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Debunking the Hegseth Hogwash
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Hey everybody, it's in The Charlie Kirk Show.
The status of Pete Hegseth and the open secret of why certain senators support him and other senators are undermining President Trump.
Sean Parnell joins us to discuss.
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I want to begin today talking, we're going to go through a lot of topics here, Pete Hegseth.
Pete Hegseth is a great man.
Pete Hegseth has honorably served his country.
And Pete Hegseth right now is victim to a media smear job to try to destroy his character and try to remove him from the nomination for Secretary of Defense.
Now some people say, but Charlie, he doesn't have the experience, you know, running a big organization.
Hold on a second.
He's actually served in the front lines of the department that he is going to have to run.
You see, we used to have a tradition in this country where the people who were in charge of our military were also involved in the front lines of combat.
George Washington famously would march to the front lines against the British and would be shot at, would not be moved.
Our leaders used to be hardened by actual conflict.
Pete Hegseth has served his country with incredible bravery and courage.
This is nothing compared to what he had to face on the front lines fighting for America.
However, the media is doing their best to try and be the fourth estate.
To try to remove him as Donald Trump's nominee for secretary of defense.
So let's begin here.
Let's first talk about the positive.
This is Coach Tuberville praising Pete Hegseth.
And we've talked about this quite some time on this program.
These Republican senators need to stand up and be counted.
And if you are going to oppose Pete Hegseth, then we want to know your names and your states because we'll be visiting a neighborhood near you.
If you're from Arkansas, if you're from Kansas, if you're from South Dakota, if you're from Idaho, and you're against Pete Hegseth, You're going to have to defend that to your voters.
You see, the American people did not vote for old bull Senate Republicans to get in the way of President Trump's mandate.
Let's begin here with Coach Tuberville praising Pete Hegg said.
There is a major battle happening right now on Capitol Hill, an extraordinary drama.
Where they're doing everything they can, where deep state Senate Republicans are doing everything they can to undermine President Trump and try to kill Pete Hegseth from being Secretary of Defense.
Play cut 43. Pete is a patriot.
He understands the military 20 years, but he's done other stuff too.
He's been in business, he's well-educated, well-spoken.
But what I like about him, Larry, is he's the age.
He's going in, running our military, and we need somebody close to the age of a lot of these warfighters that we have.
They can relate.
This is a different military.
This is a different time.
This is a different era.
And we need to build our military back because we have really degraded our military over the years because of the woke, the DEI, the critical race theory.
All these things are being pushed at all of our warfighters, and they're getting out right and left.
We've got to build it back, and Pete's the guy to do it, Larry.
Pete is the guy to do that.
Now understand that our military has become so broken, it is no longer the finest fighting force on the planet.
We commonly play that piece of tape of how sailors of the U.S. military were bragging the best part of their deployment was gay poem reading hour on these U.S. battleships.
But there are forces in the U.S. Senate, some of whom want to become Secretary of Defense themselves, by the way.
Who are trying to undermine and stop Pete Hegseth.
Understand this, first and foremost, Pete Hegseth embraces America First foreign policy better than anybody else.
He understands that we need the finest fighting force on the planet.
He understands that we should not have endless, adventurous, nation-building foreign conflicts or wars.
Pete Hegseth is not a neocon.
Pete Hegseth is not one of the Warmongers of days past.
Let's play cut 66. Pete Hegseth talking about the status of his nomination.
Play cut 66. Have you had any conversations with the president-elect?
I spoke to the president-elect this morning.
He said keep going, keep fighting.
Behind you all the way.
So you're in this all the way.
Why would I back down?
I've always been a fighter.
I'm here for more fighters.
This is personal passion for me.
You're not withdrawing your name for consideration, just to be clear.
We're meeting all day with senators.
Understand what is happening here is that you have this Praetorian Guard of the U.S. Senate that is trying to stop the will of the American people.
Now, this all started with the neocons of the Senate being a little nervous that Pete Hegseth philosophically might not agree with their warmongering agenda.
Might ask questions, why are we sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine?
Why are we not putting our country first?
Now, they're veiling this by saying, oh, it's all about these very serious accusations against Pete Hegseth.
What serious accusations are there?
Now, one of them, they're saying, well, Pete Hegseth's own mom came out against him.
Well, that's not true.
This is Pete Hegseth's mother on Fox News, Penelope Hegseth, defending her son.
Was this on the mainstream networks?
Playcut 77. What's one thing about Pete people don't realize?
That he's got a big heart.
That he's very smart.
He's the most...
He is the most faithful patriot of this country.
He loves his country.
He's fought and almost died for his country.
He's a good dad.
He's an amazing son and father.
And that's the Pete I want people to know.
Here's what we must understand, is that when Matt Gaetz dropped out, the enemies of our America First agenda thought they could pick off Trump's cabinet one by one, using old Washington smear tactics.
If Pete Hegseth becomes the latest pick to get knifed in the back, Bobby Kennedy be next, then Tulsi Gabbard, then Cash, we must not allow them to get away with this.
This is a red line.
Pete Hegseth is a red line.
And I am tired of hearing, oh, these anonymous senators.
Okay, is it Jim Crapo?
Or Mike Crapo?
Is it Mr. Risch in Idaho?
Is it Mike Rounds?
Is it Joni Ernst?
Is it Bozeman or whatever his name is from Arkansas?
You never hear from these people unless they want to vote no on Trump's nominees or vote yes on Ukrainian money.
These guys, you never hear from them at all.
Is it Shelley Moore Capito in Mississippi?
I mean, West Virginia?
Is it Cindy Hyde-Smith in Mississippi?
Stand up and be counted.
Tell us, who are you exactly?
Who do you represent?
Or are we going to allow just kind of just anonymous...
We know better than the voters.
Donald Trump got elected to get people and changemakers in the Pentagon like Pete Hegg said.
Do you remember Mark Milley bragging about how he would backchannel against Donald Trump with China?
That he would not fulfill the orders of Donald Trump and backchannel against the needs, wants and interests of the sovereign, the President of the United States, who's a representative of the American people?
Mr. White Rage.
How about Esper or Mad Dog Mattis?
Every single one of those people that were running the Pentagon were working against President Trump's agenda and the will of the American people.
So you really have to think.
Who's in charge of this government that is coming in?
Is it an unelected bureaucracy and old octogenarian Senate Republicans that want to keep on fighting Russia for no reason whatsoever?
Or is it the people that voted for less war?
The people voted for less war to, yes, crush our enemies, to, yes, use lethality against those that dare threaten us.
But we are done nation building.
We are done subsidizing the government of Ukraine.
Tucker Carlson right now is in Russia trying to figure out how close are we actually to nuclear war?
This is a red line, everybody.
If you're from Idaho, you better call your senators.
If you're from Mississippi, call Cindy Hyde-Smith.
If you're from West Virginia, President Trump won on a referendum of less war.
And now Senate Republicans say, who cares?
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This is a red line, everybody.
This is exactly why we are doing the project Give Trump His Cabinet.
And right now, actually, I was just texting in the break, the states that we're going to go visit.
We are going to be at a state near you and maybe in a neighborhood near you.
We very well might be doing a rally in Boise.
What is it about?
Can I just talk about the great state of Idaho really quick?
I've met one of the guys there.
Nice enough guy.
Rish or Crapo.
I get him confused.
What is it about the beautiful state of Idaho?
Idaho is this freedom-loving state that, yes, has some liberal nonsense.
That is coming in.
Boise, I was there recently feeling more and more like Berkeley.
However, the exurbs of Boise and the rest of the state, I mean, it is as red as Alabama.
But this is a problem that we need to fix and that I think Turning Point Action and the Charlie Kirk Show and you guys can help fix together.
It is a major problem that in very red states, people that run for office as Republicans just want power.
And they're not conservatives, but they're still just people who want power.
And I think this is something that Turning Point Action can help fix with, obviously, all of you in this audience.
Look, it's a different ballgame if you're running in Arizona, if you're running in Georgia, if you're running in North Carolina, if you're running in Maine.
I get it.
If you're Susan Collins and you run in Maine, I hold you to a much lower standard.
I've been very consistent about this throughout the years.
Andrew would tell you.
I've never attacked Susan Collins.
Vote your state.
Vote your constituents.
Susan Collins is there for us with Kavanaugh.
She does some incredibly frustrating stuff.
But Idaho, why is it that people from Idaho that are senators vote like they're from Maine?
That is inexplicable.
If you're a Republican in a more competitive state, You should be more conservative.
And so, just talking about Idaho here, I don't know how they stand on Pete Hegseth, but they're both neocons, Crapo and Rish.
I don't know how they stand on Bobby Kennedy or Tulsi Gabbard, but why are they both not out leading the charge saying that we are for Pete Hegseth?
Coach Tuberville is.
Marsha Blackburn is.
This is very similar to the lessons that I learned, Andrew learned, Blake learned, and our team learned with what we did with Nebraska and winner take all.
Sometimes the most maddening, difficult to navigate states in the country Are the reddest states.
They're the most corrupt, the least likely to actually embrace positive change.
We saw this up close and personally with all the time we spent in Nebraska.
And you kind of go around the horn here.
You say, wait a second.
These are senators that are not necessarily from battleground states, but understand that there is a formula here.
And that's why James Lankford is exhibit A for what's wrong in Washington, D.C. Formula is this.
The young guns are going to come out in favor of Pete Hegseth, especially if they are in cycle.
This is the buried secret of the U.S. Senate.
You guys ready for this?
No one else is saying this publicly.
So what they'll do is they will vote trade.
If you are in a competitive state, in cycle, those people are much more likely to come out and support President Trump's nominees, like Tom Tillis.
Why is Tom Tillis from North Carolina willing to support Trump's nominees enthusiastically?
Because he's afraid of being primaried.
Why is it that the people who are most likely to oppose Donald Trump's nominees all are people that are not up for election until 2028 and 2030?
It's a very easy answer.
It's because they're disconnected and they are distant from potential elections and the will of the people.
And so what they do is anybody that might be afraid of a primary threat like Tom Tillis, anybody that might be afraid of a primary threat like Mike Rounds, anyone that might be afraid of a primary threat in cycle will grow artificially closer to President Trump And his nominees and then the old bulls who are not in cycle from very very red states will take the hits for them because they think people forget and they think that times change
and they do not want to be on the wrong side of Donald Trump in a 2026 primary and you count you just do the math it becomes very obvious so what you have is this ossified seven or eight immovable Senate Republican block that is Against the president's agenda.
And they're like, well, what are you going to do about it?
Like, for example, we don't know where Senator Curtis from Utah stands.
We don't know.
Donald Trump embraced his opponent.
He's very much like Mitt Romney.
Probably not going to be on board.
But imagine, I want you to imagine this, everybody.
And this is why turning point action and the work we're doing is so important for the long term of changing the Republican Party for the better.
Imagine if we won the presidency and we can't get our people because of Senate Republicans.
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Joining us now is Sean Parnell to discuss Pete Hegseth and more.
Sean, you've also served our country honorably and courageously.
I'm going to kind of go out on a limb here and just say, going back, you've been victim of media smears against yourself while you were trying to seek a very important...
I don't want to relitigate that for the audience because it was a very nasty thing.
We had your back and we still do.
But can you kind of just give the audience the playbook that is being run against Pete Hegseth right now?
Absolutely.
And you're absolutely right.
This is very personal to me for a couple of reasons.
One, because I've known Pete for over a decade.
I know his wife.
I know his family.
I know his parents.
He's an extraordinary man with an extraordinary family.
And the smears against him, these are deliberate false smears, are absolutely sickening.
And it's personal to me for the second reason, because I've been through this and I've been on the receiving end of false attacks elevated by the media for the express sole purpose of destroying you.
And these allegations are very sinister because they're intended to make Republicans— Especially Republican senators, Republican elected officials, but in this case, senators say, well, boy, these allegations are pretty bad.
I can't possibly defend this because my voters won't like that.
But here's the thing.
The allegations are completely false.
And if we acknowledge that these accusations are horrifying to chill any sort of support from one's allies, then the opposite, our tactic must be the opposite.
And that is to speak out vocally against it.
I know what it's like to have to go through this stuff.
It's horrible.
And so when I saw Pete going through it, and by the way, Charlie, if you are a Trump person, if you are a loyal Trump person and you are a conservative, that is a danger to the radical left's agenda and a conservative who fights, this is the treatment that you get all the time.
And it absolutely has to stop.
That's why I spoke up for Pete immediately, because when the left and these anonymous sources come at us with these baseless, horrifying allegations, the only thing that we're left to do is speak out on behalf of the people that we care about.
And Pete is one of those people.
And I am telling you right here, right now on this show in front of God and everybody that the allegations against this guy Are completely false.
He's a great man.
He's a good leader.
He's a reform-minded leader.
He's somebody that is a threat to the defense industrial complex and because he's a threat, he's having to endure these horrifying attacks and it stops today.
It makes me sick.
So somebody recently was texting me, hey, Charlie, do you think Pete can survive all of the accusations?
And I said, well, tell me what they are.
And no one can really articulate them, Sean, because it's kind of just noise.
Do you know what I mean?
This is kind of like general noise.
What even are the accusations, Sean?
He drinks.
I mean, he drank a lot one time, you know, 10 years ago when he was in his late 20s, early 30s.
Yeah, no one in the military drinks.
And that's another thing.
You know, I was at Concerned Veterans for America at the same time all of these alleged events took place.
And I'm telling you that they didn't.
I was there.
The reason why, you know, another reason why this is deeply personal to me is because these smears are not only against Pete, Charlie.
There are veterans, both men and women, who joined Concerned Veterans for America who wanted to make a difference in our country and help the veteran community.
These smears are not just smears on Pete, but everybody that worked as part of Concerned Veterans for America.
And we did a- that organization- I'm very proud of the work that we did because ultimately it led to President Trump in 2018 signing the Mission Act, which gave a veteran's choice with regards to where they got their healthcare and is largely regarded as the most substantive VA reform in multiple generations.
We got that accomplished.
And to attack the organization, which is essentially, if you come away from that New Yorker piece thinking that CVA was just a slush fund for drunk veterans, nothing could be further from the truth.
It was a substantive policy organization that moved the ball down the field and made life better for veterans.
We were very effective.
And so to smear Pete is to smear the rest of the people and service members that are part of CVA that did great, extraordinary work.
And I'm not going to allow that to happen.
Yeah, I just, again, I do this for a living.
I can't even keep up with the nonsense that they're throwing at Pete.
And I just don't care.
I know him.
He's been so good to me.
He's such a generous, sincere, patriotic person.
I just, I'm going to the mat for him in any way I possibly can.
So, Sean, help me understand this.
Why is it...
That the states that are the most Trumpy, that are the most Republican and conservative, Idaho, South Dakota, Kansas, Mississippi, why are they the ones that are seemingly the most hesitant about giving Trump his cabinet?
You know, Charlie, this is a question that I ask myself often.
You know, we have very moderate senators from deep red states.
It's those senators who represent deep red states that we need to be the strongest conservatives.
But unfortunately, as so often happens, that is just not true.
The case.
And I don't know what it is, Charlie.
I don't know if it's just that they have their own interests.
I mean, you know, I've heard whispers of, you know, other senators have interests in the military-industrial complex.
Pete Hegseth is a threat to those interests.
And because those senators have ties to those organizations, they don't want Pete because they want those organizations to be intact.
Other senators, you know, probably wanted to be Secretary of Defense themselves, so maybe that's why they oppose it.
There are any number of political reasons why a senator might oppose Pete Hegseth, but I don't think that they should.
He's a good man.
He's eminently qualified.
He's reform-minded.
He's exactly what the warfighters need and exactly what the warfighters want, by the way.
And I'm telling you, I cannot...
Charlie, I have heard from so many boots-on-the-ground members of our military, doesn't matter what service, Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard, Space Force, the warfighters want Pete Hegseth.
But this big PSYOP, this big information op, all of these character smears...
It is for those 50-plus Republican senators inside the beltway and not for the rest of us.
So if you're Pete Hegseth, you got to know, and I want him to know, that the American people, the people who elected Trump, President-elect Trump in an electoral college victory and an historic popular vote victory, those people expect Trump.
Change.
And President Trump was elected with a mandate to deliver that change.
And Pete Hegseth represents that change.
So Republican senators who are evaluating whether or not to confirm Pete Hegseth, I mean, to me, there's no evaluation necessary.
This is what the American people voted for.
But I would respectfully ask them to just have a conversation with Pete.
You will see very quickly that he's eminently qualified for the job.
You know, don't listen to all these personal, slanderous, you know, false smears.
Evaluate whether or not Pete is qualified for the job and if you have an honest conversation with the guy, you will realize very quickly that he is.
Yeah, and so these Senate Republicans, for their own reasons and ones that are not totally disclosed, seem to not actually respond to voters, but to special interests or their own very weird private ideology.
And they seem insistent on thwarting the president's agenda and just not even ignoring, but just kind of casting aside What would be a great team of changemakers?
And so, Pete right now needs to navigate this thicket.
As going through this, Sean, similar things.
What is this like?
Personally, I mean, you're not sleeping.
Your phone is lighting up all the time.
Can you just give us a little bit of detail of what it's like to be on the receiving end of a nonstop media propaganda blitzkrieg?
Thank you for asking that question.
Because Attacks like this affect more than just the person who is on the receiving end of them.
I can tell you with certainty that, you know, I have five children.
This affected them in a very deep and profound way.
You know, they weren't on the ballot, but they sure as heck knew exactly what was going on.
They were exposed to false things that they should have never been exposed to.
My family, extended family, my friends, they were all dragged into this.
All, you know, because of false media smears.
You know, in this case, we're talking about a Pennsylvania Senate race back in 2022.
Don't want to go too deep into that.
But the point is, this deeply affects...
You know, people's family.
And I know for a fact that as strong as Pete is and as strong as his wife is, you know, he's got little kids and they're watching everything that happens.
And I'm telling you, my friend, they don't deserve that.
And what's happening to Pete right now?
His children, who are all young, will remember it for the rest of their lives.
This, to me, is yet another rallying cry for Republican senators.
Don't run from this fight.
Lean into it.
It's not just about confirming Pete, but it's about circling our wagons around someone who is well qualified and saying to the media and their allies on Capitol Hill, the Democrats in Congress, that no, this is a line that you're not going to cross.
We're not going to allow you to destroy this man and his family.
We're not going to allow his family to become collateral damage for a political agenda.
Dig in, fight back.
That's what the American people expect of you.
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So Sean, the talking points for the neocons is that, well, we need to have a strong American foreign policy, which of course you and I agree with, but there's a very important distinction here.
We're not into the abstractions of building other people's pension funds or railway systems or solar panels for the Taliban.
We want to kill the enemy, protect the homeland, and not be involved in multi-decade nation building.
What does an America first foreign policy look like?
Well, yeah, first of all, I completely agree.
Listen, Charlie, I was in Afghanistan for 485 days in 2006 to 2007. My platoon took an 85% casualty rate.
Some of my men were wounded twice.
One guy was wounded three times.
I was wounded myself.
This was the longest combat deployment in global war on terror history.
I have seen, and first of all, I fought the enemies of this country up close and personal.
We killed over 350 enemy fighters, didn't hurt a single civilian in the process.
I've been on the receiving end of enemy fire.
I know the cost of war.
And when I came home, I was the rear detachment commander for my unit as a captain and was responsible for knocking on the doors to families of the fallen.
It was the hardest job that I've ever had.
We were in Afghanistan for over 20 years.
I'm 43 years old, so about half of my life we were fighting in Afghanistan.
And what do we have to show for that war?
All that blood, all that treasure, all the sacrifices wasted in Afghanistan because politicians, Joe Biden and his administration, decided to surrender there in the most embarrassing way possible.
And you look at Afghanistan.
Iraq is no different.
We left Iraq.
We created a void.
ISIS filled that void.
They rampaged across the Middle East, leaving bodies in their wake in every country along the way.
What do we have to show for that?
Trillions of dollars spent, thousands of Americans dead, tens of thousands wounded, hundreds of thousands of Americans suffering from the invisible wounds of war, a million Iraqis dead because of that conflict, and now the very same people, both Democrats and Republicans, have got us into a quagmire in Ukraine that will likely end the same exact way unless a bold reform strategy is taken when Donald Trump gets in office in January.
But an America first foreign policy means exactly that.
It means putting this country first.
It means, yes, we understand that war is sometimes necessary.
And by the way, if America or our interests are ever threatened, I will be the first in line to fight for this country.
But we should not be sending America's sons and daughters frivolously into the fight.
In fact, that should be a last-ditch effort in pursuit of peace.
I'm almost anti-war in almost every way because of my experiences in war.
And so for me, an America First foreign policy means putting the interests of Americans actually first, maybe protecting our border instead of spending hundreds of billions in Ukraine for them to protect theirs.
I love that.
And Sean, in closing here, with so many threats that are emerging, the essence of so much of our foreign policy is, do you care more about the prosperity of the American people or some sort of foreign, abstract, very hard to pin down talking point?
Final question, one minute remaining, Sean.
Do you think the Republican Party is changing for the better in this regard, understanding that?
I think Trump and Trump allies are.
I am not sure the Republican Party is there yet.
Although I will also say this, this is President Trump's Republican Party.
This is an America First Party.
This is exactly where the base is.
And I think moving forward, the major question that most of us should have is like, look, best case scenario now, we've got four years of President Trump, who I think was the best president of my lifetime.
What then?
And so I think our focus, and I know it's your focus as well, to get as many great America First candidates in office as humanly possible to rectify this problem.
But far too many Republicans say, we've got to fight terrorists there.
We've got to fight them there to keep them from here.
Those are lazy stock platitudes that have done nothing but get us into one foreign policy disaster after the next.
I'm so glad you said that.
And by the way, whenever you ask them, well, what does that mean?
It's one platitude.
It's just that doesn't make any sense.
Okay, Sean, thank you so much.
Plug your program 20 seconds here, Sean.
Plug whatever you want.
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I'm also on Twitter at Sean Parnell USA. But as always, Charlie, thank you for having me and giving me this platform.
You're the best, Sean.
Talk to you soon.
Thank you.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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