In this week’s ThoughtCrime Charlie Kirk, Jack Posobiec, Tyler Bowyer, and Blake Neff celebrate Jack's successful derailment of Kamala VP favorite Josh Shapiro. Then, they discuss the sap she actually did pick, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz. Did Democrats pick the wrong guy? Does he create new vulnerabilities for the Kamala campaign? Is attacking Walz useful — or just a bunch of horsing around?Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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We have Blake here.
Howdy!
We have Tyler with his Arizona Diamondbacks.
How are the Diamondbacks doing this year?
Is it D-backs or Diamondbacks?
We say D-backs here, and they were playing a doubleheader today.
They'll always be the Diamondbacks to me.
Are they keeping the momentum from last year's loss?
They've had a ton of injuries this year, but they've played pretty well considering the injuries.
62 and 52, I think that's good enough for Wildcard.
Are they in the NL West?
I'm not sure.
Ooh, they're on an 8-2 run.
Wow, these guys are kicking butt.
As long as you get hot.
Oh, I think they beat... We've got the Brewers coming up playing the Dodgers next week, actually, during their primary.
So we're pulling for the Brewers to beat the Dodgers.
That's great.
Andrew's not here.
He's on vacation so we can trash the Dodgers.
By the way, anyone who likes the Dodgers goes down in my book.
Honestly, I feel like people who like the Dodgers should be rounded up.
We're not going to go that far.
The Dodgers are the easiest team to cheer for because they're always good.
They have the biggest budget.
There's no effort.
There's no pain.
There's nothing.
It's like the Yankees.
So, we're gonna call this the Jack Posobiec Appreciation Hour.
And last week... No, no, this is... I don't think I've ever... Slow clap.
...appreciated Jack before?
No.
I understand.
No, I've never actually... I don't think I've ever, like, stroked Jack's ego.
Like, I've never done, like, that whole thing.
I just don't do that.
But it's pretty amazing.
So Jack, I'll talk and then you can listen and then you could tell the story.
I can say confidently, I believe, I think Josh Shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee if it wasn't for Jack Posobiec.
This is not Bluster.
This is not Charlie trying to score points.
I have nothing to benefit from here except I call balls and strikes.
Jack's gonna get a kick out of this.
It's Thursday night and Jack just started going on these quasi-autistic rants against Shapiro.
It was every four minutes on my telegram.
I have receipts, Josh.
You're not gonna like this, Josh.
And I was like, here we go.
And I gave it like 99 to 1 odds that Jack... Whoa, whoa, whoa.
And did I produce?
Jack, I started with the goods, okay?
I started with saying that I'm appreciating your results here.
And then all of a sudden, on Friday afternoon, I was like, man, he's getting some traction on this stuff.
And Jack is talking about the fact that he might be in an IDF uniform, and all these left-wing forums are exploding, and the betting markets had Shapiro at 80%, then it was like 70%, then it was 60%.
And next thing I know, all of a sudden there's these stories being leaked on Sunday about Walls maybe being the guy.
I was like, did Jack Posobiec just dethrone a five-foot-three sitting governor of Pennsylvania?
The craziest one for me was when I saw the story start going like, oh, this suicide ruling from a decade ago.
I'm like, oh, this has to be something really stupid.
And then I know I bring up this Inquirer, Philadelphia Inquirer article.
I'm like.
Whoa, they lost the psychologist report on this?
What?
No, no, and I was like, okay, this is, you know, where are we at on this?
Because, I mean, Jack's from Pennsylvania, so it'd be, it's very, I thought this was just kind of like a personal vendetta.
Jack trying to, like, prime the pump.
And I don't think... It is definitely a personal vendetta.
That part is also 100%.
No, no, I mean, of course, but, I mean, Jack, we'll let you kind of tell the story, but I think we all should just do kind of the master's golf clap here.
Because... Slow clap.
It was...
The Josh Shapiro political career was damaged significantly.
It just wasn't tall enough.
Yeah.
You have to be this tall.
Yeah, he came up short.
He couldn't overcome it.
He couldn't overcome it.
That's right.
He didn't meet the minimum.
Jack, tell us the story of what happened, because this was a 48-hour tsunami of Josh Shapiro, which was like unquestionably the pick, canceling Hampton's fundraisers.
All my sources were saying this.
Wealthy Jewish donors that I know, we're talking to wealthy liberal donors, and we're like, it's done.
Josh Shapiro is basically, like, telling people you can get tickets at the Philly announcement.
You have the Philly mayor.
They made the video!
Can you get the video?
Let's get the video.
Ryan, get the video.
So, Jack, tell us a little bit about this, and then I want to play this video.
What happened from Thursday night to Tuesday morning?
Walk us through the Jack Posobiec Masterclass of Dark Arts.
Yeah, so, I mean, basically, look, I'll put it this way, you know, I was well-seated for this because, you know, Josh Shapiro and I go way back.
I first met Josh Shapiro all the way back in 2008 when he was a state rep, and he was basically a local surrogate for Obama, and he was appearing at this, I think it was some debate in like Montgomery County, and that's where I'm from, that's where he's from, right outside Philadelphia.
And, you know, I could tell, I mean, he's very good on the mic.
He's very good at debates.
You know, he lies with ease, right?
You know, slippery like a needle, these types.
And people have seen that over the last couple of, I think, days and weeks, culminating in this really cringey speech he gave last night after being passed over, even though he's used to being passed over.
Lots of things pass over him.
Baseballs when you play middle, you know, basketball.
Shots.
They're all just passing over Josh Shapiro.
It's not hard because I can understand how you can miss him down there.
But the, you know, the real thing is, though, I had so many people reaching out to me from the Philadelphia area, so many people bringing up, especially this case of Alan Greenberg, which, you know, it had, it had been out there before.
And I think I had mentioned it on Twitter before a couple of times in 2022, when he was running for governor, and I was going up to Pennsylvania campaigning against him and really just Calling out who he was and what he was about.
But the Pennsylvania Supreme Court then, I guess, for whatever reason, decided to pick up the case and put it under review for the first time since this happened in 2011, by the way, when this poor girl was killed.
And he wasn't involved in the case initially.
His involvement as Attorney General comes up way later, in about 2021.
So almost a decade later.
When it gets passed to him.
By the way, it's a crazy way that it gets involved because he gets the case because the family's lawyer, the lawyer of the family of the girl, This will make sense in a second.
Goes on to run for DA of Philadelphia, and then his name is Larry Krasner, and he's the Soros DA of Philadelphia.
So, he has a conflict of interest and can't touch the case.
So, in 2017, he passes it over to the Attorney General's office, that's Josh Shapiro, and Josh Shapiro's office pretends to sit on it for all these years and there's no traction, and then suddenly, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court says, you know what?
There's just too much going on.
We can talk a little bit about the case later if you guys want, but, you know, like Blake was saying a second ago, it's just a very strange case to have been ruled suicide the way it was.
Stabbed 20 times.
I think it was 9 in the front and 11 in the back.
So just not the type of case that you would see easily ruled a suicide, and yet it hadn't gotten any traction until just last week.
We're putting that information out there.
We're walking through time and time again on this thing.
And then we're also putting out information about the sexual harassment case
that he covered up when he was in office.
And what's crazy is, so the guy who was, they keep saying it's the aide, it's the aide.
No, it was his secretary of legislative affairs.
So basically like his senior, almost a cabinet level official,
that guy was the former Republican state rep who was one district away from me in Montgomery County.
So these are guys who, the same way you guys and Tyler specifically are so tied in in Arizona,
that's how tied I am in Pennsylvania.
So I know all these guys.
I used to see this guy's name is Mike Verb.
And I used to see him just being like blitz drunk, walking around Walmart at like four in the afternoon, former police officer.
And he was a Republican who then went and cut a deal with the Democrats and with Josh Shapiro, basically turned over MCRCs, the Montgomery County Republican Committee, control of it to Josh Shapiro.
And this is what a lot of Republicans in Pennsylvania did to help Shapiro become governor.
And, you know, people can go back and see what happened in 2022 in terms of that.
He goes on and is sexually harassing this, I'm going to be very careful about this
because her name is not public and I don't want to make it public,
but this female staffer, another female staffer in the office
for months there in Harrisburg.
And Shapiro claimed, oh, I didn't know about this.
I had no idea that he was being investigated.
No idea she had filed a complaint.
And I've got more people from Harrisburg texting me saying he was notified almost immediately of this.
He was briefed.
Of course he would be briefed, by the way.
He's the governor.
This is happening right in his office with his senior staff.
But basically he sat on that too.
Why?
Because he's all about creating this perfect picture.
The perfect Josh Shapiro.
Josh Shapiro who is the heir apparent in all of politics.
Josh Shapiro who has studied Obama's voice and mannerisms down to the exact letter to be able to directly mimic him in such a way that if you closed your eyes you might actually think it's Obama up on stage even though Obama's voice doesn't crack the way Josh Shapiro's does.
And again, so I'm just getting all of this information from a lifetime in Pennsylvania politics and putting it out and just putting it all out there.
And by the way, I've got so, so, so much more, but it's also, by the way, You noticed I didn't attack his record.
I didn't bring up anything about what he had done as governor or anything like that, because I was deliberately making sure to focus on things that I knew would gain traction with the left, with Team Kamala, with their decision-making loop, with the things that their side would care about.
And then, Charlie, you referenced this, of course, but his His time volunteering with the IDF, also, by the way, a brief stint working in the Israeli embassy, something that I didn't even bring up, but it got recently added to his Wikipedia.
All of that hitting the Democrat Party as they're looking at going to Chicago, what, in two weeks' time here.
It just turned into a situation that I think they were terrified of.
And they said, look, you know, on paper, this guy seems like he makes sense.
He's from a must-win state.
He's got this ability to appeal to crossover voters the way that Tim Walz claims to, but actually doesn't, by the way.
Shapiro did actually pick up a lot of working-class voters in Pennsylvania and in Western Pennsylvania who typically go for Trump, and so they were these kind of like Trump-Shapiro voters that were out there because these people vote with their wallets, not ideology.
And look, I just made sure to get into their cycle and get into their headspace to the point where they were so terrified of the skeletons.
Legitimate.
It was amazing.
I just want to interject.
Number one, let's not fool ourselves.
Shapiro would have been the smarter pick here.
Every single probability model shows that if Trump doesn't carry Pennsylvania, his odds are sub 50%.
He has to then basically win Wisconsin, Arizona, and Georgia, which is what we've been focused on.
But that's a tougher path.
It just is.
And so this opens up Pennsylvania, number one.
Number two, Josh Shapiro is a legit political talent.
He just is.
He's good.
I was watching that speech.
If he's doing fraud, it means he's good at projecting a good image.
Well, I'm just saying he's got a good talent.
In a social media TikTok era, this guy would have been as hot of a pistol.
He actually might have been a little bit better than Kama.
A lot better than Kama.
Oh, totally.
Incalculably.
I think that this... I thought this... Let's play this tape here.
This cake was baked, in my opinion.
I think it was ready.
Everything was prepped.
And Jack kind of was the straw that broke the camel's back.
He's like, no, no, no!
All you Arabs in the Democrat Party, you Hamas wing, are you okay with this?
And it kind of created a summer... It was a weekend of jihad.
It really was.
It was a... It was a Jack Jihad.
It was a Jack Jihad.
This video... By the way, I saw this video and I said... I remember I was in Dallas last week when I saw it.
I turned on my phone and I said, This is going to be tough to beat.
This vibe, this energy, it's well-produced, it's well-edited.
Right, Tyler?
It was the best ad I've ever seen.
I was like, oh goodness.
It was really good.
This is warfare.
And I was like, they're going to go with this guy and it's going to be really hard.
The media will just carry this guy and they won't talk.
And I was like, oh my goodness.
They'll make his name bigger on the posters.
Of course they will.
And he'll raise so much money.
I mean, he will raise so much money.
This is 97.
This was what was supposed to be.
But we are unburdened by what has been.
Play cut 97.
Philadelphia, we got work to do.
We're ready to rival, y'all!
I'm Mayor Sherrell Parker, here with leaders from across our region.
Kamala Harris is on the road to victory.
And the road goes to Pennsylvania.
And in Pennsylvania, we're united behind her.
The woman that's tough and can lead.
Are we ready to fight for it?
She is the right person at the right time for this job.
It's going to do right by labor.
It's going to do right by working people.
And I can't think of a better partner than our Governor Johnson.
His policies have not only supported the working class, but have set standards for progressive leadership that benefits all citizens.
Building up the ability trade.
IBEW for Kamala Harris.
Montgomery County.
Bucks.
Delco.
Chester.
Northeast.
South Philly.
North Philly.
For Kamala Harris.
We're getting behind Kamala Harris.
Kamala Harris.
Kamala Harris.
Kamala Harris for President.
And Josh Shapiro.
Josh Shapiro.
Josh Shapiro for Vice President.
Now, we need you.
Let us and Kamala Harris know you stand with her.
Together, we can do this.
We are one city.
One region.
A few things.
One, there's very little Kamala Harris in that video.
She has one line and it's not delivered very well.
Yes.
Like, we are ready to do this.
Very strange.
And then also, did they either, like, edit did they dub an actual speech or did they fake a whole
rally no they kind of they took a previous unrelated labor rally and reconfigured it into a josh shapiro
vp announcement whoa it was very weird so just was it was what the way they had set it up was it
was supposed to be a kamal harris um you know just like you like you say this labor rally
And then when Josh Shapiro's name was being floated around, they said, OK, you know, like you said, they turned it into a shadow Josh Shapiro for vice president rally.
Then they cut the promo to make it look as if he had already been chosen.
And there was this there was this statement put out by the Philadelphia mayor's office, by Cheryl Parker's office, saying that, oh, it was it was posted by accident.
By accident?
People in Shapiro's office and people in the Philadelphia machine were starting—and by the way, that's Bob Brady up there.
That's the guy who's run the Philadelphia Democrat machine for an entire generation.
That one old white guy that you see standing up in those clips, that's Bob Brady.
Like, if you want to know where the ballots in Philly are coming from, just go check Bob's house.
That, you know, this was a complete operation because they wanted to make it look like Shapiro was already the shoo-in.
And keep in mind that when Shapiro was at Cheney University being asked about this, Being asked about J.D.
Vance, he makes some comments along the lines of, like, I'll be happy to say that to J.D.' 's face.
I'll be happy to tell that to J.D.' 's face, as if he's going to be seeing him very soon.
And so this was ready to go, and then something happened this weekend, this last weekend, Jack, where they blinked, they second-guessed, and they decided to go to Bernie Sanders of the Beer Belly, Stolen Valor, You know, I like the smell of burnt tires in the morning, Marxist, driver's license for illegals, tampons for boys.
I mean, Jack, explain to me how Josh Shapiro was somehow a more controversial pick than the most unimpressive person in American politics that I've ever seen, Tim Walz.
Well, so the way to look at it this way is, it's the most, he's more controversial for their side, right?
So he's more controversial because he would have driven a wedge between the Democrats and their base, the same wedge, by the way, you're seeing come out right now with the Cori Bush race last night, the fact that she lost in a very close, I think it was the Fifth most spent on primary in like all of American politics or something.
So there's this huge intranescene party fight that's going on on the Democrat side right now.
That's something that, and I kept hearing all throughout that Barack Obama says, just avoid Shapiro, go pick Tim Walz.
He's good with mid Midwest labor.
He's good with, um, you know, he's, he's been an Obama guy for years and years.
It was back to the Obamacare days and all of this.
So just stick with him.
It's easy money.
Won't rock the boat very much.
And, you know, this Josh guy, you gotta watch out for him.
And then even John Fetterman, by the way.
This was huge.
So the Fetterman-Shapiro shade war has been brewing for a long time.
It goes back to years together.
Think about it.
John Fetterman is the one Pennsylvania high-level Democrat that you don't see.
In that hype video out of Philadelphia, John Fetterman, obviously the most high profile Democrat in the entire state of Pennsylvania.
But why isn't he there?
Because he hates Josh Shapiro.
He can't stand him.
And he literally wouldn't stand for him.
If you go look at CNN's got a video.
I think it was MJ Lee that posted it from the speech yesterday when Shapiro walked out You go look and everyone around is standing but not John Fetterman.
John Fetterman is sitting there, he's got his arms crossed, he's got his hoodie on, he kind of looks away as Shapiro takes the stage.
You think that's happening by accident?
No, it's not happening by accident.
That's happening because, and he had warned Kamala Harris over the weekend, basically put in through his aides, This message that Josh Shapiro is overly ambitious, and Josh Shapiro is not someone who can be trusted.
And look at it this way.
Kamala Harris just worked with Obama to coup a sitting president to knock him out of the race.
Now does she really want to put someone in there that's going to have her looking over her back the entire time?
No.
You don't want to put... Vice presidential picks are supposed to be someone that doesn't hurt you, rather than someone who helps you that much.
So that's what they, they start looking at all of these things and they say, all right, you know, maybe Tim Walz is better.
Maybe we need to go for this.
They thought he was the safer pick as opposed to Shapiro being the quote unquote controversial pick because we were able to make him look so based on what you're saying is these, these 48 hours of just, um, uh, 48 hours of, uh, of work.
So, so the Blake, I want objectively, Did we dodge two bullets in Pennsylvania?
One in Butler, the second with Josh Shapiro?
Don't give me the Blake objective take.
What I'll say is, before we got the announcement, Sunday night, we were like, okay, let's make tweets to be ready for this so we can come out of the gate charging.
And so, full disclosure, we wrote tweets for Walls and we wrote tweets for Shapiro.
And I was trying to work up the ones for Shapiro, and what struck me was, one, it's harder to write these than it is for walls.
With walls, it's like, okay, we've got... we have the riots to work with, we have the stolen valor thing to work with.
I didn't even know about the DUI yet at the time.
We've got... it just felt like we had tons of stuff to work with for walls.
And with Shapiro, okay, we had...
We have the stuff we've mentioned, but it was very much, we're essentially, if we get this guy, we're just gonna have to hope the left freaks out about him.
And maybe they will, but the left is pretty good at coming together and getting over it.
And being totalitarian.
Yeah, exactly, and when they need it to happen.
and i don't like to go into a race where like we basically don't have agency anymore we
just have to hope the left screws it up. I totally agree.
And so with walls I was like okay all these things that are things that we can exploit to
hurt him to win over middle of the road voters with Shapiro we're just going to have to
hope the left gets mad votes for someone else doesn't turn out that they start a civil war
and we don't have much ability to affect it because even if we want to see it happen we're
not we're not going to go out there and like say like oh Shapiro sucks because he
like supports Israel more than Hamas because we support Israel more than Hamas and so I
had gone back and forth like do we want to get Shapiro out like oh this this could be
good stuff to hit him on but I found myself Sunday night thinking.
Thank you.
Man, I hope they go with Waltz because it's so much easier to attack this guy.
I totally agree.
And we talked about it here.
Remember we talked about the idea and it was kind of interesting because I kind of had that thought when we got sent some insider information on Waltz because some of the Minnesotans sent it and said, hey, they hate him.
there was like a real opportunity to knock him out last time he ran for governor and the candidate just wasn't
strong enough wasn't Funded well enough good dude, but just didn't have enough
to get over the over the top But they when they said no, this is a real possibility.
Everybody's talking around the ground here It kind of made a lot of sense because it was almost too
much for the left to not do Because they love that style of like radical which is like
that very Liz type, you know You know upper middle class
college educated That's like that's the whole
Attack vector that the left is taking is just try to take as many of those votes off the table in suburbia way.
And that's kind of the that's kind of the MO of Minnesota.
It does make a ton of sense when you look at that if they're going to go all in on Pennsylvania and then try to utilize someone like him to pick off votes in Wisconsin.
And that's their strategy at this point.
Yeah, it's win by more, lose by less.
So run up the score in the black urban areas, and then lose by less in rural areas.
But there's no evidence that Tim Walz actually loses by less in MAGA areas.
In fact, the numbers aren't there.
It's a mythology that he's kind of this blue state.
But they think that.
You know who thinks that?
People that cast for Yellowstone.
Right, Jack?
People think that because he looks a certain way.
This has been something that, and I know for a fact that we have talked about this on Thought Prime, Yellowstoning and Hicklibs and all of this stuff, that it is this operation that is being run to take like conservative aesthetics and run liberal ideals through them.
By the way, Charlie, you were, you know, since you were putting me over so much earlier, Charlie was one of the first people to To call this out, when the, uh, who was the, who was the guy, Richman of Richmond?
Oh yeah, Oliver Anthony.
Oliver Anthony.
I was very early on.
Oliver Anthony.
Charlie was like, no, this guy's, this guy's an op.
This guy's a hickleb.
And some of us were like, nah, but the song is good.
You know, some of us being me, of course, um, we're like, no, we like the song, but Charlie was like, no.
But also, Charlie had a little bit of an ace up his sleeve there, just like I did in Pennsylvania, because Charlie doesn't like country music at all.
I inherently thought it was, no, it's not music.
So I was like, I can't stand this guy.
Yeah, but that's a perfect example of it.
This idea that you're gonna take someone who's got the aesthetics of, you know, what you would traditionally think of as, like, the George W. Bush type, like, you know, country, Midwestern, wears a cowboy hat, listens to country music, has got a pair of cowboy boots, you know, drinks beer, that type of thing, and Probably owns a couple of guns, definitely owns a shotgun, and yet all of a sudden is like, was like, yeah man, and that's why we need tampons for all the boys on this ranch.
And that's like, and so this is where the Yellowstone meme came from, which by the way, I also credit for driving Kevin Costner totally out of the show, because we memed him so hard that he refused to even come back for Yellowstone after we made the meme.
That, you know, it's just been this thing that's going on.
We talked about it a number of times.
And Tim Walz is like the political weaponization of the Hicklib trend that's been going on for so long.
But the problem is that the people of Minnesota can see through it.
And if you look at his voting patterns, and some people were posting, I think Tom Bevins at RCP was posting the last, the county by county election from his last gubernatorial, which I guess was 2022.
And it's like, no, he won with metro city areas and like the metro Burbanites and the rural areas all voted Republican.
So it's just not expressed in the data.
It's just basically, we've proposed up at humanevents.com a new op-ed from the editorial board saying, no, he's not a folksy Midwestern dad.
He's what a woke San Francisco liberal thinks a folksy Midwestern dad looks and talks like just because he sounds like he's from Fargo.
Yeah, and Blake?
Well, I just, I think, I want to quote it because it's a really good part of the book, Right-Wing Revolution.
One of the early chapters, it's basically like, you know, the book is saying how to not fall for what the left does.
And one of the analogies he uses, you compare it all to drag shows.
Like, what is a drag show?
It's a man dressing up as a woman, pretending to be a woman.
Be like, I'm a woman!
Look at me!
And when you think about it, it's what the left does with so many people.
And so, you know, they'll try it out.
This is a general with the U.S.
military, and he's telling you that, you know, we need to care about white rage and we need to do all these things.
And you like the military, right?
You like all those rah-rah patriot stuff.
Or they'll bring out, you know, a pro athlete.
This guy's in the NFL.
He throws the football.
You like football.
It's similar to skin suiting.
Yeah, skin suiting.
He's got a camo hat!
He's got a camo hat!
It is considered. It's a horror of kids.
It's like what Governor Walz says. They'll be like, Governor Walz, you think you're gonna attack this guy?
Look at him. He's wearing orange. He shot a bird with a shotgun.
You like hunting, don't you?
He's got a camo hat!
He's got a camo hat!
He's wearing camouflage!
That means you're okay with all of those other things he does.
He wants to cut the little kids' pee-pees off.
What?
No!
And what's sad is for a long time this did work, and for decades really it would work.
They honed this whole art of get this, yeah, this like Hick Lib out of Minnesota, where you can use this coded thing of like, oh, he owns guns, and he wears camo, and he knows like what a shotgun formation is, and so he can be this insane, you know, Marxist who believes all the latest gender ideology.
But I think people are starting to figure this out now, and I'm hoping we can prove they figured it out with how they'll react to Tampon Tim.
Jack?
Well, and there's also, you know, I was gonna say, so a lot of people were going after him, you know, early on for, and Tampon Tim's hilarious, by the way, I think it's so funny, and it was so good, and Hillary Clinton even shared the Tampon Tim meme, it's like, They're used to, you know, having the levers of power, but they're not actually smart.
So, you know, you can trick them into sharing your own memes.
Like, I remember she was reading Breitbart articles at one point in this insane speech that she gave in 2016.
And she's like, sharing our memes.
Like, why would you be so dumb as to amplify opposition propaganda against your own candidate?
But okay.
So, you know, thanks, Hillary Clinton.
You know, the really big one, though, I think for Tim Walz isn't necessarily his wokeness.
It's the and the one that's getting the most traction, even to the point where CNN had to address it and is trying to dispel it as so much is, I think, within probably within 30 minutes of his of the announcement that he was That he was definitely going to be the pick.
And by the way, I could even go further.
People saying like, oh, Josh Shapiro didn't really want it, and he was telling people he didn't want it.
He was sitting there all night.
He was in the driveway playing basketball with his son, playing up for the cameras, sitting by the phone, sitting by the phone, and it never rang.
It never rang once.
But probably within 30 minutes of the announcement, I posted a tweet from this letter I found from a couple of Command Sergeant Majors from Tim Waltz's National Guard unit in Minnesota saying that this guy is stolen valor because he shirked a deployment, he deserted before deployment, and has been running around embellishing his record, claiming that he served in combat, claiming that he fought in the war on terror, claiming that he carried weapons of war, and it's just a lie.
So not only is it a lie that he didn't serve, right, so that's number one, excuse me, serve in combat.
He did serve, he certainly served.
and it but it's definitely a lie that he served in combat but even more to the point it's it's 10 times more egregious because he deserted his unit just as they were on the eve of deploying and deployment by the way where they lost a 19 year old soldier to an IED and this guy was the senior NCO so he would have been the command sergeant major He then didn't even complete his his E9 school so his command sergeant major school which means that he didn't even retire with his final rank so he's been running around using this rank claiming even like Elissa Farah is saying oh he was he's the highest ranking enlisted man to ever serve in Congress but it's not actually true because he didn't retire with that rank it's it's
Kind of complicated, but the way to explain it is that sometimes in the military, or a lot of times in the military, in the Navy we call it frocking, it's you get selected for your next rank, and so you kind of get to pin it on, but you don't on your uniform, but you don't necessarily get to actually serve in that rank until you complete whatever the requisite.
Sometimes there's coursework, sometimes there's other things you have to do to, you know, sign offs, etc, etc, before you get to actually fully attain that rank.
And because he didn't do that, he didn't follow the rules, he left before his unit deployed to Iraq, where a soldier died.
He was retired at the lower rank of E8, which, you know, is still a great rank and all, but it's not the one that he was claiming.
And so he lied, and I found this letter, a paid letter to, um, it's like the Central Western Tribune, back in 2018, of two people just saying, of two retired Command Sergeant Majors saying, hey, this guy's been lying about his record.
And now J.D.
Vance is getting in on it, and I think that's going to become a huge problem for them because it directly goes to what Blake has been talking about.
It directly attacks him on those same grounds of, like, I'm a man of the people.
I'm a regular Midwestern guy when you're not.
So let's now examine this from a political standpoint.
Tyler, why did they pass over the obviously more impressive astronaut?
who is the Senator from Arizona, by all objective measurements, is more popular, more well-known than Tim Walz, would have made a much better story.
He could have been like, my wife got shot, gun violence, all that nonsense that they push.
Why did they go with Tim Walz?
By the way, you could say what you want about Mark Kelly.
Mark Kelly is perched by the CCP, has a very questionable personal life, but he doesn't have this crazy stuff like tampons and boys' bathrooms and late-term abortion.
I mean, it would have been a much narrower attack vector if they would have went Harris-Kelley.
And by the way, Harris-Kelley sounds better than Harris-Walls.
Yeah, Kamala Kelley sounds really, you know, Kamala Kelley.
Why did they pass over the Arizona Astronauts?
There's a couple, there's like four different reasons.
I don't know if we'll get to all of them right now, but the, I mean, you're making a really good point.
The scary part about Mark Kelly is that he basically has no record at all.
So he's never served in any kind of capacity before getting elected to the Senate.
He's done basically nothing in the Senate.
In fact, the guy hides from everybody.
He's rarely here.
He lives in Houston.
So he's not he's not even from here, right?
The only reason why he claims Arizona is because his wife to I think he really talks to live here for a couple years when he was training for the Air Force of Tucson or some point.
But yeah, I mean, but his wife's from Tucson.
That's where she got shot.
You know, that was a horrible incident that that occurred.
But when he met, you know, After they got married, they would go back and forth, but he spent most of his time in Houston.
That's where his kids were, that's where everything else, right?
We launched rockets.
We've known that, right?
That's where he's from.
So, he's not an Arizonan by any qualification.
He's hardly spent any time here.
He's probably spent more time, I would guess, in almost every other state touring.
In Orbit?
Yeah, in Orbit, for sure.
He's spent more time in Orbit than he has in Arizona.
But I mean, it's kind of impressive, though.
I mean... No, but that's why he's perfect.
His biography is... That's why he's perfect.
...extraterrestrial.
That's why he's perfect, is because he's like anything you want to make him into, and that's what the Democrat Party loves.
Tim Walz is not.
So there's a couple different reasons why I'll get into one of them that I think is the most important.
I think the most important issue for Mark Kelly that you just cannot ignore is I think they are so legitimately concerned about the about Arizona in the long term that any kind of qualification of, you know, removing somebody that is the future for them.
Like, I think they're afraid we're getting wise to the state.
Well, number one, they don't want to pull out a talent because they have no one to legitimately replace them with.
So if they win, right?
And this is how they think.
I don't think they're going to win.
But if they won, they think, well, then we're totally screwed now because we have no one to replace Mark Kelly with.
And Doug Ducey could run, potentially, or whatever.
In a swing state, you know, type atmosphere.
Number two, and I think it's really important- Can they do that?
Well, if he- Can they just do that at convention?
Well, hold on.
I'm gonna get to that in a second, Jack, because I think- Yes, but one second.
I don't think we're out of the woods yet.
Well, we're not.
Yeah, we're not.
Because this Stolen Valor thing's heating up.
Yeah, well, maybe we should just chill a little bit.
I mean, I think we should be open about it, but just be very clear that a replacement of Wallace would be like 40.
But what is it?
What is it?
Nobody cares.
I mean, you would cover it up and they'd be like, oh, sorry, he's a buffoon.
We messed up.
Now here's Mark Kelly.
But let's be very clear.
You pick Mark Kelly.
He has suspicious CCP balloon ties.
Yeah.
And he also is not a loyally married, allegedly, to Let's just say there's a lot of skeletons in the closet, right?
And so a lot of skeletons in the, what do you call the storage bay within a rocket ship?
There's a lot of skeletons in there.
So that's the second point.
The third point is that legitimately all the numbers and all the trends and everything looking in Arizona right now do not look good for the Democrats.
So I'll just point out one thing.
Michigan versus Arizona in the primary.
Michigan, early balloting, the Democrats were up basically 20% on the Republicans.
Here in the primary, the Republican Party is basically up 20%.
And that's with a bunch of our boomers in midwestern states.
Not here.
The state loses like 15% of its population.
20%, right?
Yeah, at least.
We become 20% less populated in three months of the year.
And younger families leave the state for going out of town.
to summer snow. I understand where they're all going. Yeah, and they go back to Iowa or they go back to Chicago or they
go back to Minneapolis. And younger families leave the state for going out of town. So you're out of town for
three to four weeks in the summertime, different places. So there's a lot of people missing.
There's a lot of uncertainty for the Democrats.
They're looking at the operation of things that we're doing and others are coming in and going, wait a minute, you know, the Republicans in Arizona have kind of figured some stuff out.
You know, there's less of it being figured out in other places.
And they have dumped more money into Pennsylvania and Wisconsin than almost anywhere.
They have to win Michigan, so they have a grassroots army that's there in Michigan.
So this is a full blue wall strategy.
They have to defend the Rust Belt, and that's what they're doing.
So let's just play this out though.
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I'm telling you, this Stolen Valor thing is heating up.
And, it's gonna cause... I don't think it's gonna slow down anytime soon.
Because it's so bad.
And, would you agree, Blake?
What's so bad about it is, it's not even just a case... We've had a lot of cases of people who play up their military service.
Like, was it Blumenthal who said that he... Denang Dick Blumenthal.
Denang Dick Blumenthal.
There's a lot of guys where it's like, they served... Connecticut.
but they implied they were like in a war zone when they were no he was really
bad his was pretty bad he was worse than john kerry yeah i think dick literally was like i went to vietnam i
don't think he did it all
yeah yeah yeah there was a during the vietnam you know it was the worst
example of stolen dollar we what i'd say makes this actually very bad is it's not
merely a case of him playing up we have that which does make this work this one
jeopardize he implied he implied that he was like serving in a more like he was
in a war zone when he wasn't that's bad but i think i could get through that
what is bad is and a completely objective narration of what he did do
makes him look like he's a very bad character like but here's a summary a friend of mine uh... wrote up for me
where he's like waltz's uh... fellow like the people who've spoken up from
his old unit have been very clear and consistent about what happened
their brigade is made aware of a coming iraq deployment Sometime early in 2005 they learn of this.
The sergeant's major of all the subordinate battalions hold a meeting at brigade to discuss at which Walz affirms his commitment to go.
Then in May, Walz drops retirement papers without informing the brigade sergeant major or any of his peers.
By retiring, he voids a promotion that he's received and reverts to Master Sergeant, which
incidentally greatly lowers his pension pay.
And he doesn't even show up to sign the relevant paperwork for it.
He just bolts, right before his unit goes to Iraq.
And you know what?
You could even be frank.
I wouldn't have wanted to go to Iraq, probably.
It doesn't seem like it was a very fun time.
But he was in a position of leadership over other people, and he cut and ran, and then
he played up his veteran status after doing so.
And then lied about what he did, egregiously.
And CNN is admitting this is the case.
I think you're going to get more veterans.
I bet they'll find more people.
This is a big unit.
They'll get more people who will come out, and they will be very aggrieved by this.
He is not the Democrat vice presidential nominee yet.
I want to be very clear.
Kamala Harris went through a virtual roll call. Tim Wells did not. This is a suggestion.
There's just- all that is is a bunch of rally signs with his name on it. This could be switched out in a moment.
Do not- I'm not saying it's probable. I'm not even saying it is likely.
Is it good if it happens?
No- no.
Do we want him to stay in? Or- We kind of want him to stay in because the media is a freaking Soviet brainwashing operation right now.
Where it's like Trump gets shot and three days later they're saying Trump's a coward.
Nothing has staying power.
Donald Trump has faced more enemy fire than Walls ever did.
That's exactly right!
And Trump has been shot!
Tim Walz never took a bullet for this country.
You know who did?
Donald Trump.
Not even that.
Tim Walz has never been in a firefight.
Donald Trump has.
So I'm of the opinion that a switch is bad because this was... I think they go Kelly after this.
Because Shapiro is dead because he's a Jew and they hate Jews.
Yeah, but can I point something out?
Part of the reason why Kelly and Shapiro may not be here, and I know the room- Or maybe Bashir is the backup, I don't know.
Maybe Bashir, yeah.
But I think the general consensus around the room is that Shapiro wanted it really bad and he got- He's too ambitious.
But Kelly, I think, actually stepped away from it and was like, I actually think that- I think he's afraid of his skeletons.
And also, why would you want to go down with Kamala?
I don't know.
Your career is over.
There's a 50-50 shot she wins.
Let's just be honest.
In a swing state though, if you lose, and you're with her, tied to her, you're going to be tied to her for the rest of your life.
It's like the Sarah Palin thing.
Or the Tim Kaine phenomenon.
No one ever talks about Tim Kaine.
No one wants to talk to you ever again.
So I think it's very unlikely they pulled Tim Walz.
However, they're in desperation mode where they're like, hey, we just pulled Biden, why don't we pull this buffoon?
Like, there's no name ID.
I'm not even saying it's likely, Blake, but if we say that it's 0%, I think that's a huge mistake.
This has not been a good rollout for them.
By the way, we have all these up here.
They're like, you know, military service of Walz put in question.
This is a thing.
We're 24 hours into his announcement, Blake, and this is becoming a narrative.
I like how it's the things you're flagging, and then also NBC has a random thing about the pyramids up there on our news wall.
The amount of stupid news that NBC has on every day, it really tells you everything you need to know.
I'm going to have to look that one up.
They just ran a whole hit piece on me on MSNBC.
That's how bad it is.
They think that the pyramids were like built underwater.
It's like this whole thing that they used water to build.
You didn't see this?
Whoa!
Like a hydraulic press?
Yeah, exactly.
They just discovered something recently.
I did hear about this.
That'd be wild if it was the case.
That's a bit off topic, but the pyramids are cool, man.
This is thought crime.
I will just say, anyone who hasn't been, the pyramids are easily the most impressive thing I've ever seen in my life.
You've been to Cairo?
Yes.
Is Cairo... Cairo is not so nice, though, is it?
No, it's a slum.
It's a slum.
Egypt is crappy.
Egyptians are all trying to scam you, I'm sure.
Bye-bye, Tyler.
We appreciate you.
He has to go chase Ballas.
But if you fly to Cairo instead, we'll understand.
That's where Andrew is.
I've been to Morocco, and it was terrible.
Morocco was so bad.
But, I mean, here's what I understand.
Everywhere that's not America is, like, not great.
I mean, there's, like, a couple other countries that... I mean, Switzerland's really rich and nice.
Dubai... The sad thing is, there's a few places that are just nicer than America now.
Singapore... No, no, I'm saying, though, but we're so used to... Cairo's a slum.
Am I wrong to say that?
Cairo is... It is a rough town.
It is... I'll say, when I'm in Egypt, I had the feeling, like, this country will eventually have a revolution, and, like, half the country will die.
What what what don't they have a revolution like every five years there?
Yeah, they had one in 2011 which made the tourism a lot cheaper
I will say but literally like because the Muslim Brotherhood was in charge. Yeah, well so their economy is very is very
weak other than other than like tourism
But they also like scare away all the tourists because they're always trying to scam you
No, it's bad.
It's endless.
I don't want to get too down this thing.
Let's go back.
I will say, the pyramids are amazing.
But, back on topic, with Walls, if he... What I'm wondering is, do we wish we can hit him so bad they force him to drop out, because then it'll be, oh, Kamala's campaign got really damaged, they had to swap someone out.
It's a 48-hour news cycle, Blake.
Yeah.
These are new rules.
Nothing hits anymore.
Yeah.
Because the media is so in the back.
That's my opinion.
And they'd probably come up with an excuse.
Walls has a medical thing he had to step aside.
They'll come up with some explanation like that.
And then, yeah, slot the new guy in.
And the question is, do they go Bashir?
Do they go Mark Kelly?
But, Jack, at the current trajectory right now of how Walls is getting beat up, I say that it would be silly to laugh at the possibility that Walls Cannot get picked.
Is that fair to say?
So, one of my... It is, Ben.
One of the things that I noticed was that... So, Charlie, you know VoteVets, right?
You know how serious of an operation VoteVets is.
It's so artificial, though, man.
It's like... I hope we win in Montana for no other reason than that.
Honestly.
So these guys are very well funded, and they put up a meme today that was one of the worst leftist memes that I've ever seen.
And I should have grabbed it before we went in.
But it was something along the lines of like, claim, Tim Walz didn't have the right rank and that he claimed and also short to deployment to Iraq.
And then the truth and it was just like, In 2005... And it's like, just complete, like, complete gobbledygook, leftist meme, like a paragraph trying to explain its way out of the fact that, you know, he just lied.
He just straight up lied.
Yeah, I'm texting with some New York Times reporters, and they're like, yeah, we're all talking on our Slack feeds.
This is bad, when it comes to walls.
Really?
Yeah.
Like, there's kind of like a... On their Slack feeds?
Yeah.
Did he say anything more?
Is that just a quote?
No, that's kind of it.
That's like... He also... Meaning, like, they're kind of looking at this, and they're, like, not commenting yet, and they're like, yeah.
I mean, this video I just sent, by the way, is, like, him being, like, saying he was a veteran of the Afghanistan War.
Well, so here's what he would do.
I can explain this one.
This is a real one, though, right, Jack?
No, it's real.
But what he's doing is this.
So he's claiming that he served in the opera.
He was placed playing fast and loose with this.
So like, for example, when and like, people know that like, I don't try to do the whole professional veteran thing and be like, Oh, by the way, you know, I served all the time.
Like a lot of people do that.
I've just I'll mention it here and there, but that's kind of it.
But I will say that I served at Guantanamo.
And I'm like, I served at Guantanamo.
That's what I did.
I served in Guantanamo.
That was probably the most whatever.
Other deployments, sure, different parts of the world, but I served at Guantanamo.
That's like the one that everybody talks about.
So deployment, not in terms of what I did.
But that deployment was under what's called Operation Enduring Freedom.
And so Operation Enduring Freedom had many different elements to it.
It had elements of Guantanamo.
So JTF Gitmo was part of Operation Enduring Freedom under DIA.
Where I served, there were elements in Europe that were in support of Operation Enduring Freedom.
There were elements in the Philippines that were considered Operation Enduring Freedom because they were counter-terror.
But from the general public, when you say that phrase, Operation Enduring Freedom, where I served in the war on terror in Operation Enduring Freedom, They think you're talking about Afghanistan because that's where the bulk of Operation Enduring Freedom was.
And basically, when he was saying that, oh, I was, you know, I was serving in serving in Operation Enduring Freedom.
That he was actually in Italy in like a support, you know, in like a support role, you know, doing some other kind of some other kind of op, which is totally on base.
And if last time I checked, Italy now, of course, of course, you can make this joke back then.
But in 2009, there were not a lot of Afghans in Italy.
Now Blake would would remind us there probably are a few more now.
But back at the time, no, that was not the case.
You were not in danger if you were in Italy.
So he ran around claiming that he was in Operation Enduring Freedom and played fast and loose with the facts because that same operational name was used to cover a lot of different missions.
It was not in Afghanistan, and he was more than happy to let people think that he was in Afghanistan.
So, uh, yeah, I was just texting with some other people there.
It's, uh, it's not looking good for Walls.
And so let me ask- And this is just the, like, the cherry on top.
So is this, is this... Are we a little worried that there's more attention on Walls than Harris?
Or I think this is just generally good because they're one and the same.
I think it's good because Wallace is beneath Harris.
And he's co-branded.
Yeah, they're co-branded.
If you're talking about the Veep in a negative way, you're talking about their ticket in a negative way.
I generally think people focus on the potential upsides of VPs, but it's really a lot more downside overall.
Like, a VP can hurt your campaign more than they can help it, I think.
And so if he like blows up and it forces them to talk about it negatively, it really derails the entire, like the game
plan of the Harris campaign, which is have no substance, don't think about it too hard, it's all great.
Any nick, any scratch, anything that throws that off destroys their entire narrative.
Like if Walls is a disaster, the only way you can salvage it is by hyping up how great Harris is.
And there's a fatal flaw with that problem, which is that Harris is awful, and even in their own hype videos, they
can only have one sentence from her, because people don't like to hear her talk, they aren't impressed by what she
says.
She's a bad candidate, and I think it's going to be incredibly difficult for them to hold this sort of fake plastic smile they've put on themselves for three straight months.
And I know it's been a tough couple weeks since she came in.
The polls got closer, a lot of people who'd left Biden came back, and it might even be tough All the way through the convention, because they're going to have positive stuff from that.
But I think if we're damaging walls and just forcing them to get Kamala out there to try to strengthen the campaign, we're in a good position.
It will be very hard for them to signal strength with nothing to back it up for that long.
I think that's well said.
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Let's play Cut 98.
In this picture, Congressman Wallace here is holding a sign that says Enduring Freedom of Veterans for Care.
This right here, under current U.S.
law, this could get the congressman probably thrown in jail in violation of the 2006 Stolen Valor Act.
Which says it is a crime, a federal crime, to portray yourself in writing or verbally as having received an award or declaration authorized by Congress that you didn't receive.
Congresswoman Wallace is clearly claiming in this picture with this sign to be an Enduring Freedom veteran.
He is clearly, nobody disputes the fact that he is not an Afghanistan or Enduring Freedom veteran.
So, this represents a fairly serious issue.
Now, Jack maybe can correct me on this, but I don't think just claiming to be on an operation would be a crime.
And technically, I think he was part of Enduring Freedom.
He's taken advantage of the connection, but it was in support of...
What I was trying to say earlier is that I've always said I served at Gitmo.
I've never referred to myself as an Operation Enduring Freedom veteran, even though technically I am, because Gitmo was considered under OEF.
But it just doesn't feel right, because everyone knows that OEF is generally referring to Afghanistan, and you served in Afghanistan.
So, you know, is he technically correct?
Yeah, but he didn't.
You know, he could have just said, I served in NATO, right?
You know, what's wrong with saying he served in NATO?
But of course, for political points, he wanted to paint the picture of him serving in Afghanistan.
So he's shading the truth.
Now, that being said, I believe that most of the Stolen Valor acts Have more to do with awards rather than specific operations.
There's been a bunch of different iterations and the Supreme Court's ruled a bit on this.
I haven't looked at whatever the most updated version of it is, but I know that it generally has to do with awards.
That recent Wisconsin poll just dropped, by the way, shows that Trump only down one, and that's a Marquette poll, which is a really good poll.
And so that's, with all of this Kamala-mentum and all that stuff, Tim Walz, that's a good data point.
For sure, for sure.
And we've talked about, you know, with Walz and Kamala, I think it shifted the coalitions to be a little bit more like they were in 2016 and 2020, which is good, because what did Wisconsin do in both of those elections?
Massively overperformed Wisconsin and this is why I were investing so heavily in Wisconsin addition to Arizona and we'll close with this.
You know people say Charlie what why Wisconsin why Wisconsin?
It was the closest 2020 state of the blue wall by far.
It is the hardest to pull hardest to cheat most decentralized and the ones that are the most willing to just kind of check out of TV ads and just really look at the candidates and shock pollsters time and time again.
Pennsylvania is tough.
It's just a tough, tough lift.
I'm looking at it now.
Yep.
In 2020, the RCP, Real Clear Politics, average for Wisconsin was plus 6.7.
Overformed by six.
Yeah.
So, and by the way, 2016 was similar.
Similar.
Yes.
Both times.
Trump has overperformed by six.
So here's a question I have, Blake.
Have these pollsters adjusted their methodology to adapt to the errors in 2020, 2016?
They're always trying to do it.
And overall, they were, despite Wisconsin being bad, they were a bit better in 2020.
I do think 2024 is just going to be hard because as we've said the coalitions are so different.
We've never had even like a stint of an election where low propensity voters leaned more Republican.
That's such a new reality.
Only Trump has factored that in.
Exactly.
And so I think they'll try.
I think they might fail at it.
I'm a skeptic that they're ever engineering these polls just to do a specific thing.
They want to be accurate.
I'm not saying that, but I'm saying that have they learned from their polling misses in years past, and this time they've changed their formula.
They've definitely adjusted them, whether they've done it successfully.
We really won't know, because what's crazy with this is, we get a million polls and we get one election day in November, and, well, election month in October.
And I suppose, in addition, the sampling seems to be heavily Democratic recently in some of these states.
It is, but this is a thing they'll point out every time, and you can't go too far with that because, well, if a candidate is doing better in the election, more people are going to say, yes, I am a Democrat who supports this person.
So you'll see this.
They would do this a lot in 2012.
They would say like, oh, they're oversampling Democrats relative to what they're supposed to be.
But they weren't.
It's just that there were more people saying they were Democrats because Obama was winning the election.
No, for sure.
I just think that with Trump's turnout ability, it's hard to sample that.
For sure.
For sure.
Okay.
Jack, this show is in honor of you, so congrats.
But I don't think we're out of the woods yet, Jack.
So keep that very special picture you have of Josh Shapiro handy.
Oh don't worry folks, don't worry.
I've got more than enough on Josh Shapiro, on Tim Walz, on Mark Kelly, and anybody else who wants to step up and make the very foolish decision of being next to Kamala Harris.
And it's like, It's like, oh, I'm so sorry.
I was supposed to be, like, off enjoying the fact that I got this New York Times bestseller in the same week.
And of course, all the people on the book side are like, Jack, we need you for this interview.
We're doing a book tour down in Texas.
We're doing this big event.
I'm like, no, guys, I'm busy.
What do you mean?
I'm destroying Josh Spear.
I'm very busy right now.
I'll be back to you in a couple of days.
But fine.
Don't worry about it.
We got receipts on all of them.
I want to just play Cut 99 really quick.
This is Tim Walz on C-SPAN.
Play Cut 99.
What's your background, and how did somebody from Nebraska end up in Minnesota?
Yeah, well, my wife's from Minnesota, so she took me there.
Actually, it was based on the educational system in Minnesota was one that we kind of aspired to teach in, so I ended up in southern Minnesota.
My wife's been there for many generations.
And your military background?
I spent 24 years in the National Guard, some of that full-time.
I was an artilleryman.
I deployed in support of Operation Enduring Freedom, my battalion provided.
base security throughout the european theater from turkey to england uh... in the early stages of the war in afghanistan and that same battalion is now in iraq at this time very carefully worded there our guys we got on this fact thanks so much keep on committing thought crimes will see if the wall survives thanks so much thanks so much for listening everybody email us is always freedom at charlie kirk dot com thanks so much for listening
