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Bobby Kennedy, welcome back to the program.
Charlie, thanks for having me.
The last time I saw you, you were exiting a stage after endorsing President Trump here in Phoenix, and you endorsed him on the Make America Healthy Again promise and platform.
Catch me up to speed.
How have things been since then?
Well-received?
Yeah, I mean, like, enormous.
of surprising, very touching enthusiasm from the public.
You know, I was on an airplane today, and this is pretty typical, that almost everybody in the section of the plane where I was sitting got their picture taken with me, including the whole crew.
People saying thanks to me.
I'm sure there are half the people in the country who are angry at me, and I get some of that.
But I think those people are much less likely to voice their feelings than the people who are enthusiastic about it.
And then I've been on the road pretty much full time.
I'm on the road now for three weeks campaigning for President Trump.
Oh, it's all right.
You know, it's been good.
Well, I want to just commend you and say it was a thing of great courage that you did, and it was the right thing.
And it has brought millions of people to this cause.
And we see a unique moment here where there is this unity ticket that is forming, yourself, Tulsi Gabbard, Elon Musk, and it is not Republican or Democrat.
What is it?
What is the unifying thread between President Trump, yourself, Tulsi Gabbard, and traditional Republicans?
Well, I think it's clear that there's a realignment going on.
I studied American history in college, and one of the things that you study when you study American history, there's been these realignments that have happened, about four big realignments that have happened in our country during its history, and we're going through one of those now.
It's hard to tell where we'll end up, but it's funny because it's almost a direct inversion of the party features and characteristics that I grew up with.
I grew up with a Democratic Party that was people called Kennedy Democrats.
It was a party that was against the war, against war, that wanted to lead with diplomacy rather than military action.
It was a party that was very pro-civil rights, and that meant constitutional rights, and particularly freedom of speech.
The word liberalism is derived from a term meaning freedom of speech.
It was a party that was very skeptical of the subversion, very alert to the immersion, to the corporate domination.
And subversion of American democracy.
It was the party that was the party of the poor, the working poor, the middle class, Main Street, and today, and then it was the party that was on the side of the most vulnerable people.
Today, it is the party of war, extraordinarily, very, very bellicose.
I mean, even at the convention, you had Kamala Harris giving a speech that was, you know, it was just a neocon.
It was indecipherable from something George W. Bush would have said 20 years ago.
Or Dick Cheney.
Correct.
Well, because he endorsed her.
Right.
And then Dick Cheney and John Bolton and 225 neocons have endorsed her.
And the fact that she's touting that now is extraordinary because these are the people that were like Darth Vader.
You know, Dick Cheney was Darth Vader to Democrats.
It's hard to explain to a younger voter how bad it was.
It's almost worse than how Trump is treated today.
Not as bad.
But it was very bad.
Yeah, but Dick Cheney and Jonathan Yoo and Paul Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld and these other neocons who gave us the Patriot Act, who launched the surveillance state, the censorship state, put the NSA looking at all of our telephone calls, etc.
Extraordinary renditions.
For the first time in American history, we are openly torturing people.
Something that George Washington refused to do during the American Revolution and that Abraham Lincoln Who essentially, Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War, both Washington and Lincoln said, I'd rather lose this war than torture, than lower ourselves morally to torture people because then we're no different than them.
And Lincoln published a document against torture that later became the Geneva Convention.
So this was really part of American history, the idea that we were suddenly torturing people.
And then, you know, they're the ones who gave us the Iraq War, which was the worst foreign policy dabble in American history.
We left Iraq, you know, we went in there under the pretense that they had weapons of mass destruction for your younger audience.
We left Iraq worse off than we found it.
We killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein ever did.
We've left Iraq this kind of incoherence.
It's not really even a nation anymore.
It's a war.
It's a warring... But warring tribes.
Yeah, between Shia and Sunni death squads.
It's now a proxy, almost utterly, of Iraq.
I mean, of Iran, which is the foreign policy outcome we've been trying to avoid for three decades.
It had been our bulwark against Iranian expansion in the Mideast, and the October 7th invasion by Hamas of Israel is really a direct result of that war.
Because it loosened Iranian muscle in the region.
We created ISIS out of that war.
And the spillover war with Syria, which is a direct result of our creation of ISIS, we drove between 2 and 4 million refugees up into Europe, which have destabilized all the Western democracies.
The rise we're seeing now, the emergence of totalitarianism across Europe, the end of free speech is a direct result of that decision.
Brexit is a result of that decision.
And it was literally the worst possible thing that we've ever done.
Now Dick Cheney and John Bolton engineered that, and they have not changed their opinion about it.
They still think it was great.
They think it still was all a good idea.
So when they're endorsing Kamala Harris, they're not endorsing her because they've changed.
They're endorsing her because the Democratic Party has completely changed.
And then at the convention, You had a CIA director speaking at the convention.
Right before Kamala Harris, on the final night.
Right.
Prime time.
That blew my mind.
Leon Panetta.
That could have never happened in American history.
No, of course not.
And then you had a bunch of military people speaking, too.
It was really this extraordinary display of the change of the party.
The party is now the party of censorship.
Both Harris and and waltz have made these extraordinary decision declarations that What they call misinformation and disinformation is not protected by the First Amendment.
The First Amendment is conditional It's a privilege that they're gonna remove from people like Hillary Clinton has said that yeah Hillary Clinton said I think this week.
That's right Extraordinary it should be illegal to spread misinformation.
Yeah, and I to me that is Yes.
statement is a disqualifier for being president of the United States.
If you do not understand that censorship is utterly inconsistent with democracy,
and particularly the exemplary democracy, the democracy that's supposed to be the
example to the rest of the world, if you don't understand that, then you
should not be president of the United States.
It should be an absolute bar.
It should be like… Like if you were born as a non-citizen or something, right?
Exactly.
It should be like that.
It should be a disqualification.
And when you become a citizen of the United States, you have to… No, of course, that's what I'm saying.
It would be like being born in Japan, like, not on a military base.
Like, you can't be president.
You can't be president.
I totally agree.
And I want to dive into this.
Let me just finish this thought, okay?
Then we can move on.
No, it's great.
It's become the party now of Wall Street, of Big Pharma, Big Tech, Goldman Sachs, BlackRock.
Of, you know, big data, of the military industrial complex, of big pharma, big ag, big food, all of these.
But not the little guys.
The perennial villains.
Big, big, big, big, but not the little guys.
And, you know, one of the points that I think is extraordinary that I've made is that in You had roughly 50% of the people in this country voting for President Trump, and you had roughly 50% voting for President Biden.
But the 50% voting for President Trump owned only 30% of the wealth of this country.
The 50 percent who are voting for Biden own 70 percent.
So it actually you've had this complete inversion where when I was growing up, the rich, you know, the Rockefeller Republicans.
Right.
And today, you know, the Republican Party is the party of war, is the party that firefighter.
of the cop, you had Sean O'Brien, the Teamster president, speaking, keynoting at the Republican
Convention.
And getting a warm welcome from the audience.
Yeah.
And then I witnessed J.D. Vance at not only on a little speaking tour that I did with
him but also we both spoke at the International Firefighters Convention in Boston.
And he was talking about the importance of collective bargaining.
So it's so crazy.
And so I want to try to drill down how this happened, because my working theory is that going into 2016, Hillary Clinton is truly an oligarch, and she does represent the needs, wants, and interests of the ruling class.
The way the 2016 election was supposed to go was oligarch on oligarch.
It was supposed to be Jeb Bush versus Hillary Clinton, and they could disagree on tax rates.
But they agree on every other issue.
They agree on foreign policy, censorship, war, you name it.
But they'll disagree on tax rates.
Or some other wonky stuff.
And they'll disagree on health care, but not in any meaningful way.
It's just who pays for it.
Yeah, and they'll both pander to the AstraZeneca, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, and Pfizer.
So then Donald Trump comes, and he basically kicked the rich out of the Republican Party.
Yeah, that's a really good way to put it.
Yeah.
Whereas if you read Robert Reich, I read him a lot.
He's not dumb.
No, he's very smart, but utterly zero intellectual integrity.
He's all tribalism.
He's such a disappointment to me.
He was an advisor to my uncle.
He was a hero to me for most of his life because of the criticism that he gave.
There's a lot of good things he's done.
Right, of the 1%.
But he is absolutely devoid of any kind of intellectual integrity now.
It's all tribalism and partisanship and, you know, it's really reprehensible.
And it goes back down to this, which is they will tell you, if you had Robert Reich privately in a room and he's given truth serum, he said, I totally agree, Bobby, but Trump is a bigger threat.
Well, that's the whole thing is the whole party is really the party of Donald Trump.
It's like a... The Democrat Party, you mean?
The Democratic Party.
That's so insightful.
Because it's like a kid who hates their parent and becomes their parent, you know, because their whole focus is on not becoming their parent and in demonizing them.
Why do you not pay your taxes?
Because my parents insulted me when I was 15 years old.
It's their whole life.
And that's what, you know, the Democratic Party has become.
I remember, you know, this revelation that I had with the Democratic Party.
Donald Trump came out against NAFTA, and the Democratic Party suddenly was pro-NAFTA.
And I was like, how did that happen?
Are they really just doing it because he's against it?
And then, you know, I was down at the wall here in Yuma, and I saw that, you know, that next, there's 27 gaps in the wall where all of the immigrants come through.
Those gaps, each one of them have a pile of material next to them that was purchased by the United States government under Trump.
And then the construction was halted the day that President Biden came into office, and the fences were actually removed in some cases.
The long-distance cameras were removed, the censoring equipment was removed that could have stopped or stemmed this, you know, this invasion that looks... You go down, I was down there, it looks like the beginning of the Boston Marathon at that gate every time.
It does, I know.
And the border patrol, Chris Clem, who is the chief of the border patrol, told us the story because he said, I've been begging Mayorkas to come down here from day one.
Begging them to show what is happening because nobody can look at this and say this is a good idea
at the Sinaloa drug cartels have buses
Lined up these big shiny new buses with 55 people on each coming in. I've seen it
And that's not an exaggeration people getting off and coming across
This is not a good idea to have the Sinaloa drug cartel in charge of America
It's also bad for the girls that are being trafficked.
It's awful.
Oh, and then, yeah, there's a rape tree there where they, you know... And I've seen the rape tree.
You've seen it.
It takes your breath away.
Yeah, and so, and Chris Clemson said, so I got Mayorkas down here, finally.
And he agreed, as any human being would, this is a bad idea.
So he said, we're going to complete the fence.
Oh, we're not going to use Donald Trump's material.
We're going to use a different material that's a different color.
So the U.S.
government went and bought new material.
I didn't know any of this.
So there's parts of the fence where it's kind of a silverish color, whereas the Trump fence is that red, rusty color.
And it looks like a bridge or something, an old industrial bridge.
But the Biden fence is just like a chain-link fence that is a silverish color, and it doesn't even go into the ground, which of course is where they're coming under.
The really bad people are doing this.
And it was so clearly political pettiness rather than what's good for our country, right?
It's we've got to do whatever Trump didn't do.
We need to do whatever Trump says has got to be wrong.
And, you know, we've reversed.
Listen, I worked.
My father, one of his close political associates was Cesar Chavez.
My father was killed in 68.
Cesar Chavez was the first person he told that he was going to run for president.
Chavez helped him win the state of California in the 1980 campaign.
I worked for my uncle, Ted Kennedy, who was running for president then, and I worked here in Arizona.
We won the state of Arizona.
In the primary?
Against Carter.
Because Cesar Chavez sent lowriders, these lowrider clubs, which are mainly Hispanic, Down to Arizona to get out the vote.
Thousands of people, riders, who went to all the elderly homes and brought people to the polls.
And we won the state because of that.
So Chavez was always close to my family.
I worked with him very closely the last decade of his life, from about 1983 until 1993 when he died.
And I was one of the pallbearers in his funeral.
The two issues that he was focused on, one was pesticides, okay?
Because Hispanic farm workers are the biggest, you know, there's 12,000 farm workers who are poisoned
every year and their families are all.
Oh, it's terrible.
But the other issue was immigration.
He wanted to end the illegal immigration.
This was a democratic issue.
I say this and people don't believe me.
Yeah.
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What was Cesar Chavez's argument?
Why did he want to restrict immigration?
Because it was all of the illegal immigrants who would work for pennies because they were desperate and hungry and could not get a legal job.
And the growers were, you know, were predatory and were employing them and that was destroying his capacity to negotiate for wages and conditions of the workers who were American-born workers.
And it wasn't, and you know, I saw Tucker the other day defending himself because somebody said he was racist because he was saying, you know, there were people coming into our country who were, you know, from foreign countries and he said, He said, I'm not objecting to them because they're Hispanic.
I want to protect Hispanic workers who were born here.
Those are Americans.
We want to protect U.S.
passport holders.
That's the social contract, right?
Yeah.
And so this, to your great credit though, You could have, but you chose not to, done the Trump hating thing.
You could have stayed within the circles of the Democrat Party.
You could have been at the DNC.
You could have been around your family.
But you made a decision, and it didn't start with the endorsement of Trump.
It started, and I want to get to that, this journey that you've been on, which is amazing, by the way.
I just love your story about cleaning up the Hudson River, if I remember correctly, right?
Um, to environmental issues, to how we're getting poisoned, to a love of environment, which, by the way, I share your love of environment, which is, I can't say an environmentalist that say, C, don't touch, drives me crazy.
Right?
And that's a whole topic for a different time, but I think that's really important.
It's actually made there for us.
My kind of ideology or my journey was I started my environmental career working for commercial fishermen on the Hudson River.
That's a great story.
And recreational fishermen.
So these were people, they were capitalists.
Small business owners, but they were getting their hands dirty and they were, you know, up to their, they were wearing waders and they're up to their hips in the water and they were harvesting a resource with the fish.
They were making sure that they were sustainably harvest.
They were regulating it themselves.
And so I've never been a look, but don't touch environmentalists.
And I got, you know, I got at odds with the environmental movement because I represent 20% of my time is representing indigenous people.
Who were saying, we actually want to exploit a resource of our land.
We want to do it sustainably.
We live here and nobody should tell us that we should move to make it a national park.
We're here.
And that's, you know, in Latin America and Canada and even in the United States.
So I've always been, you know, the important, we're part of the environment.
We are part of the ecosystem and, you know, and that, and we just have to learn to live in it sustainably.
I just want to thank you for that.
It really clarified for me.
I said, I'm against that, if you will, because I think that the environment needs to be protected, but it's there for our benefit and for our enjoyment and our flourishing and obviously for future generations.
So you decide to run as a Democrat, as a primary, and Biden treats you terribly.
And I want to get into some of the recent news since I've seen you last because the party democracy has made a quite a u-turn recently from saying that we want Bobby Kennedy off the ballot but now we want him on the ballot.
It all depends on what state and what jurisdiction.
But what is it about you that wanted to pursue truth above comfort?
I'm always interested in this because you have not chosen an easy life.
You've not decided to do what's easy in the Democrat Party.
Why is that?
Well, I think... I mean, for me, I feel like I need to do what is the... I live my life, and I need to do the next right thing.
I need to do what the correct thing is, no matter what kind of the costs are.
And, you know, I've shared this story in other places, but about two weeks before he died, my father gave me a book.
How old were you?
I was 14.
So, he gave me a book by Camus called The Plague.
Cameron's dangerous stuff sometimes.
And he told me, you know, with this particular intensity, I want you to read this.
And he gave me, he gave me reading material all the time.
He gave me poems or articles or books and said, would say, you know, to all of us, to all of his 10 kids that, you know, my 11th was born after he died, my little sister Rory.
But, but so then he dies two weeks later.
I'm with him when he dies in Los Angeles.
And so I spent a lot of time in that part of my life trying to figure out what I was supposed to do with my life and what his intention was in handing me this book.
So I read it a number of times.
About a doctor who's living in a quarantined city at their early part of the 20th century, and there is a plague that is ravaging the city.
And the name of the plague and the name of the city are never named, but it's a new illness that nobody has any experience with.
And it has a very, very high infection fatality rate.
So everybody is catching it, is dying.
And the first part of the book takes place in the head of the main character, who's a doctor.
He's locked in his apartment and he's deciding whether he should go out and minister to the sick.
And he's saying to himself, I'm not going to be able to do any good anyway because nobody knows how to treat this disease.
I have no idea what I'm dealing with and if I go out there, I'm almost certain to get sick and die.
He's having this conversation.
Ultimately, he goes out, and he does his duty.
And Camus was an existentialist, but he was part of this tradition.
He was kind of the legate of the traditions of Stoicism that came from the Greek and Romans.
Yes.
Right.
Marcus Aurelius, right.
And who is, you know, the great figure, the great philosopher of Stoicism.
And Epictetus is the other, yes.
I love the Stoics.
We could do a whole show on Stoics.
I didn't mean to interrupt, but yeah.
Yeah, so he wrote another book, Camus, about the iconic hero of Zoacism, which was Sisyphus.
And Sisyphus is a human who does some favor to humanity, but it offends the gods, and he's punished, cursed for eternity.
To roll a boulder up a hill, and he's supposed to get it over the other side of the hill, but he gets to the summit every day.
He rolls it all day long, and he gets to the top of the summit, and it always rolls back on him, and it kind of mangles him, and then he has to walk all the way down the hill and start it all night, and then the morning he starts pushing again.
And in the eyes of most people, Sisyphus is, you know, at the sort of nadir of misery, you know.
It's a miserable life and meaningless, etc.
But in fact, according to Kemo and others, Sisyphus is a happy man because he puts his shoulder to the stone.
He does his duty.
He embraces the hardship of his life and he takes it on.
And in doing his little duty himself, like the doctor in the plague, He brings order to a chaotic universe and ultimately he achieves satisfaction and happiness and fulfillment in his own heart.
My father embraced Stoicism after he was a very pious Catholic during most of his early life, all of his early life, and he believed in a very orderly universe where there was good versus evil and ultimately good would triumph.
When his brother was killed, it shattered him and he had to reassess all of his cosmology and his approach to life and his philosophy.
And he read extensively from the Edith Hamilton, from the Greek myths, from the Roman myths, mythology, from the Stoics.
From Shakespeare, from the poets, from the existentialists like Emerson and Thoreau and, you know, from the ballad poets like, you know, his favorite poem is Ulysses by Alfred Lord Tennyson and Yeats and Cates, etc.
And he kind of, you know, melded a new philosophy for himself that was rooted in Stoicism but also incorporated a lot of Traditional Catholic and Christian cosmology, but that's the way he approached life is that it allowed him to get back up and try again because, you know, what Stoicism says is we have a right and a duty to our effort.
We have no right nor duty.
We have no right to an outcome.
The outcome ultimately is in God's hands, and we have to live our lives without expectations.
We have to live our lives satisfied that we're doing the duty that we were assigned to do.
And that's how we, and that ultimately kind of throws the gauntlet at the gods and gives us the capacity to bring order to an absurd universe.
And, you know, my father sort of took that on and said, okay, I'm going to do, you know, what I was put here to do and do it to my maximum effort.
And, you know, whatever the cost, that's how, you know, that's how we, That's ultimately how we bring satisfaction and fulfillment to our own lives.
And so, you know, I integrated those lessons very early on in my life and said, you know, if you're supposed to do something, it doesn't really matter what the cause are and it doesn't matter what the result is.
The matter is, if you know what you're supposed to do, if you know what there are, God gave us brains.
He said, you know, be clever as serpents, be gentle as lambs, but be clever as serpents.
We gave us brains to try to figure out, you know, the paths to that kind of spiritual fulfillment, and that we have to each figure that out for ourselves.
And when we know what our path is, we take it no matter what the cost.
Do you look at your life as Sisyphus?
Well, I look at it that, you know, all of the people that I've admired in my life have gone through a period, you know, the historical figures, whether it's St.
Francis of Assisi, or whether it's Darwin, or whether it's any of the great heroes of history, including my father and my uncle.
They all went through a period in their lives where they were doubted by their friends, where they were isolated, where they had to walk through kind of a valley of darkness, where they had what St.
St. John of the Cross had called the dark night of the soul, where they were completely
alone in the world, and that part of the emblems of a successful life is that you do things
even when the crowd tells you not to do them.
So I don't, so when people like my family turn against me or other people who I love turn against me, I don't, you know, feel, I don't feel self-pity.
I don't feel, you know, anger, resentment.
I just feel that that's part of my path and that, you know, it has, it's a gift in many ways because the more opposition that you have if you, You're doing the right thing.
The more satisfaction there should be at the end.
What do you think your father wanted you to learn from that book?
I think that lesson, I think that, you know, we do our duty and that you have a duty to figure it out, to search and search and figure out what you're supposed to do.
And then you have to do it without any kind of regret or self-doubt.
And you have to do it, you know, even if there is a tremendous cost.
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If I read the headlines correctly, you're being investigated by the Marine Fishery?
What is, I mean, is this like the FBI of like fishing agencies or something?
No, but you know, I think it is part of the weaponization.
Is this a government agency?
It's a government agency.
Federal government agency.
Yeah, federal government agency.
And my daughter gave an interview in 2012 where she told a story about According to her memory is that I had cut the head off a dead whale that we found on the beach and put it on the roof of the car and brought it home.
And I've been collecting specimens my entire life and I would do something like that.
But this was 30 years ago.
Longer than I've been alive.
Yeah, so suddenly I get this note that I'm being, you know, this letter, a very formal letter of complaint saying I'm under investigation and asking me to fill out a questionnaire.
And I actually sent them a letter back saying, you know, I'm very, very I'm impressed by the alacrity with which you address this emergency.
But what it contrasts sharply, the agency is called National Marine Fisheries.
And that agency has stood by while the Atlantic whale populations are being wiped out by wind farms, by offshore wind farms.
Because it throws off their sonar or something, right?
Well, no.
They hear in low frequency.
The large whales, like the making whale, the right whale, humpback whale, hears in large frequencies.
And they do seismic testing, and then they're bounding 2,200 turbines.
These turbines have blades longer than the Eiffel Tower.
Whoa.
Oh, they have to be sunk deep into the bedrock.
Of course.
And when they're driven down there, that noise... Drives them to the coast, right?
That noise, yeah.
They're trying to escape that noise from anywhere they can because their ears are very, very sensitive.
And they're doing this now all over.
And the companies that are building it Of course it is.
Goldman Sachs, Wells Fargo, Morgan, Citibank, it's all foreign companies.
There's billions of dollars, 30% of the money comes from tax deductions.
And the foreign companies can't collect those because they're foreign companies.
So they go for financing to BlackRock States, BlackRock and Goldman.
And they then finance the project.
They can then take the advantage.
Nobody would build one of these because the energy is so expensive.
You build onshore wind, which I'm a big proponent of.
And their eyesores on the coastline.
Well, yeah, but it's not just eyesores.
It destroys the fisheries.
In fact, Nymphs wrote a notice.
Saying it was likely to lead to the collapse of the cod fishery because it's right on the... a lot of these are the centers of cod spawning on the Atlantic coast.
And the fishermen say, you know, and I deal a lot with commercial fishermen and I'm talking to them all the time and they say the fish have completely disappeared around these wind farms.
The wind farms are a bad idea from an environmental point of view.
The energy they need in order to make a profit, they need about 33 cents a kilowatt hour.
Onshore wind needs 11 cents a kilowatt hour.
The average price for energy in this country is about 16 cents a kilowatt hour.
So this is twice what the cost of energy is.
So it's going to drive up the cost of energy.
It's going to turn every American against green energy because it's supposedly green, but it's just a boondock.
A lot of the environmental movement now has been captured by these big corporations that are using the climate emergency.
To do these big geoengineering projects, to do carbon sequestration.
They're building pipelines all across the Midwest, destroying tens of thousands of acres of the best agricultural land in the world.
And it's really just big subsidies for the oil industry, for the methane industry, and for big ag, and for these big banking houses.
And I think the environmental movement has lost its way in allowing this to happen.
Most environmentalists that I know came into the environmental movement because they wanted to
save the whales.
Well that was the whole joke right? Is save the whales.
Now we're destroying them.
I want to crush Blackrock and save the whales. What does that make me?
Exactly.
Right and so again I'm going to keep because I think I want to find out
where is Sierra Club tying themselves to these windmills?
Where is Greenpeace, who famously would be the most extravagant—I'm being nice—in their demonstrations?
They seem muted, right?
They're muted.
There are groups.
There are about 17 environmental groups that have protested these wind farms, but they're all local groups.
They're all groups that care about them.
They wrote the law, the Inflation Reduction Act, that allowed these tax breaks to take place for these huge mega-projects, which they think is going to reduce carbon.
They're not going to reduce carbon.
And kill whales in the process.
And you cannot save the environment by destroying it.
We need to protect habitat.
We need to protect species.
Stop the toxins from going in, and the environmental movement doesn't seem to care about those anymore.
Why is that?
I don't know.
I mean, I was dumbfounded.
I have a theory, but yeah.
I was dumbfounded a year ago, because I've been working on endocrine-disrupting chemicals for most of my life, you know, PCBs and HODs, and these are chemicals that disrupt sexual development in human beings.
That's why puberty is starting so early for girls.
Puberty is now starting about six years early.
Average puberty onset for girls in this country is between 10 and 13 years old.
It's the lowest age of any country in the world.
And that's not a good thing, everybody.
That is a bad thing.
It's not something to brag about, right?
No, it's six years younger than it was a generation ago.
And then you have all these fertility issues in men.
Your sperm counts are dropping by half.
You have testosterone levels in teenagers that I think are about 50% lower.
I need to check that.
It's at best, actually.
I mean, if you compare the grandfather generation, it's like 75% down.
Yeah.
So, and a lot of those are endocrine-disrupting chemicals.
I'll give you one example, atrazine.
Atrazine, which is the second most prevalent pesticide in our country.
63% of drinking water in this country is contaminated with atrazine.
And atrazine is a very, very potent endocrine disruptor.
In fact, there's an African-American, very famous scientist called Tyler Hayes at Berkeley And Tyler Hayes did an experiment where he put 70 male frogs, African water frogs, in a tank.
And the water in the tank had atrazine levels under the EPA action levels.
So these are levels that are regarded as safe in America's water supply.
And many Americans are drinking much more than this.
And showering in it and swimming in it and, you know, etc.
And of those 70 frogs, they were all males, 60 of them were rendered sterile.
And 10 of them, 10% of those frogs turned female and were able to produce fertile eggs.
Is it turning the frogs gay?
Literally.
I'm giving you a hard time.
Yeah.
But Alex Jones famously went viral for that years ago and it seems like he wasn't totally off base.
Yeah, but he wasn't off base.
I mean, it's not about turning something gay at all.
His point was that there is a pollutant that is changing frogs in a study and people lost their money.
It's changing their gender identity, let me put that.
Not psychologically, but biologically.
It's actually changing their genders from male to female, and they can produce fertile eggs.
It's standard to use animal models to test toxics on, and then if the test is positive, then you go and do mammal models and you do human models.
And that study should have prompted interest in the scientific community and NIH to see whether this may be affecting human beings as well.
But that was never done.
So what I've said is, I don't know whether it's affecting human beings that way, but shouldn't we be doing that study to figure it out?
Anyway, my point was, my bigger point was that Tucker Carl, I've been struggling for 40 years to get the conservative news media to pay attention to Andrew Krine disruptors, with no success.
And then last year, Tucker Carlson does a one-hour special on it, and if I could have written it myself, I couldn't have done better.
He did just an incredible job, and he was condemned by the entire environmental community.
And it was just like this extraordinary turnaround.
It's the same thing as Trump derangement syndrome.
If Republicans have a good idea, I'll embrace it.
If Democrats have a good idea, I'll embrace it.
country. You can't have a country like that though. Yeah.
Right and so how do we...
I mean Lincoln said a house divided cannot stand. And it's self-evident right? I mean if
Republicans have a good idea I'll embrace it. If Democrats have a good idea
I'll embrace it. I don't care right? That's how I feel. Of course. Yeah. But I mean is
it a Trump specific thing? Let's say Trump wins. Oh it's Trump and Tucker. Sure
yeah no and that's what I'm saying though is that that was gonna be my
point is that it's actually bigger than Trump. Is that because Tucker's evidence.
Of that, is that it's not Trump derangement, it's, is it like free thinking derangement syndrome?
Yeah, I think it's a partisan, I think it's a tribalism.
I think we're hardwired for, you know, the 22,000 generations we spent on the African savannah, we're hardwired to, toward tribalism.
And, you know, we were wandering in little groups and warring groups that were, that relied On tribal loyalty for their survival and on unit cohesion and everybody believing the same things and everybody, our capacity to excuse the worst behavior from our tribal peers and attribute the worst motives and behavior to anybody outside and to dehumanize them.
And I think, you know, those are the neuronal pathways that are being lit up by a lot of this stuff because I know so many people, you know, Tucker did this extraordinary interview with Callie Means and Casey Means.
Changed the world.
That changed the world.
You can't send that to a Democrat and say, just listen to this.
You know, just listen to it.
Don't pretend it's not Tucker.
Just listen to the facts.
They won't do it.
They'll say it's Tucker.
It's got to be wrong.
And part of the thing... Something is really wrong with that.
It's so wrong, and I think it's deeper than Trump because the quote-unquote left, and I hate that term, but the solid left, they are now high trust of institutions where you and I are low trust of institutions.
We think the CIA is doing a bunch of nonsense, Department of Justice, Lawfare.
Pfizer, AstraZeneca, but if you take your average Democrat now, they used to be low trust of institutions 20 years ago, but they think institutions generally get things right, that there's nothing wrong with, you know, them spraying our food, you know, take the vaccine, take your ninth booster.
So I think the divide is high trust of the current ruling regime and you and I that have a vote of no confidence against the ruling regime.
And that's a really good way to analyze it.
Another way to analyze it is that the Democrats are more about centralization and central control.
And, you know, those would be in those institutions.
And that goes hand in hand.
With a mistrust of the people, a mistrust of the demos.
They do not trust the people, and that's why they don't trust elections.
So we have now two Democratic candidates who would not stand for election.
President Biden, who had to get rid of the primaries.
They literally abolished, you know, many of the primaries.
New Hampshire and Georgia and Florida.
And then another, a second candidate, when he was displaced by a palace coup, He was then replaced by Kamala Harris, who has never won a single vote.
Who, you know, when she ran in the last, in the 2020 election, she had 8% support in her own state and had to withdraw before the primaries began.
And so she was immensely unpopular, but somehow somebody picked her and nobody really understands how it was done.
And by the way, was this a Zoom call?
Or like, what was the process, right?
I mean, can someone, can a single reporter, was it like a conference call?
Was it like a group text?
The best part of the convention was when Chris Cuomo pointed up to the upper stands of the
stadium and said, yeah, they decide.
Nobody really knows who's up in those stands, but they're the ones who are.
Yeah, and just so you haven't seen the clip, it's Chris Cuomo, who I'm actually, I have
more and more respect for as time goes on.
He was pointing up to the top levels of the United Center in Chicago saying, those boxes
go for two and a half million bucks a piece.
And we don't really know who those people are, but they're like regime media donors
and big companies and they call the shots on the rest of us.
It was a unique physical representation of the Democrat Party, right?
Exactly.
And the ancillary to that Is that a profound mistrust of the people?
So elections are now no longer trustable, and that is one of the reasons for the censorship.
They don't trust the people to make good decisions, and so the only way they can control them is by controlling the information flow, which of course never works.
And I want to just ask you, is misinformation protected by the First Amendment?
Of course it is.
I mean, lies are protected by the First Amendment, and that's absolutely critical because, you know, if you look at the progress of knowledge, of science, of philosophy, the ideas always Germinate from an idea that has been debunked, discredited, denounced by the reigning institutions.
Like bloodletting.
Germ theory.
Right.
you know, tobacco, cigarettes are good for you, x-rays should, you know, all children,
all pregnant women should be x-rayed, etc. Thalidomide, all of these, you know, you can...
Ex-rays for pregnant women, right?
Exactly. You can think of a million of examples and that you need somebody, you need these
dissenting voices. A lot of times they're wrong, but a lot of times they turn out to be right.
And after the dialectic takes place in the conflict, which is why you have debate and
you have dialogue and the ideas that are annealed in the furnace of debate rise in the marketplace
of ideas and they become policies in a democracy.
And that process is circumvented if you start censoring speech, and democracy will no longer function.
Yet they're doing it in the name of democracy, which is the most sinister part of all this.
Yeah, they're destroying democracy.
I would call it Orwellian, but it's even darker than that.
It really is.
It's like Huxleian.
It is something else.
Because here they are lecturing us about democracy.
And what?
How many times?
You're trying to sue to get yourself off a ballot, right?
Yeah, I was suing to get myself on the ballot.
And now off the ballot.
And as soon as I entered... He flipped all of their posture.
Yeah, they all then started suing me to keep me on the ballot.
And, you know, I was helping the Democrats the whole time.
Of course you were.
It's funny, we had an inside joke being like, if Bobby keeps running, he's going to, you know, prevent Trump from winning.
Yeah.
But let me ask you, just as a principled question, was there a Republican Secretary of State or a Republican legal outfit that gave you a tough time about ballot access?
No.
Not a single one?
No.
So there are more Republican Secretary of States than Democrat Secretary of States, including in battleground states.
Yeah.
And were they fair and easy to work with, generally?
Yes, they were.
And some of the states, we were just shocked how, you know, there was no opposition.
They just said, yeah, he should be on the ballot.
And I hurt Trump, and Trump never tried to keep me off the ballot.
Never.
Right.
And Trump is the guy who is tagged with trying to destroy democracy, mainly because of January 6th.
And so that's the one thing, this incident that has become so big in the minds of Democrats, that people literally hate me.
People who are my friends have said, I cannot be your friend anymore.
That's terrible.
I had dinner the other night with Oliver Stone.
I want to meet Oliver Stone.
Yeah, and it was his birthday two nights ago, so two nights ago, Cheryl and I went and had dinner, and he lives right across the street from me.
And, you know, we're old friends, and he was there with a small handful of his closest friends.
His closest friend is James Woods.
Of course.
I love James.
He's a friend.
I text with James.
He's very smart.
He's the most right-wing guy in Hollywood.
Like a math whiz.
Right.
And Oliver is the most left-wing guy.
And they love each other.
I love that.
And I said to James, I said, well, you know, I was asking him about that.
And he said, people ask me all the time, how can you be friends with that guy?
And he says, because I live in the effing United States of America.
That's what we do in our country.
And you know, that was such a beautiful thing for him to say.
How does that make you feel?
is supposed to work. We're not supposed to be hating each other. So many people have
written me letters and said, I cannot be your friend anymore. People who I've known.
How does that make you feel? Is it liberating or is it sad?
It's sad, but you know, it also is, I feel like they're making a mistake.
There's nothing that I can do about it, so I just have to keep moving.
It's very, it's strange behavior.
There's people who are like, you know, a lot of people I grew up with, people I've, one guy who I've kayaked with on probably 50 rivers, first ascents in Latin America, and on the Arctic, from the Arctic to Patagonia, and you know, one of my closest friends from my whole life, living in the wilderness with this guy, living in tents all night, and you know, and being really, you know, In a foxhole with him and he just said I can't be your friend anymore And many many other people like that and it's um, it's a very very it's part of this phenomenon I think is Trump during you know, people describe as Trump derangement syndrome where You're gonna break up relationship because of a political choice, you know and there's so many other things that you have in common with them and you know that you
All of your values are still the same.
And there's nothing about me that's changed.
You know, it's like the Dick Cheney.
He's the same person.
I still don't like Dick Cheney.
Dick Cheney was the same person he was 20 years ago.
Exactly.
So if Democrats are applauding Dick Cheney, they changed.
He didn't.
Yeah, that's the point.
Dick Cheney loves war just as much.
Censorship.
Torture.
No, that's exactly right.
Patriot Act.
Surveillance.
He's an incredibly unethical person.
He's vengeful.
And his daughter, oh my goodness.
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And so we have this moment of realignment and you're campaigning very hard for President Trump around this unity ticket, which again I want to applaud you and say that for all the letters you get of people that say I can't be friends for you, there are no exaggeration millions of people that support you and pray for you and consider what you do to be one of the most courageous things in modern American politics.
I mean that.
And so, this race is very bizarre because they installed a candidate at the last moment.
President Trump seems to be very competitive right now with Kamala Harris.
Who knows who's winning or who's not winning.
Just this last weekend, another assassination attempt against President Trump.
What are we to make of this?
Do you think there's any credence to the idea that there might be someone within the government working to try to kill Donald Trump?
I don't know.
Should we dismiss it at face value?
No, we should not dismiss that at face value, but I don't know.
I think that we should actually make a real inquiry about what happened.
You mean not the Warren Commission?
Right, not the Warren Commission.
We need to have a real inquiry about what happened, and actually President Trump, when he introduced me, Well, if you were to speculate, why are the JFK files still classified?
said that he was going to do that. He said he was going to reopen the Kennedy assassination
and that he was also going to have a commission that would look at that and look at the attempt
at that time, the single attempt to assassinate him.
What if you were to speculate, why are the JFK files still classified? What are they
hiding?
I mean, the weird thing was that to me, that President Trump promised as a campaign promise
that he was going to declassify them.
And then he got in there and he didn't do it.
You have to wonder why that is.
Well, let me tell you.
And then President Biden ran and he promised the same thing and then he didn't do it.
I asked President Trump about that, you know, recently, and he said, oh, you were wondering about that.
We had a really sort of great conversation about it, and he said, Mike Pompeo called me, and he said, he begged me, he begged me, he said, you can't do it.
And I came in, and he said, I made a mistake.
So I have to interrupt.
Why is the CIA director so interested in an assassination?
That happened 60 years ago.
Was the CIA involved?
Because they shouldn't be.
Well, clearly the CIA was involved in the assassination and in the cover-up.
And the last tranche of documents that were released And by the way, you know, people shouldn't take my word for it, but they should keep an open mind and then do their own research.
Watch Oliver Stone's film.
It's a great summary.
Yeah, I'll tell you, the best book written about this, and I've read many, many of the books, and there's literally hundreds of them, but the best book written is called The Unspeakable by James Douglas, and Douglas is first a real a brilliant writer and a brilliant storyteller
But and this book is as riveting as any crime not novel that you've ever read
But he does a great job because what happened after the Warren Commission the Warren Commission was just a cover-up
It was run by Alan Dulles who was who is the prime suspect?
Wasn't it Earl Warren that was the chair or something?
Earl Warren was the quote chair The Supreme Court justice.
Yeah, but he had a full-time job at the Supreme Court.
They put his name on the trust.
They put his name to give it integrity and credibility.
And all the other people were full-time senators, congressmen, etc.
With full-time jobs.
The only guy who was at every meeting and paid attention to every document was Alan Dulles.
And Alan Dulles, my uncle had fired, who was the head of the CIA for most of its history, was the guy my uncle fired.
And because he fired him for lying to him at the Bay of Pigs.
Yes.
And then he came back into public life as essentially the chair of the Warren Commission.
People who are on that commission said it should have been called the Dulles Commission because he did all the work and he manipulated it and we now know exactly what he did to keep the CIA out of it that he was conspiring and meeting regularly with J. Edgar Hoover.
to collude with them to make sure that the CIA connections to particularly to
Oswald. Oswald was a CIA asset since 1957. He was recruited by John James Jesus
Angleton who's the head of the counterterrorism division of the CIA and
then he was initially deployed in a fake defection to Russia's.
So he was sent to Russia.
He was working as a Marine.
He was a very intelligent, highly intelligent guy, very idealistic and patriotic, and he was a radar operator at the Atasui Air Force Base in Japan, which was a top-secret Air Force base with a CIA U-2.
planes flew out of that Air Force base and he was sent over as a defection.
To fake a defection, you know, he did a very noisy defection.
He went to the U.S.
Embassy and denounced his own citizenship.
And then he went to Moscow and he ended up marrying the daughter of a colonel in the KGB.
And he was actually sent over there because the CIA knew that it had a mole in Langley.
And they were trying to – this is what the evidence points to, that they were trying to detect who that mole was and they thought if this guy defected that the mole in Langley would – because they'd be curious about him – would look for his file.
And they had a trigger on his file that anybody who took it out would be kind of suspect.
And this is with the evidence points, too.
Did that work, that plan?
No.
They never found out who the mole was in Langley, but there was a mole there, and that's how they shut down the U2, ultimately.
The mole Langley told them how to shoot down the Russians, how to shoot down the U-2 in May of 1960.
But he was sent over there and nothing happened.
And then he comes back, he comes back, he goes back to the U.S.
Embassy.
Tells him he wants his citizenship back.
They give it to him.
There's no inquisition.
There's no prison sentences.
He is given instead an airport plane ticket to fly back to Dallas.
And then, you know, a year later, he's involved.
Do you think that he was in the Texas School Board depository?
I think he was in the depository.
Do I think he fired a shot?
No.
No, these are questions I always want to ask you because I know above average.
And so you believe that the shots came from the Grasino that killed your uncle?
I think that there were a number of shooters.
We know the names of the shooters.
And they were mainly, most of them, and they were mainly people from these divisions that were involved in the Castro assassination projects.
So they were from out of the Miami station of EPA, the people working under Bill Harvey and under the CIA propaganda chief, David Adley Phillips.
And it was his team, and he was Oswald's handler.
In fact, I talked to another person, one of the Cubans, who met Oswald with David Attlee Phillips in Dallas about two months before the assassination.
But clearly, the CIA was involved in it.
They clearly were involved in the cover-up, and that's very well documented.
And the initial question you – and let me just talk about Douglas' book.
What Douglas does is after the Warren Commission – the Warren Commission basically created this orthodoxy that anybody – that everybody should believe that it was a single shooter who was a madman.
And then in 64, the CIA sends out a memo to all of its Operation Mockingbird journalists, the people, you know, the American journalists who were working for the CIA, and tells them, and this memo is in the archives, anybody can look it up.
And tells them that anybody who questioned this should be called a conspiracy theorist.
And that was the genesis of that term.
Right.
And that term suddenly became the term that everybody that is used to discredit anybody who questions official orthodoxies.
And then in the late 70s, you have the church hearings.
Church and Pike, yeah.
Right.
And during the church hearings, and there's the Congressional Select Committee on Assassination and the Senate hearings.
Those hearings come to the conclusion, and this is in the congressional record, that Oswald was not the only shooter, that my uncle was killed by a conspiracy.
Half the people on the head of that committee was a guy called Bob Blakey, who's still alive.
Half the people on the committee, or more than half of the staff of that committee, believed it was the CIA.
And then some of them, like Blakey himself, at that time believed it was the Mafia, and they didn't understand that those were two of the same organization.
And then since then, but that finding by that committee was hardly reported in the press.
So the orthodoxy had already become impervious.
And that anybody who questioned that orthodoxy was a conspiracy.
They never acknowledged that a much bigger investigation that Congress had put on for several years had found the opposite.
And then since then, there's been hundreds of thousands of documents that are released, and there's been confessions by probably 30 people who were involved.
And every eyewitness that was there that day said they heard shootings, shots in other places.
Multiple shootings, right.
And every part of the official orthodoxy has been absolutely discredited.
And many of the people who were involved that day, as I said, have given confessions.
And Jim Douglas does a really good job of synthesizing all of that information from hundreds of thousands of documents and putting it into a very, very clear and concise story that looks at all the different alternatives and establishes the truth that we actually know about.
So, you know, I think that's – if people really want to know, they shouldn't take my word for it.
They should go out and do their research, and the easiest way to do that research, that book has probably 2,000 footnotes on it, and it's very, very well documented.
They'll say Americans can't handle the truth.
It's the Jack Nicklaus line, that Americans can't handle what they're going to find at JFK.
That's an oligarchy.
That's not democracy.
Just so we're clear, what you've said is correct, that our own government in a congressional hearing, not hearing, just project investigation, found that our own government killed its president.
Well, it didn't say that.
What I'm saying is that...
Yeah, what they said is there was a conspiracy.
I know, but if a conspiracy then, fundamentally then, means the government's lying,
because the government said Lee Harvey Oswald, that was the official...
Yes.
Right? Therefore, if more than one shooter, why cover it up?
It must be true.
Yeah.
Because two shooters means that it wasn't just this guy, you know, with a bolt-action rifle, you know, in a couple stories up in Dallas, could take out a sitting president.
Yeah, a mail-order rifle.
Yeah, and he wasn't even a good shot, probably.
Right.
He wasn't a good shot.
He was a terrible shot.
That's well documented.
And the sights were broken.
And we're not really sure.
And of course he was killed by Jack Ruby.
Which never made any sense to me.
I was standing in the White House in the East Room next to my uncle's casket when President Johnson came in.
You were 11?
I was 10.
My and told my father Jackie and my mother who I happen to be standing next to them at the time
At Jack Ruby had that had that a man had killed Lee Harvey Oswald who we all knew his name at that point
and he killed him in broad daylight and When Johnson went away I asked my mom did he do that
because he loved our family So, you know even in my ten-year-old brain at that point I'm
like I was like something's wrong with this story And of course, Jack Ruby did not love our family.
He was part of the Chicago mob.
He owned a club, didn't he?
Yeah.
Series of clubs?
He had come out of Sam Giancana's shop in Chicago, which was, you know, one of the three mob families who were involved.
In the Cuba project, these were all mob families.
There were three of them.
Giancana's Chicago mob, Santos Traficante's Tampa mob, and then Carlos Marcello, who was the mob head chief in Dallas and New Orleans.
They all had casino projects in Havana, so they had a community of interest with the CIA because they wanted to get rid of Castro because Castro had closed all their casinos and taken away their assets.
And they thought if Casho was dead that they would be able to reclaim those.
And so they had been contacted through a guy called Robert Mayhew, who worked for Howard Hughes and his casino in Las Vegas.
Bill Harvey, who was the Miami station chief, had contacted him.
Mayhew had introduced them to a lower-level capo in the mob whose name was Johnny Rizzelli.
And Johnny Roselli was this sort of devout Catholic who'd been a war hero.
He was a sharpshooter, a crack shot.
He was ironically both a devout Catholic and also just a cold-blooded murderer.
And a very, very attractive guy.
He was kind of a ladies' man.
He never wore socks.
He always wore loafers.
He always drove Cadillac convertibles.
He had no address.
And he was incredibly charming.
And he became best friends with Bill Harvey, who was the Miami station chief of the CIA.
He was the godfather to Harvey's children.
He went on all of his vacations to Harvey, and he was the liaison between the three mob
families who were involved in the assassination efforts against Cuba.
And he actually was training the Cuban teams in assassination tactics.
And there's extraordinary stories of him, that he was, you know, at a thousand yards,
that he could shoot the… I think.
They were training on these islands down off of the Keys in Florida, and they would practice in the morning by shooting the heads off of cormorants that were, you know, on the horizon, essentially, and that he was an extraordinary shot.
In closing here, Bobby, and by the way, he was subpoenaed by the committee, by the Senate committee, and he was, the day before he was subpoenaed, he disappeared, and then he was found three days later.
Chopped in many pieces in a 55-gallon oil drum in Biscayne Bay.
And then a few weeks after that, Giancana was subpoenaed and Giancana was murdered in his basement, executed in his basement.
And they were one of probably, I think, 25 or 26 of the witnesses.
We're summarily murdered who were supposed to testify in front of that committee.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
Yeah.
In closing here, what can Trump, if he wins, do to rein in the CIA?
I don't know if you saw it, but Trump did an amazing speech this week, and you should play it on this.
I might have missed it.
It's just a short segment and I didn't see the whole speech, but he did like a nine-point
or ten-point speech outlining exactly what he was going to do at the CIA.
And my father had a plan for the CIA and in the last tranche of documents that came out,
there was a memo by Dick Goodwin and Arthur Schlesinger about how to reorganize the CIA.
And for some reason the CIA did not want that coming out.
My father had essentially the same plan, and he outlined it to Pete Hamill, who was one of the reporters who was covering him.
Pete Hamill, a week before he died, my dad died, asked my father, what are you going to do about the CIA?
And my father said, we need to separate the espionage division, which is the division that does actually information gathering, you know, and analysis, which you want the president to have from the dirty tricks, what they call the plans division, which is the paramilitary division that does the assassinations.
It does, you know, fixes elections.
It bribes, you know, union leaders and does all of those mischief stuff.
Which has made us hated all over the world, and looking like a hypocrite all over the world.
And my father said we need to separate those two, because you want actually the espionage division looking over the shoulder critically at what the plans division does, so that there has to be some accountability about the blowback from these operations, and there's none.