THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 50 — Draft Our Daughters? Bringing Back Boomers? What's Your Phobia?
In this week’s ThoughtCrime Charlie Kirk, Jack Posobiec, Tyler Bowyer, and Blake Neff answer many important questions, including: -Should the military add women to the draft? Should women serve at all? -Why is Trump shedding support from Boomers, and will they come back? -To mark Pride month, what does everyone ACTUALLY have a phobia about? Buy my new book at https://www.amazon.com/Right-Wing-Revolution-Beat-Woke/dp/1735503797! Become a member at members.charliekirk.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hello, it is Book Launch Week.
Oh, wait, no.
It's Thought Crime.
But it's still Book Launch Week.
And, uh, Right Wing Revolution.
Blake, you helped with the book.
Thank you.
Great inspiration and researcher and tactician of the book.
And you're in the Acknowledgements.
Yes, I am.
It's nice.
How you doing, Blake?
I'm doing sweet.
How is Book Launch Week for you?
You been working really hard?
Oh, it's great.
Like, we're having to, like, go through, like, it's kind of funny because a lot of the text of the book was completed a little while ago, and now we're like, oh, oh, we can't.
Let's actually go back, dig out stuff from it.
And it's like, oh, wow, this is applicable.
This is applicable.
I mean, like, I think we're drawing a lot out of the chapter that's basically like, you know, you can hate the rules, but play by the rules in terms of ballot harvesting.
And, you know, we made that ages ago.
And it almost like it just happens that not only like it, you know, it came out the week.
That's the big point of emphasis due to Detroit and everything.
Chase the vote.
It really worked out.
Tyler, you've been training ballot chasers all week in Wisconsin.
Yeah.
I am here to get a signed copy of your book from Blake.
From Blake?
Yeah.
I want a nice signed Charlie Kirk, Blake.
You get to Blake Neff.
Do you want to sign it as Blake Neff or as Charlie Kirk?
Either one.
Okay.
All right.
As Blake Neff, of course.
Oh, okay.
All right.
All right.
We had to protect Blake from all of the protesters in Michigan.
I thought he had some fans.
Both sides.
Both sides were attacking.
That's possible.
Blake was getting attacked by both sides of the protesters.
Thank you.
Thank you for this.
And then we have the legendary Jack Posobiec, who also has a book coming out, but it's still at preorder, so we're not going to promote it heavily yet.
But, Jack, we had a great podcast in Detroit.
We had a great podcast.
We had an excellent podcast in Detroit on Unhumans, the secret history about communist revolutions and how to crush them and Fun fact, my book also includes Blake Neff in the acknowledgements because Blake did a lot of work helping with the research for the podcasts that we later turned into the book.
And so, you know, what I noticed actually, though, Tyler, when I got up close, is that what we thought or initially one of the crowds that we thought was protesting Blake was actually hordes of young men who were chasing him down the street, screaming his name and asking for his hotel room.
It was really strange.
I don't really know.
I don't really know how that one turned out.
I think we can all agree.
I should just be acknowledged in every book.
Yeah, every book.
Yes, that's right.
Including Fauci's memoir.
Yeah, exactly.
I would like to... Which is out this week, by the way.
Fauci's memoir is out.
You should say special thanks to Blake Neff for making the vaccine and the lockdowns possible.
Blake actually was behind the vaccine.
Just so everybody knows.
That's right.
Blake was the chief scientist at Pfizer.
He was also the guinea pig for all the vaccines.
They tested every single one of them on Blake, which explains a lot.
And they tested the original virus on me, and I designed the original virus before injecting it into myself.
He is the most interesting man in the world.
He is the superhuman.
That's also why Blake can speak to bats.
He also has the power of echolocation.
So, Blake, you were saying, I want to talk about low prop, high prop.
What were we talking about here?
Something with your friend?
You have a prophet?
Yeah, yeah.
So just before the show went live, we were talking about the big topic this week and what we've been talking about lately.
Low propensity voters.
Trump is doing better with Voters who normally don't turn out as much, which is a big change from the past.
15 years ago, it was all that Democrats had the advantage with every low-propensity group.
The young, immigrants, people who don't speak English, non-white voters, all of that.
And there's been this big shift.
The polls now say, you know, if you voted in every primary and every general election for the last five years, you are going to be favoring Biden by a good five, six points, according to some polls.
But if you've only voted sometimes, you're about 50-50, and if you're an unlikely voter, like if you skipped the 2020 election, those people tell the polls they favor Trump by like 15 points at this point.
So I have a friend who, I don't want to name him, but he's always been my kind of...
Yes detector sage predictor.
He's really good on China stuff.
He always tells me stuff about China That sounds insane and it goes against what everything else and it's true says and then I find out like three years later Oh, he was completely right about this And then he's also good at election stuff.
I remember him.
It's like summer 2015 Trump's just entered the race, we're getting the first polls about it, and we're getting those polls which say, do you remember early when Trump was running?
And they'll say like, oh, this new poll shows Trump is only up by three points in Mississippi, he'd be a disastrous one.
And he would share this with me and he'd say, the thing is, Blake, is I believe this poll and it's actually good news.
Because the national polls say Trump's only going to lose to Hillary by, like, three points.
And so if he's this close in Mississippi but still only losing by three points nationally, that means that he's going to do way better in the decisive swing states.
So he charted out the exact map that would lead... So what does he say now?
So what he says is, basically, he thinks that people are underappreciating the chance that there's actually still a polling error, like, in Trump's favor.
I think this could be right. Yeah. And also he's putting a lot of importance on next week's debate.
He says if Biden does well, it becomes about a 50 50 election. But if Biden does badly,
like he could be on chart for a Jimmy Carter 1980 level. So, yeah. So here's my and Tyler,
I want to get on this early because this is my I have two concerns is that if we are we are
trading right now, horse trading and it's not a permanent trade because we can get them back.
We're trading high prop voters for low prop voters.
Now, this is why polling could be underestimating Trump's support, is that, for example, I walk the streets of Scottsdale, I've personally registered dozens of voters in Scottsdale, I'm like always messaging you guys.
Yes.
And no one is polling these guys.
And I could tell you the Democrats are not in the data or anecdotally, they're not getting those uptick grassrootsy new registrations, right, Tyler?
We're seeing that not in the data at all in Arizona.
So Trump gets at least a point lift from those types of folks.
Tyler, should we be concerned, though, that baby boomers and older voters are going more in Biden's direction, younger voters, blacks, Hispanics in our direction, and we're trading higher props for lower props?
Yeah, I think that's the biggest concern is that we look at how things are looking for us.
And we are in a really good place because the Democrats maximized their uptick, as you're as you're referencing it.
Yes.
In 2020.
The Florida Palooza.
Because in Arizona, in one summer, they had like a net 75,000 voter increase.
Like they closed the voter registration gap by 75,000 voters, right?
Significantly.
Arizona was up, and always historically has been up, at least since like the 80s.
Well, no, we still had an advantage, but we went down to like only 100,000 vote advantage.
It is the closest that we've ever been.
And now it's 240.
And they invested a ton of money into voter registration to get as many people as possible
again.
The uptick is over.
We haven't seen an increase.
There hasn't been investment made.
And they've lost ground.
And if you're not seeing investment in voter registration, what does that mean?
That means they don't want as many voters to turn out.
Well, it means that there's not going to be as much investment made into ballot chasing on their end.
However, yeah, but Trump forgives some of the sins on our side because we don't have an apparatus.
Because a little bit of a machine can forgive because he's so loved and there's such an organic push that if we have a little bit of ballot chase, we can force multiply that.
I think the only angle is exactly what you said for the left, which is try to pick off as many older old voters who vote in huge numbers, who vote historically in huge numbers.
And, you know, there's some drop off on olders because we, you know, baby boomers are starting to pass away.
And so you have this this era now.
You have very few silent generation.
Generations gone.
We have a silent generation president.
But you have a very few outside of him that are active.
And so they have to chase every single member of the silent generation they've got.
Our side is going to have some dip off with silent generation because what happens naturally when you get old.
You forget to vote.
You don't show up.
Or somebody freaking steals your ballot in a nursing home.
Someone else takes your ballot for you and votes on your behalf.
Your spouse passes away that helped you vote.
Your kids no longer are prioritizing you voting.
So this is the one thing that we're telling people that have family that are older baby boomers and silent generation parents.
Make sure you're helping your parents vote.
Yeah, that's right.
Make sure you're doing that.
And do so legally.
And don't let the nurses help them vote.
That's exactly right.
You can be an assist.
As a family member, you're allowed to help fill in their ballot for them, right?
In almost every state, you can legally assist your family member as long as you're the caretaker and the person that's in charge of that.
So I just want to get jacking on this in a second.
But just so we're clear, though, and Blake, you made this point, there's two simultaneous strategies to bring bases home right now.
Biden is going to Philadelphia to bring blacks home to the Democrat Party.
And Trump is going to start going to bingo nights and pink pickleball courts to bring home boomers to the Republican Party.
Which is more likely to happen?
Ooh, that's a hard one.
That's a hard one.
I think boomers, when all is said and done, here's my theory.
Once we have convention, and we are ubiquitous blanket TV coverage, once we are on parity with TV ads, which will happen based on Miriam Adelson and these other super PACs, and once we are able to like cancel out their white noise, because the Biden ads are all over all the old people channels right now.
Lifetime, CNN, HLN, it's full blanket coverage.
You say TV doesn't matter.
I disagree.
I think it matters a lot when you are not present.
I'll say this shortly and then we'll have Jack come in.
The thought I had is I'll bet old boomer voters are the ones who probably do feel a bit scandalized that Trump got convicted.
100%.
That's so bad for our democracy.
But they'll get over it.
That will wane.
Yes.
And so I'm saying boomers are probably right now.
I think they're out of what's easy.
I think blacks actually might go back to Democrats in higher numbers than we might realize.
I think, however, blacks don't vote in the same numbers as boomers.
And it's just they have lower turnout.
And so I would rather be us than them.
Let me be very clear.
I would rather have to bring boomers home than have to go bring disaffected black voters home.
Right?
Because, I mean, boomers are more conservative.
It should be easier for the Trump campaign to bring boomers home.
That's the last missing piece.
I'm just saying right now, in June of 2024, if we win boomers by 15 points, which every Republican has done.
Mitt Romney won boomers by, like, 25 points.
Just to be clear.
Like, he crushed with boomers and lost everybody else.
We should win.
Jack, what are your thoughts here?
Again, I'm not here to criticize boomers and all of this.
I'm just saying this is a missing piece, and it is a fear.
Biden could overperform the polls if we are trading too many high props for low props.
Yeah, Charlie.
So when people are saying, you know, character matters, decency matters, these things matter, that's specifically the demographic that Biden is talking to.
He's speaking to those older voters, Who remember an America in the before time, who remember America, they came of age in the 1950s, they came of age in the 1960s.
They remember the America and by and large believe that this still is that country that can be all things to all people at all times.
Like when, when Joe Biden said, when they asked him, I remember they asked him one time about, you know, can America afford to fight wars in Ukraine and China?
So, you know, Europe and Asia at the same time.
And he says, This United States of America, we could do anything.
He actually believes that.
He actually believes that we just have this overabundance of all things because that's the America he, by the way, he's actually older than Baby Boomer, as you were saying, but that's still his set frame for America.
And so for a lot of these, like your normie, liberal, TV only watching Baby Boomer types out there, they're totally locked into that frame.
Now there are ways, by the way, to reach back out to them.
And of course, most of them involve showing that America's standing in the world
has been completely degraded under Joe Biden.
And also, by the way, the saying that social security is gonna be insolvent under Joe Biden.
There's a number of ways you can do these things to say that Biden is ruining our image of America.
And by the way, directly comparing, and Trump needs to do this in the debate.
So I know that we're not talking debates, but one way to accomplish this at the debates
is for Trump to directly compare him to Jimmy Carter.
If he's able to do that and do so successfully, maybe throw out some facts and figures
about the stagflation being where it is, then you can start to make that argument.
But you mentioned Biden going to Philly, but I would also point out that Donald Trump
is making his own visit to Philadelphia this Saturday night, 1776 North Broad Street
at the Lea Corps Center of Temple University.
And I can tell you, Charlie, this guy, the former Temple College Republican Chairman
from 20 years ago.
I love that.
However, and I love the offense going into the urban areas and all that.
But Blake, shouldn't Donald Trump maybe stop by a nursing home on his way there?
I'm not kidding.
No, no.
I mean, he should probably stop by a senior citizen center.
I mean, there's plenty of them.
I mean, he's got to do some boomer outreach here.
Or just in general, don't ignore the fact, like, there is that heartland that loves Trump.
Make sure you do hit those areas.
Well, he's going to do that.
He's going to go to the rules.
He had an insane schedule in 2016.
I'd love to see that.
So rural is all chasing, just FYI.
So we look at, there's some places in Wisconsin, for example, where the Republican turnout is so low in the rurals, you should lose your status as a state within the union.
How bad is it?
of turnout. It's just so bad. How bad is it?
Like places where they murder and bury people and like dumps.
What was that whole to catch a murderer or whatever thing that was? The guy that got
thrown in jail in Wisconsin.
Making a murderer? Making a murderer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That guy. I didn't watch that show.
Are you kidding me?
Of registered voters or of citizens?
That's really bad.
their turnout is like sub 60 percent, 50 percent in the presidential.
It's of registered voters or of citizens registered voters.
That's really bad.
Of citizens. It's like in like probably like less than 20%.
So, so if you just chase people in the rurals, you'll win.
So this is where ballot chasing comes in.
This is where the culture chasing comes in for the Republican Party.
It has to happen.
But to your point, Charlie, is the seniors matter so much because there's tons of senior communities that are in the suburbs.
So when you have this crossover between you already don't do as well with women, right?
We know that it's whatever it's overplayed.
Men, we overperform and we're overperforming now in the suburbs, and that's great.
But when you have this situation where there's old suburbanites that are there in the senior homes, those are the places.
So let's look at Arizona, for example, and Mesa.
Why is Mesa doing so bad?
It's not just the moms.
It's not just the moms.
Mesa is a historic, in Apache Junction, historic retirement community.
You have Red Mountain, that whole area, Las Cindas, that's out there.
You have places like Apache Junction where you have snowbirds that come in.
They're registered to Arizona now.
They golf.
They live in their homes and they fly back, you know, for the summertime to the Midwest.
They come back here or Canada or wherever, wherever they come from, they've got dual citizenship.
This is a real problem for Donald Trump for the reasons that you said.
We have to win back the suburban boomer.
Well, yeah, I think it's doable, though.
When I think of the disaffected boomer, not disaffected, or the one that's tilting to Biden, I think of the work that we did in Florida.
Now, hear me out.
There was a time.
Let's just go back.
This is why boomers are movable, guys.
In June of 2020, Trump was doing really bad with boomers.
Think about it.
That was during covid.
That was during all the hysteria that you're going to die from the virus.
And Trump put in the work for a couple months at a crazy schedule and did much better with boomers.
So I think it is very movable.
I just I don't want us to get too high on our own supply here.
Because we could all of a sudden be going into election day.
Well, we'll know during voting month because we're going to be doing our job during voting month.
Right.
So that's the difference.
We could be going into voting month, though, and be like, oh, we're crushing it with younger voters.
We're crushing with Hispanics.
And all of a sudden, like that day of vote of people that vote on election day.
Tyler, what would happen if we only won 60 percent of day of votes in Arizona?
Yeah, I mean, we've got to win a lot more than that.
We've got... I'm saying that what if the boomers who vote on Election Day, like, underperform for us?
That's right.
We've got to win a lot more than that.
I mean, we right now are... What if we do every piece?
We chase Hispanics.
We chase blacks.
We chase younger voters.
Like, we overperform at ASU.
We overperform at NAU.
And the day of... And then it, like, rains, and the guy's just like, ah, they don't need me, and he just stays home.
Or even worse, just, like, all of a sudden in the West Valley, a bunch of, like, 85-year-olds that vote on Election Day are like, I'm going for Biden.
And like we used to run up the score in those areas.
Or RFK.
Biden's getting it done.
I believe we need Project Boomer.
We need to run more TV ads.
I'm telling you, we have to get more TV ads.
Well, this is why organizations like we had so present at in Detroit, like AMAC, are so important.
Are like the most important thing.
You know what's crazy?
The press hasn't given us any credit.
Like the youth vote is up for grabs.
And the boomer vote is now, like, a catastrophe.
Not a catastrophe, but it's, like, not where it should be.
It's the scariest element.
Maybe it's the organization that's been focused on it, like, obsessed for 12 years.
Now, my prophet friend does say, don't look too close at the crosstabs.
He says, especially on a lot of these subgroups, they end up being so tiny.
Like, it's very difficult to get, like, black men to respond to a lot of these polls.
So you have a crosstab of, like, 20 guys in some of these subgroups.
Fine, but boomers are not tiny.
For sure, for sure, but maybe there's an issue where the boomers who are especially likely to respond to phone polls have shifted?
I mean, that's the theory they have every single time these polls are debated.
They'll be like, Republicans never respond to polls, ever.
Last thing I'll say is this, is that Biden, the ads that Biden is running, are small-c conservative ads.
He comes across, if you didn't know the party affiliation, you'd be like, oh, this guy's a conservative.
Oh yeah, because he's like, Trump is going to burn the system down.
And he's like, I'm all about the integrity of the institutions.
And I, like, he's a small C conservative.
His ads are like indecipherable from 2012 Mitt Romney.
Dang.
No, I want you to think deeply about that.
So they're running a center-right advertising campaign towards boomers, and it's super smart because it tends to be working in the data.
Now you run those towards younger voters, they're like, we want revolutionary change, we can't own homes, everything is terrible, what the heck are you talking about?
Boomers don't like that language though.
No.
They don't.
They do not want status quo.
They want placidity, serenity.
This is why the Fox battle with Trump is so bad and damaging in so many different ways.
There's an element here where it's like, I get it.
I totally agree.
I think young people love the attacks on Paul Ryan there within the space.
But it's like, I don't know if that's going to be... This may be contributing a little bit to that because every boomer you know, they can't help but peel themselves.
But let's go a level deeper here.
In the primary, remember, the most anti-Trump part of the Republican Party are boomers.
And the most pro-Trump part of the Republican Party are Gen X and Gen Z and Millennials.
Yeah.
If you're conservative.
Yeah.
The younger you get, the more based you are.
The older you get, the less based you are.
Because you're consuming content like the Charlie Kirk Show versus... Totally.
Versus whatever.
You're getting fed TikToks that are... Based.
Based.
So anyway, again, this is not... So media works.
There's plenty of boomers out there that we love.
I've been really focused on this issue for the last couple of days.
Blake, I think rightfully so.
I think we're on something very powerful here.
For sure.
For sure.
And I don't think other people, by the way, I had a 45 minute conversation.
I was on a podcast with Newt Gingrich.
He's like, Charlie, this is the smartest analysis.
He's like, you're spot on.
You're connecting dots for me.
And what he really loved and he's going to because he's incredibly well respected.
Newt is someone that we should like have us.
He should have a great speaking role at the convention.
Like, yes, you should have like Newt Gingrich just like nonstop, just like at 5 p.m.
No, I mean, like, seriously, like, he should be, like, center stage.
Charlie is a hardcore Newt Gingrich, Mark, just so everybody knows.
Hardcore.
I'm a big Newt fan.
I always have been.
That's what I'm saying.
But I think that we also have to be willing to say, okay, what names and faces, like Dr. Ben Carson, I would give him a, like, an amazing speaker spot.
This is maybe why Ben Carson's a good VP nod.
I'm telling you.
It's just not going to happen, but I'm with you.
I know, but... We've pushed it for a while.
I know, but I'm saying... Ben Carson would run the score with boomers.
Yeah!
Are you kidding me?
Yeah, he's liked a lot!
He is like the ideal boomer vice-presidential candidate.
Ben Carson would... Do you know why?
Do you know why?
Yes, I know why.
No, no, no, no, no.
It's because he's a surgeon.
No, no, it's not that.
No, I know I'm being facetious.
Sean Hannity, during the peak Ben Carson, Sean Hannity had him on his show like every other day.
I'm talking like 2012 or whatever it was.
Oh, no, he is in bed.
By the way, in Detroit, when we just like call Ben Carson's name, the amount of like boomer jumping that was happening, Yeah.
It's as if we were like, ladies and gentlemen, for our younger audience, like, here's Logan Paul or Andrew Tate.
It's like, Ben Gosselin!
Vice President Andrew Tate.
But I want everyone to appreciate this.
Our problem as Republicans, typically here's how campaigns are run.
You run a primary, talking about, like, dropping bombs on your enemies, and, you know, lowering taxes, you consolidate to the general, and then as you get closer to the general, you try to expand the coalition with younger voters, Hispanics, and blacks.
This year, we win the primary, and we do record well in young voters, blacks, and Hispanics, and the closer we get to the election, we need to re-win the previous base of the Republican Party.
It's like Trump is charged, he's like, He's vaulted over the wall, he's got the sword, the enemy's running away, and he turns around and like, you know, the units have not followed.
He's like, you guys, you guys gotta come after me here.
I know, but I want to talk about one of our sponsors here, and I would rather be us than them.
I would rather have our project to be people that consume a bunch of media, people that watch a lot of TV, because we will have parody on TV, and I think when all is said and done, I think that a lot of boomers will be like, I might not like Trump, but again, if you have a good convention, I cannot tell you.
Like convention for us doesn't feel like much.
That is imprinted and tattooed into the psyche of so many voters.
It's on all network TV.
It gets clipped everywhere.
It gets covered everywhere.
And if our lineup is boomer friendly, we could see a huge polling boost there.
The people we need to get back are the kind of people who will want who will be a swash
by seeing the debates and the convention and be like, everything's normal.
Everything's OK.
And that's the point is that the base of the Republican Party right now, if you look at
Trump rallies, by the way, if you look at our audience, like despite what the media
said, it was very heavy Gen X and like very it was like there was some boomer element,
but a lot of baby boomers don't like the talk of revolution.
They don't like the talk of upheaval.
They want status quo.
They want something they can count on.
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What is our, anyone have closing thoughts?
I think this is an infinitely rich topic, by the way.
Jack, you have any thoughts there?
Look, that's going to be the biggest shift and it's honestly, I want to come back to this.
It needs to be understood that this is going to be a huge part of the debates.
The conservative boomers, liberal boomers, independent boomers, whoever you want to talk about, this is a heavily TV watching audience.
They're not necessarily the podcast audience.
They're certainly not the TikTok audience, social media.
Yeah, they're there, but it's by and large, their medium is television.
They are going to watch this debate.
And if the first debate doesn't go well, they may not watch the second.
No, they will.
I disagree.
There's a lot of space between the two.
Well, there's space, but you know what I'm saying?
The chance may not be there if the first debate doesn't go well.
So you've got a real jump ball with the first debate.
Make it a point specifically in the first debate to speak to this.
Well, Jack, to that point, too.
If more boomers are watching the TV debate, which they do, which they will, the attacks on Biden's mental acuity, I totally agree, are not going to.
It's not smart.
It's not smart.
By the way, it works with a younger audience.
They think it's insane.
We have a senile president.
Totally.
And we should we can clip that.
We already have plenty of that content.
Plenty of it.
That's not the place for the debate.
So because because of the boomer audience, that will probably not love that as much.
That's really insightful.
I mean, so what do you do then?
That's what I'm saying.
Contrast him to Jimmy Carter.
Don't necessarily attack his age, attack his record, or lack thereof.
Attack his disaster.
Attack what's going on in the country.
Attack what's going on overseas.
By the way, they remember America from the 1950s and 60s when we were at the height of Pax Americana, when we were top dog in the world.
They remember the real America-led.
Yeah, so that's a really good point.
Do you want to win boomers over?
You know what ad I would do of all the ads?
against, you know, at the time, global communism. And so the idea that Biden has ruined America's
standing on the world stage, I think is going to be a huge attack line there.
And yet so that's a really good point. Do you want to win boomers over? You know what
ad I would do of all the ads? Afghanistan.
Yeah.
Would you agree, Jack?
Yeah.
I think international embarrassment is a very persuasive, like that's of all the things I hear.
I've never heard, by the way, a younger voter be like, yeah, the rest of the world is laughing at us.
But the talking point at the bingo night is the rest of the world is laughing at us, Jack and Charlie.
Yes.
What is the direct connection there to Jimmy Carter, as I was just saying, Desert One.
Operation Eagle Claw.
So this is what you do with the debate.
No, just with the ad.
And you run this ad during the debate.
We're setting this up in real time here.
So Desert One was Operation Eagle Claw, the failed attempt to rescue American hostages from the U.S.
Embassy in Tehran.
So this, by the way, happened in 1980.
So it happens in the election year.
Which was devastating for Carter.
The fact that the U.S.
military, this is prior to JSOC, this is actually kind of the reason that JSOC was, not to get too in the weeds, but was created for a joint special operations unit to be put together, that we sent in helicopters, we sent in special forces, and it was a complete failure.
So I think I'm looking here, April 24th to 25th, 1980, massive failure, massive loss of prestige on the world stage.
And this set the tone for Jimmy Carter the rest of the election.
He could just never be put forward.
So it wasn't necessarily his age, it was just the sense that he was incompetent.
This is how you make the ad.
You tie Desert One to the fall of Kabul.
I think that's smart.
Okay, what's our next topic?
Well, speaking of the military, the other thing that is in the news this week is they might add women to the Selective Service.
How Daisy's getting drafted.
Exactly, we're gonna draft our Daisy.
And Emma, they're gonna be in combat fatigues, they're gonna have the helmets on, they're gonna be totin', M4s, it's gonna be great.
Someone photoshop that for us.
We should AI it.
Yeah, this is in the National Defense Authorization Act.
I suspect this won't make it to the final bill, but it's been in the news that the Senate has advanced a version of this in which women will register for selective service.
Now, that is a long way from the draft, but it is a fun thought experiment as a concept.
Is this going to happen eventually?
And I guess I think we'd probably all be in agreement that this is probably not something the country needs, but... I would love to see MSU to M4.
Would you say that again?
I'd love to see Emma Carey and shoot him.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
We should do this.
So, but the more important question, I mean, the obvious take, but the important one is that women's have been women have been fighting for women's equality for so time, so much time.
So wouldn't they be thrilled about this?
You'd think like the feminists that are 62 percent in Joe Biden's direction, 64 percent, actually.
Some of them would be.
I don't know that any.
I don't know that any of them are going to actually sign up.
No, the ultimate feminist owner would be like, no, it gets in the way of my shoe company.
Not like it gets in the way of me like owning, like raising kids, but it's like
it gets in the way of my corporate career.
What's interesting to me is it is also very theoretical.
We haven't had a draft since Vietnam.
In countries where they still have the draft, this can become a very live issue.
have the draft, this can become a very live issue.
So in South Korea, South Korea is one of the only countries that has a sex gap in voting as large as the U.S.
does, where men are really right-wing, women are really left-wing.
And South Korea also has very severe military service requirements, but only for men.
If you are a man, I think you need to spend at least 18 months in the military before you're like 28 or 30 or some age point like that.
And you don't get paid much.
So it's a very demanding thing.
You'll graduate high school as a man in South Korea.
You have to go do your military service for nearly two years, and then you're allowed to go to college or start your career.
And this is a huge burden on men relative to women.
And then on top of that, South Korea, like us, has all these political initiatives, you know, to get women in X, Y, and Z.
And so it's driving this massive battle of the sexes in South Korea, where the men are extremely hostile to the women, not having to do the selective service.
So I think it's funny in the U.S.
that you instead see men, I think, being territorial about like, oh, we're going to add women to the draft as a sign of this like creeping feminization of things.
Whereas in countries where you actually can get drafted, I think you instead see young men seeing like, yeah, like they should they should have to do the same stuff we do.
Just a thought.
Israel, by the way, also has mandatory conscription, if I remember correctly.
They do, for both, that's right.
Yeah, Israel, and famously, there are female IDF soldiers, and this is something, I'm just pulling it up here, conscription applies, Israeli citizens, age 18, both men and women are required to serve.
However, the duration and roles may differ.
Men are typically, wow, men are typically required to serve for 32 months.
Now, obviously, this may have, May have changed post 10-7.
Men typically required to serve for 32 months.
Women typically serve for 24 months.
That's wild.
That's wild.
And it also just goes to show you that in this country, you know, we benefit from having, you know, two relatively safe, obviously borders to our east and west with the oceans.
To the north, we have Canada.
To the south, we have Mexico.
Not a safe border, but compared to other parts of the world, It's a huge luxury.
Huge luxury that we don't need this type of military service in America.
Yeah.
Any other thoughts there, guys?
So, draft aside, do we think, like, a lot of women should be in the military generally?
In combat roles, I don't necessarily think so.
I mean, if they want to serve in non-combat arena, I think that if you want to be in an intel officer or something critical in that regard, But no, I've been on the record that I don't think women should be in frontline combat roles.
Not to say that necessarily there haven't been women that have been heroes in that regard, but I think it's been long-term damaging to the culture of the United States military.
Especially, and you have a take on this, Blake, the camaraderie of frontline combat units.
It is very primal, and introducing a single female into that changes the dynamic completely.
It's very interesting when you read about how you how you build men into soldiers like if you read about how they do Marine Corps basic training or if you've been through that basic training yourself, you know that it's kind of it's almost like a Better version of like almost making you join a cult or something where they're going to isolate you.
They're going to put you through a ton of really intense work.
You're going to get really tightly bound with your comrades and it's like hazing everyone has to do like in the Marines.
Everyone has to do the same basic training.
It's really intense.
They're all bound by that and it's to create a Every person who's been in the war will tell you, when you're really in a war, you don't keep fighting because you care about the cause, you don't keep fighting because you're obsessed with the country.
What you end up getting really obsessed with is the guy next to you, your comrades, and your duty to them.
And this is sort of a...
Bluntly, this is a thing that men in an all-male environment have a much easier time creating and maintaining, and it does mess it up when you add a lot of women to that, because what do men do over women?
They compete over women!
Yes.
Even if it's not even on a, like, attraction basis, it just, it changes how they interact.
they start worrying about saving face. They start worrying about how they look
to everyone else. They they stop caring about just do whatever it takes to get
the mission done and it doesn't matter necessarily who gets credit or anything
else. And I'm not saying it's always like this, but it is a force that comes
into play. And if you talk to a lot of guys who have been in the military
long time, a lot of them will just tell you this, that it it does mess it up to
just suddenly have a bunch of women in that environment.
So the cultural issues...
I think it's just very simple.
We should hold men and women to the same standard for output.
And organically, because that's kind of how it used to run, right?
And organically, there were no women in combat.
Uh, form for that outside of a few specific instances, like in the cockpit, for example, just women are smaller in stature.
And so there's some roles where it makes more sense to have smaller humans inside, you know, planes and tanks and things like that, which totally makes sense.
But like, they should be, just be held the same standard.
It's really simple.
We should have the best possible killers on the front lines, you know, and so that everybody's scared of us, not people who are trans.
So I agree.
So I think we're in full agreement.
By the way, Blake, what you're what you're talking about, the phrase is espirit de corps.
It's it's the French phrase.
You know, it kind of translates to like unit cohesion, but it's so much bigger than that.
Espirit de corps.
When I was in the military, it just it's it's it is that that unbreakable bond that you're talking about, that when you're put through the pressure cooker together, that you come out with and And by the way, I would throw out there, though, to folks saying, oh, well, you know, what if just one or two women are introduced in one of these units?
And that's not so bad because that doesn't keep it up.
And I would just say, again, having served in a variety of positions where there are only a small number of women compared to a large number of men, Charlie, what do you think that does?
To the male pool that is there when you're in an isolated environment and there's a large pool of men and a small pool of women.
Pray tell, what would you think?
What do I think about if there's a large pool of men and a small pool of women?
I mean, yeah, it creates... What do you think that does to the men?
It creates a certain behavior.
Certain behavior.
Certain behavior is a great way to put it.
It creates certain behavior, and that certain behavior is absolutely—look, there is a biological imperative, there is a natural imperative there, but I'll tell you one thing.
It is not imperative to the good order and discipline of running a United States military unit.
It's certainly not good for running a submarine, which recently introduced female submariners, even though probably submarine corps is on its way out, given the prevalence of drones in undersea warfare going forward.
Um, but this, this is just something that creates competitiveness.
The ratios, I mean, look, when I was at Guantanamo, it was like, I think the ratio was like 10 to one in some instances, depending on the unit or overall on the island.
And so look, you get all of those guys competing for the one girl.
And unfortunately for some of the female troopers, when they see this, they then take it as license
and they then take it as agency to be able to pull favors, to be able to pull rank, to be able to get what they want,
to be able to get plum assignments, because they realize they have this influence over others.
By the way, here's a picture of Daisy and Emma on the front lines in Ukraine.
154, bring it up.
Yeah, there we go.
That actually looks like Syria.
Yeah, I think that's, they're going off, they're gonna fight the war.
Yeah, they're deployed in Mosul right now.
Daisy was telling me the other day how much she hates Assad.
She's like, I'm going to take him out myself.
But that's that's men with their faces on it.
No, that's not.
No, the stature.
No, that is.
No, it's not.
They actually got drafted since the show started.
They got scooped up.
Tyler, show some respect for our women in uniform.
If either one of them was carrying that gun, it would be literally touching, it would be dragging on the ground.
Yeah, it is.
We should clarify.
These women probably have a combined weight of like, what, like 160 pounds or something?
I don't guess women.
Em and Daisy are producers.
I don't know that the audience knows who Em and Daisy are.
They are producers and we love them and they're the best.
They're great.
No, but I put them on the spot here for now.
They just really hate Assad.
They just really hate Assad.
We're going to take them out to, we're going to take them out with Paige.
Oh, Paige Rue?
Paige could go fight.
I think she'd want to fight.
Yeah, Paige is already there, but we'll have Paige win a battle royale in this office.
No, but this is what I'm saying.
Paige goes in the unit, and it's going to ruin all the men in the unit.
Some guys see Paige come to the unit, they're all done.
They're all completely ruined.
All of them.
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Kirk what if we only drafted women in the WNBA think that'd be a great idea
because I'm feeling are not she has to leave them I don't know if she's doing
no pretty good for the military more of you know i think right now
No, Brittany Griner is more than capable, more than qualified.
I fully support Brittany Griner leading the charge into harm's way on the battlefield.
By the way, you know, I got a hate email from somebody saying, Charlie, what are you talking about?
The WNBA is more entertaining than college basketball.
It's so amazing to watch.
And I literally respond, I'm like, is this a troll?
Like, are you trying to troll?
And then she got really upset.
She, like, lists all the thought crimes.
I'll look it up who it is.
Seems like a very sweet person.
Sometimes you'll see this.
They'll be like, there's more emphasis on passing.
No, no, no.
She said that.
It's more skill and finesse, she said.
There is.
That is not true.
I said, you mean, like, more missed shots?
And, like, slower players?
I have a request.
The WNBA All-Star Game is in Phoenix?
No, no.
We can shoot ThoughtCrime Live.
We should do ThoughtCrime Live outside the WNBA.
We should do College Game Day outside.
Outside.
ThoughtCrime Live outside the WNBA and be super serious and all of us can dress up.
That'd be great.
The real question is, will there be any straight men at the WNBA All-Star Game?
Will there be any straight women?
Well, not if Blake... Well... Yes, I think there... I mean... Have you been to... Have you seen a WNBA game?
Actually, I've tried... I really tried for about 25 seconds.
And... My goodness.
After 25 seconds... So, I actually have a belief.
So, you know how all the NBA teams do, like, a pride night?
I think there should be a straight night at the WNBA games.
Cause it's so hard to find.
Yeah.
Cause it's like, it's mostly straight.
If you're an NBA fan and then they have pride night and you know, the gay community is welcome.
I think the straight community should be welcome to at least one of the W. So that's the, that's the Saturday.
That's the Saturday after Milwaukee, which means, so wait, Wait, are we gonna do Thought Prime in Milwaukee?
We have to do it, Charlie.
You guys go.
You can't pay me to go.
Yeah, it'd be so fun if we take it seriously.
You can wear a Bernie Griner jersey.
Should we ballot chase at the WNBA?
Yeah, I'm sure you'll have some fans.
Did I tell you about when I went to a concert?
We'll have fans at the WNBA.
I'm sure there will be.
Did I tell you?
I went to a concert with my wife.
You have to respond to that email.
Make sure she registered.
I went to a concert with my wife.
I turn around.
I'm in this line.
And the I'm not kidding you.
The gayest guy I've ever seen was behind me.
And he goes, are you Tyler Boyer?
And I was like, oh, no, because I turn around and I was like, This guy's gonna, like, he hates us, right?
Like, I've been through the Philadelphia incident with you and Candace.
Yeah, we got stormed out.
And I turn around and he's got Boa on, he's hanging out, and he's like, I love you guys.
I love you entirely.
Thank you for all you're doing.
The gay community has a lot of fans of what we do.
Okay, so here's an interesting question.
So don't discount the WNBA fans.
We don't have some really great fans.
Fair enough.
Do you think lesbians or gays are more MAGA, Jack?
Gays.
Why?
Because lesbians tend to be more feminine coded and feminine coded is liberal.
Okay, do you agree, Blake?
I think it's... yeah, I think gay men are more likely to...
I don't know that it's because of the masculine feminine thing or...
It's almost just like in my gut I suspect this.
It's just how... There's a fair amount of gay men that show up to MAGA rallies.
There's a fair amount of gay men who are, like, extremely right-wing.
Well, they also work on Capitol Hill and call themselves Republican staffers.
Yeah.
Not even that.
Yeah, just anecdotally, going to rallies and being around the movement, I would say I've run into more gays for Trump than... I'm not saying I haven't found lesbians for Trump.
I mean, there certainly are.
There's some that I know personally, as a matter of fact.
I would just say based on numbers, I think I run into more gays for Trump than anything.
Blake, of course, runs into gays for Trump every single night on Grindr.
I'm going to make the pitch right now for why lesbians should convert to conservatism.
I thought you were going to say to convert to something else.
No, to conservatism.
And it's because, I mean, look, every person I know I think this is super weird.
I think it's culturally anemic when it comes to politics for conservatives, lesbians.
The gay community is coming around.
The lesbian community is not great for us.
But here's what I'll tell you is that there are so many We're winning over men in such high numbers.
So we should win over people who want to be men?
No, so there's more masculine women.
There's always, and they say this in the gay relationship, there's always a more feminine partner and there's always a more masculine partner in a lesbian relationship.
The more masculine partner should definitely be voting for Trump.
No question.
If you're a caretaker, provider, you like doing those things, there's a lot of the same vibes.
They just have to discover it, right?
There's tons of blue collar in the lesbian community.
So the data shows that lesbians are actually slightly, no, I'm sorry, that gays are slightly, gay men are slightly more What I think is interesting about this old chart is it says that about 8% of gay men are Republican and then 4% of lesbians and 7% of bisexuals and it's still that all LGBT are still 8% Republican which just shows gay men are like vastly outnumbered like the real reason yeah like the reason lesbians should go right-wing is like the the trans phenomenon is like a genocide of lesbians basically
I think lesbians who are actually Republican just aren't vocal because it's so unpopular with the crossover between feminism and lesbian issues.
So two questions.
Number one, in these pride parades, do you see a lot of lesbians present?
It seems mostly a gay men phenomenon.
No, there are.
I don't go to pride parades.
Well, I don't either, Blake.
So that's why I'm asking.
No clips.
Like clips.
I don't watch clips of Pride Parades either.
Blake, why did you think Charlie was asking you?
It's in your face.
Come on, it's on the Telegram channel.
Don't act like you're oblivious to gay Pride Parades.
Jack, am I on to something here?
It seems to be more gay men than lesbians.
Am I right?
So it's, yeah, it's gay men, it's drag queens, and it's male to female trans, but in terms of the numbers, again, Yeah, it seems to be way fewer lesbians.
Have you guys felt a more muted Pride Month than in years past?
Yes.
This year?
100%.
Do you agree, Tyler?
I was talking about this with Noah.
This seems way chiller Pride Month.
Last year it was like literally- It was out of control.
You couldn't turn anywhere without it being Pride Month.
This year has been like- it's the target effect.
I think it's the target effect.
I think they're afraid that doing like this stuff in public Actually hurts them in the election.
Yes.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
They muted it.
I think it's totally muted.
It's been way turned down.
And even in Detroit, I was expecting a lot more in downtown Detroit.
I mean, we had the it was pretty good in Detroit.
There was there was for example, like Google's homepage is about soccer right now.
We're still in the month of pride.
Yeah, I saw flags all over Detroit.
And by the way, we went into we drove through Ohio as well.
And I saw them in Sandusky, I saw them in Toledo, I saw them in Cleveland.
So here's here's one danger that I see among the right or just among the sort of like anti-woke crowd.
People are saying that, OK, is it a muted, you know, is it a muted Pride Month?
Yes.
But at the same time, just because it's muted doesn't mean that the Overton window hasn't been completely shifted from where it was just a decade ago in terms of acceptance of this and not only The acceptance, but also the this sort of idea that, you know, Pride Month is normalized.
So the normalization is still there.
And that's what I'm saying.
It isn't necessarily whether or not it's as in your face as it was.
But I think the normalization has already been achieved.
Okay, that was a detour segment.
It was a bit, but it actually works out for one of the things we wanted to talk about.
Phobias, right?
Obviously we hear about homophobia, transphobia.
We've frequently had people point out that they don't really have a conventional arachnophobia-style fear of gays.
Probably is more accurate for transphobia.
I think a few people do recoil if they see Babs the Drag Queen show up in a kindergarten.
We had a lot of fun talking last week about tipping, so we thought this week we could just say, do you have any real... The chambermaid kind of said it.
Yeah, so the question is, do you have any real phobias?
Not like fake phobias.
I don't know the clinical term.
I'm very afraid of like rats and mice.
I get very skittish if there's like a mouse or a rat around.
Incredibly so.
Really?
Yeah.
You're lucky you live out here.
That's moosophobia.
What?
Moosophobia.
So not mouse, but moosophobia.
I wouldn't say it's a phobia.
I hate heights, though.
Do not like them.
Hate heights.
Like, how bad?
Like, have you gone to the Grand Canyon and you can't go near the ledge and all that?
I mean, I can go near the ledge.
Here's how bad.
If I'm on, like, the 15th floor of a high-rise, and it's like a balcony, I can chill there.
I can't, like, go up and look down.
I think that most people are like that.
I don't know if... Like, could you, like, look over a balcony and look down to the ground?
Yeah, I think... Do you hear what I'm saying, Tyler?
I mean, that spooks me out, right?
I hate it.
Okay.
I was actually... Yeah, see, Angelo said this.
I get a weird feeling in my feet with balconies.
I'm right there with him.
So, what other fears do I have?
I'll let you guys... Would it be bad, like, when you lived in D.C., D.C.
definitely has rats that are visible.
Oh, no, no, I literally... Rats?
I do, like, I've always hated the idea of just, like, a critter crawling around.
Hate it.
So I legit, um, I've, I've talked about this publicly before.
I legit have misophonia.
Um, so no, no, no, no, no, not misophonia or musophonia, but actually misophonia, which is different from misophobia.
So that's when, um, Chewing, slurping, lip smacking, heavy breathing sounds.
They just drive me nuts.
So what's really weird is that, you know, because I knew somebody was going to do this.
It doesn't actually bother me when someone does it deliberate.
It's only when people are doing it.
Stop it.
I hate it too.
As an accident that it drives me nuts.
So or people are doing it like without involuntarily when someone does it.
Yeah, on an airplane, in a movie theater, and it doesn't, and so it just, I mean, I feel like this irritation, just straight up anger, rage, reaction, disgust, reaction, like I have in my youth when some friends have tried to mess with me, I've given people stitches over this.
Um, it's like, it just really, really, really rubs me the wrong way.
I have another one.
If there were anything I could do to fix it, I would totally do it.
Yeah, Terrell has this also really bad, by the way.
Here's another one I hate.
I am afraid to go under general anesthesia.
Ooh.
I've done it.
I absolutely hate it.
Oh my goodness.
I feel like you're dying.
Like, do you get like the shakes?
Like, do you?
Oh, I like freak out if I have to go under.
How do you do it?
That's a reasonable fear.
I mean, I've only ever done it once.
I've done it twice in my life.
Uh, and it's the worst thing ever.
I think it's more, you literally just like to give me every drug.
I think it's more reasonable to be afraid of anesthesia than it is to be of like irrational fears of doctors.
No, I'm not.
I think it's very rational to be afraid of, like, losing all consciousness.
You don't dream, you have no consciousness.
Yeah, I've only done it once.
I got my wisdom teeth out, but for me it was not a big deal.
I guess it was like, oh, thing makes me go to sleep.
Maybe I'd be more scared now.
It's not sleep, though.
That's what people don't understand.
You realize that they stick, they intubate you.
Yeah, yeah.
Because you don't breathe.
Yeah.
They have to then make you breathe with the tube.
So literally, like, your entire being is at their mercy.
There's a lot of stuff I probably would have been more freaked out if I knew more.
Like, now I know that they can screw it up where you'll be unable to move but you'll still feel everything and be conscious.
No, no, no, I know this.
This is why I was so deathly afraid.
My whole schedule was, like, revolving around this for, like, two weeks and I was, like, obsessing about it.
Freaking out about it.
Craziest thing I remember about it is just the way it'll be like, okay, we're gonna count down from 10... Oh, no, it's the worst.
...9... No, no, no, I can't even think about it.
...8, and you wake up!
You wake up, and it's seven hours later or whatever, and... Well, if it was seven hours later, that's... it's... Whatever, an hour later.
I don't know.
No, I can't even think about it.
My biggest fear.
I have a fear.
I don't have a fear of very many things, but I have a recurring nightmare.
I have several.
So I have a recurring nightmare that's like a very specific nightmare.
And so it's led me to what I've learned is amaxophobia, which is the fear of getting run over by a car.
And so I have this recurring nightmare.
I'm walking through a large Walmart parking lot.
And I walk behind a car and wonder while I was playing in the parking lot.
By Oasis.
This has happened.
I've had this dream.
Well, by Wonderwall.
I've had this same dream 10 times.
There's probably a meaning.
Wonderwall is playing in the background and I'm just walking through with a bag in my hand and a car just backs over me and I'm dead.
Is it like just abrupt or does it like come from a long distance?
I wake up.
I wake up.
Gotta play Wonderwall, guys.
Come on.
We gotta get out.
Wonderwall plays.
I'm walking through the parking lot and then like all of a sudden a car just like guns it and backs over me and I'm dead.
This is a recurring dream.
I have another fear.
Growing up, I was always deathly afraid that our house was going to get burglarized.
And so I got into guns super young.
And I still, I mean, we have tons of weapons.
If anyone even like gets near us, it's just...
It's open season, like super death.
I fear because we grew up in a house with a lot of windows in suburban Chicago, kind of like in the woods.
You've been to my house.
It's like where I grew up.
It's kind of like a sitting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because it's I mean, it's all wooded around.
It's all wooded glass.
And so your guys' house is cool.
It's amazing.
I grew up.
And so we have like tons of weapons and tons of dogs.
Yeah, I would say I actually, Tyler, I was just going to say that it's not a phobia, but since you mentioned it, I this hasn't occurred in a while.
I haven't had a dream in years.
Just absolute years.
Positive, negative, just no dreams whatsoever.
You know Mikey McCoy doesn't dream either?
And I'm like, dude, something's wrong with you.
How is that possible?
He doesn't dream either?
I dream when I nap.
Oh yeah.
I haven't had a dream.
Wait, so Jack, let me understand.
Did you like get your head hit or something or like something change?
No, not that I know of.
I mean, I never had an injury or anything.
I've just I've just haven't had one.
I got to look.
And I used to all the time.
I used to, you know, it used to be something that I prayed about.
I'd be like, oh, I pray I don't have a bad dream tonight.
That kind of thing.
Like before you go to bed, when you're when you're saying your prayers, which I still do every night.
But I just I haven't.
I used to always pray to never have a bad dream.
And when I was a kid and now for years, I want to say It's probably been over a decade since I've had a dream.
It's probably been over a decade.
What?! !
That's crazy.
Do you dream, Blake?
Yeah.
Not super often.
I used to dream more, and I would have these strangely... I dream every night!
And my dreams were usually kind of negative.
Like, I would have a dream... A very recurring theme in my dreams will be, like, there was a sense of, like, pervading, escalating doom.
So a lot of... It's weird.
Really?
Blake having dreams about pervading, escalating doom?
I'm so surprised!
So a lot of people have dreams, you know, where you go into school...
You go into school and like you have the quiz you didn't study for.
I never get that dream.
Every dream you can imagine I've had.
I don't get that dream.
The dream I will have is it'll be like I'm back in school like in college or in high school and it won't be about I won't be in class I won't be doing but I'll like it'll be a fact in the background of this dream and I just know it that like I'm failing the class and at the end of the term like I'll be screwed but like the hammer hasn't come down yet so I'll have that.
The more exciting ones it'll be like I'm in A movie or something and we're like resisting the evil totalitarian regime, but we don't defeat the totalitarian regime.
The ending is always like they entrap us and catch us and then like I wake up because I'm about to like... This explains so much!
I would also say it's not crippling, but I'd say relative to the average person I Probably kind of have a mild fear of the dark.
Like it makes me uncomfortable.
Like that's interesting.
Yeah.
Oh, you know what?
Like dark space.
I've never had such a fear of that.
Yeah.
That's that just, that just reminded me of something that just totally reminded the middle spaces.
Yeah.
No, it reminds me of, you know, what freaks me out is when you're, when you're underwater in, we used to go to this Lake up in Canada, uh, just North of like Kingston.
So in, in Ontario and, When you open your eyes underwater and you can't see the bottom, that freaks me out.
Oh yeah, fear of the deep, that's a thing.
I mean, I would totally have that.
I don't like... yeah.
That's called thalassophobia.
It's so amazing how people are wired differently.
I follow that.
Which is very related to... Some people are super afraid of sharks.
Like I've never been afraid of sharks in my life.
Yeah.
Like ever.
And so people are deathly afraid.
Yeah, like I've only swam in the ocean once in my life.
And it's never been that appealing to me.
Whatever.
It's open water, like whatever.
You know it's weird.
Really?
Have you ever been in like a lake or something?
And you're not afraid of anything.
Like I got to like, but then something will like, like.
Brush your leg.
Brush you.
And then it's like, then you're like, you're going to hit your head.
And you're going to be like.
A thing that has haunted me for ages is like one time someone
told me like just for kicks like free, hold your legs like still
under water.
And then like some fish kind of just like.
Like brush.
Like not even brush it kind of like sucked on the leg or whatever.
And like that freaked me out.
And I've been like, like to this day, I cannot hold my legs still if I am in a body of water
I never want to repeat that again.
It's amazing.
That was 25 years ago.
I'm going to tell you about a dream I had last week and it was a real dream.
But it's amazing how much film influences our fears.
So I was in Maine last summer and I was so freaked out even though it's like so unlikely because a freaking Stephen King.
Pardon me.
who should, um, near banger area.
Extra that speaking of terrible boomer, Stephen King is like the worst
boomer in the world.
He should be shot to Neptune.
Extra that, that, that, that too.
No, I'm not kidding.
He's already, that's already 2025 is that Steven King gets shot up.
Steven, we're putting you on Voyager 3.
He's a Mainer. That's what I'm saying.
He has this weird, creepy home in Maine.
In Banger, Maine.
So anyway...
I've been to his house.
I put a copy of The Art of the Deal in his mailbox.
It's amazing.
Oh, I love that.
I'm going to send him right when we're in Lucien.
There's this kind of constant recurring theme.
Yeah.
No.
And it's like how film impacts you.
No.
If you're in the Northeast near the woods, you think an axe murder is going to come to you.
Yeah. Right. I mean, and you see it actually makes you.
So there's something you agree with.
There's something about the Northeast.
There's something about the North.
No, it's because you've been propagandized.
I don't believe it. No, no, no.
Because I've been going to Maine since I was two years old.
And I've always felt that it feels weird up there.
I've always felt like a lot of things.
So do you know that actually at the end in the inlet in Mount Desert Desert Island, right there at Acadia National Park, that that was one of the places of the largest human sacrifices recorded in indigenous people in like Native American history?
Well, there you go.
And and look, this is what Stephen King was writing about.
This is what Pet Cemetery is about.
This is what H.P.
Lovecraft, by the way.
H.P.
Lovecraft had a ton of ties into the Eldritch Horrors.
This is all the shadow over Innsmouth and all these different things.
Totally.
There's there's some weird dark energy over there that I'm telling you.
But let me let me finish my dream.
So anyway, I just want to put that.
I get what you're saying, but I am also saying separately there.
So so another one is that if you're driving just how I once landed in Fayetteville Airport super late at night and like when you land in Fayetteville, Arkansas, there's nothing.
And you start driving through these, and literally, Mikey, Dan, and I were like, an axe murderer's gonna come out with a chainsaw and kill us.
I've had that thought.
Like, I've had the irrational thought.
It's related to the fear of the dark thing.
Yes.
And this is also the horror movie thing.
Like, the recurring thought in my head is... That's what I'm saying, is that the horror movie propagandized us to believe that rural America has a bunch of guys with chainsaws waiting to kill us.
Or just, I'll be in my apartment, and I need to keep the lights on, or I need to go to that.
I need to keep the lights on or I know like I'll turn the lights off and I'll turn around and like Mike Myers the yes with the mask on will be there and this is the power of film by the way that's why a lot of the open water okay so let me tell you I have a response to that I don't want to forget this hold on Jack my dream it's very simple I woke up at 3 a.m.
very upset I kid you not Tyler in the dream in the dream we were sitting here at this doing the show And we didn't chase enough ballots and Biden won Arizona.
I kid you not.
I kid you not.
I swear on a stack of Bibles, I woke up and I was pacing around and I was like, I can't sleep.
And I did not go back to sleep for two hours.
Because it was so vivid and I was so angry.
And I was so angry.
I was like, we could have done more.
We could have registered more voters.
No!
And I woke up and I was like, the children are like, daddy, what's the matter?
All the time.
So that those are my dreams.
I wake up thinking something happened.
I had heart palpitations.
I was like, I worried about, and it's, it's a totally different, it's a totally, it's like an alternate reality.
And I literally was as vivid it could be.
It's like, and they were like, now all of Arizona's 11 electoral votes called for Biden.
So Stephen King has written all this, these several cringe stories about like evil right wing political figures.
I wonder if we could get him to write a horror story about us, about like about evil Charlie Kirk or whatever, like where you're a demon.
I think that'd be fun if we, if he did that.
Let me, let me, you know, it's, it's flattering.
Let me, let me throw my response to this, this whole we've been, we've been propagandized for movies because I've always said this going back to the original John Carpenter in what was that 79 I think it came out the first Michael Myers movie of Halloween that the only time they ever actually show the Midwest in Hollywood movies is in horror every single literally all of strange
All of straight, no, that's Chicago.
Well, it's still like a more urban area.
Chicago is the Midwest.
It's the heart of the Midwest, Jack, but please continue.
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm talking about like, I'm talking about like the, the more, more rural Midwest.
It's not necessarily Halloween.
Let him finish.
So, so I've never, I've never had an issue going to the Midwest, even though I've seen every single one of those movies and I've seen all of those series.
I don't have any prejudice going to Midwest thinking like, oh, yeah, this is where it happens.
Well, you know why, Jack?
In Halloween, Halloween, of course, takes place in Ohio or something, but they filmed it in Pasadena, California, and then they just had bags of leaves and they would dump them out and they would have to gather back up and dump them out every time they had to shoot a new scene because, of course, they didn't What Halloween are they on right now?
They're like 14 or 15.
So they well, they made a bunch and then they rebooted it with movies made by Rob Zombie.
And then they rebooted it again.
And I think they just finished a trilogy of the third reboot of Halloween.
So it's it's it's a third.
It's a it's it's kind of hard to explain because it's not even necessarily a reboot.
It's like they brought back Jamie Lee Curtis.
Yes.
They brought back like Jamie Lee Curtis.
And they've ignored a bunch of the sort of filler ones.
And the last couple, the last one's horrible.
It's just absolutely god-awful.
One of the ones, I think the first one where they brought her back was pretty good, but this last one was god-awful.
And so these are just sort of follow-ons from the original, if that makes sense.
So any other fears, guys?
I think it's amazing how many of our fears are actually placed upon us by cultural media.
What's the chat been saying?
I haven't looked at the chat.
The chat?
What are they afraid of?
A lot of people are just posting about being in Maine or Massachusetts.
Maine is objectively one of the most beautiful places, however... Snakes are the worst, says Keith Saunders, 25.
Yes, snakes are evil.
The Bible is clear on this.
I suppose they probably queued this up, so I'm just going to stare directly at you, Charlie, in case they're doing it.
What?
I don't like giant spiders.
Like, normal spiders are okay.
Yeah, like tarantulas?
Yeah, even like, if I'm playing like a video game, like one the size of like a mountain lion will really, like... But I think if you like them...
Then you got serious problems.
What are we looking at here?
Spiders.
Not looking.
I'm not looking.
Not gonna turn my eyes.
See, that doesn't bother me that much.
Did you watch Arachnophobia?
Nope.
Not going to.
That doesn't bother me that much.
No, I agree.
I have a theory as to why.
I know, I'm super afraid of clowns, and I think they're so creepy.
No, no, no, I have a whole theory as to this.
Wait, how did you not lead off with that?
No, because it's not like, it's not, I can get through it, but it's on the list, okay?
Um, it's on the list.
Let me tell you why clowns are, I have a whole theory on this.
It's the forced happiness.
It's because it's so overly dramatic, and you could tell that it's just a shtick.
There's something that, like, bothers my soul.
So are you scared of sad clowns?
I don't like clowns in general.
And by the way, there's, like, there's a term for this, actually, clown fear.
Speaking of, speaking of... No, it's pretty widespread.
It's not an uncommon thing to not be bothered by clowns.
Colophobia.
Speaking of which, when's the last time any of you saw Ronald McDonald?
Uh, didn't they remove them?
So, do you remember there was that meme a few years ago, like this must have been a little bit before Trump or around that time, 16, 17?
There was like this spate of people supposedly seeing like creepy clowns in the woods and it was like a meme that allegedly people were just dressing up as scary clowns and then people were worried someone was gonna get like beat up or shot over this.
And when that was the McDonald's just was they temporarily removed Ronald McDonald because like, oh, this is going on.
But in reality, they sent him to a farm in upstate New York, you know, to play with the other animals.
And he's never been seen since.
Other fears.
Oh, but my ultimate fear, ultimate fear.
I got no.
Now this is the one I forgot being there.
Someone in the chat said the WNBA being buried alive.
Yeah, that is actually one of them.
I think it's number one.
I think about that.
I would rather be burned alive.
I would rather be drowned alive than buried alive.
Okay, I definitely would be drowning would be the scariest of meme deaths to me.
I don't like the idea I think in my head I know that being buried alive is the absolute worst because you don't know the moment that you're not going to be able to have consciousness.
I guess the difference for me with being buried alive is I kind of know intuitively you just sort of, I think, kind of fall asleep basically.
Whereas with drowning... No, no, it's suffocation.
Being buried alive is suffocation.
Okay, yeah. Or like carbon monoxide poisoning from your...
Yes.
I can't remember how it is.
From yourself, yeah.
I don't know, for me, drowning. I hate the idea of drowning where like you kind of go insane while
drowning, like you freak out and like you start inhaling water because you're trying so desperately
to breathe and stuff. It's not a fun experience.
The surprisingly pleasant way to go is hypothermia, which like creeps some people out.
You get warm and numb.
Yeah, you just kind of go numb and fall.
That is one where you definitely fall asleep.
But yeah, I don't know.
Bury alive has never bothered me quite as much.
Maybe the claustrophobia would be bad, but I've never buried myself alive, so I can't say.
Have you guys noticed that that Trump has been talking like a lot lately about ways to die?
And he's been talking about this on and at the rallies.
He talked about it a little bit in Detroit, even.
So, no, remember that whole thing about the electric cars and the sharks when he talks about this, where he's like, he's like, oh, well, if I'm in a Tesla and it's flooding and the battery is going to electrocute me that, you know, but then I see a big shark coming, I think, which do I want to take my chances with the electrocution or the shark?
And he goes, I'm going electrocution.
I'd much rather have that than the shark.
You're right.
It's like he's thinking about this.
He's totally thinking about this.
We got to get rather be electrocuted.
I want him on thought crime.
I've been saying this behind the scenes for a long look.
Our one year is coming up.
Our one year is coming up.
It's he was just on all in today.
We've missed a couple of weeks.
So you're in there.
So it's probably been about a year.
Final topic.
We have another partner to say here.
No, we have, uh, no, I think those are our two.
Uh, final thoughts or topic here really quickly?
Um, do we want to talk about the, we could talk about the Ten Commandments, or since you're afraid of rats, we could talk about rat boys.
Yes, no, let's, let's close with rat boys.
Okay, all right.
No, by the way, that, that kid from Dune is a rat boy.
Yes, he is one of the rat boys.
Total rat boy.
And as soon as I saw a picture of him, I said, I bet women will find him attractive.
No, I knew it.
I mean, obviously, I have an unblemished record of heterosexuality, but as soon as I saw him, I said, I bet women will find him to be appealing.
No muscle mass, no aggression, basically a femboy.
Yeah, so we were interrogating the girls about this just a little bit ago, before they were drafted and sent to Syria.
We wished them the best.
Uh, and I guess they're calling it... That's big.
Instead of White Boy Summer, it's Rat Boy Summer.
And it is these... You can see them on screen.
It's basically rat-faced men.
They're, like, short.
They have... No muscle mass.
No muscle mass.
They have, uh, kind of twinkish bodies.
They have sort of elongated faces.
I feel like they've always been in vogue, though, in Hollywood.
Not quite.
You do have shorter guys, but it's like Tom Cruise.
Like, you don't necessarily realize Tom Cruise is a tall guy.
I wouldn't say that he's a rat boy.
He's not.
That's what I'm saying.
He's not.
But yeah, so now we have this Timothy Chalamet, however you say it.
He's the guy from Dune.
But he's like 5'8", or 5'10", I think.
But that's... 5'10", officially, probably means 5'7", 5'8", for real.
And I guess they're pushing these as super duper hot dream boys.
Now, according to Daisy and Emma, before they were drafted, they said there's a level of irony to this, like they're not conventionally hot, and so therefore they're hot.
But I mean, we have come a long way from just, you know, let's just put Brad Pitt out there and have him be a sex symbol.
I can't comment most... all I can say is it doesn't... it surprises me nothing.
Weakness is now desirable.
Strength is a threat.
It is funny to me that they have this Timothee Chalamet guy as...
Like, the product of a millennia-long breeding program to basically create the perfect male as the plot of the Dune movies.
Although, I think he does actually reflect kind of how Paul is supposed to be in the books.
But, I don't know.
It is just funny to imagine that, you know, this 5'10 Frenchman is the peak of all human genetic engineering and eugenics for 5,000 years.
We're far from eugenics.
In closing, I don't have anything more about Rat Boys.
Nothing more about Rat Boys.
Jack, you want to read your new novel?
The night Arizona spoke, in the chilly pre-dawn hours of November 4th, the small town of Desert Springs, Arizona, lay cloaked in a silence that seemed to hum with tension.
Across the nation, airwaves crackled with the news and updates.
Our anticipation mounting with each passing minute.
It was election night and the race was tighter than a noose around the neck of hope.
Charlie Kirk, a fervent supporter and key strategist for President Trump, had pinned his dreams on this election.
But little did he know something dark and inexplicable was about to unfold.
Mr. Kirk!
A young age called, his voice trembling slightly.
We're getting some unusual reports from Desert Springs.
Charlie's eyes narrowed.
Unusual?
How so?
The aide hesitated, glancing at other staffers who are now all around.
Strange things are happening with the voting machines.
They're malfunctioning.
People are saying they're seeing things.
Seeing things?
Charlie repeated, a skeptical eyebrow arched.
What kind of things?
Faces!
The aide said, his voice barely a whisper.
Faces of the dead!
How long did it take ChadCPT to do that?
Uh, three seconds.
Oh, there's like so much more to this, by the way.
If you guys want to hear the rest of it, go to charliekirk.com.
Daisy did send me a message.
She wanted to clarify that she and Emma do think rat boys are super hot, and they're super desirable, and they're pushing back on you, Charlie.
They think that they are, like, the picture of masculinity today.
They can meet one in Damascus.
Yeah.
Yeah, they will.
There's plenty of rat boys in the Middle East.
Okay, I'm waiting for her to send me an angry message.
Okay, she's going to flip out.
No, I'm just messing with them.
But they did not actually do that.
Oh no, now the angry messages are coming in.
Oh no!
They're going to shoot me with their M4!
That's right, Blake.
Look what you've opened.
And they know how to use it.
Oh crap.
Oh no.
Alright, everybody.
That was a wonderful episode.
Stay based, avoid clowns, spiders, and defeat in November.
