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Nov. 28, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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A THOUGHTCRIME Thanksgiving

Charlie, Jack, Tyler, and Blake debate all-important Thanksgiving holiday questions, including:   -Is steak an acceptable Thanksgiving dish? -Why are there no great Thanksgiving films? -Is Black Friday ruined? -Is the date of Thanksgiving a sneaky plot by FDR?Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Okay, everybody.
Hello.
It is Thought Crime Week.
It is Thanksgiving week.
And we are here.
By the way, the official uniform of Thought Crime this week is the Thanksgiving uniform.
I decided to go as Charlie Kirk for this Thanksgiving.
I didn't fully shave.
I might later.
And then, like, your hair thing where you do, like, the down-up.
It's like the down-up.
It's the natural colic.
It's like a Nike swoosh.
It is.
I have it trademarked.
Is that why you only wear Nikes?
I actually don't only wear Nikes, but I should.
So we also have Blake and Tyler as well.
What are they wearing?
Let's see.
Blake is probably wearing a t-shirt.
I'm wearing my turkey hat.
I believe this is a Kirkland shirt.
I don't actually have a Costco membership, but I'll be honest, my mother buys a lot of shirts for me.
I'm wearing my turkey hat, my Native American shawl.
I hear all you guys in there.
And then my Arizona State t-shirt because we're going to the Big Tall Championship unless things go awry on Saturday.
Well, maybe.
Hold on, Tyler.
You know the story of Arizona football.
Whatever is predictable.
Tyler knows this.
They will curse whatever inevitable path they have.
They mess it up.
It is an inevitability of Arizona State football.
I've got a front row seat, Charlie, on Saturday with my two brothers right behind Kenny Dilliham and down in Tucson.
This is a very dumb question.
Oh, you're going down to Tucson.
I'm going down to Tucson and front row seat.
I like Tucson.
It's going to be a miserable drive.
You do not know what you feel.
This is a dumb question, having never gone to an ASU football game.
Do they just suffer in complete agony for their first three home games of the season?
Because it's a trillion degrees out?
Oh, no, they do evenings.
They do them in the evenings.
It's still 95 degrees in Arizona.
It's a nice brisk 98. It's really nice.
But here's the factoid for everybody that's listening.
Arizona has the longest rivalry game in the country.
The Territorial Cup.
Between Arizona State and Arizona.
People don't believe it.
Look it up.
No way.
Oregon State has to be.
No.
Look it up.
Territorial Cup is the longest recognized NCAA football rivalry.
Longest played or longest uninterrupted?
See, now he's in.
Here come all the caveats.
Yale-Princeton goes back to 1873. No, it's the oldest.
It's the oldest.
Is it like the oldest that has a trophy for it?
How is it older than 1873?
Yale-Princeton is pretty...
I mean, Yale-Princeton was 1873. No, but the rivalry game.
I'm surprised it's not older than that.
Yale-Princeton is a rivalry game.
They hate each other.
You have to look up the territorial...
Montana, Montana State.
1897. That's pretty old.
We were before.
Illinois State, Eastern Illinois, 1901. Arizona wasn't even a state back then.
There couldn't be an Arizona state because there wasn't a state.
I'm looking online and it says the duel in the desert is just 1899 and there's many rivalries that are older than 1899. There's Michigan-Notre Dame, 1887. Duke, North Carolina, 1888. Guys, guys, it's the oldest one that Tyler knows about.
No, no, no.
Look, Google Territorial Cup.
Army-Navy game, 1890. I feel like the Army-Navy game is pretty old.
And they're still going.
Territorial Cup, the nation's oldest rivalry trophy.
Oh, this trophy.
You can't really have a cup without a trophy.
You can just spiritually have one.
That's it.
And that was territorial.
That's what's called a territorial cup.
Sounds like your territorial.
And Arizona State was the normal school.
And that was it.
Big time.
All right.
I'm not saying it's good football.
I'm just saying it's...
By the way, since it is a Thanksgiving Day episode, I wanted to flag that we have all something very important to be grateful for.
Remember Real Raw News?
Yeah, Arizona was 1912. You remember Real Raw News, America's only trustworthy news source?
Yes.
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She has come back from a vacation in Hawaii, but they nabbed her.
According to the story, there were moles inside of her Secret Service detail, and they couldn't get her in Hawaii.
I guess Hawaii is like the deep state safe zone where they control things.
But they got her back to D.C., which is also a deep state safe zone, but not as safe.
And so they managed to take her into custody.
She and Doug Emhoff will be sent to Gitmo to stand trial for treason.
I'm glad Real Raw News was able to get it.
Happy Thanksgiving, ladies and gentlemen.
I was worried that she might be out there making those greens.
So Tyler's half right.
It's the oldest trophy.
It's the oldest trophy.
That is legit.
So it is the oldest trophy.
The Territorial Cup.
It's pretty impressive for Arizona.
It doesn't sound like it's a trophy.
It sounds like it's a cup.
Nothing's older than it.
Yeah, he's right.
The Territorial Cup was created 125 years ago for the 1899 championship.
It's the oldest rivalry trophy in college football.
But what was the school even called before?
I don't know.
ASU was called the Normal School.
It was called the Normal School.
It was called Tempe.
It was literally called Tempe Normal.
Tempe Normal.
And Arizona.
Huh.
And that was called Arizona State Teachers.
The Territorial Cup is so old that it literally is like a cup.
It looks like a vase that you put flowers in.
I'm actually impressed that I thought no one lived in Arizona until like 1930. No, my ancestors were there.
It was literally just two football teams.
Prior to 1912, it was just two football teams.
It's remarkable.
And to go, you had to replace someone on the team.
Arizona's population in 1890 was 88,000 people.
When did your family move here?
We chased more than twice as many years.
65% of them were related to Tyler.
I'm a seventh generation in Arizona.
When did the oldest Boyer show up here?
It wasn't Boyer.
It was lambs and those people.
But it was the 1860s.
In 1860, the population of Arizona was 6,482 people.
That is OG. Second cousins with Sheriff Lamp.
Yep.
Man, now there's 6,000, there's like probably more than that within like a couple blocks of here.
Oh yeah, for sure.
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Okay, guys, we have to talk about Thanksgiving.
Is it okay to eat steak on Thanksgiving?
I really worry...
Yes, but not if it's the only thing you eat on Thanksgiving.
No.
That's incorrect.
Incorrect.
Not allowed.
No.
You can have...
Tyler and I were discussing this.
You're saying not at all?
Not at all.
Not at all.
You can have...
You must have turkey.
It is required to have turkey.
You may have ham if it is supplementary to the turkey, but any meat you have should be from a central meat dispensing entity.
You cannot have individualized servings of meat.
That is my position on this.
So steak is not from a central meat dispensing entity?
No, you don't make a 50-pound steak and then take a piece of it and pass the giant super steak around.
Like, that's what you do with ham or turkey.
Like, you make the whole turkey or you make the whole ham, and then you, like, cut a little bit of it.
But you don't do that with steak.
No, but that's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying.
You can have a separate serving of a plate of steak for people.
You just...
Similar to the ham.
No, it's just wrong.
Like...
Because ham is...
Ham is, like, supplement to the turkey taste.
You have to have turkey and ham on your plate.
You don't need ham, though.
No, you don't need ham.
You have to have turkey.
No, no, no.
I'm a turkey purist.
But some people think that they can start to get really...
Now, Christmas is a completely different ballgame.
Totally.
There are no rules with Christmas.
Ham is usually center, but steak is acceptable.
You want the ham.
Yeah, but no, but still, Christmas is a whole...
Thanksgiving, it is un-American not to have either turkey...
Some sort of dressing.
Cranberries.
But here's the thing about the cranberry thing.
If you want to be an ultra-traditionalist, it must be straight out of the can, taken vertically with no adjustments.
And now if you want to have the cranberry...
Wait, is this some Chicago thing now?
Hold on.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
And if you want to have cranberry with adjustments, that could be supplementary.
But, however, it must be out of the can, and you just take it vertically, and it just jiggles.
Walk me through your stuffing.
The stuffing is very interesting.
Okay.
Now, here's the big question.
Yes.
Does the stuffing go in the turkey, or is it prepared outside of the turkey?
Is that stuffing versus dressing?
Do you prepare it and then put it in, cook it with the turkey?
Or some people will prepare it and then just put it in for, like, the final lay.
See, that's a little...
You gotta go the full lanta.
So, dressing has to be, obviously, cornbread.
Yes.
Some sort of celeries and carrots.
Sure.
Sausage.
Need your crunch factor.
Little crunch.
Mix that all together.
But you know what makes the stuffing really kicker?
The gravy.
Yes.
And so, you need the gravy.
You have the stuffing.
You have the jiggling cranberry.
You got the turkey.
And that's all that's accepted.
And then maybe green beans and then sweet potatoes.
Green bean casserole.
How do you make the sweet potatoes?
No, no, no.
See, now we're getting to...
No, no, no.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
What's the issue with green bean casserole?
I just...
It's not allowed.
What do you mean it's not allowed?
You're getting too cute.
Green bean casserole.
No, it's a staple.
It's a staple.
It's a total staple.
With the...
No, no, with those little crunchy things on top.
The fried onions.
No, no, no.
I like...
What?
I like the long, uninterrupted, unblemished...
Green beans.
With butter?
With butter.
Yeah.
That's good, though.
No, those are good, too, but that's not green bean casserole.
I never said casserole.
The casserole is a...
No, we are saying casserole is a staple.
It's an absolute Thanksgiving staple.
I don't think it's a staple.
100%.
And then, let me think what else.
Okay, yes, then the sweet potatoes.
Sure.
But none of this marshmallow stuff.
You see, this is new age, and it's a mistake.
We're all of a sudden... - We're going full trad.
It's a mixture of...
It's like 1950s Thanksgiving.
Right.
That's why it's like the...
No, no, no.
I'm saying no marshmallows.
No, no, no marshmallows.
The marshmallow thing is a disgrace.
Well, Charlie, hold on a second, though, because there is one thing...
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
There is one thing, one dish, that we know for a fact was served at the original Thanksgiving, Charlie.
You know where I'm going with this.
Smallpox?
No, no, no, Charlie.
Not what we served.
What was served to us.
Oh, got it.
Corn.
Oh, see, no, no, no.
Corn was served at the original Thanksgiving, Charlie.
The only corn that is acceptable is cornbread, I will say.
You have to bend the knee to the corn god, and cornbread has to be either the dressing, the stuffing.
Do you agree, Tyler?
Well, long-time thought time listeners will remember that Charlie is like...
Blake radicalized me against the corn god.
He's an anti-cornite.
I think corn has no redemptive value, unless it is for Thanksgiving, because then it is a sacrament to Squanto.
No, corn is good in the summertime.
We eat the corn on Thanksgiving to show our thanks that the angry corn god has not destroyed us.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Corn on the cob is summer.
This is exactly right.
I forgot the corn god's name in there.
No, no, we're not talking about corn on the cob.
We're talking about corn elements.
Cornbread, for example.
Cornbread is great.
Even Charlie Kirk, the chief anti-corn.
Wow, this is huge.
This is big.
Let's be very clear.
Thanksgiving is not about what you want to do.
It is what your ancestors did.
It's about what you must do.
No, that's what I'm saying.
It's not about...
I don't care about it.
If you don't like cranberries, you don't like turkeys, suck it up.
It's Thanksgiving.
There is no...
This modernity, like, I'm going to put...
Tanya will not eat turkey.
It doesn't matter.
She'll make it.
She won't eat it.
Figure it out.
She won't eat it.
So here in Arizona...
I don't know what to tell you.
I completely agree with Charlie.
I think the canned cranberry is a must on the table.
However...
You have to have...
Boom!
You have to have a second...
In Arizona, we have jalapeno cranberries.
Incredible.
If you haven't had it...
Now you're regionalizing this too much.
No, it's good.
Jalapeno cranberries.
No, no, no.
It adds a little spice.
It's just a little bit.
It's like when I went to the Grand Canyon last summer and I discovered that I guess they just sell like prickly pear everything at every Arizona.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's anywhere in Arizona, really.
So I have a question for everybody, though.
And this is getting deep into the weeds.
So we talked about stuffing or dressing.
Moist stuffing or dry stuffing?
It's got to be dry, but the gravy makes it moist.
If you make it too moist, you can always make it more moist.
It has to be on the spectrum of tilt moist, but not too much.
Because if it's too dry, then it's just too brittle.
And brittle, there's nothing worse than brittle dressing.
Do you call it dressing or stuffing?
I'm noticing that you call it dressing.
It should be stuffing, however, I've been corrected many times.
I've always called it stuffing, even though it's not technically stuffing unless it's within the turkey.
Yes.
Dressing's outside the turkey, stuffing's inside.
No, it's not.
No, I grew up calling it stuffing, even though we never put it in the turkey.
No, but it's the, I mean, I get that, but the type of food would be called still stuffing.
Dressing is like for salads.
No.
No, no, no.
Dressing is outside.
It's cooked in its own tray.
No, I reject that completely.
For me, stuffing is like a type of food, and it should be used to stuffing it, but it is still stuffing, even if it's not doing the stuffing.
Dressing is outside where we don't use the name properly, but we still call it that because it used to be done that way.
I'm excited for Thanksgiving at this point.
This is great.
So people know we're pre-taping this.
Yeah, ahead of.
We are, today is, we are on Tuesday.
We blew off Thanksgiving.
We're supposed to be eating right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So now let's now go to the more fundamental question.
Okay.
Dessert.
Okay?
Because that really is what...
Do you need a set...
Well, for me, I mean, if I have...
All right, go ahead.
No, no, you go.
I have at times, and my mom knows this, I have left the house, gone to the store, and purchased the ingredients for pumpkin pie and brought it home and made it myself because there was no pumpkin pie available.
It is required.
Oh, I completely agree.
It is like the first commandment of Thanksgiving is, thou shall have pumpkin pie with whipped cream.
It is a non-negotiable.
If it's not there, like, I got up, I got in my car, I was like, I'm just gonna go.
Now, Ryan asks a really good question.
Is Thanksgiving meal a lunch or a dinner?
The answer is around 3.30 to 4 p.m.
That is the sweet spot.
Right as the sun is going down in Chicago, boom, you sit down, right?
That is way too late.
It is itself its own meal.
That's way too late.
You do it, I would say, Neff family tradition is maybe 1 to 1.30 p.m.
Ah, it's so early.
That's super early.
What are you doing?
Half time of the second football game.
When are you going to sleep?
Half time of the second football game.
Like five?
Yeah, you gotta smell it.
The first football game is the Lions.
The Cowboys are always second.
We have a tradition in our house.
Halftime at Cowboys, we get seated.
Because we're cheering that the Cowboys will lose.
Yes.
Well, that's good, but that's just way too...
We're in Philadelphia, so...
Way too late.
We share that tradition as well.
Oh, TV's off during the meal.
TV's in the room.
TV's off, yeah.
I greatly dislike the TV sanctification of Thanksgiving.
I don't know.
I would watch...
I would consider it...
If the Packers are on, I would watch the Packers.
But I do not consider it essential to watch.
Now there's three games on Thanksgiving.
Well, we usually have like...
No, this is true.
There has been a desecration.
It used to be only two games.
And it was on Fox.
It would be the Lions, who used to be bad, and now they're good.
And actually, who do they play this week?
Let me see.
I bet it's actually a pretty good lineup.
And then it was the Cowboys, but now NBC got greedy, because it was Fox had their game, CBS had their game, and then NBC got greedy, and they snuck in their own.
So is that this week?
No.
Okay, let me see here.
What do we got?
We got a new week of football.
Okay, there's three games.
Oh, Blake, you're in luck!
Yeah, I know.
I know.
It's the evening game, too.
The Dolphins are visiting Lambeau.
Okay, I'm going to be watching that.
Oh, and Chicago plays on Thanksgiving.
Oh, wow.
They're going to get annihilated.
They're going to die.
At Detroit.
By the way, you can tell who's having a better season.
Tickets start at Ford Field for $181.
Tickets start at Jerry Stademan, $28.
Yeah, my son asked me the other day, because he saw when we went to the Eagles game, and he was all jealous that we went.
And so he was like, oh, Daddy, give me some Eagles tickets.
We'll go.
And so we looked up the ones for Thanksgiving weekend, and I was like, I got to sell a lot more pillows.
Yeah.
Like, Eagles tickets right now are, it was, $500 was, like, the highest nosebleed.
311 is where they start at.
Insane.
Yeah, this weekend.
You're seeing, what, 311?
And that's in Baltimore.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But Baltimore's so close, you're basically, you're basically in the same.
Philly light, right?
Yeah, you're pretty much in, I mean, it's like 90 minutes, you know, the way I drive, it's 90 minutes.
Okay, so now that we have developed something...
By the way, by the way, I don't want to throw my mom under the bus because every single year, and I know she's going to watch this, every single year post that, there's like a selection of pumpkin pies that is always available.
That's the way it must be.
By the way, do you think that pecan pie can also make an appearance?
Of course.
Other pies can be there, but pumpkin is the only one.
No, pecan pie, I actually prefer more than pumpkin pie.
However, I must have a slice of pumpkin pie first.
Wait, wait, wait.
Were you always like that, though?
When you were little- My mom makes a killer pecan pie.
Okay.
Like, destroys the world.
Okay.
What about- It's so good.
So when I was younger, I was always pumpkin, but then pecan pie- Well, now we're getting into chocolate pecan pie, and that's where you just surrender.
You're just done at that point.
So you throw, because guys, folks who don't know, Charlie, you're usually pretty strict with your diet.
Pretty strict.
No, no, no, but Thanksgiving's different.
Thanksgiving, you go all in, and it is a holy day.
By the way, I think Thanksgiving's one of America's greatest traditions.
It is.
Because it's a day just to give thanks.
I think it's uniquely awesome.
Talk about that for a little bit because there's, you know, a lot of people say, well, it's, you know, it's just about the, you know, it's the Indians, it's the pilgrims.
Well, everything is what you make of it, right?
Who cares?
There's no God involved.
Why do you say it fully?
Well, no, first of all, the pilgrims were definitely giving thanks to God.
They were?
They were not giving, you know, thanks to Brahman.
They're giving thanks to the Almighty God.
But yeah, secondly, I just think it's amazing, especially during this season where we have such abundance and we won the election, that there's a day where you just stop and you say thank you, which then of course acknowledges you're saying thank you to a higher power.
And I don't know of another nation or another country that has a day of gratitude.
I think I actually said this once and I guess there was like some random African country that has it and that's fine.
I got like in trouble for saying this last year.
Okay, so fine.
I guess Senegal has a day like that.
I'll look it up.
Great job, Senegal!
Or whatever.
Following in some good footsteps.
But a day of gratitude.
I subscribe to the Prager.
Hopefully he's doing better.
He's fighting like crazy right now.
Belief, he's really struggling.
That happiness is impossible if you are not grateful.
And I believe that.
I do not think you can have joy.
I do not think you can be content if you are not grateful.
And I think it's a beautiful thing as a nation.
We have a day to say thank you.
Shout out to the OG who always told us the true story of Thanksgiving, Rush Limbaugh.
Oh, man.
He was an OG on that.
He just did it every year.
I've got a recording of it somewhere.
We used to play it.
I've got to re-listen that.
It's so good.
Send that to me now.
I've got to try to recreate it.
I did something on the show last year where I sort of like...
I didn't try to do it, like rushed it, but I told the story.
And people just have to keep telling that story over and over.
They tried socialism.
It failed.
Then they tried giving people ownership of their various plots of land.
And then they had an overabundance of their harvest.
And so they gave thanks to God.
What a concept.
What an incredible concept.
But instead, now it's all like, oh, the Pilgrims were dying, and the Indians had to come, and they saved the Pilgrims because they were stupid Europeans, didn't know anything.
Even though Squanto had actually lived in Europe, he had been in London more recently than the Pilgrims had.
So he spoke English so well, but of course, you know, facts are, you know.
Blake, you were saying something.
Well, so first of all, I was saying we should make fun of Canada for having their knockoff Thanksgiving.
That is just one month before ours.
I think we should always seize every opportunity to bully Canada because it's fun.
But also, even the full story of Thanksgiving, because evil liberals always want to dunk on it.
It's even more beautiful than just the pilgrims doing it when they settled here.
Like, the very first, like, annual Thanksgiving national holiday, fourth Thursday in November, like, clockwork.
That was started by Abraham Lincoln in 1863. Yep.
Middle of the Civil War, the peak of the Civil War.
I think that's probably the bloodiest year of the Civil War.
And he says, yes, like, in the middle of this, we're going to have a celebration of national Thanksgiving.
And, like, that was what set it as a national holiday.
George Washington declared a day of Thanksgiving.
It's...
Truly, you know, it's a great thing because it is possibly the one great national tradition that was created in America that we have had for the entire history of America that is just totally our own thing.
And then us being America, we have exported it to the rest of the world in various ways.
Someone was very shocked to learn.
I was talking to a foreigner who was like, wasn't Black Friday this week?
No.
No, Black Friday is this week.
And it's kind of terrible.
Now we...
I used to be a Black Friday person, but now I'm done.
It's awful.
It's just so awful.
And it's not even Black Friday anymore, because Black Friday...
Well, Charlie, given everything that you just said about the importance of Thanksgiving, what do you think about the people who leave Thanksgiving dinner early to go and start shopping?
First of all, I totally...
When I grew up, it was actually Black Friday.
Yeah.
Now it's like Black Thursday evening.
Right.
And it's not like you start lining up.
The sales actually begin.
It's actually interesting.
For younger listeners that don't know, after so many people got trampled in the Walmart raids because people would line up, they keep the stores open.
Right.
They don't close them and reopen them.
Because it used to be that Walmart would close and then you'd line up and you'd go.
And then all the deals and the sales would be set and then people would get trampled so much.
I think someone almost died and they got hospitalized and there were tons of lawsuits.
No, people did die.
This is the plot of that.
Did people die?
Is that right?
I didn't know that.
Yeah, people died.
People got ran over.
If you watch that Thanksgiving...
I didn't know they died.
There's that Thanksgiving horror movie.
This is actually the plot where people get killed and then someone's getting revenge on the people who started the stampede.
So, I had no problem with, like, you have a really, really good Thanksgiving, and then you want to get good deals on stuff.
And I think that was fine.
It was like a good kickoff to the Christmas season.
But, and it used to be, when I grew up, there was a grittiness to Black Friday.
It took real spirit.
So you have to understand, I grew up in Chicago.
It would always be like sub-20 degrees.
And if you wanted to get a Black Friday deal, you had to earn it.
So you had to like leave with your family at like 10 p.m.
after all that turkey's full.
And you like stood in line at Target from the open their doors at 1201. Yeah.
Right?
And you would like shop all night and you would like get 7-Eleven coffee and get home by like 5 a.m.
and you felt like I earned this deal.
And it was like a sense of accomplishment.
You know what I mean?
And you had to have, there was like a limit to what you could get.
Of course!
And it was very narrow.
So it was like one specific thing.
We would go through catalogs and go through what was on sale.
This was all before internet.
I'm going to throw to Blake in a second.
The internet ruined it.
Also, there was a divide and conquer strategy of what stores are we going to hit?
Are we going to go to Best Buy?
Are we going to go to Home Depot?
And you're shopping for other people.
And there was a real conquest chess game.
Oh, yeah.
Where it's like, oh, wow.
Best Buy opens at 1130 and Walmart's at midnight.
My strategy would always be, like, I would find the one store that was, like, within a 45-minute drive.
Yes.
But in, like, a non-populated area.
And it was so much fun.
That people didn't think about.
Or, like, a Staples, because nobody thinks that Staples would have stuff, but they do have computers and different, you know, hide items.
So, like, what's the thing that people aren't going to think about?
And that's where I'm going to go.
And now you just wait for Cyber Monday and click a couple buttons.
And so all the adventure of it, and you don't earn it anymore.
It used to be you'd get home at 3.30 in the morning, you're like, I got a good deal on a big screen TV. It was a teenage rite of passage in suburban Chicago.
Your thoughts?
Yeah, it was really...
I can still think of individual things I went out of my way to get on Black Friday.
I think I still have a PlayStation 3 that I got in 2011. I think I can remember the exact deal.
It was a PS Slim, $250.
It came with LittleBigPlanet and some crummy Ratchet and Clank game.
Who cares?
But that was the best deal you could get for, I think, two years after that point.
But what ended up killing it was...
As you said, you'd go for the time.
It used to be, okay, it was on Black Friday normal hours.
Then they would open it at like 6 a.m. in the morning and people would show up before.
Then someone got ahead and made it, oh, let's open exactly at midnight.
And then what finally killed it, I think, the rise of the internet was a factor.
But another thing that killed it was companies decided to get so greedy and they just said, we're doing Black Friday on Thanksgiving.
And they would just be open on Thanksgiving with those deals.
And I think to America's credit, there was popular backlash to this where they're saying, wait, you're forcing employees to skip Thanksgiving to come in and work on Thanksgiving.
Oh, yeah.
Though, I must hedge, I have to be personally grateful for the fact that stores are open on Thanksgiving, some of them, because I visited a friend, this is about 10 years ago, I went down to a friend in Tennessee for Thanksgiving, and I took a megabus down.
You know, poor, we have to travel by bus.
And I took a Megabus down and I had a bag under it and I had to get off in Chattanooga, which was the final destination was Atlanta.
And they get out and they're like, okay, where's your bag?
I'm like, oh, it's under the thing and they open it and they feel around.
They're like, ah, yeah, we can't find it.
We have a schedule to do.
We have to go.
And they just drove away with my bag, with all of my changes of clothes, and I arrived late Wednesday night.
So I had to go to a Walmart, which, thanks to American capitalism, was open on Thanksgiving, and I had to buy an entire set of clothes for the whole weekend.
So I had that perspective.
I actually, one of my first jobs was in high school.
I took the seasonal job at Target and my first day, like first real day was Black Friday.
So I had to wake up after Thanksgiving when I was like a sophomore in high school at like literally 4 a.m.
I had to be at Target at 4.30, help stock everything.
This was still the days Did they still open the doors like Charlie was talking about before they just like leave it open or open like super early?
And there would be like, I get there at like four o'clock and there would be a line wrapped around the building that people waited to get in.
And then we had to stock everything.
So here's a crazy story.
So you guys, there's a myth that Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving.
And you know why that's a myth?
Because the real truth is that Thanksgiving is the day before Black Friday.
And that is because...
Let me finish the story.
This is because I am not making it up.
The current date of Thanksgiving is because of an evil plot by FDR. No, I'm not making this up.
So Lincoln's proclamation of Thanksgiving is Thanksgiving is on the last Thursday of the month.
Yes.
It is on the last Thursday.
Right.
It is not on the last Thursday.
It is currently on the fourth Thursday of the month.
That is what the federal law is.
So there are sometimes five...
Which requires a Friday.
No.
So there are sometimes five Thursdays in November, and then it would be on the 4th.
It used to be on the 5th.
And then during the Great Depression, I believe in 1939, FDR got in his head, if there's a longer time between Thanksgiving and Christmas, there will be a longer Christmas shopping season.
And so people will shop more and this will stimulate the economy.
And so he intervened and he moved Thanksgiving to be a week earlier.
And this became a partisan political issue.
And so for a few years, Republican states said, we're not doing this and we're refusing to go along with it.
So you had a Democrat Thanksgiving on the fourth Thursday and you had a Republican Thanksgiving on the fifth one.
And I think Texas, because they were a Democrat state but had a lot of conservative Democrats who didn't like FDR, they called the truce and they just had, they said, they're both holidays.
And they had two Thanksgivings.
And then, sadly, Congress submitted and now it's just on the fourth Thursday and we lost that culture war battle.
But what you were saying, though, there's a deeper...
And producer Faz talks about this all the time.
His birthday was this week, by the way.
Shout out.
He calls it micro-wins, micro-ws.
So, Charlie, you'd appreciate this.
Is that, like...
In your teenage years, and working retail used to be part of this too, but in your teenage years, there used to be a variety of things that you would do as a rite of passage that have all been pretty much completely destroyed because of new technology.
One of those, of course, was waiting in line like this.
Another one of those, you know, having those retail jobs, again, with no phone to, like...
Just, you know, constantly be there getting you through it.
Monotony going through it.
One of the other ones we...
I don't know how I got into this the other day on Twitter.
It's not even Thanksgiving related, but it was like when you used to have to call someone's house and if you wanted to call a girl, you had to call her house and you had to get through mom or potentially dad.
And so it's like the elimination of all those...
Things in society has now created men or adults who don't actually go through any meaningful rite of passage.
No, I mean, I totally agree with that.
I mean, some of these other rites of passage were like elementary things such as be home before dark.
Like, that was, like, a very simple thing, right?
I mean, other rites of passage were that you need to memorize, like you say, the home phone numbers of at least five people that you know.
Yeah, memorizing phone numbers.
Right?
I don't think anybody does that anymore.
Like, anybody.
I know Tonya's.
I know my parents.
I know all the phone numbers from when I grew up.
I know a bunch from when I grew up, yeah.
Like, I know a bunch of my buddies.
But, like, my brother got a cell phone later.
I don't know.
I also think it was really important That when I used to call somebody's house, I had to speak to an adult.
That's what I'm saying.
I think that was a very profound...
Think about that.
Think about that.
I think it's a very underappreciated...
There was no texting.
It didn't exist.
No.
When I was in sixth grade, AOL Instant Messenger was just starting.
Okay.
And that was a thing.
But it had to be on a, like, publicly available computer in my house.
And it wasn't, like, you couldn't, like, bring it with you at all times.
It was, like, there was, like, a very, you know, like...
So it was just, like, logging on and logging off was a thing.
Oh, it was totally a thing.
That they had the away message.
You had the away message.
And you would come home to see if you got any messages.
And I actually, again, I don't even know if that was a healthier version of this crap that we have right now.
Much healthier.
And so I loved AOL Instant Messenger, for the record.
I thought it was really fun.
And it was actually a really, really good service.
It was really, I mean...
I really liked it.
And it was the precursor to a lot of the...
A lot of our social norms on texting came from AOL Instant Messenger.
Oh yeah, that's right.
LOL comes from that?
LOL BRB, TTYL. LOL absolutely comes from AOL Instant Messenger.
AOL still exists, by the way.
There are still millions of people getting dialed up.
They shut down Instant Messenger.
Instant Messenger's been dead.
Not only is Instant Messenger dead.
Is that right?
AIM is done?
AIM is gone.
Charlie, it's even older than that because I was on Instant Messenger because...
Jack and I are a little bit older than you.
I was on a semester.
No, but I'm saying it was big in my community.
Tyler is way older than Charlie.
Way older.
Jack's older than me.
Tyler actually is the first generation.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I loved AOL and Spencer.
AOL and Spencer.
Yahoo, MSN. Here's another rite of passage.
Okay.
Playing a video game so much that it overheats.
That's like a real thing.
Or playing a game.
Jack knows what I'm talking about.
Especially computer games though.
No, no, no, no.
If you play for too long and your computer wasn't that sophisticated or good, the whole hard drive would start to overheat, right?
That's a real thing.
100%.
Or how about another one?
Playing on either Age of Empires or Sims or whatever it was and it malfunctioning before you save or you can log your progress.
Right?
Mom unplugging the Nintendo before...
Well, when you were on, like, level eight of Mario and there was no way to save.
Or mom telling you to pause.
No way at all, boys and girls.
Mom telling you to pause the game when it's actually online and you're playing against other people.
Yeah.
I had numerous times defeating a level in Super Mario and then forgetting to save it and you shut it off and you go back.
You're like, ugh.
Shameful.
It's just so funny.
The things we worried about back then were just so insignificant.
I'll say this.
I don't know if any of you guys remember this one.
I miss New Music Tuesdays.
Does anyone else remember New Music Tuesdays?
Yeah, albums would release on Tuesdays, right?
I think games still release on Tuesdays a lot.
They did at least when I was a kid, I think.
Oh, thank God.
There's something.
But maybe that might have varied now, too.
A group of music.
And it was always Tuesdays that it would come out.
So you used to have like these mini Black Friday type things where you'd go on.
I guess people still kind of do it for games where you would come out for, you know, new music or, you know, a new album was dropping.
So back when music actually was like good.
That being said, I did see Creed again this week.
I'm trying to think of other rites of passage.
Oh, yeah.
Knowing the dial-up sound is definitely a rite of passage.
Like, not having super fast internet all the time.
Just having to sit.
Remember waiting for websites to load?
Do you remember asking friends for rides?
Oh!
Uber existed.
Wait, wait, Charlie.
What about asking directions and having to know directions?
I'm still really good at directions.
Partially because you had to know where you were going.
Like, this was before GPS. How about this?
How about no one?
Printing out MapQuest directions.
Was that not the best?
I used to be cheap, so I would just write it down.
Charlie, were you around?
I was a big MapQuest guy.
I would go to MapQuest, and then I would write down the directions, and then I'd just bring my little note card with me.
What were you saying, Greg?
Charlie, you might be too young.
I once had a journey where my parents made me actually narrate the turns to make on an actual physical map that we had purchased with the highways of America.
Oh, no, no, no.
All the time.
100%, yes.
I remember I was living in New Jersey for two years when I was in junior high.
And my mom printed them out on MapQuest and was going somewhere for my brother's football game and got so lost and turned around, she pulled over in a gas station crying because she didn't know where to go or how to go anywhere.
She was completely lost.
Like, in any place.
I had no idea.
It makes you think, like, actually...
Sorry, I'm off for sharing that.
Is it a good thing or a bad thing we have the GPA? I mean, in some ways, like, we're probably more efficient.
When China comes after us, that's the first thing they're going for.
Oh, yeah.
Day one.
It's that one, then, like, all of our online banking.
It's crazy.
And then we're just all screwed.
I don't know if you still have You have to do this, but I know in London, in the UK, to become a cab driver, you used to have to, maybe you still do, but you had to pass this test called the knowledge, and it was basically, you had to memorize the location of like 27,000 different things in London, and people would lose their minds attempting to pass this thing, and obviously, if it's still around, it's obviously just a gate.
It's more difficult to become a cab driver in London than pass the bar.
I feel like Uber could use a little bit of that.
They've done brain scans of cab drivers that have mastered the knowledge.
And their hippoclamus, which is the actual part of memory, is bigger in their brain than the average person.
And so in order for that to be true, in order...
So that's self-selecting.
No, no, no.
In order for that to be true, one of two things are true.
Either that these are people with disproportionately big hippoclampuses that are coming into the taxi business, or your brain can change.
All three of you guys have giant hippocampuses.
Sorry, hippocampus.
It's the thing that was indelible in Blasey Ford's brain.
Remember?
Indelible in my hippocampus?
However, it was the most profound development of neuroscience in the last 20 years.
Discovery to show that your brain raw material can change based on your environment and your circumstances.
There is no other explanation.
There's no way that people that have disproportionately active parts of the hippocampus all just want to become taxi drivers.
Right.
It's just that this is not a thing.
Well, no, no.
The idea would be then that those are the only ones who can pass the test.
No, again, it's just, it defies logic because you're in the sub-one set of the standard deviation, right?
These people, like, just happen to all want to become cab drivers?
No, no way.
Meaning that your brain can actually become better at a certain task when applied.
So it's like a muscle that...
Yeah, actually, let me find the study.
It's super interesting.
It was in Sean Astor's book called The Happiness Advantage.
Let me see here.
So the idea being then, the more you work it out the same way when you go to the gym and you're like, I'm going to focus on whatever muscle.
This is it right here.
A taxi driver's knowledge is often linked to an enlarged hippocampus, blah, blah, blah.
Key points in the study here shows about brain plasticity.
Phenomenon demonstrates the brain's ability to adapt and change based on the experience where the hippocampus can grow in response to intensive spatial learning.
So let's put this on the flip side then.
The fact that we're all using GPS now.
It makes us dummer.
Is literally...
Unless you do what I do, which is you try to anticipate where the GPS is taking you before.
Because the GPS is like AI. It could be an enhancement to you, or it could just make you totally check out.
Well, it's sometimes wrong.
Well, the GPS is wrong all the time.
Yeah, all the time.
All the time when Mikey's driving, I'm like, why is it taking us this way, not that way?
That's a good sign.
If you are fact-checking your GPS, you are getting actually...
I did this when we were driving around Pennsylvania with my brother during the election, and we were driving from Penn State to Philadelphia.
And at one point, it wanted us to go on this road, which would take us to Baltimore.
And I was like, why are we driving to Baltimore?
It's 83 South.
We need 76 East because we need to go to Philadelphia because we're going to the Eagles game.
And now it eventually, like, picked up.
But I remember sitting there looking at it, and it was just clearly wrong.
It was clearly wrong.
I put it in the chat, Scientific American.
Okay, I got to dash.
You guys keep talking.
Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.
And you guys hold down the fort.
Happy Thanksgiving, Charlie.
Have a great Thanksgiving, Charlie.
I see that now.
I did not realize Charlie was such a Thanksgivophile.
Charlie's missing out on the most important fact.
He even put away his hatred of corn.
I completely agree.
We should do a Thanksgiving dinner for Charlie at AmFest.
I completely agree, Charlie.
I actually think that my favorite.
We'll bring the corn.
We'll put a turkey out.
My favorite holiday is Thanksgiving.
It's the most American holiday.
Charlie's right about that.
It's by far the most American holiday.
It is.
I think it tops the 4th of July.
It's a good one.
I do feel like American Christmas might be better because it so clearly makes libs irate.
In particular, the fact that libs throughout history have repeatedly attempted to kill Christmas.
The more jerkish ones who won the Civil War in England, they tried to ban Christmas.
Wait, Blake, but is it Christian to celebrate Christmas?
It's not in the Bible.
Yeah, I know.
It's weird.
Right after Charlie leaves.
Right after Charlie leaves.
Let's start that debate.
Libs throughout history have tried to kill Christmas repeatedly, and they can't.
They did actually bend it.
They did actually bend it in Massachusetts, I want to say.
Yeah, and they fail.
Christmas always comes back, because normal people love Christmas, because Christmas is awesome.
I'm not disagreeing or arguing with you at all.
That's not my point I'm trying to bring up.
But the one reason why I love Thanksgiving...
And I think this is crazy.
For people who have multiple families they have to go visit.
So when you're married, you have to go see everybody's families and grandparents and cousins, all that stuff, and see everybody.
For whatever reason, Christmas feels so much more stressful going and doing all that.
And Thanksgiving, I mean, you have basically the same amount of stops.
You have to arguably do even more work.
I mean, I think Thanksgiving's a lot of work.
Like, you have to, you know, especially for the moms and grandmas and everybody else that's making food.
But it's just such a less stress-filled day.
Christmas feels way more stressful.
I think a lot of people feel stressed out by Christmas because they fret about giving their kids a perfect Christmas.
Yeah.
I don't think anyone frets about giving their kid the perfect Thanksgiving.
That's a huge part of stress.
That's a huge stress for...
I know for us, when it comes to Christmas, that's always definitely something where...
Going from, like, receiving Christmas to being a parent when you are giving Christmas, along with Santa Claus, that, you know, as a parent, you really have to work with Santa, and there's a lot more that goes on, as opposed to being a kid and you just sort of experience Christmas, that it is stressful.
It's definitely stressful, and it's something that I've noticed.
It's like...
One of the biggest differences of becoming, you know, becoming a parent or becoming a father is that you, you know, and obviously we're not doing a Christmas episode here, but yeah, it's in order of magnitude higher than that for Thanksgiving.
And on Thanksgiving, you don't even have Santa helping you.
Yeah, I typed in the chat, I'm just surprised that Black Friday hasn't been canceled.
You talk about canceling.
Yeah.
It is shocking.
Yeah, I think it, there were a few efforts...
I want to say there were probably a few efforts.
I saw it kind of bubble up more than a few times.
And by the way, you see this pretty often, where they'll say, you know, why is it that a black hat in cowboy movies is associated with negative, or Darth Vader is associated with negative something in a movie, and so the black color is associated with being negative, whereas the white collar is on a white hat is a good person, and white and black, etc.
And so they'll try to do that, but it's just so ingrained in movies that there's not much you can do with it.
Obviously the new Wicked movie that's, you know, that's out right now, which looks horrible, is like totally, you know, totally a play on that as well with, you know, is the witch good or bad?
But of course they...
Instead of that, they actually decided to racialize it as opposed to just leaving it how it is in the book and musical.
So they added this whole other dimension to it.
And you do see this come up with Black Friday every once in a while.
Because they were just kind of going for broke there in 2020, Blake.
They were just trying to go after anything they could think of.
Speaking of movies, there's like no Thanksgiving movies, really.
Should there be more?
Could there be more?
Or do they just get eaten by...
Yeah, there totally should be more.
Well, there's Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.
There's that one.
But other than that, there's just like...
The number one.
There's the Eli Roth horror movie that I haven't seen.
And then there's some like really bad B-movies.
I saw it last year.
Thanksgiving and Thanksgiving 2, according to Wikipedia.
Last of the Mohicans, is that a good thing?
No, Thanksgiving 1 was terrible, but Thanksgiving 2, actually, I feel like it rises above the subject.
Revitalize the franchise.
They went in different directions that I didn't expect.
What about Last of the Mohicans?
Can we make that a...
Is it Thanksgiving?
No, but you'd think there'd be like a classic cartoon Thanksgiving movie that's got like...
Well, you do.
You know what I mean?
Charlie Brown.
That's like pretty OG. Yeah, Charlie Brown is like all you got.
But that's not even a movie.
That's just like a special.
I'm now looking.
I'm looking now.
I guess one thing about it is I think the Thanksgiving, the Macy's parade displaces where you might otherwise watch a Thanksgiving movie.
And football, of course.
Also a reminder, there's a bunch of movies that release on Thanksgiving, so people will go watch the compilation of movies that are coming out.
Like, I'm going with my family on Friday to see Moana 2, which we celebrate because Moana 1 came out in 2016 right after Trump won.
Mm-hmm.
And yeah, I'm looking at the list of...
Wikipedia doesn't have a list of Thanksgiving movies.
They just have a list of movies set around Thanksgiving.
So apparently, like Beethoven?
Oh, Beethoven!
That was!
I think it was on the cover.
Doesn't Beethoven get the turkey?
I haven't seen Beethoven in a long time.
Paul Blart Mall Cop is a Thanksgiving movie?
Yeah, but that's like, again...
That is a scene.
Yeah, because there's a...
Well, no, because there's a Black Friday scene in it.
Okay, alright.
Brokeback Mountain is a Thanksgiving movie, apparently.
Blake, what are you doing right now?
This is a bad, bad decision, Blake.
Wait, the blind side.
The blind side, yeah.
Wait, no, there is that turkey movie.
There is that, like, the Thanksgiving movie where someone tried to make a turkey movie, like, a couple years ago.
Freebirds.
And it was awful.
It was just so bad.
It was not good.
It was so, so bad.
It's one of those low-grade Blue Sky movies, I think, or whatever.
They made a Friendsgiving comedy movie.
Oh, Turkey Hollow.
We watched Turkey Hollow a couple years ago, and it was really weird.
The Big Chill?
Is that Thanksgiving?
It's like the turkeys are like these...
They live in the woods and they're like half fantastical creatures of some sort.
Wait, that's a Jim Henson movie.
Jim Henson's turkey.
Yeah, it's Jim Henson.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, it must be just his company, right?
But it's definitely not a...
Like, Thanksgiving...
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
We're missing the most obvious one that always shows on Thanksgiving.
What?
It's the Miracle on 34th Street.
Is that a...
Because it takes place around...
Wait, but that's obviously a Christmas movie.
Yeah, that's the thing about it.
Sure, but it's obviously a Christmas movie.
Like, Thanksgiving is eaten by Christmas so much.
Yeah, but it's a...
Did you know Jingle Bells is a Thanksgiving song?
Yeah, but go back to that.
That's a traditional Thanksgiving movie.
Jingle Bells is about traveling to visit someone on Thanksgiving, and they've just made it a Christmas song.
Oh, really?
Yeah, but apparently it is a Thanksgiving song.
Where were they living?
They needed a sleigh for Thanksgiving.
I don't know.
Probably part of the same place where the hotel people are still called chambermaids.
Canada?
Yeah.
That's harsh.
Didn't Charlie say chambermaid on that one classic episode a couple of weeks ago?
A while ago.
You've Got Mail is a Thanksgiving movie, apparently.
What?
Some of these are just bizarre.
Since we were talking about AOL. Okay, just because a movie has a scene in it which takes place in a certain, you know, there's like a turkey scene or whatever, that doesn't make it a movie about that.
Unless the movie is...
100% dedicated to the holiday, then it is not a movie that belongs to that holiday.
Well, that's like the debate of whether Die Hard is a Christmas movie.
So, like, Batman Returns is not a Christmas movie.
Die Hard is not a Christmas movie.
It is not.
I agree on that one.
We need Daily Wire to make a Thanksgiving movie, apparently.
Oh, dear.
What is a turkey?
Daily Wire, yeah.
What is a turkey?
A Daily Wire investigation.
Ben Shapiro's Thanksgiving.
Yeah.
He's like, it's like Ben's in the kitchen.
He's so good.
Well, guys...
He's like going through like the perfect cranberry mix.
Is it a lot...
Oh man, this is like...
Oh wait, we forgot to do...
We should have done one thing with Charlie to end it all out.
So we'll have to...
I would go so far as to say I'd love to find a way to like edit this in if we could.
Because we should all go around and say one thing we're thankful for.
Yeah, I agree.
Other than winning.
Other than winning.
We can't say that.
It has to be like a personal thing.
Because that's what we do with my family.
Blake, you can start.
No, you're putting the pressure on me.
So I'll start.
Okay, I'll start.
So actually, my brother Braxton just had his third child two days ago.
There you go.
Two days ago.
So...
Braxton just had his third child, which we're really excited about.
All was great, and baby came out great.
We were worried because I went with my brother to the ASU game on Saturday, and my sister-in-law was a week overdue, so he really shouldn't have been maybe doing that.
But ASU won.
She got induced on Sunday, and...
And then they named the baby Tate, and then they used my middle name, Storm.
So his name is Tate Storm Boyer, which is...
My name is Tyler Storm Boyer.
So they named the baby middle name.
I don't know if it's after me, but it's in the same name.
So very grateful for babies.
I have a...
If I wanted to be serious, I can say it, but it's...
I don't want to give away exactly where I live, but there's this...
I'll just say there's this, like, Christmas tradition that has been going on for just years, and last year it got canceled because there was, like, a financial issue.
And it basically people just kind of rallied and the whole community came together and was like, no, and it was a kids thing and it was like, we're, you know, we're totally going to save this and it's going to come back next year and it's going to be amazing.
And we totally did and I threw a bunch of money in.
And it's back.
And it just started.
And the kids love it.
And it's amazing.
So I'm just really happy for that.
Really thankful that that worked out.
Because we thought we were going to lose this thing.
And I couldn't even tell you what it is.
It's just a thing the kids do every year.
And they can go to.
And it came back.
And it was awesome.
And it is awesome.
And it will continue to be awesome for a long time.
It's going to be bigger now, I think, than ever.
Because, you know, closing down.
And it's sort of like a, you know, a local landmark.
And there was, you know, this This stupid thing that happened last year and it was cool to see people do that and it's just great because I can see that with my kids and then I can take them to see it as well and see that tradition keep going.
I love that.
And also, of course, for Saquon Barkley.
So I'm very, very thankful for Saquon Barkley and the Eagles.
I am thankful that tomorrow, as of when we're recording this, I forgot what day it was, that the Neff family, my parents, my brother, my two sisters, their spouses, their children, will assemble for Thanksgiving.
There will be, trying to do the math in my head, but quite a few number of people, and there will be no libs.
No libs and no steak.
And no steak.
So it will be all proper forms will be observed.
You won't have a single lib in your house?
No libs.
Wow.
I know.
Same here.
The Neff family is a plus.
Yeah, same here.
Even I have a few libs in my house.
Yeah, exactly.
See, we...
Very grateful.
I'll say this, you know, in a gathering of people.
Like I said, it's pretty...
I mean, even...
I mean, in the past, we would have had more satellite branches of the family.
But even if we added those in, it would still be the case.
But...
Maybe, like, one shaky person who, like, voted for Obama in a moment of weakness or something.
But, like, definitely with the core ones.
Like, my parents lucked out.
They had four kids, and none of them, like, went to college and were suddenly like, eh, I realized that Republicans are bad.
Well, all my immediate family is super conservative.
There's some questionable extended family.
But, like, all the marriages are good.
The kids are good so far, although the oldest is, like, the oldest grandbaby is, like, four.
So I guess, you know...
No lib tendencies would be absurd.
We haven't really talked about this, but, you know, the whole, like, libs and conservatives getting it over Thanksgiving, I'm for it.
I'm all for it.
There are several liberal members of the extended Pozo family and on other people's sides who basically just won't come to Thanksgiving anymore, and it's sad, and I think it sucks, and I think there's some things that are bigger in politics.
No, no, no.
It's just because they refuse to be around Trump supporters.
They just will not, you know, sit down and break bread with someone who could support that man.
And it's horrible, you know what I mean?
And I think it's just really sad that they would do that.
But at the same time, it's like, you know, if they ever wanted to come back, there's no...
No hard feelings.
I mean, we just would love to get the family back together again.
It's not even something we're mad about.
I just think it would be really cool for my kids to be able to see that side of the family.
Really great.
So, open invitation.
Not that you're watching thought crime, but it's always open.
100% always open.
Oh, and with that, since we are right at the very tail end here, of course, we're also thankful for the ThoughtCrime audience and for everything that you guys have done throughout the year, year plus that we've done the show.
Hey, we won.
That was pretty cool.
Make sure, by the way, I know we haven't said it, go get your AmericaFest tickets, your AmFest tickets, Amfest.com.
Definitely want to use promo code POSO. Get in early on that because they're going to go super fast.
It's going to be an incredible, incredible event.
And so to everybody watching, happy Thought Crime Thanksgiving.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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