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Biden's Dementia: A "Cheap Fake" or Worse Than Ever?
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Hey everybody, Tanner Charlie Kirk Show.
We have Rich Barris join the program to break down the latest polling news.
Are they going to poll Joe Biden?
We discussed that.
And then we also have coach Senator Tuberville from Alabama to talk deep fakes and illegal immigration.
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Just a quick news item.
We had Clayton from The Bachelor on a couple weeks ago about his lawsuit, his potential lawsuit, against this woman that wrongly accused him.
You remember that whole thing?
He won his case and he believes that this is now going to the county attorney for prosecution after she wrongly accused him.
of something that was really bad.
So that's just a amazing update.
And maybe the legal system isn't totally dead.
So praise God.
Okay, so joining us now is Coach Tommy Tuberville, Senator from the great state of Alabama.
Senator, welcome to the program.
Senator, I want to start talking about this question of how many illegals might vote in this upcoming election.
What information can you share in that regard?
Well, who knows, Charlie.
This is a disaster.
This is the biggest nightmare this country's had in years and years.
It's embarrassing to know how many people that we've let come across.
You know, Joe Biden, every day, it seems like there's 100,000, 200,000, 300,000 that he
releases from asylum problems.
And so we really don't know.
You know, there's 19 states right now that give illegals driver's license.
And you know, if you get a driver's license, you can somehow some way register to vote.
So we got a huge problem.
You know, we can correct our justice system.
We can correct our education, the crime going across the country.
We can correct all that.
We can't correct with 10 million people coming across our borders in the last three years unless President Trump really, really comes up with a great scheme of getting these people back out of the country, back to where they belong.
So I'm curious.
Again, it's against the law to verify their citizenship, except amazingly in Arizona.
Arizona is one of the only states where it is now the law to verify citizenship.
So that's terrific.
62% of Americans support mass deportation.
Coach, does 62% of the U.S.
Senate support mass deportation?
Yeah, I think, well, not 62%.
I think you could say about 50-50.
I'm not sure we even have some of the rhinos that are for it, but I think we're pretty close to that.
But again, we have no other option.
Unless we want to continue down the path of Europe, what they've done to their countries the last 10, 12, 14 years in terms of mass migration and letting people come in that don't want to go by the rules, the laws, their customs, and they just want to do their own thing.
We're about 10 years behind Europe, maybe less than 10 years, and it's coming at a fast pace with what Obama and Biden have done to our country in the last 10-14 years.
It really is something else.
And so just one more comment on this, Coach.
I think the American people are increasingly on our side here.
Joe Biden has been running ads on television accusing Donald Trump of mass deportations.
But it turns out that's actually probably helping the Trump campaign.
So tell us more.
It seems as if this is not only the right issue, but more so than any other time, this is the winning political issue, mass deportations and securing our southern border.
Yeah, President Trump beat Hillary Clinton because of this one policy.
I think people across the country are sick and tired of not having a wall.
They're sick and tired of the crime that comes across the borders that are not checked.
And they're sick and tired of the Democrats standing up for the illegals.
more than they are for the people, the citizens that pay the taxes in this country. They're sick
and tired of that. And so this is going to be a winning issue. We hope that Joe Biden continues
down this path or whoever's running for president. I'm not so sure he's going to be the candidate,
but whoever runs, they're going to have to run on these same policies. And that's the reason that
President Trump has continued to gain momentum and situations like what happened in Baltimore
this past week with this young lady being murdered by an illegal just continues down
the path of, hey, we've got to make a change here because it's best for the country.
So you yourself took a picture of Joe Biden at a ceremony in Normandy, and then Karine Jean-Pierre had some comments on this.
Play cut 77.
Yeah, and I think you all have called this the cheap fakes video.
And that's exactly what they are.
They are cheap fakes video.
They are done in bad faith.
And some of your news organization have been very clear, have stressed that these right wing, the right wing critics of the president have a credibility problem because of the fact checkers have repeatedly caught them pushing misinformation, disinformation.
And so we see this and this is something coming from From your your part of the world calling them cheap fakes and misinformation.
So what exactly did you see, Coach?
Walk us through it.
Well, first of all, I was very disappointed what happened to there was 200 veterans that were there that actually landed in Normandy.
Only 200 remaining that are still alive.
The average age was 101, Charlie, and they all came in in wheelchairs
and they got their own time, ready to go at 1230.
Joe Biden shows up about what, 130, an hour late.
He left these people there that are over 100 years old out in the sun, in the cool weather
if they were in the shade.
And then Joe Biden comes stumbling out there on stage.
His wife's always got her hands on him to make sure he knows where to go and what to do.
And then I just happened to be taking this picture of him just dozing off.
I'm thinking, you know, I'm close.
I'm probably about 20 feet from him.
I didn't do it for any other reason.
I just got to get a picture to kind of send back to.
My staff to where they could put something up online and he just happened to be dozing off at that time.
So this is not fake news that the talking heads have there in the White House.
This is all news.
We've seen it for three years.
Come on.
They need to get a new life and try to get this guy across the finish line, their guy across the finish line.
Just tell the truth.
I think the American people would appreciate more of the truth other than kind of go around the facts.
Yeah, and this is a pretty remarkable thing, so I'm just curious, did Macron have to nudge him to stay awake?
Yeah, I noticed him looking over and kind of making some faces a couple of times about the actions and what was going on between he and his wife during the whole ceremony.
His wife wouldn't even, she wouldn't even acknowledge, she wouldn't even look over, because you can tell there was something going on with Joe at that time.
Of course, when you're on Normandy time, what is that, seven, eight hours difference?
And you can tell he hadn't adjusted to the time, but I don't think you ever adjust to any time.
He's just a guy that's having huge problems, and his health is going down every day, and they can't hide it.
They're trying to, but they can't hide it.
He's got to get out and personally do something.
And I think next week, Will be the telling tale for President Biden with the debate coming up.
If he can handle his own, they might let him stay in the race.
But if he kind of sinks in his seat and freezes a couple of times, that'll be the end of Joe Biden's run for the second term.
And Biden keeps on freezing.
And this one's amazing.
This is from the Los Angeles fundraiser.
We haven't played this yet on the program.
Can we play Cut 78 here with Jimmy Kimmel and Barack Obama?
Now, Coach, you've dealt with a fair amount of concussed football players in the past.
What am I looking at here?
He's got huge problems.
He has mental lapses.
You know, what happened the first two years, Charlie, we can all remember them letting Joe Biden go out and try to push him through these press conferences or speeches, and then he would turn around, shake hands with a ghost, try to walk off the wrong side of the stage, looking for an exit ramp.
And everybody, we all kept saying, somebody please help the man.
You know, the President of the United States doesn't need to look this way.
Can you imagine what the leaders across the world are saying about Joe Biden at this time?
Now, they're obviously putting people on stage with him, and their former President Obama had to Grab him.
He'd probably still be standing there had President Biden not been there or President Obama been there to lead him off.
But it's just a sad state of affairs.
Unfortunately, he's the President of the United States and we're looking down the barrel of a gun of three wars.
Inflation just skyrocketing.
We have no Justice Department.
Everything is just going haywire.
And here's a guy that he's really a sick man.
He is coach.
Thank you for your leadership.
And I don't know if Joe Biden's going to remain in, if they pull them, that will be, that'll be something else.
And I just want to make sure you are getting your colleagues ready.
July 11th.
If they put Donald Trump in a prison cell on July 11th, we're going to need a counter from Congress.
We're going to need all true, all hands on deck.
Thank you, coach.
Thank you, Charlie.
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One of the most important selections that Donald Trump will make is for the Attorney General.
They're trying to put Steve Bannon in a security situation, or lack thereof, where he will get murdered or raped.
That is what Aaron Burnett said last evening on CNN.
They're gonna try to throw Donald Trump in prison before the election, and we need to be ready for that.
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He's the candidate.
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If any arm of the government has grown drunk on its power and sense of entitlement, it is the FBI.
The FBI likes to cultivate the impression that it is somehow an autonomous arm of government, not subject to the elected chief executive.
Based on this, it does things like launch investigations of active presidential campaigns because its personnel don't like the campaign positions on Russia.
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Former Trump staffer James Bacon came on my show in summer 2023 and described a surprising role model conservatives should look to.
Dick Cheney.
Cheney was such an active president at the Department of Defense that he had his own office set up at the Pentagon.
Cheney, he said, understood that the only way to make sure the administration's priorities were executed was to give bureaucrats orders face to face.
J.D.
Katie Vance, or whomever Donald Trump's VP should do.
Once a week, have the Attorney General walk across the street to the FBI building and
review all the cases they're working on.
If he finds a weird case, like targeting a conservative group for partisan reasons, he
should say, this case is closed.
Thanks.
And who thought this was a good idea?
Pack your stuff and get out.
Active management is the order of the day.
Boss people around.
Included in this book, Right Wing Revolution, is a blueprint for how Trump should govern.
So what I talk about here is whoever the Attorney General is, maybe it's Mark Paoletta, walks over, show me all the cases.
This one's deleted.
This one's deleted.
Not doing this.
Not doing this.
Drop this case and do these five.
That's how the Attorney General should operate.
Instead, Bill Barr and Rod Rosenstein before, and a little bit of Jeff Sessions, they were the ones that were working for the employees.
The employees were not working for them.
Taking command and control of the Department of Justice is one of the most important things we can do.
Active management is the order of the day, and we need to boss people around.
Again, Dick Cheney understood that this was the way to operate.
I continue by saying that we need to lay off the State Department.
Revoke the orders once the President has prioritized crafting an executive branch that actually obeys him.
At the outside of this chapter, I mentioned that President repealing Executive Order 11246.
No more backstabbers.
We have, by the way, the detail in this book of exactly what the President should do.
Revive Executive Order 13950.
Defund the NGOs and the DEI racket.
Here's one that I want to talk about.
Sell the land.
One excellent way to make sure that those single family homes go up instead of high rise apartments is to free up the land to build them.
East of the Mississippi, almost all the land is owned by the private sector or state and local governments.
But in America's western states, gargantuan amounts of land, even right outside the cities, is owned by the federal government.
In Utah, Nevada, Idaho, it's more than 60%.
By the way, this is something I'm going to personally lobby the president for, President Trump, if, God willing, he wins.
I'm going to say, why don't you just go give the land back to Arizona?
Giving the land back or selling the land to the private sector is one of the easiest things that Trump can do, and he can do it by executive order.
On page 163, we can do this.
We should still, of course, protect our open spaces like national parks and national monuments, but I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about major amounts of non-protected land.
Nevada, 97% of the state of Nevada, according to some estimates, Show that it's almost all federally controlled.
Sell the land, bring it back to the states, back to the people.
80%, I'm sorry, 80% of Nevada is BLM.
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Mr. Sergio is out there making calls with the president, with the Prime Minister of Hungary.
He's doing all sorts of stuff.
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Okay.
We got Rich Barris here from Big Data Polls, People Pundit Daily.
Rich, welcome to the program.
Rich, I want to get right into it here.
We'll get into the straw poll over the weekend in a second here.
Make sense of the Iowa-Minnesota dynamic.
What's going on here?
Woo!
And I would throw Wisconsin into that too, Charlie.
Look, let me give people a little bit of a flashback.
And as always, thanks for having me on.
In 2016, when Trump beat Clinton, the last Des Moines Register poll in Iowa was Trump plus 7.
And those who got that election wrong would later look back and say, you know what, Ann Seltzer is the gold standard in the Midwest, or that in Iowa specifically.
Maybe we should have taken that as a sign that Trump's strength in the Midwest is stronger than the other polls suggested, right?
So when 2020 rolled around, Trump would, of course, go on to win the state by roughly 8 and 10 points, or 10 and 8, respectively, in 2016 and 2020.
So he was actually understated in that poll.
win the state by roughly 8 and 10 points or 10 and 8 respectively in 16 and 20.
So he was actually understated in that poll.
And the reason why people thought that is because of the overlapping demographics in
states like Minnesota and in states like Wisconsin.
I can get very specific about that.
We're not just talking about white vs. Hispanic vs. Black.
We're talking about very specific German ethnic ancestry and then of course Norwegian vs. other Swedes.
Finns, or other Scandinavians like Swedes and Finns, which tend to be more liberal.
So when Trump is doing this well with Norwegians, who are Catholic, and both Catholic and Protestant, but even Catholic, and then of course with doing better than expected with other ethnicities of Scandinavian descent, it means he's going to romp in the parts of Wisconsin where they share those ethnicities.
And by the way, notoriously difficult to poll a state like Wisconsin.
Uh, Minnesota crept up on Hillary Clinton.
She didn't realize that he was doing that, that much better with those.
And what does it mean?
It means in Minnesota, in the twin city suburbs, he's really not at 40%.
He's more like probably at 46, 48.
And that's a problem because Democrats need to run up the numbers outside the twin city burbs.
Uh, because if they don't, They're already losing the Iron Range.
They lost the Southeast to Trump.
They lost, of course, the Southwest is already conservative.
It does mean, you know, let me just put this simply, Charlie, you're not going to win Iowa by 18 points and lose Minnesota by 10 or even 5.
It's dead even.
You're not going to win Iowa by 18 points and lose Wisconsin.
Not trying to make people complacent.
I just want to say that right now.
No, I think I don't want to give you complacency.
This is very important.
These things happen in trends.
So, for example, someone in Waterloo, Iowa, or somebody in Marshallton, Iowa, where my family is originally from, they see the world very similarly to somebody in Waukesha, Wisconsin.
So their values are the same?
Very.
So even though they don't know each other, so if they're processing information a certain way, it's almost a Midwest straw poll.
And what's her name again?
I'm sorry, I want to give her credit.
This pollster in Iowa?
Ann Seltzer.
Is it Seltzer or Salsa?
I'm kidding, that's a Seinfeld joke.
Seltzer.
Seltzer.
Without a T. Yeah.
S-O-O, right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Seinfeld.
Oh man, I got it.
It did.
Yeah, sorry.
So Anne, she's the gold standard.
She's as good as it gets.
And so I don't want people to get complacent, but now I want to get to the next element of this.
There's so much to discuss.
I saw more freak out amongst Democrats that are smart yesterday than any time in recent history, because they say, whoa, 18 in Iowa is a spell doom for the Midwest.
Are they one?
Can they pull Biden?
You know, I know the conversation, and I gotta tell you, I'm a skeptic on this.
And I'm a skeptic for two reasons.
One is, well, I guess there's the minutiae, it's more than two reasons.
But one is, you have people around Joe Biden who are at great risk, and they, I would say even, they have exposure.
And if they let Biden get pulled, if Trump wins and comes back to the White House, they can be in deep trouble.
So this is like about survival for them.
And then secondly, there's the mechanics of it.
You already had millions and millions and millions and millions of people vote for Joe Biden in the primary, while he was not a strong incumbent in the primary.
Those people are still going to be very upset that they were given other choices.
The Dean Phillipses, the Marion Williams, not you, great choices.
But they were given choices, and they chose to stick with Biden, and they're really going to anger those people.
And thirdly, the mechanics of the convention itself, superdelegates are powerful, but when you have the White House, you have an enormous amount of control over those superdelegates and their future.
So they would have to think that Their gamble against the president is worth it, and I don't know that anyone could convince those people of that.
And then, again, the bottom line is here.
Joe Biden, we've polled everybody.
Gavin Newsom, Michelle Obama, as crazy as it sounds, Charlie, Joe Biden is actually the strongest candidate against Donald Trump.
Their bench is, well, the bench that people know right now, because there are potentially strong candidates sitting on the Democratic bench right now.
It's just that America doesn't know them.
And we're already, it's June 18th.
You know, it's June 18th.
Could they pull somebody off that bench and re-engineer all of this?
By the way, leapfrogging over the first non-white vice presidential potential replacement.
Oh, that's fair play.
Cornell West will get to double digits if they do that.
the I hate that.
It sounds so like People's Magazine tabloidy, but she seems like she doesn't want it because if Michelle were to run, Michelle wants to win.
She doesn't want a nasty campaign.
I don't think Michelle wants to run.
I think she wants a coronation.
She sees something in the future.
If she wants to run, she wants something easy.
This would not be easy.
So talk about how Joe Biden might be the strongest of their remaining, but also talk about whomever gets this.
This is an impossible assignment if they do it.
You have to reintroduce yourself to the country.
You'll kind of be a mockery.
You'll navigate all that.
And has this ever happened in political history?
There's a lot there, Rich.
Go ahead.
Yeah, and I would say, too, with Michelle Obama, I'm not trying to attack her.
I'm just stating a fact.
It's a known fact, an open secret.
She's notoriously lazy.
She doesn't like to work hard for something.
I'm serious.
I'm not trying to attack her.
She's a lazy person.
She didn't even write her thesis in Princeton.
It's incoherent babble.
Yeah, keep going.
Yeah, she would want, like you said, a coronation under circumstances that are more like what Hillary Clinton got in 2016, which is just, it's her turn, get out of the way, Bernie Sanders, you're just a spoiler.
That's what she would want with a traditional opponent on the Republican side, not Donald Trump.
And I would argue actually that, look, Hillary Clinton in the Gallup poll when she was Secretary of State had re-engineered her image and was actually very popular, hitting in the 60s.
And then when the country got to nowhere again, they remembered why they didn't like Hillary Clinton to begin with.
I have a feeling that, you know, she's not, Michelle Obama is likable as the first lady.
She is not likable, you know, being the front person.
And it's going to come out and people won't like her.
So she really risks a lot.
But yeah, the bottom line is it's an implied you're asking somebody to take on something that could kill their political career.
It is an impossible mission.
You're going to tell people, millions of people, you have to deal with me, you know, like, kind of just suck it up, you wasted your vote,
and there will be a lot of resentment there.
And then secondly, that's just the voting aspect.
The other resentment that's gonna come with this is that maybe we don't think so, but it's true.
Kamala Harris has a loyal following.
It's not a majority right now, of course, but she has a loyal following
within the vice president's office, within the California Democratic Party
and that wing of the party, and they will be pissed.
If they go to Kamala, they will do a little bit better with black voters,
but they will do a lot worse with boomers.
The next segment, Rich, and I got a lot of hate mail for it,
and we have wonderful boomers in this audience, so I'm not blaming a whole generation, but.
Because I have to preface with that, because for obvious reasons, Joe Biden appeals them.
I have to talk about this Wall Street Journal piece, because it's a very serious thing, Rich, which shows that Biden's path might be running up the score in nursing homes and senior care facilities.
And so Biden is winning the senior vote.
And so you're a pollster.
You're trusted.
I want you to tell me what you are seeing, because a lot of people are saying it's not true.
It's not.
I see it in the data.
So, Rich, Wall Street Journal article, I covered this in the first hour, Biden's secret weapon against Trump, older voters.
Is that directionally correct, Rich Barris, in the polling that you've seen?
When it comes to Joe Biden, it is the case that he does better with older senior voters than other Democrats and Democrats that have come before him.
And there's a couple of reasons why.
You know, demographics change, Charlie, and the older conservatives from You know, the 2010 and 2014 midterm elections that propelled Republicans, even 16 when Trump won them heavily.
We also had COVID, you know, a lot of people passed and time moves on.
People pass and other generations, which was a liberal generation, the 45 to 64, now become the 65 and above.
But I will say this with a caveat because it is true and I see it in our polling as well.
And that's also why Democrats have been doing better in specials and off-cycle elections than expected, because older voters vote at a higher propensity.
But I will mention this.
In 2020, the New York Times, many other polls, even our polling, we didn't have Trump losing the senior vote.
We did have him slipping, though.
And the New York Times just had Biden winning it outright by, I believe, six or eight points.
In the end, Trump did win it.
So sometimes it is a little bit hard to poll some of these groups, and some of these pollsters have to really be careful when they're talking about 75 and above versus the 65 to 74.
And sample size with that matters, and then you'll get a much more accurate read, but there is no doubt.
that Trump is doing better with younger voters than typical and Biden is doing better with
older voters than typical. I think it's it's conclusive at this point, but it is debatable
on whether or not Biden will actually win them or whether or not they'll be just close.
I think that's a that's a fair argument to have, but the direction is conclusive.
What is what is the reason, though? Why would any baby? And again, our audience is full of
amazing baby boomers. I don't want to generalize the whole generation. But why is, for example,
this is the Wall Street Journal poll, the Iowa poll by the way.
Which the one we talked about the Iowa poll was broken down by demographic and in the Iowa poll even though Trump is winning by 18 He was doing five points worse with baby boomers.
What's going on?
Yep And by the way, I think Seltzer probably nailed that.
That's what we saw.
Our Iowa poll, which was before hers, was Trump plus 15, which people scoffed at, by the way, Charlene Till and Seltzer does it, right?
It definitely showed a slippage with Trump among seniors and doing better among younger voters.
I think when we listen to the interviews and Sometimes you can't see this with the numbers.
You have to just listen as a pollster to what people are telling you.
It makes people that age a little bit uncomfortable to embrace big change.
They're in the golden years of their life, and they kind of just want to squeak by it.
And I know it may sound, because every time I say this, I get the response, Rich, that's selfish.
It may be when you're not thinking about your kids and your grandkids and their future, but also it may not be.
You've been through your life until you're their age.
Maybe you can't really say that for sure.
You don't want to believe the government that you've been living in.
You've got to remember the United States they grew up in.
You don't want to believe that the FBI is just totally corrupt and needs to be dismantled.
You don't want to believe that.
You don't want to believe that these institutions that, honestly, you kind of supported and, you know, went through in your lifetime, this happened.
You don't want to believe how bad it has gotten with them.
Well, you have a certain amount put away.
This is so profound.
Traditionally, Republicans, traditionally, Mitt Romney, John McCain are the keep things the same candidate.
Yes.
And Democrats traditionally were the transformational change candidate.
That is no longer the case.
Joe Biden is now the keep things the same candidate.
Keep the borders open, keep the country impoverished, keep things the same.
And Donald Trump is the transformational candidate.
Joe Biden is status quo.
Donald Trump is change it.
That is a sea change and baby boomers almost always go for the status quo over transformational change.
Yeah.
Yeah, they have a certain amount put away for their golden years.
And inflation bothers them, so that's always an opening for them.
Because, you know, when you change the equation that they planned for their entire lives, and what they have left suddenly is not enough, that's certainly an opportunity Republicans have with them.
But as far as big, transformational change, they really don't want that to disrupt the final years of their life, Charlie.
They don't.
And then, again, There's a flip side to this, which is that, you know, what was it now?
I mean, yeah, four years ago or so, you know, take my kid's school vote for president.
They have these mock votes.
Four years ago, it was very close.
That was a prediction that Trump was going to win.
I remember one of those.
I'm telling you, and now it's so overwhelming, and, you know, I have a son who's a teenage son.
You know, 10, 15 years ago, you know, you would never hear them talk about, like, it's cool to be a Trump Republican, right?
And they mock Joe Biden for being senile, and they think it's a joke.
Like, how could anybody vote for this guy?
It's an embarrassment, and our future is really in peril here.
Okay, Rich, tell us about the straw poll this weekend in Detroit and the results.
Well, first and foremost, this really wasn't close.
We, in our prior straw poll, Charlie, included everybody who at that time was in contention.
But there has been, you know, wide reports about the narrowing down of that list and, you know, what was Productive here was to ask activists and attendees, who of those finalists would they prefer?
J.D.
Vance won it going away.
It wasn't really particularly close.
There still was a large, about one in four, almost, who were undecided.
But, you know, J.D.
Vance took almost half of the vote out of 47%, 48%, right?
Out of that entire first round without leaning anybody.
So I think it was very clear, which tells you the direction that the party's moving in.
You know, it's like the leadership of the party had been coastal, right?
With the exception of Mitch McConnell, the leadership of the party has really been coastal, California, Republican, that kind of brand of Republicanism.
The future of the party and the change, the realignment of the coalition itself has been a Southern Midwest and part of the mountain region of the West and Sunbelt party.
That's what it's been.
And now I think that those views of the people in attendance at your event really represent the direction that this party is going, which is more Midwest, more populist in nature.
And JD Vance exemplifies that.
So I wasn't surprised he won.
I am a little bit surprised he won by that much, be honest.
But it wasn't close at all.
In closing here, Rich, just really quick, what advantages or benefits to the Trump campaign
or candidacy does JD Vance bring to the table?
He's young.
He looks a lot like the new voter who Republicans are getting to register.
They're not necessarily young.
This isn't my, you know, this is their first election, for instance, 18, 19 years old.
There are people that are, you know, 40 that are popping into the electorate saying, This is the first time I'm going to vote, and they look a lot like J.D.
Vance.
They sound a lot like J.D.
Vance.
Attitudinally, J.D.
Vance's textbook, Rust Belt.
And, I mean, he doesn't scare away suburban women.
I'll tell you, my young daughter had saw J.D.
Vance's movie on Netflix, went out and got the book.
Who does that at 12 years old?
I mean, she absolutely loved the story.
The downside, however, is how the situation works in Ohio.
If you pluck J.D.
Vance out of the Senate, Charlie, Then he may not be replaced with another J.D.
Vance.
And I think that's worth bringing up.
It's certainly worth debating.
But he's a young guy and he is MAGA.
I mean, he represents MAGA.
He's almost textbook, the strongest MAGA voter out there.
And what do I mean by that?
The strongest, most loyal MAGA voter out there was maybe not necessarily pro-Trump when Trump came on the scene.
Maybe he didn't like some of the way Trump handled things or acted or she.
But then was converted over the years.
The converted MAGA voter is a strong MAGA voter.
I totally agree.
JD exemplifies that.
I know.
He exemplifies it.
And he's the only veteran in the race.
Perfect example.
The only veteran in the race.
That's true.
Rich, excellent work.
Thank you so much.
Talk to you soon.
All the best, brother.
Thanks for having me.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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