Sept. 16, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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| Susan Crabtree joins us about Trump's assassination attempt. | |
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| Joining us now is Susan Crabtree from Real Clear Politics, White House correspondent. | |
| Susan, welcome back to the program. | |
| Thanks so much for having me. | |
| Susan, I want to play this piece of tape here of the Palm Beach sheriff basically dismissing the idea, well, everyone did their job and there wasn't as secure of a perimeter because he's not the president. | |
| Very kind of similar type tones to Butler, but obviously a little bit more. | |
| They're almost, they want us to celebrate the fact that there's not a secure perimeter. | |
| Let's play cut two. | |
| How was this able to happen? | |
| And for future records, is there any up security on the golf course? | |
| Well, you got to understand the golf course is surrounded by shrubbery. | |
| So when somebody gets into the shrubbery, they're pretty much out of sight. | |
| All right. | |
| And at this level that he is at right now, he's not the sitting president. | |
| If he was, we would have had this entire golf course around him. | |
| But because he's not, the security is limited to the areas that the Secret Service deems possible. | |
| So, I would imagine that the next time he comes at a golf course, there'll probably be a little bit more people around the perimeter, but the Secret Service did exactly what they should have done. | |
| They provided exactly what the protection should have been, and their agent did a fantastic job. | |
| Susan, what changes, if any, happened to his detail after the first assassination attempt when he was shot? | |
| Well, they totally revamped it. | |
| They were treating him as a former president, as we all know now, and it was as if he were similar threat level. | |
| President Obama would get or attract our Jimmy Carter. | |
| And that makes absolutely zero sense. | |
| So we've since then had a lot more assets. | |
| I'm told by my sources in the Secret Service community who were just coming forth, very, it was very nice to have so many people to talk to, but it was extremely busy yesterday. | |
| They're saying that his, that it's just below, it can't really say it's equal to a sitting president. | |
| It's not equal. | |
| Otherwise, like, like Rick Bradshaw said, the sheriff there said it would have been surrounding there would have been streets that were shut down around the golf course. | |
| There would have been a much more fortified perimeter, but the problem. | |
| What I'm hearing here is there's a balance to be struck and part of this has to do with Donald Trump. | |
| He did get counter snipers at Mar-a-Lago. | |
| The problem, there was a big problem with Mar-a-Lago and his Donald Trump detail itself for years has been asking for more assets for Mar-a-Lago. | |
| They finally gave him 4 million, but they did it piecemeal over time, which is a normal thing that the Secret Service does that's irritating to the people requesting the additional assets. | |
| Because if they're threat-based, they should be quickly done as quickly as possibly installed. | |
| But since Butler, my questions are exactly, is he getting a counter-surveillance unit? | |
| We don't know. | |
| I think he does have the counter-assault team that the president gets. | |
| Obviously, he doesn't have the military assets like Marine One and Air Force One and a military aid. | |
| But I want a definite breakdown. | |
| I'm told that it's definitely shy of the sitting president, but how they fortify these golf courses that Trump, you know, wants, he owns, and he wants to go to with a bit of, you know, interaction with people. | |
| He was there with Steve Whitkoff, his good friend and donor. | |
| You know, it's kind of a balance to be struck. | |
| After this, I just wrote a piece this morning saying, you know, there has to be a reckoning. | |
| Between the Trump campaign and the Secret Service on how they want to operate, how freely they're going to allow him to operate from here on out. | |
| Because we've had two assassination attempts in two months. | |
| You need to change what you're doing. | |
| And my question is, they've been so, you know, within the Secret Service, I'm hearing that they are launching this drone program after You know, not doing it since 2016, very resistant to any change at the Secret Service. | |
| And the technology, like Dan Bongino likes to say, it's yesterday's technology tomorrow. | |
| They're really bad on embracing new technology. | |
| And they're now, though, Ron Rowe, the acting director, has promised that he's going to institute drones and he wants to get the program up and running. | |
| So was there a drone that helped them find that Ruth, Ryan Ruth in the bushes there with an AK-47. | |
| I do have that question in Secret Service. | |
| They haven't responded yet. | |
| So what I'm not totally clear of is why does Donald Trump not have the same protection as Kamala Harris? | |
| That is a decision that can be made by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, correct? | |
| He's a former president, opposition political leader. | |
| And so basically, Kamala Harris puts out a nice press release, but does nothing to actually protect him. | |
| They could choose to give him the same level of protection. | |
| Is that correct? | |
| No, I think that it's whether that decision on the Biden administration is whether to give them or not protection, and then the Secret Service decides what level. | |
| And Kimberly Cheadle, who resigned in disgrace, in part because of this decision, treated him as a former president and didn't give him, I think, I think he has more than Kamala has right now. | |
| Wait, the president can't override the Secret Service and say, give him more agents? | |
| No, he can request it. | |
| There is actually a bicameral organization that determines that in addition to Biden, that actually Speaker Johnson is involved in as well. | |
| But yes, Biden says, whether you get it or not, and the Secret Service says, we always says that it's the level that you're provided is threat-based, but when it came to Donald Trump, he broke the mold. | |
| You know, he has tens of thousands of people. | |
| He's not a former president like President Obama, that the threat level decreases when you're out of office. | |
| He's the first person running, president, former president running, again, challenging a sitting president. | |
| In our lifetime now, of course, the sitting vice president. | |
| But yeah, I mean, he broke the mold. | |
| Donald Trump broke the mold. | |
| So now we're trying to assess where he is. | |
| My sources said just shy of what the sitting president gets. | |
| But in this situation, the sitting president is in a weird situation. | |
| He's not as active as much as he was. | |
| Just, you know, a month and a half ago. | |
| So it's a bizarre situation. | |
| They're not being forthcoming. | |
| I asked them this yesterday. | |
| When he goes to the golf course, does Donald Trump get the same assets as President Biden did when he went to Wilmington, when he played at Wilmington? | |
| They have not answered that question. | |
| I think that's a key question. | |
| So tell us more about the agent who spotted him in the tree line. | |
| Well, we know only that they spotted the barrel of the AK-47 and they started shooting. | |
| Now, I always hesitate to say who shot first. | |
| The local law enforcement agents, the sheriffs there, definitely said they gave Great kudos to the Secret Service for, for shooting first and going after this guy. | |
| The guy fled, but you know, other people within the Secret Service community, not me, this is not coming from me, said, well, you know, he didn't, he didn't hit his shot. | |
| So kudos for being more aggressive and, and identifying him quicker than what happened in Butler. | |
| So there's progress there. | |
| But you know, they're faulting him within the Secret Service for not making the shot and then allowing him to run away. | |
| So, yeah, it's a mixed bag. | |
| And I want to know, you know, why they didn't have more security. | |
| Now, the reason what I'm hearing from sources is that it was considered OTR, an OTR event. | |
| And that's, you know, short in journalism, we like say off the record, right? | |
| It's similar kind of connotation with the Secret Service, but just means it wasn't on the schedule. | |
| Okay, so it's like an impromptu event that they kind of like have to, | |
| it's not like a pickup team, that's the same detail that always protects them | |
| and train together, but they kind of have to operate more loosely. | |
| And they don't plan ahead, like when they do a rally or an event. | |
| So what Dan Bongino and some of my sources said to me, Dan Bongino said it on X, | |
| and my sources were confirming it to me, The... | |
| He's losing the ability to be unpredictable because he's always playing golf at the same golf courses. | |
| So you can't treat it as an OTR anymore where it's loose security. | |
| You've got to either not do it at all, which I'm sure is not an option for Donald Trump, or you have to plan ahead a little bit more and treat it as And fortify it in a better way, because the Secret Service is definitely OTR events. | |
| It's like when Jill Biden and Joe Biden went to the Waffle House after the debate the next morning. | |
| That was kind of a looser OTR event. | |
| They take the risk, you know, the president takes the risk. | |
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| So Susan, the culture within the Secret Service, are people still reeling from Butler and also this? | |
| Just to be honest, as a citizen, I have no faith in the U.S. | |
| Secret Service to keep Donald Trump safe. | |
| I know this one individual agent acted well. | |
| But again, these are two assassination attempts where this shooter got within 300 to 500 yards. | |
| We saw what happened in Butler, which was a travesty. | |
| What is the culture within the Secret Service right now? | |
| Oh, I think that they're concerned. | |
| I've talked to sources with the Secret Service who are worried that they have lowered their standards in recent years and they're not even training as much with their guns. | |
| They're not even doing as thorough a polygraph. | |
| They don't test for mental health issues. | |
| I have several Secret Service sources who are worried about an insider threat. | |
| They say that only, you know, they really only think that 25% of the Secret Service is fully capable of what they tout | |
| themselves to be. | |
| That's a minority opinion, of course, you know, not everyone's going to ascribe to that, | |
| but these people were in positions to see the application process. So I honestly believe | |
| that there's been a lowering of standards in the Secret Service. | |
| And the threat is so great to have two. | |
| It's so tragic and unbelievable to me that we're in this place right now, that we have two assassination attempts in two months against Donald Trump. | |
| And there's this Iranian threat bearing down that they make no secrets of it. | |
| And there's this granular report that came out from Senator Grassley about this guy, Asif Merchant, that they, Pakistani guy with ties to Iran that they arrested the day for the FBI arrested day for the Butler rally. | |
| And then he's off in previously in Iran for two weeks with the same meeting with a safe house with and talking about funding with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard for and you know, they describe it in granular detail. | |
| Oh, are we going to use a pistol? | |
| Are we going to use a rifle? | |
| Is it going to be inside rally or is it going to be an outside rally? | |
| What I find deeply disturbing is that this guy, Asif Merchant, was assessing the Secret Service assets attached to Donald Trump at these rallies while they were still considering him A former president. | |
| So it opened up the vulnerability when it comes to the Iranians. | |
| Now, whether these two guys, Thomas Crooks, 20 year old Thomas Crooks, and now Ryan Roth, whether they have any type of foreign influence. | |
| We know Ryan Roth has a foreign influence. | |
| You can't rule that out. | |
| I like to see the FBI try to rule that out like they did with Thomas Crooks right away. | |
| I wasn't really satisfied with their answers because The FBI only has done one thorough briefing. | |
| Well, it wasn't even thorough with reporters about, and they said they came to the conclusion with Crooks that he didn't have any, he was acting alone and he didn't have any foreign influence. | |
| Well, you know, tell me about his travel. | |
| Tell me, did he travel to New York? | |
| Because this guy asked if Merchant was in New York recruiting hitmen for Donald, to assassinate Donald Trump. | |
| It's right there in the proper. | |
| That Grassley got a hold of. | |
| It's pretty disturbing. | |
| And then, you know, we all know that I got another source last night sending me a video that the Ayatollah Khomeini posted on his website that is an animation video of a robot drone taking, taking out Donald Trump while he was golfing. | |
| It is animated. | |
| Okay. | |
| But. | |
| They make no bones about what their goal is. | |
| And we know in granular detail that they were doing it. | |
| They were plotting it. | |
| So these guys could be just, you know, kind of strange individuals. | |
| They both seem a little bit off, you know, mentally. | |
| But we know with Ryan Roth now that there is Iranian connections. | |
| I mean, certainly there's a Ukraine connection. | |
| He was upset that he wanted to save Ukraine has delusions of grandeur about his role in doing | |
| so, was recruiting Afghan fighters to go to a fight in Ukraine, because | |
| somehow that would be better because the Taliban is so terrible and as condemned, | |
| I've, you know, obviously I've heard that too, from, from people that we left behind | |
| and that were our assets in Afghanistan now under Taliban rules. | |
| So, but it was weird that the way that he was so instrumental and he was so confident about trying to recruit people. | |
| And I took screenshots of his, his X.com account before they shut it down last night. | |
| And he was even talking about sending some of these Afghan fighters to Taiwan to fortify Taiwan against China. | |
| I mean, I don't know. | |
| I want to know way more about that. | |
| I want to know more about that. | |
| And Ryan was also in Washington, D.C. | |
| Susan, keep up the great work, everyone. | |
| Check out your work at RealClearPolitics.com. | |
| I visit RealClearPolitics every day. | |
| Thank you so much. | |
| Absolutely. | |
| Thank you. | |
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| Joining us now is Dr. Ben Carson, one of the most honorable men alive. | |
| Welcome back to the program. | |
| Thank you, Charlie. | |
| Always good to be with you. | |
| So Dr. Carson, lots to discuss here. | |
| I want to just start with this. | |
| I understand that the president asked you to host a faith event at Mar-a-Lago with pastors from around the country and really have you spearhead the faith effort for him. | |
| Tell our audience about that and why you believe that people of faith and Christians should vote for Donald Trump. | |
| Well, we are working on that. | |
| Whether it will be at Mar-a-Lago or not, we haven't completely nailed down, but you'll be hearing more about that. | |
| You know, our country, our founding document, the Declaration of Independence, says that our rights come from our Creator, a.k.a. | |
| God. | |
| So what people need to be thinking about is, do you like our country and the principles upon which it was founded? | |
| Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. | |
| Who running for office runs on a platform of life and who on a platform of death? | |
| Who runs on a platform of liberty leading the life that you want to lead versus mandates about this, that, and the other? | |
| Who runs on a platform of you can be all that you want to be. | |
| It's up to you versus you're a victim. | |
| It shouldn't be hard to figure out who I'm talking about. | |
| And what we want people to do is to just start thinking for themselves. | |
| Don't be manipulated. | |
| Don't be gaslighted. | |
| Just believe what your eyes are telling you. | |
| Believe what your ears are telling you. | |
| Believe what your heart is telling you. | |
| There is a reason that America ascended from obscurity to the pinnacle of the world in record time. | |
| And it was not a coincidence. | |
| And all you have to do is think back a few years to how you were doing, what your optimism level was, versus now. | |
| And ask yourself, is that a coincidence? | |
| Or is it a difference in the style of governing? | |
| These are the things that are so important for the American people to realize. | |
| And also this whole concept of somebody being anti-democratic. | |
| The people who are saying that Trump is a danger to democracy, are they not the same people who are using the justice system to persecute their political enemies? | |
| Are they not the same people who are trying to stifle freedom of speech? | |
| Think about the things they're doing. | |
| Are they not the same people who have the candidate for president who received not a single vote in the primaries? | |
| So I wonder who it is that is really stifling democracy. | |
| So, Dr. Carson, having worked in close proximity with President Trump as housing urban development and knowing him for quite some time, can you speak to what some Christians would say as personal grievances against President Trump? | |
| They say that I can't possibly support him because he's a sinner, so on and so forth. | |
| Can you address that head-on, Dr. Carson? | |
| I'm sure you receive that quite a lot, and I think you're uniquely positioned to counter that. | |
| Well, first of all, The only perfect person ever to live was Jesus and he was crucified. | |
| So I'm not sure that any of us are in a position to be the judge and jury. | |
| But there's a reason that we have these sophisticated brains. | |
| For instance, if you had a very severe disease that could be cured by a very talented surgeon, would you rather have the surgeon who has poor bedside manner That's why we have a brain so we can figure those kinds of things out, looking at the big picture. | |
| You have to really look at the policies. | |
| Rhetoric and speech, that's what politicians do. | |
| Politicians are very good at doing what is politically expedient. | |
| Going around with their finger in the air, seeing which way the wind is blowing, and then changing to adapt to it. | |
| That's not something that you're finding with Donald Trump. | |
| Now, maybe to some people's consternation, maybe they want him to change, but he's not going to. | |
| He's who he is. | |
| And what he has done policy-wise has been extraordinarily beneficial for every segment of our society. | |
| And those are the kinds of things that we should look at. | |
| We can always work on personality issues later on. | |
| now the issues later on. | |
| Dr. Carson, I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, because I see them changing | |
| constantly, but from what I understand, only half of Bible-believing, church-attending | |
| Christians are registered to vote, and only half of those end up voting. | |
| I'm sure you could correct me if that's wrong, but I think that's approximately correct. | |
| Why is that the case? | |
| Unfortunately, there have been many who have advocated staying out of the mix, that it's | |
| all corrupt, and why get involved in something that is corrupt? | |
| And what I would say to them is, one of the reasons it's corrupt is because good people don't get involved. | |
| And if all the good people say, it's too bad, I don't want to get involved, who's left? | |
| And whose policies will be the ones that govern our society? | |
| So there is a real responsibility to get involved. | |
| And also you have to think about your children and your grandchildren and all the people who are coming after us. | |
| And then think about the fact that you are able to live in peace and freedom. | |
| But that is not a given. | |
| That is because there were people who preceded you, who were willing to sacrifice everything, including their lives, to give you these opportunities. | |
| So why wouldn't we want to get involved? | |
| And now looking at the second assassination attempt against Donald Trump, a friend of both of ours who, again, he was not shot at, but it definitely was an assassination attempt. | |
| The spiritual darkness that is plaguing our land. | |
| Dr. Carson, your reaction to Donald Trump yet again surviving an assassination attempt? | |
| Well, I believe, and I've told him this for years, that God is using him I told him that when I was first running against him as president, that he was going to win. | |
| Could God have a special place for him in trying to save our nation? | |
| And I believe that to be the case. | |
| He has the right temperament, the right personality. | |
| You know, some people may not like it, but there comes a time when being the very nicest person that you can be, Just doesn't necessarily get the job done. | |
| And like I said before, we can work on his personality later on. | |
| God will work on his personality. | |
| But right now we need leadership. | |
| You think about all the things that are going on in the world right now that wouldn't necessarily be going on if we had strong leadership. | |
| America has been the one to carry the banner of Our strength and integrity in the past. | |
| And when we lower that banner, all kinds of things begin to crop up. | |
| And there's domino effects. | |
| You look at the fact that we backed off of Iran and allowed them to fill their coffers from their oil revenues. | |
| What's the impact of that? | |
| They will be speeded along the way to obtaining a nuclear weapon. | |
| And when they get a nuclear weapon, they're going to use it on Israel. | |
| They're not going to be restrained by the concept of mutual destruction, because they don't care if they're destroyed. | |
| Because according to their philosophy, if you're a warrior on the side of righteousness, you go to heaven and you get 72 virgins. | |
| So that's not a big deterrent for them whatsoever. | |
| But we need the kind of leadership that understands that. | |
| We need the kind of leadership that understands that if we use our liquid natural gas and supply Europe with what they need, it diminishes the power and the purse of Putin. | |
| And those are the kinds of things that prevent the aggression that we're seeing there. | |
| The moment that we're at, Dr. Carson, we need unity and we need peace and we need healing. | |
| How do we get to a place of reconciliation here? | |
| Because the temperature feels way too hot for normal Americans right now. | |
| Well, you hear some people saying, let's stop some of the rhetoric about this person being an ex Hitler and destroying America if they're elected and maybe just focus on the policy and the policy differences. | |
| What those are. | |
| And that goes for both sides. | |
| Both sides need to focus on the policy. | |
| It's tempting to take jabs at your opponents and to try to denigrate them. | |
| But really, what good does that do in the long run? | |
| What we really need to do is talk about what makes the difference. | |
| Kitchen table issues for the average American. | |
| And I think that's one of the reasons that Donald Trump has seen such And increasing his support among some of the groups that traditionally did not support Republicans. | |
| And I hope we will continue to really focus on those kitchen table issues that affect everybody every day. | |
| Dr. Carson, please stay right there. | |
| A lot more to get to. | |
| And please, can you also just talk about the American Cornerstone Institute? | |
| American Cornerstone Institute is a think tank slash do tank That focuses on the principles that made us into a great nation. | |
| Faith, liberty, community, and life. | |
| And we also have the Little Patriot program. | |
| We call it the Inoculation to Indoctrination. | |
| All free of charge, by the way, in the Executive Branch for America, which we do in conjunction with your Turning Point USA program. | |
| And it's been wonderful to see the response for the young people in our universities across the country. | |
| And we have you coming out in Phoenix with Turning Point Action in just a couple weeks. | |
| Looking forward to that, Dr. Carson. | |
| And also check out his book, The Perilous Fight. | |
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| Dr. Carson, there is this news story here of Democrats that are working with pastors | |
| to try to get Kamala Harris elected. | |
| It's very difficult for me to understand and for me to kind of sympathize with that. | |
| We need pastors and we need Christians to get on board for this fight, as you talk about in your book, the perilous fight overcoming our culture's war on the American family. | |
| Dr. Ben Carson, speak about your book and talk about if we do not get Donald Trump elected, | |
| this fight might even become more perilous. | |
| Well, before I do that, I just want to say my wife wanted me to tell you | |
| how much she enjoyed your conversation with the woke college students. | |
| Thank you. | |
| That was quite an experience, Dr. Carson. | |
| I know you're used to being surrounded. | |
| I was surrounded by 25 woke college kids. | |
| That was something else. | |
| So tell Candy, thank you. | |
| And that means a lot to me. | |
| So thank you. | |
| Now, as far as the book is concerned, A Perilous Fight, people, of course, will recognize that phrase from our Star Spangled Banner. | |
| We're in a perilous fight right now for the soul of our nation. | |
| There are a lot of things going on, but basically there's an effort to form a one-world government. | |
| The major obstacle for that is the United States of America. | |
| Our values and principles do not make that possible. | |
| Therefore, we cannot be overcome militarily. | |
| You have to overcome us from within. | |
| How do you do that? | |
| You go to the basic building block of the society. | |
| That is our families. | |
| Our families are under severe attack. | |
| Just witness the fact that whenever you're looking at television or a television series, you don't get very far into it before you're introduced to an alternative to the traditional nuclear family. | |
| Making it not only acceptable, but even preferable. | |
| Those are big issues in our culture right now. | |
| And a young person growing up, how confused can you make someone? | |
| You know, you may not be a girl and you may not be a boy. | |
| Boys complaining and girls sports. | |
| What is your pronoun? | |
| Rather than reading, writing and arithmetic, so that you can be a competent member of society. | |
| Those are huge things. | |
| And both the liberal and the conservative think tanks both find that children raised in a traditional nuclear family do much better under all parameters than those who are raised outside of that structure. | |
| So there must be something good about it and we need to go back and re-examine the things that were going on when our country was moving forward and compare those to the things that are going on which are moving our country backwards. | |
| And one of the biggest issues, of course, is that we've tried to exclude God. | |
| When our founding document says that He is the one from where our rights are derived, when we throw Him out, when we throw out the Ten Commandments, when we throw out any gauges for the sense of morality, what happens to a society like that when every man becomes his own measuring stick of what is moral and good? | |
| You see the same kinds of things that we're seeing? | |
| The massive crime and cruelty that's going on to our fellow man. | |
| We've reached a point where instead of love your neighbor, our management is cancel your neighbor if they have a different yard sign. | |
| That's not who we are as a nation. | |
| That's not who we have been in the past. | |
| And that is indeed what will destroy us if we don't wake up and recognize it fairly quickly. | |
| Amen. | |
| Dr. Carson, thank you for your leadership and your guidance and your wisdom. | |
| Just a reminder, we have Dr. Ben Carson coming to Phoenix, Arizona for an amazing Turning Point Action event at Dream City Church on October 2nd. | |
| Dr. Carson, we hope to really fill that out and to really make it big for you. | |
| Hopefully we'll have thousands and thousands of people there. | |
| And that is right before early voting in Arizona, Dr. Carson. | |
| It will be a faith-centered event. | |
| Really looking forward to seeing you there, Dr. Carson. | |
| Thank you and God bless you. | |
| And thank you for being courageous boys. | |
| Thank you. | |
| God bless you. | |
| Thanks so much for listening. | |
| Everybody email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com. | |
| Thanks so much for listening and God bless. |
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