Dennis Prager has a lifetime of wisdom, so what does it mean when he says the conviction of Donald Trump is "scary" for America? Charlie and Dennis dig deep into that, as well as efforts to censor PragerU, his new podcast program, why your choice of clothes matters, and more. Become a member at members.charliekirk.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Welcome Dennis Prager00:02:51
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The Power of Dressing Up00:05:40
Special treat this hour.
Joining us now is Dennis Prager.
Dennis, welcome back to the program.
Great to see you.
Yes, so Dennis, here's a true story.
I was wearing a polo shirt the first two hours, and I said, Dennis is coming on the show, and so now I'm wearing a shirt and tie.
That's you have no idea the joy that that brings me.
Oh, no, no, no, I take that back.
The joy is related to the latter part of your report.
No, I but I did it no because I was in a rush this morning, and I'll be honest, I didn't want to go through the hassle of putting on the shirt and tie.
But, Dennis, can you just, before we have such, we have such deep and heavy things to talk about, talk about the importance of clothing.
It is one of my favorite things that you talk about, and you've had a serious impression on my life.
Really?
All of Western civilization knew this until the 60s.
And it's really become worse in the last 10 years.
I mean, when I go to work, which I do every day, and I'm in the elevator going to my studio here from where I'm broadcasting, so there are other people going to work and going to other floors.
And most of them are young people.
There was a guy just today who was wearing slippers, you know, not sandals, even slippers, what he would wear in his bedroom.
When you dress up, it has an incredible effect on you.
But even if it didn't, the most important is the effect on the society.
And to show how deeply society influences religion more than religion influences society, Charlie, I mean, I know you know this because I'm honored by how much you've listened to my broadcasts and videos and all that stuff.
The number of Christians who would call my show and tell me that God, literally, these are the words: God doesn't care what I wear to church.
I don't know where they got that idea from.
Certainly, their parents would not have agreed, nor their grandparents or great-grandparents going back to the beginning of the existence of formal clothing.
Well, it's also, I mean, just read the book of Leviticus, right, Dennis?
In Leviticus 8, it was all about priestly garments.
Yeah, so clearly, why did God care about what the priests wore?
That's exactly right.
And as both of us point out all the time, people, it's fascinating.
People, if they were invited to the Academy Awards, they would wear the best clothing they have or buy better clothing.
But to meet God at church, oh, it's fine if I'm in jeans and a t-shirt, or even less formal than that.
Or I, you know, I'll just come from the beach here in California.
The decline in society, I mean, when I look at 1940s, 1950s films and pictures of how people dressed at a baseball game, I envy them.
So, Dennis, let's get right into why we originally wanted to have you on the program.
But there's a, I saw the story and I immediately told Andrew, please have Dennis come on the program.
Where, if I understand correctly, the Google Play Store has censored Prager U because of a documentary that you published.
Please help me understand.
Yeah, so we put out a number of documentaries.
The latest is Dear Infidels, and it is about Islamic extremism, one of the worst forces on earth in terms of moral decency.
It is a frighteningly bad movement of the beheading of innocents, the raping of women, the wiping out of whatever infidel group they want to wipe out, beginning with the Jews.
And that's what it is about.
It is not hysterical and it is not about all Muslims and clear, but it is about Islamism, which is not the same as Islam and the radical Muslims who constitute Islamism.
And Google announced out of nowhere, it's hate speech.
So the Prager U app is no longer going to function.
And that means no Android device could use the Prager U app.
It disappeared from the face of the earth.
The outcry was really remarkable.
I'm very grateful to all the media that did engage in an outcry because this is exactly vindicates what you know and I know and so many people know.
Google's interest in truth is zero because it's a left-wing organization.
Yes.
It is definitional to the left to suppress dissent.
There is no example since Vladimir Lenin of the left allowing dissent, whether it is at Columbia University or the Politburo in Moscow or Google today, or your university today.
And so the outcry was quite something.
Calling Out Business Lies00:07:43
And within a day, they said it was a mistake.
That's a lie.
It's a total lie.
And I give a great analogy, Charlie.
Whenever people who cheat in business vindicate what they did, they go, oh, it was a mistake.
So I always have a question for these people.
Did you ever in your life make a financial mistake that hurt you, or do all your financial mistakes hurt the next guy?
That's right.
And by the way, it's not a mistake in any sense.
They're just upset they got caught.
Let's be very clear.
That's right.
And they got caught.
What did they get caught doing?
Because obviously they did it.
Everyone knows they did it.
They announced it.
They got caught as the suppressors of dissent that they are.
That's correct, because it is incompatible for the left to allow freedom of speech.
Dennis, you've been ahead of the curve on Google.
You tried to warn us about Google and you sued Google years ago.
That's right.
Yeah.
Charlie, if I if I take, I don't drink, but I would have to take drink.
But if I ever wanted, I'll give you a list of ahead of the curve things in my life.
How long ago I told people it will end West civilization as we know it.
I have listened to every single fireside chat.
And Dennis, I want to give you a compliment.
And I take this the right way, and I hope Julie does.
I did not expect to like Dennis and Julie, but I think it's terrific.
I really think it's excellent.
And I only didn't expect to like it because I wasn't sure at first about the generational gap, but she challenges you.
It is really, really great.
I'm very touched, Charlie.
It means the world to me that you take my work so seriously because you're so important.
And I'm not, no reason to say that if I don't, you know, I know it.
I know it.
I don't just believe it.
I would say this: I have never co-hosted anything in my 40 years of radio.
It's not my style.
I'm my own man.
I do my thing.
And then I met this woman 50 years younger than me.
And among the other fascinating aspects of Dennis and Julie, aside from my first co-host, side that she's female, I'm male, and 50 years different, is that the age difference disappeared.
And it is such an ode to what it means.
What does age mean?
If you have a wise young person and a vibrant old person, it doesn't mean a damn thing.
But it's a living example of that.
But that's not even why we do it.
Just happens to be that we have this remarkable age difference.
We do it because I have found in her, Charlie, someone that I never thought I would find who so resonates to my values and so incorporates them so readily into her fine mind and fine heart.
You have no idea the peace that she has afforded me.
So you have every reason to be suspicious about whether you would like it.
And I hope everybody watching or listening to us right now will go to Dennis and Julie, the podcast.
It's on all the podcast networks.
It's excellent, Dennis.
And I'll call you off air and tell you all the fee.
I don't want to spend all of our time on it, but she challenges you.
It's not just agreement.
That's what I think is excellent.
It's an uninterrupted dialogue.
And it really is interesting.
It's a different dimension that I don't get.
Again, I've listened to, I'd say, five to 600 hours of your stuff.
And that's not an exaggeration.
No, I mean, I mean that.
And it's a different dimension.
It's almost the Socratic method at work.
What we do is we explore life.
But I want to just resonate one second with regard to your last point.
I'm very, very open on my radio show and in my speeches.
That's just my nature.
As one caller put it, Dennis, you're transparent.
And yet, there is no doubt there's an aspect of me that comes out in Dennis and Julie that doesn't come out when I'm alone.
That is exactly right.
That is well said.
Why do you think that is, Dennis?
Well, it's not easily answered.
Maybe because for all of us, another human being brings out parts of us that would not otherwise come out.
And that's, you know, wives and husbands do that.
Good friends do that.
And that's the best answer I could give.
You're forced, it sort of forces you to express parts of you that just don't naturally come out if you're talking alone, which is what you do and what I do when we give speeches or when we broadcast our shows.
It's just us.
And you're open and I'm open and you're real and I'm real.
And yet I have discovered that she brings out parts of me because it's like she's representing all the listeners in posing the next question or making the next point.
It's a phenomenon, this Dennis and Julie thing.
I can't tell you how grateful I am for your mention.
And I thoroughly enjoy it.
Dennis.
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The Trump Trial Showdown00:02:54
You used a word that I rarely have ever heard you say, ever, when describing the Trump conviction.
You said this is scary.
I don't think I've ever, you don't get scared easily.
You were not scared with COVID, not scared against climate change.
You're not scared about the world ending from nuclear war, but you said this is scary.
Dennis, what do you mean by that?
Well, it goes back to my lifelong immersion in studying the left.
I did graduate work, I'm embarrassed to say, at Columbia University.
I was at the Russian Institute studying communism under Zbiga Brzezinski, Mika Brzezinski's father, and he was the national security man for Jimmy Carter.
And he had lived under communism in Poland.
Anyway, it's a lifelong immersion.
That's why I studied Russian to read the Soviet communist newspaper Pravda.
And so I knew about all the show trials that Stalin had created, where you put your political opponents on trial in order to destroy them.
But you have the show as if it was a legit trial.
You have judges, you have attorneys, you have all the trappings of justice, but it's not.
And that's what you had here when the New York Times, which is in many ways our problem, when you have the New York Times write a jury of his peers and defend the verdict, and I think about jury of the peers.
Let's say you were a white and you were accused of killing a black in Jim Crow South in the 1920s, and you had an all-white jury.
What were the odds of your being found guilty?
Zero.
What were the odds of Donald Trump being found not guilty?
Zero.
The lie, again, part of the show, as in show trial, that he was convicted on 34 counts.
It was 34 repetitions of the exact same act of paying his lawyer.
That's all it was.
As I said on my show, had he paid him a dollar a day for 365 days, he would have been found guilty on 365 counts.
But nobody knows that because they either read the New York Times or listen to NPR.
So they're participating in the show trial, in the reporting that they listen to.
Fear From Mainstream Media00:09:08
So it's scary because we never, the thought never dawned on me.
We would arrest and try a leader of the opposition, a former president.
I wasn't even for the impeachment of Bill, and he lied under oath while president of the United States.
But I knew, you know, there are larger issues involved in these cases, like the health of your republic, of your free country.
But they want to tear down this free country because they're left.
So it, yes, it is scary.
And you're right.
I very rarely get scared.
I didn't take the vaccine and I didn't wear masks and I didn't block down in any shape, way, shape, or form.
And that's just one example.
I don't get scared easily.
This is a reason to be scared.
What are you most afraid of in this regard?
That we are, we are, well, what was it, Bork's book, Slouching Toward Sodom, Sodom and Gomorrah, however, he titled it.
We're slouching toward a leftist dictatorship.
The censoring, which we talked about earlier, the constant censoring, the communist youth groups that are out there, which also remind me of the Hitler youth.
I'm sorry to say it.
I hate saying it.
By the way, you're exactly right.
I hate it because it feels like it's cheap, but it's exactly right.
Yes.
Well, it is exactly right.
That too is scary.
The thing that's scary is not that we have X number of young people who are despicable who support pure evil and can't recognize good and evil.
That's bad enough.
It's the institutions.
That's what's scared.
The question that I have posed to my listeners since the takeovers of campuses have, what is it?
The camp?
What is the term?
The encampment?
The encampments?
Yeah.
I have one question.
Let us say right-wing students who are pro-life had a pro-life encampment and took over the campus.
What would the reaction of every college president?
Would they allow it for months?
No, not only that, they would be drummed up on federal charges similar to the January 6th folks.
That's right.
So it's worth noting.
Anything, look, my last, you sent me a text.
I was very done.
So a week ago, my column, my column comes out every Tuesday.
It was with regard to the latest thing that the left has destroyed.
And I listed 25 major institutions of society that the left has destroyed.
And this is an obvious example of one of them: what has happened to free speech and what has happened specifically to the university.
And what is really here's an interesting sidebar, Charlie.
I've asked, Julie went to Harvard, because you mentioned Dennis and Julie.
So Julie went to Harvard, graduated two years ago.
And I've asked her, I said, I'm just curious, does the cachet Harvard still resonate like it has for all of my lifetime and the lifetime of my parents?
And she said, no.
And she said, I worked so hard to get it to Harvard.
And now saying I went to Harvard means nothing to most Americans.
Nothing.
It actually means negative.
For me.
That's correct.
Yeah, you should amplify that point because I totally agree with you.
If you graduated from Harvard, my only question is: are you a fool or not a fool?
And chances are you're a fool.
So, Dennis, this goes to a theme that I want to hit with you, and it's going to require a little bit of reflection, which is I've noticed a pattern with your commentary and your writing in the last couple of years where it is lamenting the takeover of the institutions and how the left has taken over everything.
Now, that's not necessarily new, but Dennis, when now I look at experts say, I immediately think that they're lying to us.
And I know you agree, but Dennis, is that a new thing?
Because would you have 10 years ago, would you have said that you are distrustful of the CDC, the American Medical Association, the American Association of Pediatrics, the FDA?
I, the FBI, our system of justice as well.
Dennis, is that a new opinion that you formed in recent years?
That's right.
It's new and it's painful.
In this regard, the COVID lockdown experience.
See, there's nothing about teachers' unions that surprises me.
They are vile organizations.
They're despicable.
They hurt children and they hurt society.
There is nothing good about teachers' unions, only bad.
So that's not a shock.
But you went through the list, NIH, CDC, and FBI.
I mean, I grew up, you know, the FBI.
If you said you were an FBI agent, it was like telling me you were Mickey Man.
Those of your young listeners who don't know is a legendary baseball player.
And so to watch everything that one venerated turn into bad, it's an interesting thing.
Here's a good example of a Dennis and Julie topic.
So I've asked Julie, who do you think it's worse for?
Me or you?
You not having experienced the beautiful and free and vibrant and happy America that I did, or me who did experience it and watching it being taken down?
It's far worse for you, and it's not even close.
Well, yeah, because I could ask you that too.
I mean, you're not that much older than Julie.
So it isn't.
You were on the cusp.
You have consciousness of America.
I'm on that weird bridge, Dennis, being 30.
I remember an America that was free and somewhat sane.
So being 30, when I was seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12 years old, this was a great country, a great country 18 years ago.
It was.
Do you know I grew up in New York, and I remember I was 25 years old when I was brought to speak in California.
I've been speaking publicly since I was 21.
A very, as you know, strange and wonderful life.
So I remember the first time, I remember it like yesterday.
I was at Kennedy Airport and I'm at the American Airlines terminal and I see Los Angeles flight, I don't know, whatever it was.
I'm telling you, the excitement of going to California for the first time, it was so, it was like almost maybe, you know, my wedding day was as exciting or the birth of my children.
I'm not, and I never exaggerate, as you know, or I try never to exaggerate, certainly.
That's how excited I was to be going to California.
And now California is for half of the United States, a despicable state.
I mean, they passed the minimum wage and tens of thousands of workers have no more jobs.
They immediately fired 1,200 pizza delivery men because they couldn't afford the new wages.
It's a sanctuary state.
If you run away from your parents because they don't believe you became the other sex, you can be kept in California.
What the left has done to this, a place that was synonymous with freedom and joy is now somber, joyless, and totalitarian in so many ways.
So it's, I don't know.
Again, you're convinced it's worse for me.
And I don't know.
Totalitarian California Shifts00:02:47
I'm a big believer in memory and gratitude.
Remembering America as this such sweet place, basically.
Of course, there are bad people in America.
I mean, you know, my view on human nature, the biblical view, will of man's heart is towards evil from his youth.
That's Genesis 8.
Just tell the Pope that.
I did.
I don't know if he heard me, but I did as soon as I heard him say it.
By the way, that is a giveaway.
If you walk around saying people are basically good, you're a fool.
I know you're not wise.
You may be sweet and kind and a wonderful parent and friend, but you're not wise.
You can't build wisdom on nonsense.
That's exactly right.
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Baby Boomer Values Gap00:11:39
So, Dennis, I want to just emphasize the institutional takeover, which this Trump conviction has now, it's another institution that I'm afraid I inherently distrust.
I want to say it's completely captured because there's still some terrific judges and lawyers.
But Dennis, the country of 20 years ago would not have put up with this.
It would not have put up with this.
Is it a Trump-specific phenomenon, Dennis?
That's what I want to get your opinion on.
Is this a Trump derangement syndrome thing, or is this a canary in the coal mine of a cancer taking over the American legal system?
It is both.
It is both.
And by the way, for his four years in office, I did not once, every show I've done is report.
I did not once utilize the term Trump derangement syndrome.
I thought it was a bit over top.
I agree.
I never liked it.
I thought it was silly, but it's unbelievably accurate.
But it is unbelievably accurate.
Sober-minded people have lost their minds.
What else can one say?
I mean, when people tell me, what was the name of the Planet Hollywood?
What was the name of his?
Billy Bush, the Billy Bush Access Hollywood tape.
Access Hollywood, yeah.
So that's an example of derangement syndrome, whether it's Trump or anybody else.
You're going to judge human beings by what they say when they're speaking to one other human being in private?
Isn't letting off steam one of the reasons for friendship and marriage?
As I have often noted when I'm driving, because I have a deep hostility to people who drive slowly in the left lane.
Oh, no, no, no, no, in the express lane.
That's where you don't understand.
Yes, express lane, you know, a high occupancy vehicle, whatever term you want to use.
But the left lane is for passing, okay?
Hello, everybody.
That's the point of it.
Not to go at the speed limit or let alone under.
So my only point is, with my wife present, whatever group you are with, I curse you and your group at.
If you're old, I curse old people.
If you're white, I curse white people.
If you're black, I curse black people.
If you're a nun, I curse nuns.
It's hilarious.
Now, if you recorded that and then played it for the country, I would sound obviously like a crackpot bigot.
But all I'm doing is letting off steam with my wife, which is what companions are for.
You're going to judge men on sex talk that they have had with other men, not ever believing any other human being heard it?
And I say this as a religious person, as you know, how deeply religious I am.
This is not the way it works.
What you say in private is not the way to judge a human being.
I'm sorry.
There may be religious people who differ with me.
Indeed, there are secular people who differ with me.
It's what you say in public.
Yes, it's your publicly stated beliefs and your actions, those two things.
And look, they said Nixon was anti-Semitic because of private talks that he had, but he's real president.
I mean, other than that, and he appointed the first Jewish secretary of state.
So what do I care if Nixon personally said anti-Jewish things privately?
I'm a committed Jew.
I've said anti-Jewish things privately.
That requires maturity and wisdom of which the West significantly lacks.
All right, Dennis, I'm going to just change topics here briefly.
There's two more big things I want to cover with you.
The first of which, I did a whole show on baby boomers, and I received so much hate mail.
Dennis, what do you think of the baby boomer generation?
I'm a member of it.
We are, my generation Is the mother of all of the horrible stuff that you're seeing?
The 60s generation is the baby boomer generation.
But here is, I don't know why you got flack for it, but I said that.
I said, baby boomers have not done a good job of passing down American values because their parents didn't do a good job of passing down American values to them because they wanted their kids to have a nice and comfortable life.
And baby boomers have had, they lived through a Pax Americana time and their children have not.
And there's a fair amount of anger when you even remotely try to blame baby boomers as a generation for not doing a great job.
I know you know, I have said this so often.
The people who began the bad child rearing were the parents who constituted what is called the greatest generation, the World War II and Depression generation.
That was my parents' generation, not my parents.
They raised me with terrific values.
But that generation did exactly what you described.
And that is their whole thing was: I don't want my children, I will give my children, this was their motto, I will give my children, that is the baby boomers, everything I didn't have.
And I mentioned earlier, I began lecturing at the age of 21.
By the age of 25, I was telling audiences that, and that was the generation of my parents mostly in the audience.
And I was saying to them, Yeah, you gave us everything you didn't have.
The big problem is you didn't give us everything you did have, namely love of country and good religious bases.
And so we are paying the price today.
The decline in our civilization is frightening.
Dennis, I completely agree.
And it is a little tough sometimes to say that, but it's necessary.
The next topic I want to talk to you, Dennis, is a recent poll.
This recent poll shows that despite all the events that a majority, 61% of American Jews are still planning to vote for Joe Biden and be on the left.
Why is that?
Well, a big chunk of the answer, and I just want your listeners and viewers to understand: I am not only a Jew, I am a committed Jew.
I have co-written the most widely read in English introduction to Judaism.
I am on volume five of my five-volume commentary on the Torah, the first five-book Bible, old brat Bible.
And I founded a synagogue.
I have founded a Jewish day school.
So I'm a Jewish Jew.
As opposed to, by the way, this is not my term, George Soros, who is a non-Jewish, which leads me to the point I want to make.
Jews who believe in Judaism, who believe in the Torah, they're not voting for Biden.
This is not an opinion.
Orthodox Jews are not voting for Biden.
Orthodox Jews vote the way most evangelicals vote because they share almost every value.
They don't share theology.
That's beside the point, or at least for me, but they share value.
There's another thing that people need to understand that I point out.
When a Christian leaves Christianity, he's still called a Christian.
He's still, he's never, excuse me, he's never called a Christian.
When a Jew leaves Judaism, he's still called a Jew.
That's right.
That's a very important thing.
When people say, how come Jews are on the left?
Might as well say, why are so many Christians on the left?
Oh, but they're not Christian.
Oh, so you get to say they're not Christian, but I don't get to say you don't get to dismiss them from the tribe, for lack of a better term.
That's exactly right.
One final explanation.
Jews were raised as fast every liberal was raised, Jew or non-Jew, with the belief that the great threat to Jews and to civilization comes from the right because they were told Hitler is on the right.
And they have never left that brainwash that the right is the villain when the left was the mass destruction, genocidal, torturing, enslaving ideology of the 20th century with the one exception of the Nazi.
I mean, it's the left's the greatest single and one of the only successes of the left because they never succeed in building a society.
But one of their greatest successes is brainwashing vast numbers of people into believing that the threat to liberty and goodness comes from the right.
Is it possible to change that, Dennis?
If a population calls themselves Jewish, but they're not religious, then what you're saying, it's not even a fair poll.
It's not even, you can't even possibly move those numbers because they're leftist first and Jewish second.
Is that what you're saying?
100%.
That's right.
By the way, many of them would acknowledge that.
You know, the liberal Jew is ambivalent, but the left-wing Jew would certainly say, I'm leftist before.
If you ask Soros, you get your values from Judaism or from leftism, he'd laugh in your face.
He has as much to do with Judaism as my dog, as Calvin.
See?
And he would agree.
It's not even an insult.
That's right.
Dennis, final question.
When does Numbers come out?
Numbers is coming out before Christmas.
That's the fourth book of my book.
Yes, it is amazing.
Only Leviticus is left.
So, Dennis, I have to interrupt.
I want to do a long form interview with you when Numbers comes out.
A couple hours, because you know I know your stuff on this.
It is life-changing.
Good.
That you said that is the best possible ad.
I beg people to read it.
Nobody writes a Bible commentary, get rich.
I write it to touch lives.
It's called the Rational Bible.
Thank you.
You're a joy, my friend.
Thank you, Dennis.
God bless you.
I should have said, when is In the Wilderness coming out?
That's what I should have asked.
God, you know your stuff.
Dennis, God bless you.
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