supposed to talk about appearance, but one season a guy asked a girl, if hypothetically we met at a music festival, would I be able to put you on my shoulders easily?
That was smart.
But you can't ask height or weight.
You're not supposed to ask about it, or race either, I think.
You have to guess by their intonation.
Got it.
Their nasal.
So let me understand.
So then the...
The moment that we saw that went viral with liberal Becky was they never saw each other before that moment?
Do they only meet at the altar?
Do they meet in the days?
Is there a pre-meeting?
Daisy says, no, wrong.
She says, I'm typing.
So they meet one time before that?
There's a room where they meet, and I think they can propose at that exact moment.
They can meet if they get engaged.
They don't have to get engaged.
I think they just have to commit.
So the engagement allows them to meet the person they're going to marry.
Do some people call off the engagement after they meet them?
Oh, yeah.
Probably a majority.
And then they go on a trip together for a week or so.
Yeah, and they have to live together, which is also...
Yeah, of course.
So then they basically live together for a few weeks.
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So then at the altar, they decide what?
Whether to get married, I guess.
Let me understand this.
Before we get into the clip.
These two people invited their entire families on camera to have this public humiliation ritual based on something that might not happen.
They're sick!
I think they all have to meet the families.
No, but they invite them to the wedding.
That may or may not happen.
And all these people are like, yeah, we might be on camera and in front of 100 million people.
Well, a lot of these families meet them beforehand.
So during the time that they're hanging out before they get married, some of the families get overly involved.
You really know a lot about this.
A sibling will like...
I know this one specific couple because it was hilarious watching this guy see this girl and you could tell he was really into it, really into it, and they met and he's like, oh, that's not my...
I'm just amazed people still watch TV. The big picture here, which has to be brought up, is...
Are people who watch reality TV humans?
No, it's trash TV. This is 100% trash TV. We've got to get to the clip because we're crescendoing to the clip.
We're building.
It's an orchestra.
We're building.
We're flying down the trench.
I guarantee you most of our audience have never heard of this stupid thing before.
I guarantee you they have.
A lot of our audience has taken Hillsdale online courses.
We have an enlightened little...
Remnant of American society.
They're just going to read classic literature, pray the rosary.
I'm telling you right now, a little remnant.
They're studying Aristotle when half of the other audiences...
All right.
Tell us, chat, have you watched Love is Blind or at least heard of Love is Blind?
If you've ever heard of the show, email me, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Can I just...
Oh my gosh.
And if so, you should be taxed.
You're going to have somebody you guys are like, never!
No, I haven't.
No, but I want to make a pitch, though, to defend the people who have.
Including myself.
That have gone on the show?
No, there's just not very much good TV left.
Netflix is a barren wasteland.
So this is great.
So we turn to this because it's awesome.
No, they're cheap.
All they do is cheap stuff.
I use Netflix.
I used it for one thing, and then it got unuseful for Seinfeld reruns.
Yeah.
I think they still have it.
I bought them all during COVID. I was like, I gotta watch them.
Hulu has Frasier now.
So I got Hulu for Frasier and Seinfeld for Netflix and everything else.
Can we just pause how awful Netflix has become last five years?
It's terrible.
You guys should cancel the subscription if you're watching this crap.
It's such a waste of...
Have you canceled it?
No.
I do fine and I like Seinfeld.
For me, by the way, I don't want people to complain about their financial situation, which I'm not.
I'm very blessed if you're paying for Netflix.
I don't pay for a single subscription service.
For the record, I also used it.
To watch the Thanksgiving football game, of which they did a terrible job promoting.
There is no way you don't have a single subscription.
I mean, I have my Powerbill, but I don't have a streaming service.
My Powerbill is not a subscription.
I don't have Spotify.
You do not have a single subscription.
Like what?
Powerbill is not a subscription.
I'm going to make you download whatever that app is.
No free ads here for that.
Do they have ads on Netflix now?
I don't have Amazon Prime.
There's an app that looks up all your subscriptions.
I don't have Spotify.
I don't have...
See, I have all of these.
I'm like, I am streaming.
I don't have any TV. I have a million subscriptions.
I don't have Microsoft.
I got Fubu.
I don't have Microsoft Gaming.
I don't have any of the video game ones.
I got Hulu.
I got Netflix.
I got Amazon.
I got YouTube TV. I've made a bunch of people a lot of money.
I'm not in Dollar Shave Club or whatever that stuff is where they send you a razor every month.
Oh, I've got Amazon, Kindle.
I don't have Kindle.
I don't have Audible.
Brooks is on Xbox.
I've got Sirius XM. I'm with Andrew.
I hate not wanting to watch a sporting event and not having it.
I... And then that's why I Peacock.
I get these emails from Peacock.
I don't care about Peacock.
But Peacock takes the Big Ten, which is now Oregon.
The whole thing's all complicated.
Prime Video.
I will say Prime Video is good.
I agree.
Prime is great.
You know why I like Prime?
I could purchase movies I want to watch.
Yeah, and you keep them forever.
The best of all is YouTube TV. YouTube TV is the best.
Yeah, YouTube TV is good.
For live TV, it has great coverage.
Okay, so...
Back to the love is blind.
I can't believe you don't have a subscription.
I don't think that's crazy.
You don't have a magazine subscription?
That's like cannibalism.
Who reads magazines anymore?
I read magazines.
Are you a cannibal?
I'm not subscribed to any online websites, which is why I always have to figure out how to get around people's paywalls.
Why do you even have an email address?
Not gaming?
What?
Why do you have an email address?
Do you always play the game?
That's a subscription.
No, it's not.
It's free?
No, it's free.
Do you have TSA pre?
Nope.
Why would I need TSA PreCheck?
I almost got him.
That one is a subscription.
Almost?
No.
I don't.
What about Uber Plus?
No.
Uber Eats.
I take Uber only for turning point times where I have to fly and get to the airport.
That's it.
Uber Eats.
I don't think I've gotten a meal delivered by Uber Eats or DoorDash since I came to Arizona.
I've been here two years.
Blake has turning point eats.
It's a lot better.
Yeah, it's way better.
This is crazy.
I can't believe this.
This is how...
This is how one amasses capital as a millennial.
They avoid the 8 million different millennial consumption taxes.
Alright, that's me.
So, speaking of the show, I'm trying to understand.
So then let's play this piece of tape.
So let me understand.
So it all culminates with liberal woman and beta male dude kind of on the altar in this incredibly viral clip.
Let's play the longer clip and keep all of us live, guys.
Let's play it.
I love you so much.
But I've always wanted a partner to be on the same wavelength.
And so today I can't.
I love you so much.
And I know I want to stay with you and keep growing our relationship if you'll let me.
We'll see.
All of America.
No, no, no.
We got to keep playing it.
No, no.
That's not even the good stuff.
There's a couple more clips.
Yeah.
By the way, I would have told her to get out of here and cash my check from Love is Blind and go away.
All of America lost total respect for this dude.
He just looked like such a dude.
Apparently, they continued to date for weeks after this.
She was like, I can't get married now.
But they kept dating, which Daisy informs us of because she's a watcher of Love is Blind.
Okay.
Okay, do we have the kicker where she's sitting around her liberal relatives in the car?
Yeah.
I asked him, too, like what his church's views are.
And he said he didn't know.
And so then I watched a sermon online.
From his church?
About, yeah, sexual identity.
Okay.
And it was traditional.
I told that to Ben.
And he doesn't really have much to say about it, you know?
I want something to think about that stuff.
Sometimes I did wonder if it was surface, fun, carefree love that we had.
Equality, religion, the vaccine.
The vaccine.
The vaccine.
Of course, the vaccine.
So, I've commented on this extensively.
The guy is at fault here for A, not standing up for himself, B, not leaving her.
Jack, I know you're an avid Love is Blind fan.
What is your take on this?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I don't miss an episode.
Yeah, no, I mean, look, this kind of goes back to, you know, funny enough, like, it goes back to what I was saying in the other segment, where we've just got too many people in this country that have this fried mental model that are, like, over-socialized.
People are way too invested in politics into their personal lives.
They bring these things out and they bring these things up as if it's some kind of, like, deep-seated...
Commitment to them.
And look, I certainly want people to understand what's going on in their country.
But the idea that you're going to run your entire life over what someone's views on like BLM are or some kind of like – and if you're just like some normie, that's not actually a good situation for the country, right?
Like we don't want to be so over-politicized.
We want people to be getting married and having kids and sort of going on about their life and having their quality of life be somewhat stable and living in a system that's somewhat stable.
So the fact that politics in general is so mainstreamed, it just kind of shows how bad things have gotten.
Up until this point, you know, up through the 2024 moment, the 2020 moment, obviously.
Because in a stable society, you know, people are just kind of going about their lives.
And you're not going to be mixing politics with, like, a dating show.
Go back to, what was the old, oh my gosh, the dating show on MTV back in the day, like the original dating show.
The one that Sean Duffy was on?
Singled out.
Thank you.
Singled out.
Producer Foz got me in the chat.
And, like, you would never, ever hear anyone talk about politics on a dating show in the 90s.
It literally didn't exist.
It's like, what music do you listen to?
What movies do you like?
That's awesome.
You know, and just not a thing.
Yeah, and everyone's chatting.
That's Sean Duffy and his wife actually met on The Real World, which was the original reality TV show.
Rachel Campos-Tuffy and their incredible family and obviously incredible relationship that actually started on another reality show also on MTV called The Real World.
And The Real World did start to edge into the political and religious stuff, but not so much political.
That was like the whole point, I think.
They tried to put like a bunch of...
People who are different.
Because, like, Sean Duffy's season, just because I looked him up once, was, like, they had a person in their house, like, who, because Sean Duffy was, like, conservative at the time, and then, like, they had a person who was, like, had AIDS, so he was, like, you know, because this was the early 90s, and so that was much more taboo then.
But Jack's, right, like, the old dating shows were so much more, like, fluffy and just fun and stupid, right?
And, like, just, like, you never would get that deep.
That wasn't the point.
The Real World was their first real reality show.
Which really goes out the truth of this, which is the cosmic thing that's important, which is one, reality TV is actually fake, and two, people who watch reality TV should not be allowed to vote.
Sorry, Tyler.
Oh, yeah.
We're revoking it.
Now that I don't watch reality TV, yet I will continue my jihad against reality TV. There's no reality TV that is okay to you?
A decade ago, I watched a few episodes of Bar Rescue because I kind of enjoyed the part where he would explain how to run a bar correctly.
The business side of it was cool.
But then I realized it was all fake because I saw a preview for an episode.
And they were like, this bar is out of control.
And the owner was like a clearly staged shot.
She's like, why are you carrying it that way?
And he slaps a tray out of someone's hand.
I think the survival shows are fun.
I'm trying to think of the last reality TV show I've watched.
Is American Idol reality TV? I feel like that's a game show.
No, I would say no.
I don't even think The Apprentice is a reality TV. I disagree.
It's a contest show.
American Idol for four or five seasons was objectively a great show for teenagers.
American Idol was a good show the first five seasons.
It was a great show.
I think American Idol is cool.
We also had someone from our high school win.
You actually had to achieve something.
We had someone from our high school literally win.
What's her face?
I was here in Arizona.
Denny Wright says that I am a TV snob.
They are correct.
Snob is...
Almost overselling it.
I just don't watch TV. I like, even though it's a little bit fake too, Naked and Afraid and those ones, like the survival ones.
They're survival!
It's cool to watch.
What was the other one?
Are they going to die?
There's a cameraman next to them.
They're not going to let them die.
They don't let them die.
But they do lose a lot of weight.
That should be like today's fat camp.
That would be cool.
Angelo likes the gold-mining reality shows.
What are these shows?
Those are really bad.
I'm sorry, Angelo.
We're going to shame you.
Those are the ones on the History Channel where they would do Ice Road Truckers.
What was so done with Ice Road Truckers is the entire conceit of Ice Road Truckers is like, this is a super dangerous job.
The only reason to watch is, in theory, the ice could break and they would die.
But that never happens.
What's the point of all of this?
And Andrew says this, Blake, you play more video games than I watch TV, which is worse?
One, I don't think that's actually true.
And two, like, who cares?
Actually, probably watching TV is worse.
I actually think watching TV could be worse.
Yeah, like, you're just literally just there.
I think both are largely...
An inert, passive observer of everything.
I think they're both irredeemable.
What I will say is, the, uh, I think...
The CDC or whoever, when they were doing one of their obesity warnings, they were commenting on how much TV Americans watched, and they were suggesting you should be more active.
And one of their ways to suggest being more active for the truly hopeless watch 40 hours of TV a week was try playing video games instead because you at least move your hands.
I have a different take.
I think video games are worse because I think veg out TV when you're going to sleep or whatever, I think a lot of people do.
That doesn't take away as much other than your sleep, which is health concern.
Yeah, video games can have a ramp up.
Video games, you have to like go remove yourself from reality, sit in a box and be there.
And then the other thing with video games is this is like it's so lonely.
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Do you play computer games or do you play console video games?
I play some console games.
Not super often.
What?
Is Xbox still around?
It's still around.
I don't own one.
Is PlayStation still around?
PlayStation's still around, yeah.
What do you play?
So when kids say they play video games, what do they play?
Oh, that would vary a ton.
What's the most popular today?
Fortnite, probably.
What console is that in?
Those are on everything.
Nowadays, the big thing today is every game is on every system.
I play with Brooke.
Oh, because I grew up in a world where Halo was only on Xbox.
Yeah, yeah.
Only Nintendo games are like that.
And then I turned 18. I was like, this is a waste of time.
I'm going to go build something.
Well, Halo is still only on Xbox.
Really?
So that's not on PlayStation?
No, isn't that on PC now?
Well, it's maybe on PC. It's on PC. So not everything's on everything.
But can we play the Halo music?
It's really good.
Keep going.
Oh, I never played it.
Yeah, I haven't played it in 13 years.
We played Halo like it was our day job in high school.
That's how we played.
So is Call of Duty still around?
I'll play Call of Duty with Brooks.
So I play Call of Duty and I'm bad, but there's some fun games on there.
Yeah, there's so many now, and a lot of them I will deliberately avoid because they can be such an addictive time sink.
They play those paradox strategy games where you're just conquering the world, and people will play 5,000 hours of that.
I'll play with Brooks, like Madden, or a hockey game, because it's like 15 minutes, you sit down, you play a game, and you're out.
That's not Halo.
What is this?
No, play the original.
You know what I'm talking about.
Yeah, the Halo.
Yeah, seriously.
Even I know that.
By the way, the guy that wrote the Halo song is like a winger.
We talked about that once in this program.
In Vegas.
He didn't win, unfortunately.
He came in like fourth place.
The original Halo song.
Exactly right.
Okay, so what...
It's a Gregorian chant.
Martin O'Donnell.
Marty O'Donnell.
He came in like third or fourth place.
Trump's supporting Republican, by the way.
He's in Vegas.
This is good music.
You know why this is good music?
It feels like you're on a home screen.
Oh my gosh.
It feels as if you're going through settings.
It has that kind of aura.
We used to play all night long in my parents' basement.
We would sync up Xboxes and we would play what was that map?
Blood Gulch.
And I'm trying to think of the other one.
There was like Misty Mountain or something.
Oh, man.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I remember that one.
There was one called Damnation that we played.
I got to look this up.
That was incredible.
We played Capture the Flag.
People are now listing off random games.
And people are listing Age of Empires.
I do still play Age of Empires.
I'm going to tell you right now.
Which is still awesome.
I'm going to tell you right now.
Battle Creek.
Battle Creek.
Yeah, Battle Creek.
There was the big one, too.
Hang Em High was good.
Hang Em High was good.
But there was this one game.
This map, you can play on the new Halo because they have it and they just revamped it and redid all the originals.
Damnation, one flag, capture the flag.
Okay, so what is Roblox?
Roblox should be illegal.
I think it's like a platform so people can make games in it.
So is that on Xbox?
I think that's, again, it's on like everything.
A lot of kids get really into robots.
So what is the purpose of Fortnite?
What is the thesis?
Fortnite, the gimmick of it was it popularized, they call them battle royales.
And so the idea was a hundred people would be in a game at once.
Is this like the Leroy Jenkins thing?
No, that's World of Warcraft.
So this is like a hundred people would be in a game at once, which is way more like, you know, Halo, you could be like 4v4 at best, but this was, you can have a hundred people and it's called a battle royale.
So they go to only one is left.
It has other game modes they've added over time, too.
I know what makes it popular is, like, you can be, like, any character in it at this point.
So, like, you can be Spider-Man, you can be Mario, you can be, like, there's a million different characters that you can be.
Well, and now Call of Duty's doing that.
Yeah, exactly.
So, Call of Duty now, you can be a Ninja Turtle.
Great.
I just...
On Call of Duty.
That's crazy.
So, basically, my takeaway...
Is that nothing has really changed?
The same games are still basically the same popular games.
Yeah, but they're really nice now.
Dude, Charlie, I completely agree with you.
Oh, okay.
I made a point to Jack.
I've had the same thought.
Please, Jack, affirm me because I'm a stranger in the wilderness on this topic.
So my kids are kind of at the age where they're starting to get video game curious.
We don't have games in the house, but they'll like...
You know, we have like one of those smart TVs, and so they could see kind of like, you know, videos of people playing games, or they'll go through the store and look at games.
And you look at stuff, and you're like, okay, Minecraft is just a ripoff of Legos in 3D. Roblox is just a ripoff of Minecraft.
There's another one, actually Cernovich was telling me about it the other day, that his kids are into, and I looked into it, and I'm like...
This is just a ripoff of all the same games again.
And then when you go and look at the actual popular non-building things games, it's literally all the same characters that were popular in the late 80s, early 90s.
It's like, here's another Mario.
Here's another Sonic.
Here's another Ninja Turtles.
And on and on and on.
And it's like, the one...
I'll throw it out.
The only one that I've heard that's like...
Kind of new as Five Nights at Freddy's, which I'm not even going to get into right now.
But, like, the vast majority of games that you go out and see right now, like, just, you know, walking through the aisle looking, I'm like, wait a minute.
These are all the exact same games and characters that were around, like, 30 years ago.
What about...
But the only, like, they brought up the Battle Royale thing did change everything.
But other than that, there was, like, no changes.
But let me list it off.
Okay, so the most popular games of 2025. Call of Duty, I had that, and then...
I grew up.
Madden had that.
Final Fantasy VIII Rebirth, which existed.
EA Sports FC25, which I'm guessing is soccer.
And then Minecraft.
Literally nothing has...
And then Grand Theft Auto is...
GTA was huge when I was growing up.
Is that still popular?
Grand Theft Auto V is the most successful entertainment property of any kind of all time.
Well, it says Tetris is more popular.
No, they're wrong.
GTA 5 has sold, like, I think over 100 million copies.
It says 200 million here.
Oh, 200 million, yeah.
There's a new Grand Theft Auto coming out, too, that everybody's looking forward to.
One thing that's wild with this, one reason it's all the same old stuff, is it takes them...
You know how we can't do anything in America anymore because it costs 15 times as much as it used to?
Same thing with video games.
So you used to make a Mario game with a team of 20 people and it took them six months.
Which one was Grand Theft Auto V? Was that LA? Yeah, yeah.
They don't call it LA. It was like San Andreas, Los Santos.
Los Santos in the state of San Andreas.
So they have not done a new Grand Theft Auto in 12 years.
It's been a long time.
So let me ask you, have the graphics gotten better?
In 12 years?
They look the same.
A bit, but it slowed down a lot.
Like, it used to be you really could tell, you know, it goes 2D, 3D. But yeah, like, the shadow dimensions and stuff looks largely the same.
I mean, even most games that come out today, like, they're on PlayStation 5 now, most games that come out on PlayStation 5 will also still have a PlayStation 4 version.
And it's just slightly not as good.
I don't know.
Call of Duty looks a lot better than it was a few years ago.
I wouldn't know.
But I'll tell you this.
Red Dead Redemption?
Is that the...
Red Dead Redemption 2?
That came out like a decade ago.
That came out a while ago, but that is a fun game.
That's like Grand Theft Auto, but it's in the Wild West.
You're on a horse.
You're on a horse.
That's actually fun.
Brooks was playing that for a little bit.
You could just mess around and just hijack horses and stuff like that.
So the video game I went all in on was Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic.
Kotar!
Anyone else know that?
I remember that.
That was a legit...
Kotar?
Yes.
At the time, wasn't that the most expensive game ever created?
Were you light side or dark side, though?
Charlie, you were a Kotar guy?
Yeah.
Wait, one or two?
I think one.
Yeah, I tried two and I hated it.
It was definitely one.
It was definitely one.
Two was, like, rushed.
One did really well, and then two was, like, super rushed.
It was, like, kind of unfinished, and they used a different, like, developer.
So, hold on.
It was called a massively multiplayer online...
Role-playing series.
What was it?
KOTOR was just an RPG. I never played the online one.
What is an RPG? Role-playing game?
RPG is a role-playing game.
Which means you can have different directions, right?
And you level up your character, you adjust their stats.
No, but there's different paths.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then MMORPG, massively multiplayer online role-playing games, when there's hundreds of people, thousands of people on the server.
Not interested in that.
But yes, I took the dark side.
I think Knights of the Old Republic, I think that was the most expensive game ever made when they made it.
It was supposed to be like...
You might be thinking of The Old Republic.
Just The Old Republic?
That was an MMORPG that they made.
The Old Republic was the online one.
The Tortanic, they called it.
Maybe I'm confused.
Which one is which?
So, Knights of the Old Republic was your one player.
It has a story and everything.
And then there was one called Just the Old Republic, which came out a decade later and was massively hyped.
So, Knights of the Old Republic came out in 2003, and I'm looking at images of it.
It looks as good as video games today.
That is not true.
I'm sorry, I'm just looking at images.
I think they've made that on VR. I think they've made that game on VR, maybe a cheaper version.
That was an objectively good video game.
It was good, but it...
It does not look like what they're putting out today.
I will contest that one.
The last big leap, I would say, was probably about 10 years ago.
Since then, yeah, they improved, but it's on the margins.
They're like, oh, you need to have a 4K TV to see this.
I've always wanted...
The games within the games, like on Call of Duty, if you've never played this, this is the only time I've sat and played...
Something by myself, and it was with my son, with Brooks, is the zombies thing.
That is actually creepy.
It gets to different points where if you're in a dark room and all that stuff, it creeps you out while you're doing it.
It's interesting.
Alright, really quick on daylight savings, then we gotta run.
Alright, well, we have to revisit this topic because first of all, had daylight savings time inflicted on us indirectly because we got shifted back to Pacific time.
And then, you know...
I think we should keep Arizona on Pacific time.
Yes, I agree.
Tyler and I are in complete alignment.
100%.
You feel off.
I totally agree.
I definitely feel off now that I'm three hours behind Eastern time.
I love these three hours.
It's terrible.
You know why?
Because it's 7 o'clock Eastern right now, and everyone's going to bed, and I got a couple hours to get all my thoughts organized, do some texts, do some emails, and then if I wake up at 7.30, the East Coast has already sent all their messages to me, so I'm waking up to all of their work.
It is more efficient.
But what if you had to wake up at 4 a.m., Charlie?
I'm not a traitor.
Like, I'm not a hedge fund manager.
No, but Charlie, what if, for example, you had to pre-tape your show at an early hour?
Yes, Blake, for the record, I've woken up at ungodly hours many times for 13 years, okay?
I've taken more 6 a.m.
flights than I think any person on the planet besides pilots and flight attendants.
But yes, let me just make sure I understand.
The push is to eradicate any time switch in the winter.
The push is the time switch.
We are on the switch time right now.
So this is the normal time?
No.
Normal time is in the winter.
The daylight savings time is in the summer.
Oh, no, no.
We should keep it how it is right now.
No, no.
This is where we are at war, Charlie.
Jack and I are at war with you over this.
See, what we want...
Forget the Pacific time.
What we want, though, is...
You know how beautiful it was in D.C.? D.C. is a terrible place.
It's Sodom.
It's awful.
No, it's not beautiful in D.C. You know how beautiful it was?
The sun's setting at 7.30 now.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
Everyone was happier, chipper.
Everyone was more pleasant.
Why would we not want the sun to be out longer?
Charlie, the sun is out the same amount of time.
No.
It's actually the same amount of time.
If you wake up at 5.30, it is.
If you're a farmer, which most people aren't.
Charlie, the standard time that we use was set by God.
I know the farmers don't like daylight saving because they get up early.
Okay?
Here's the thing.
Listen.
And by the way, the sun is not out the same amount of time all year.
That's not true.
But it's out the same amount of time regardless of whether we use daylight savings time or not.
No, it's not.
First of all, it's not technically true if you design your day around Eastern time, of which I do, because I have a radio show.
The sun, that's not exactly.
Charlie, the sun will be above the horizon the same amount of time, whether you are on daylight savings time or not.
No matter what Charlie Kirk does, the sun will be up the same amount of time.
You guys are technically correct.
Okay, but it gets longer throughout the year.
However, if you configure your clock back or forward a day, then you adjust your own circadian rhythm.
I like the sun in the evening.
Sun in evening.
I am team sun in evening.
Charlie, when the sun is going down in the evening is when God was telling us that we should be preparing ourselves for rest by bringing darkness to the world.
And when we engage in daylight savings time, we rebel against God.
And that is the sin of pride.
Wait, so you're trying to, just so I understand, so for eight months out of the year, we are on...
We are on daylight savings time for eight months out of the year.
Oh, okay.
I get them confused.
And it was invented?
And it didn't used to be this long time.
Communist Democrats.
See, Andrew's all confused too.
Daily Savings Time was invented by Democrats.
I don't care who invented what.
I like it.
I like it.
I like the beautiful evenings.
Charlie Kirk's going to go back in time to make sure that FDR gets elected to six terms as president to reward him.
All I know is that there's more sunlight because we change the clocks in the evening.
We need to have Huberman on about this.
He's on our side with this, right, Jeff?
Yeah, Huberman's 100% correct.
Yeah, Huberman's all screwed up on this.
Okay.
I mean, he's like, oh, you want morning sun.
You know what?
I like evening sun.
Evening sun's very good for you.
Morning sun?
And for the record, he says both are good.
Both morning and evening sun could be good for you.
But you can get evening sun no matter what.
Why wouldn't you want to go?
No, it's like the sun sets at 390. This is really basic stuff.
Why wouldn't you?
I think society...
Functions better when you can go home from work and spend time with your family.
Everyone is happier when we spring ahead.
Why would you want to go home in the dark all year long?
You can spend time with your family even if it's dark.
In the morning?
That's not true.
Some people have to have like...
To go spend time with your kids?
Most people have to work 9 to 5. And at 9 to 5, you're going to have more hours.
So you leave at dark, get home at dark.
I think that's crazy.
That's crazy.
It's crazy.
Or leave in the morning.
Who cares?
You're stressed.
You have to go to work.
Go home, spend time in your front yard or your backyard swinging in the swings with your kids from 6 to 8 p.m.
Completely agree.
And I will just note, by the way, Charlie, you are aware that the sun is going down at the same time here in Arizona regardless.
I am aware, but it changes based on your configuration.
That's what's funny.
The Arizona guys are all up and arms over it, but it actually doesn't affect them at all.
It does if you are on Eastern position time.
I have to wake up now an hour earlier because...
Because of time changing.
Yeah.
And Charlie's right, too.
You feel different.
So it's either you're going to feel one way or the other.
I'm just telling you, I've lived here my whole life.
I feel off when it's more mountain time.
I hate it.
I agree.
I hate it.
I like being three hours behind.
I see all the news of the day.
I'm processing it.
It has good incoming.
And by the way, we end the show at 11 a.m.
You know how awesome that is?
The whole day ahead of me.
Yep.
All right.
With that, everybody, keep on committing thought crimes, and I will personally lobby the president to keep it lighter later.