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Dec. 31, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Steven Greer's Best Evidence For Extraterrestrial Life — Exclusive Interview from AmFest
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Okay, everybody, this is a very interesting episode of Stephen Greer, who is very well respected.
I'm not even going to say I agree with everything he says on this episode, but he has a theory on the drones.
He does believe that there is contact with alien life.
He believes he has evidence of that, and that it's coming out soon.
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Stephen, welcome to the program.
Thank you.
Appreciate you having me.
So, why don't you first introduce yourself, your biography, and the work that you're in?
I'm an emergency and trauma doctor, medical doctor.
I like to show ER, although I've never seen it.
And my uncle was on the team that designed the lunar module, Northrop Grumman, and found out about what some people would call UAPs now, or UFOs, when I was very young, eight, nine years old.
So a few years ago, about the year you were born, it was 1993. That is the year I was born, actually.
Oh, yes, it is a good year.
Good year, good year.
I was asked to brief the director of the CIA for Bill Clinton on this issue.
So I've been involved in heading up whistleblowers for about 32 years.
So I have 762 of these whistleblowers.
Most of them are a combination of military and corporate whistleblowers who have dealt with the UFO subject, a whole spectrum of them.
And that has taken on a life of its own because over those years there are very high value whistleblowers that have come forward.
For the last 20 months, I've been working with a team out of a couple of black sites, as they're called, illegally run operations out in the desert.
I can't discuss where they are.
I've been there several times.
But this group are the highest ranking defectors of illegal deep state operations in history.
These are serious guys.
The main one we just affectionately call the NOC, stands for Non-Official Cover.
So he's a Joint Special Operations Command and Aerospace Cover.
So this is the biggest secret in the history of the United States, and it's the crown jewel of illegal deep state activities.
It far goes beyond what most people would think this is about.
Now why is that?
Beginning in the 40s, 50s, we did successfully down NHIs, it's called non-human intelligent or extraterrestrial vehicles, and we successfully reverse engineered them.
Now this we know for a fact.
And those have resulted in extraordinary technological breakthroughs that would give us a new golden age, not only in America but the world, if they could be applied peacefully.
Instead, they have been turned into weapons systems That are being used against these objects.
So the one black site I was over about 14 months ago, I was literally hovering over the underground opening for where the Lockheed Skunk Works bring up and test the man-made UFOs.
80-90% of the ones you guys see, those are ours.
And they've been created using trillions of dollars in illegal funding.
And the 10% that aren't ours?
Those are interstellar.
Those are NHI, non-human intelligence.
So, now, there's another category that's gotten, I think, our friend Tucker Carlson and others have been confused about, known as extradimensional phenomenon.
So you have three things going on.
You have non-human extraterrestrial, you have the man-made, and then you have weird stuff from other dimensions.
Those have deliberately been combined into a confusing mix Of nonsense that passes on this subject.
So it's a gaslighting.
It's a way you do information warfare against the truth.
So I'm here to sort of unpack that.
So a lot of questions.
To the skeptic, when you say interstellar, just that's aliens?
Well, yes.
Although when you use that word, most people think it's people from Guatemala.
No, sure, but like not...
Non-earthly origin.
Yeah.
Actually, the original bodies that they retrieved from those downings were called EBINS, extraterrestrial biological entities.
I do have a dissection photograph of one being dissected, and I've seen others.
So, you know, that's what's going to all come out, because the operators at these sites have been...
You know, at and present and on the retrieval teams when they've shot these down.
So the one site I was at, they shoot down one or two a year at that site.
Another site I went to in the chopper about 150 miles north is another one or two a year.
So that's a very dangerous business.
It's actually the biggest national security threat that we face is an organization that's criminal, transnational, that has these sort of technologies and could get us in a world of trouble way worse than Russia.
Just to make sure I understand, so they're shooting down interstellar objects?
Yes.
So just the theory of the case is that the interstellar are attacking us or visiting us?
They're here to observe an emerging civilization that went off the rails in the 40s and 50s with thermonuclear weapons.
And I will tell you, what most people don't realize, if you want any science people in here, I'll put you to sleep, But when you detonate an atomic or thermonuclear weapon, it puts on an electromagnetic pulse.
That has embedded in it something Tesla called, Nikola Tesla, called a scalar signal.
And that goes at multiples of the speed of light through the vacuum of space-time.
That disrupts the communication and travel systems of those civilizations.
So they're concerned about the future of the Earth, but they're also concerned that these reckless use of these sort of weapons could be a threat to other worlds.
So that began the whole period from 1945 forward, and that's when we began to realize that we had kicked a hornet's nest And then we began to realize these technologies were ones we needed to figure out how they operate.
So my uncle's company worked on that.
So just a dumb question.
How do you know that that's what these beings want?
Well, that's been actually communicated to a number of people in these programs.
Because a number of these beings of different sizes, some are a couple feet tall, some are ten feet tall.
They made it quite clear they're not hostile.
If they were hostile, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
It'd be over point, set, match.
But they're clearly concerned with our hostility and where we're going technologically.
Because it's one thing, you know, if a civilization has weapons that are normal ones before the nuclear era.
But when you reach this level of technology threshold, then whole worlds can be destroyed.
So, for someone who's a skeptic and thinks it's insane that these beings are coming, what is the best piece of evidence, if you were to submit it to a jury, that this is the case?
Yeah, well, I just gave you a flash drive with that.
Oh, okay.
Thank you.
But that's yours and our leaders' eyes.
If you want to go to, we have an archive that we just put, Trish Duggan helped fund this, where it's called the Disclosure Project Intelligence Archive, dpiarchive.com, and it has about 34 years of accumulated information, including the testimony of about 115 top-secret military people and another 600-plus whose names are masked pending subpoenas and investigations.
So the biggest task, because of this group that's defecting, are so high placed, and they're going to unmask themselves.
In other words, they're going to be name, rank, serial number.
And they're senior.
And they've been operational.
The main guy's been operational for 29 years.
He is a true patriot.
But he knows that, as he got up the ranks, he realized he was in a criminal, illegal operation.
And so he's wanting to come forward to fix this massive problem.
Now, that has triggered this whole drone flurry.
All the drones and all that, it's a false flag diversion to create fear and panic in advance of them coming forward.
Because, you know, the guy who invented the rocket, Radolf Hitler, Wernher von Braun, on his deathbed said, The long-term game to create a totalitarian super state would be to say that there's a threat from outer space.
And it's all a lie.
Every bit of it's a lie.
A psyop of an alien invasion.
Sure.
And that's what this is.
So because this team is moving, they have vowed to come forward.
Between now and early January, which means prior to the inauguration, it would be earth-shattering.
I've been over to other countries providing briefings for senior government officials and intelligence officials because it's going to change everything.
And the other big problem then becomes, since they're holding all the technological cards, where are you going to go with this?
So if you were to take everything that traditionally the president and Congress know about, Scientifically, technologically, this, quote, deep state, illegal operation has 1,000 years ahead of that, 5,000 years ahead of that.
And that's dangerous because you have a group of unelected, unsupervised people with that kind of power.
So I'm not trying to scare people.
I'm just saying this is absolutely true.
I'm your cosmic Paul Revere, I guess.
LAUGHTER So, no, I mean, look, I don't know what's real or not with this stuff, but I will say this.
I was flying home from University of Wisconsin-Madison.
I tweeted about this.
You guys see this tweet?
It went super viral.
And did you see this tweet when I did it?
No, I didn't.
And we were on one of our donors' planes, and all of a sudden the pilot was like, hey, you've got to come up here.
And he has 30 years of experience flying.
And he says, over there, there are these objects that are not on radar that are above us.
We were at 35,000 feet that were up at like 60,000 feet that are working in symmetric circles.
And again, you guys know me.
I'm like, okay, sure.
And you could see the reflection of the moon off them, which means that they were at a certain crescent over...
And I filmed the whole thing, put it on Twitter, it got like 10 million views, and no one can explain what that is.
Not on radar, you know, obviously working in symmetrical, way above how an airplane would fly.
What was I looking at there?
What was I seeing, likely?
Well, I'd have to know more detail.
If it was a seamless object, meaning no rivets, no seams, no parts of any kind, very well could have been a non-human source.
However, without that information, But is it the government?
It could have been potentially government?
The secret government.
The shadow government.
Remember when Senator Inouye, Democrat of Hawaii, said during the Iran-Contra thing, he said there exists a secret government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own funding mechanism that's above the law and free from the law itself.
Totally unconstitutional.
That's what we're talking about.
Where is that secret government housed?
What do we know about them?
They're embedded all over the place, but there are certain key people who've been involved with it over the years that we know who they are.
The top whistleblower coming forward will be able to give to the incoming administration the names of key people, corporate and CIA, who are involved with that, and that will have to be brought to The other group that we're working with is some of them were at Mar-a-Lago.
You may have seen them with me.
These are Green Beret guys who've separated from the military to operate under a law enforcement special access project.
To bring these criminal organizations and these illegal black sites to heal and to get these technologies under U.S. government control.
So I use the term U.S. government, U.S.G., meaning the constitutional government of we the people.
There's another whole operation going on, and it's not just bureaucracy.
But can you name one person who's involved in that?
Yeah, Dick Cheney, Admiral, Bobby Ray Inman.
I know who they are.
I mean, I've dealt with them.
I've had meetings.
So some of them are public, but not— Some, most aren't.
But there are some wonderful people wanting to come forward who are.
There's a chairman of a household named corporation that when he reached out to me last year, he was immediately approached and said, we will kill your children, your grandchildren, and you if you step...
I know he's almost 80 years old.
Poor guy.
But that's what we deal with every day in the Disclosure Project.
It's a very dangerous business.
How do you stay safe in all this?
Well, I haven't.
I mean, I've had three people on my team killed.
I was almost killed last year, as you know.
You may not know.
No, I don't know.
Oh, well...
Three weeks after I got back from this black site and gave to the Senate Intelligence Committee footage of the underground opening and what was going on there, someone sawed through the seat of my bicycle, mountain bike, and I collapsed.
And my left foot came off, my bones were in the air, my shoulder was ripped.
I had four surgeries in three months.
Now I'm back leg pressing at 900 pounds and back to normal.
But it was terrible.
But I've had a number of things like that happen.
Now, we know, I mean, for example, the gentleman coming forward who's head of that whole group, it's not just his black sites.
It's six of them that he's heading up.
And this is going to be the largest disclosure in the history of, I think, humanity, I want to be honest, but certainly the United States.
You know, he knows that this is very risky.
And the reason I'm here on your show, and I've been doing others, is to give a heads up so that when he drops this packet of evidence and comes forward, people are prepared.
And then I will send it out.
It'll be on a blockchain site.
CIA won't be able to take it down.
PIP companies won't be able to take it down.
No one's going to be able to take it down.
And it is absolutely going to be a game changer.
So he sent me a message this morning that I sent to you.
You can read it at your leisure of why he's doing this.
Now, I want to point this out.
The objects you saw, Charlie, those weren't using Jet A fuel or rockets or gasoline.
What are they using?
Graphene?
No.
So they're using electromagnetic field propulsion.
So, you know, your cup right there, what's called zero-point or quantum vacuum in physics, there's enough energy in that cup, if it was tapped, to boil off all the oceans of the world, literally, quote-unquote.
Now, this was discovered decades ago.
And if you want to see a history of it, I did a documentary called The Lost Century.
It's about a hundred years of lost evolution and lost freedom.
And to connect the dot from Mr. Gates, people who need to realize the combination of corrupt powers in government and large corporate financial interests was the original definition of fascism, late 1800s, early 20th century.
Fascism is misused and misunderstood.
That is the original fascist agenda.
It is the loss of the freedoms of the people being subsumed and overtaken by large corporate powerful interests that corrupt the government.
And we are living at a very bad point for that, as you know.
But this is the granddaddy of that, because how do you have a free market, pray tell, if the most important scientific discoveries in the last 80 years have been withheld from the market, right?
So the ability to have energy independence, eliminate poverty globally, Rice, the economy of the United States, is the leader in this tech.
So the guys that are defecting have that knowledge, and they want the United States to lead the world technologically.
So these are true patriots, and they need to be protected.
And what you said, Wayne, they need protection.
That whistleblower protection.
That was serious.
Now, we had that.
Now, those of you who are policy wonks, I've been working with Senate Intelligence folks for a while, and the Senate Intelligence Committee last year passed unanimously...
A provision to provide that protection, but also amnesty or safe harbor for these whistleblowers who have been involved, some of them, in criminal activities.
There are certain, I call them the devils in Congress, and I know who they are, took that out of the NDAA, the National Defense Authorization Act.
So they gutted it.
So they're now so fed up.
Now, this was exactly 12 months ago.
They're so fed up that they're saying, we're done.
We're done with Congress.
We're done waiting for a president to do it.
They're doing it unilaterally.
They called the time.
I just want to be clear, I did not say do this before the inauguration, but they're going to do it.
So that's based on their timeline.
I'm here to give a heads up to everyone here and anyone who is close to the incoming president.
So you can imagine this is hard for a lot of people to believe?
That's fine.
It should be hard.
It's astonishing.
Fantastical.
And I will admit that.
But when you see the evidence, you'll go, well, case closed.
And the evidence will be made public?
Yes.
Very soon?
Imminently?
In the next three weeks or four weeks on the outside.
Now, you know, the other part of this that's very exciting is that the U.S. military, if you just, sometimes I like to explain complex problems with the, however, apocryphal is helpful.
Back in 1997, I was asked to do a stand-up briefing at the Pentagon for the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, J2.
Now, this is the guy who puts the intelligence briefing together for the whole Joint Chiefs, Admiral Wilson.
And I have a document from the National Reconnaissance Office that runs all the top-secret satellites, warning of an incursion at Area 51, Nellis Air Force Base, and they were going to shut down the testing of our man-made UFOs.
Now on that is a distribution list, code names.
So anyone who's been in a top secret, a lot of them are code names, some numbers, and I gave that to the Admiral.
The Admiral was able to identify one of those when he called that TSSCI SAP, Top Secret Special Compartment Intelligence SAP. They said, sir, you don't have a need to know.
He says, I'm the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
How do I not have a need to know?
And they said, well, you don't, and they cut the line.
He then was threatened personally and was threatened with being demoted.
So this is what we've been dealing with now for 30 years.
Remember, the only reason I briefed the CIA director for Bill Clinton is that the CIA director The new first one, and the president were trying to find out about this, and they were blocked.
So I had enough evidence even then, in 93, it was December 13, 1993, to go in and say, here's what's going on.
President Clinton stood up what's called Team Red, and you're going to hear about this.
And it was a team of special forces guys who were going to take on what they call Team Black, which were these illegal programs.
And Team Blue is the regular military.
And the man who's coming forward was on Team Red.
All right, that's how far back this goes.
And he has all the evidence for that.
Now, what happened, people say, well, why didn't it happen back then?
George H.W. Bush threatened Clinton, and then, I understood, made it so that he could be comfortable out of the presidency.
I was offered a lot of money in 1992. I was personally offered by the head of Army Intelligence $2 billion to betray my mission with a B. That was a lot of money back then for a doctor.
It's a joke.
And that was true.
So, you know, this is the mother of all sort of criminal mafia operations.
And it's mainly why people in Congress and the executive, the presidents, over the years have backed away from it.
But at this point, now that won't be an option.
The reason it won't be an option for President Trump and the Congress is that the evidence will be dispositive.
And dispositive of showing, just to be clear, an interstellar activity and a shadow government.
Those two things?
Yeah, and the existence of the man-made craft that are being used in a number of things.
Everyone's heard of abductions and mutilation.
Guess what?
That's a CIA project.
I know who's been doing it.
I've debriefed people who've been on those teams.
People have no idea what this is, and we don't have time to unpack it.
But it's an extraordinary story of corruption.
This is the mother of all corrupt enterprises.
And the problem is that if this isn't handled well, I'm going to give a warning here, this will be a thousand times worse than COVID. If it's handled well, it'll be a whole new golden age.
What does handling it well look like?
Here's what right looks like.
It comes out, there is a series of executive orders which we have put recommendations for that are in the flash drive I gave you.
And, yeah, this is a serious conversation right now.
And it would do several things.
One, it would authorize the funding so that law enforcement working under a SAP that's already formed And some of those men were at Mar-a-Lago a couple weeks ago with me, could be stood up to get these under control.
Why is that important?
Knowing this information doesn't solve the problem.
You've got to take on these corrupt deep state enterprises, but you're going up against entities.
To quote the Admiral that I briefed at the Pentagon, he says, I've learned that secret government program have objects that can do circles around my B-2 stealth bombers, and that's the best thing I know how to deploy.
So this is a David and Goliath story.
The entire legal government of the United States is at a disadvantage, and this is true of other countries.
I just came back from London yesterday.
And I will tell you, this problem, if it doesn't get resolved well, so if it's done well, those systems will turn to be under the control of the government legally and serving the interests of we the people, okay?
But if it goes badly, where people in the administration get gaslit with false information, oh, there's an alien attack and the aliens are doing this and that, That's the stagecraft, is what it's called.
That's the deception that so many people in the media and in politics have bought.
I will tell you that 99% of everything put out there on this subject is planted disinformation, curated very well.
And you have to be very careful about this.
So, you know, I'm retired from medicine right now.
I left my medical career to do this.
Hard decision.
I mean, medical school and residency is not easy.
Any doctors in here?
But, you know, I know that if we don't resolve this problem, we're not going to have much of a future on this planet, never mind our country, because this organization is really a bunch of sociopaths, and some of them are psychopaths.
Yeah.
Yeah, they are.
I mean, they're hardcore, nutty people.
Just repeat the name of the book, and let's do some questions, Daisy.
I'm sure the people are going to be brimming.
Is that okay?
We take some questions?
Sure, sure.
Great.
Repeat the name of the book and the movie, please.
Yeah, the new one that's just come out is called Battle for Disclosure.
Uh-huh.
And there's another one, an older one, called Unacknowledged.
Which I mentioned.
And there's a movie and a book by that name.
And if you want to see all the intelligence we've gathered, you can go to dpiarchive.com.
It's free.
You know, it's 34 years, about $20 million we've spent to put that together, and I hope you guys enjoy it.
Okay, let's go to the first question.
My best friend came here for school in the United States.
He's now seen an alien on this planet, and he doesn't know who to speak to.
And he's tried to kind of share his voice within his community, and people just kind of made fun of him for that.
Sure.
So what would you recommend to anybody if they see someone in the near future?
Well, you know, he's going to have a lot of company soon because there are a lot of people who've seen what he has seen, as have my teams.
I head up an expedition force that has gone out to remote places and had that kind of contact.
That's another cool movie, Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind.
It'll blow your mind when you see the images in there.
But I would say that unless he's someone who has dispositive evidence or has been operational at a facility, he can just know that he's going to be vindicated soon in what he said and that everyone who thinks he's crazy will say, no, he's not.
Next question, Daisy.
Hi Charlie, thank you.
My question is, before the end of days and our last days, Jesus tells us that we are going to be awakened and awoke.
What is your thoughts if these could actually be demons or angels?
Great question.
You know, when I was at the Vatican, I had a great conversation with Pope John Paul's senior theologian who was a demonologist.
And he said, neither angels nor demons need flying saucers.
He put it so succinctly.
And so one of the big points of confusion is that the covert programs that are dealing with this will push into that information base.
Things that are from other dimensions.
Lower dimensions, you can call it hell.
Higher dimensions.
And the science of that is very well known also.
Everyone thinks that consciousness and spirit isn't understood by the intelligence community.
It is.
And it can be used.
So it's deception.
You know, evil here is deception.
Where people get pushed into a belief system.
So what we're really living through is the end of a whole era of human evolution and the beginning of another one that I believe is the Golden Age.
But to get this right, you're not going to make peace on Earth by trading international warfare to interplanetary warfare.
That's the end of the world right there.
I mean, really seriously.
So this has to be handled carefully.
What can you say definitively, in your own opinion, of the beings that are not of earthly origin?
That would be called aliens.
Yeah.
Just go through a bullet point list of what you believe to know about them.
What I know about them from our own direct research, as well as all these whistleblowers, is that they are not hostile to us.
They're very concerned about us.
In ancient times, some of them would have been seen as angels and mistaken, very mistaken as angels.
But they're very advanced civilizations that have evolved not only socially and spiritually, but technologically.
None of them are hostile.
Now, the ones that appear to be are the ones that are on man-made craft, And you want to unpack this a little crazier.
All this will be confirmed soon.
We have creatures that look like aliens that are not.
They're robotic.
Some have a biological component.
They're fake.
And those are the ones that have been used in all kinds of scary things.
I know when Tucker Carlson talks about this, there are certain people who have gone around deliberately gaslighting opinion shapers and politicians for a while.
And that's dangerous, right?
I mean, if it happened in a vacuum of just the mythology of this...
So, you know, in the briefing document I prepared for Congress and the incoming administration, there's a one-sheeter that goes, myth and truth.
And what is the false narrative, and why is that happening?
Well, they want to really establish this global totalitarian militaristic junta that we'd all live in sort of a state of fear.
You know, it's sort of like if you were to take the fear of COVID or 9-11 times a thousand, then control people through that.
That's why all these drones are happening.
And the drones...
Are happening, and I just got this message.
I sent it to you from the guy who's head of the team defecting as a false flag operation because of what his team's going to do.
They want to have his disclosure happen within the milieu, the environment of fear and unknown.
And I can tell you, having been briefing senior people, White House level and congressional level, for 31 years, none of those people are prepared for this, and they need to be.
I mean, we need to get really serious about this.
It is a subject that's ridiculed a great deal.
There's a lot of nonsense about it.
I'd be the first to admit most of it's rubbish.
But the part of it that's real is very important.
And we could have an amazing civilization going forward.
The other part of the executive order recommendation is that the military be used to safeguard contact with these civilizations peacefully rather than violently or kinetically through directional energy weapons.
That would be a huge game changer.
And right now, the only response these civilizations have had is a violent one.
Let's go to the next question.
Just to answer, though, people like Jack Kibbs and others do believe it is a spiritual thing.
Everything's a spiritual thing.
No, of course.
I'm just responding to the eschatological aspect of the question.
Hi, Mr. Greer.
My name is Lino from the state of Illinois.
I have read the Operation Blue Book findings from the 40s, 50s, and I believe it went in even into the 60s.
And in it, it claims that there were these black men dressed in black from an agency they couldn't identify.
Hmm.
What you're saying, are you confirming what those who were involved in Operation Blue Book found and what they went through and was this separate government created after 1947?
Yes, it was actually, its genesis was the National Security Act in 47 after three of these objects were downed using an early directional energy weapon near Roswell.
You've heard of that event.
That did happen.
Southeastern New Mexico.
Yeah, New Mexico.
And I've had a number of witnesses who now have since passed away to that event and how it happened.
There's an FBI memo That we found that we released from a field agent to J. Edgar Hoover about a new radar technology that was in a system there that apparently downed these objects.
And that gets into a science that it's not just a normal radar.
It's actually a directional energy weapon.
So those technologies have been refined and refined to the point of being very dangerous.
The site I was on over about 14 months ago, they have very portable, even breadbox size, electromagnetic pulse weapons that can be positioned, that can knock these objects out.
Now, one of the sad parts of this, and this is one reason why these guys are defecting as patriots, when they put a TFR up, a temporary flight restriction area up over that black site, Occasionally, it won't be noted by a private aircraft, a private jet, and they will hit it.
And if they're doing an operation to target one of these ET vehicles, extraterrestrial vehicles, they'll take out the civilian one.
And this guy has personally transported the remains, human.
And so this is a very big problem for the FAA, and these sites are scattered all over the United States and in other countries.
This is why it's going to be an enormous operation.
To back down these systems and get them under control so that they're not doing things that are a threat to public safety.
Next question.
Hi, Sid.
This is Esti.
I'm from Cottonwood, Arizona and from South Africa.
Do you know Mr. Ali Marzulli?
He speaks also about these entities.
I'm sorry, I don't know that person, so I can't speak.
She's over there.
Yeah, I don't know that person.
Okay.
But, you know, many people have different ideas and conjectures about it, and that's fine.
I try to deal with the facts of the evidence and the first-hand people.
As you know, there have been some hearings on Capitol Hill, but they've only had second-hand folks up there, like Mr. Grush.
Mr. Grush was involved in an operation.
I had met with him when he was undercover.
And his bosses are the ones I've been dealing with for a number of years, and they know this is true.
Now, there are a few members of the Senate and House that understand some of this, but we need to really be sure that our leaders understand it in a serious way and then respond properly.
If they respond properly, the whole human species could be united around the fact that That we're not alone, right?
And there's all this promising technology.
You talk about a peace dividend.
You know, we've spent trillions of dollars.
And by the way, for Doge, here's a tip for Mr. Musk and Ramaswamy.
Take a look at the illegal part of the black budget of the United States and other departments, because it involves hundreds of billions of dollars a year and trillions of dollars over the decades that have gone missing, at least eight to ten trillion dollars.
So half our national debt almost, or a third of it.
So I think there's a serious benefit to having this disclosed, but there are also serious risks, as there normally are.
As a medical trauma doctor, I look at risk-benefit, right?
But the benefit way outweighs the risk if it's handled well.
If it's handled poorly and spoken up to the public, it could induce panic.
It could crash our economy.
If it's spoken up properly, it could unite people and open a whole new chapter technologically and in every other way.
I mean, in 20 years, There'd be no poverty on Earth and no pollution, and we'd be living in a space-age-type economy.
That is absolutely going to be done because the technology was sitting on a black shelf already.
They're already there.
So the team defecting deal with that.
Remember, they're at the Lockheed Skunk Works and other facilities, and that's where the real gems are.
We'll go to one more question, Daisy.
Hi, my name is Christian, and I just wanted to ask, given all the suggestions you have put go forward and we go into this golden age, what does that look like?
You have talked a lot about military, but what does it look like for the average state person and just overall society?
The average day person, you will never have to pay for fuel again.
You'll have a generator at your house or in your car that will provide energy out of what's called the quantum vacuum or zero-point energy.
There'll be no pollution.
The world will be pristine.
Poverty will vanish on Earth.
You won't have to ever have a power outage because transmission lines will be retired from power companies.
Now, obviously what I just described is about a $900 trillion transition.
It is.
Now, the good news about it, and I would say this to the economic people, that's not going to happen by, you know, waving a magic wand.
That's like a thousand times bigger than the Marshall Plan that rebuilt Europe after World War II. So it's going to take 15 or 20 years.
So there's a transition period.
But for my 12 grandchildren and my daughters, I have four daughters and 12 grandkids, then we're going to be looking at a whole new civilization eventually.
It's not safe yet, but eventually the electro-gravity, anti-gravity systems will come out, and you'll never have to have highways.
You'll be like the Jetsons, you're just floating up and going.
But those are missile delivery systems also, and that has to remain classified, at least how they operate for foreseeable.
I know how they operate, by the way, and it's not something that needs to be in the hands of terrorists or some tin-pot dictator somewhere.
So there are some valid national security secrets to be maintained.
That's one.
But as the world evolves, once we get where we're not fighting over some scrap of land or some energy issue, and talk about energy independence.
Here's how you get energy independent.
But every home, village, business, whatever on the planet will be energy independent.
Because the density of energy that you can tap into through these advanced electromagnetic physics technologies is amazing.
Stephen, thank you for your time.
We're going to have to take a break here to the next guest.
Give it up for Stephen Greer, everybody.
I know he's going to go and take some pictures, shake some hands.
Thank you so much.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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