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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 56 — Was Churchill Bad? + Worst Team In Football?
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Hello, welcome to ThoughtCrime.
It is ThoughtCrime Thursday.
We have a lot in store for you here.
We have Blake, Tyler, and Jack.
How's everybody doing?
I'm feeling very criminal today, Charlie.
Yeah, you've been in a bad mood all day.
You know, it's just one of those days.
I walk in and Blake was just, like, shredding paper, just walking around very forcefully.
It's a good thing that Blake did not have a military at his disposal this morning.
Yes, indeed.
He might have done something really bad.
You really not happy.
Incited Poland.
Incited a war.
Yeah.
Blake was, uh, he was on one because, and I said, this is Blake's time to shine.
I did my homework.
I listened to most of the podcast.
I don't have that strong of opinions on it.
I, there were three or four things that I found that I was like, okay, that doesn't sound right.
Or I don't agree with, which is the Tucker Carlson podcast with Daryl Cooper.
Yeah, Daryl Cooper.
He also goes by MartyrMade.
I'm not sure what the origin of that is, but it's called MartyrMade.
He has a substack.
He has a podcast.
He has a Twitter account with about 260,000 subscribers, which is about 260,000 more than I have.
Yeah, so the conversation started, fair enough, with him talking about this very in-depth story he did on the Jonestown Cult, claiming that he listened to 2,000 hours of Jim Jones.
That is a lot of hours to listen to Jim Jones.
I'm sorry, I don't believe it.
I just don't.
For someone who listens to lots of hours of content, I went through a 180 hours of an Old Testament Genesis Ex Leviticus Numbers Deuteronomy on two times speed sometimes and it took me like all year to do it correctly.
You know, I just had the thought since I review our podcast episodes.
I wonder if I've listened to 2,000 hours of Charlie.
Well, think about it.
It's not even three hours.
It's about an hour and a half of content a day and then it's not every single day.
It may be since you've started working.
Maybe.
Think of how much content that is.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
So anyway, then it went into what, Blake?
We could play the tape here.
It's set in the Internet of Blaze.
This will be centered on that.
Yeah, so like you said, it starts off with Jonestown, and they talk about Israel-Palestine, lots of stuff like that.
But where it really goes into other stuff is Tucker Nelson.
He's like, oh, you have somewhat different ideas about World War II.
We have several clips here.
I'm not sure which is the best one, but let's just go with the first one on the list, 69.
I'm American.
I'm not English, so I don't have any weird motive in asking this, but how would you assess Winston Churchill?
I got in trouble with my podcast partner, Jocko Willink, one time because he's a New England Dutchman whose family, it's near and dear to their Dutch, but very near and dear to their heart that Winston Churchill is a hero, right?
Well, everyone loves Churchill.
Everyone thinks that.
He really thinks that.
And I told him that I think, and maybe I'm being a little hyperbolic, maybe, but I told him, maybe trying to provoke him a little bit, that I thought Churchill was the chief villain of the Second World War.
Now, he didn't kill the most people.
He didn't commit the most atrocities.
But I believe, and I don't really think, I think when you really get into it and tell the story right and don't leave anything out, you see that he was primarily responsible for that war becoming what it did, becoming something other than an invasion of Poland.
Mind you, there's a picture of Churchill right there.
Chief villain of World War II.
That is a strong label to assert in a conflict.
Why is that not true, Blake?
So, it's such a big-picture thing, like, I need some context.
So, his argument—so, he mentions this on Tucker, and then he also did a Twitter thread that is 54 posts long—on X, I should say, X thread—54 posts long, the first of them has 5.6 million views.
So, that's a surprising amount of play on X for any historical topic.
And the argument, which this has actually been around a while, Pat Buchanan wrote a book arguing this back in 2008, but the claim is that World War II should have been a small war, that Hitler didn't want a big war, he just wanted to go annex Danzig and that was it.
And that Churchill forced him to keep fighting because Churchill wouldn't negotiate peace, and so then Hitler had to go do all of these other things that Hitler decided to do.
Like, he didn't really want to invade the Soviet Union, or do the Holocaust, or do all this other stuff, but then Churchill, like, because Churchill just loved being a warmonger, like, forced I guess forced is the term to do it.
He forced him to do it, is essentially the argument.
And I'll confess, this was an annoying thing I had to do.
I went and I was reading the thread, and I went into this, like, fugue state where I was researching every single assumption that it made.
Explain the thread to the audience, because the thread is different than the podcast.
Yeah, for sure.
So this was the day after.
This was released on Tuesday afternoon, I believe.
Uh, after it started to go viral that he was on it, and I'll just read some portions of it.
You know, he says, time for a Churchill thread, time for a Churchill thread.
Why I think Churchill was a chief villain of World War II.
Uh, and he's, you know, kind of repeats the caveat.
I don't, he didn't order the most deaths or do the most stuff, but then he basically rewrites this narrative where Churchill is single-handedly responsible for Like why Hitler rose, because he says, Churchill blockaded Germany in World War I, and this caused starvation deaths.
But he wasn't in charge.
He was in charge of the Navy when World War I broke out.
He was First Lord of the Admiralty.
That was like 1918 or something.
1914.
It was the start of the war.
The blockade thing, as a strategy, had been decided on beforehand.
He, like, didn't come up with this idea from scratch.
And then, after the war's over, where they'll always kind of cite it as a controversial thing, is after World War I ends, they continue the blockade until the Treaty of Versailles is signed.
So they're still blockading Germany in 1919, after Germany has surrendered.
This is a controversial act.
The argument was they didn't occupy Germany after the war, so the blockade was sort of
how they kept Germany from going take-backsies and resuming the war.
But Churchill argues against this, and this is what was frustrating to me that this went
very viral, is what the entire thread does is he is repeating a lot of stuff from a book
that came out in 2008 that I remember when it came out.
It's called Human Smoke.
And what it is is it's a bunch of quotations and news stories from the lead-up to World
War II that essentially is designed to present the argument that World War II was avoidable
and Winston Churchill and a few other warmongers just really wanted a war, so they decided
to blow it all up.
And that, as a result, by extension, Winston Churchill is responsible for the fall of the British Empire, and some people seem to believe that it's responsible for, like, why wokeness exists.
And I think that's what's actually going into this most of the time, is I think there's this sort of moths to a flame thing where people like—they're drawn to revisionist takes on World War II, and I think on the right it's because a lot of people, you know, they know World War II looms large, that's the creation of the post-war American global order, and that American global order is now, you know, kind of obsessed with mass immigration and you know, gay and trans rights and all of that. And so they
see these two as related.
Yeah. So let me throw to Jack just so that the audience who's not aware can. So, Jack,
why don't you explain what we're responding to carry the audience along here?
Yeah. So it's just basically that there's this this long thread that which which Blake is
responding to that where where Darrell goes in and basically he makes his case using a variety
of instances from the end of World War One all the way up to the beginning of World War Two,
and then later the conduct of World War Two to make this case using these various pieces
of information that, you know, the typical person who may be interested in history or
maybe isn't interested in history maybe doesn't know about.
So like this blockade of Germany which happened Prior to World War II, so what happened, you know, about 30 years prior, at the end of World War I, before the beginning of the Treaty of Versailles, there's all of these various little, and I don't mean to say little, I just mean to say these various instances that he's referring to throughout time, and each of them, when you take them on whole, you know, and you're reading it in a vacuum, you know, it certainly paints a certain picture, and so what Blake has done
is gone through and actually found kind of responses to all of them.
And, you know, like, obviously World War II is something that a lot of people, a lot of scholarship has gone into,
but it's so important for things like this that are so complex that literally involved
something like 80% of the world's landmass at war at one point.
They are extremely complicated and so you can't just take one view of it or another.
Or look at things without it, out of context.
Let's play Cut 71.
Once that's done, the British have, you know, escaped at Dunkirk.
There's no British force left on the continent.
There's no opposing force left on the continent.
In other words, the war is over and the Germans won.
But by what point?
Fall of 1940, right?
So there's literally no opposing force on the continent.
And throughout that summer, Adolf Hitler is firing off radio broadcasts, giving speeches, literally sending planes over to drop leaflets over London and other British cities, trying to get the message to these people that Germany does not want to fight you.
Like, we don't want to fight you.
Offering peace proposals that, you know, said, you keep all your overseas colonies.
We don't want any of that.
We want Britain to be strong.
The world needs Britain to be strong, you know, especially as we face this communist threat and so forth.
Like, this is what's going on.
And I think that if there were people in Britain who, if they hadn't put it this way, if they hadn't been so successful at delegitimizing the peace approach by demonizing Neville Chamberlain and so forth and holding him responsible for the invasion of Poland, that people would have been, they would have understood, like, we don't need another repeat of the First World War.
You know, we don't, which is not what ended up happening, but that's what everybody thought was going to happen.
And so Churchill, I mean you have a guy, Churchill wanted a war.
He wanted to fight Germany.
Hold on, but wasn't Dunkirk the Germans trying to kill British troops?
No, so the narrative he's going with here, just very basic World War II summary for people who don't have it ingrained in their head from like when they read every middle school World War II book when they were 10.
I'll watch the movie Dunkirk, by the way, which is a great movie.
So 1939, Hitler invades Poland, Germany, and Britain and France declare war on Germany.
Not the Soviet Union, not America, Britain and France, and then, you know, other countries that don't count, like Canada.
And Poland's defeated.
After this, Hitler offers peace, and I think Britain and France understandably say, no, you started this war, we're not going to let you conquer Poland.
Anyway, the following year, in the spring, Hitler invades into the West, he also attacks Belgium and the Netherlands, which were neutral countries, beats them, conquers France, and then the British are trapped at Dunkirk, and they escape at Dunkirk, they evacuate back to Britain.
And then what he's saying is after this, the British have been driven out of continental Europe, they're just stuck on Britain, and Germany is essentially the master of Europe from, you know, the Atlantic Ocean to the Soviet Union.
For lack of a better term, he seems a little butthurt about this.
Like, that's not fair!
You're supposed to surrender now!
You're supposed to make peace!
You can't beat Germany!
You're cheating!
And Churchill didn't do that.
Churchill just said, nope, we're going to continue the war.
And lo and behold, five years later, it wasn't Britain that was surrendering, it was Germany.
Uh and so this is it's I guess this sounds esoteric but this went viral for a reason and I'll say I've been around the you know conservatism the right for a long time at this point and there's always been this substrate of like Churchill was bad, or like World War II, like the way it went, like we shouldn't have been involved in it.
And I just can't help but feel that, I don't think it's that like, some people are saying this is like neo-Nazi stuff, I think that's stupid.
I think what it is, is it's like compulsive contrarianism.
That, like you've heard, you know, it's held up as this big like great crusade, every movie, like the Nazis, the bad guys, and everything.
You know, Churchill's this big hero.
And so, for some people, there's just this overwhelming temptation to say, like, no, actually.
But I'll be honest, it reminds me of when people say that, like, America or Britain are systematically racist countries.
You're going to take one of our great achievements, which is beating this absolutely deranged tyrant Hitler who wanted to take over the world and, you know, destroy Christian civilization, And we fought a war against him, and we beat him, and then as a bonus, we managed to beat the Soviet Union.
It took a few decades, but we even did it without firing a shot.
That's a pretty good set of accomplishments.
And I think it's very sad that people are gonna, you know, anyone's gonna come along and say, actually, that was a big mistake, and we shouldn't have done it.
And especially on the grounds of, as he's saying in that clip we just showed, that, oh, Hitler wanted to make peace.
Well, there were several opportunities for Hitler to make peace, and there was also an opportunity to have peace known as not declaring war in the first place.
And there was a person who declared war, and it wasn't Winston Churchill.
But help me understand, weren't Germans killing British forces in France?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
His argument is that the British had lost.
Like, it's not that they weren't being killed.
Wait, you lost a battle, not lost a war.
He says they lost the war because they weren't on France.
So if you're not in France, you've lost.
By what paradigm is this morally clear?
I don't know.
No, I mean, I don't understand the point.
Like, they try to eliminate 300,000 British soldiers, they barely get out at Dunkirk, and then you're like, oh, you know, we should go sue for peace?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
It basically is that they lost a battle.
So under his perspective, if the continent remained Nazi, good.
I don't know if he would say good, but at least acceptable.
He's like, oh sure, Hitler was okay with a strong British Empire, but I guess Britain was supposed to be okay with Nazis ruling France.
So then at what point, help me, educate me, then when did Hitler start firebombing London?
So Hitler doesn't firebomb London.
He does bomb London.
Firebombing... I'm just gonna be a nerd.
That's like technical where you're... Okay, fine.
Okay, great.
He starts bombing London over the summer of 1940 to try to get... He start... Well... But hold on.
But Dunkirk was in June of 1940.
Yeah.
So basically immediately after, France surrenders and then the only thing they have left is Britain and so... Wait, hold on.
But if Hitler really didn't want... wanted Britain to succeed and continue, why did he start bombing them?
Why didn't he just ignore them?
Yeah, I mean, Britain was still at war with him.
Britain was bombing, you know, Britain was bombing Germany.
Britain was very determined to continue the war also.
So, I think, I don't think you can fault either side for waging the war that they were involved in.
But he's making it seem as if that Germany was being these, like, super reasonable peace doves.
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to understand.
That's the part that... Is there any evidence for this?
Well, Hitler does... So he's hanging it all... Yeah, I think you're about to say it, Blake.
He's hanging it all on this statement or I guess a series of statements that Hitler makes at one
point, basically offering peace terms to the British, which of course, as we know, the British
and Churchill completely reject.
And it seems to be that his, his argument is that had, um, had Churchill taken the peace terms,
that the war would not have spread beyond what it was at that point,
which then obviously would have left it in its current state.
Well, and we're not even touching upon the fact of like the actual history of
the German-Soviet relations, which are totally neglected in this entire thing and not talked
about, which is that I...
I wrote a book about it.
Well, I'm not saying with us.
I'm saying this entire argument we're talking about Churchill is that the Nazis marched, they totally just like ripped up the entire agreement that Hitler had made with Stalin.
And they move forward, you know, took over, uh, you know, in, in this pursuit, and it was a really racist anti-Slavic pursuit, which is a really important part of this whole thing that you look at.
And so that's, you know, the joining of forces.
And so putting this, this narrative that like, that, you know, Hitler wasn't trying to like, Take more than, you know, what he claimed.
There was this whole argument over, it wasn't to the Soviet Union, there was this defining line between Germanic peoples and Slavic peoples, and there was this whole dispute over this in the midst of, you know, to say that, you know, the Germans weren't going to do that to anyone else is insane.
To the Anglos, to anyone else, it's insane.
Part of this is, why don't they just trust Hitler?
Hitler was offering them a peace deal.
Hitler had annexed Austria and then said, I'm not going to do anything more after this, just don't declare war on me.
And then Hitler annexes Czechoslovakia.
He gets the Munich Agreement where he takes half of Czechoslovakia.
And he says, after this, I'm done.
That's the last of what I'm going to do.
And then not even six months later, he annexes the whole country.
And then he comes up and he's like, OK, and now I'm going to take, you know, he takes the city off Lithuania.
And then finally he says, OK, now I'm going to go after Danzig.
And they finally quite reasonably say, no, you're just a lunatic who's like extremely aggressive and revisionist.
And then reasonably, I would say one of the reasons Churchill doesn't make peace is he says, yeah, well, Hitler's a lunatic, so he's going to keep invading countries.
I can't get past this point.
A year later he does!
He wants him to make peace in the midst of a war?
Well, yeah.
France is completely occupied.
We're just going to give that up?
I think that is the argument, yeah.
To these savage barbarians?
And the Eastern Front.
They're marching across all of the Slavic peoples, too.
I just, I must, I want to give this guy the benefit of the, Jack, what am I missing here?
I just, the lack of moral clarity.
Can we, can we just, well, no, you're not missing it, but, but, you know, you know, as the resident Polak, definitely have to point out that, you know, this was a situation where, yes, Hitler, and then two weeks later, Joseph Stalin invade Poland.
At the time, of course, Poland had this, Basically, they had a treaty, defense treaty, with the UK and France.
And so this is why the war is declared.
Which Hitler knew, by the way, that this agreement was in place.
And so it was triggered.
Basically, there's some writing to say that, you know, he thought that maybe the UK and France wouldn't actually declare war over Poland.
But of course, if they didn't, that would have basically meant that their word was worthless.
And so they weren't staying up to their agreements, which of course would diminish their strategic standing, etc, etc, etc.
But point being is he invaded Poland, half of Poland was destroyed by Hitler, the other half was destroyed by Stalin.
And all of this was still going on at the time of this What did he say?
Fall of 1940 or December 1940, Dunkirk?
So, at the time of Dunkirk, that's all still taking place.
And these are, by the way, areas of Poland to what Tyler is talking about.
This was not, you know, part of Germany.
These were not German villages or German settlements.
These were Polish-speaking people in Polish villages that have been polled since time immemorial.
This was not some of, like, No, not at all.
Not even a little bit.
And so it's ridiculous to say that the war was over because for the Polish people it certainly wasn't over.
For the Polish people it wasn't over until the 1990s.
And that was the Hitler belief, Liebensraum, which was the... Liebensraum.
Liebensraum, yeah, which was the idea that, and that was the excuse that was used to keep marching.
And they weren't going to stop.
I mean, every agreement they made, they ruined within weeks or months and ripped it up and just kept going.
So it's just, and ignoring that's insane.
Yeah, you go through the thread and I guess it's unfortunate because in the video this guy, Daryl Cooper, I think Tucker Scribeson was like one of the top historians in the U.S.
and I haven't seen the Jonestown thing, it might be very good, but like all the stuff on World War II is he literally let red, I'm not making this up, all the quotes he does in his Twitter thread are from that book Human Smoke, which is written by a left-wing pacifist erotica writer.
He has written masterworks such as House of Holes.
I did not make that title up.
It's a book by a pacifist who just hates Churchill.
As far as I can tell, he's just mad World War II happened.
What I'll say is, I've seen this book recommended by people on the right because they want to have this based, dissident take on World War II.
You know, sometimes the old-school boomer con take is correct, and I'm a boomer con on World War II.
I think Hitler was bad, and it was good for America and Britain to fight Hitler and beat Hitler.
And is it a valid take to say Stalin was just as bad?
Sure!
And I think America kind of knew that before the war, and we quickly reminded ourselves of it after the war, which is why we had the Cold War.
Well, and this is one of the important parts is having lived in Russia, the number one thing that every boomer Russian said to me immediately upon learning I was American was, thank you so much.
If it wasn't for the West, like we would all be speaking German.
If it wasn't for the West, I don't know if we would have a village.
If it wasn't for the West.
And so there's this also, you know, when we're talking about, You know, these ideas is like, you know, there is an argument to be made as well that World War Two, like things could have been a different world in which Hitler still remains in cahoots with Stalin.
And we live in a German, you know, Soviet world versus an American Soviet world.
And the eradication of Western ideals is greatly accelerated.
You can make the argument that we actually, in part, won the Cold War ultimately and the destruction of one of the largest superpowers ever in the 20th century because Western ideals were sewn throughout Soviet culture because of Winston Churchill demanding Stalin and FDR getting on the same page.
Because it wasn't FDR.
FDR did nothing.
We justifiably get mad when Libs rip down statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and say America is a racist country, America is a genocidal country, America was never great.
And then it's bizarre to me to see some of the people who get mad about this also turn
around and they're like, actually, you know, when you visit Normandy and these French people
are all super grateful that you helped liberate their country, like, shouldn't have done that.
That was that was bullcrap and a waste of time.
It was evil that we did that.
Churchill is the most evil person in World War Two for causing that to happen.
So great.
And you'll even see that like it's sometimes you'll see that you have you run into people
who think like abraham lincoln was a bad guy because he like suspended habeas
Oh, no.
I've run into them.
Radical libertarians say it all the time.
You know, radical idea?
I am glad America got rid of slavery.
I'm very pro-Lincoln, and I'm pro-Churchill.
The Claremont people, by the way, are very pro-Lincoln, pro-Churchill, because they believe that they embody the great man theory, which is that you have these times of climactic history that require prudence, judgment, and valor.
And sometimes the rules are kind of suspended, but the fruit is civilization.
Yeah.
And that's why Washington, Lincoln, and Churchill are revered in the Claremont.
Yeah.
And this is where, and Tyler, you and I were chatting about this earlier in the chat, and we get into this a ton in Unhumans, and actually I talked about it when I was on Tucker, regarding Stalin's role in World War II that's just constantly overlooked.
And the fact that, no, he was running schemes and machinations behind the scenes just as much as everyone else.
People seem to think that Stalin was just this like, oh, woe is me, this terrible Operation Barbarossa just randomly happened for no reason.
And no, no, he was just as complicit as Hitler, in many cases, in starting the war.
And it just on that instance is what I'm talking about.
And in the further conduct of it, there's, I mean, there's,
and there's so many different takes, you know, people do these sort of alternate histories
and they kind of do the whole like, well, and I remember during the Cold War, people would say,
well, what if we had just let Hitler and Stalin fight each other and hash it out, et cetera.
But, you know, at the same time, if you're, you know, if you're from that part of the world,
Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, guess what?
Every time Germany and Russia rumble, that's your hometown.
That's your village.
This is something like going back and visiting my family over there or my wife growing up in in that part of Belarus and being from there.
It's like these are all, you know, interesting, I guess, ideological questions for people.
Or, you know, it's kind of like a parlor game almost.
And that's honestly that's that's probably my biggest my biggest beef with how glib these people are
when they talk about it.
And it's like, do you understand these were people's homes, that these are people's villages,
that there were children that were involved in this thing, that there were just absolute horrors and atrocities
that went on where Americans, we are so blessed by the way.
And it gives you kind of an understanding of why our ancestors decided to come here,
because we are so blessed by these two massive oceans that we have on our sides.
And we should be blessed by two equally as strong borders to our North and South to keep us safe
from all of the crap that has gone on in the past.
And you look at the Ukraine war that's going on right now.
it continues to go on, the blood lands continue to go on, the blood feuds continue to happen,
and I'm not trying to, you know, people are going to say, oh he's making moral, I'm not making moral
equivalence, I'm just pointing out that it's very, it's very glib. I think the whole thing is, is,
is very glib to say, oh, oh, well, this guy should have done this,
or this guy should have done that.
And look, from my perspective, as a guy who comes from Polish descent, that certainly we need
to examine Stalin's role more as much in terms of getting the war started, without question.
So yeah, wanna play another piece of tape here, Blake?
Why don't we continue to navigate through this?
All right, yeah, sure.
Yeah, just let me scroll up and check the numbers we have.
How about we do 74?
I think part of it, like I read about Churchill and he strikes me as a psychopath.
Um, but he's also a sort of, I mean, he was a drunk.
He was very childish in strange ways.
People would talk about how as an adult, like at, you know, as prime minister, they'd find him in his room and he's like playing with action figures like war toys and army men and stuff and would get mad when people would, uh, would interrupt him, you know, when he was doing that.
So this is a strange, strange fellow, you know?
Okay, first of all, I'm gonna defend his honor on that one.
That sounds awesome.
Well, hold on.
This is so unfair.
I'm a big Churchill guy.
I don't know everything about him, okay?
Yes, he loved liquor.
It's an interesting argument whether he was a drunk or not.
There's like wildly different takes on this.
Dr. Arnn says he was not.
Just so we are clear, Dr. Arnn is the greatest living Churchill historian.
You know that he studied under Martin Gilbert, is that his name right?
Sir Martin Gilbert, who was like the Churchill guy for like a decade.
Go ahead.
And he says no, he was not a doctor.
So an interesting one was The Last Lion is the big popular Churchill biography, William Manchester.
And, William Manchester's version, he believed Churchill, like, was a drunk, but, like, held his liquor well so that he, you know, could function anyway.
And then he dies, and volume three of his biography is completed by a different guy.
And one of the funny things about it is, this second biographer reaches a totally different conclusion, and he says, the evidence is, Churchill always had alcohol with him, so this gave the perception that he was a drunk, but he just kind of said, Guy probably actually drank it pretty slowly, so like he was maybe perpetually buzzed, but not truly a drunk as we would understand.
But as long as we're into kind of the substance thing, Hitler was not exactly sober.
Hitler was on meth all the time!
He was like a tweaker!
I know, so as long as we're introducing substances of World War II characters, Also, Hitler was a vegetarian, which is vastly more messed up than playing with action figures.
Totally agree.
Synthetics.
I mean, who knows what was in that guy's system?
So, secondly, the action figure thing.
Okay?
I think that's kind of hilarious.
No, I just want to be clear.
After listening to this, again, I don't know the totality of Churchill's life.
It is true.
He lived paycheck to paycheck.
He was terrible at saving money.
He always, like, spent what he had.
But you know, he kind of grew up in affluence, he was born in Blenheim Palace, born into royalty, just kind of, he always figured money came to him, which was kind of true, but I just don't understand the objection.
Okay, he bombed the Black Forest.
Oh yeah, they complained about that at one point, just to explain to the people watching.
Can I interject on the alcoholism thing?
So, Babe Ruth.
You know, I just recently just got, like, really obsessed into Babe Ruth and, like, his personal... He was, like, a horrible dude.
Like, a horrible... Didn't do... He was the same thing.
Was not, you know, drank a lot, had a womanizing thing... So you're saying Babe Ruth is the real villain of World War II?
No, but it goes back to the Great Man Theory, which is there are heroes in society that are necessary, and there are some character flaws that... many character flaws that most will have.
But they do something, they move something in society that's really important.
So anyways, I just wanted to mention that.
But then I just don't understand.
These seem like very surface level critiques.
Like, oh, you know what?
He was a little drunk.
I know he saved Western civilization and kept common law together and defeated the megalomaniac of the 20th century.
But he liked vodka too much.
And figured out how to make Joseph Stalin the number two, arguably the number three guy in the world.
I say this as somebody who loves Churchill.
I've signed Churchill stuff in my office, but if there's a criticism about Churchill, I'll receive it.
I'm not an apologist.
But is this the best thing?
Of course he's deeply flawed.
wanted a strong argument against Churchill.
And like you can easily, yeah, you can easily criticize him.
What I think was true, what is true in the critiques, Churchill did love war.
Like he found war exciting, kind of like life-giving in a weird way.
You know, and that's actually an understandable thing.
I thought I had when the COVID lockdowns hit, I was still at Fox with Tucker's show then,
and I remember having the feeling, and I recognize it was kind of a dark feeling at the time,
but like when lockdowns hit, I had the sense, this is bad, yet I found it really exciting
in the sense that I was in the midst of like a great historical event.
And our show was at the heart of that.
So like we could shape how that historical event unfolded.
Yeah, it felt exciting.
In the same way, I bet, for some people, elections are a big... Invading Iraq feels exciting.
Yeah, exactly.
Or, to use an example that's gonna happen anyway, the election.
Like, you know, I'm really amped up about the election.
We actually have a chance to shape things.
Yeah, like, this is like, you know, it's super momentous, the fate of the world might hinge on this election, and, you know, we get to play our marginal role in that, and that feels kind of amazing.
It makes it exciting to get up.
And Churchill admitted about this, like, oh yeah, I'm in this big war, that's exciting.
And I think you could also say he was probably prone to excesses that come from when you
get into the midst of war.
So one of the things he complains about is like, after Churchill takes office as prime
minister, Britain had not rounded up that many Germans in the country.
There were 60,000 Germans in Britain, I think, and they'd arrested 500 of them.
And after they lose in France, he says, yeah, we might have a spy problem.
Arrest everyone.
And they arrest every single German in Britain.
And so they freak out about this.
And they sent them to, guess what, Charlie?
They sent them to concentration camps.
Now, they pick this word very deliberately because we use concentration camps to describe what the Nazis did.
But there's an important difference.
The reason the Nazi concentration camps are bad is not because they concentrated people in a spot.
It's because they shot people, gassed people, hanged people, like, worked people to death, tortured people, did bizarre medical experiments.
They did evil stuff at their camps.
That's why they're bad.
It's not that you're in a camp.
Like, any prison is a concentration camp.
So yeah, okay, they arrested everyone, and then within a year, 90% of them had been released because they realized they overdid it.
And did he arrest Oswald Mosley, a, like, fascist British guy, without a trial?
Yeah, he did.
Should he have done that?
Probably not.
But in the grand scheme of the biggest war in the history of the world, Against a total genocidal lunatic who has conquered all of these countries and plunged the world into the abyss, why are you choosing to get butthurt about this?
And that's kind of why we're talking about this at length.
Yeah, I think the biggest one, by the way, though...
Maybe you were going to mention it, but that people do bring up, and I think it's fair, by the way, to talk about afterwards.
So we had the discussion a couple of weeks ago, after another Tucker interview, when he brought up the question of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki targeting civilian population centers.
And I think we also pointed out during that episode, and I'll bring it up here again, that yes, there were strategic bombing campaigns, area bombings, that were conducted over French cities and villages, German cities and villages, many cases that they knew, they knew were going to target civilian population centers, and this was done by the Allies, by the Americans and the British, and then of course to Japan as well, and so they were specifically done to break the morale, to break the backs of the people who
are fighting, to break their support.
And so this has been something that the Royal Air Force and others have, people have brought up.
Again, I'm just looking at the list here, Hamburg, Dresden, Cologne, etc. That this is a huge thing.
You know, civilians dying in war is, is always a question that would come up later in the Vietnam War with the use of actual firebombing, by the way, the use of napalm.
And so, you know, there are certainly things you can debate, right?
There are certainly things that we can sort of look back.
But again, like, you have to do that within the, you have to put it in its context.
That's all I'm saying.
You have to put it in its context of What you're pointing out here, that this was the most massive war that was ever waged in world history.
And it also, maybe a final point on this, it emphasizes the importance of wars naturally bring people to excess, it radicalizes people, it makes people desperate, it makes people get extreme, it builds up all of these severe grievances against people.
Yeah, it's like the Syrian Civil War.
The Syrian Civil War starts with the moderate rebels, and by the end it's ISIS and all these lunatics cutting people's heads off.
That's what war does.
And so that is why you should not do wars, and we should try to avoid war.
And in World War II, there is a person who was the aggressor.
throughout every single phase of the war and it wasn't Churchill it was Hitler
and this has relevance to today so people like you know the Gaza war that's
going on is there stuff where like oh you know people get where you know
civilians died that's bad and it's to be avoided but I think when you're going to
look for ultimate blame you have to look at who took a situation that was
peaceful and said this isn't good enough I'm going to smash it to bits and start this giant war.
And that's why we can say Hamas are clearly the biggest bad guys in Gaza, because there was a peaceful situation and they blew it to bits.
Similarly, who's the biggest villain in World War II?
It's Hitler!
Because on August 31st, 1939, there wasn't a World War II.
And the next day, World War II happened.
And who chose to make that happen?
A bad guy named Adolf Hitler.
A very evil person.
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Charlie, can I ask you one quick question on the last topic?
I realize, have you been to the Churchill War Rooms?
Uh, in Britain?
In London, yeah.
No, I have not.
They're really cool.
If you're into Churchill, or just history in general, you've gotta go.
Charlie, have you ever worn a bowler hat?
Have I ever worn a bowler hat?
Because Churchill did.
You like Gladiator movies, Charlie?
I love Gladiator.
I love Glenn.
So we could either talk, it's obviously the NFL is starting tonight, or we could talk about the debate on Tuesday.
So let's just ask a question.
Are you guys excited for the NFL season or is it just like too woke for you to watch?
I feel like I've, so I started off when I was a kid, I was a fanatical fan of the NFL and like I would cry when the Packers lost.
What year?
Oh, 2007, I think, was the one that really weighed on me.
That was when Brett Favre was still there.
Yeah, it was Brett Favre, and then he loses the last game on a pick, and I was all super sad about it.
He threw as many touchdowns as Interceptors.
Yeah, yeah.
I lived and died by this, and then when the Anthem protests started happening with Kaepernick around 2016... I disengaged.
I also did the same.
I thought, this is dumb.
I'm gonna prove that I'm not, like, ruled by cockball or whatever they started calling it then.
And so I actually had a whole year I didn't really watch it.
Me too.
And it helped, of course, the Packers were bad.
And now I think I'm in a healthy spot of football is a fun thing that I can watch, but it's sort of lame to care about it too much.
Brett Favre actually visited South Dakota in 2019.
I'm trying to get him on the show.
That'd be great.
But I saw, when I went there, just to finish the story, I went there and there were all these men who were like substantially older than me and they were still, it's Vikings fans here, so they were still really upset about that Vikings Saints game where Sean Payton had... That was terrible.
That was dirty, but...
That was the NFC Championship game, I think, right?
They were really angry about it.
Like, he does a Q&A, and these guys who are 45, 50 years old are livid.
And Farv himself, he's like, you know, I know Coach Payton.
I don't think he meant, you know, to hurt... I think he's a friend of mine.
I don't think he meant to hurt me, like, that bad.
And, you know, it's totally under the bridge.
And they're like, these guys are just seething over this, and just...
A sport where men throw a ball and are played millions of dollars to do it should not make you that angry.
But the Vikings never won a Super Bowl.
And they never will.
You think so?
Never.
Childhood me believe that, like, God in his heavens has decreed the Vikings will never win a Super Bowl.
And I still believe that.
15% of Blake takes are hilariously wrong when he's like, yeah, 2024 is going to be a boring year.
Trump gets shot.
Biden replaced.
We're not even done yet.
Yeah.
And Vikings will never win a Super Bowl is one of the 85% that are 100% correct.
If I'm not mistaken, the Cardinals never won a Super Bowl, right, Tyler?
Depends on not not not not not transfer. I'm in Arizona.
That's a bunch of yeah in Arizona. Okay?
No, you can't inherit the Super Bowl from Chicago. Well, it was yeah, I mean, yeah Chicago and the US st
Louis it was it was a super it was like they had a they have a BS title
They basically stole from the pot. It was the world champion. It was 1925
They didn't even have a title game in the Super Bowl best record and they didn't play the same number of games and
All these all that is the Super Bowl air they stole it from the Packers won the first one
The Packers won the first Super Bowl. You know my wife Erica is from the Lombardi family.
Is that right?
Seriously?
Yeah.
That's royal blood.
Her mom's a Lombardi.
That's crazy.
Isn't that insane?
That's royal blood.
Like, how close?
Like, is she... Like, direct bloodline.
Like, lineal descent from Vince?
Yeah.
Wow, that's crazy.
Yeah, we have all this Packers stuff at our house.
I didn't know that.
Whoa.
That's interesting.
Isn't that great?
That is wild.
And I'm from a huge Bears family, so I don't know.
Whoa.
Well, you know, the Bears have won a Super Bowl, but... 1985, best team ever assembled.
Yep, and they've... Prove me wrong.
Best NFL football team ever assembled.
You know, that might be true.
Yeah.
Thank you.
It might be true, and they didn't win another one.
They lost one game.
You know why they never won another one?
Jim McMahon?
Yeah, because Jim McMahon got body-slammed by a Psycho Packer.
Probably.
You know, that was disgraceful.
Even Jack agrees.
Jack agrees.
It was the greatest NFL team ever assembled.
85 Bears.
I actually have, in my 8th grade yearbook, I actually have a reference to the 85 Bears from, of course, my favorite Saturday Night Live sketch of all time.
Da Bears!
Yes, and the Bears, just to give you an idea of how crazy good the 85 Bears were, we have not won a Super Bowl in 40 years, and it's still the only thing that middle-aged, mildly overweight men in Chicago still talk about is the 85 Bears.
They're like, you'll remember when?
Go Bears!
Go Bears!
So, a coach with a certain name that starts with a D, ends with an A, and has Icky in the middle.
Yeah, I've got actually the Mike Dick sweater vest.
Oh, isn't that the best?
I have it in my closet.
So, the teams that I never won a Super Bowl, Arizona Cardinals, Falcons.
By the way, the Falcons ties into our previous topic.
Can you talk about that?
What if the Patriots just would have surrendered at halftime?
He's just like, why doesn't Churchill give up?
Churchill didn't have a way to win.
I can imagine the Falcons ceding.
You're just like, why didn't Bill Belichick... It was 28-3.
It was 28-3.
That still was the greatest comeback ever.
No one's ever come back that amount.
You're supposed to not... You have to make... They were offering them to shut it down.
Alright, so I have a good question for the group.
Let me list this, okay?
Cardinals, Falcons, Bills, Panthers, Bengals, Browns, Lions, Texans, Jaguars, Chargers, Vikings, Titans.
Of that list, who will be the first one to win a Super Bowl?
They've never won a Super Bowl before.
Bengals.
They lost a couple years ago.
They have Joe Burrow.
In the current structure, in the current composition of the teams, probably the Bengals are the best chance.
I haven't looked at the... I think the Lions.
I'm going to say Lions.
I think Coach Dan... That's his name, right?
He always looks like he's ready to fight somebody.
That guy, he seems to like... They're true believers in him.
He seems like a good coach.
I think the Lions could win it all this year.
They have such momentum that I think they're ready to break the curse.
Their offensive coordinator was offered a head coaching job and he said... So Lions and then Bengals right after the Lions.
So Lions is plus 1,200.
Chiefs is number one, aren't they?
Well, I'm talking about the teams you just listed.
Lions, Bengals, Bills.
Bills are losing their edge, man.
They had so many chances.
Josh Allen is too far of Esk, I think, for modern NFL.
And the Texans?
Are the Texans on that list?
Yeah, they never won.
Yeah, the Texans used to be the Oilers.
The Oilers are now the Tennessee Titans.
The other team, along with the Vikings, that will never win is the Cleveland Browns.
They have one.
No, they have one.
You're right.
They've never even been to one.
But this is the order right now.
I don't think Vikings have ever been to one.
No, they've been to four.
Vikings have been to four and lost every single one.
No, it's not as bad as the Bills who lost five in a row.
Four in a row.
Four in a row.
Can you imagine?
It's Chiefs, 49ers, Ravens, Eagles, Lions, Bengals, Bills, Texans, Packers.
And you know what's great about being a Packer fan, by the way?
We're like the only team that's not subject to this extremely terrible NFL policy that they're gonna let private equity buy stakes in teams.
Are you an owner?
Uh, no.
I'm not dumb enough.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, one of our staff member owns.
Yeah, but, okay.
Don't insult this model.
Look, it is cool that the Packers are publicly owned, but owning a piece of Packers stock, if you are not one of the OG people from the 60s, is a scam.
No, it's not!
You get tickets!
You don't get tickets?
You get into the lottery for tickets.
I think you have to.
You can get into the lottery for tickets just without being an owner.
Yeah, if you want to pay like three times markup.
And in any case, the waiting list is now so long that if you register your child, maybe their child will be able to get it after they die.
I think it's amazing.
That's so cool.
That this like very small, moderate, like boring Midwestern town has this powerhouse NFL team.
The only right you get from buying Packer Stock, the only right you get is you get to go to the shareholder meeting, which is in Lambeau Field.
It's amazing!
And they all vote!
Okay, that's cool.
It's cool!
But you don't have real voting power.
Actual controlling voting power is with the people from the 50s and 60s.
Yeah, but it's politics.
It's democracy.
You know they used to play Milwaukee?
Yeah, yeah.
Milwaukee game.
And they have green and yellow days?
Yeah, yeah.
Do you know that they have green and yellow days where the green is all the rurals and the yellows are, I might get mixed up, but like all the ticket holders in Milwaukee have yellow holding days and green ones.
And so when it's like Milwaukee, it's all a bunch of libs that go up and then it's green.
It's like all Trump country.
Since you're a Bears fan, you might not know this.
Did you know that teams are allowed to like be good for more than one season in their history?
For the record, we were in a Super Bowl against the Indianapolis Colts in 2008, I think.
2006 season, so I think 7 would be the year it happened.
No, I think the Super Bowl would have been 2000.
Can you guys check me?
It's the 2006 season for sure.
2007 is when the Patriots go 18-1.
I would put money on this.
I will put money on this.
It's not 7.
February 2008.
I'm going to put money on it.
2007, $100.
That was the Cardinals.
it was it was it if you were a star dollar that we're at it doesn't it
of now that the money i was in seven hundred dollars as i was
two dozen other cardinals and steelers check it out
2008?
That was 2008 season, 2009 Super Bowl.
No, no, no.
It's the Super Bowl happened in February 2008.
Check it.
Oh.
Check it.
Super Bowl... 2008.
Blake's gonna owe me $100.
I just looked at this.
I'm pretty sure.
Sunday, 2008.
It was... On February 4th, 2007, the Indianapolis Colts defeated the Chicago Bears 29-7.
Are you sure it was 2007?
2008 was in Arizona.
Super Bowl 41.
Look it up.
2008 was Arizona.
That was the crazy game.
Patriots and Giants.
I'm pretty sure it was 2008.
No, that was the Patriots and Giants crazy game.
That was the perfect Patriots year, I think, right?
Sadly, I have encyclopedic knowledge of this period of NFL history.
No, that's all fake.
It's all been rewritten.
It's an alternate timeline.
It was 07.
That's going to ruin my whole day.
I can't interview JD.
I'm done.
Everything's ruined.
Man, J.D.
Vance must be a Bengals fan.
That has to be hard.
What NFL team do you hate the most?
Oh, Vikings easily.
Dallas Cowboys.
Oh yeah, you know what?
Cowboys are so easy to hate.
It's not even close.
Why is every Cowboys fan like a 5'6 Mexican with long jean shorts?
No, that's not true.
The interesting thing with the Cowboys is they are very national-like.
Well, there's an explanation, actually, reasonably for this.
It's the same thing with the Dodgers.
They're like the America's team, right?
I've heard Mexico likes the Steelers a lot.
No, because there was, for a long time in American history, there was a massive gap between, basically, Texas and California.
The Cowboys gobbled up basically all of Western United States until California.
Because there were no football teams, even in California, that were long-standing and well-respected.
So all of Western United States, basically the Cowboys were your team.
Before those other teams came into existence.
That makes sense.
Also, they had such a run in the 90s that it just became America's team.
But before that, my dad's a Cowboys fan.
What?
Everybody that lived in Arizona was a Cowboys fan by default.
Austin's entire family.
Everybody that lived in Arizona was a Cowboys fan by default.
So the Titans, the Vikings, you hate the Vikings?
The Vikings are just sort of...
So you hate the Vikings more than the Bears?
Yeah, so the thing is, the Vikings are more consistently competitive than the Bears, and they're also just kind of a fun butt monkey to make fun of because their history- like, you can make, and in fact they did make, like an eight-part documentary series on the Vikings' many failures.
The Bears is just like, oh, here's their 87th quarterback of the last three seasons.
Kyle Orton.
Jay Cutler.
And they're like, oh, Jay Cutler just managed to throw the ball for 3,200 yards and 12 touchdowns, thereby cementing the greatest offensive season by any Bears quarterback in history.
Do you think, so of this list, Lions, I agree.
The bills are losing it.
The Falcons, man, that's such a sad story, isn't it?
Well, it depends on your point of view.
Like, the Falcons—so, remember— I mean, I don't hate the Falcons.
You hate the Falcons.
I don't hate the Falcons, but I will be appreciative that in the 2017 Super Bowl—this is right
after the 2016 election—the media basically decided that the Falcons were the Lib America
team because they represented Atlanta.
Yes.
They were like, you know, the blue city in a red state.
That's why I was cheering for the Patriots.
And they kind of made it a race thing.
It was very weird.
And then the Patriots were the white team.
It was very bizarre.
Even though they're from Massachusetts.
Yeah, so they're from this blue state.
But on the other hand, Belichick wrote a letter endorsing Trump.
That was private.
And then I just love this story that the Trump campaign asks him, can we release this?
And he's like, oh, you want to release it?
Here, let me rewrite the letter to be more effusively positive.
Like, I didn't want to suck up too much in private, but I'm going to suck up to the max in public.
That's so funny.
It's such a great story.
I was there when Trump first read the letter at the New Hampshire rally the day before the election.
I was traveling with Trump that night.
We almost won!
And he just got on Instagram.
I'll never forget that.
That was amazing.
The moment I realized it could happen, there were two things that will always stick out with me.
My friend who was doing poll watching in New Hampshire just tells me,
Blake, we're getting these random hunters from rural New Hampshire who haven't voted in 12 years,
and they're coming out, and a lot of them are coming out.
I remember that.
And then I also remember seeing Ross Douthat tweeting.
This was like at the exact moment her odds peaked on the New York Times dial for Hillary.
And he's just like, you know, I'm looking at the map guys and I just don't... Florida doesn't seem that bad.
Like it seems like the rural numbers are really good.
And that's the exact moment it just starts swerving the other way.
Always remember it.
So you can find my tweet.
I owe Blake $100, which I will pay.
And then I will give somebody $25 if they can find my tweet from 2016 of my day before election tweet that I predict my prediction.
If you could find it.
No one ever gives me credit for this.
I predicted the day before the election.
Do you remember this?
And I got so much hate the day before.
Because I was traveling with the campaign and I was like, I think Trump's gonna win.
I think he's gonna win Michigan.
And people came after me.
And I put it, by the way, in writing.
Published the tweet.
I've got it.
November 7th, 2016.
Final prediction.
I owed Blake $125.
This is great.
This is one of my better days.
Yeah, that's really impressive.
Final prediction, Michigan going red.
Bold, but it could happen.
You heard it here first.
And then, you know what you also did?
You predicted that Wisconsin and Pennsylvania would be blue.
Go blue.
I know.
You didn't believe enough, Charlie.
I didn't get the whole map right, but I did call Michigan.
You're a traitor.
You abandoned Trump.
I called Michigan, though.
That's pretty legit, though.
Yeah, I think I called Michigan, too.
I think my final map, we had a contest at the Daily Caller, and I got very close to the actual electoral vote total, but I was off in the states.
I gave him Michigan.
I think I did Michigan, New Hampshire, Nevada.
So my map is almost the same as yours, but I had Nevada, too.
I've got to get Blake on an autopay of Venmo at this point.
So NFL season, who do you guys think is going to win the Super Bowl?
I'm going to be cheering for and pulling for the Lions.
I agree.
I think Lions are great.
You've given up on the Bears already?
Look, it's fruitless at this point.
I mean, we're going to be disappointed.
Caleb Williams is going to tear his ACL in the third week.
Is disappointed the word you want to go for here?
Was there hope?
Not really.
Have you had hope since Brian Urlacher retired?
I like him, actually.
He's such a sweet guy.
He's super conservative.
He lives in Arizona, by the way.
He's really right-wing.
I'm hoping that the Bears actually have a surprise season.
Football is better when the Bears are good.
Because, first of all, they're one of the most loved franchises, and you have one of America's biggest cities just on fire.
We've just been this dormant football beast for the last 20 years.
You want that!
I mean, enough of this.
By the way, Kansas City, OK, there's only so much population base there.
It's the same 100,000 people that go to the games.
OK, great, fine, terrific.
The teams I want to see suffer, Dallas Cowboys cannot stand them.
Don't sleep on the Dolphins, by the way.
I think the Dolphins are going to be really good.
Dolphins put up 70 on a team last year.
That was amazing.
Tua Tagovaiola is the real deal.
I'm telling you, that guy can ball.
I could not have pronounced that name.
I'm telling you, C.J.
Stroud, the Houston Texans, if he stays healthy, will be one of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history.
Texans are going to be good.
I'm really pulling that the Cardinals figure it out this year.
I think.
No, they got to get rid of Kyler Murray.
I think we're going to see.
We're going to see.
We're going to see.
Marvin Harrison Jr.
could be special.
He's legit.
They should sign him for a 20 year contract.
Could be special.
He's really good.
It was a good.
It was a good.
Kyler Murray's the most overpaid, overrated person.
We also have some good other guys.
Our tight end, Trey McBride, I think is going to be really good.
So we'll see.
I'm pulling for the Cardinals.
Oh, and I'm pulling for the Broncos to go 500.
Bo Nix.
Yep.
Bo Nix.
Think of the other teams I hate.
Oh, I want the New York Jets to do well?
I have more teams I'm cheering for than I'm at.
Jack is saying we should each do a quick map prediction of the election if we want.
No, we're not doing that.
Jack, you've been quiet for some time.
How are the Eagles doing?
Well, so the Eagles lately, the biggest thing this week was this whole thing with the Kamala Harris ad, like the fake, they claimed was a fake ad that went up.
I don't know if we have the image saying that Kamala Harris is the official candidate of the Philadelphia Eagles.
And this was going up at at least one bus station in, right in like center city Philadelphia.
And it had the website on it.
I think it was like philadelphiaeagles.com slash vote.
And I had a picture, sort of like animated picture of Kamala Harris in an Eagles jersey, in an Eagles helmet.
And the Eagles put out the statement saying, oh, well, you know, it's, it's, it's not her, it's not going to be her, etc.
This is not approved.
But then there was a guy who, and we got it, what was his name, the mole, he was Christian Molar, who said in the comments, because so this other guy who is a Trump supporter from Philly, went over and started like plastering over the Eagle over this, this Quote-unquote fake ad and then Christian Molar a Twitter user and You know shout out to Laura Loomer for catching this by the way that said in the comments How dare this guy cover up an official ad or cover up an ad like this?
And if you don't like it, that's too bad and people are like wait who's this guy saying it's a real ad and it turns out that he was the the director of team relationships for the Eagles and actually worked at the Eagles for like a 25 years. So as someone who would be very well within the
know of actually knowing whether or not this was a real ad. So he's subsequently locked his
Twitter account and it's become this sort of like whole firestorm as to whether or not this
guy had potentially actually approved whatever this thing is to go up. I have no sympathy for the
Eagles and I hope they lose every game and that they sell their franchise for parts. You want to
bring back the Steagals?
Do you know about this story?
I don't know.
I think the Eagles might be one of my most hated franchises.
No offense, Jack.
In World War II, due to budget shortages, the Eagles and the Steelers temporarily merged into one team that they called the Steagals.
It was an all-Pennsylvania team, yeah.
I think it's more the fans than it is the actual...
No, I know.
The fans are so aggressive.
But this Kamala thing this week, I want to get answers.
I need answers from Jack.
Jack should not... Again, by the way, if people want an understanding of who Pasovic is, just understand that I grew up as a Philadelphia sports fan.
So that should just be your explanation.
Jack, I need answers on this Kamala ad.
Why is he so aggressive?
I need answers on this Kamala ad, who produced it, how it got out there.
This is going to go down like the pipe bombs in Washington, D.C.
The RNC pipe bomber.
So we're tracking down.
I've already got I've already got people that are looking into this guy's family because it turns out that this Christian Molnar guy is also from Norristown, Pennsylvania, which is the exact same town that I'm from just outside Philly.
So we're tracking him down.
Christian Molnar, stay tuned.
You don't know who's going to be reaching out on Facebook.
Could be one of Posto's people.
Uh oh.
John Fetterman was right all along.
Play cut 80.
Every time I hear the Eagles, I think of them.
I don't get how they couldn't just make him like, that's clearly the smartest Eagles fan in human history.
So they should have made him like the head coach or something.
No, he should be the official candidate of the Philadelphia Eagles.
It should be Fetterman, official candidate of the Philadelphia Eagles.
He's not even from, like, the Eagles part of Pennsylvania.
That's what's so disingenuous.
He's from decidedly sealers territory.
So help me just really quick as we wrap up here.
Blake, I think the NFL is kind of getting its mojo back.
It's a thing now that has a lot of dominance.
It has more chatter.
Would you agree?
It really took a nosedive in 2020 and people thought, like, oh, football's going down.
It feels bigger than ever.
It really is.
The NFL is like It's like state-run religion at this point.
Football is just the perfect sport.
It really is.
So it's like unkillable.
But am I right?
It's like bigger than ever.
The only way they can screw it up, frankly, is I think if they just get too greedy.
Like, they keep wanting to add more games on more days.
Or Brazil.
Or like, what are you doing?
I don't mind the Brazil thing.
You know, you do one game here.
Like, have every team do one game overseas while you've got this 17-game season.
So then everyone's 8-8 and then one international game.
I think that's fine.
But I think where they're really kind of taking risks are, you'll see a few things.
One, they'll try to put games on too many days.
And kind of one of the things the NFL has is they've just basically made Sunday, like, you know... There's only two days without games.
Tuesday and Wednesday are the only days without games.
Yeah, well, yeah, now.
And it's making it worse and worse.
We have a Friday game now?
Like, it should just be... We have a Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
You go to church, you go watch football, or you just watch football, you know, depending on your point of view.
And then there's a Monday night game if you're an obsessive.
And they, them colonizing that one day a week actually is like the perfect level of dominance without it drowning everything out.
And the other thing is the NFL is the last thing that's on normal television.
And where I could see them screwing up the Golden Goose is they let a bunch of games go on Peacock, or Amazon Prime or Netflix or something stupid like that.
And suddenly, too many NFL games are on some bullcrap subscription service that you have
to buy rather than just on normal TV.
And I think that's how you ruin it.
You make the NFL too exclusive.
The tickets are already really expensive.
Like, you never really go to an NFL game anymore unless you just love setting tickets on fire.
Or setting money on fire.
And I think that is the long-term hazard.
But the actual sport is so good.
They got through the political, harrowing period.
You can actually have a right-wing player again, and it's not the end of the flipping world.
They survived all of that.
They have pretty likable stars.
I feel like players even get arrested a bit less than they used to.
Progress!
And also, college football is screwing it up.
Sorry, Charlie.
I've got bad news.
College football is dumb now.
No, it's not.
College football is better than ever.
I just don't get the whole, like, oh, the great amateur sportsmanship when every single player is this mercenary for hire on a one-year contract for whatever booster will pay them the most.
It was an inevitable thing.
There's no other way to do college football in the modern social media era and with the Supreme Court decision.
We should just- Blame the Supreme Court, Blake.
Blame the Supreme Court.
I just- With name image likenesses, there's no other way to do it.
I'm gonna make people really mad.
I just- I think college football has outlived its usefulness.
It's now- Now it mainly exists to be like, we can't fix our schools because then it would screw up the heckin' football team, man.
That's been that way for 20 years.
But it's worse-er now.
Much worse-er.
Is that a word, worse-er?
It is now.
I was gonna say, the Dartmouth grad is using good grammar.
It's probably a word, though.
We have to go.
Thank you, guys.
So, final Super Bowl picks.
I think the Bears will not win.
I want the Lions to win.
Blake?
I'm gonna go total Homer.
Jordan Love's gonna pull it all together.
He's overrated.
We'll get our one Super Bowl win that we get with each of our Hall of Fame quarterbacks, and then he'll be the quarterback for the next 18 years, and then he'll go play on the Jets for a year, and then the Vikings.
Tyler.
Oh man, I would love to see a Lions-Jets Super Bowl.
Man, if we could live through something like that.
The Jets are not that good though.
I understand, but just like some miraculous thing happens.
Is Aaron Rodgers going to play on Monday?
Yeah!
Are you sure?
That's what I'm told.
He'll play on Monday, and they're playing the Niners.
I don't think that's been confirmed yet.
They're playing the Niners, and the guy who injured him in the first game last year is now on the Niners.
How funny would that be?
Are you kidding me?
I believe it's the Niners they're playing.
But whoever it is, the player who injured him is on the opposing team again.
A Lions Jet Super Bowl would be great for America.
Did he play in any preseason games?
No, but he didn't play in preseason in Green Bay either.
Rodgers doesn't like playing.
Yes, he does.
He's such a baller.
I want to meet that guy.
I want to be like, Darren Broad is on my list of someone I want to be friends with.
Even though I hear he's a really bad person.
If he just comes, all you have to do is when he shows up, you say, you know, you're shorter than I expected.
And he gets like really butthurt about this if you say that.
Is he shorter?
Is he not that tall?
He's actually pretty, he's like 6'3 or something, but people kind of sometimes expect these NFL players to just be gigantic.
And, you know, he's not like a super, he's not a linebacker.
Well, the internet says he's 6'2.
I understand.
By the way, did they fix my height yet on Wikipedia?
What is it?
They did!
That's amazing.
Our PR campaign worked.
Isn't that hilarious?
We ridiculed them.
That is so funny.
What did they say you were?
They said I was 6'1", and now they say I'm 6'5".
That is so funny.
Alright.
We're all very happy for you.
Jack, you want the Eagles to win?
Birds!
Birds all the way, Green Gang.
But of course, I do also have to say, let's get back to our scenario time, folks.
Bears versus the assembled choir of heavenly angels.
The whole choir?
Yeah, you know, the styrofoam, the jarfoam, the whole nine yards.
Angels.
Angels, but it's close.
And then they cut to Chris Farley, and he's got that giant stein of beer, and he's just like, Bears!
Da Bears.
We'll see what Kayla Williams is made of.
Not Super Bowl.
In the next decade, Bo Nix will win a Super Bowl.
God bless, guys.
See you soon.
Enjoy the NFL.
America's better when sports are on TV.
Talk to you soon.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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