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July 8, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Will Feminists Embrace The Draft
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Hey everybody, I recently went back on the show Whatever, which is quite an interesting show with mostly female guests and a male host, some of which that are involved in some rather not-so-great things.
They post naked pictures of themselves online, all that weird stuff.
Anyway, we talked about first, should women sign up for the draft?
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Do you consider yourself a feminist?
Starting with you, go ahead.
I feel like that word has been so misconstrued.
For example, like, feminism has given rights to even, like, men who have had S.A.
in the past, and they're able to speak up on it now, or... Feminism?
Feminism, it... It's a sexual S.A.
Oh, okay, I got it.
Yeah.
You know, I got it.
No, I'm just trying to keep up with the lingo.
Yeah, so men who have experienced that, you know, women at one point weren't able to visit the hospital without their husband and now it's given patient privacy in the sense that... Wait, women?
Hold on.
Women were not allowed to get health care from a hospital.
Without their male counterpart.
They had like a limb chopped off back in the farming days or something.
I'm sure they had emergencies.
They couldn't go to a hospital?
I'm sure they had emergency, but in terms of checkups.
This is a new feminist talking point I've heard, that women were barred from getting treated by a doctor in a hospital.
Without a man?
Yeah.
I think it's called patient privacy rights.
I think you just kind of manifested this out of nowhere.
Oh no, I searched it up before I got here.
Women were barred from getting...
Medical care.
Yes.
That's a new feminist talking point.
However, let me finish.
Go ahead.
Just that one point.
I don't believe in a lot of modern feminist ideals.
I don't think men are worse than women.
I don't think women are better than men.
All that stuff.
So do you consider yourself a feminist?
Honestly, at this point in time, no.
Okay.
What about you?
That's a nice easy answer, yes.
Okay.
I think I'm just neutral on that topic.
Well, you kind of didn't want to react to the clip there.
You're neutral.
Okay, let me ask you a question to perhaps help things along.
Do you believe in a patriarchy?
That there is a patriarchy?
Into the mic, if you can.
Oh, I don't know.
You don't know?
Did you take any, like, feminist studies or sociology classes at university?
No.
Okay.
Do you think men run America?
No.
Okay.
Do you... I don't know.
I mean, I guess there's more, like, men, like, in positions.
I guess there's more men, like, in position.
Okay, and do you think that that's a problem?
Do you think there should be a movement towards egalitarian... Equalizing it, yeah.
I think it could go both ways.
Like, if a woman wants to step up, then... Sure.
Yeah.
It's a bit of a non-answer, but so... Do you think there ought to be a movement towards egalitarianism and equality in all realms?
And do you think the current social order, at least through the feminist standpoint of there's this patriarchy, do you think we ought to dismantle a patriarchy, if there is one?
I mean, I think in the end, like, it could be equal, but I don't know.
Okay.
What about you?
So, can we define what you're using the word feminist?
My understanding was that women should have equal access to rights in pursuit of happiness sort of thing, but I could be wrong on my definition.
Oh yeah, there's different... There's second and third way feminism.
Yeah, there's different... First, second, and third way.
I can define it if you want.
Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you.
Yeah, so first wave feminism would be like the Equal Rights Amendment.
No, going back for that.
Universal suffrage, that women should be able to vote.
Second wave feminism was like Gloria Steinemann, where she wrote The Feminist Mystique, where she was rather nasty in her writing, saying that women are in a prison cell called the home and barefoot and pregnant.
But that led to a lot of women in the workforce and a lot of career advancement for women, for positive or negative.
Third wave feminism is that any inequity that we see between men or women is inherently wrong.
So that, for example, if you have modeling, women should not earn more than men, and men should not earn more than
women.
If there's any inequity, third wave feminism is very much as, I forgot your name, I'm sorry.
Karina?
Karina, you said it's rooted in a hatred of men more than the advancement of women.
That's third wave feminism.
Second wave feminism is more of a critique that.
Thanks.
I didn't know the history well enough.
Hating men is wrong and stupid.
We need them.
If you don't like them, we need them.
and that women should be allowed to be liberated beyond that.
I'm generalizing, but that's first, second, and third wave feminism.
So first wave feminism goes back to the passing of universal suffrage and all that.
So I hope that's helpful.
Thank you.
Thanks.
I didn't know the history well enough.
Hating men is wrong and stupid.
We need them.
If you don't like them, we need them.
So that's weird.
And then I think it's a shame if anybody – I like a world where people can do what they
want and that's a shame that people have been told that being a stay-at-home mother,
all these other things, having children is lesser than.
Because it's not.
It's just different.
And it's not lesser than.
So I believe that's wrong too, so I guess it'd be a no.
Can I ask a question?
Do you guys think that women, if we were to get into a war, should be enlisted in the draft?
No.
No.
Does anybody think you should?
Because this is currently being debated in front of the Congress right now, the Senate.
Senate Democrats are pushing to say that men and women, if we were to get into a time of a draft, which we had back during Vietnam, both should be drafted into war.
Does anyone think that that should happen?
That's how the Israeli army operates.
True.
Right?
But they don't necessarily put them at the front lines.
Well, I think Charlie was speaking about the United States.
I know.
But no, you're right.
The IDF does have it.
Yeah, I'm comparing two together.
I wouldn't want to personally.
Okay, good.
How about any war, no war?
No war.
I can get back to you.
Why are you torn?
I mean, are they going to pass the same physical standards?
Because then there'll just be fewer of them because of virtual sexual dimorphism.
They're accommodated for female fitness standards.
When military activity requires less physical strength and is more sort of hacking and flying drones from a building, perhaps the women's military service could be But does anyone think that women should be sheltered from the horrors of war and men should lead into the nastiest, ugliest things for society on behalf of society?
It's a big question.
It's actively being debated right now.
And the reason I ask is because feminism, if it's implemented at its core premise, is they want equal outcomes, but then also equal treatment.
Which is that if we go to war, women have to go storm Normandy Beach next time too, not just men.
That's a good point.
Anybody?
I want you guys to answer that question, but let's actually get the answer to, are you a feminist?
I think so.
Okay.
Did you answer this?
Yes or no?
We can just get a yes or no.
Yeah.
I don't know if you answered it.
No, not a feminist.
Yes.
Yes.
A little louder, please.
Yes.
Yeah.
No.
I am not a feminist.
Not a feminist.
Charlie, feminist!
Whatever the opposite is, that's what I am.
Okay.
I mean, I love women, and I think women have a beautiful place to play in society, but Especially third-way feminism is a toxin on society.
I think also the degradation of stay-at-home motherhood has been really, really dangerous and destructive for our society.
It should be celebrated as an option for women.
Sure.
And back to Charlie's question, so going around the table, so this is something that's currently being contemplated.
I think, so, my understanding is they're also, instead of men having to register for the Selective Service, they're just automatically... Yeah, so that's right.
Everyone automatically gets enrolled, male or female.
Male and female.
And it passed the House, but it goes to the... Well, they're debating it in the Senate Armed Services Committee, and it very well might pass, which is just... I'm just curious what young ladies think of the perspective of maybe having to go into the military at a time of war.
So the question is, do you think women ought to be drafted?
or required to- Or protected from the draft, which would be my position.
A lot of conflict going on.
So do you think women ought to be subject to forced military conscription, aka the draft,
aka the selective service?
We'll just go around the table.
That's a great way to say it.
What about you?
I wouldn't say- Can you strain your mic a little bit?
Sure.
I wouldn't say that they should.
Perfect.
However, perhaps they have to have a more concrete role in their place, either at home
or if they choose to serve the country, to do it in a way where it's not at the front
lines.
Thanks.
Can I interrupt?
But the front lines argument, I think, is a little bit disingenuous.
Because a drone operator is not the front lines, but you could kill more people as a drone operator.
So the question is, should we shield women from the ugliest front line massacre situations that we can imagine?
I would say to reach optimal results, if we're speaking on war, then yes.
Yes, women should be drafted?
Yes, we should shield women from the draft.
I want you also to think, sorry to interrupt, beyond results too, do we have a moral obligation to protect women from bullets, missiles, and artillery shells?
It's an interesting question.
Not the missiles.
The other stuff I'm fine with, but the missiles, I think they can get the missiles.
Go ahead.
I don't think women should be drafted because, at the end of the day, it wouldn't really help the war in any much way.
Like you said, the Jones— Whoa, that's a really sexist statement of you to make.
No, because, like, I'm making front-line physical, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
Whereas, if you're saying, oh, should they have a place in the war?
Yeah, I feel like if a woman wants to be, would be in the war.
Yeah.
We're talking about force, though, right?
Yeah, no force, but if a woman... I feel like they definitely have a role in the war.
A good, smart, intelligent woman can definitely advance the war for our side, but you shouldn't just draft any and every woman in the terms of equality, you know?
Wait, you shouldn't?
In terms of... Yes.
Wouldn't that not be equality then?
Yeah, it wouldn't be equality in terms of a war, but I'm okay with that.
But didn't you say you were a feminist?
Yeah, I said that was an easy answer.
I'm a feminist.
But like he said, there's so many... Yeah, there's so many nuances and so many things with feminism where I don't agree with everything he... Like if he says, are you that type of feminist that he just described?
No, of course not.
Wait, which, the type of feminist that's for actual equality?
Like the third wave, you mean?
Yeah, I'm not third wave, or even second wave to its full extent.
Well, what about the feminists that, in pursuit of equality, want women to be drafted?
Which is very few, I think, to be honest.
It's mostly men that are actually pushing for it in the Democratic Party.
Yeah, exactly.
I don't think many women want that either.
And by the way, sorry to interrupt.
I don't mean to interrupt.
The women of America are largely silent on this.
And for as much people hate Donald Trump, he was the one that said women will never be drafted.
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Uh, just going around the table, do you think women should be subject to military conscription?
That's the original.
Um, I think if they have, like, like, attributes that will proceed, then, like, then I think they should, but if it's... Well, it would just be a blanket general, uh, draft.
So, like, you're 20, correct?
You're eligible.
You would be eligible for the draft.
Yeah, like, if I wanted to, then.
Not if you wanted to.
But, like, being forced?
Yeah, forced.
That's in Vietnam, or World War II.
Every person.
Every able-bodied person.
How would you feel about going to war?
I mean, like, I wouldn't want to, but... Like, if we go to war with Kazakhstan tomorrow, you're there.
You're in Kazakhstan.
Are you?
I'm with Specky.
Oh, okay.
Wait, is there conflict?
No, it's just funny.
Oh, okay.
It was so random.
I don't know.
I didn't want to... Anyways.
Yeah, that was pretty politically neutral, I guess.
Sorry, what was that, Nick?
You wanted to pull something up?
But so, yes in favor of the draft for women or no, not in favor?
I just think if everyone does go to war, then, like, everyone goes to war.
Okay, what about you?
I look at it from a biological standpoint.
Like, if you think about animal husbandry, after war you tend to need to repopulate, right?
You have a lot of death.
So sperm is abundant.
Uterus is busy for about a year, a little less, right?
So when you do animal husbandry, you tend to need more females than a male.
Oddly, we have a 50-50 sex ratio.
I don't think anybody really understands why, because it probably shouldn't be.
But that said, I think losing uteruses to war death is probably long-term more damaging from a society.
So even if you hate men, like men, hate women, love women, you probably don't want to sacrifice the uterus people when you're gonna need them.
The uterus people?
The women, right?
Because you're gonna need them to repopulate.
So I would not like a female draft.
Well, let's assume, like, the draft You know, on a micro level, I think that argument makes sense, but on the macro level, what's 50,000?
You know?
And you're a pilot, you'd be frontline bombing.
Yeah!
Just dropping them from above.
But let me ask you, would you feel as if it's consistent with your nature to get in a plane and drop bombs?
No.
I would not enjoy that.
If I was drafted and it was my service, I would do it because I love my country, but I would prefer not to.
Well, there's been an attack.
They had female pilots.
You know about the Night Witches in Russia?
We've done it when we've had to, when we as humanity.
Incredibly qualified, but these are largely volunteer.
Well, the Russian is not as much, but they have exemptions for their draft.
What do you think on this?
I think it's up to the individual themselves.
No, but okay, so the question is, like, this would be something that's forced.
I know you're from Australia, but I suspect there's probably a military draft or conscription in Australia where the men have to register anyways.
So in the United States, I assume it's the same in Australia, men have to register for something called the Selective Service, which in wartime, If the government opted to, you know, they couldn't find
enough soldiers, they could force people, force males to join the war effort, become
soldiers.
That's strictly men currently, but Congress, the government, they're contemplating making
it both men and women. So do you think women should also be subject to potential
forced military conscription, aka the draft?
No.
Okay.
What about you?
Uh, yeah.
No.
I personally would not want to go to war.
But, okay, okay.
So that's not the question.
You personally wouldn't want to go to war, right?
Yeah.
But, speaking in generalities here.
Yeah.
It would, because you're 21, so you would potentially be subject to the draft.
Yeah.
No.
So women should not, okay.
I don't really have an opinion on it.
I feel like if it happens, it happens.
If it doesn't, it doesn't.
I'm sorry, you guys are giving the most non-answers to this question, but if it happens, it happens.
If it doesn't, it doesn't.
I don't know what that means.
Okay, alright, what about you?
For the sake of everything being 50-50, then yeah, sure, go for it.
What do you think over here?
I don't think women should be drafted.
I mean, I know women aren't necessarily frail, but I know we are a lot weaker than men, especially of the same size and stature.
I mean, they could beat us at any point in time unless, like, we have a gun.
Sure.
Granted, I know in war we probably would.
And then I think just the emotional trauma of, like, seeing somebody killed.
Females are more emotional than guys are generally.
And that would be a lot harder for us to get over.
So, and then, I would imagine no one has a problem if the war got really crazy for men being drafted, right?
I mean, just historically.
Right.
So then, for those of you that said you were feminists, do you see any inconsistency between saying that you want equality, but you're cool with sending men to run into machine guns to protect your society?
Does anyone wrestle with that?
How do you reconcile that?
I didn't say I was a feminist.
No, no, I know, but some did.
No, but what I'm getting at, though, is that it's easy, and I know that you have all been so polite, but let's just dive right into it.
It's easy at times to bash the patriarchy.
Taylor Swift, just today, was one of her songs, F the Patriarchy, and everyone in the concert screams that, right?
Can we Google that next?
Well, it's a lyric to one of her songs of some name tag that was dropped, but she says it like a rallying cry, like, F the Patriarchy.
When it comes down to it, it's like, you're cool throwing men to the front lines of war, But not yourself.
Why do you think the third wave has happened?
Do you think it's revenge?
Do you think it's a mind virus?
Well, I think it's... What do you think?
It's a great question.
I think that it is a idea toxin where we have Really denigrated having children and staying at home for a lot of women.
And some women, that's the right path.
For some women, it's not the right path.
But for a lot of women, it is the right path.
And there needs to be an ideological reason as to why you don't get married and you don't have kids for the vast majority of the population.
And they developed feminism, where they said that for young women becoming a CEO of a shoe company, is as fulfilling as having children.
And for some people that is true, but for a lot of people that's just not true.
And you look at the way Gloria Steinem wrote the feminist mystique,
it was, I feel as if I'm in an open air prison being a stay at home mom,
barefoot and pregnant basically, being in the kitchen.
And it started this whole push, which is where we are the same as men.
And that's the problem of third-wave feminism, is that it ties with the trans movement, is they don't believe there's any sort of biological differences between men and women, which we all agree is insane, right?
That men and women are made completely differently.
And, yeah, I think it's a I think it's an intellectual and ideological cancer that needs to be crushed.
And I think deep down most people don't even believe it.
And the draft argument actually, I think, really draws that out.
Where when it comes down to it, most American women are okay sending men to war.
Which you should be, by the way.
Do you young ladies, like if you feel like you say, I'd like to marry and be a stay-at-home mom and not work?
If any of you would say that, I don't know.
Do you feel like other people would shame you?
That you get more social clout by saying something else?
I think it's praised right now to be a stay-at-home mom.
Okay.
At least from my social circles.
That's a new phenomenon.
Before we do move on, I'm not going to allow you guys to weasel your way out of Charlie's question here.
So just show of hands, who of you guys said you were feminists?
I believe you and then you.
Oh come on, don't, don't, don't.
Don't reel it back here.
So both of you said you're feminists, but you also said you're non-favor of women being subject to military conscription.
It occurs to me that feminism, in the most, I guess, generous definition I could give it, is a movement towards equality.
That's not honestly the definition I would give it, but to be charitable, I'll give it that.
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That's why men should be in war.
A woman would never say that.
It's time for war.
I don't... I've never uttered that phrase in my life.
No, that's a very smart point, actually.
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Go ahead.
Um, because feminism isn't just feminism as in if you're a feminist you have to agree with every single thought and every single idea that every feminist pushes forward, like the draft for example.
Well it's not clear to me if that's a feminist, like specifically a feminist position.
Well then if I'm not a feminist under your eyes then that's fine.
Would you acknowledge though that that would be a pure equality between men and women?
Yeah.
So you're not in favor of equality when it doesn't stand to benefit women?
Yeah, but again, I never pushed for 100% equality within feminism.
Not every feminist believes that.
So you only want the equality that benefits women?
No.
I want the equality that benefits humanity.
As a society.
Okay, so are you guys then okay when you find out that women might earn less in the workforce than men?
Yeah, if it falls under that same group, but if it's humanity and society, then yeah.
Okay.
I mean, I think women should be, if the women are doing the same exact job and producing the same exact amount, quantity, and quality of work, I think they should be paid the same.
Yeah.
But generally, that's not the case.
No, you're right.
Yeah, the law, you can't discriminate based on sex, but usually there's a lot of other factors, such as where you went to school, what you studied.
So yeah, I'm just...
Well, I'd like to ask you another question here.
consistency or lack thereof here. Yeah I don't ever think it's men versus women
it's like masculine complements the feminine so I think the new wave
feminism if they're talking about hey women are better than men that's like
the dumbest thing that you can ever say. I think women complement men which goes
back to your you know draft concept. Well I'd like to ask you another question
here do you think women should be barred from volunteering for the military? No.
Well, that's interesting.
They shouldn't be barred from volunteering, but they should be barred from being forced into conscription despite men being forced into potential conscription.
I'm a little confused there.
What's confusing about that?
Well, if you're fine with women volunteering, why would you object to women being forced I feel like we made so many points on why women shouldn't be in war.
Do I have to go over them again?
I can.
Did you make points?
I'm not sure.
Yeah, I did, actually.
Like, for example, a woman being sent out to war.
Well, actually, let's use her example.
That was one of the best ones.
If we send half women, half men to war, and we lose an incredible amount of population, what would it be of the country and our workforce?
Like she said, women are the ones that are able to have one child at a time.
Some occasions, two, three.
You have twins, triplets, whatever.
But one man can produce how many kids in a year?
One man can repopulate a population so much quicker than a woman can.
Okay, well, let's assume the conflict we get involved in is similar to Vietnam, where it's not like we're drafting huge swaths of the U.S.
population.
It's more like, I just Googled it, I think the United States military conscripted 2 million service personnel throughout the course of the Vietnam War.
World War II was way more than that.
If we'd lost, you know, a million from a population perspective, I don't think it would be catastrophic.
But again, those one million women aren't just one million women randomly.
They're occupying special type of forces.
Like, for example, teachers.
How many teachers would we lose because of that?
What do you mean?
We would get like 18 to 22 year olds.
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So let me ask...
Okay.
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Can I just ask a question?
So if you are with your boyfriend or husband and there's a home intruder in the house, who would you expect your husband to put himself first into that situation to take care of it?
Absolutely.
Or husband, boyfriend, or male counterpart.
I mean, I know my husband and I have had this conversation multiple times.
I mean, we have multiple guns in the house and he's told me, he's like, go hide in the bathroom and hide in the closet.
He's like, and I'll take care of you.
I mean, and I know where the guns are and I know how to use them just in case he dies for some reason.
Or I can, you know, shoot and hopefully scare somebody away.
Right.
I think you were maybe in the middle of making a point.
You said, well, that they would be teachers And so that's why we should address them.
Well, you were saying how, like, one million women dying doesn't really hurt society, and I was saying that it does, because women have a higher amount of, like, in certain roles, like, for example... Women's jobs are more valuable?
Is that the argument you're making?
No, no, no, no.
I'm saying, like, a lot of women's jobs are already majorly women, right?
Right, but I was arguing your point about, like, you're making this point of, well, if all the women go and die to war, how are we going to repopulate?
But, like, I'm not...
I don't think any conflict would reduce the female population to such a degree that it would, like, have some catastrophic, uh, if they were drafted, frontline, whatever.
But, like, we're already, uh— Actually, it'd probably be good—I'm gonna get cancelled for this—it'd actually probably be good for the population if women got drafted, because here's what happens, actually, with the volunteer force of women.
If they ever do face a deployment, a lot of these female soldiers just get pregnant to avoid having to be deployed.
Hold on.
Charlie, I think actually conservatives need to get on board with the female draft.
Charlie, I need you to commit on the whatever podcast here that you actually are in favor of the female draft because they get drafted, right?
We draft only women and then they're gonna get pregnant so they can avoid being deployed.
I think this could be a great talking point for the Conservative Party.
Let's draft the women and then we'll fix the population problem.
If you're pregnant, you can't be deployed.
How about like only third trimester can't get deployed?
But first and second period?
They have pregnancy jumpsuits, but they're not in the Air Force, which is insane.
I think this could be a great talking point for the conservative party.
Let's draft the women and then we'll fix the population problem.
Which we have a huge population.
A lot of women will get pregnant.
We will have to ban smushmorsion.
And then everyone's going to be raised in a single parent household?
That's horrible.
I hate that.
They get married to their husband who's deployed?
Also, everything sucks.
We'll figure it out anyways.
War is bad across the board.
But wait, so okay.
Don't draft women because then we can't repopulate?
Is that kind of the argument?
Yeah, that was one of them, yeah.
Okay, what if we only draft like a hundred, or excuse me, not a hundred, one million women?
So you want to put a marker on, we can draft 1 million women and unlimited men?
Wouldn't that also not be equal under your eyes?
No, just like, say 1 million women, 1 million men.
Or 10 million women, 10 million men.
That would be equal.
And if they can prove that those 1 million women are competent and would advance the war just as much as those 1 million men?
Probably not, but we still draft them.
Exactly, that's my point.
No, but that's my point.
No, but equality, we still draft them.
But wouldn't you want, in a war, the people going to war... Then why do we have women for the volunteer force, which you're in favor of?
Because I do believe that the women who are volunteering know that they can provide quite a bit to the war.
They're not just like, you know... Not really.
Well I would assume so.
Why would a woman volunteer if she's not certain that she can provide some type of...
Well, I mean, people volunteer for all kinds of reasons.
Some people do it for financial reasons.
Perhaps they're coming from a very low socioeconomic position.
Getting into the military can be helpful in that way.
Perhaps people want an experience, discipline.
They want to serve their country.
That's true, but I don't think most women would put their lives on the line and have that be their number one option.
Just volunteering just because shits and gags.
Like, I want to volunteer.
Right.
So I haven't really heard a compelling reason, at least from the feminist viewpoint standpoint, as to why women shouldn't be drafted.
But why would you want women to be drafted, is my question, as a man.
For the sake of equality.
Yeah, but what do you want?
Your country to, like, do good in war, not just for the sake of equality?
So if I make that same argument about, like, the workforce, would you call that a sexist statement?
With what exactly?
Would it be a sexist statement?
I'm not, I'm not arguing this, but the same argument you're making about, well, wouldn't you want the best for the war effort?
Couldn't you just make that argument about the volunteer force?
So women can't join the military.
You could say about policemen, fire, police officers, excuse me, firefighters, et cetera.
I'm not really catching your drift.
You said you don't want women, so you're trying to exclude women from other workforces, is
what you're asking me?
Well, you said, wouldn't you want the best people?
Yes, for the war.
Yeah.
Because the war, because like if we lose the war, is that not a big deal?
That'd be a big deal.
Yes.
Well, it's kind of like, you know, but you put equality to the side in terms of the war
because the war is really going to affect all of society, not just man or woman.
But you could even draft women into positions of, for example, not frontline soldiers.
Cyber security.
Yeah, and if you can prove that those women are competent and they can do that, then yeah, go ahead.
That still wouldn't really be equality, but it would be closer.
It wouldn't, but that would be good, yeah.
It would be closer to equality.
Exactly.
And actually, most positions in the military are not frontline combat positions.
So, I'm just a little confused here.
What are you confused about if we disagreed on the same point?
Just because I label myself as a feminist and I have the same opinion within this as someone who's not a feminist?
But it seems like you want equality only when it suits women.
No, because I've made that clear.
I've made that clear that I don't want it when it just suits women.
I want it when it benefits society.
Well, so then you acknowledge... Is that really hard to understand?
A little bit.
So then you acknowledge that there's an inequality that's currently impacting men, because men are the only sex that are required to register for the Selective Service.
Yeah, that's an inequality in terms of, yeah, if one sex has to go to war, the other one doesn't.
So your solution then is to get rid of the draft?
Um, my solution to that would just be let's not go to f***ing war.
That would make f***ing it equal.
Yeah, war bad.
War bad.
Exactly, but since that's not a realistic thing that the U.S.
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What if there's a belligerent force like China or Russia or something?
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Here is a point.
Feminism should have never been brought upon society by evil men pushing women to become babyless career boss bee words.
In the West now, what are women currently oppressed on?
I'll wait.
Uh, Beden, I'll ask that later.
Are you... Okay.
So, assuming we can't get rid of war... Assuming there had to be a draft... Exactly.
Do you acknowledge the current inequality that exists?
Shouldn't you as a feminist be desirous of moving towards egalitarianism and equality?
I've made that clear.
No.
Not in every single aspect.
Can I ask it a different way?
What would a victory for the feminist movement look like, or your view of feminism?
What's my view of feminism?
Or what is an injustice or something wrong in America that you would like to see remedied or cured with your view of feminism?
Really?
I can get real specific with it.
I work in the healthcare field, and I see a lot of inequality within that.
So that's one way where I'm a feminist, where I can see, okay, women aren't being treated the best way within the healthcare field, specifically.
They don't have the same rights as a man does, specifically.
Wait, can you elaborate on that?
Do you mean patients or the employees?
Patients, yeah.
Okay.
Wait, can you elaborate what you mean?
Like, what is the inequality?
Patient care.
A man as a patient versus a woman as a patient.
Very different.
Can you articulate it a little further?
Um, women don't have the same care as a man.
Isn't it the case that women, uh, use, like, see doctors more frequently?
They get more, uh, they're more likely to go visit a doctor?
Yeah, that's 100% the case, but that's because they're not getting adequate care.
That's why they have to keep seeing new specialists, new people.
Wait, wait.
I don't think that's the reason.
I think women just tend to care about our bodies, and men only care when they're on their deathbed.
That's, like, the typical Yeah, women, like for like Medi-Cal or whatever, I don't know what it's called.
The reimbursables for women are like 7 to 1.
They're more likely to use it.
Yeah, especially under 50 women.
But it's taken me like six months just to get a checkup.
Like just standard.
I don't think that's because you're a woman though.
You don't think so?
Okay.
I think that, why would it be because you're a woman?
I don't know, maybe because women's health care is harder to get?
I'm not sure.
That's just me shooting in the dark.
So you're talking like you're an OBGYN?
No, just primary care physician.
Why would that, why would that be because you're a woman though?
It actually might be because I have **** healthcare.
It also could be because we just brought a couple million people from the third world into this country.
That kind of creates long lines, but that's a separate issue.
Well, could you elaborate a little further on the healthcare thing, though?
Do you want me to just keep going, listing examples?
Well, you said women have, I don't know if you said rights, like women have X that men don't.
Yeah, women are behind in the healthcare field, so that's something I would want to see women progress.
Like in nursing?
No, as a patient.
I've made that clear.
Oh, as patients?
Yes.
How are they behind?
A woman doesn't get the same adequate care from her primary doctor, from her specialist, from whatever person in the care field to be able to say, you need to do this, this, and that.
But I just believe that there is something that could be done.
Do you think that women sometimes might be overemphasizing a condition that might not be a big deal?
No, I don't think so.
I mean, yeah, possibly person to person, there's many women who could do that.
There's many men who would do that.
How is that relevant?
No, because the survey you're citing is that women think they're not getting the care that they deserve, when I think they actually are, and then some.
But you're right, men will not go to the doctor unless they're missing a limb, where a woman will call their doctor as soon as they have a sniffle or a sneeze or a cough.
And so they engage in the healthcare system more often.
So when you have more interactions and more touch points, you'll have more people who think that there's an injustice when there really isn't.
I see your point.
And do you also, well actually here, we'll come back to that a little bit.
I did also want to get an answer from you really quick on the drafting, then we'll move it along to a different topic.
You said you're a feminist, but not in favor of women being drafted.
How do you reconcile that?
I think there should be definitely things that are more, or I guess not more important, but like, I'm more for like, if a me, if I'm working a job in a lab and a man is working a job in the same lab and we're doing the same things, then we should be getting equal pay, but... What if you work harder than him?
Should you get more money?
Well, what do you mean like work harder?
Put in more hours?
Show up earlier?
I mean, wouldn't I... What if you're better than him?
But I thought you said equal pay.
But you have the same title.
I mean, I think it would depend on your lab position and how high up you are.
But you have the same title.
Do you want it to be based on merit or just equality no matter what?
I mean, I guess if you are working harder, then I feel like you should get paid more regardless if you're a man or a
woman.
So men are more likely to show up early at work.
They're more likely to not take seven to ten years off for having a child, whether you like that or not.
More likely to ask for a promotion.
More likely to ask for a raise.
They're also more likely to get their boss to notice their hard work.
They're better at that than women.
So maybe it's not that women are getting paid less than men.
Maybe just men are better at working the corporate system than women.
Well, then if that's the case, then I guess that's something we need to work on.
Wait, I have a question.
Well, you didn't really answer the question, but you did bring up the wage gap there a little bit.
So the question was about the draft, though, because you said you were feminist, but you're not in favor of women being conscripted into military force, military conscription.
So, like, just how do you reconcile that?
Well, I think they brought up a good point about how Like, biologically, women are not as physically strong as, like, men, and I don't understand, like, or I guess, like, they do bring up a point, like, how would it benefit, like, the United States if we're putting more women onto, like, the military if we're not putting, like, the strongest, like, people out?
Well, if they're not benefiting, then why would we allow women to volunteer?
I mean, but that's what they want to do with their time.
It's better than not having any volunteers.
Do you guys think the military would be better if women weren't in it?
If it was just men?
Hardcore men that want to win for the country.
You know women better than I do.
No women.
Do you think the American military was a better fighting force when women were not in it?
I think they're a lot more aggressive, a lot more assertive.
I don't want to sound like I'm hating on women, but I just think guys when they're, especially in a war, I mean, they're out there wanting to be out there fighting for their country.
Women, that's not our experience.
Wait, Charlie, what was your original question?
So, would the U.S.
military be better if it was just men?
Is that kind of the question?
Yes, and I say this for a group of women who know female nature very well.
You know your friend's female nature.
If you're trying to create a fighting force to defeat the Russians, defeat the Chinese, and all these stupid wars, I agree with you.
But if you want a good military, should women be in the military at all?
Let's get everybody's answer on this.
Go ahead.
If you want the best military, not an equal one.
Just men.
Just men.
I mean, but women are such good FBI agents.
Like, we're just naturally good at... Not private investigators, because women are the best at finding out that your boyfriend's cheating on you.
Exactly.
We're not talking about that.
We're talking about... So, how do we decode, like... Just answer the question.
We're talking about storming Normandy, defeating the Nazis, winning a war.
I mean... The Kazakhstans.
Oh, gosh.
The Kazakhstans.
The Kazakhs.
They actually had women in the military in the Soviet Union, but that's a separate issue.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
For the sake of argument, no.
No women.
Um, maybe no.
But also make sure that every single man that is in there also is up to par.
Yeah, I think if the men are really passionate about it, then no women.
Okay.
I don't want a world where people are barred from much.
Okay.
Um, nay.
No.
No.
I don't know if you guys even remember the question.
It should be all men.
You think it should be all men?
Yes.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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