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Oct. 12, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 59 — Bring Back Blue States? Michigan Vibe Shift? Forrest Gump, Bad?
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Hello, everybody. No, no, Jack.
I'm here. He literally got into the seat as the...
I literally just got the message that says, open jack.
It says right there. That was my bad.
It's my bad. And then you sent me your coded message.
I don't know what that is.
I assume if I click on it, my crypto wallet gets strained.
You guys take it.
I am here to absorb.
Okay, alright. Well, we were just talking before we went live.
If you could change anything about the U.S. political system that's not like a partisan thing, like, oh, I'm a conservative, I want a conservative thing to happen, but just change one neutral thing about the system, what would it be?
Because it was like we were talking about how it feels like this is the never-ending election even though we are actually close to the end of the election and it just feels like it started forever and then we know that whatever the next cycle is it's going to start like probably halfway through election night so we were joking before about how the British have this system where you know you're you're only legally allowed to campaign like I forget what it is three or four weeks prior to the general election Yeah.
And so, you know, it would be kind of nice if we could have that.
I mean, obviously it would run up against the First Amendment, but kind of nice if you just like get away from politics for two seconds.
But no, no, we can't do that.
So yeah, the question is, and Blake, that's what you were saying, you'd want to change the primary date, I think?
Yeah, I think I would just make it so, like you said, maybe you have two or three weeks of official campaigning for a primary.
You have your official primary day, maybe like last week of September, first week of October.
Then you have your month election period.
And then, bam, you're done.
It's over. And you can't start campaigning again until pretty close to the next election.
Isn't that just...
How do you reconcile that with free speech, though?
So, I think... I think?
Well, you probably couldn't as easily.
There are obvious consequences.
I'm saying this is a change I would make.
I'm not saying it's illegal to make it.
We're just saying if you were waving a magic wand, it could change something.
You think there should be a national primary date?
Yeah, I think that'd be a good idea.
You want a big government nationalized primary day instead of a state's rights?
I don't know that it's a super important part of states' rights.
You don't think it's important that states get to decide?
Here in Arizona, our snowbirds don't come back until...
As entertaining as it is, and I guess as lucrative as it is for us as people who cover politics, I don't think it's super amazing that it takes eight months, just the primary process, and we have all this maneuvering where Iowa matters a ton, and then New Hampshire, and then like, oh...
To your point...
Wait, if there was one thing I would change, it would be...
The first in the nation primaries.
And so I know there's a lot of people who are like, that's the Holy of Holies, you can't touch it.
How dare you! Oh no, in the RNC too, they're like, you can't touch Iowa or New Hampshire.
You know why we would do this, by the way?
It's because of the corn god. We are enthralled to the corn god who commands that we prostrate ourselves before him in the state of Iowa.
I mean, I think There should be a lottery, and this would be a big thing.
Everybody would be a big national thing, a big lottery thing, and we're all talking about it.
We could do it like the NBA lottery.
If your state is doing really bad economically, you would get more balls than the hopper for getting the first primary.
That's great. If you're the worst, you get more balls.
I think that it's time, and it's still law, To go back to taxpayer-funded presidential elections.
Yeah, I think, I mean, that's how you could do it.
We did it before Obama. No, I mean, it's already law.
By the way, it's not a new law. It's just that every year the candidates reject the money.
I think what you need to do is make the money so hard, like, say that you get $2 billion, and then...
That's it. That's it. But you can't, by the way, just so we're clear, that means there's no fundraisers.
No fundraisers. And then you have to figure out, and I say this as someone who runs an outside group, a PAC and a C4 with Tyler, you've got to figure a way to rein in the outside groups.
The Citizens United case was legitimately the right decision, like constitutionally.
It's bad for our country.
I'm sorry. It is bad.
We're in permanent politics.
I am with the Young Turks on this one.
It is bad.
It is bad.
I totally agree.
To be clear, the specific case, they wanted to censor a documentary attacking Hillary.
A book, actually. That was an insane claim.
Just so we're clear, it was one of those things where it was the right constitutional decision that was bad for the country.
It's the right decision, but here's the point.
Nobody saw what the left was going to do after that, which was basically weaponize all these C3s and C4s.
Exactly. With no regulation.
And we're just barely figuring this out as a nation.
It's so bad. Basically what it has done is it's gamified politics of whoever has the more complex, sophisticated infrastructure against political power, not who has better ideas or a better track record.
That's right. And that's bad.
I just don't think that's actually healthy.
You know why this is bad?
Can I just say this real quick?
You know why I think it's bad? The entire concept of America is built on the individual.
So anything that takes away from the individual, whether that's, again, the same argument the left makes against corporations, this is the same thing as corporations acting as C3s and C4s.
So this would be another controversial kind of secular nonpartisan change, but maybe a little more dangerous and definitely not good for us right now.
But I do kind of wonder if like, would it be good if we had a very long but in existence like term limit on Supreme Court justices?
So it would work this way.
You need to turn this first on Congress before you go to Supreme Court.
That's what I always say. Look in the mirror first.
For sure, for sure. So the thinking here, what I'm thinking is, it's clearly like, one thing that's clearly driving the left insane and why they're going to nuke the filibuster and do all this radical stuff is because they see the Supreme Court as this huge obstacle.
So what if you did it, this is a system, actually I think Steve Saylor proposed this, where basically you still have the nine justices, and what it is is when you get picked, you get an 18-year term, and so a full 18-year term, and if you die or retire, you can be replaced, but that replacement can only serve out your term.
I have a question. And then what this does, just to finish it up, what this would do is, it means every president would get two picks, and It would take three consecutive terms in a row to get a majority on the Supreme Court.
And you wouldn't get this thing where it's not as tempting to pack the court.
And it would diminish somewhat this thing where they've realized having them on the court for life is such an advantage.
So we're picking 40-year-olds to serve on the Supreme Court now.
Because they're like, oh, they'll be there for 50 years.
And it's clearly like...
Both parties are starting to realize the extreme elements latent in the Supreme Court, and I do worry it's going to eventually cause one of them to have a psychotic break and blow up the system.
It's because post-Bork, the Supreme Court has become politicized.
It is much more political.
Prior Bork, it was not.
Bork was the Rubicon.
Yeah. Bork, then Thomas.
And it made sense, too, that we needed it to be more political, because what we were doing is we just had Eisenhower going and picking Earl Warren, and then Earl Warren is going and being like, yeah, I'm just going to remake the entire constitutional order.
And then Berger did the same thing.
Yeah, and Berger was a lot better.
The Berger court was a big improvement.
He sucked. Personally, his court was an improvement over Warren's.
That'll get clipped, because they'll be like, oh, Warren did the...
Warren was really bad.
Yeah, Warren, like, I mean, that's why we get all these, you know, insane pro-crime decisions, and then we had a giant crime surge.
You get... That's where you get the Supreme Court saying, actually, all those laws that ban racial discrimination actually require racial discrimination, and, you know, you have the rights to abortion, like...
All this insane stuff comes out of the judicial ideology they had.
Anyway, that's very much downstream.
Jack had a fun rule he wanted to change in the U.S. political system.
Well, I want to ask you this question before you get to Jack.
Real quick. Would you trade term limits for Congress for Supreme Court?
As in, take Congress term limits instead?
So Charlie said that we need...
Would you want Supreme Court term limits if we could get congressional term limits?
I don't know that term limits in Congress are overall as useful.
I don't know what you'd be fixing with that necessarily.
I worry that if you had term limits in Congress, it would make Congress even more kind of controlled by like lobbyists and DC lifers because there would be no one with like the level of experience in Congress to counteract them.
They would just kind of do what people advise them to.
I think that was the intention of Congress to begin with.
I mean, California has term limits, and is California great?
We have term limits here in Arizona.
Yeah, and I don't know.
I'm not sold on that. One crazy idea I had was if you made it so once you serve in Congress or in a senior executive position...
You can literally never earn more money than you make while a member of government, so there's not as much incentive to cash out.
It's a public service thing.
You maybe go into it after your career is done.
That won't hold up in court, though, unfortunately.
You can't restrict people's income. You can't become a lobbyist.
Eh, I bet you could.
Give me one example of where you've been able to say you can't earn a certain amount of money.
Well, you could earn a certain amount of money, but you could radically increase their tax rate.
Or you could increase, like...
You just take their money.
Yeah! Or you just say this.
I am in favor of taking the money of people who are in the government.
I know. A lot of this stuff will get struck down.
You can just outlaw somebody.
We're kind of wildly speculating here.
The question is if you could change anything.
Just change anything. You can outlaw someone becoming a lobbyist after...
That would be another one. Lifetime or decade-long lobbying ban.
Lifetime. You could do stuff like that.
Often my thought was you could also hike the pay of Congress.
Singapore does this. In Singapore, government officials are paid a ton of money But the standards for them are very high.
So that's one way you could do it. You could maybe say, yeah, senators, you make 400k a year or 500k, but you can never make more than that once you leave.
Or same for the House. And, you know, that would be a few million dollars.
People would be annoyed by it. But I think the incentive shift would be...
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All righty. Well, you're going to miss out on a very fun topic, but it's okay.
Yeah, so, well, Tyler will be good on this.
So the first one that I wanted to say is just that I don't So, you know, just having little kids, it's really tough, and Tyler, I'm sure you can attest to this as well, that it's really tough having election season being this close to Halloween.
Because it's like, you want to do, you know, the fun fall stuff, you want to do jack-o'-lanterns and And Tonya Tay is like, oh, let's go on the hayride.
And I'm like, no, let's go to Pennsylvania and North Carolina and Georgia and win the election and let's go to all this stuff.
And you're like, meanwhile, you know, because it's again, the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November is the Constitution.
And that made sense when we were an agrarian society.
But now it's sort of like, you know, lots of modern countries vote on all sorts of different days.
And You know, Blake and I were joking before we went live that I used the old joke that, oh, we should vote on April 16th so it's the day after everybody pays taxes or something, you know, that's when you have everyone go to the polls.
But it's just like, does it really have to be this close to Halloween?
It's killing you, man. It's just killing me.
I totally agree. We were just actually talking about this with Charlie because Charlie's like, hey, I've got...
He's like, I've got some space on my calendar to do some extra things we're trying to figure out with our team, going out and doing more get-out-the-vote stuff because that's how we're thinking.
We're just like every second, every hour.
And he's like, okay, I have this time on a Thursday.
And I'm like, okay, show it to me.
It was... 10.31.
I'm like, that's Halloween. He's like, can we go do a big rally?
I'm like, it's going to be really hard in the Midwest to get a bunch of families together on Halloween night.
He's like, oh, I didn't think about that.
And I was like, well, what can we do?
We're thinking of some other strategies that we're going to do, some other things later that night while everybody's at home and kids are lining up their candy on the ground.
Halloween's on a Thursday this year.
That means that's a thought crime night, isn't it?
Yeah, I guess. Very spooky edition of thought cards.
Is Charlie normal on Halloween, or does he have...
I know some people are like, you know, it's Soen, and it's like demonic or satanic or whatever.
I mean, look, we have a lot of religious that are listening at home right now who are not big fans of Halloween.
Totally appreciate that.
Totally understand that.
I kick the more, you know, Hallmark approach to Halloween, which is just like...
Culturally, I think this is a thought crime subject that we can kind of maybe transform this into because I totally agree with Jack.
It's like Election year is really tough.
Halloween always sucks because it's literally days, hours, stressful moments before the election.
But here's the bigger question on Halloween is how much should you celebrate Halloween in general as an American cultural element?
I love Halloween because of the culture in it.
When you go overseas, and Jack can probably attest to this a little bit with...
His extended family and everything else.
People abroad have this obsession with how America celebrates Halloween.
It's a really interesting thing.
In Eastern Europe, All Saints Day and All Souls Day are bigger than Halloween.
So, Halloween is growing in westernized places in different parts of even Asia and Europe, but in Eastern Europe, the institution of Halloween goes back to All Saints Day being November 1st, and then All Souls Day is the day after.
In Eastern Europe, if it's early November and you go to the cemetery, and this is where we get the name Halloween, comes from All Hallows' Eve, and hallowed being a soul or a saint.
And so, like when you say that our Father, hallowed be thy name, holy be thy name, hallowed, All Hallows' Eve.
So, on that day, if you go to a cemetery in Poland or anywhere in Eastern Europe, you're just going to see candles everywhere and garlands of wreaths.
And bouquets of flowers.
It's not like the Mexican Day of the Dead, although it's not...
Dissimilar. I mean, there's certainly some similarities to it in terms of honoring those who passed before you.
But that's really where it goes back to.
And so you don't know. You don't get like trick-or-treating and jack-o'-lanards and things like this in other parts of the world and the costumes and all.
Again, you are starting to see some areas that are celebrating it in the American way in the same way that you can go to Japan and China.
In some places, they have Santa Claus and Christmas.
But then of course you can't go to Saudi Arabia and celebrate Christmas because Christian holidays are banned in the kingdom.
So there you go.
All right.
Should we go on to the boat topic?
Wait, wait, wait. But there was the one other change, Blake, that we were talking about before.
Oh yeah, the map?
Yeah, the map. So Tyler, where are you on this?
Because Blake and I are actually in agreement.
Red and blue. We want to change the colors back.
We want to change it back to...
Is what? The greatest cultural hijacking of the Republican Party happened in that election with Bush where they swapped the colors on us.
Blue is a better color.
Thank you! It's the conservative color.
I can't remember who it was. And red are the commies.
Red should always be the commies like they are all around the world.
It was NBC News or CBS. It was one of the two.
Because remember, this is just before the 24-hour news cycle.
Cable news had really taken toll.
And people have to get this. The red states and blue states thing did not exist prior to the year 2000.
That was not a thing.
It was the 2000 election they decided.
Yeah, they totally decided it.
It was NBC got together in cahoots with CBS where you would tune in, and they just decided overnight to swap red states and blue states, probably because they saw polling that said that people didn't like the color red as much.
Well, I think they used to just actually switch it back and forth a lot.
No, that's not true. It was always...
The blue states during Reagan, it was like Reagan was blue, and that was in the American psyche.
You know what it was, though?
Tyler, what it was was that some networks did it that blue was the incumbent and then red was the challenger.
So because Reagan was the incumbent, Reagan was blue, and then his challengers would be in red because red was like the challenger.
But even prior to that, I think it's what Blake said, it was just sort of like you would depict your opposition as blue, basically.
Or excuse me, your opposition would be red because during the Cold War, nobody wanted to be red.
And your point, too, is this, is that worldwide, all of the Labor Party colors, all of the socialism left-of-center colors are always red on every map.
And again, outside of America, it's the conservative parties sometimes take hold, but then most of them are known as liberal democratic parties, which are the Republican equivalents in most countries, and they're always depicted as blue.
Always depicted as blue.
That swap didn't happen until 2000.
And that is not taught in schools.
And it should be taught in schools.
And we should demand it.
When Trump takes back over, he should come out and be like, I think we need to have blue back on the map.
I'm not going to. We're going to make this an executive order.
It would be an amazing marketing. Everyone would rebuy the blue MAGA hat.
Yeah, it should be. We're going to do a blue MAGA hat, and this next election, J.D., God bless J.D., he's going to be an incredible president, or whoever Trump endorses.
He's only going to be depicted as blue from now on.
Otherwise, we're going to cut funding for PBS. We should do that anyway.
PBS should come out, hey, just so you know, this next election, Republicans are going to be depicted as blue, and then everyone's going to have to follow suit.
It's so easy, right?
That's the pathway. Man, I'm looking now, like, through the history, and they're like, yeah, they actually do overtly say this, where they were just like, yeah, like, you know, the red state thing associated, the Democrats were not happy about being associated with, like, pinko commies.
They didn't like reds, so they wanted blue.
Such a scam, man.
Such a scam. Total scam.
Just straight up hijacking.
It definitely is a real thing.
So what else are we discussing?
A boat sank, Charlie. Did you hear about this?
We haven't even gotten to our actual first topic.
That was a fun riff.
So have you heard about this?
There was a lesbian boat captain or something?
Okay, yeah. So basically, I think the worst defeat in the entire history of the Royal Navy was, I think, there was a battle they lost in World War I where one German ship sank eight of their ships or something like that.
Anyway, when that happened, it was maybe...
3% of the total Royal Navy.
Anyway, I only bring that up for comparison because basically more than 10% of the entire New Zealand Navy just sank in peacetime.
It was their first ship lost since World War II. Let me get the name because it's this wackadoodle...
So this is not the U.S. Navy? This is not the U.S. Navy, but it's part of the American Empire because who are we kidding?
It's New Zealand. And so this was the HMNZS Mana Wanui, a hydrographic vessel commissioned in 2019, and it sank off the coast of Samoa four days ago.
Because it ran aground somehow, had a gash ripped in it, and the whole thing sank.
And that is noteworthy, because the captain of this nautical vessel was the first woman and first lesbian commander of a ship in the New Zealand Navy.
And... You know, people are drawing hateful conclusions based on that, Charlie.
So, why would they draw hateful conclusions?
You're not allowed to mention that she's...
Was she chosen as like a DEI deal?
Well, you know, officially no, but unofficially, who are we kidding?
We're not supposed to talk about it now, but I think we can all agree, you know, before she unfortunately managed to do the one thing you're not supposed to do with your boat, which is sink it by running into things.
It was kind of highlighted.
Oh, look at the diversity we have in our Navy.
We have this extremely diverse person doing this not traditionally diverse job.
So, you know, we're all very happy about this.
But this is an incredible thing I wanted to highlight, which right after this happened, a fellow on X named John Conrad, who is the CEO of Maritime News, he had an extremely...
Funny take on this.
He says, Driving a ship to not sink.
She said losses are to be expected, and they are okay, especially if there's no loss of life.
She said we shouldn't try to investigate this from a male perspective, but learn lessons from a female perspective.
So this is all a learning experience, Charlie.
Women are learning how to drive boats without sinking them, and we need to be understanding.
This boat cost $100 million, by the way.
And we've got to be very understanding and empathetic about this, you know, as we worry about China expanding aggressively.
The real tragedy, Charlie, would be if we allowed this sunk boat to sink our commitment to diversity.
We can't allow that to happen.
It would put an anchor On the DEI agenda.
It would. It would. It'd be heartbreaking.
We need to sail.
The high seas of equity can be turbulent, but they must be sailed.
I think these programs have gone completely overboard.
Jack was in the Navy. Completely overboard with these programs.
I think we should hoist these programs by the yardarm, and we definitely want to keelhaul over in It does remind me, though, of...
Funny enough, it's not really a DEI story, but Blake, you're familiar with the work of L. Ron Hubbard, right?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dianetics.
Yeah, Dianetics and Scientology.
He spent a lot of time on a boat.
No, he did. Yeah, it was called the Church of Scientology has a boat right now.
Oh, yeah, that's where you get the top-level Scientology revelations.
It's the Sea Organization, the Sea Org.
O-T-8 or something they call it, yeah.
But did you know that L. Ron Hubbard, prior to all of this, in World War II served as a Navy officer?
And when he was in the Navy officer, he worked on a patrol boat out of San Diego.
And one of his jobs on the patrol boat was to escort aircraft carriers in and out of harbor.
Again, during World War II, so there was this real risk that Japanese submarines might come in and attack the aircraft carriers as they were going in and out of port.
This was a time when they were extremely vulnerable.
Obviously Pearl Harbor had happened, so there was a lot of tension around the harbors.
And so at one point he escorts this, I don't see what ship it was here, he escorts this aircraft carrier out and then he's bringing it back in and he orders his men to, he's very young here, it was before Dianetics and everything, and he orders the men to sail towards these islands that are just south of Coronado.
And when he does this, he then decides to hold an unsanctioned gunnery exercise while he's there and says, open fire on those islands and let's just get some gunnery exercise while we're in, unscheduled, etc., etc.
Well, it turns out that he had actually sailed south of the border and into the territorial waters of Mexico.
And that those were part of the Coronado Island chain that actually fell under Mexican sovereignty.
And so, long story short, L. Ron Hubbard was relieved of command for accidentally declaring war on Mexico.
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Now, wait a minute, Charlie.
On this topic, someone did have a good commentary here, and this is like a DEI-related comment.
The comment on the thread was, It's always the left celebrating people's sexuality and where they come from, from a minority status or whatever else, until they screw up and then they don't recognize them anymore.
That's true. Look at this wonderful captain of this ship that's the first lesbian ever to captain a ship.
And then she sinks the ship and then she's not a lesbian anymore.
They don't cover that part.
And it's the same thing that happens whenever people commit crime that are out on the streets.
They want to celebrate people for their...
For their gender, for their ethnicity, for all that.
But as soon as they commit a crime, they're like, oh, I think this is a man with a dark complexion.
He's no longer Hispanic or black or whatever, whenever somebody commits a crime.
Same thing. So you can't have it both ways.
And that's actually what's destructive in society.
Michigan. Tyler, do you want to talk about what's going on in Michigan?
All of a sudden, I mean, over the summer, we thought Michigan was kind of dead.
And all of a sudden, Michigan has roared back to life as a legitimate, not a BS like one-off poll, a legitimate battleground state.
And this has kind of been a slow crawl, Trump down four, Trump down three.
All of a sudden, poll after poll shows Trump up in Michigan.
Tyler, what is going on here?
I have a theory, and then I want to hear your theory.
Well, I mean, look, we saw in 2016 the surprise win in Michigan happened because the left invested so little into the state of Michigan that they thought it was just like a done deal that Hillary was going to win Michigan.
There's a couple of things to think about we can get into potentially down the road here, but Michigan is just right over the border from Ohio.
You have a lot of the same things, right?
Blue-collar workers, the unions.
Mm-hmm. Are clearly coming out in support of Donald Trump.
So the polling that's taking place within the SEIU, for example, which is huge in Michigan, is coming out and saying, we've got a big Trump base here that is unexpected, that we've never seen before.
That spells doom for the left because there's a lot of secret voters, a lot of people who don't want to come out and talk about it because union bosses in the state of Michigan are going to hammer you for coming out and supporting Republicans, but that doesn't mean they're not going to vote for Republicans.
So that's part of what you're seeing in Michigan.
They have a huge problem that we've discussed at length in the inner cities.
In Detroit, I personally saw it walking along the streets.
There are a lot of black men who are in Michigan who are voting for Trump.
That's a huge thing. The Hispanic numbers for Trump are up like an extra 15% across the country.
So all those things kind of pull into one thing, which is that's doom for the left.
And then not to mention, you have a huge Muslim population that exists in Michigan who are really ticked off at Kamala.
They don't trust Kamala.
And if they're looking at this and they're going, hey, if I don't trust Kamala, why would I vote for somebody who's economically going to destroy my business?
Yeah.
And so that's well said.
There's a lot of people who are going to vote for Kamala.
The black men are defecting, and they're trying to do some rap concert or something to rally them.
The Arab-Muslim thing, which I want to talk about, Blake, the Israel thing is really screwing them.
It's not getting nearly as much public attention.
Let's zero in on this. In all the states where the Israel thing is really hurting them, Michigan is number one.
Number one. And the stuff that's just quietly going on, a very funny one, I only learned about this the other day.
day. Did you know that the student government at the University of Michigan is like a bunch of anti-Israel zealots? And they got elected on a platform of like, shut it down till we shut Israel down. And they started defunding all of the student programs. And so there's a hilarious article in either Tablet or Forward, one of the Jewish magazines, that's saying like, you know, they're pointing out that kind of no one cared about this like extremely zealous anti-Israel group. And so they started like they
defunded the ultimate Frisbee team.
They started just yanking funding from all these things like they shut down like a shuttle service to the airport or something like that. Because they're like, we're shutting it down until until like a Michigan divest from Israel.
And so this is the University of Michigan.
So what stands out there is, of course, this is not just a bunch of...
It's not a bunch of Muslim activists.
It kind of is a crossover of you have Arab Americans and Muslims who are very passionate about this, but also just sort of your young college, really ideologically activated.
White liberals. Yeah, white liberals. So the people who go to Ann Arbor.
And so these people who would normally be doing tons of get out the vote, these are the people who would have been, you know, harvesting every ballot for Obama.
They're the ones who were, you know, pretty active for, well, I should say they actually helped Hillary lose because they were mad about the Bernie Sanders thing.
Now these people are, this type of person, is very angry about the war in Lebanon, the fact, you know, they're still mad about Gaza.
This stuff is really activating them.
And the American wider media has sort of I don't want to say moved on because they are still covering it, but they aren't as attuned to this.
But for this subset of the liberal coalition, it's a huge deal.
You can see this going on recently.
Have you heard about what's going on with Ta-Nehisi Coates?
No, but I've seen his name pop up in a lot of group chats.
Again, I'm a little busy trying to track early ballots.
Of course, of course. So I'll just set this up.
He kind of just did the 10-7 thing that they're all doing, basically.
So he did, but he was one of the first to do it as well, because he signed an open letter right after the Gaza attack that people didn't like the word enough.
But what was going on with Coates is he has a new book out now, which is I think his first book since Between the World and Me, which is a terrible book, but I'll leave that aside.
So Coates has a new book out, and one of the essays in it is basically critical of Israel.
It says Israel-Palestine is apartheid, or whatever.
And what's very funny about this is suddenly some of the left, because there are people on the left who are very pro-Israel, and a lot of the people who used to push Coates really aggressively got very amped up about this and attacked him.
And this is blowing up CBS News right now, because I need to get the clip number...
So this is 135. He's on CBS News, and they're interviewing him about his book.
And just imagine the guy who everyone was saying was like the greatest black intellectual in America getting treated like this in 2014-2015.
Let's play 135. And I have to say, when I read the book...
I imagine if I took your name out of it, took away the awards and the acclaim, took the cover off the book, the publishing house goes away, the content of that section would not be out of place in the backpack of an extremist.
And so then I found myself wondering, Why does Ta-Nehisi Coates, who I've known for a long time, read his work for a long time, very talented, smart guy, leave out so much?
Why leave out that Israel is surrounded by countries that want to eliminate it?
Why leave out that Israel deals with terror groups that want to eliminate it?
Why not detail anything of the first and the second intifada, the cafe bombings, the bus bombings, the little kids blown to bits?
And is it because you just don't believe that Israel, in any condition, has a right to exist?
Well, I would say the perspective that you just outlined, there is no shortage of that perspective in American media.
That's the first thing I would say.
So this blew up CBS News.
They are disintegrating right now.
They had to have a meeting. They apparently have a race department inside CBS News.
Why? Because you can't take tough questions.
It's a race unit, actually. It's like a special investigative unit just focuses on race.
No, no, but is it that they were too hard on him or not?
That they were too hard on him. That they were too hard on him.
Coates himself actually handles it fine, I think.
I don't like Coates, but he's kind of a genial guy, so he actually responded to it well.
But a lot of people were like, this was a racist attack on him.
And of course, they say CBS is shilling for Israel too hard.
So this is roiling CBS News in a huge way.
And so if you look at kind of the corners of X that we're not normally seen, that's what's going viral here. People got super angry that they got so aggressive on him.
And so I think if you're seeing this shift, this is to get it back to Michigan.
This issue is still very much alive. If you are a person who's active and involved on left-wing politics, they are paying attention to this a ton, even if maybe our show isn't talking about as much or Fox News or even other mainstream news outlets if they're not focused talking about as much or Fox News or even other mainstream news outlets if they're not focused on as much. It's still a top one, top two issue for these left-wing groups that Kamala is probably going to need to get over the hump in Michigan. And I think people often
overstate the percentage of these states that is Muslim or Arab, but it's still a real amount.
I think in Michigan it's four or five percent. And if you imagine that's maybe normally a 70 percent Democrat demographic and if that only becomes 50 percent, 45 percent, if a lot of them stay home. We've often discussed how in any of these swing states about 45 percent of the vote is just locked in for each side.
So a little like 1% dip in your turnout is catastrophic.
I have a projection to make here, I guess, an estimation.
I bet Kamala is going to lose more of the Muslim vote in Michigan than Trump will lose of the Mormon vote in Arizona and Nevada.
Is Trump doing bad with Mormons?
No, I mean, this is the whole narrative that they're trying to push from the Kamala campaign in Arizona and Nevada, is that, like, oh, oh, oh, all this stuff.
But the real story that's happening to this point is that there is a significant bleed-out in the Muslim vote.
I would argue even the Jewish vote, but we'll see.
It's just not... The polls say it's not happening so far.
And the same thing with Mormons, right?
So, like... That could be part of the narrative that comes out of this election is, you know, Trump wins, as we expect in the Sun Belt, Trump wins Arizona and Nevada, right?
And we look at the numbers and Trump potentially picks off Michigan.
Well, a big part of the narrative and story needs to be and should be is that, hey, you know, we need to spend more time, number one, with the unions.
And this is a big conversation for the next four years is we need to talk about Vladimir Lenin hated the unions for one reason, one reason alone, because communism and union spirit don't jive together.
And so we have to talk about that and how they all work together.
And we need to embrace that in the right way with the Republican Party.
But then this whole issue on the Muslim communities, which is that it turns out when you come to America and you're looking for the American dream and you want to run a business that's more important than You know, just like kowtowing to these stupid little idiosyncrasies that the Democrats have within minority communities.
And if we break through that in the next year, it's game over.
And that's not just with the Muslim community.
Like we mentioned, that's with the Jewish community.
That's with anyone else.
It's like, hey, life is better in America when the government leaves me alone.
We don't talk about our race, our ethnicity, even our religion first with the minority communities.
We talk about what makes America great, leaving me alone so I can just live my life, and we move forward.
And I don't want to get into all that because that's not what thought crime is about.
This is a real issue.
I think all this talk that the left focuses on, all these little tiny minority communities, including the LDS community that's here, the Muslim community, we have to take what's there on the table and make a real effort in the first year of the Trump administration.
Jack, do you have a thought on that?
Well, no, just from the union perspective that I know that, you know, looking at Pennsylvania and I know we started talking about Michigan, but Josh Shapiro up there is not whipping the union votes the way that you would normally see in a presidential year.
You're not seeing the big union bosses come out for Kamala Harris.
You're just not seeing that level of support at the institutional level.
And then at the, you know, the factory level or whatever you want to call it, the construction site level, You're not.
Again, those guys are all Trump supporters to begin with.
So the fact that you're not seeing this big union support, the firefighters union just come out to say that they're not going to be endorsing this year.
This is a jump ball. There's a real jump ball here.
There's a lot of inroads.
And look, it's what Tyler's talking about.
I think all of us have been talking about it for a long time, that we're living through a restructuring.
And it used to be that the Republicans were the party of, quote unquote, the rich.
And the Democrats for the party, the working men, the working family, well, guess what?
That seems like that's switching now.
So are the Republicans as a party, and will the administration, the Trump administration, which Deo Valente will come into power in a couple of weeks here, that are they really going to make strides towards that?
And I think J.D. Vance, of course, being that generational pick, a transformational pick, to be able to do so is uniquely positioned to make that outreach.
So the other thing that they're saying that's playing a role in Michigan is Michigan has a ton of working class men that are low propensity, that because of Michigan's looser voter registration rules, I think you can register up to the day voting, right, Tyler? Yes, you can. That there's a lot of working class men that are getting into the roles that are throwing off Democrat projections.
There is a ton. I mean, in Michigan, more than any other place, there is what you could call technical school culture.
Where you don't go to four-year college and you just kind of, because of the auto manufacturing, understand it's not just that you work for Ford or GM, it's all the auxiliary industries.
Contractors. Tons, right?
People that just specialize in making tires, that just specialize in making lube parts, like very specialized stuff.
And there's hundreds of thousands of men and women, but mostly men, that work in these industries.
And they're saying that the male problem could tip Michigan.
And then you got Gretchen Whitmer, Doing the Doritos Eucharist?
What was that? By the way, can we get that?
This is Michigan, by the way.
It's tied into Michigan. It's interesting if that's correct, because it would be backfiring.
When I've said, I've argued Michigan is probably the toughest get, and one of the biggest factors is they have probably the most militant left-wing government of any of the swing states.
You have Whitmer, you have their Secretary of State, who I, is that Noslin or something?
No, Dana Nessel is the Attorney General.
Yes. And then you have Jocelyn Berger or something.
Both of those people, very radical.
Dana Nessel is a very evil person.
She's very evil. She's a maximum lawfare.
It's Jocelyn Benson.
It's like the Troika of girl bosses in Michigan.
I'm praising them.
They're highly effective political operatives.
They care about maximizing the left's odds of getting wins.
And... For Democrats for decades, that was make it as easy as possible to register, make it as easy as possible to get those low-propensity voters in.
If we're correct that low-propensity is a conservative-leaning group this election, it would definitely be funny and interesting if we were to win Michigan and maybe not Wisconsin specifically because of that.
And I'm checking polymarket odds right now.
They still say Pennsylvania is the most likely of the three kind of blue-wall states we're looking at.
But Michigan is surging. But it's right up there.
So it's 56%.
Their laws are so bad.
Here's my prediction. Again, Kamala has no lack of money because she's getting, you know, probably, allegedly, Iranian laundered money through ActBlue, which there's no way that ActBlue is legitimate.
There's no way. I'm sorry. There's no way.
Part of it is, part of it is. There is no way.
Allegedly. Allegedly.
Allegedly, ActBlue. So the...
It's not like she has to pick and choose.
And so the...
I think, Blake, you're hitting something really smart, which is that kind of like the reign of terror of, like, middle-aged women of Michigan.
The reign of terror of the middle-aged women of Michigan.
Like, the men are, like, enough.
Right? We have a girl boss of Secretary of State, a girl boss of Attorney General, a girl boss.
Enough of the wine mom...
Tyranny. We need?
We will resist.
Okay, I'm checking. The men of Michigan, and let me just say one thing, I will say it out loud.
Muslim men and women have a very hard time voting for a female for office.
They don't believe women should be involved in politics.
Now, I don't share that view, but that is an Islamic view.
You know how many Muslim women come up to me on campus asking for selfies?
And I ask, like, oh, what's up?
They say, Oh, we love Trump, blah, blah, blah.
Kamala's the worst. And I was like, oh, why?
Like, oh, women shouldn't be in politics.
I'm like, oh, okay. Well, you know, that's your view.
I guess you import the third world.
You get the third world. That might really come back to bottom.
That part of the third world is going to hurt the girl boss.
Brigade. I'm checking now.
Michigan football, they lost to Washington.
Detroit Lions are looking spotty.
We might need them to lose a game here or there.
All my sports correlated to politics stuff blew up when I thought that Herschel Walker was going to win because Georgia had a good year.
Yeah, that's true. My whole theory was stupid.
I feel like we need the Michigan men to be a little more down-spirited, but...
Or maybe they've got to win. As long as Oregon beats Michigan on the 2nd of November, of which I may or may not go to.
You know what? Tyler wants me in Happy Valley that day of the Penn State-Ohio State game.
That's way more important. I'm going to be at that.
Well, if Michigan's in contention, though, it's not.
But I guess, which is going to matter more?
Because we were talking about how optimism is more important for the right.
So do we, for our turnout to be up, do we need their teams to be winning?
So they, like, win at sports, win at election?
Or do we need them to be, like, America's finished.
Penn State is not even going to win the Big Ten.
If Penn State beats Ohio State, I guarantee you we'll win that state.
Not guarantee you. I'm like, that plate, right?
They have not beat Ohio State. But would we lose the You know what's really interesting?
Let me ask. When was the last time Penn State football beat OSU? I think it's been like eight years.
Last time was October 22nd, 2016, when Trump won the White House, baby.
I remember that. That was eight years ago.
They won in a dramatic upset, 24-21 in Beaver Stadium.
They have not beat Ohio State in eight years.
Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that was like their first big win coming out of the whole scandal, remember?
Because that's when they started turning things around after the whole Sandusky stuff.
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We can talk about Lieutenant Dan, we can talk about how couples meet, or we can talk about the tranny Star Wars Stormtrooper.
You kind of have to do Lieutenant Dan.
Alrighty, okay, we gotta hit Lieutenant Dan.
You can do it quickly. You can do all of them.
I think you should do all of them. Just really quick.
Just fire through all of them. Lieutenant Dan, homeless guy that's actually a really bad guy with a criminal history, you know, stayed in his boat throughout Hurricane Milton and lived.
That's great. Do we need to say anything more about him?
Is this kind of amazing?
Hero or villain? Because I turned to Mikey and I was like, this guy's dead.
And he lived. Because he literally stayed in his boat throughout the entire hurricane.
And his logic was like, well, if the sea levels increase...
And he stayed the entire...
It's hilarious. It's like storm surge will just...
Yes, he said if the storm surge goes up, his boat will just go up.
A rising tide lifts all boats.
And so do we have the cut of...
And by the way, he also walks around with like...
What the heck is it called?
He looks like Lieutenant Dan.
He has the... Crutches.
Crutches, yes. Thank you.
And do we have tape of Lieutenant Dan?
This guy's right out of Central Casting.
Turns out he's like a really bad guy, though, and he has like a criminal, and he tried to set his wife on fire or something.
Well, this is like an important part. He also, apparently he battered an officer with a violin.
Should not have survived. Points for creativity.
Playcut 133. How's the ride?
The water's gone. It's going out into the water.
It's going out and being pulled out.
Yeah. So I guess that's it.
He made it. He survived.
That's it. Good for him, I suppose.
You know, a real thought crime would be Forrest Gump's not a very good movie.
You don't like Forrest Gump? Okay, I get why people like it, but especially 30 years on, I think we have to recognize a lot of Forrest Gump is the most obnoxious elements of boomer self-worship.
Yeah, you can say that it's not a good message, but it is a good movie.
Wait, wait, wait. Time out.
Time out. Forrest Gump is the equivalent of We Didn't Start the Fire, okay?
You don't have to like Billy Joel.
You don't have to like his voice, but you can appreciate the historical context that's built around the movie.
Ignore the whole story. But it's just like the entire movie is just like mentally...
A mentally challenged boomer lives through important things and becomes rich inexplicably and also makes the civil rights movement succeed.
That's why every boomer connects with people.
I know, exactly. It's so outrageous.
And it's like propaganda.
Every boomer is like, I did that.
I passed the civil rights act.
I ran across the country.
I got super rich and I won.
Yeah, exactly. And you know in the novel he like goes into outer space and he becomes like a senator and stuff.
It is based on a novel.
It is definitely the worst novel to have ever been turned into a like well-received motion picture.
Is that right? The movie made it more realistic, which is crazy.
Like the movie made the book more realistic to Jack's point.
When you first see it, I will say though, as a young kid when I first saw it, it teaches you about the 60s and 70s though.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like, we didn't start the fire.
It's like, you get through, it makes history a little bit more fun, which I appreciate.
I can get on board with that.
Yeah, and then also, it's just...
Yeah, I mean, there's...
And it's pretty accurate, like, the whole, like...
Black Panther scene?
Yeah, every single piece that they had on there, like, there's, like, actually really, like...
Oh, yeah, I ruined your Black Panther party.
There's like fun parts, like a fun spin on like really like heavy parts of like American history in like the middle of the 20th century.
Yeah. What about the fact that Jenny is the villain of Forrest Gump?
Yeah. Wait, what did Jenny do?
That was really bad. I mean, she was like dumb.
She constantly cheated on Forrest and was like so bad.
Well, they were like an item. She just didn't get with Forrest, really.
No, she abused a...
She totally used him.
She manipulated him.
And she only came back to him when she had a chronically life-debilitating disease.
Like, here, take care of your son.
Now you get to meet your son because I'm dying.
Yeah, okay. It's so bad.
It's like, I don't want anything to do with you.
Oh, by the way, yeah, you're super rich and you saved the civilization.
And you got a medal of honor.
But the point is, too, with him, he overcame that toxic feminism.
Who is it? Nicole Kidman?
Who is the Jenny actress?
Ah, not Nicole Kidman. I can't remember, though.
No, it's Robin Wright.
Oh, it is Robin Wright.
Was it really? Yeah. No.
Yeah, it's Robin Wright. Yeah.
And she was in Princess Bride.
Yeah, Princess Bride, House of Cards.
Really? She's one of those people that has sown her way through, like, a lot of...
So she aged herself into a feminist.
She aged from cute love interests to sinking New Zealand ships.
I know, no, I mean, exactly.
Exactly. She might play the captain in the movie they make out of it.
Into Wine Mom Femme Boss.
It's crazy. She's Princess Bride, too.
That's right. She's Princess Bride.
I got my event I gotta run to here.
So we're not allowed to talk about... What are we allowed to talk about?
Sports? We could talk about...
What was the last thing that we...
We haven't talked about how couples meet yet.
If we want to do that, we could also...
Yeah, this was actually really interesting.
I think about this all the time, this kind of stuff that culturally how America has shifted.
I don't know if we can throw up that quick timeline graphic in the background here.
I think it's like, yeah, could we play it like silently?
Because we could watch it then. While we talk over it.
It's 128 as B-roll, yeah.
So if you watch it, Charlie, here, it's how couples meet starting in 1930 coming up to the present.
And if you look, it's hard to read here, but at the top it's friends and family.
It's like over 25% for friends.
I saw it earlier, yeah.
And obviously no one online in ye olde 60s and 70s.
And I think this ends up with over 50% of people meeting on the internet.
So it shifted. So the synopsis is that the top four ways I think it started were family.
Family was the number one predominant one.
Friends. And then it was school and church.
Church is pretty low always, although it collapses really hard.
It dropped way off in the 70s.
Yeah. So the 70s, so after the 60s and 70s, church dropped way off.
It's almost you can see how America's evolved based off of where we spend our time.
And friends is always going to be there because everyone has friends, whatever.
Not everyone has friends anymore, unfortunately.
Well, everyone thinks that they have friends.
Let's put it that way. What is it those polls where it's like 50% of Americans say they have no friends or whatever?
But here's what's so interesting.
The more money we've invested into college, the further college has dropped for relationships.
So a couple of different things.
College was really high up there.
Now it's not high up there.
We spend probably a thousand times more on colleges now than we did in the early 20th century.
You look at that. Church has dropped way, way down.
Bar and restaurant's kind of held.
Friends has held up there.
But then online has basically taken the place of all family, a big chunk of friends, all college, all school, all neighbors.
Basically what it's saying to me when I look at this is that people don't leave their house anymore or even start relationships, any kind of relationships, whether it's friendly relationships, at school, at college, with neighbors, all of that.
And co-workers is jumped up.
So it's like if you don't meet someone online, the only chance you have to meet them is maybe a shot with friends and then at work.
Well, I think what's actually interesting looking at this that I do wonder about is the decline in, you know, both school and co-workers is going to line up a lot with sort of the rise of, you know, like Me Too, kind of sexual harassment, like you can definitely like get in a lot more trouble for this than you used to.
And, you know, I think there's a libertarian economist, Brian Kaplan, who will talk about this and others will too.
Like, This does seem pretty harmful.
When you think of who should you be pairing off with, you'd want people you have things in common with.
You have shared interests or shared passions or just shared culture, shared nature, shared stuff in common.
And one of those things would be people that you are co-workers with.
And you know, given that we have integrated workplaces now, it's actually kind of insane that it's like so frowned upon to basically like date coworkers now.
And it used to be, if you look at into the 90s, like 15, 16% of people, of couples met while they were at work and you spend a lot of time at work.
It's kind of wacky to say that that's largely not acceptable.
And the same deal with school.
When you were in college is basically the single best time you have in your life where you are around a ton of people who are presumably not married, who are about your age, about your, you know...
But marriage is not prioritized for It's not.
It's not. And that's bad. But I'd say, one, it's not prioritized.
But two, there's a lot of things that actively discourage it as well.
I think people are very much trained to be afraid of any level of romantic forwardness or interest that's not carefully mediated.
I think a big thing that drives online is not simply that it's easy.
It's that it's the only thing...
Where you can communicate with someone and it's assumed off the bat that this is a romantic communication and people want that security blanket.
And the problem is that that is very unromantic.
It is super unromantic to have none of that ambiguity to it.
And I think it messes people up, actually.
Yeah, I mean, then how many people are meeting online then?
How do they say? Over 50% by the end.
Well, that's terrible. Yeah, yeah, it's bad.
And the apps are bad. Meeting people.
How couples meet.
It's over 60% in 2024.
It's over 60%. That's horrifying.
Now, some of those, you know, church declines, but I would say, like, you know, there are religious versions of dating apps.
There's, you know, Catholic Match, JDate, Christian, all of those.
I have a friend who met someone through, like, a Lutheran dating app, and he had to, like, drive an entire state over because he's in one of those bespoke types of Lutheranism that...
There aren't a ton of. So that does happen.
There is some element of that with online.
But a lot of all of the trends with online are bad.
The other reason it's good to be dating people that you meet in real life is it's a much more...
Organic. It's more real.
It's more organic. It's also...
You don't have...
A big problem with online is you create this problem when you're competing with essentially everyone in the world as opposed to the more rational, like you are interfacing with the handful of people you know in your town, in your workplace, in your neighborhood, that sort of thing.
Once you're online, people get decision paralysis.
This is bad with women because women can get...
You can go on an app and you can get a match from...
500, 1,000 men.
How do you ever remotely choose between all of those?
You don't. Your temptation is always to maybe go after the most desirable one, but women tend to be much like one another, and so they will like similar things, so they'll all end up competing.
There's a whole... A cascade of problems that come from everyone being online.
And it's going to destroy civilization and kill us all, Charlie.
I think you're right. All right, everybody.
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