The Trump Assassination Attempt: Incompetence, or Malevolence? ft. Vivek Ramaswamy, Rep. Cory Mills, Sen. Ron Johnson and Rep. Tom Tiffany
Was the near-fatal attack on Donald Trump the result of incompetence infiltrating the Secret Service? Or were there forces in Trump's protective detail who secretly wanted to put him into a coffin? Former military sniper Rep. Cory Mills gives his professional take on how egregious the Secret Service's failure was and why he is suspicious of the official story, and Vivek Ramaswamy weighs in on the DEI-ification of presidential security. Plus, Charlie interviews Sen. Ron Johnson, the man whose chart possibly saved Trump's life, and also talks to Rep. Tom Tiffany about Trump's special appeal to the people of rural Wisconsin.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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What's up, my man?
How are you?
Yes, good, good, good.
So, Vivek, we haven't connected or talked since Saturday.
I'm still numb over the entire thing.
First, your reaction, and then I really want to dive into the complexities of how this happened.
Yeah, my first reaction was shock, anger.
I talked to President Trump that night, 12.30 a.m.
The guy was up on his way back, and the thing that was shocking to me was the same level of strength and calm you saw on that stage, that we all saw on that stage.
He's going home, responding to text messages, picking up phone calls, and the last thing he says is, you take care of yourself.
He's a guy who's just shot, right?
Water rolls off a duck is the expression.
It's like a bullet rolls off of Donald Trump, and it just gives me... I don't care about what your political beliefs are.
I can't tell you how many friends I had, Charlie, too, and family members who say, you know what?
They might have been ready to vote for him before, but if I see a guy who's that tough in leading this country, yeah, that's the kind of guy I want to get behind.
And so, for me, it was initially a state of shock and anger, and then the second phase was how do we channel that anger to actually Recreate the country that we care about.
And I think we have an opening to do it if that's one silver lining to come out of it.
I mean, you see a guy who gets shot and he then fights his own agents and says, fight, fight, fight.
Let me be very clear.
If you are a man in this country and you don't vote for Donald Trump, you're not a man.
I mean, like, who are you?
You're like, you're not going to vote for that.
You know what, actually after that incident, I see a lot of women manning up to vote for Donald Trump.
Whoever you are, if you're still voting for Joe Biden after that, there's something deeply disturbing and wrong with you.
I mean seriously.
But here's the other thing, because this is important and relevant, especially this week, where I think one of the things I see, the mood is positive, the atmosphere is positive, the polling looked great.
There's a lot of gratitude around here right now.
A lot of gratitude.
A lot of gratitude.
I do think that when you're talking about voting for Joe Biden, let's just play this out.
Obviously, I've been saying for a long time, Joe Biden's not going to be the nominee.
The debate made that evident to a lot of people.
But even more important than the debate was actually what happened in the last few days since Saturday, right?
Because on one hand, Joe Biden now has come out with the national message that we need to tone down the rhetoric.
We need to make sure that we are not vilifying our political opponents.
And yet that is exactly his entire campaign message.
So either he's going to double down and do the exact opposite of what he said he needs to do, or else he doesn't have a campaign message left.
Which is actually one more, and I think even the more powerful reason, even more than the debate for why he just can't end up being the nominee.
What does that mean?
The risk for us is, I don't think it's an accident they waited for this Republican convention to play out before making that decision.
These people think like, they think like calculated Machiavellian planners.
You want full information.
Tell us who the VP is.
Tell us, get your convention energy out of the way.
And then they're going to put up who their nominee is next month.
So I think that a lot of us... The race is going to reset.
Yeah, I mean, people are celebrating and like the race is over.
I think the race has not even begun.
That's kind of my view.
So let's, I want to get into the element here.
You have been a crusader against DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion.
The current head of the Secret Service, who has experience protecting potato chips and Pepsi cans, she wanted to make the Secret Service 30% female.
Talk about the real-life implications, because Vivek, I mean, you are unafraid to ask the tough questions.
When you ran for president, you went there on great replacement.
You went there on the tough stuff.
Vivek, talk about DEI, and then help me understand.
Secret Service had eyes on this guy 30 minutes before.
They did nothing to rush Trump offstage.
Local police did nothing.
How did he get to the roof?
They were in the same building as this.
Was this malevolence or incompetence?
So, look, I think that the incompetence, sadly, across so much of the federal bureaucracy is unsurprising.
There's two different themes here.
I think one's more important than the other, but both we can discuss.
I wasn't aware of the DEI point that you mentioned.
Is that like a fact?
That is correct.
It was her goal.
Yes, the woman who is running the Secret Service, who literally, her experience... What is it, Andrew?
Yes, got it.
Of course.
So 5% of applicants into the Secret Service are female.
She wanted to make it 30%.
Very similar to pilots in United Airlines.
30 by 30.
So she wants 30% of the Secret Service to be female by 2030.
So this is the same... I want to get to the DEI point, but I want to get to the deeper point about bureaucracy.
On the DEI point, this is the same criteria used to select the Vice President of the United States.
So it's not just the person who's in charge of one of these agencies in the Secret Service.
The person who's the Vice President in charge of our border policies, the person who we've put in charge of AI policy, got her job for one reason.
It was for her race and gender.
Now people will say that media doesn't like that characterization.
Well, the reality is, just listen to what the Democrats were saying at the time.
If you go back to listen to Amy Klobuchar, look at other people who ran against her in the week running up to the VP selection.
They say it's time to put a black woman on that ticket, a woman of color on that ticket.
That's exactly what they were saying.
And so this is a pattern we've seen.
Merit and group quotas are incompatible.
Anytime you're setting a group quota that a certain percentage of people need to have some race or gender, that means you have sacrificed merit.
There is no middle ground because there's some other criteria that you're solving for.
Apart from the DEI piece of this though, there's a deeper issue in our country.
And it is the rot of bureaucracy.
The rot of the unelected fourth branch of government.
And I think the fork in the road for us, because I think this is more interesting terrain for us to broach, Charlie, is do we want to get in there and reshape that bureaucracy to achieve positive goals for Americans?
Or do we actually just want to get in there and dismantle it?
And I'm in the camp of we need to get in there and shut it down.
There's no good version of this bureaucracy.
Shutting it down is the answer.
And until we do that, we're not going to be able to save this country.
And our number one way to be able to do it is to put Donald Trump back in the White House because he's ready to act.
I know you were in contention to be the vice presidential selection.
J.D.
Vance is the selection.
Comment on that.
He has a heart for dismantling the administrative state, for restoring the form and the structure of our Constitution, and to put citizens back in charge of the government, not government in charge of citizens.
Well, to take a step back even from policy, J.D.' 's actually been a friend for a really long time.
Two Ohioans, by the way.
By the way, should Vivek be the next senator from Ohio?
I think that would be great.
He's resistant.
I didn't get that question at all yesterday.
The truth is, if I was Intended to run for Senate, I would have run for Senate before, but we live in such a moment right now that everybody's got to look themselves in the mirror and say, how am I going to serve this country in our final hour of saving it?
And so I'm going to have a good conversation with President Trump, and we're going to talk about what way I'm going to have the biggest impact I can on the country.
But on J.D., I want to say this is outside of politics.
He's actually a guy who grew up, my first house where I lived through kindergarten was probably 15 minutes from where he was.
We didn't know each other.
We were classmates in law school, and I didn't know he was a conservative.
He didn't know I was conservative.
So you guys went to Yale together?
Yeah, we watched Bengals games.
We were the only guys cheering for the Cincinnati Bengals back in 2010, 2011.
So you guys would hang out together?
Yeah, we were at a bar.
We would hang out, and we didn't talk politics, funny enough, back then.
And then we discovered in the years later that, hey, he and I were kind of among the lone wolves.
And so you also knew his wife, Usha, as well?
Very well.
She was our classmate.
My wife, Apoorva, lived in the same college that she did a few years ahead.
Our kids are about the same age, so it's not a personal... His son is named Vivek, by the way.
People think it's a joke, but... No, it's actually one of JD's sons is named Vivek.
But the truth is, just on a personal note, just as seeing a friend and a family friend, my first reaction was I was just so proud of him, and we did not imagine... I totally agree.
years ago we're sitting in a bar watching football, neither of us imagined this is where we would be
working together in a different way and hopefully saving the country. So on a personal note, that
was just very, in a like an emotional way, both for my wife, Corbin, I just satisfying to watch
the two of them now lead this country in the way that they're going to be in a position to
on policy. Look, one of the things I love about JD is there's probably a 10% of things that he and I
actually have slightly different views on. And we can talk about this. We agree on 90% of things,
10% of things we disagree on. Even yesterday, I think as recently as yesterday, we were riffing
on each of our speeches at NatCon and some differences of perspective that we have.
That's what we need.
He's energetic, he has a clear-eyed view of an ideology, and he's smart.
Is that too much to ask of a politician?
I don't think it is, but that's what we need more of in American politics.
I think he's going to be a great vice president.
I want to dive deeper into this.
I think it's so important.
There's this new ascendant kind of young gun wing of the Republican Party.
I'm looking at part of it right now.
I just do a talk show.
But I'm happy to just keep doing this.
You guys go do the politics stuff.
I'm going to keep doing this.
There's different lanes.
There's different lanes.
That's right.
So J.D.
There might be some difference between you and he on certain parts, but the diagnosis is identical.
Please go into that.
So the diagnosis is that we prioritized a neoliberal vision for this country above all costs, treating the United States as some kind of economic zone rather than as a nation.
And the thing we agree on, and I think this is the future of the conservative movement, is to recognize that the United States of America is a nation, and that positive nationalist vision is our future.
We grew dependent on an enemy, an adversary for our modern way of life, even for our own military and pharmaceutical supply chain.
dependent on China. That's wrong and nobody from Friedrich von Hayek to a libertarian to a positive
nationalist would say that was a good thing. Same thing with respect to immigration policies. You
have millions of people in this country, many of whom tens of millions are here illegally,
that have no allegiance to the United States of America.
That's a problem and not an economic argument. I think the future question for us as a movement,
and I think it's good for us to confront this in productive ways, is do we want to use the
regulatory apparatus in good ways for American workers and manufacturers?
I respect the view and I think there are compelling arguments for it.
Or do we actually want to get in there and dismantle it and shut it down?
Do we want to turn the left-wing nanny state into a right-wing Pro-worker state.
I think it's a reasonable debate to have.
Or do we want to shut down the nanny state and dismantle it altogether?
So I think that's where things go from here, but we need a smarter, a smarter breed of politician who's able to have that debate in a pro-American way, and to have the deeper commitment of rejecting the neoliberal dogmas of yesterday, which frankly in both parties poisoned this country for a long time.
This convention, more so than any, turns the page on that chapter of our history and moves forward to the real future of America first.
Two thoughts.
J.D.
being the vice president selection is basically the final nail in the coffin of the Bush-Cheney neoliberal regime.
They're done.
It's part of our history.
That is why people were eulogized.
They just couldn't believe it.
They have no influence.
They have no future.
They are done.
Go join the Democrats, and many of them have.
But the more important question, based on what you're saying, is then how do we restrict corporate power?
I think that's actually the great challenge.
The government power isn't, I think, important, but then how are we to restrict the growing Great question, right?
So, I think the growing influence of corporations is a problem because they co-opt the state.
And how do they co-opt the state to do it?
It is through the administrative state, the people who are never elected in the first place.
They do it some through Congress, too.
I don't think you should be allowed to be a lobbyist for at least 10 years after you've left Congress.
I think that's something that Democrats, Republicans, all got to get behind.
That's ending corruption in our government.
But the real way they do it is through the people who write these regulatory fiats.
I don't care if they're at the FTC, the Department of Transportation, CFPB, and I think we have to confront some hard but high quality debates and discussions on our side of the right.
I'm not just talking about the old Republican right, the America First movement, to ask ourselves Do we believe it is possible to reform that regulatory state?
And I'm just in the camp, Charlie, where I don't believe that that reform is possible.
I think we got to slash and burn it and burn the ashes.
And if we cut too much, fine, then maybe we add some of it back.
But I would rather do that first than trying to reshape the whole thing.
So that I think we roll this forward four years, five years, 10 years.
That's what we're going to be debating.
30 seconds.
The president has power to do that without Congress.
You came on my podcast and talked about that.
Yes.
And J.D.
Vance will be a very important number two to help make sure that happens.
Amen.
He's going to be an outstanding vice president and I think America First is at a dawn, right?
This is a movement that is still in the early stages of its dawn.
It's the crack of dawn we saw this week.
And I think by the time it's into Trump's second term, it's going to be high noon in this country.
Vivek Ramaswamy, God bless, man.
Thank you, man.
When are you speaking, by the way?
Tonight, actually.
8.30 p.m.
Eastern.
Speaking tonight.
We'll be watching, man.
We're doing things a little differently tonight.
Vivek, thanks so much.
Good seeing you, man.
Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
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Joining us now is Cory Mills.
Congressman Mills, great to see my man.
Great to see you.
So, Congressman, From here to the Trade Hotel, I'm told, is approximately 120 yards.
Is that about right?
That's about right.
So you're a former Army sniper.
Am I categorizing that correctly?
I was a former 82nd and part of the Joint Special Operations Command.
I was a former counter-sniper and advance team leader of a Department of State team.
Okay, so a lot of experience.
How tough is that shot if you were to go right up there to here?
Look, I want to understand the fact that I can take anyone out of this audience right now who's never picked up a rifle, pull a rifle out of your standard Walmart that is not a manufactured rifle for a sniper capability, and within 10 minutes I can make that 9 out of 10 times for a person who's never picked up a rifle.
This is how simplistic that actual shot is and why I say about the divine intervention and the fact of how lucky a millisecond and a millimeter would have changed the outcome of this.
But this critical failure, this malice, negligence, this dereliction of duty, at a minimum, Chito needs to resign.
If not, I'm going to utilize the Homan Rule to take her salary down to $1 and ask her to leave.
I texted Speaker Johnson today and I said, I want to head a J13 commission.
I want a full investigation away from the FBI, who is the corrupt deep state, who has continued to try and violate our rights and liberties, who violated it 287,000 times, utilizing FISA as their excuse.
I want a proper investigation.
The J13, you want to talk about dangerous rhetoric?
They tried to go ahead and imprison and vilify President Trump over J6 when he said go home peacefully.
You have President Biden who said it's time to put a bullseye on Trump.
That's now not incitement of violence.
That doesn't deserve a J13 select commission to go after the exact same things.
Stop playing defense.
Start playing offense in the Republican movement.
We have to understand that we almost lost the President of the United States.
You don't come any closer to death.
But his reaction should basically empower every single American.
Look, he didn't rise in cowardice fear.
He rose in defiance.
And this is a man who doesn't need this job.
This is a man who says, I'm not, you know, they're not after me.
They're after you.
I'm just in the way.
He's willing to take a bullet because he believes in when he says fight, fight, fight.
That's fight for our liberties.
That's fight for our rights.
That's fight for our Constitution.
I gotta take a step back here.
So, you have been in executive protection counter-snipering.
So, this is a question I've not yet had anyone address.
From what I understand, again, this is layman of the layman's.
No experience whatsoever.
However, I'm a pretty good shot, but not great.
I actually believe you are.
Yeah, I'm a pretty good shot, but again, I'm a layman.
Bear hunter and, you know, deer hunter, but that's about it.
So, When is it ever appropriate to go back off of scope if you are a counter sniper?
Never.
Walk the audience through what I'm talking about.
So the only time that you would ever come off scope is when you get what they call eye fatigue.
You do get the point where you sit under magnification for so long that your eye will twitch.
But that is why you have a spotter.
How long?
30 minutes?
45 minutes?
It's different for each shooter, right?
And how long you've actually been out there, the conditions of the day, etc.
What kind of glance and glare you have.
But the point is that's why you have a spotter.
when you're not on scope, he is on scope.
The fact that you had two sniper systems there meant that there should always be someone there.
And when we talk about setting a perimeter, the advanced team's failure to acknowledge 160 yards away,
that's perfectly adjacent to a stage who has a clear line of sight, overwatch,
and an elevated position, that is a perfect shot for any individual.
I got to interrupt, though.
We're getting closer to uncharted, like very dangerous territory here, and scary.
Were there people that wanted Donald Trump dead that didn't do their job?
Can I just be completely honest about what I believe?
Because I just say it the way I say it.
There is such negligence here that I pray and I hope that that's exactly what it was, is a complete failure in the cooperation and coordination of local law enforcement and other agencies.
But the more that I look at this, as much as I don't want to be this conspiracist to say it's intent, I'm just going to go ahead and say this.
First, they wanted to silence and censor him.
Then they wanted to indict and prison him.
Now they've tried to kill him.
We need to start having a proper investigation, so at minimum...
We can share with the American people with confidence that this was just negligence and that we've made a correction.
I hope so.
I pray it was a bunch of dumb people.
But, Corey, breaking news today.
But look, D-E-I means D-I-E.
I agree.
And by the way, we've been warning against that.
But breaking news today, the Secret Service had eyes on this guy 30 minutes ahead of time.
They knew he was there.
They saw him with a rifle.
How do I explain that?
I mean, do the Secret Service want Trump to get shot?
Look, at the end of the day, I don't think that his personal protective detail wants it.
They were great people.
I talked to Eric Trump.
But let me just say this, Eric.
Let me say this real quick, Charlie.
The bottom line is that 26 minutes on a rooftop, a law enforcement officer who actually encountered him on the roof that he pointed a rifle at, why would that not have an emergency comms freak For everyone that's involved to be able to say, shoot her on the roof, shoot her on the roof, shoot her on the roof, immediately grab the president, get him down and get him out of there.
This right here is the biggest failure and massive security breach that America has seen in four decades.
We cannot tolerate this.
This is beyond unacceptable.
It's a humiliation.
But 26 minutes, again, I want it to be just a bunch of incompetence, but It's just, you have to wonder, was there a subtle, like, ah, just don't do your job?
You know what?
I just don't understand, again, the failures on the advance team.
Look, when you do stage set and settlement, when you do the tight shots, that's one part of it.
But when you look at the perimeters, they keep saying, oh, it's outside the perimeter.
The advance team and the sniper teams established a perimeter.
160 yards is such a close shot.
That's not inside your perimeter.
But also, there's a water tower only a couple hundred yards away that they don't want to talk about.
The CNN tried to block me from talking about today.
That was also an opportunity that was not blocked.
Address the camera.
I like allowing the audience to be a part of that, but the bottom line is that, you know, look, We had multiple areas that could have been positioned in an overwatch oversight position that would have prevented this and let's just say for a moment let's go on the negligence part let's say it was a resource issue all right at a minimum you could have put a police car that's locked with its lights on sitting in the parking lot that could have been a deterrence
They didn't even do that.
You could have coordinated with AGR, the actual employer, and said, is it possible for you to go ahead and minimize the actual employees in and out of the traffic today?
Could we put someone on the roof?
Can we find a permissible climbing area and put an officer on the ground to prevent it?
This is what was failures.
How did he get on the roof?
That's still to be determined in the investigation.
Do you think we're going to find an answer to that?
I will get an answer to that.
But how high was that roof?
I couldn't tell you how high it is.
I would imagine that's probably a 12 to 16 foot if it's an actual commercial building.
Did he take a ladder out of his car?
Or there's one that was outside that was already there.
What do you mean out?
What does that mean?
Like someone staged a ladder for him?
No, no.
Well, I mean, I never say anything.
It's never.
But what I would say is that, you know, when people do maintenance, when they're changing out lights, things like that, sometimes the maintenance people will actually prop up a ladder somewhere else outside of the area if they don't want to put it away or they're being lazy.
I'm trying to find an excuse to not call this anything other than negligence, but my experience, my background, what I've done in my life leads me to believe that this is more than just negligence.
That's your gut?
My gut tells me that we need to do a full investigation outside of the actual government themselves who are actually trying to be responsible, like the FBI or the agencies.
We need to remove the heads.
We need to remove those who are actually in charge of this.
And we need to get a real investigation for the American people for transparency.
Nothing hidden.
There is a third option, which is a blend of both, which is you put bad people in place to make mistakes so you don't have somebody to blame.
Plausible deniability.
Right.
So you have a bunch of incompetent DEI hires.
And you know they're not going to do their job because they're a bunch of morons, right?
That's why you just talked about the 30 for 30, right?
Exactly.
So the Secret Service woman, her background is defending Pepsi-Cola and potato chips.
You just have a bunch of incompetent people.
We all know that the president's a Coca-Cola drinker, so that's a problem.
Yeah, exactly.
And there's no way that you could ever, you know, get to the bottom of it or prove it because you have a bunch of misfits defending the president.
Look, do I think that We're going to get clear evidence and transparency from the Secret Service.
They're destroying evidence right now.
But at the end of the day, what I think needs to happen is every photo, every video, every eyewitness, everyone, because there was two people who apparently took photos and turned it over to local law enforcement.
All of these individuals should be brought before us to testify so the American people can see.
Because here's what we want.
We want to kill any idea that this is a conspiracy of intent.
And we need to have accountability.
We need to have transparency for the American people that are watching here and watching, you know, in person.
I'm right there with you.
I want this to come out and be like this was a bunch of people that 30 minutes beforehand they saw the shooter and they said, oh shooter.
I don't know what that means.
I hope that's what we find out.
Well, when you're looking through a 4.5x14x50 scope, and you can see the buttons on his shirt at 160 yards, it's hard for me to say that he wasn't anything other than ill-intended.
Yeah, so by the way, the counter-sniper team, once they see him, why don't they say, get the president off stage?
Again, we need to see if there was recordings or tapes of communications.
How many layers are we just going to keep on saying incompetence, right?
Oh, no drone.
Incompetence.
Didn't clear the roof.
Incompetence.
Didn't protect the building.
Incompetence.
No... Outside the perimeter.
The counter sniper goes off scope.
Incompetence.
Uh, they don't, they don't pull them off scope.
Well, I heard the recent one.
They were on a sloped roof.
Let me be clear with you.
I've shot on uneven platforms and grounds many times.
In the battlefield, believe it or not, they don't give you a flat, steady trajectory.
Oh, you mean they don't, they don't give you a stage like this?
Yeah, they don't clean it off and they don't lay a rug down for you.
I mean, I know that everyone thinks snipers are prima donnas.
But no, the reality is this.
That's why you have bipods that you can actually make equal.
To try and guarantee yourself, like a Harris S-Series, you know, S-Bipod.
So the point is, is that there isn't room for excuses when a president was nearly assassinated.
There needs to be answers, not excuses.
I hope so.
Do we have assurances that they're not going to try to kill him again?
There's never an assurance of anything.
There's never an assurance that any elected official isn't going to be targeted.
But we have to get back to the humanistic qualities of understanding.
You can disagree politically and ideology.
I love verbal pugilism, but that doesn't result in violence where you're actually taking someone's life.
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I'm gonna ask to be waived on if that's not a committee of jurisdiction.
I sit on the armed services.
I've done this before because I was in Afghanistan that helped to rescue Americans as well as for Israel and Haiti.
And so James Comer has actually waved me on to Oversight before to be able to testify as an experienced witness.
Which committee is this?
They're coming from Oversight?
I would imagine this is going to be from Oversight or Judiciary or one of those.
So Jim Jordan will be chairing it?
Jim Jordan or James Comer, one of those.
And it will be televised?
All of it should be on C-SPAN as it should.
I don't think any of this should be put behind closed doors.
The American people deserve the facts.
They pay for our time as taxpayers.
They should be able to see all the evidence themselves.
And the...
But by the grace of God, Donald Trump still lives.
It is by the grace of God, and I'll tell you, this is why I believe in the idea of divine intervention.
This is why I look at Ephesians 6 when you don the armor of God, and he was shot at 611.
When you think about things, I want everyone to understand, we are a nation that was founded upon our Christian and Judaic beliefs for our constitutional rights to protect inalienable rights, not government and provided privileges.
We will continue to maintain that.
I believe that we're constantly being looked over, but I don't think people will ever understand that that's as close to death as you'll ever come when you talk about millimeters and milliseconds of change that resulted in not an attempt, but an assassination.
And your reaction to how the media was covering this?
CNN said that he fell hard.
Well, that's like saying that, you know, Hiroshima was a loud firework.
I mean, look, it's absolutely insulting to when they make these types of rhetorics as opposed to
calling it what it is. However, if that would have been a reversed analogy and that would
have been a Democrat, you know, candidate, they would have immediately said the right wing
MAGA crowd has tried to rhetoric this to a point where it's putting us at risk. This is where we
must take back the narrative. We've always controlled the facts, but we've allowed them to take
the narrative because we've been defensive, not offensive. We've been continuing to try and
act as if we are the majority, but we're not the majority until you actually act upon it.
Saying it is not the same thing.
Responsibility is not the same as accountability.
Me going, hey, mea culpa, I apologize, is not the same as me being held before the rug and removed from my position and being looked at potential crimes.
We have to start doing our jobs.
That's what the American people elect us to do.
Not to be a politician who gets on the stage and talks about things and then goes back and goes, well, I would have, should have, could have.
I've rescued 500 people.
I will always go into the actual wrong areas and we will fight, fight, fight, as President Trump said.
I speak for the audience.
You need to unleash hell on the Secret Service.
I'm going to unleash hell on all those responsible.
And do not let this go.
Get to the bottom of this.
We were, as I'll say it again, an inch and a half away from this country maybe not existing in its current form.
Amen.
God bless you, man.
God bless you.
We have your back.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
Give it up for Congressman Mills.
Great work.
We have Senator Ron Johnson joining us in a second here from his home state of Wisconsin.
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Senator, great to see you.
Thank you.
Welcome.
Nice to see you.
Thank you.
And love being in the state of Wisconsin.
So Senator, I'm saying this to every one of our guests, I'm still numb after the events on Saturday.
Where were you and what is your reaction?
I was sitting by the beautiful shores of Lake Winnebago and getting a text, the President's been shot.
Fortunately we have the internet, you go right on there, you start seeing the video and It was horrific when you see the video and then all of a sudden, what, a minute, minute and a half, he's popping up and you breathe a sigh of relief.
Still not 100% sure.
I mean, is it, you know, how serious is the wound?
Unbelievable, you know, his reaction.
But I'll tell you, Charlie, once I saw him, I assumed he was okay.
One of the first thoughts that went through my mind is, he didn't have to do this.
I know.
He didn't have to in 2016, but he loves this country.
That's why he loves this country.
He realizes how stupid so many things are, and he has proven that he can do something better.
But particularly running again in 2024, he knew the vilification.
I don't think he possibly could have ever contemplated the extent that Joe Biden weaponized the government against him.
He knew he was risking his life.
And so now he narrowly escaped death.
had the tragedy of a heroic American losing his life protecting his family.
So long drawn out point that I'm making is there's no way that incident didn't change
him.
That's a life changing event.
And I personally, because I've been saying for the last two years, as much as our debt
and deficit is a threat to this nation, right now our greatest threat is the fact that we
are horribly divided.
There's no reason for it.
I mean, we all share the same goals.
We love this country as Americans.
We want safety.
We want security.
We want enough opportunity.
So why don't we try unifying and healing this nation?
We've got enormous challenges.
That's what President Trump, I think, is going to do.
He's going to use this moment.
What does that look like when Joe Biden is playing it both ways?
Joe Biden right now says that he wants to calm down the temperature.
He's still sending out advertisements saying we're MAGA extremists.
They call us akin to fascism.
you know, grappling with and solving these enormous challenges.
What does that look like when Joe Biden is playing it both ways? Joe Biden right now says
that he wants to calm down the temperature. He's still sending out advertisements saying
we're MAGA extremists. They call us akin to fascism. There's news publications that say
we're, you know, the Third Reich. It seems a little insincere coming from the Democrats.
Well, it's beyond disappointing.
Let's face it, eight times during his inaugural address, and I was on the podium, and he's saying his number one goal is to unify and heal this nation.
Okay, Mr. President, you're sincere about that?
You've got an ally.
He's done the exact opposite.
I know that.
And who knows if this is rhetoric that just got, you know, staffers putting that out.
I would like to think he's sincere.
I know President Trump is sincere, but we have to do that.
I mean, it was Lincoln that said, a house divided against itself cannot stand.
That's true.
And it truly is a threat to this nation.
We've got to heal and unify.
Somebody's got to be the adult in the room.
I guess it's going to have to be us.
Senate oversight standpoint, has there been any indication by the current Senate Majority Leader, hopefully not for much longer, Chuck Schumer, that the Senate will conduct any oversight into what happened on July 13th?
So no, I used to chair the Senate Homeland Security Government Affairs Committee.
We have jurisdiction over the Secret Service, partial jurisdiction.
Gary Peters, Democrat.
From Michigan.
From Michigan.
He has announced with Senator Rand Paul that we actually will do an investigation, we'll conduct oversight.
Now, we'll see how serious he is in terms of what his demands are.
I've already issued a letter, a record preservation letter, with a host of questions that need to be answered.
We'll see if he follows suit by subpoenaing those records or issuing a similar type of record preservation letter.
I'm cynical on this until we get President Trump elected again, God willing, is that no one was fired after Afghanistan.
No one was fired for handling of COVID.
No one was fired from the Hunter Biden laptop.
You were awesome on all three issues.
The Secret Service doesn't seem humiliated by this.
She's treating this like it's a PR problem and an HR problem instead of a national security threat and a humiliation to our country.
We'll see what the investigation reveals, but this is an obvious failure on the part of Secret Service.
We're hearing, and it's reasonable to assume this because President Biden appointed all these people, not to run their agencies for the mission that they've established for, but for DEI, for equity.
So it sounds like that's exactly what this Director of the Secret Service was all about.
So more focused on DEI than actually accomplishing the mission.
There's all kinds of rumors swirling in terms of requests made for beefed up security, you know,
detailing the secret service agents Diverted for Dr. Jill Biden as opposed to President Trump.
I don't know, we'll find out what the truth is But we got those rumors swirling
We need to get to the bottom of that.
So the agency is going to have to do the investigation.
Congress doesn't have that kind of detailed investigatory capability, but they must be 100% transparent.
They have to preserve all records.
That means of their investigation, as well as all the communication for the last couple of years about this.
We have to delve into this deeply.
I hope it was incompetence.
I really do.
I hope that these people just didn't know what they were doing, and I really hope that that's what the result is.
Yeah, but let's face it.
RFK Jr., if there's ever been an assassination potential, he was begging for Secret Service protection.
He had incidents of security breaches that potentially threatened his life, and Biden refused To provide him Secret Service protection, although it's been granted to other people in the past.
Trump forced his hand.
I appreciate President Trump called for it, and now I think this is actually being granted.
And so, this is a time for unity and for coming together.
We are here in your home state of Wisconsin.
You know this state better than anybody else.
It is the most difficult state to poll in the country.
Would you agree with that?
Absolutely.
Why is that?
Maybe Wisconsinites don't trust pollers.
So many counties, maybe?
But first, pay no attention to the polls.
I mean, I've been in close races.
One of them I was down 16 points.
The last run I was supposedly up 7 points.
I've never believed the polls.
It's going to be a tight race.
Walker, unfortunately, lost by about 30,000.
Biden won by about 20,000.
I won last time.
26,000.
So again, it's going to be a tight race.
We've got to work our tail off and we've got to do everything we can to make sure the other side doesn't cheat.
What do you feel on the ground here?
A lot of enthusiasm.
Our Republican Party is unified.
The fact that Democrat policies are destroying this nation, that's unifying.
The debate further unified us.
What happened on Saturday, that sealed the deal.
We are 100% unified.
So now, We can take that unity and try and expand it to the American population.
So across the state of Wisconsin, you've run so many successful races by going to every county, knowing every mayor running through this.
What is the advice of what President Trump needs to do to deliver this state?
Especially now, do you think J.D.
Vance adds a little bit of a wrinkle to potentially help this?
All they have to do is really go into their pockets, whether it's Milwaukee or Madison.
Remember, Toomey always used to talk about Pennsylvania.
You've got Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, with Alabama in between.
We're somewhat similar.
So Democrats can mine most of their votes in a couple cities.
We've got to go to every burg.
So you have to have the ground game.
But I'd love to see President Trump come down here, hold a rally in Milwaukee, like he did in the Bronx, and appeal to every Wisconsinite.
I'd love it.
In a diverse way, because he is, and he was, and he will be the president for every American, lifting every American up, providing opportunity for every American.
Senator Johnson, thank you.
The road to the White House goes through Wisconsin in many different ways.
It's incredibly important that we not just win this state, but work our tail off.
I know Turning Point recognizes that.
You've got a good ground in operation.
We're investing heavily here.
I see you guys all over the state, so thank you for your efforts as well.
We're going to have a couple hundred people full-time on the ground here, just chasing ballots.
We're following your lead.
You've won the state in the most adverse circumstances.
Let me think about it.
It was 2010, 2016, 2022, right?
Right.
And Russ Feingold twice, and then Mandela Barnes the last time?
Is that right?
Right.
Am I right with the names?
Yeah, that should not have been as close as it was.
The one in 2022?
Yeah.
Oh, I know.
He was a communist.
But that just shows you how tough it is.
They poured a lot of money into this state.
But Senator, thank you so much.
God bless you.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Yes, so you are from far north Wisconsin.
And from what I remember looking at the map is it's all red, but there is some blue.
Is that Native American reservation up there?
Like a little bit?
No, we got Minneapolis liberals that came up and moved to far northern Wisconsin.
Yes.
Yeah.
So it's mostly red up there?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We've made it all red.
So when I went into the state Senate back in 2012, it had been 30 years since we had had a Republican.
Since then, we've turned everything red.
And so, your district is what?
R plus 10?
R plus 15?
Yeah.
And you have Green Bay?
Is that right?
No, I'm a little bit north of Green Bay.
North of Green Bay!
And that district is a classic Trump district in that Democrat had it for 40 years before Sean Duffy in 2010.
We have now turned it completely red.
The Green Bay district?
The Green Bay one?
The far north one where I'm at.
The 7th Congressional.
Obama won it easily, I remember, by almost 13 points, right?
That is correct.
And Donald Trump just has completely changed that.
Completely turned it.
So what are you hearing on the ground versus other elections?
Is Trump's more energy for Trump than 2020?
Yeah, I think the energy is really good for President Trump up by us.
I mean, people understand.
Here's what voters are saying to me, Charlie.
They're saying, what about me?
What about me?
What are you guys going to do for me?
Because the last three and a half years, nothing good's been happening for me.
I mean, we just had a double murder in my county, or one of my counties.
An illegal immigrant here that ICE has not removed and the local police chief, he said that ICE will not come there anymore after 2020.
That's as a result of the Biden policies.
When was this?
Just happened in the last week.
So an American was murdered, double murder?
Two children murdered by an illegal immigrant.
On top of that, I mean, this stuff is happening all over the country, including in rural northern Wisconsin.
What was the illegal doing up in northern Wisconsin?
That is a good question.
Should be removed.
That was the point of the police chief's message.
He said, ICE will not come and remove people anymore.
This is the problem with the Biden border crisis.
We have to secure the border.
It is the number one thing I believe President Trump needs to do.
And then he needs to remove people that came here, in particular, that came during the Biden years.
So, your district voted for Trump by 20 in 2020.
Is it possible for Trump to win by 25 or even 30?
I believe it's possible to win by higher margins.
I've been pushing my numbers up, steadily higher, election after election.
Our goal is to add another couple percentage points on.
That could win the whole state.
That could win the state.
That's why we're focused.
I'm going to work on my election, Charlie, but the most important thing we can do is win Wisconsin's 10 electoral votes.
That's what we're focused on.
So, Wisconsin is an interesting state because about half of the state votes by mail, half votes in person.
Is that about right?
Yeah, it was during COVID.
Has mail gone down?
It dropped a little bit now in 2022.
Yep.
And so, but it's not mass mail-in voting where I would say that in Wisconsin versus other states, it's harder to cheat in Wisconsin than Michigan.
But a recent decision by the Wisconsin Supreme Court now allows drop boxes.
Walk us through what that means.
So by allowing the drop boxes, and the important thing is they're unattended, Charlie.
So in other words, you can have people dropping off ballots whenever they want to.
And what we're concerned about is the ballot harvesters are out there.
The Democrats have maxed areas like Dane County, which is Madison.
They've really maxed their turnout.
90-95% of the people are voting.
And that's because they're out harvesting.
And they use the drop boxes as the place that they can drop them.
And so what can we do to prevent widespread fraud?
Here's one of the things I think can be done.
Sheriffs around the country, you have the authority to investigate crime.
Voting illegally is a crime.
Why have sheriffs been so afraid to look into this?
I don't know, but I'm hearing that some sheriffs around the country are now going to take action.
Are they in your district?
We're hoping that they're going to, in Wisconsin, not just my district, but in Wisconsin, are going to say, we will not accept illegal activities in our county, including voting illegally.
Yeah, the sheriff issue is really important.
It is.
In closing here, what are you going to be demanding from the Secret Service after Trump got shot this last weekend?
Um, we want reform.
We want reform.
This, by the way, and this is just the tip of the iceberg out in the swamp in Washington, D.C.
Well, this is what everybody is focused on.
This is why we need reform in Washington, D.C.
It's why we need Donald Trump in for his second term.
We need fundamental reform of the swamp out in Washington, D.C., including the intelligence agencies.
The other part in Wisconsin is that there was really shady behavior coming out of nursing homes.
You remember that?
Yes.
Has there been any reforms to try to fix that from happening?
The legislature tried to pass bill after bill.
The governor vetoed them.
So they're just going to cheat again.
So we sure, that's where the sheriffs could come in.
