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June 4, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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America Becomes the Third World, While The Third World Beats Us
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El Salvador's Conservative Turn 00:13:53
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What is El Salvador doing right?
Quite a lot.
Who should be Trump's vice president?
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Joining us now is a great American patriot, one of the few in Washington, D.C., in the kingdom of Washington, D.C.
It's Matt Gaetz, Congressman Matt Gates, who's a terrific American.
Matt, I want to get your thoughts here on the vice presidential selection.
We got Bergham, Marco, Vance, Tim Scott, that is in the final four based on all public and private conversations.
Matt Gates, what are you thinking about for the vice presidential selection?
I'll start by suggesting that I don't think it's just down to that four.
I actually think there's some wildcard picks that are still out there and reverberating in the mind of President Trump.
President Trump's going to make this pick, but let me argue on behalf of the senators on that list.
And, you know, I know Senator Vance and Senator Rubio, the best of that group, and they would be at the top of my list.
But when we get into the White House and get control of the Senate, having a vice president who understands the procedure and rules of the Senate, who is able to preside over the Senate and seize the Senate calendar is going to be critical to getting President Trump's appointees actually confirmed and in office and doing work.
Like, remember, we have four years to do this, okay?
We don't have a forever schedule to get everybody confirmed.
And so we will need a vice president who can preside over the Senate, who can set the Senate calendar.
And look, there are going to be some of these three-letter agencies, Charlie, where we might need to make recess appointments.
And so having a vice president who's playing ball, who's got that in their hand, it is going to be the difference between getting people at DOJ, FBI, CIA, NSA that will execute our mission versus those who will work to undermine President Trump, as we've seen in the past.
It's like the 100 first senator, right?
Is basically what the VP is.
Technically, I mean, constitutionally, they are one of the only offices.
What did Dick Cheney call it?
The unitary executive theory, where you both have, you have, you preside over legislative and executive.
It's one of the only hybrid roles the founding fathers put into our constitution.
So JD Vance, what do you think of him?
He's definitely my favorite.
I have spent a lot of time with J.D. when he was in his primary against Josh Mandel.
We did a tour across all of Ohio together.
And what I really came to admire is that JD is a great listener and he would take feedback that he received from a crowd in the morning and he was weaving it into his ideas and his presentation later that afternoon and into the evening.
He is also a brilliant man.
And people say that about politicians all the time, but the reality is we probably have a lower average IQ than a person walking down Main Street.
And J.D. is legitimately a genius and someone who I think President Trump sinks with because they're both so intellectually engaged in everything that's going on.
And let's not forget the most important thing.
You have to have a vice president who could be president.
In the event that that would have to be the constitutional role that they would fulfill, JD Vance could serve as president of the United States and thus would be a fully qualified pick for vice president.
But as great a guy as I'm sure Doug Bergham is, and I bet there'll probably be a spot in the cabinet for him somewhere.
I worry about someone like Doug Bergham being thrown into the lion's den that is the United States Senate, not knowing the procedures like the back of his hand, not able to really guide that institution to the execution of President Trump's agenda and the approval of his nominees.
I think that's great.
And I totally agree that having the Senate wrinkle is so incredibly important.
You also recently went down to El Salvador with Bukele.
Tell us about it.
Yeah, it was great to leave like the third world mess that the United States is descending into and go to a place like El Salvador where they're actually changing the country with conservative populist ideas that put order and security first.
President Bukele has been able to drag that country out of a mire pile.
And now they are the safest country in the Western hemisphere.
They've reduced the murder rate by 97%.
18% of the GDP in El Salvador right now is construction.
So that country is going to be like the Singapore of the Western Hemisphere through this type of populist, conservative, and I just think sensible policy.
And there was a moment when I was with President Bukele, Charlie, recently, where one of the Democrats on the delegation trip said to him, well, you know, Mr. President, you've achieved security now.
So you need to really move past that.
You need to stop going after the gangbangers and the bandits.
And you need to really worry about other things.
And I'll never forget what President Bukele said.
He looked at that Democrat and said, he who spares the wolf forsakes the sheep.
Bukele is going after the thugs and criminals.
He has thrown 70,000 people in prison in El Salvador so that the other 6 million people could be free and prosperous and ascendant.
And I'm not an isolationist.
You and I talk about foreign policy a lot.
I just think we should care about our neighborhood more.
I think that what happens in El Salvador and in Mexico and in Latin America impacts quality of life for Americans far more than which dude in a sweatsuit gets to run crisis.
It's so interesting because he won a couple years ago and was super chill for like the first year.
He didn't do anything that dramatic.
And then he very quietly started to make the connections in the police force.
And then like overnight, he just flipped a switch and just started raiding entire parts of the country.
And that's such an interesting thing.
He didn't just like take office and do this.
He understood what he was in office because look, almost everybody in El Salvador was bought by the cartels or cartel-affiliated gang members.
Everybody.
So there's a young guy, whatever.
He's this.
And then he just is like, yeah, we're not going to put up with it.
We're going to go arrest math swaths of people.
El Salvador is now the safest city, a safest country in Central America, one of the safest now on the planet.
So why is it that American streets are more dangerous than ever, but we look to the third world for safety and for prosperity?
Sometimes our toughest challenges have the simplest solutions.
If your communities are being overrun by gangs, you just arrest the gang members and lock them up.
But instead, in the United States, we have this perverse theory of having a struggle session with the people who are repeat violent criminals who are making life impossible in a lot of the blue jurisdictions in the United States of America.
And what people in New York and in LA and in Chicago are learning is that if you don't have security, there is no prosperity.
If you can't let your loved ones walk down the street and engage in commerce and enjoy life, you already are a prisoner.
You're already living the pod life.
You're a prisoner in your own home, in your own community.
And, you know, we believe in the human existence.
We want humans to thrive.
And so to do that, it's the baseline meeting of people's needs of just being able to live your life that I think is so important.
And I also heard from President Bukele sharp criticisms of the U.S. State Department because you know what, when the Russians and when the Chinese are messing around in Latin America, they're worried about their interests.
Where can they mine materials?
Where can they get lumber?
You know what we do?
We go down there and criticize Bukele or the president of Paraguay because like they don't have the right LGBTQ policy or gender policy.
I went into a karaoke nightclub just to get like a little sense of El Salvador.
And everywhere in the place, it was happy Father's Day.
And I asked the proprietor, I said, do you celebrate Father's Day on a different day in El Salvador?
And he said, oh, no, we celebrate fathers the entire month of June.
And I had to say, well, in the United States, we do something a little different in June.
Did you see any gay flags in El Salvador?
I did not.
I just saw like celebration of family on Sunday.
People were in the streets with their flowers.
They were lighting candles to their saints in worship and in reverence.
And then I look at what we're doing in June and I'm having to like deal with whether or not the Air Force base in my district is going to have some sort of drag queen story hour or some other odd circumstance.
El Salvador, which, you know, we always make fun of the third world.
They have safe streets, no gay groomers twerking in kids' faces, and they pray on Sunday.
That sounds like a great country.
It really is, Charlie.
It really is.
We need to get President Bukele to one of our great turning points so that he can inspire young people that there is a better way.
Like oftentimes when you and I have these interviews, we browbeat each other, we browbeat our own party, and we sit here and think, how do we get out of this?
And to come from a place like El Salvador, where just five years ago, no person would even consider walking the streets to now seeing a place that is flourishing.
It actually gives me hope that the American people, we have the right values.
We have the right culture.
We have the right direction.
It's just that our leaders are so captured by the corruption that we allow our life to be diminished.
And it does not have to be that way.
Matt Gates, thank you so much.
Excellent work.
Really appreciate it.
And we'll have you on soon.
And maybe we should be more like El Salvador.
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Huh?
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Thanks so much, Matt Gates.
By the way, I was talking to a young lady the other day on a podcast I did with George Janko.
He does it with his fiancé.
She says, Yeah, you know, when I live in LA, my mom and I know you do not leave the home after 9 p.m.
We're prisoners in our own home.
Do we live in a free country still?
El Salvador has stuff we don't have.
No gay pride parades.
People go to church, safe streets.
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There seems to be the rumblings of populist revolt all across the Western world.
And, you know, we talk about El Salvador.
This is a very important thing.
We might be the wealthiest country on earth, but if you can't leave your home at night in LA, Portland, Seattle, Seattle, San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Philadelphia, D.C., Atlanta, are we really the greatest country still in the world?
We can get back to that.
You see, Bukele understood this in El Salvador.
And it's so amazing.
There's this article where the State Department was saying that El Salvador is a threat to democracy.
When they say that, it means that you might run a country in a certain way where crime goes down and family formation goes up.
If you can't take your kid to a little league game, if you can't get a hospital room or talk in your native language to get simple services, are you still a free country?
This is exactly what's on the ballot here in the entire Western world.
And the trend is positive.
Geert Wilders forms a government in the Netherlands.
No one ever would have thought that was possible.
Way more unlikely than any Donald Trump political prospects.
Millet wins down in Argentina.
Bukele in El Salvador.
You got Georgia Maroney in Italy, but she's awful.
That was a good election, but she's been absolutely terrible.
Hungary with Victor Orban.
You have in the United Kingdom, on the surface, it looks like, oh, this is not good.
By the way, just so we're clear, what is coming next is the United Kingdom, Britain, they're about to become a full communist country.
You want a provocative thought crime for you?
Who actually won the Cold War?
Yes, the wall fell.
Free societies reign.
Where the UK is about to go, the left turn they're going to take a month from today on July 4th is.
Legitimately more Marxist and more communist than parts of the Eastern Bloc were before the wall fell.
Parts, not all, parts.
In the UK, the left is likely to win because conservatives are such a failure, nobody wants to back them.
Who will miss the conservatives?
Not us.
They had almost 15 years of uninterrupted conservative government.
Do they have free speech?
No.
Do they have a right to bear arms?
No.
Do they have robust private property rights?
No.
Do they have a secure border?
No.
Do they have sane immigration policy?
No.
And so labor, which just so we're clear, conservatives in the United Kingdom is like Hillary Clinton Democrats.
Labor is like Bernie Sanders socialists.
So there is no opposition party.
Nigel Farage is now running under the Reform Party and drawing massive crowds, massive crowds.
The trend in the Western world is a rejection of the status quo.
Why is that?
It's because cheap money, hyperinflation, and mass migration are the ingredients in the recipe to create a populist revolt.
Add cheap money, add mass migration where your dollar is worth less and you can afford nothing and you own nothing and you are ticked off and you see your country collapse and fall apart as foreigners overrun the nation state.
The Debt Trap Narrative 00:11:51
You see, this is happening in the streets of New York and the streets of London.
This is happening all across the Western world and people are hungry for a response.
Some celebrities are starting to say out loud that Joe Biden is going to lose.
Now, you better not celebrate anything.
We got to get to work.
Because by the way, not every poll has been good post-conviction.
Some polls show that the race is tightening.
This is going to come down to a couple thousand votes.
And if it doesn't, praise God.
But I believe it's going to come down to a couple thousand votes, a couple thousand votes.
And if we lose, it's on us because we didn't work hard enough.
Period.
End of story.
Play cut 53.
Can't say it enough.
I said it many times.
I would vote for his head in a jar of blue liquid over Donald Trump.
But that doesn't mean that I'm not.
First of all, I don't think it's a moot point at this point.
He's going to f ⁇ ing lose.
Who Biden?
Yes.
No, you're wrong.
No.
I'm going to bet you.
Oh, great.
We'll see.
It's going to come down to who wants to do the work.
You can win the popularity polls, but lose the election.
You can win the narrative, but lose the election.
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Joining us now is Todd Bensman, who is the author of Overrun, How Joe Biden Unleashed the Greatest Border Crisis in U.S. History.
Todd, welcome back to the program.
Todd, I asked our team specifically to get you on the program because I have a lot of questions here.
Here's the way I look at what's happening.
So Joe Biden, any moment now, we might cut to it live or we might have picture in picture guys.
I don't know who need to cut to it live.
We have Todd Bensman who can make sense of it.
Joe Biden is going to sign a bunch of executive orders.
I want you to tell me what they are.
But first, here's my analysis is that Joe Biden is making a calculation or his team is.
His reelection campaign is making a calculation.
What is the optimum number of illegals to help my party win long term without freaking out the public too much to get reelected?
That seems to be what is going on.
Todd, what is he signing today?
Right.
So this is mainly an executive order that will, in his view, or at least in his narrative, reduce the number of illegal immigrants crossing the border and give him the powers and authorities to what he says close the border.
But the problem is that he already has the authorities to close the borders.
He already has the executive orders to do it.
What this is, in my opinion, is a way to draw attention again to the narrative that the Senate and the Republicans and Trump and MAGA will not fix the border, will not give him the legislation that he supposedly needs to fix the border.
They've gotten a ton of traction on that narrative.
It's a false narrative, but it has gotten a tremendous amount of traction.
So what will happen is there will be immediate lawsuits.
He knows it.
All of his people on his side have already promised they're going to sue on this.
There's nothing really to sue about, but they're going to do it.
And he'll be able to say, well, if only I had that piece of legislation, I would be able to shut the border down.
And I believe that this is all kind of a ploy to be able to keep pointing to that piece of legislation that has now been killed twice, rightfully so.
I know this is complicated, but I believe that's what it is.
Now, if the president and his campaign actually want to use this to shut the border down, they won't be able to because there are clauses in it that allow border patrol on the ground to let them in and not deport them.
If they just say the magic words of, I am afraid to go back to Mexico, they're in anyway.
So they'll always have this discretion to, you know, not close the border.
It makes it look like they're closing the border, but God, are you afraid to go back to Mexico, immigrant number one?
Yes, I am.
You're in.
So all of this is just, I think, performative and not really going to actually close the border.
What they have is Remain in Mexico.
That policy survived all the legal challenges.
It is right there like a bullet in the chamber.
All they got to do is pull on that and remain in Mexico would actually significantly slow the border, but they don't really want to do that in this case.
Let me just ask, I want to make sure how many people currently daily are crossing into the into the country through asylum or gotaways daily.
I mean, it ranges, but the ones that are coming through illegally right now is about maybe 4,000 a day in the last couple of weeks, ranging up to 7,000 a day.
That's still off from its November, December highs of 12, 13, and 14,000 a day.
What I call the media interest level, you know, MIL.
If it's if it's anywhere above 7,000 or 8,000 a day, the media gets interested.
But if it's below that number, then the media goes away.
So they want to get that down below the media interest levels.
They have succeeded already in doing that by going to the Obrador administration in Mexico and cutting a secretive deal with the Mexican government to deploy 35,000 troops to round up all the immigrants across from Texas and ship them back down to the Guatemalan border.
They've been doing that now constantly for four months since Christmas.
And that is what reduced the numbers to below the media interest level.
So they're already good.
The media is kind of, the mainstream media has kind of gone away a little bit on that.
And so that's why I think that this whole thing is a bit of a ploy.
It looks like it's an election ploy to be able to, again, point to, God, if they just gave us the legislation that I really need, but they won't.
The Republicans keep turning us down and it's MAGA's fault.
It's Trump's fault.
They want to have a festering order crisis so that they can campaign on it.
That's the narrative.
So where did the Biden administration get the money to basically bribe these countries to slow down the invasion?
Because the numbers, what pocket of money in our $6 trillion budget are they accessing for this?
Was this underwritten by Congress as a slush fund so Joe Biden could go pay off the Mexican government?
That is the key question.
Nobody knows.
Well, but hold on.
I interrupt, but like, it would be really great if our members of Congress, instead of, and I'm not blaming, you're doing amazing.
I'm just really ticked at them.
Why are they not like, hey, we underwrite this thing because we're talking about 20 to 30 billion dollars, but it's very honest.
It's very clear what's going on.
Mexican government has been extorting us.
They say, hey, you pay us cash or the equivalent of we can bring the number down so you can get another four years, Joe Biden.
Well, what we know is that the president of Mexico has demanded $20 billion.
We don't know when he's going to get it.
He's leaving office.
His party, though, the one that he created, is still very much in power and they've expanded their electoral authority beyond just Mexico City to all the gubernatorial races.
And, you know, they really, that party runs the show down there.
I believe that at some point they will get a payoff.
I don't know if they've been paid off yet.
Nobody knows if they've been paid off yet, but they're going to get something and they have all the leverage.
The Mexicans are in the pilot seat until November.
So this is something that our lawmakers ought to be demanding to know what's going on.
How did you get them to deploy all those troops to blockade the rail yards down there to put them on expensive air flights for the 1,500-mile flight back down to Tapachula and via Hermosa?
Like, where'd you get all that cash?
This is not cheap.
So we really don't know, but we do know that the Mexican president said, if you don't give me the money, He said it on 60 minutes, man.
If you don't give me the money, you're going to see the immigrants flow again.
Right now, they've got them limited.
I'm not sure if you get that.
That's exactly right.
You're going, he's like, we're going to turn on the spigot if you don't pay me.
Why do we put up with this?
Because it's Biden.
Can you imagine if Donald Trump was in office and he got that?
It'd be like, yeah, your trade is over.
All your auto parts, they're shut down.
All your food products are going to rot in the trucks for that.
He would do that in a nanosecond.
But this administration is all more about carrots than sticks.
So, you know, remember, Trump, when he was in office, said, you know, do our bidding on all of my policies or we'll have 28% progressive trade tariffs on all your exports to the U.S.
Yes.
So I want to be clear.
These announcements of what he is putting forward today is performative, and I'm going to tell you why.
This is 74.
This is CNN.
In 2020, it's amazing.
Out of all the issues that Trump was struggling on in 2020, masks, masks, COVID, according to polling, CNN polling, Trump was actually behind Biden by a point on who handles immigration better.
Now Trump beats Biden by 27 points on the same question, play cut 74.
So this is a better job on border security and immigration, which tends to be one of former President Trump's best questions.
But I think the key thing here, Kate, to look at is the timeline and look at the trend line here.
Because back in June of 2020, Biden was actually trusted more on the question of border security and immigration by a single point.
Look at where we are in May of 2024.
Trump's Massive Poll Shift 00:02:39
My goodness gracious.
Look at this huge jump that Donald Trump has gotten.
He is now ahead on this issue by 27 percentage points.
So it's not just that immigration is more at the top of voters' minds than it was four years ago.
It's that who they trust on the issue has changed tremendously.
I look at a lot of questions.
I dig into the crosstabs a lot.
The fact that you see a 30-point shift, I'm used to seeing 10, 15, maybe 20-point shift, but basically a 30-point shift, 28 points, if you want to be exact.
That is very, very different from a lot of other polling questions.
Your reaction, Todd Benson.
Right.
Well, for two years, they denied there was anything happening at the border.
It was just north.
Border's under control.
My orchest told us over and over again.
But the pipe backed up and it burst all over everybody in the northern cities, Chicago, Denver, Boston, Washington, D.C., New York City.
And so people can see it and feel it in their communities.
It's all around them.
You can't avoid millions and millions of people that are all there with their hands out, busting your budget, driving your city into bankruptcy and diverting to your pockets all of the funding that black communities and Latino communities have been asking for for 50 years, investment in their communities.
And people are pissed.
People are really pissed at the grassroots around the country over this, and they can't deny it.
Yeah, and no matter what Biden does, I think that this is, I think this is largely baked.
Things move at a glacial pace in presidential politics.
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Let's play Cut 76.
Extortion in the Darien Gap 00:04:06
With the ear of the White House, President Lopez Oberdor proposed his fix: that the United States commit $20 billion a year to poor countries in Latin America and the Caribbean, lift sanctions on Venezuela, end the Cuban embargo, and legalize millions of law-abiding Mexicans living in the U.S. If they don't do the things that you've said need to be done, then what?
Bah.
The flow of migrants.
We'll continue.
I mean, this is unbelievable.
I mean, Todd Bensman, how is that not a declaration of war against America?
That should be met with threatens, threats of tariffs and drone strikes.
Right.
I mean, that's about the most blatant.
I almost can't even believe he went on 60 minutes and said that.
But in case anybody was wondering if he didn't really mean it, if you kept playing it, the interviewer goes on and says, that sounds like blackmail, diplomatic blackmail.
Is that what you mean?
And he was like, I mean what I say.
So that happened.
He is in the pilot seat right now.
Like I said, something is going to, a value is going to change hands.
That was a bribery demand.
And he can actually follow through.
I mean, if he just cut loose and let things go back to 12 and 14,000 a day, which he could do with a snap of his fingers, then Trump wins.
Yeah.
And so this is, you want to talk about foreign interference in our election?
I mean, the Mexican government is far more involved in our elections than Russia ever was.
Right.
And then, you know, there's more to it because further south in Panama, something to watch.
I wrote a lengthy analysis of this for the American mind just last week that the new president of Panama is threatening to and vowing to close down the Darien gap, which is a good thing.
You want these governments to shut it, shut things down.
You don't want them to demand extortionary costs for it, but you want them to do these things.
It's good for America to not have millions of people coming through.
But if the Panamanian president closes the Darien gap, 800,000 are expected to come through there in 2024.
That also will help the Biden administration, the campaign, bring those numbers down to below the media interest level quite a bit.
But that is definitely something else to watch.
We don't want mass migration here, but what the Biden administration is, their newfound intense interest is not for the American people.
It's for the preservation of power in November.
And after November, you can expect those 13 and 14,000 days again for four more years.
And that's what's at stake here.
Todd Bensman, thank you so much.
Excellent work.
We'll have you on again soon.
Check out his book, Overrun.
Thank you.
Thank you.
We're being extorted by a foreign power.
I hope everyone understands that.
You want to talk about foreign interference in our election?
There is pure extortion from the Mexican government who is calling our shots.
I'll tell you, if Donald Trump becomes president, God willing, and we're working very hard towards that end, he's got to put a tariff on immediately.
Say, oh, nice car factories, nice automobile manufactories.
By the way, we got to bomb these cartel drug manufacturing centers.
Just do it.
A couple F-16s, drop some bombs on these fentanyl production plants.
Just end it.
Get 100 of them one night.
Oh, sorry, Mexico.
What are you going to do about it?
Email, I'd love to see that new commie feminazi they have run in the country.
What is this so bad?
Okay, shut up.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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