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Aug. 29, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Collapse of Kamalamentum?
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Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Citizen Kane joins us for a state of the race, a little temperature check, then also Mike and Schellenberger about a bombshell story, bombshell story, out of the Central Intelligence Agency and the FBI.
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Joining us now is the legendary Citizen Kane from CitizenFreePress.com.
It's been too long.
Mr. Kane, welcome back to the program.
Glad to be here.
I'm ready to do battle.
What, 70 days and a wake-up?
Right on the horizon here, Mr. Cain, I'm looking at our calendar.
It is officially 68 days until Judgment Day.
We are 8 days from North Carolina starting to vote.
Let me say that again.
In 8 days, North Carolina starts voting.
In 18 days, Pennsylvania starts voting.
In 26 days, Wisconsin starts voting.
And in 39 days, Arizona starts voting.
Cain, we are in the season right now.
Yeah.
And in 13 days, we have the first debate finally agreed to on ABC, September 10th.
And so hopefully that, you know, it's funny, you mentioned North Carolina.
That's a state we didn't even think we were going to have to really worry about.
I mean, it was still sort of within the margin of error, um, a month ago, six weeks ago.
And polls, you know, polls have shown some different things, but I've been reading a lot.
I'm sure you have too, from Rich Barras.
The People's Fund and his analysis of a lot of these polls.
And I'm still feeling confident, Charlie.
I feel that we have a different level of ground game.
We have a different sort of approach to ballot harvesting.
I feel like in Pennsylvania, we're registering truck drivers.
In Pennsylvania, we're registering out-of-state fraternity brothers at, you know, the 20 or 25 large colleges and universities.
I feel like we've made substantial changes since 2020 when we had great turnout, fantastic turnout, 75 million record turnout, in fact, and I feel a number is coming higher than 80 million.
You know, we talked about 100 million votes for Trump.
That's sort of our, has been our rallying cry, but I feel like we're going to have another bump up just like we did in 2020.
What are you feeling in the last four or five days?
Well, I definitely have seen the data start to normalize and stabilize.
So even the Hill-Emerson poll, which is a left-leaning poll, came out this morning, had Trump up three in Arizona, had Trump up one in North Carolina, up one in Wisconsin, and tied in Pennsylvania with leaners to Trump.
With that map, Cain, even if he falls short in Nevada, Georgia, and Michigan, he is the 47th President of the United States.
If you win Pennsylvania, you win Arizona, Wisconsin.
Now that's a goofy map, but Kamala Harris and her campaign, they absolutely see a path in Georgia.
We have work to do.
The Kemp Feud did not buy us any time.
Thankfully that is healed, right?
The Kemp-Trump feud is healed, and I'm glad to see that.
We don't have time for that right now.
We're too late.
Again, I'm not a Kemp fan, but we're too late in the cycle for that kind of stuff.
Absolutely.
So Georgia, that's why Kamala Harris is doing this two-day bus tour.
She also has her CNN interview tonight with them in Georgia.
But even with that, so Arizona up three.
That's a nice sampling size.
We'll take it.
Not sure if that's accurate, but North Carolina up one.
Everyone I talk to feels very, very good about North Carolina.
Wisconsin, Trump up one.
Now, I'm going to play this cut.
It's cut 106.
It's Mark Halperin, who basically foreshadowed this Emerson poll and is saying, hey guys, just so you know, there's both private and public polling that is coming that is not going to be great for Kamala Harris, and you might see her path start to shrink.
This would explain why Kamala Harris is doing a bus tour in Georgia.
This would explain it.
Because it means that she's trying to open the map while she still has time.
And she's picking the one sunbelt state that is the best for her.
And she's right.
Georgia, by far, would be the best for her.
It's the blackest.
It's the most college-educated.
Arizona is just much a tougher lift for her than that.
So she's looking for one sunbelt state where she could throw a little bit of uncertainty in.
Let's play Cut 106.
There's some public polling already.
There's more coming.
And there's some private polling that suggests that nationally in the battleground states, She's not ahead.
She might be ahead on paper, but well within the margin of error.
And there's some battleground states now where I think Donald Trump's, on this trajectory, is going to be ahead.
And it may be, regardless of what happens in the interview and regardless what happens in the debate, it may be that by the middle of September, when things have calmed down, when the Trump campaign have had time to prey on some of the weaknesses that I suggested, that he's ahead in all the Sun Belt states.
and ahead in Pennsylvania, and competitive in Michigan and Wisconsin, which would be roughly
where Joe Biden was before the debate, with a single path to 270 electoral votes, the three
Great Lakes states and Nebraska too. And that would be a scary position for the Democratic
Party to be in from mid-September through Election Day.
Kane, your reaction?
Yeah, I hadn't seen that Halbron clip.
Before I give my reaction, I got a question, Charlie.
So you said Trump, Arizona, plus three in the Emerson poll.
Do you remember where Trump was polling in 2020 in Arizona?
Yeah, he was down consistently two or three points at this period of time.
Consistently.
Okay.
So that fits the pattern, right?
So that's that plus five pattern that we've seen in both 2016 and 2020.
Where Trump outperforms the polls because MAGA voters, Republican voters in general, tend to avoid polls.
All of these reasons.
So that fits the pattern.
So, so I'm confident with, with that, with that Arizona plus three number.
I mean, look, I was confident in 2020 going in down minus three.
I was confident all the way up.
I knew, you know, after having seen what happened in 2016 and the shy Trump voter effect, I was confident.
So I don't mind these numbers, Charlie.
And you've seen it in the stack a couple of times with my headlines.
You know, I want us to stop feeling sorry for ourselves.
And it's happened.
You know, that has ended.
And I'm glad the president and others in his camp are no longer doing that.
I don't care that we quote unquote got a wrong deal.
And he already beat Biden.
And now he's got to beat a second candidate.
We don't care.
Look, the Democrat record is one that they can't run on.
We're ready to do battle.
I look at that as a challenge.
I say we face it.
And also, let's stay positive and stay realistic and listen to what guys like Halprin are saying and remember this sort of polling deficit.
I've got to interrupt here, Kane.
Rush used to talk about it.
There is a propaganda campaign done by the media networks to deflate our base.
Do you agree?
A hundred percent.
Of course.
Of course.
And it's happening!
And so we must resist that, right?
We must resist the propaganda campaign, the psychological warfare that's trying to deflate us.
Yes.
And here's the thing, you know, some people, you haven't seen it, but I get it in my comments, people have gotten on me.
Cain, Cain, why are you posting these MSN polls?
Why are you posting polls showing Kamala with leads?
Well, if you want to know the reason why, first, for the first two weeks, it was to wake people up.
That was the sole purpose.
I wanted the people to know that there was a battle ahead.
That this wasn't Joe Biden.
That it was a new battle we're gonna have to fight.
So I wanted to slap some people in the face with a little polling reality.
It doesn't mean that I don't understand that this is a propaganda effort done through how they sample these polls, who they choose to poll.
So I understand.
But at the same time, we needed to be woken up after sort of, you know, look, after Trump's RNC And where Biden was polling and before he was replaced, we were looking at winning all seven swing states plus five others.
I mean, we were looking at potential 350 electoral votes.
So I think we needed to be woken up.
and perhaps I know I personally forgot about the Obama media effect. I forgot
about the hope and change love and I forgot what the media could do if they
were excited about a Democrat candidate. So that so I underestimated the bounce
that Kamala would get. I'll admit that straight up but once it's there I
wanted to wake people up let them know it's there and let's fight let's fight
now it's 68 days. It's eight days since North Carolina votes.
There is no more time.
Every day is an eternity.
And again, they're going to have sentencing.
They might try to do monkey pox, bird flu, lobster flu, swine flu, salt and pepper flu.
I don't know what they're going to try to do, OK?
They're going to throw the whole thing at us.
But Nate Silver, I just want to repeat this.
Nate Silver, who's no longer with FiveThirtyEight, even though he has the Twitter handle, On August 14th, he gave Trump a 42% chance of winning.
Now, he has Trump as the favorite at a 52.4% chance of winning, which is consistent with all the data that we've seen.
With all the data that we've seen, Cain, that there seems to be a big slowing down.
Here's the analogy I give, is that they've been having an all-night rave at the Democrat Party, and the drugs are wearing off, and morning is here, and they have a heck of a hangover, and people are realizing they made a bad mistake.
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Again, this is by no means we're going to win, but I do feel the data breaking.
What did I say earlier?
I felt it in the air.
I woke up and said, I just feel it.
I feel it happening.
And we were right.
The data is starting to break.
It's starting to normalize.
It's getting, again, the rave party is ending.
According to Nate Silver, he has Donald Trump at 52.4% chance, Kamala Harris at 47.3%.
August 14th, two weeks ago, about 56% chance for Kamala, 42% chance for Trump.
Cain, we have a debate coming up in 13 days, as you mentioned.
What are your concerns?
What are your, let's just say, pitfalls that you think Donald Trump should be ready to navigate?
And who has more to lose here?
Well, she, you know, according to regime media, she's in the lead everywhere.
So she obviously has more to lose.
I actually don't, I don't see any pitfalls.
I'm not worried about that debate.
Trump always rises and he does better.
The tougher the competition, it fires him up.
You can see it in his face.
I've seen it.
I've watched every debate very closely.
So I'm actually not worried.
I think that who, you know, who has been more afraid since this debate talk has been, has been thrown around for the last three weeks or a month.
I think it's been the Kamala campaign.
I think they're the ones.
We're kind of ducking and weaving and not agreeing and, and, uh, you know, so I'm, I'm actually not, not that worried about it.
You mentioned Halperin, you know, a couple of things, Halperin and Nate Silver.
I'm going to grab that tweet.
I love when I come on your show and I've got four things written down that are going to go into the stack because you've told me about them.
The Nate Silver stuff, the Halperin video.
Are both gonna be in there, as well as the Emerson poll.
Here's something we haven't talked about, Charlie.
I'm gonna call it the Steve Bannon, November 1st, I finally got my ass out of jail effect.
Like, how about that for a rallying cry?
You know, where do you want the most momentum?
I say you want the most momentum in the final five days.
When is Steve Bannon getting out of his 123-day persecution for a misdemeanor?
Let's remind people, a misdemeanor!
All right.
When is he getting out?
With five days to go.
I'm looking.
That's what's circled on my calendar.
The Steve Bannon effect.
Then what have we had in the last week?
What did you organize in Phoenix?
The Kennedy for Trump.
That thing blew up.
What?
17,000 people with 6,000 people who couldn't get in.
You know, on the outside, I think there's momentum there.
I think that's probably why Nate Silver is shifting his odds.
You know, all of this is coming home to roost.
And then the Halperin thing, right?
Maybe what Halperin is saying, and Halperin's a smart dude, is all of this hype is worth one freaking point.
That at the end of all this, when we're staring this thing down on November 1st, before the Bannon effect starts, That Kamala has gained maybe one point over Biden.
At that point, they're biting nails, sweating, sweating.
And here comes Steve Bannon.
So I tell you, man, I tell you, Charlie, I'm psyched.
I'm psyched for it.
And we have to do the work, right Cain?
I'm visiting over 21 college campuses trying to lose by less on college campuses.
We're not going to win the youth vote on these campuses, but we can lose by less and we can get young men out.
I'm doing events all across the country, doing ballot chasing.
We're hosting JD Vance next week.
We've got RFK coming very soon.
We've got stuff with Vivek on campus.
Got a lot happening here, Cain.
It is ground game, ground game, ground game.
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Joining us now is Michael Schellenberger, founder of Public, a Substack independent journalist.
Michael, welcome to the program.
Thank you for taking the time.
So, Michael, we could play some of this piece of tape here, but first I want to get your opening remarks on your take on Mark Zuckerberg's letter to Jim Jordan.
Great to be with you, Charlie.
I mean, the first thing I would say is that I think this is, we now have enough information for independent journalists like myself.
I'm not a partisan, I'm an independent, and I'm not even voting this year.
But I think there's enough information now to say that both the CIA and the FBI broke the law, broke at least two laws, the Wiretap Act and the Hatch Act, To interfere in the 2020 elections on behalf of Biden and against Trump.
And there was a detail in the Zuckerberg letter that wasn't there about Burisma.
It mirrors exactly the Aspen Institute's disinformation operation that it ran on behalf of the FBI for Biden and against Trump.
I think it's an understanding that many people have been working towards for a lot of time and people before I wrote about it were working on this and writing about it.
I now feel comfortable to say I think the evidence is now overwhelming that both CIA and FBI interfered in the 2020 elections.
To what extent did they interfere, and what did that mean for the end result, if you were to speculate?
Was it just kind of paperwork interference, or do you think, as a journalist, it had substantive, result-directed interference?
You mean, do I think it had an impact?
Yes, a material impact on the outcome.
Well, that's hard to say.
I mean, I think you start to get to... I mean, remember, we're not very good at Because the problem is we can't get inside people's minds and decisions and choices that people make are very complicated.
So it'd be hard to say definitively that the efforts of the U.S.
intelligence agencies were the decisive factor in Biden's defeat of Trump.
But I will say as somebody that voted for Biden, And saw the Hunter Biden laptop story.
I myself dismissed it as Russian disinformation because not just because of the 51 former CIA directors and other senior intelligence officials signed a letter saying that's what it was, but also because Twitter and Facebook And other seemingly independent institutions, both news media and social media, had said the same thing.
And so, you know, would that have changed my mind?
I don't know.
It's hard to say.
But I think that whether or not it would have changed the outcome of the election, the fact of it is extremely serious.
It's a, I mean, I can't think of anything else in American history where the intelligence and security agencies interfered in an election in such a shocking, coordinated, systematic way, and not once, but multiple times.
I mean, I just can't think of another time in American history.
Maybe there's some moment we haven't learned about, but I can't think of any point in American history where we've seen anything like that.
And of course, hundreds of years of Western liberal democratic governments have fought against that kind of thing. We don't want the
king's men to be able to arbitrarily break the law. We have constraints on both our law
enforcement officers and our intelligence agencies. It's sort of, it's really, it's like Magna Carta
level violation.
It's not just U.S.
constitutional violation.
It is a deep attack.
It's a violation of human rights.
It's a fundamental violation of human rights.
So the significance of it, I don't think we should race past.
Again, I don't think it depends.
The significance of the crime doesn't depend on how effective it was.
But it obviously was very effective because the initial CIA interference starts in 2016.
I mean, as late as 2016.
It's as far back as I feel comfortable saying that it went.
But CIA interference goes back to 2016.
So you're looking at a really sweeping counter-populist effort by American intelligence and security agencies spanning, you know, a very significant amount of time and arguably continuing.
I mean, I think not arguably, it is continuing in the sense that justice has not been served at a minimum.
Christopher Wray is still the director of the FBI, incredibly.
Gina Haspel, the former director of the CIA, has not been brought to account.
Nobody has been brought to account.
There's no real investigation into it.
Whatever people have called an investigation until now is obviously insufficient.
So I think it's a really serious moment, at least for people like me that have not been comfortable kind of coming out and saying so strongly what I felt the need to say over the last few days.
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This goes down to this idea, as you say, the Magna Carta in 1215 of June,
that the king is not above the law and that there's this idea above the king.
And of course, that eventually led to the birth of Western civilization and common law
and individual initiative and sovereignty and due process and checks and balances.
But yes, this idea that your intel agencies get to choose who your leaders are, that's a violation of like an 800-year unbroken chain, right?
Yes, certainly, and certainly in the liberal democratic period of the last several hundred years.
So then the question is, I mean, there's a lot of frustration online and people that have been, you know, making this point like yourself for a very, for a very long time.
And there's a lot of frustration and, um, yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot, I, for me, I think it's important that people that, that, that are not Trump supporters, that don't agree with Trump, that don't like Trump, that are not going to vote for Trump.
I would like for them to understand.
The significance of this because they don't understand it.
They don't want to understand it.
The media.
Was a participant in these crimes and they were inventing the they were participating the entire time.
In creating the Russia collusion hoax and the, you know, the big lie.
You know, that Trump is a Manchurian candidate for the Russians for Putin.
The media was part of that.
So they're not going to tell people.
But I just think I just kind of look forward and I go, you know, historians will know.
I mean, hopefully historians recognize what happens sooner rather than later.
But I think the evidence is now overwhelming for any kind of You know, anybody, any independent, reasonable person to look at the facts, you can't look at them and walk away saying, concluding anything other than the CIA and FBI interfered in the 2020 elections.
What's to stop them from interfering in this election?
Well, that's a very good question.
I mean, in some ways that is the most important question.
You know, and maybe they are.
I mean, we should we should consider that they might already be doing that.
You know, what's Interesting.
There's a lot that's interesting about this case.
You may know there's somebody named Martin Goury, who's a former CIA analyst.
He wrote one of the best books on the impact of the Internet on politics.
Yeah, not a Trump person at all.
He wrote, the book is called Revolt of the Public, and it's just about the power of social media for disintermediated direct access and conversations like the one we're having, but just social media being able so that a populist figure like Trump is not just, you know, Prevented from emerging as a serious candidate because he can speak directly to the public and how that's just a revolution as large as the print the invention of the printing press and its dissemination in the 15th and 16th centuries in Europe and all of the revolutions it resulted in and wars and as people dealt with the fact that they were able to communicate with each other, you know peer-to-peer communications and
When I did that Twitter, so my involvement in this goes back to this Twitter files thread on the Hunter Biden laptop.
One of the most important aspects of which is that I discovered and described what is clearly an FBI operation through the Aspen Institute.
To pre-bunk or preemptively brainwash a program, both all of the top journalists at all the major media outlets and the top censors in the social media platforms, including Facebook and Twitter, so that to prepare them so that when they saw the Hunter Biden laptop, they would censor it.
Or they would, if they were journalists, they would cover it, but focus it in a way on this idea that it was Russian disinformation.
So that was run through this ostensibly independent NGO called the Aspen Institute, which is funded by the US government and was clearly working as a proxy front group.
You might call it an intermediary or cut out to engage in illegal political action that violates the Hatch Act by the FBI to run this disinformation operation.
When Martin Goury, to finish the story, when this amazing CIA analyst read it, we spoke and he just said, this is not what the CIA used to be.
There was a firewall between the CIA and the FBI.
The CIA and the FBI can't involve themselves in politics.
Obviously, it's illegal, but it's also just not the culture of those institutions.
Those are not institutions The directors of those institutions are supposed to go do nonpartisan work.
But after the election, and you know, they go be boring, he would say they would be boring after they were directors, they would go out and, you know, work on they work at boring think tanks, and it was very bipartisan.
This thing of these guys, the directors, the agents, the senior executives, the general counsel, these guys engaging in partisan politics, for Martin, it was just shocking.
You know, it's not something that those agencies had done.
And so this desire to undermine the presidency of Donald Trump and then interfere in the elections.
Is a real watershed in American society and I think, you know, it's very much of a Black Pill moment in the sense that I think it's very frightening to know that that was that has been going on and that those folks felt entitled to manipulate our minds.
And do they still feel that way?
Because it's a sense of they don't respect democracy.
They don't respect our Constitution.
They don't respect us as fellow humans and they are violating our rights.
So I mean the long story short.
Yeah.
I mean, I think we need to have we need to Be very vigilant in protecting our freedoms and watching these guys.
We reported on continued, we think, intelligence and security agency disinformation around Russia in Europe a few months ago in relationship to counter-populism against right-wing populist parties in Europe.
Definitely happening there.
Um, but yeah, we should, I think, be very vigilant that it could be happening now in some way that we don't understand or see, or that it will happen between now and the elections.
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So Michael, do you have any idea as to why Mark Zuckerberg was so candid in this letter?
You know that he could have dodged or weaved or had lawyers buttress him up against the committee.
It happens all the time.
You don't have to be that candid, and certainly not that candid publicly.
What was going into Zuckerberg's calculus here?
Well, it's a great question.
Obviously, none of us can get inside the mind of Mark Zuckerberg, but we can, of course, speculate.
And there's a lot of, I think, motivations he would have.
I mean, I think my read of it is that he and his team felt that they had not properly dealt yet with this issue and that it's a problem for them With, I assume with Republicans in particular, you know, and that's enough to really hurt the brand.
You know, Zuckerberg, everything he does has to be to maximize shareholder value for Medicorporation, which owns Facebook.
So I think they calculated they needed to, you know, and another way to read it is it's kind of a repositioning of Facebook back as a nonpartisan entity.
And it had to clean up these three issues, which was really the censorship on COVID, The Hunter Biden laptop, I mean, their involvement in the disinformation effort.
And then the third thing was Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg at the same time.
Zuckerberg said that the donations that he made in 2020 were nonpartisan, the sense among, I think, a lot of Republicans.
And you, I think, have been arguing this is that they were biased towards helping Democrats get out the vote.
And he said that he wouldn't be making any donations at all this year.
So, you know, I thought that it was, you know, it comes in a context where Zuckerberg also said that he admired Trump's response to the assassination attempt.
And it's notable that he says this, that in the document, in the letter, he said that, Uh, you know, that the, that he regrets succumbing to the pressure of the Biden White House.
You know, I think they were, that, that's a way of biting back a little bit.
Um, and, uh, you know, kind of, and, you know, and obviously throwing, you know, not taking, he did take responsibility, but also, you know, um, making the Biden administration own it a little bit as well.
I want to quickly go to Brazil here.
Brazil just froze Starlink assets in their country.
That's breaking news.
And can you just give our audience an update here on the significance of it?
Yeah, I mean, I was, I've been, I've been writing posts on X about it.
I, it's shocking.
I mean, I just couldn't, when I saw the article, so the headline is, in the absence of a representative for the X network in Brazil, the Supreme Court of Brazil has blocked Elon Musk's Starlink bank accounts.
I mean, it's basically Brazil has retaliated.
They're not able to arrest anybody from X in Brazil, which is what they want to do.
And so he's retaliating by freezing the bank accounts of a completely different corporation.
Which is Elon Musk's Starlink, which of course is this satellite internet service that Elon launched through SpaceX.
I mean, the two are sort of related, but it's the satellite communications network.
And it's been providing, you know, I think the service to a lot of really remote parts of Brazil, particularly in the Amazon.
And I think that's part of the Musk's appeal in Brazil has been related to this incredible technological breakthrough of the satellite Internet.
So this is just a gigantic move.
I mean, I posted, I go, you know, this is an attack now on not just free speech, but free markets and the rule of law.
Of course it is.
You can just roguely go after a separate company.
If President Trump wins, he should say, you know what, Brazil, we're going to put a 500% tariff on your lumber unless you fix this.
I only say that because imagine if Brazil all of a sudden came down, they said, we're not going to allow gay pride parades or whatever.
Our State Department would lose it, wouldn't it, Michael?
I mean, but when it comes to free speech or free markets... Yeah, absolutely.
And you're reading my mind in the same place.
I mean, look, Joe, President Biden must denounce this.
I mean, Vice President Kamala Harris...
I don't know what investors are going to do.
I'm not an investor, but Brazil is not a secure place for foreign investment.
That's the kind of punchline here.
And not a safe place for American investors.
I don't think that this is sort of the end of Brazil's attack on Free markets.
You know, this is potentially the beginning because we just saw they've been working for months to shut down free speech in Brazil.
It's just now they're doing amazing.
We will lecture Russia ad nauseum about how they're against free speech.
And then Brazil in our own hemisphere will have a mass move against free speech and nothing so far.
Michael Schellenberger, thank you so much.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us as always Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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